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  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    Foxy said:

    Say hello to Chris Kennedy - Safeguarding Nurse, battle-tested Green Campaigner, Passionate Grassroots Visionary and your Green Party candidate for Makerfield 💚

    https://bsky.app/profile/greenparty.org.uk/post/3mmduytlnl42g

    I thought for a minute you were pointing out one the surprisingly large number of Green defenestrated Councillors since May 7th. It is 9-10, which is running higher as a percentage than known Ref UK defenestrati, which is a little under 20. Greens have a number in ineligible jobs, so there is a lot of inexperience in addition to past social media.

    But it's the Maker candidate.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,556
    Roger said:

    .........and for Trump it's just one Hell of a lot worse. Unprecedented poll numbers for Sandpit's favourite politician....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeRtf1walXw

    That video is nothing about Kemi.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,556

    Sandpit said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    The other issue is the emigration. It’s in the tens of thousands of Brits, but they’re almost all higher-rate taxpayers heading for US, Commonwealth, Mid East…
    Long term emigration of British nationals is down on the new figures: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingdecember2025
    When it comes to emigration, it’s not the numbers as much as who they are.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    Everyone is running down their inventories and strategic reserves in the hope that the Strait of Hormuz is open again before those run out.

    On food I haven't seen the statistics on planting this spring, but when you see stories like India telling its farmers to halves their fertiliser use it seems obvious that there is a large problem incoming.

    One of the issues with food is that there's a large lag between when a problem in the future becomes inevitable (because not enough crops have been planted or fertiliser used), and when that problem becomes obvious (when there's actually a food deficit following the harvest), and also in rectifying the problem (by growing more food again with restored supplies of fertiliser).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    nico67 said:

    Deleted .

    Its what you do in opposition. Its like blaming the last government when you take over. Neither is totally fair but thats the game.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,214
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Yesterday at the GP the NHS National Data Opt-Out service was prominently featured in the rolling screen display. This allows us to opt out of our medical records being shared for research, and came in 2018, following on I assume from the various campaigns and conspiracy theories that were being made about privatisation around 2014-2016.

    It's not something I have been opposed to ideologically, as more data leads to better research and is a GOOD THING (using Sellars & Yeatman categories). But we are now seeing Palantir developing a role, and the USA has law in place ("Cloud Act" 2018) which allows the Govt to instruct US companies to give them all data stored in the cloud, even if in foreign countries. The UK Govt restrictions against that are only contractual afaics.

    I am having second thoughts, even though it undermines a common good. I do not trust the USA, and do not wish to help them in any way whatsoever until I know they are sane.

    Here's the national dashboard, and a graph of the current rate. 3.5 million are opted out.
    https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/national-data-opt-out-open-data

    As someone engaged in health research using medical records*, opt-outs can be hugely damaging, in general, but also to those opting out. If the data of a group are missing, then any issues that need addressing in that group will go undetected and policy/treatments will favour those who did not opt out.

    Worth noting that the palantir contract is for service delivery and not research (I think) so opting out won't keep your data out of their and the US government's mitts.

    *Actually now in consented research and consent trumps the opt-outs, I think. Previously this had a very real impact on my work (I think - although the difficulty is you actually know very little about who opted out, so hard to tell)
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,160

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Rates are falling substantially. Why do you think they'll level out here?
    Because the second derivative is much lower.
  • https://x.com/tomhcalver/status/2057386770296185210

    Net migration almost halves to 171,000 – even lower than analysts predicted – driven by a fall in work visas

    Is this just the start? Could we see negative net migration by the next election? Some experts think so

    Seems like we’re following this chart quite well. So a possibility of net zero by the next election.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438
    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    No need to pack. Everything you need will be provided at the other end of your train journey.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,119

    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    Everyone is running down their inventories and strategic reserves in the hope that the Strait of Hormuz is open again before those run out.

    On food I haven't seen the statistics on planting this spring, but when you see stories like India telling its farmers to halves their fertiliser use it seems obvious that there is a large problem incoming.

    One of the issues with food is that there's a large lag between when a problem in the future becomes inevitable (because not enough crops have been planted or fertiliser used), and when that problem becomes obvious (when there's actually a food deficit following the harvest), and also in rectifying the problem (by growing more food again with restored supplies of fertiliser).
    Ah so you're saying that if Hormuz reopened tomorrow it would be possible to restock by shipping more than normal, as well as meeting current demand, and so avoiding a supply crunch? I was under the impression that shipping times meant diesel running very low was already baked in.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,693

    https://x.com/tomhcalver/status/2057386770296185210

    Net migration almost halves to 171,000 – even lower than analysts predicted – driven by a fall in work visas

    Is this just the start? Could we see negative net migration by the next election? Some experts think so

    Seems like we’re following this chart quite well. So a possibility of net zero by the next election.

    Presumably this is considered the right sort of Net Zero?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,693

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Rates are falling substantially. Why do you think they'll level out here?
    Because the second derivative is much lower.
    It's roughly halved. Didn't it roughly halve last time? If it halves again, it will already be below 100k. Your maths is wonky on either a multiplicative or additive scale.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    Phil said:

    I see Wes Streeting is proposing to match capital gains tax to income tax.

    /If/ Labour allows inflation re-indexing of assets, so that the cost basis for capital gains tax is scaled with inflation then this is a sensible idea. If not, it will be the stupidist tax in the UK, even worse than stamp duty: A non-indexed high rate of CGT is a > 100% tax on long term gains & destroys private investment at a stroke, it’s an enormous incentive for the government to shadow tax assets by printing £ & makes incentivising employees through share options impossible.

    Labour should, in fact, impose CGT at the sellers marginal income tax rate after inflation re-indexing & use the income to cut income taxes & reward work.

    Failure to index the cost basis to inflation for the CGT calculation will destroy the economy: If you think we’ve got low growth now, wait till you see what happens when the real tax on capital gains is > 100% !

    (Ironically, this represents a return to Tory orthodoxy: Nigel Lawson introduced almost exactly this system back in 1988 or so, I’m not sure why it was subsequently abandoned.)

    Dan Neidle has a thread welcoming the proposal. And makes the Lawson point, too.

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2057384176865681632
    Stunned, appalled, shocked etc to see actual tax reform from a politician. This from Wes Streeting today.

    A thread on why capital gains tax is broken. It's too low AND too high. & why this is a good proposal.


    It's been amusing to read a bunch of Tories calling Streeting a twat for proposing what was once That heroes orthodoxy.

    Of course Lawson wouldn't have been quite so keen on raising the top rate of tax.
    He preferred VAT.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,317

    Nigel Farage probably doesn’t owe tax on his £5m gift
    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/05/20/farage-5m-gift-tax/

    Dan Neidle's TPA outfit has published a very long document which I've not read but that's the headline.

