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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,688
    So which is the "duck house" item on the list? Got to be the salt & pepper grinders surely?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,688
    Salt and pepper Grindr is a whole different thing, by the way.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    carnforth said:

    So which is the "duck house" item on the list? Got to be the salt & pepper grinders surely?

    Two hairdryers for a bald man?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,668
    Is Putin going nuclear? Telling US and other foreigners to leave Kiev feels ominous
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,688
    geoffw said:

    Is Putin going nuclear? Telling US and other foreigners to leave Kiev feels ominous

    Apparently not:

    "Russia has threatened to launch a fresh wave of "systematic strikes" against Kyiv, days after carrying out one of its largest attacks on the Ukrainian capital since the start of the war.

    The new strikes will target "decision-making centres and command posts", alongside drone manufacturing facilities in the city, Russia's foreign ministry said in a statement.

    Moscow has called for foreign nationals and diplomats to leave Kyiv "as soon as possible" and warned citizens to stay away from administrative and military buildings." BBC
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616

    https://x.com/kiranstacey/status/2058981180377014728

    Rachel Reeves has told ministers they need to start buying British and that she’s “disappointed” they keep giving contracts to foreign companies.

    Bloody right. GO REEVES.
    Um, has no one told her we make nothing here anymore?

    Imagine the savings if Government jettisoned all those unreliable old 100 grand Range Rovers in favour of BYD Seals.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,397

    Hit piece just gone up against Restore Britain in the Times
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2059004747353292946?s=20

    I can't see the article?

    This one, by Mel P, perhaps?

    Lowe’s personal attitude is no less objectionable. On the stump in Makerfield, he confirmed that he had once said he wanted to put illegal immigrants on a “midge-infested island … and let the midges do the rest”.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/cc7683a6-e5e4-4a64-a54a-32bc322fdf0b?shareToken=c8ff0ff551eddd6fad48c77ff8dfb2a

    Thin-skinned, these national populist types.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652

    The twig of peace is at breaking point:

    https://x.com/BBCWorld/status/2058999441940447539

    Netanyahu says Israel will intensify strikes against Hezbollah

    https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/2059007548083106065

    Huge explosions reported in Bandar Abbas Iran in the last moments.

    I guess he thinks he has 48 hours or so to pound the poor place before Trump's shite deal becomes active?
    How was your crossing


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536
    Fishing said:

    Some 16-year-olds who think that most 16-year-olds aren't ready for the vote:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/25/labour-giving-16-year-olds-vote/

    So a random group of teenagers shows more sense than Her Majesty's Government.

    Then again, the government in question is socialist, so maybe 10-year-olds would be a fairer match?

    His Majesty's Government!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,558

    This. 100x this.

    Robert Ford
    @robfordmancs
    ·
    39m
    No there will not be an early election. A man with 400 seats will not risk half of them three years early to satisfy columnists’ belief in mandate fairies.

    https://x.com/robfordmancs/status/2059002169567678884

    I don't think anybody really believes there's a snowball's chance of it. It's mainly just partisan whinging and a way of implying the government is illegitimate and hoping some of that sticks. Certainly no-one who didn't call for a GE when Truss took over can argue there should be one now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608

    https://x.com/jerusalem_post/status/2058940194884083877

    Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman privately told evangelical leader and Trump ally Mike Evans that he was ready to recognize Israel “today,” but that his father, King Salman, remained the obstacle.

    Salman seems to have delegated all running of the country to his favourite son for a decade, it seems surprising that would be the main obstacle, but perhaps MBS has never felt the need to push the very old man before.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536

    Still 27 degrees in my garden.

    WTF!!!

    26.7 in my living room right now.

    However, Mum just called me a snowflake for wanting to turn the fan on.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    Fishing said:

    Some 16-year-olds who think that most 16-year-olds aren't ready for the vote:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/25/labour-giving-16-year-olds-vote/

    So a random group of teenagers shows more sense than Her Majesty's Government.

    Then again, the government in question is socialist, so maybe 10-year-olds would be a fairer match?

    I didn't support votes at 16 when I was 16 and I don't now. But it's a pretty simple change which was promised, so it is what it is.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536

    Hit piece just gone up against Restore Britain in the Times
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2059004747353292946?s=20

    I can't see the article?

    This one, by Mel P, perhaps?

    Lowe’s personal attitude is no less objectionable. On the stump in Makerfield, he confirmed that he had once said he wanted to put illegal immigrants on a “midge-infested island … and let the midges do the rest”.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/cc7683a6-e5e4-4a64-a54a-32bc322fdf0b?shareToken=c8ff0ff551eddd6fad48c77ff8dfb2a

    Thin-skinned, these national populist types.
    Arran?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    carnforth said:

    geoffw said:

    Is Putin going nuclear? Telling US and other foreigners to leave Kiev feels ominous

    Apparently not:

    "Russia has threatened to launch a fresh wave of "systematic strikes" against Kyiv, days after carrying out one of its largest attacks on the Ukrainian capital since the start of the war.

    The new strikes will target "decision-making centres and command posts", alongside drone manufacturing facilities in the city, Russia's foreign ministry said in a statement.

    Moscow has called for foreign nationals and diplomats to leave Kyiv "as soon as possible" and warned citizens to stay away from administrative and military buildings." BBC
    I guess he is trying to escalate as much as he can, escalation being his standard strategy, but there's not all that many steps in terms of escalation from where we are now to the nuclear option, especially since if he could throw a lot more at the war effort he presumably would already.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,998
    Nigelb said:

    I'm astonished.

    Nigel Farage’s Russian hack claim ‘without any merit’, former NCSC chief says
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/25/nigel-farage-russian-hack-claim-disclosure-5m-gift

    Thought, tbf, the words " 's Russian hack claim" in the headline are entirely unnecessary.

    Yet Farage definitely is a Russian hack.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,336
    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288
    I'm getting a hell of a lot of stuff about Lowe on my X 'for you' feed tonight.

    Hmmm...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    All EVs look the same now, no distinctiveness like in the "old" days.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Aren't most of the batteries of Western EVs made in China anyway? Since that is the most vital component they're basically half (or more) chinese already if that is so.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536

    I'm getting a hell of a lot of stuff about Lowe on my X 'for you' feed tonight.

    Hmmm...

    A new Lowe for X?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    All EVs look the same now, no distinctiveness like in the "old" days.
    Same complaint is made against ICE cars.