    There is a blatant "questionable call" (aka error) right at the start - surely Mr Farage's profession and employment is that of a political campaigner?

    "It’s connected to Mr Farage’s historic and current political campaigning activity, and not to any trade, profession, employment or office that he carries on or holds."
  • https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2057382819853148384

    This actually *beats* the Bowes projections, which I posted earlier, that many seemed sceptical of. We are on track for three years of negative net migration in the run up to the 2029 GE.

    Burnham really needs to stick with what Mahmood is doing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    Since Leon is gaily talking of deporting millions, then quite possibly.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2057382819853148384

    This actually *beats* the Bowes projections, which I posted earlier, that many seemed sceptical of. We are on track for three years of negative net migration in the run up to the 2029 GE.

    Burnham really needs to stick with what Mahmood is doing.

    If we go into the next general election with negative net migration, Reform's policy will just look like a continuation of the status quo rather than a scary deviation from it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438
    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    Everyone is running down their inventories and strategic reserves in the hope that the Strait of Hormuz is open again before those run out.

    On food I haven't seen the statistics on planting this spring, but when you see stories like India telling its farmers to halves their fertiliser use it seems obvious that there is a large problem incoming.

    One of the issues with food is that there's a large lag between when a problem in the future becomes inevitable (because not enough crops have been planted or fertiliser used), and when that problem becomes obvious (when there's actually a food deficit following the harvest), and also in rectifying the problem (by growing more food again with restored supplies of fertiliser).
    Ah so you're saying that if Hormuz reopened tomorrow it would be possible to restock by shipping more than normal, as well as meeting current demand, and so avoiding a supply crunch? I was under the impression that shipping times meant diesel running very low was already baked in.
    The shipping times to various locations are measured in weeks. If you had a 100% open Hormuz *now*, it’s 2 months for the cargos to start arriving.

    Then you have to refill the supply chains. Lots of stuff emptied or shut in.

    So you have multiple months from restart to back to normal, built in.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,631
    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
  • Andy Burnham is a lucky general.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,693

    If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years

    Since you (a) apparently hate this country and (b) think there are too many people in it I would have thought there is a very obvious solution available to you...
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,119

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    Everyone is running down their inventories and strategic reserves in the hope that the Strait of Hormuz is open again before those run out.

    On food I haven't seen the statistics on planting this spring, but when you see stories like India telling its farmers to halves their fertiliser use it seems obvious that there is a large problem incoming.

    One of the issues with food is that there's a large lag between when a problem in the future becomes inevitable (because not enough crops have been planted or fertiliser used), and when that problem becomes obvious (when there's actually a food deficit following the harvest), and also in rectifying the problem (by growing more food again with restored supplies of fertiliser).
    Ah so you're saying that if Hormuz reopened tomorrow it would be possible to restock by shipping more than normal, as well as meeting current demand, and so avoiding a supply crunch? I was under the impression that shipping times meant diesel running very low was already baked in.
    The shipping times to various locations are measured in weeks. If you had a 100% open Hormuz *now*, it’s 2 months for the cargos to start arriving.

    Then you have to refill the supply chains. Lots of stuff emptied or shut in.

    So you have multiple months from restart to back to normal, built in.
    That's what I mean. So my question still stands.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    edited May 21

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2057382819853148384

    This actually *beats* the Bowes projections, which I posted earlier, that many seemed sceptical of. We are on track for three years of negative net migration in the run up to the 2029 GE.

    Burnham really needs to stick with what Mahmood is doing.

    The reduction is the work of Sunak and Starmer not changing the rules

    On Mahmood, she seems to be the choice of Home Secretary by Burnham

    All he needs to do is win 4 weeks today

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/20/burnham-to-back-shabana-mahmoods-immigration-changes-allies-say?CMP=share_btn_url
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,693
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Maybe it's going to be different this time and Sandpit isn't just repeating dodgy MAGA talking points... nah, probably not.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,182

    Andy Burnham is a lucky general.

    Didn’t you say the same of Starmer a couple of years ago?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,556
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Indeed, will be a totally different type of communism this time, nothing like all the other failed attempts at it.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,520

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    Can you identify who these people are? Which home, exactly?

    If I didn't know you better, I'd say that your "more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger" support for the hard right might just be fairly naked racism... So I think you should explain your thinking here.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438
    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    Everyone is running down their inventories and strategic reserves in the hope that the Strait of Hormuz is open again before those run out.

    On food I haven't seen the statistics on planting this spring, but when you see stories like India telling its farmers to halves their fertiliser use it seems obvious that there is a large problem incoming.

    One of the issues with food is that there's a large lag between when a problem in the future becomes inevitable (because not enough crops have been planted or fertiliser used), and when that problem becomes obvious (when there's actually a food deficit following the harvest), and also in rectifying the problem (by growing more food again with restored supplies of fertiliser).
    Ah so you're saying that if Hormuz reopened tomorrow it would be possible to restock by shipping more than normal, as well as meeting current demand, and so avoiding a supply crunch? I was under the impression that shipping times meant diesel running very low was already baked in.
    The shipping times to various locations are measured in weeks. If you had a 100% open Hormuz *now*, it’s 2 months for the cargos to start arriving.

    Then you have to refill the supply chains. Lots of stuff emptied or shut in.

    So you have multiple months from restart to back to normal, built in.
    That's what I mean. So my question still stands.
    It’s baked in now
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    .
    RobD said:

    Andy Burnham is a lucky general.

    Didn’t you say the same of Starmer a couple of years ago?
    His luck ran out.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited May 21
    Something for everybody in the immigration figures.

    Labour can say headline figure well down and less asylum seeks in hotels, Mahmood doing a good job. Although the wider PLP don't like Mahmoods sticking to "hardline" immigration policy (it isn't particularly hardline IMO). Be interesting to see if Burnham sticks with her.

    Tories can say that was our policy, but Labour policies still driving too many educated / high earner away. In YE December 2025, 246,000 British nationals left the UK, a slight decline of 4% from the updated YE December 2024 estimates of 257,000. 250k that's a lot of people still leaving.

    Reform can say still too high, aslyum claims are up and Labour doing some jiggery pokery with "hotels" just moving people to HMOs. Also, still 700k in which is very high number, of which 625k are non-EU (dog whistle).

    Green can say "open borders", "hug the world", Mahmood is giving in to the right wing media, stifling the NHS, universities etc as not allowing enough people in.

    Lib Dems can say look how EU immigration has totally closed, Brexit bad. Undo Brexit, get more skilled EU people in, then require less non-EU immigrants. Three cheers all round for more Polish plumbers and Estonain nannies.

    Restore, one immigrant is one too many, we should be pursing re-immigration.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,534
    The public seem to be in a mood to not give Labour credit for anything and it seems to be the in thing to just follow the herd and constantly moan about the government.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    edited May 21
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Indeed, will be a totally different type of communism this time, nothing like all the other failed attempts at it.
    It seems already to have been abandoned after the reaction from retailers.
    Quite why the government thought it sensible even to try has yet to be explained.