    The Cybertruck is certainly distinctive, albeit in a bad way.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    (Completely OT) This weekend's R3 'Building a Library', on Brahm's second piano concerto, again picks (as it did around a decade ago) Stephen Kovacevich's 1979 recording.

    My mum bought me the LP for my birthday, way back when, and I played it to death.
    She had (and still has) great taste.

    More evidence that the 80s were peak music ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    carnforth said:

    geoffw said:

    Is Putin going nuclear? Telling US and other foreigners to leave Kiev feels ominous

    Apparently not:

    "Russia has threatened to launch a fresh wave of "systematic strikes" against Kyiv, days after carrying out one of its largest attacks on the Ukrainian capital since the start of the war.

    The new strikes will target "decision-making centres and command posts"...

    Apartment blocks again.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    kle4 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    All EVs look the same now, no distinctiveness like in the "old" days.
    Same complaint is made against ICE cars.

    The Cybertruck is certainly distinctive, albeit in a bad way.
    Distinctly shit.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,570
    kle4 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    All EVs look the same now, no distinctiveness like in the "old" days.
    Same complaint is made against ICE cars.

    The Cybertruck is certainly distinctive, albeit in a bad way.
    I saw several of them out and about in California back in March. Their sharp edges don’t look hugely pedestrian-friendly.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,432
    edited May 25

    The issue is that Reform want to be seen as a serious party. So they really need to be serious about who they choose.

    I could have told them not to choose Goodwin.

    I'm on the record as having found Goodwin fairly unlikeable for a long time. But I don't think he did particularly badly in Gorton and Denton. The Tory and 'Advance UK' vote folded very well into the Reform vote, but the progressive and Muslim vote was too much. A cuddlier Reform candidate might have picked up a few more votes, but I still think would have lost.
    Local elections have proved useful start points for by-election predictions and indeed for quite a lot of GE24, even if prior orthodoxy and analysis spoke to their limited usefulness.

    I did quickly scoosh the G&D local results a couple of weeks ago and concluded that the Greens and Reform were about 3-4 points down on the by-election showing, and Labour only slightly down, though still edged into third overall, whilst Conservatives and others managed a slightly bigger slice.

    That doesn't speak particularly to Goodwin being a personal liability at the by-election (or certainly not moreso than other hypothetical Reform candidates), so I think you have a point on this one.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    MelonB said:

    kle4 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    All EVs look the same now, no distinctiveness like in the "old" days.
    Same complaint is made against ICE cars.

    The Cybertruck is certainly distinctive, albeit in a bad way.
    I saw several of them out and about in California back in March. Their sharp edges don’t look hugely pedestrian-friendly.
    Supposedly SpaceX bought about 20% of all Cybertrucks sold at the end of last year, what fortune for Tesla to find such a willing mass buyer!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,336
    edited May 25
    From motorhome to money clip: Thieving Peter Murrell’s most outrageous purchases
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/25/what-sturgeon-husband-bought-with-snp-donations/

    a Montblanc money clip for £225....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    kle4 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Aren't most of the batteries of Western EVs made in China anyway? Since that is the most vital component they're basically half (or more) chinese already if that is so.
    I remember noting here around a couple of decades back that the majority (by a long way) of materials science research papers were Chinese.

    They are way ahead in battery tech, despite the west inventing it, and despite the west first industrialising production, because they realise that innovation is only a small, though essential part of manufacturing.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,006
    edited May 25

    Still 27 degrees in my garden.

    WTF!!!

    26.7 in my living room right now.

    However, Mum just called me a snowflake for wanting to turn the fan on.
    Snowflake is probably an unfortunate choice of word in that situation.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    From motorhome to money clip: Thieving Peter Murrell’s most outrageous purchases
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/25/what-sturgeon-husband-bought-with-snp-donations/

    a Montblanc money clip for £225....

    So he uses cash?

    Not such a bad egg after all.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,998

    DoctorG said:

    So the camper van was listed as an "asset" in the accounts, valued at just over £80,000. It spent its final days in Dunfermline before being impounded.

    One wonders if Johnston Carmichael, the former auditors hired Zippy, George and Bungle for a spot of auditing during the period in question.

    Joanna Cherry KC (former SNP MP) is illuminating on how the SNP high-ups sought to take down anyone who was concerned about the party's finances. Many of these are still at the top, including Kirsten Oswald, just returned to Holyrood. and given a ministerial job by Swinney.

    https://x.com/joannaccherry/status/2058851132147904796

    Murrell's decision to plead guilty means, of course, that there will not be a trial and he won't be cross-examined. The bodies will remain well and truly buried. He's a bit more loyal to the SNP than he appears.
    It's very hard to see how the Party Treasurer didn't know the money was missing and was unaware the accounts were misstated. And they they knew that, a quick check would tell them Murrell had stolen the money.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    FF43 said:

    DoctorG said:

    So the camper van was listed as an "asset" in the accounts, valued at just over £80,000. It spent its final days in Dunfermline before being impounded.

    One wonders if Johnston Carmichael, the former auditors hired Zippy, George and Bungle for a spot of auditing during the period in question.

    Joanna Cherry KC (former SNP MP) is illuminating on how the SNP high-ups sought to take down anyone who was concerned about the party's finances. Many of these are still at the top, including Kirsten Oswald, just returned to Holyrood. and given a ministerial job by Swinney.

    https://x.com/joannaccherry/status/2058851132147904796

    Murrell's decision to plead guilty means, of course, that there will not be a trial and he won't be cross-examined. The bodies will remain well and truly buried. He's a bit more loyal to the SNP than he appears.
    It's very hard to see how the Party Treasurer didn't know the money was missing and was unaware the accounts were misstated. And they they knew that, a quick check would tell them Murrell had stolen the money.
    The other thing is there surely are not all that many staff and officials for the SNP is there? They are a major party, no question, with a lot of members, but how convoluted could the finances really be for the treasurer for a moderately sized entity? Why was the Chief Exec not the treasurer the only one who knew what was happening with all the various monies?

    Oh well, no charges for Beattie, I guess he was just bad at his job.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,998

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Not a huge car nut, but I don't think I agree. This seems like a genuinely interesting car in engineering and design terms.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,336
    edited May 25
    So the Sturgeon fans on twitter line is because she didn't pass her driving test until in her 50s it means she definitely couldn't have known about any of these dodgy purchases.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Sadly outside the price range of an SNP chief executive.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,133

    Hit piece just gone up against Restore Britain in the Times
    https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/2059004747353292946?s=20

    I can't see the article?