    With Streeting harming back to 1980s Lawson, maybe Reeves though going back an extra decade might be a good idea ...

    (Apologies; I see you were talking about Mamdani. One of his odder ideas.)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    Everyone is running down their inventories and strategic reserves in the hope that the Strait of Hormuz is open again before those run out.

    On food I haven't seen the statistics on planting this spring, but when you see stories like India telling its farmers to halves their fertiliser use it seems obvious that there is a large problem incoming.

    One of the issues with food is that there's a large lag between when a problem in the future becomes inevitable (because not enough crops have been planted or fertiliser used), and when that problem becomes obvious (when there's actually a food deficit following the harvest), and also in rectifying the problem (by growing more food again with restored supplies of fertiliser).
    Ah so you're saying that if Hormuz reopened tomorrow it would be possible to restock by shipping more than normal, as well as meeting current demand, and so avoiding a supply crunch? I was under the impression that shipping times meant diesel running very low was already baked in.
    I don't know, but that does seem to be the prevailing opinion of the market. There will be a deal and Hormuz will reopen, soon, and then everything will gradually return to normal.

    My guess is that this is irrational complacency, but perhaps actors in the market know more than me about the special measures being deployed to build oil pipelines bypassing the Strait in record time.
  • If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years

    Since you (a) apparently hate this country and (b) think there are too many people in it I would have thought there is a very obvious solution available to you...
    Vote Reform. Yes
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Problem is New York has food deserts in some parts of the city so he needs to do something
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438
    nico67 said:

    The public seem to be in a mood to not give Labour credit for anything and it seems to be the in thing to just follow the herd and constantly moan about the government.

    The people have really lost the trust of the government, haven’t they?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    The latest S&P Global Flash UK PMI composite output index dropped to 48.5 in May from 52.6 in April. A 13-month low and well below the 50 expansion threshold…

    That reading significantly undershot the 51.6 consensus forecast from Reuters-polled economists. Services saw the sharpest activity decline since January 2021, with the overall reading the lowest outside the pandemic in nearly a decade. S&P Global’s Chris Williamson said there is a “perfect storm” of political uncertainty compounding the economic fallout from Iran…

    Firms reported falling output, surging inflation, supply shortages, and job cuts, with weaker investment sentiment and delayed consumer spending decisions.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,207
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Indeed, will be a totally different type of communism this time, nothing like all the other failed attempts at it.
    What people miss is that city-owned groceries is not an entirely new concept in the land of the free where several states own and run off-licences.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,317
    nico67 said:

    The public seem to be in a mood to not give Labour credit for anything and it seems to be the in thing to just follow the herd and constantly moan about the government.

    This government are the worst communicators ever, and the media is more biased and polarised than ever so it is not surprising. Labour do need a Burnham or Streeting who can actually talk normal.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2057395182157353303

    Net migration has fallen 82%.

    I promised to restore control to our borders. My government is delivering.

    I know there’s more to do, we’re introducing a skills-based migration system that rewards contribution and ends our reliance on cheap overseas workers.
  • Nigelb said:

    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    Since Leon is gaily talking of deporting millions, then quite possibly.
    Well, we gaily imported millions - literally a million a year at peak Boriswave, an insane policy which no one ever asked for (and for which Boris should do time) it seems fitting that we reverse the policy with the same cheery insouciance
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Indeed, will be a totally different type of communism this time, nothing like all the other failed attempts at it.
    What people miss is that city-owned groceries is not an entirely new concept in the land of the free where several states own and run off-licences.
    Which only work by granting themselves monopolies….
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited May 21

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Indeed, will be a totally different type of communism this time, nothing like all the other failed attempts at it.
    What people miss is that city-owned groceries is not an entirely new concept in the land of the free where several states own and run off-licences.
    Off-licences are totally different though. Its based in the prohibition "sins" of alcohol mentality and they aren't exactly very popular with those that drink. Booze smuggling was the origins of NASCAR and very much still a thing in the US where people just drive to other towns and fill up on booze. Same in Canada, the state monopoly "Beer Store" come in for a lot of complaints particular beacuse of pricing, but also availability of booze brands it very tightly controlled.

    The Canadian stores have got better (I was there a couple of months ago), but better in terms of if you like hipster small brewery IPA type beers, and still nowhere near as good as US which has undergo an absolute revolution in the quality of craft beer. Base price is very high if all you want is piss water.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    Everyone is running down their inventories and strategic reserves in the hope that the Strait of Hormuz is open again before those run out.

    On food I haven't seen the statistics on planting this spring, but when you see stories like India telling its farmers to halves their fertiliser use it seems obvious that there is a large problem incoming.

    One of the issues with food is that there's a large lag between when a problem in the future becomes inevitable (because not enough crops have been planted or fertiliser used), and when that problem becomes obvious (when there's actually a food deficit following the harvest), and also in rectifying the problem (by growing more food again with restored supplies of fertiliser).
    Ah so you're saying that if Hormuz reopened tomorrow it would be possible to restock by shipping more than normal, as well as meeting current demand, and so avoiding a supply crunch? I was under the impression that shipping times meant diesel running very low was already baked in.
    I don't know, but that does seem to be the prevailing opinion of the market. There will be a deal and Hormuz will reopen, soon, and then everything will gradually return to normal.

    My guess is that this is irrational complacency, but perhaps actors in the market know more than me about the special measures being deployed to build oil pipelines bypassing the Strait in record time.
    The current consensus seems to be that a deal is abut to be done.
    Which puts more reliance on Trump's common sense and reliability than I am comfortable with.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,623
    edited May 21
    RobD said:

    Andy Burnham is a lucky general.

    Didn’t you say the same of Starmer a couple of years ago?
    Indeed I did and he was.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,160

    Nigelb said:

    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    Since Leon is gaily talking of deporting millions, then quite possibly.
    Well, we gaily imported millions - literally a million a year at peak Boriswave, an insane policy which no one ever asked for (and for which Boris should do time) it seems fitting that we reverse the policy with the same cheery insouciance
    OK - so how would you implement it? No point just talking about some an aspiration - how matters too!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Rates are falling substantially. Why do you think they'll level out here?
    Because the second derivative is much lower.
    It's roughly halved. Didn't it roughly halve last time? If it halves again, it will already be below 100k. Your maths is wonky on either a multiplicative or additive scale.
    I'm looking at changes in the components, not just the headline numbers.
  • murali_s said:

    Nigelb said:

    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    Since Leon is gaily talking of deporting millions, then quite possibly.
    Well, we gaily imported millions - literally a million a year at peak Boriswave, an insane policy which no one ever asked for (and for which Boris should do time) it seems fitting that we reverse the policy with the same cheery insouciance
    OK - so how would you implement it? No point just talking about some an aspiration - how matters too!
    I would vote for a government that says it will do it
  • glwglw Posts: 10,947
    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    I see Wes Streeting is proposing to match capital gains tax to income tax.

    /If/ Labour allows inflation re-indexing of assets, so that the cost basis for capital gains tax is scaled with inflation then this is a sensible idea. If not, it will be the stupidist tax in the UK, even worse than stamp duty: A non-indexed high rate of CGT is a > 100% tax on long term gains & destroys private investment at a stroke, it’s an enormous incentive for the government to shadow tax assets by printing £ & makes incentivising employees through share options impossible.

    Labour should, in fact, impose CGT at the sellers marginal income tax rate after inflation re-indexing & use the income to cut income taxes & reward work.

    Failure to index the cost basis to inflation for the CGT calculation will destroy the economy: If you think we’ve got low growth now, wait till you see what happens when the real tax on capital gains is > 100% !

    (Ironically, this represents a return to Tory orthodoxy: Nigel Lawson introduced almost exactly this system back in 1988 or so, I’m not sure why it was subsequently abandoned.)

    Dan Neidle has a thread welcoming the proposal. And makes the Lawson point, too.

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2057384176865681632
    Stunned, appalled, shocked etc to see actual tax reform from a politician. This from Wes Streeting today.

    A thread on why capital gains tax is broken. It's too low AND too high. & why this is a good proposal.


    It's been amusing to read a bunch of Tories calling Streeting a twat for proposing what was once That heroes orthodoxy.

    Of course Lawson wouldn't have been quite so keen on raising the top rate of tax.
    He preferred VAT.
    Honestly that looks at first glance like a pretty sensible idea. If Labour would do something sensible about NI as well they might stand a chance of turning things around.
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 514

    Nigel Farage probably doesn’t owe tax on his £5m gift
    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/05/20/farage-5m-gift-tax/

    Dan Neidle's TPA outfit has published a very long document which I've not read but that's the headline.

    There is a blatant "questionable call" (aka error) right at the start - surely Mr Farage's profession and employment is that of a political campaigner?

    "It’s connected to Mr Farage’s historic and current political campaigning activity, and not to any trade, profession, employment or office that he carries on or holds."
    That is not a questionable call or error. Political campaigning is not classed as a trade, profession or vocation for tax purposes if the activity is primarily carried out on a voluntary, non-commercial or purely ideological basis. If you are a consultant, a PR provider, campaigns agency or similar, your income is taxable. If you are a politician, donations to support you or your campaigning are not classed as taxable income. Politicians generally do not pay income tax on donations or gifts provided they are given to support their political activities rather than being a reward for specific employment-related services.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    nico67 said:

    The public seem to be in a mood to not give Labour credit for anything and it seems to be the in thing to just follow the herd and constantly moan about the government.

    The government and Starmer personally have lost the trust of the public and in the wider context, all politicians, as they fail to meet expectations

    Furthermore, they can see a government conducting a civil war in cabinet and with it's mps, so much so they have lost credibility to govern and want Starmer gone

    My hope is Burnham wins, and in so doing resets the agenda and I want him to succeed and beat off the Reform and Green challenge

    The country deserves better, much better, and if this experiment fails then goodness knows what happens next

    I support Burnham endorsing Mahmood's stance on immigration and also a wealth tax and complete overhaul of council tax

    I do support Kemi, as I am of the opinion she will temper the extremes of Farage as there will always be a right in politics, just not far right
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,556

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Indeed, will be a totally different type of communism this time, nothing like all the other failed attempts at it.
    What people miss is that city-owned groceries is not an entirely new concept in the land of the free where several states own and run off-licences.
    The state-run offies are enforced monopolies though.

    This NY idea is going to be competing with Wal-Mart, Target, and Costco, plus many smaller grocery shops. Good luck with that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
    Maybe, like trying communism, it’s going to be different this time……….
    Indeed, will be a totally different type of communism this time, nothing like all the other failed attempts at it.
    What people miss is that city-owned groceries is not an entirely new concept in the land of the free where several states own and run off-licences.
    Really not the same thing.
    The NY grocery market is pretty competitive.

    The Mamdani markets won't pay rent or property taxes (which account for a lot of overhead in NY), so are heavily subsidised competition.
    If there are more than a handful of them, it will cause serious distortions with unpredictable effects.

    Subsidising food banks would be a more sensible alternative, IMO.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    BBC Russia correspondent:

    One Russian paper says Russia's “on verge of recession” & warns of “a large-scale bank liquidity crisis.” After Putin & Xi failed to reach a deal on the 'Power of Siberia 2' pipeline, another paper writes: “Chinese media ignored the topic of the gas pipeline.”

    https://x.com/bbcstever/status/2057355685302595671

    Are they still stuck on they both want the pipeline but China has no interest in paying for it?

    ETA scooped by sandpit!
    China appears to be quite content buying up what almost no-one else wants to touch at the moment, at a significant discount to market prices.

    Xi has Putin over a barrel, both figuratively and literally.
    No, only figuratively unless you think Xi actually has Vlad tied over a barrel and is doing unspeakable things to him.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    edited May 21
    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    I see Wes Streeting is proposing to match capital gains tax to income tax.

    /If/ Labour allows inflation re-indexing of assets, so that the cost basis for capital gains tax is scaled with inflation then this is a sensible idea. If not, it will be the stupidist tax in the UK, even worse than stamp duty: A non-indexed high rate of CGT is a > 100% tax on long term gains & destroys private investment at a stroke, it’s an enormous incentive for the government to shadow tax assets by printing £ & makes incentivising employees through share options impossible.

    Labour should, in fact, impose CGT at the sellers marginal income tax rate after inflation re-indexing & use the income to cut income taxes & reward work.

    Failure to index the cost basis to inflation for the CGT calculation will destroy the economy: If you think we’ve got low growth now, wait till you see what happens when the real tax on capital gains is > 100% !

    (Ironically, this represents a return to Tory orthodoxy: Nigel Lawson introduced almost exactly this system back in 1988 or so, I’m not sure why it was subsequently abandoned.)

    Dan Neidle has a thread welcoming the proposal. And makes the Lawson point, too.

    https://x.com/DanNeidle/status/2057384176865681632
    Stunned, appalled, shocked etc to see actual tax reform from a politician. This from Wes Streeting today.

    A thread on why capital gains tax is broken. It's too low AND too high. & why this is a good proposal.


    It's been amusing to read a bunch of Tories calling Streeting a twat for proposing what was once That heroes orthodoxy.