    This one, by Mel P, perhaps?

    Lowe’s personal attitude is no less objectionable. On the stump in Makerfield, he confirmed that he had once said he wanted to put illegal immigrants on a “midge-infested island … and let the midges do the rest”.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/cc7683a6-e5e4-4a64-a54a-32bc322fdf0b?shareToken=c8ff0ff551eddd6fad48c77ff8dfb2a

    Thin-skinned, these national populist types.
    Arran?
    I'd guess at one of the islands in Loch Maree being the midgiest, possibly the one with an island in a loch on an island in a loch.

    We can leave Lowe there for a year, just to test it out.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    FF43 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Not a huge car nut, but I don't think I agree. This seems like a genuinely interesting car in engineering and design terms.
    It's ugly.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,735

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    'Coronated' is just not a proper word and should be banned.

    However, it's not a problem; as Burnham is King of the North he can be crowned.
    It's not a proper way to pick a PM, either, but there you are.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,773
    Driver said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    'Coronated' is just not a proper word and should be banned.

    However, it's not a problem; as Burnham is King of the North he can be crowned.
    It's not a proper way to pick a PM, either, but there you are.
    Check your inbox.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,953
    edited May 25
    The phrase "an accident waiting to happen" is probably going to be used quite a lot in relation to this. Hope everyone recovers fully.

    "Eight spectators taken to hospital after crash at Isle of Man TT
    Incident involving unnamed competitor occurs at exit of Parliament Square before free practice session is suspended"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2026/05/25/eight-spectators-taken-to-hospital-crash-isle-of-man-tt/
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,998
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Not a huge car nut, but I don't think I agree. This seems like a genuinely interesting car in engineering and design terms.
    It's ugly.
    More ugly than other Ferraris? The point of reference for this car will be how it compares with other Ferraris. As far as I can tell it has even more performance, probably handles better. while being more practical and comfortable, achieved through engineering and design.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,336
    (Government VAT holiday) it doesn’t apply to those zoos, heritage organisations, gardens, museums, galleries, historic sites and other attractions which are charities

    https://x.com/bernarddonoghue/status/2058968883424301394?s=20
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Not a huge car nut, but I don't think I agree. This seems like a genuinely interesting car in engineering and design terms.
    It's ugly.
    More ugly than other Ferraris? The point of reference for this car will be how it compares with other Ferraris. As far as I can tell it has even more performance, probably handles better. while being more practical and comfortable, achieved through engineering and design.
    Performance is semi-irrelevant now, since it's way beyond anything most drivers can handle.

    An ugly Ferrari, though, is pointless.
    It's not even ugly in a good way.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,327

    When I saw the plumber, not a family man, and also not terrible looking and with quite a plausible expression to him that probably makes female customers think 'I can tame him', it crossed my mind that he was probably a massive shagger and that it could be an issue. Let's hope comments about Carol Vorderman's southern hemisphere are as bad as it gets.

    Oh it gets worse. Here's some of what's already on wiki:

    "Kenyon has described abortion as a "cowardly act of murdering a defenceless baby" and claimed that women make false rape accusations to access abortions.[24][25][26]

    Kenyon was among several Reform UK politicians identified as being Facebook friends with an account belonging to Gary Raikes, a British fascist politician, in June 2024. Previously the leader of the British National Party in Scotland, Raikes founded and leads the New British Union, a neo-fascist group claiming to be a revival of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists that advocates for overthrowing parliamentary democracy via a "fascist revolution"..... Searchlight, which originally found Kenyon was Facebook friends with Raikes in 2024,[32][29] reported he was also friends on the same platform with Alex Eversfield, a neo-Nazi, and Robert Baggs, a leading member of the neo-fascist Homeland Party.[33]

    Posts from Kenyon's Twitter account during the 2024 general election campaign focused heavily on immigration and later included commentary linking local crime, the UK's asylum policy, and the Southport murders to broader claims about immigration and policing. In the aftermath of the murders, he also interacted with and amplified posts from several far-right and alt-right commentators, such as Carl Benjamin and Eva Vlaardingerbroek.[9][34] Kenyon has also used Twitter to voice scepticism over the efficacy of a vaccine in reply to an NHS-run account and express support for Donald Trump.[9][34][35] Kenyon was banned from Twitter for breaking the platform's rules.[10][35][30] His posts on a second Twitter account included comments including voicing COVID-19 conspiracy theories, sexist and sexually explicit comments about women, including Carol Vorderman and women's rugby players, and violent and homophobic messages."
    Some of those things are bad, but some are trumped up bilge.

    'Facebook friends' doesn't indicate active participation in or even knowledge of their political campaigns, and if there were such information, it would be in this resume. I haven't got a clue what most of my Facebook friends are up to.

    This - "[posts] focused heavily on immigration and later included commentary linking local crime, the UK's asylum policy, and the Southport murders to broader claims about immigration and policing." - are these things not linked to immigration and policing? That's a fairly bizarre 'allegation'.

    And I question the validity of any source that lists using Twitter to 'express support for Donald Trump' as automatically some sort of crime.

    Whoever wrote the above is pretty far down their own rabbit hole I would suggest.

    Nevertheless, he is a bit of a messy candidate to be sure.
    "Messy candidate"? Yeah, right.

    First Goodwin, then this guy. Both seriously weird, and the very best Reform can find to contest massive by-elections.

    The sad fact is that Reform have, basically, attracted a whole army of opportunists and wingnuts who, hitherto, would never have found a berth in a serious political party. But things have decayed to the point that there is, apparently, a not inconsiderable chance that they could end up in Govt. We have seen this in the USA - which is how lowlifes and nutcases like Lutnick, Witkoff and RFK are running the administration. We need to wake up.
    Not 'the very best' that Reform could find in this case - the very best most local that they could find.

    Anyway. We now know a lot (hopefully everything) about the plumber. None of it is remotely enough to finish him, so let's see how he deals with it.
    You just try to bat it all away by describng him as "messy" and bang on about him being a "plumber" as if that's all there is. Just as Farage and Reform try to bat it all away, taking yet another leaf out of Trump's playbook. So it may not be enough to finish Kenyon, but only because he's the candidate for Reform. He'd have been long out of the door had he been the candidate of any other political party.