    Of course Lawson wouldn't have been quite so keen on raising the top rate of tax.
    He preferred VAT.
    Honestly that looks at first glance like a pretty sensible idea. If Labour would do something sensible about NI as well they might stand a chance of turning things around.
    It’s a good idea for something’s - it’s probably a bad thing if it applies to residential property. I made a massive profit back in 2004 when I sold the BTL we originally bought, but thanks to inflation I think we paid £3,000 in CGT rather than the £12,000 probably £18,000 it would have cost under the current rules
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,317

    Nigel Farage probably doesn’t owe tax on his £5m gift
    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/05/20/farage-5m-gift-tax/

    Dan Neidle's TPA outfit has published a very long document which I've not read but that's the headline.

    There is a blatant "questionable call" (aka error) right at the start - surely Mr Farage's profession and employment is that of a political campaigner?

    "It’s connected to Mr Farage’s historic and current political campaigning activity, and not to any trade, profession, employment or office that he carries on or holds."
    That is not a questionable call or error. Political campaigning is not classed as a trade, profession or vocation for tax purposes if the activity is primarily carried out on a voluntary, non-commercial or purely ideological basis. If you are a consultant, a PR provider, campaigns agency or similar, your income is taxable. If you are a politician, donations to support you or your campaigning are not classed as taxable income. Politicians generally do not pay income tax on donations or gifts provided they are given to support their political activities rather than being a reward for specific employment-related services.
    The donation wasn't made to support him or support his campaigning but in his own words as a reward.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,556

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    BBC Russia correspondent:

    One Russian paper says Russia's “on verge of recession” & warns of “a large-scale bank liquidity crisis.” After Putin & Xi failed to reach a deal on the 'Power of Siberia 2' pipeline, another paper writes: “Chinese media ignored the topic of the gas pipeline.”

    https://x.com/bbcstever/status/2057355685302595671

    Are they still stuck on they both want the pipeline but China has no interest in paying for it?

    ETA scooped by sandpit!
    China appears to be quite content buying up what almost no-one else wants to touch at the moment, at a significant discount to market prices.

    Xi has Putin over a barrel, both figuratively and literally.
    No, only figuratively unless you think Xi actually has Vlad tied over a barrel and is doing unspeakable things to him.
    That was the figurative example, the literal example of course being the oil that isn’t in the unbuilt pipeline.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,027
    edited May 21
    Cicero said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    Can you identify who these people are? Which home, exactly?

    If I didn't know you better, I'd say that your "more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger" support for the hard right might just be fairly naked racism... So I think you should explain your thinking here.
    Perhaps people like the cheery Nigerian chappy I became acquainted with at church. He, his wife and teenage son and daughter turned up as part of the Boriswave, all to a non-jobs in socal care, having been told (probably before paying a fortune for visas to some scumbag in Nigeria) that in England the streets are made of gold. He was cheerfully driving round without a license or insurance, because he had a worldview where he couldn't get his head around needing these.
    They were desperately poor, living off various forms of handout. Eventually one of them got a job near Gatwick, and they all headed down there.

    I don’t dislike them. Their teenage lad was quite amusing, he played drums in my band at church. I don't wish them any ill, but the sad reality was that they didn't really get how the UK works, they were a massive net drain on both the taxpayer and also other social networks (our church put huge resources into supporting them), and unfortunately they probably would be better off back in Nigeria.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,997

    My guesses of 59, 44 and 16% were all agonisingly close.

    My guesses on the other hand were agonisingly nowhere near close
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    RobD said:

    Andy Burnham is a lucky general.

    Didn’t you say the same of Starmer a couple of years ago?
    Indeed I did and he was.
    Bit like Johnson though in that despite winning big his essential flaws (different ones, for sure), meant a swift decline too.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229
    edited May 21

    If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years

    Since you (a) apparently hate this country and (b) think there are too many people in it I would have thought there is a very obvious solution available to you...
    OK, I’M LEAVING!

    *Examines copious amounts of chichi knick knacks that will need to be wrapped up*

    Ok, maybe not quite yet.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Nigelb said:

    maxh said:

    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    Everyone is running down their inventories and strategic reserves in the hope that the Strait of Hormuz is open again before those run out.

    On food I haven't seen the statistics on planting this spring, but when you see stories like India telling its farmers to halves their fertiliser use it seems obvious that there is a large problem incoming.

    One of the issues with food is that there's a large lag between when a problem in the future becomes inevitable (because not enough crops have been planted or fertiliser used), and when that problem becomes obvious (when there's actually a food deficit following the harvest), and also in rectifying the problem (by growing more food again with restored supplies of fertiliser).
    Ah so you're saying that if Hormuz reopened tomorrow it would be possible to restock by shipping more than normal, as well as meeting current demand, and so avoiding a supply crunch? I was under the impression that shipping times meant diesel running very low was already baked in.
    I don't know, but that does seem to be the prevailing opinion of the market. There will be a deal and Hormuz will reopen, soon, and then everything will gradually return to normal.

    My guess is that this is irrational complacency, but perhaps actors in the market know more than me about the special measures being deployed to build oil pipelines bypassing the Strait in record time.
    The current consensus seems to be that a deal is abut to be done.
    Which puts more reliance on Trump's common sense and reliability than I am comfortable with.
    I'm not sure it's just a question of a lack of common sense. To make a deal it looks like Trump has to accept failure - Iran are asking for a high price for a deal.

    You don't have to be a narcissistic wannabe dictator to find accepting failure difficult, though I'm sure it helps.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    Nigel Farage probably doesn’t owe tax on his £5m gift
    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/05/20/farage-5m-gift-tax/

    Dan Neidle's TPA outfit has published a very long document which I've not read but that's the headline.

    There is a blatant "questionable call" (aka error) right at the start - surely Mr Farage's profession and employment is that of a political campaigner?

    "It’s connected to Mr Farage’s historic and current political campaigning activity, and not to any trade, profession, employment or office that he carries on or holds."
    That is not a questionable call or error. Political campaigning is not classed as a trade, profession or vocation for tax purposes if the activity is primarily carried out on a voluntary, non-commercial or purely ideological basis. If you are a consultant, a PR provider, campaigns agency or similar, your income is taxable. If you are a politician, donations to support you or your campaigning are not classed as taxable income. Politicians generally do not pay income tax on donations or gifts provided they are given to support their political activities rather than being a reward for specific employment-related services.
    The donation wasn't made to support him or support his campaigning but in his own words as a reward.
    Which is still not taxable according to Neidle.

    In any event the objection is not about tax; it's that Farage took a massive bung from overseas and failed to declare it.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,160

    murali_s said:

    Nigelb said:

    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    Since Leon is gaily talking of deporting millions, then quite possibly.
    Well, we gaily imported millions - literally a million a year at peak Boriswave, an insane policy which no one ever asked for (and for which Boris should do time) it seems fitting that we reverse the policy with the same cheery insouciance
    OK - so how would you implement it? No point just talking about some an aspiration - how matters too!
    I would vote for a government that says it will do it
    Do what exactly? Sorry if I am being thick.
  • murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Nigelb said:

    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    Since Leon is gaily talking of deporting millions, then quite possibly.
    Well, we gaily imported millions - literally a million a year at peak Boriswave, an insane policy which no one ever asked for (and for which Boris should do time) it seems fitting that we reverse the policy with the same cheery insouciance
    OK - so how would you implement it? No point just talking about some an aspiration - how matters too!
    I would vote for a government that says it will do it
    Do what exactly? Sorry if I am being thick.
    You are being thick. Life is too short to chat with thick people. Sorry
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    FF43 said:

    My guesses of 59, 44 and 16% were all agonisingly close.

    My guesses on the other hand were agonisingly nowhere near close
    I have taken the sensible precaution of forgetting completely my predictions.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    We are about to run out of fertiliser to grow things and diesel to drive what we can't grow to the supermarkets.

    What I found odd was that amidst all the pb pearl clutching, no-one remembered that both parties tried something similar in the 1960s and 70s. Prices and incomes policy was one of the things Mrs Thatcher was reacting against.
    Red diesel has come back a bit in price, down around 25-30p/litre past month, but fertiliser is still higher at £500+/ton, as opposed to pre Hormuz when it started with a 3, not a 5

    I think governments are well aware of the risks of inflation linked to the crisis, but I don't think food price capping is a sensible policy. Maybe in the late 60s air miles on food was less of a thing and we were more self sufficient then. Its a global market now
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    EasyJet boss says summer flights won't be hit by jet fuel shortages

    Jarvis said fuel production had increased in Norway, West Africa and the Americas, while "refining capacity for jet fuel has also increased substantially outside of the Gulf region".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgplpd7px4o
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,317
    Nigelb said:

    Nigel Farage probably doesn’t owe tax on his £5m gift
    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/05/20/farage-5m-gift-tax/

    Dan Neidle's TPA outfit has published a very long document which I've not read but that's the headline.

    There is a blatant "questionable call" (aka error) right at the start - surely Mr Farage's profession and employment is that of a political campaigner?

    "It’s connected to Mr Farage’s historic and current political campaigning activity, and not to any trade, profession, employment or office that he carries on or holds."
    That is not a questionable call or error. Political campaigning is not classed as a trade, profession or vocation for tax purposes if the activity is primarily carried out on a voluntary, non-commercial or purely ideological basis. If you are a consultant, a PR provider, campaigns agency or similar, your income is taxable. If you are a politician, donations to support you or your campaigning are not classed as taxable income. Politicians generally do not pay income tax on donations or gifts provided they are given to support their political activities rather than being a reward for specific employment-related services.
    The donation wasn't made to support him or support his campaigning but in his own words as a reward.
    Which is still not taxable according to Neidle.

    In any event the objection is not about tax; it's that Farage took a massive bung from overseas and failed to declare it.
    There are multiple objections! Tax is one of them - I think it is arguable either way and like VAR whatever HMRC decided, taxable or not taxable, would be reasonable and likely upheld in tribunal or court.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    BBC Russia correspondent:

    One Russian paper says Russia's “on verge of recession” & warns of “a large-scale bank liquidity crisis.” After Putin & Xi failed to reach a deal on the 'Power of Siberia 2' pipeline, another paper writes: “Chinese media ignored the topic of the gas pipeline.”

    https://x.com/bbcstever/status/2057355685302595671

    Are they still stuck on they both want the pipeline but China has no interest in paying for it?

    ETA scooped by sandpit!
    China appears to be quite content buying up what almost no-one else wants to touch at the moment, at a significant discount to market prices.

    Xi has Putin over a barrel, both figuratively and literally.
    No, only figuratively unless you think Xi actually has Vlad tied over a barrel and is doing unspeakable things to him.
    That was the figurative example, the literal example of course being the oil that isn’t in the unbuilt pipeline.
    Any use of that idiom that doesn’t involve someone actually over an actual barrel is figurative.
    Literally.
  • EasyJet boss says summer flights won't be hit by jet fuel shortages

    Jarvis said fuel production had increased in Norway, West Africa and the Americas, while "refining capacity for jet fuel has also increased substantially outside of the Gulf region".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgplpd7px4o

    Regular readers will recall that this was my advice to PBers wondering if they should cancel foreign travel because Hormuz

    I told them “chill out, it will probably be fine, the industry vibe is more relaxed than you realise. Go ahead and book”

    Good advice, it seems
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,114
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    My guesses of 59, 44 and 16% were all agonisingly close.

    My guesses on the other hand were agonisingly nowhere near close
    I have taken the sensible precaution of forgetting completely my predictions.
    I forget most of mine. The Welsh one stuck with me given what a hash I made of it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229

    EasyJet boss says summer flights won't be hit by jet fuel shortages

    Jarvis said fuel production had increased in Norway, West Africa and the Americas, while "refining capacity for jet fuel has also increased substantially outside of the Gulf region".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgplpd7px4o

    Shame that refining capacity for jet fuel has decreased substantially in the UK by roughly one refinery’s worth.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    While the use of hotels is down, the Home Office are just moving people into dispersal accommodation in normal suburban streets, and the numbers on the Afghan resettlement scheme continues to grow.
    https://x.com/NeilDotObrien/status/2057399309759291472?s=20

    So we had 129,980 asylum seekers & Afghans in Home Office accommodation in Summer 2024 and now have more - 136,136.
    https://x.com/NeilDotObrien/status/2057386142446596332?s=20

    The dandelion effect - Labour are moving asylum seekers out of urban areas and into dispersal accommodation in the suburbs & shires.
    So most areas have seen an increase since Summer 24 - places with an increase are shown in blue below:
    https://x.com/NeilDotObrien/status/2057389573362115072?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332

    EasyJet boss says summer flights won't be hit by jet fuel shortages

    Jarvis said fuel production had increased in Norway, West Africa and the Americas, while "refining capacity for jet fuel has also increased substantially outside of the Gulf region".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgplpd7px4o

    Regular readers will recall that this was my advice to PBers wondering if they should cancel foreign travel because Hormuz

    I told them “chill out, it will probably be fine, the industry vibe is more relaxed than you realise. Go ahead and book”

    Good advice, it seems
    I said yesterday that I have been booking a load of flights over the past 2-3 weeks and not seen any obvious price rises / sticker shock. In face, I have a flight to Asia on Singapore Airlines that was shockingly cheap.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806

    murali_s said:

    Nigelb said:

    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    Since Leon is gaily talking of deporting millions, then quite possibly.
    Well, we gaily imported millions - literally a million a year at peak Boriswave, an insane policy which no one ever asked for (and for which Boris should do time) it seems fitting that we reverse the policy with the same cheery insouciance
    OK - so how would you implement it? No point just talking about some an aspiration - how matters too!
    I would vote for a government that says it will do it
    Credulous as ever
  • If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years

    Since you (a) apparently hate this country and (b) think there are too many people in it I would have thought there is a very obvious solution available to you...
    OK, I’M LEAVING!