    There is more than enough there to show that he is clearly an utterly vile person at an individual level and far right extremist to boot. And I think that when all this comes out properly, such that 77,000 people in Makerfield are all made aware of it which they will be, I think that enough of them will show that they have better standards than to elect a Reform candidate who's been caught messing around in the political sewer.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,735

    Driver said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    'Coronated' is just not a proper word and should be banned.

    However, it's not a problem; as Burnham is King of the North he can be crowned.
    It's not a proper way to pick a PM, either, but there you are.
    Check your inbox.
    Replied. The mobile site doesn't show that I have a message...!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    One reason I'm slightly sceptical about big tech is that they have proved utterly clueless in their choice of politician to buy and groom for the top job..

    VANCE CONSIDERS ABANDONING 2028 PRESIDENTIAL RUN, SOURCES SAY
    https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/2058998898794877215
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,735
    Nigelb said:

    One reason I'm slightly sceptical about big tech is that they have proved utterly clueless in their choice of politician to buy and groom for the top job..

    VANCE CONSIDERS ABANDONING 2028 PRESIDENTIAL RUN, SOURCES SAY
    https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/2058998898794877215

    Surely Vance is just VP to make sure people have second thoughts about removing Trump (one way or another).
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    Andy_JS said:

    The phrase "an accident waiting to happen" is probably going to be used quite a lot in relation to this. Hope everyone recovers fully.

    "Eight spectators taken to hospital after crash at Isle of Man TT
    Incident involving unnamed competitor occurs at exit of Parliament Square before free practice session is suspended"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2026/05/25/eight-spectators-taken-to-hospital-crash-isle-of-man-tt/

    TT is one of those sports where you are around as likely to be involved in an accident as a spectator as you are a driver
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,126
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Not a huge car nut, but I don't think I agree. This seems like a genuinely interesting car in engineering and design terms.
    It's ugly.
    I don't drive - it just looks like a regular car to me. But I think of a nice looking car through the window of old films - so a 1930s Bentley looks nice to me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    Who knew Don Jnr would prove such an exceptional businessman ?

    1789 Capital, which counts Donald Trump Jr. as a partner, told the FT that its assets under management had jumped from $200 million to $3.5 billion over the past year as the firm has benefited from political connections.
    https://x.com/CREWcrew/status/2058382636272214179
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,126
    kle4 said:

    carnforth said:

    geoffw said:

    Is Putin going nuclear? Telling US and other foreigners to leave Kiev feels ominous

    Apparently not:

    "Russia has threatened to launch a fresh wave of "systematic strikes" against Kyiv, days after carrying out one of its largest attacks on the Ukrainian capital since the start of the war.

    The new strikes will target "decision-making centres and command posts", alongside drone manufacturing facilities in the city, Russia's foreign ministry said in a statement.

    Moscow has called for foreign nationals and diplomats to leave Kyiv "as soon as possible" and warned citizens to stay away from administrative and military buildings." BBC
    I guess he is trying to escalate as much as he can, escalation being his standard strategy, but there's not all that many steps in terms of escalation from where we are now to the nuclear option, especially since if he could throw a lot more at the war effort he presumably would already.
    Maybe the remake of "Threads" is more timely than I gave it credit for.

    Woo.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,213
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Not a huge car nut, but I don't think I agree. This seems like a genuinely interesting car in engineering and design terms.
    It's ugly.
    I don't drive - it just looks like a regular car to me. But I think of a nice looking car through the window of old films - so a 1930s Bentley looks nice to me.
    Nigelb said:

    One reason I'm slightly sceptical about big tech is that they have proved utterly clueless in their choice of politician to buy and groom for the top job..

    VANCE CONSIDERS ABANDONING 2028 PRESIDENTIAL RUN, SOURCES SAY
    https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/2058998898794877215

    There must be a fair chance Trump does not make it to 2028 in which case Vance will already be President. Hardly a day goes by without fresh speculation as to Trump's mental and physical health.

    OK. Just a quick look round finds this, for example:-

    Trump returns to hospital for THIRD time in 13 months as ex-White House doctors sound alarm
    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15846709/Trump-fresh-health-storm-returns-hospital-time-13-months-Mental-sharpness-scores-collapse.html
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,213
    edited May 25
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Not a huge car nut, but I don't think I agree. This seems like a genuinely interesting car in engineering and design terms.
    It's ugly.
    More ugly than other Ferraris? The point of reference for this car will be how it compares with other Ferraris. As far as I can tell it has even more performance, probably handles better. while being more practical and comfortable, achieved through engineering and design.
    Performance is semi-irrelevant now, since it's way beyond anything most drivers can handle.

    An ugly Ferrari, though, is pointless.
    It's not even ugly in a good way.
    The EV Ferrari is the wrong colour, not red. It's yellow with black curves make it look like a banana from the side.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,953
    "Home Office figures show 921 people arrived in Dover in past three days after crossing Channel"

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/more-than-900-cross-channel-over-bank-holiday-weekend-340728/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,336
    edited May 25
    Andy_JS said:

    "Home Office figures show 921 people arrived in Dover in past three days after crossing Channel"

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/more-than-900-cross-channel-over-bank-holiday-weekend-340728/

    The numbers who have arrived this year is now ~9000. Its down on previous 2 years at the same stage of the year, but up on the 2 years before that. Now, of course we had terrible weather for the first 3 months of the year.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,837
    stjohn said:

    I just spent a totally unnecessary £33.90 on a taxi just to avoid a Rail Replacement Bus service.

    That's how much I hate them.

    What were you thinking! It’s an adventure!

    Take the National Express when your life's in a mess
    It'll make you smile
    All human life is here
    From the feeble old dear to the screaming child
    From the student who knows that to have one of those
    Would be suicide
    To the family man
    Manhandling the pram with paternal pride
    And everybody sings, "Ba-ba-ba-da"
    We're going where the air is free
    On the National Express there's a jolly hostess
    Selling crisps and tea
    She'll provide you with drinks and theatrical winks
    For a sky-high fee
    Mini-skirts were in style when she danced down the aisle
    Back in '63 (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
    But it's hard to get by when your arse is the size
    Of a small country
    And everybody sings, "Ba-ba-ba-da"
    We're going where the air is free
    Tomorrow belongs to me
    When you're sad and feeling blue
    With nothing better to do
    Don't just sit there feeling stressed
    Take a trip on the National Express
    On the National Express, let's go
    Divine Comedy?
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 2,013
    rcs1000 said:

    stjohn said:

    I just spent a totally unnecessary £33.90 on a taxi just to avoid a Rail Replacement Bus service.