    *Examines copious amounts of chichi knick knacks that will need to be wrapped up*

    Ok, maybe not quite yet.

    Where you see “chi chi knick knacks” I see a potential Knapper’s Gazette article, which I can bang out in an hour for £400, thereby paying for all these coffee cans - with £200 left over

    Because I really am drinking more coffee - about twice as much - simply because the cans are so much more pleasurable to use. Lovely historic delicate beautiful noomy

    I’ve been scouring the psych literature looking for a theory that covers this phenomenon. I can’t really find one. Affordance Theory and Cathedral Effect come close, but don’t really map it entirely

    Fascinating
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344

    The latest S&P Global Flash UK PMI composite output index dropped to 48.5 in May from 52.6 in April. A 13-month low and well below the 50 expansion threshold…

    That reading significantly undershot the 51.6 consensus forecast from Reuters-polled economists. Services saw the sharpest activity decline since January 2021, with the overall reading the lowest outside the pandemic in nearly a decade. S&P Global’s Chris Williamson said there is a “perfect storm” of political uncertainty compounding the economic fallout from Iran…

    Firms reported falling output, surging inflation, supply shortages, and job cuts, with weaker investment sentiment and delayed consumer spending decisions.

    Time to cut rates.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238
    Bob Vylan and he turns out to be really interesting. Who'd have guessed who Keir's biggest personal doners turned out to be.

    ..............And what a guilty face!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKboWQHtgr0
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    Selebian said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    Yesterday at the GP the NHS National Data Opt-Out service was prominently featured in the rolling screen display. This allows us to opt out of our medical records being shared for research, and came in 2018, following on I assume from the various campaigns and conspiracy theories that were being made about privatisation around 2014-2016.

    It's not something I have been opposed to ideologically, as more data leads to better research and is a GOOD THING (using Sellars & Yeatman categories). But we are now seeing Palantir developing a role, and the USA has law in place ("Cloud Act" 2018) which allows the Govt to instruct US companies to give them all data stored in the cloud, even if in foreign countries. The UK Govt restrictions against that are only contractual afaics.

    I am having second thoughts, even though it undermines a common good. I do not trust the USA, and do not wish to help them in any way whatsoever until I know they are sane.

    Here's the national dashboard, and a graph of the current rate. 3.5 million are opted out.
    https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/national-data-opt-out-open-data

    As someone engaged in health research using medical records*, opt-outs can be hugely damaging, in general, but also to those opting out. If the data of a group are missing, then any issues that need addressing in that group will go undetected and policy/treatments will favour those who did not opt out.

    Worth noting that the palantir contract is for service delivery and not research (I think) so opting out won't keep your data out of their and the US government's mitts.

    *Actually now in consented research and consent trumps the opt-outs, I think. Previously this had a very real impact on my work (I think - although the difficulty is you actually know very little about who opted out, so hard to tell)
    I know. That's why it's a big question for me.

    It's one where having a "commons" is a plus 20 for everyone, which can be undermined by a small number feeling that they get a personal plus 0.5 at the cost of a community minus 5.

    ISTM that it works very similarly to vaccines and corporate immunity.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited May 21
    Roger said:

    Bob Vylan and he turns out to be really interesting. Who'd have guessed who Keir's biggest personal doners turned out to be.

    ..............And what a guilty face!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKboWQHtgr0

    You watching those dodgy YouTube channels again I see. Going full Plato, never go full Plato.

    Also Bob Vylan is the band name, not the individual, they rather wankerly go by stage names of Bobby Vylan and Bobbie Vylan, rather than Pascal Robinson-Foster and Wade George. At the end of the day, poundshop Rage Against the Machine.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806

    If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years

    Since you (a) apparently hate this country and (b) think there are too many people in it I would have thought there is a very obvious solution available to you...
    OK, I’M LEAVING!

    *Examines copious amounts of chichi knick knacks that will need to be wrapped up*

    Ok, maybe not quite yet.

    Where you see “chi chi knick knacks” I see a potential Knapper’s Gazette article, which I can bang out in an hour for £400, thereby paying for all these coffee cans - with £200 left over

    Because I really am drinking more coffee - about twice as much - simply because the cans are so much more pleasurable to use. Lovely historic delicate beautiful noomy

    I’ve been scouring the psych literature looking for a theory that covers this phenomenon. I can’t really find one. Affordance Theory and Cathedral Effect come close, but don’t really map it entirely

    Fascinating
    If you are looking for a psych theory as to why someone should try and get up their own arse, I am sure you will find one if you look hard enough.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229
    I reckon British twitter (Britter?) can be roughly divided into those that think John Cleese was a comedic national treasure who has been radicalised into being a tedious racist old arsehole and those who think he is even more of a national treasure because he’s a tedious racist old arsehole
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,386
    edited May 21
    DoctorG said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    We are about to run out of fertiliser to grow things and diesel to drive what we can't grow to the supermarkets.

    What I found odd was that amidst all the pb pearl clutching, no-one remembered that both parties tried something similar in the 1960s and 70s. Prices and incomes policy was one of the things Mrs Thatcher was reacting against.
    Red diesel has come back a bit in price, down around 25-30p/litre past month, but fertiliser is still higher at £500+/ton, as opposed to pre Hormuz when it started with a 3, not a 5

    I think governments are well aware of the risks of inflation linked to the crisis, but I don't think food price capping is a sensible policy. Maybe in the late 60s air miles on food was less of a thing and we were more self sufficient then. Its a global market now
    I can't see how capping the price of anything - food, energy, whatever - is ever a sensible decision. If these things are too expensive for poor people to manage, then give poor people more money. That way you don't destroy the price signal that encourages more efficient use of the resources in question, and it ends up costing us all less in the long run.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,160

    murali_s said:

    murali_s said:

    Nigelb said:

    murali_s said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    How would you make this happen? Should I be worried? Do I need to pack my bags?
    Since Leon is gaily talking of deporting millions, then quite possibly.
    Well, we gaily imported millions - literally a million a year at peak Boriswave, an insane policy which no one ever asked for (and for which Boris should do time) it seems fitting that we reverse the policy with the same cheery insouciance
    OK - so how would you implement it? No point just talking about some an aspiration - how matters too!
    I would vote for a government that says it will do it
    Do what exactly? Sorry if I am being thick.
    You are being thick. Life is too short to chat with thick people. Sorry
    Thankfully your views are not representative of the majority in this country, especially in London. Ironically it’s people like you that need to be kicked out from our capital.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,693

    If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years

    Since you (a) apparently hate this country and (b) think there are too many people in it I would have thought there is a very obvious solution available to you...
    Vote Reform. Yes
    They are the obvious choice for people who hate this country, I suppose. Especially given their well documented ties to Putin.
  • IanB2 said:

    If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years

    Since you (a) apparently hate this country and (b) think there are too many people in it I would have thought there is a very obvious solution available to you...
    OK, I’M LEAVING!