    That's how much I hate them.

    What were you thinking! It’s an adventure!

    Take the National Express when your life's in a mess
    It'll make you smile
    All human life is here
    From the feeble old dear to the screaming child
    From the student who knows that to have one of those
    Would be suicide
    To the family man
    Manhandling the pram with paternal pride
    And everybody sings, "Ba-ba-ba-da"
    We're going where the air is free
    On the National Express there's a jolly hostess
    Selling crisps and tea
    She'll provide you with drinks and theatrical winks
    For a sky-high fee
    Mini-skirts were in style when she danced down the aisle
    Back in '63 (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
    But it's hard to get by when your arse is the size
    Of a small country
    And everybody sings, "Ba-ba-ba-da"
    We're going where the air is free
    Tomorrow belongs to me
    When you're sad and feeling blue
    With nothing better to do
    Don't just sit there feeling stressed
    Take a trip on the National Express
    On the National Express, let's go
    Divine Comedy?
    Yes. Brilliant lyrics. 😀
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,953
    "Social media is the new smoking, medical leaders say

    Children are being continuously exposed to ‘hateful, addictive and grossly distressing content’, warns a study by the medical profession’s biggest voice" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/social-media/article/social-media-the-new-smoking-hlfrrk83q
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,953
    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,336
    edited May 26
    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    They do realise this will just give a Reform government loads of cover to go for an even more politicised civil service like in the US.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 2,013
    From the BBC website.

    US military says it has launched new strikes on southern Iran

    How can anyone sensible think this war is over?
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,027
    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    If they do this, it's a gift to Farage.

    It will confirms what most of his supporters have long suspected, that the civil service is institutionally soft left, and has worked to frustrate that aims of right leaning governments for many years.

    The massive opportunity it gives him is that it provides cover to bring forward a very short bill allowing the government to sack striking employees, and then sack them all (CF Regan and the air traffic controllers).

    They will need sacking as anyone contemplating this sort of action is by very definition not suitable to be an impartial civil servant. It will also rid out almost all his civil service opponents in one go, which will make getting the remaining civil service to do his bidding much easier. And as a final bonus, the civil service needs halving in size anyway, and this will save the government a fortune in redundancy payments.

    It might also have a salutory effect to "pour encourager les autres" with regard to any other statutory bodies or the like who fancy trying to put a spanner in his works.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,336
    The boss of Next has warned there has been a "dramatic fall" in the number of entry-level job opportunities in the UK.

    Lord Wolfson told the BBC that just two years ago, Next typically received 10 applicants for every job in its shops, but that number had since risen to 19. "That doubling of applicants for shop jobs is indicative of just how big the crisis is in youth unemployment at the moment," he said. He also said a ban on zero-hours contracts from next year would make hiring more difficult.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2024r6lzyro
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,645

    IanB2 said:

    Obviously not.

    The country can’t afford a summer of introspection and Labour infighting. And no-one is going to ‘lend’ Burgon their vote to broaden the debate, like Beckett idiotically did for Corbyn. If Burnham wins the by-election convincingly, it’s in Labour’s and our national interest to get him into number ten swiftly so he can crack on with the job. Even ambitious young Wes realises that and will be taking his grandmother down from eBay and grovelling to secure himself a ticket back to the cabinet table.

    Wes is EBaying his grandmother?

    Shocking!

    As I explained before, selling your grandparents would incur massive capital gains liabilities.

    You need to create Collateralised Elderly Relative Obligations (CERO), with physical delivery in a third party jurisdiction incurring no CGT. Then you trade them on an OTC market you step up.
    Surely as a wasting asset with a lifespan of less than 50 years they would be CGT free unless you are pimping them out to Wayne Rooney?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,645
    kle4 said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    He will be elected unopposed. It won’t even make it to the members. Starmer won’t stand against him.
    I would hope otherwise, as I think the very process of testing things out is useful, but I think you are right.

    Burnham (assuming he is elected) will arrive as the great saviour, making the MPs feel good that he can turn things around. Starmer will be told 200 MPs are already signed up to Andy, with more to follow, and he'll say he will stand down once a new leader is in place. At which point the Left say they will give Andy a shot, and Wes says please give me a job Andy.
    And 3 months later everyone realises that Andy is a hollow mouthpiece with no original thoughts or plans.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,213
    theProle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    If they do this, it's a gift to Farage.

    It will confirms what most of his supporters have long suspected, that the civil service is institutionally soft left, and has worked to frustrate that aims of right leaning governments for many years.

    The massive opportunity it gives him is that it provides cover to bring forward a very short bill allowing the government to sack striking employees, and then sack them all (CF Regan and the air traffic controllers).

    They will need sacking as anyone contemplating this sort of action is by very definition not suitable to be an impartial civil servant. It will also rid out almost all his civil service opponents in one go, which will make getting the remaining civil service to do his bidding much easier. And as a final bonus, the civil service needs halving in size anyway, and this will save the government a fortune in redundancy payments.

    It might also have a salutory effect to "pour encourager les autres" with regard to any other statutory bodies or the like who fancy trying to put a spanner in his works.
    Aiui the PCS does not represent the Sir Humphrey layer of civil servant, whose independence has already been undermined by SpAds and, since the Cameron government, by the Prime Minister deciding their appointment (as we have recently seen with Keir Starmer throwing various of them under the bus),
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,681
    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    Insomnia seems to suggest that's close to plotting a couple.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,681
    AnneJGP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    Insomnia seems to suggest that's close to plotting a couple.
    A coup, is how that started out.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616
    edited May 26
    Burnham hasn't got this.

    https://youtu.be/nwTjPhZAeIU?si=5vr9UbcJ2uhbcaaG

    Immigration, immigration, immigration.

    These old chaps are going to get a shock when Nigel uses the US insurance model to fund healthcare.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,213

    Burnham hasn't got this.

    https://youtu.be/nwTjPhZAeIU?si=5vr9UbcJ2uhbcaaG

    Immigration, immigration, immigration.

    These old chaps are going to get a shock when Nigel uses the US insurance model to fund healthcare.

    Death of the high street, no jobs, no council houses. Only one man on camera said immigration although the presenter did say it was raised more often.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533
    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    Hardly surprising. Reform plans massive job losses and changes to terms and conditions.

    It isn't political to strike in such circumstances, it is a perfectly normal workplace industrial action. Here is Danny Kruger on Reform's plans.

    https://preparingforgovernment.com/fixing-the-centre
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533

    Burnham hasn't got this.

    https://youtu.be/nwTjPhZAeIU?si=5vr9UbcJ2uhbcaaG

    Immigration, immigration, immigration.

    These old chaps are going to get a shock when Nigel uses the US insurance model to fund healthcare.

    Death of the high street, no jobs, no council houses. Only one man on camera said immigration although the presenter did say it was raised more often.
    So what exactly are Reforms plans to revive the High Street, create jobs and build council houses? and how do they plan to fund this?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,571
    edited May 26
    Maybe there is a God after all

    Back in 1998 on my first work visit to New York two work colleagues took me to Madison Square Garden to see the Basketball.

    I had no expectation that night but a love affair with the New York Knicks was kindle. Not unlike my Football love affair with Birmingham City many dark days emerged year after year, a few bright days, the love deepens through adversity and disappointment.

    After nearly 30 years and at least one trip each season to take in a game or two, the past few years have seen a dream become a reality.

    The Nicks got better and better and better

    Finally a win of the Eastern Championship, based on 11 successive victories, a few amazing comebacks, a white washing the Eastern Division 4 to 0 in semi finals and final, watching a short assed midget, by basketball standards at just over 6 feet tall, Jalen Brunson, mesmerising night after night.

    My dreams nearly fulfilled late in life, only the Western Champions to beat now for the first ticker tape New York day in decades.

    Sat watching the sun rise over Brixham the birds starting to chirp, tears streaming down my face. Any sports fan of an underdog will get it.

    But but but this is beyond special for me, as I look up to heaven and share the moment with those two mates...

    Mark and Robin tragically taken from us on 11 September 2001 in Tower 2, this is for you... Thank You for that first night at MSG... This is truly special for us all

    Go Knicks...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,937

    kle4 said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    He will be elected unopposed. It won’t even make it to the members. Starmer won’t stand against him.
    I would hope otherwise, as I think the very process of testing things out is useful, but I think you are right.

    Burnham (assuming he is elected) will arrive as the great saviour, making the MPs feel good that he can turn things around. Starmer will be told 200 MPs are already signed up to Andy, with more to follow, and he'll say he will stand down once a new leader is in place. At which point the Left say they will give Andy a shot, and Wes says please give me a job Andy.
    And 3 months later everyone realises that Andy is a hollow mouthpiece with no original thoughts or plans.
    Shhh - no spoilers!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533
    It isn't just migrants being deported that has caused Americas migration figures to flip. More Americans are leaving than ever before.

    In this survey 61% of Americans earning over $200 000 are looking at getting out, more or less 50/50 in terms of politics.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2026/05/22/rich-americans-collect-citizenships-uncertain-times/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_medium=social&utm_source=bluesky

    Coming here soon too, no doubt, with the prospect of our own Trump in number 10.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,807

    When I saw the plumber, not a family man, and also not terrible looking and with quite a plausible expression to him that probably makes female customers think 'I can tame him', it crossed my mind that he was probably a massive shagger and that it could be an issue. Let's hope comments about Carol Vorderman's southern hemisphere are as bad as it gets.

    Oh it gets worse. Here's some of what's already on wiki:

    "Kenyon has described abortion as a "cowardly act of murdering a defenceless baby" and claimed that women make false rape accusations to access abortions.[24][25][26]

    Kenyon was among several Reform UK politicians identified as being Facebook friends with an account belonging to Gary Raikes, a British fascist politician, in June 2024. Previously the leader of the British National Party in Scotland, Raikes founded and leads the New British Union, a neo-fascist group claiming to be a revival of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists that advocates for overthrowing parliamentary democracy via a "fascist revolution"..... Searchlight, which originally found Kenyon was Facebook friends with Raikes in 2024,[32][29] reported he was also friends on the same platform with Alex Eversfield, a neo-Nazi, and Robert Baggs, a leading member of the neo-fascist Homeland Party.[33]

    Posts from Kenyon's Twitter account during the 2024 general election campaign focused heavily on immigration and later included commentary linking local crime, the UK's asylum policy, and the Southport murders to broader claims about immigration and policing. In the aftermath of the murders, he also interacted with and amplified posts from several far-right and alt-right commentators, such as Carl Benjamin and Eva Vlaardingerbroek.[9][34] Kenyon has also used Twitter to voice scepticism over the efficacy of a vaccine in reply to an NHS-run account and express support for Donald Trump.[9][34][35] Kenyon was banned from Twitter for breaking the platform's rules.[10][35][30] His posts on a second Twitter account included comments including voicing COVID-19 conspiracy theories, sexist and sexually explicit comments about women, including Carol Vorderman and women's rugby players, and violent and homophobic messages."
    He’s starting to remind me of someone, but I can’t place the name…
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,213
    Foxy said:

    Burnham hasn't got this.

    https://youtu.be/nwTjPhZAeIU?si=5vr9UbcJ2uhbcaaG

    Immigration, immigration, immigration.

    These old chaps are going to get a shock when Nigel uses the US insurance model to fund healthcare.

    Death of the high street, no jobs, no council houses. Only one man on camera said immigration although the presenter did say it was raised more often.
    So what exactly are Reforms plans to revive the High Street, create jobs and build council houses? and how do they plan to fund this?
    I've absolutely no idea. Reform is NOTA. Labour's not helped; Conservatives haven't helped; try this new lot.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,807

    Still 27 degrees in my garden.

    WTF!!!

    Met Office says, provisionally, the highest May nighttime minimum on record
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,645
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/jerusalem_post/status/2058940194884083877

    Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman privately told evangelical leader and Trump ally Mike Evans that he was ready to recognize Israel “today,” but that his father, King Salman, remained the obstacle.

    Salman seems to have delegated all running of the country to his favourite son for a decade, it seems surprising that would be the main obstacle, but perhaps MBS has never felt the need to push the very old man before.
    More likely it’s a convenient excuse
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,045
    edited May 26
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Ferrari's first EV, the 2027 Ferrari Luce,
    https://x.com/CARandDRIVER/status/2059004096288338278?s=20

    They appear to have stolen the design of one of the crappier Chinese EVs.