    *Examines copious amounts of chichi knick knacks that will need to be wrapped up*

    Ok, maybe not quite yet.

    Where you see “chi chi knick knacks” I see a potential Knapper’s Gazette article, which I can bang out in an hour for £400, thereby paying for all these coffee cans - with £200 left over

    Because I really am drinking more coffee - about twice as much - simply because the cans are so much more pleasurable to use. Lovely historic delicate beautiful noomy

    I’ve been scouring the psych literature looking for a theory that covers this phenomenon. I can’t really find one. Affordance Theory and Cathedral Effect come close, but don’t really map it entirely

    Fascinating
    If you are looking for a psych theory as to why someone should try and get up their own arse, I am sure you will find one if you look hard enough.
    I worked out your problem tho. It has been identified and studied

    You have “Attachment Pathology”. Recent research (Beetz, Williams) suggests zoophiles - eg practisers of “man dog physical love” - often report difficulty with human intimacy - they have anxious or avoidant attachment styles, social anxiety, and/or histories of human relational trauma. The loved pet animal, in this case a ravished dog, is experienced as safer, non-judgmental, and unconditional. The relationship is, consequently, partly displaced human attachment

    Does that ring true?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,693

    I reckon British twitter (Britter?) can be roughly divided into those that think John Cleese was a comedic national treasure who has been radicalised into being a tedious racist old arsehole and those who think he is even more of a national treasure because he’s a tedious racist old arsehole

    Cleese has become a less sympathetic version of Basil Fawlty.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332

    I reckon British twitter (Britter?) can be roughly divided into those that think John Cleese was a comedic national treasure who has been radicalised into being a tedious racist old arsehole and those who think he is even more of a national treasure because he’s a tedious racist old arsehole

    Another celeb who has gone down the rabbit hole of social media and become more radialised about everything.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    Nigelb said:

    Nigel Farage probably doesn’t owe tax on his £5m gift
    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/05/20/farage-5m-gift-tax/

    Dan Neidle's TPA outfit has published a very long document which I've not read but that's the headline.

    There is a blatant "questionable call" (aka error) right at the start - surely Mr Farage's profession and employment is that of a political campaigner?

    "It’s connected to Mr Farage’s historic and current political campaigning activity, and not to any trade, profession, employment or office that he carries on or holds."
    That is not a questionable call or error. Political campaigning is not classed as a trade, profession or vocation for tax purposes if the activity is primarily carried out on a voluntary, non-commercial or purely ideological basis. If you are a consultant, a PR provider, campaigns agency or similar, your income is taxable. If you are a politician, donations to support you or your campaigning are not classed as taxable income. Politicians generally do not pay income tax on donations or gifts provided they are given to support their political activities rather than being a reward for specific employment-related services.
    The donation wasn't made to support him or support his campaigning but in his own words as a reward.
    Which is still not taxable according to Neidle.

    In any event the objection is not about tax; it's that Farage took a massive bung from overseas and failed to declare it.
    There are multiple objections! Tax is one of them - I think it is arguable either way and like VAR whatever HMRC decided, taxable or not taxable, would be reasonable and likely upheld in tribunal or court.
    Oh, it's possible it's taxable depending on the detail surrounding the bung, but it's more likely that it isn't.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's seriously dodgy that foreign domiciled billionaires are allowed to interfere in our politics with such huge bungs, and dodgier still that Farage tried to keep it secret.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 21

    I reckon British twitter (Britter?) can be roughly divided into those that think John Cleese was a comedic national treasure who has been radicalised into being a tedious racist old arsehole and those who think he is even more of a national treasure because he’s a tedious racist old arsehole

    Cleese has become a less sympathetic version of Basil Fawlty.
    He looks pretty good for 86, tho. Better than the other Pythons, esp the dead ones. Maybe turning into a loud reactionary is good for the metabolism

    AIUI he has some special diet or yoga thing to which he ascribes his healthy longevity

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,871
    Very interesting piece on the consequences of Trump managing to get Thomas Massie deselected in Kentucky. Massie has, before and after the result, been extensively interviewed by Tucker Carlson on what was going down. So it should be pretty common knowledge among many in MAGA. That said, Massie noted that he had basically been excluded from Fox news which is where most of the older Republican voters in Kentucky get their news from.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2026/5/20/massie-defeated-the-israel-lobbys-pyrrhic-victory-in-kentucky

    Overreach on Trump and the Israeli lobby's part, as the article suggests? Dunno, but it certainly shows what a disastrous impact Trump 2 has had on US democracy. The media, justice dept, etc all completely corrupted by the Trump crowd, all of whom have been granted immunity in advance by Trump who will issue a blanket pardon to his favourites before he steps down.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,687

    I reckon British twitter (Britter?) can be roughly divided into those that think John Cleese was a comedic national treasure who has been radicalised into being a tedious racist old arsehole and those who think he is even more of a national treasure because he’s a tedious racist old arsehole

    Hardcore remainer and tedious old racist is a combo which complicates the split.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,311
    FPT slightly, and not an original observation, but I'm pretty sure that Streeting is angling to be Burnham's Chancellor, and I can see it happening.

    Rachel Reeves is tarnished goods and too closely associated with Starmer. Absolutely no way she will continue.

    Streeting is floating some smart, Burnham-adjacent ideas on taxation. He's also popularly viewed as centre-right so would probably pacify the almighty bond markets.

    There are moderately good odds on Betfair Exchange if you feel so moved.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 41,035
    Just ten points for me (I predicted a Labour vote share of 16%, 55 SNP seats, and 35 Plaid seats).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years

    Since you (a) apparently hate this country and (b) think there are too many people in it I would have thought there is a very obvious solution available to you...
    OK, I’M LEAVING!

    *Examines copious amounts of chichi knick knacks that will need to be wrapped up*

    Ok, maybe not quite yet.

    Where you see “chi chi knick knacks” I see a potential Knapper’s Gazette article, which I can bang out in an hour for £400, thereby paying for all these coffee cans - with £200 left over

    Because I really am drinking more coffee - about twice as much - simply because the cans are so much more pleasurable to use. Lovely historic delicate beautiful noomy

    I’ve been scouring the psych literature looking for a theory that covers this phenomenon. I can’t really find one. Affordance Theory and Cathedral Effect come close, but don’t really map it entirely

    Fascinating
    There is something about using objects with a past. A friend was describing his latest purchases - old split cane fishing rods and some reels - and how much he is looking forward to using them this summer.

    The object still needs to be able to do the job, of course. No point buying a pair of 1950's batting gloves and hoping not to get broken fingers, for instance.
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