    Not a huge car nut, but I don't think I agree. This seems like a genuinely interesting car in engineering and design terms.
    It's ugly.
    It's surely the kind of thing that your normal Ferrari-buying gullible will look at as they get older and fatter.

    An Italian cybertruck?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    rcs1000 said:

    stjohn said:

    I just spent a totally unnecessary £33.90 on a taxi just to avoid a Rail Replacement Bus service.

    That's how much I hate them.

    What were you thinking! It’s an adventure!

    Take the National Express when your life's in a mess
    It'll make you smile
    All human life is here
    From the feeble old dear to the screaming child
    From the student who knows that to have one of those
    Would be suicide
    To the family man
    Manhandling the pram with paternal pride
    And everybody sings, "Ba-ba-ba-da"
    We're going where the air is free
    On the National Express there's a jolly hostess
    Selling crisps and tea
    She'll provide you with drinks and theatrical winks
    For a sky-high fee
    Mini-skirts were in style when she danced down the aisle
    Back in '63 (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
    But it's hard to get by when your arse is the size
    Of a small country
    And everybody sings, "Ba-ba-ba-da"
    We're going where the air is free
    Tomorrow belongs to me
    When you're sad and feeling blue
    With nothing better to do
    Don't just sit there feeling stressed
    Take a trip on the National Express
    On the National Express, let's go
    Divine Comedy?
    The Odysssey, I think.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,571
    IanB2 said:

    When I saw the plumber, not a family man, and also not terrible looking and with quite a plausible expression to him that probably makes female customers think 'I can tame him', it crossed my mind that he was probably a massive shagger and that it could be an issue. Let's hope comments about Carol Vorderman's southern hemisphere are as bad as it gets.

    Oh it gets worse. Here's some of what's already on wiki:

    "Kenyon has described abortion as a "cowardly act of murdering a defenceless baby" and claimed that women make false rape accusations to access abortions.[24][25][26]

    Kenyon was among several Reform UK politicians identified as being Facebook friends with an account belonging to Gary Raikes, a British fascist politician, in June 2024. Previously the leader of the British National Party in Scotland, Raikes founded and leads the New British Union, a neo-fascist group claiming to be a revival of Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists that advocates for overthrowing parliamentary democracy via a "fascist revolution"..... Searchlight, which originally found Kenyon was Facebook friends with Raikes in 2024,[32][29] reported he was also friends on the same platform with Alex Eversfield, a neo-Nazi, and Robert Baggs, a leading member of the neo-fascist Homeland Party.[33]

    Posts from Kenyon's Twitter account during the 2024 general election campaign focused heavily on immigration and later included commentary linking local crime, the UK's asylum policy, and the Southport murders to broader claims about immigration and policing. In the aftermath of the murders, he also interacted with and amplified posts from several far-right and alt-right commentators, such as Carl Benjamin and Eva Vlaardingerbroek.[9][34] Kenyon has also used Twitter to voice scepticism over the efficacy of a vaccine in reply to an NHS-run account and express support for Donald Trump.[9][34][35] Kenyon was banned from Twitter for breaking the platform's rules.[10][35][30] His posts on a second Twitter account included comments including voicing COVID-19 conspiracy theories, sexist and sexually explicit comments about women, including Carol Vorderman and women's rugby players, and violent and homophobic messages."
    He’s starting to remind me of someone, but I can’t place the name…
    Looks like typically bizarre Reform Candidate Vetting...or are they trying to make a point that the eloctorate will vote for anyone they put up?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195

    The boss of Next has warned there has been a "dramatic fall" in the number of entry-level job opportunities in the UK.

    Lord Wolfson told the BBC that just two years ago, Next typically received 10 applicants for every job in its shops, but that number had since risen to 19. "That doubling of applicants for shop jobs is indicative of just how big the crisis is in youth unemployment at the moment," he said. He also said a ban on zero-hours contracts from next year would make hiring more difficult.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2024r6lzyro

    Whilst I don't doubt what he says, how many of that rise in applications is driven by AI?

    I hear pretty universally now that this has ballooned job applications as it's significantly lowered the barriers to submission.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195
    theProle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    If they do this, it's a gift to Farage.

    It will confirms what most of his supporters have long suspected, that the civil service is institutionally soft left, and has worked to frustrate that aims of right leaning governments for many years.

    The massive opportunity it gives him is that it provides cover to bring forward a very short bill allowing the government to sack striking employees, and then sack them all (CF Regan and the air traffic controllers).

    They will need sacking as anyone contemplating this sort of action is by very definition not suitable to be an impartial civil servant. It will also rid out almost all his civil service opponents in one go, which will make getting the remaining civil service to do his bidding much easier. And as a final bonus, the civil service needs halving in size anyway, and this will save the government a fortune in redundancy payments.

    It might also have a salutory effect to "pour encourager les autres" with regard to any other statutory bodies or the like who fancy trying to put a spanner in his works.
    Yes, they are playing into his hands.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    theProle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    If they do this, it's a gift to Farage.

    It will confirms what most of his supporters have long suspected, that the civil service is institutionally soft left, and has worked to frustrate that aims of right leaning governments for many years.

    The massive opportunity it gives him is that it provides cover to bring forward a very short bill allowing the government to sack striking employees, and then sack them all (CF Regan and the air traffic controllers).

    They will need sacking as anyone contemplating this sort of action is by very definition not suitable to be an impartial civil servant. It will also rid out almost all his civil service opponents in one go, which will make getting the remaining civil service to do his bidding much easier. And as a final bonus, the civil service needs halving in size anyway, and this will save the government a fortune in redundancy payments.

    It might also have a salutory effect to "pour encourager les autres" with regard to any other statutory bodies or the like who fancy trying to put a spanner in his works.
    Well that's straight up nonsense.
    Are you saying civil servants have no right to take industrial action in the face of their employer seeking mass redundancies ?

    While you might be right that such action turns out to be counterproductive, I don't see how it can fairly be described as a breach of impartiality.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699

    I'm getting a hell of a lot of stuff about Lowe on my X 'for you' feed tonight.

    Hmmm...

    X promotes Restore Britain, a massive subsidy in effect that sidesteps rules about political donations.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699
    Nigelb said:

    Who knew Don Jnr would prove such an exceptional businessman ?

    1789 Capital, which counts Donald Trump Jr. as a partner, told the FT that its assets under management had jumped from $200 million to $3.5 billion over the past year as the firm has benefited from political connections.
    https://x.com/CREWcrew/status/2058382636272214179

    Billions. Makes Peter Murrell’s fraud look trivial in comparison.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,213

    The boss of Next has warned there has been a "dramatic fall" in the number of entry-level job opportunities in the UK.

    Lord Wolfson told the BBC that just two years ago, Next typically received 10 applicants for every job in its shops, but that number had since risen to 19. "That doubling of applicants for shop jobs is indicative of just how big the crisis is in youth unemployment at the moment," he said. He also said a ban on zero-hours contracts from next year would make hiring more difficult.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2024r6lzyro

    Whilst I don't doubt what he says, how many of that rise in applications is driven by AI?

    I hear pretty universally now that this has ballooned job applications as it's significantly lowered the barriers to submission.
    We know job vacancies are down and unemployment is up. The rest is just fluff. There could be an AI component, or pressure from JobCentres, or from the cost of living crisis. It doesn't really affect the fundamentals.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,196
    If the PCS really wanted to screw over a Fukker government, they should order all civil servants to work as hard and diligently as they could for it.

    Most of them would epically screw up and the policy would either never happen or have the exact opposite effect of what was intended.

    And the competent ones would implement policies that would just backfire spectacularly or be a mess anyway because the Fukkers are madder than Lettuce Lady.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,336
    When Nicola Sturgeon visited a jeweller's shop in Shetland in 2019, her husband told its owner he was "the man with the money". At the time Peter Murrell was the chief executive of the SNP, while his wife was party leader and Scotland's first minister. During the trip to Shetland Jewellery as part of a by-election campaign, he bought her a 9ct gold pendant depicting the Northern Lights. Seven years later that necklace is one of hundreds of items Murrell has admitted purchasing using cash he embezzled from the SNP.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5pp2pee7go
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699
    ydoethur said:

    If the PCS really wanted to screw over a Fukker government, they should order all civil servants to work as hard and diligently as they could for it.

    Most of them would epically screw up and the policy would either never happen or have the exact opposite effect of what was intended.

    And the competent ones would implement policies that would just backfire spectacularly or be a mess anyway because the Fukkers are madder than Lettuce Lady.

    The PCS primarily represents administrative, operational, and technical grades. So, the people doing day-to-day jobs in HMRC, Border Force, DWP etc. They are not the people implementing government policy. The people you’re thinking of are in the FDA.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699
    US abortion bans lead to a 9% increase in pregnancy-associated deaths

    https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2026.308465
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,196

    ydoethur said:

    If the PCS really wanted to screw over a Fukker government, they should order all civil servants to work as hard and diligently as they could for it.

    Most of them would epically screw up and the policy would either never happen or have the exact opposite effect of what was intended.

    And the competent ones would implement policies that would just backfire spectacularly or be a mess anyway because the Fukkers are madder than Lettuce Lady.

    The PCS primarily represents administrative, operational, and technical grades. So, the people doing day-to-day jobs in HMRC, Border Force, DWP etc. They are not the people implementing government policy. The people you’re thinking of are in the FDA.
    Having been a civil servant I know what the grades are, thanks.

    And I stand by my statement. You might be surprised at how many truly incredibly stupid and incompetent people there are in the lower grades and how many screw ups happen there. My personal favourite was the one who accidentally taxed a government facility at ten times the correct rate for five years, and nobody noticed.

    The FDA members are a different matter and will just screw things up all the time anyway because they are so arrogant.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    Burnham hasn't got this.

    https://youtu.be/nwTjPhZAeIU?si=5vr9UbcJ2uhbcaaG

    Immigration, immigration, immigration.

    These old chaps are going to get a shock when Nigel uses the US insurance model to fund healthcare.

    Well we know immigration is the biggest issue in Makerfield, hence Reform and Restore combined are polling more than Burnham.

    Fortunately for Burnham Lowe so despises Farage he is going all out with the Restore campaign in the by election so that Burnham still leads Reform narrowly entirely due to the split on the nationalist right
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    Nigelb said:

    One reason I'm slightly sceptical about big tech is that they have proved utterly clueless in their choice of politician to buy and groom for the top job..

    VANCE CONSIDERS ABANDONING 2028 PRESIDENTIAL RUN, SOURCES SAY
    https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/2058998898794877215

    Strange then that he flew to Iowa only this month

    https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/2026/05/25/vance-stakes-claim-for-republican-nomination-but-midterms-may-decide-who-is-trumps-heir-apparent/
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Nigelb said:

    theProle said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "On one level it’s not exactly surprising. The idea that large parts of the civil service would treat a Farage government with horror and seek to frustrate it is what many of Reform UK’s supporters have long suspected. But the sheer brazenness with which the Blob has now declared its hand is shocking and appalling in equal measure.

    Civil servants’ largest trade union, PCS, has been debating a motion to ‘counter a hostile Reform government’ with ‘sustained industrial action’. If the motion is approved, the union’s ruling NEC would draw up a resistance strategy by the end of the year. In other words, they are considering going on strike if Farage wins the next election."

    https://spectator.com/article/the-blob-is-already-getting-ready-to-take-down-reform/

    If they do this, it's a gift to Farage.

    It will confirms what most of his supporters have long suspected, that the civil service is institutionally soft left, and has worked to frustrate that aims of right leaning governments for many years.

    The massive opportunity it gives him is that it provides cover to bring forward a very short bill allowing the government to sack striking employees, and then sack them all (CF Regan and the air traffic controllers).

    They will need sacking as anyone contemplating this sort of action is by very definition not suitable to be an impartial civil servant. It will also rid out almost all his civil service opponents in one go, which will make getting the remaining civil service to do his bidding much easier. And as a final bonus, the civil service needs halving in size anyway, and this will save the government a fortune in redundancy payments.

    It might also have a salutory effect to "pour encourager les autres" with regard to any other statutory bodies or the like who fancy trying to put a spanner in his works.
    Well that's straight up nonsense.
    Are you saying civil servants have no right to take industrial action in the face of their employer seeking mass redundancies ?

    While you might be right that such action turns out to be counterproductive, I don't see how it can fairly be described as a breach of impartiality.

    But in this case it’s strike action simply because they don’t like the govt that has been elected.

    They don’t even know what the policy platform is at the moment.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,114
    Good morning, everyone.

    Already sweltering. Hoping things can cool down rather a lot on Wednesday.
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