Wesley snipes but gives up his leadership ambitions? – politicalbetting.com

System · May 20

Wesley snipes but gives up his leadership ambitions? – politicalbetting.com

Wes Streeting is likely to abandon his bid for the Labour leadership and fall in behind Andy Burnham if the Greater Manchester mayor wins the Makerfield by-election, senior allies believe.

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kle4 · May 20

Shouldn't have even announced he would challenge if he will kowtow to Andy.

Too incompetent in his ambitions to get a Cabinet job from Andy.

Keir managed to destroy at least 1 of his 4 main coup plotters (Miliband, Rayner and Andy the others).

DavidL · May 20

kle4 said:
Shouldn't have even announced he would if he will kowtow to Andy.

Too incompetent in his ambitions to get a Cabinet job.

You are not taking into account the quality of the alternatives. The current cabinet is probably the worst I have seen in my life time. Streeting, for all his faults, is a shining light in the dross.

kle4 · May 20

DavidL said:

kle4 said:
Shouldn't have even announced he would if he will kowtow to Andy.

Too incompetent in his ambitions to get a Cabinet job.
You are not taking into account the quality of the alternatives. The current cabinet is probably the worst I have seen in my life time. Streeting, for all his faults, is a shining light in the dross.

He has talent but cannot be trusted. 2 years in ths wilderness at least.

Northern_Al · May 20

Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.

MarqueeMark · May 20

It's a coronation then.

DavidL · May 20

kle4 said:

DavidL said:

kle4 said:
Shouldn't have even announced he would if he will kowtow to Andy.

Too incompetent in his ambitions to get a Cabinet job.
You are not taking into account the quality of the alternatives. The current cabinet is probably the worst I have seen in my life time. Streeting, for all his faults, is a shining light in the dross.
He has talent but cannot be trusted. 2 years in ths wilderness at least.

Labour really cannot afford to waste any talent they have. Their challenges over the next year or two with that loon in the White House, with the economic chaos that follows in his wake, with the need to somehow create defence forces that don't just exist on paper or in committee rooms, with a major borrowing requirement that could spin out of control because any of the above, these challenges would stretch a government vastly more capable than this one. Its all hands to the pump and hope (for the sake of the rest of us) they get very lucky.

Casino_Royale · May 20

Always bet on black.

numbertwelve · May 20

MarqueeMark said:
It's a coronation then.

I predict this will all end in tears.

Casino_Royale · May 20

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.

Least he had some bollocks.

rcs1000 · May 20

FPT:

bondegezou said:

MattW said:

theProle said:

MattW said:
An interesting transport project which has been approved for the Hope Valley in teh Peak District.

"Hope Valley Mini Switzerland".

It's a 3 year experiment in integrated rural transport, coordinating Bus / Rail timetables as happens across Switzerland, and integrating ticketing. A slice of London or Manchester practice in a rural area. The process was that a former director of TFL, senior Manager in Chiltern Railways had an idea, developed the concept, advertised for areas interested, asked for Govt approval, and received it.

He knows how to do things, as it took little more than a year

It has measured ("as long as use of private cars is not restricted") support from the Ref UK head of Derbyshire County Council.

A video presentation:
https://youtu.be/L7CisqbxSjY?t=676

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwywvrpv3xzo
I may be wrong, but I suspect this will just mean loads of empty buses cloging up the roads - I think that's been the fate of most similar initiatives.

That said, making the bus timetable work with the train times seems like common sense 101, which is presumably why we don't generally do it.
I'd recommend the presentation. They are very intentional about calling it "Mini Switzerland" (obvs the name is modelled on the Mini Holland active travel projects in London under Boris Johnson, rather than say "linked timetable project", as there is intended to be adoption of a number of ways Swiss Transport is run, and because Hope Valley is isolated with Sheffield at one end and GM at the other it is a good place to try. Plus there is upside as perhaps 1/3 of the population in those cities do not have motor vehicles.

Swiss methods they are embracing aiui include the bus waiting if the train is a few minutes wait, an hourly timetable throughout the day (extra services).

One interesting challenge is that according to someone at the online presentation who lives in Sheffield and walks in the Peaks often Sunday buses hardly exists in Derbyshire (it's the other end from me, so I don't know in detail; @bondegezou might know more).
Me? I don't even know where Derbyshire is. I'm a North Londoner. Events outside zone 6 baffle and confuse me.

Wait:

There are more than two zones?

Omnium · May 20

MarqueeMark said:
It's a coronation then.

Yep. A buffoon mesmerises the PLP, convinces them that they are all useless and he is Mr Wonder-shorts. Waved through, by the racing stewards, and we have the least worthy PM that any country has ever had. Poor old Truss, she's going to be so old news.

Who knows where it'll lead, but it's dead wrong as a process.

rcs1000 · May 20

Casino_Royale said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
Least he had some bollocks.

Did he inject saline in them?

solarflare · May 20

MarqueeMark said:
It's a coronation then.

Burnham still has to win the by-election for that.

Luckyguy1983 · May 20

I don't really see what Steeting gains from this. Far better to be the main rival, fight a clean fight, and earn a cabinet role as the standard bearer of the right. It's not like Burnham will ever trust him anyway.

Anyway, I see Kemi absolutely demolished Sir Russian Sympathiser on his anti-Aberdeen pro Rosneft oil and gas policy, and helped her party in the Aberdeen South by-election by so doing.

kinabalu · May 20

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.

He's still quite young though at 43.

eek · May 20

rcs1000 said:
FPT:

bondegezou said:

MattW said:

theProle said:

MattW said:
An interesting transport project which has been approved for the Hope Valley in teh Peak District.

"Hope Valley Mini Switzerland".

It's a 3 year experiment in integrated rural transport, coordinating Bus / Rail timetables as happens across Switzerland, and integrating ticketing. A slice of London or Manchester practice in a rural area. The process was that a former director of TFL, senior Manager in Chiltern Railways had an idea, developed the concept, advertised for areas interested, asked for Govt approval, and received it.

He knows how to do things, as it took little more than a year

It has measured ("as long as use of private cars is not restricted") support from the Ref UK head of Derbyshire County Council.

A video presentation:
https://youtu.be/L7CisqbxSjY?t=676

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwywvrpv3xzo
I may be wrong, but I suspect this will just mean loads of empty buses cloging up the roads - I think that's been the fate of most similar initiatives.

That said, making the bus timetable work with the train times seems like common sense 101, which is presumably why we don't generally do it.
I'd recommend the presentation. They are very intentional about calling it "Mini Switzerland" (obvs the name is modelled on the Mini Holland active travel projects in London under Boris Johnson, rather than say "linked timetable project", as there is intended to be adoption of a number of ways Swiss Transport is run, and because Hope Valley is isolated with Sheffield at one end and GM at the other it is a good place to try. Plus there is upside as perhaps 1/3 of the population in those cities do not have motor vehicles.

Swiss methods they are embracing aiui include the bus waiting if the train is a few minutes wait, an hourly timetable throughout the day (extra services).

One interesting challenge is that according to someone at the online presentation who lives in Sheffield and walks in the Peaks often Sunday buses hardly exists in Derbyshire (it's the other end from me, so I don't know in detail; @bondegezou might know more).
Me? I don't even know where Derbyshire is. I'm a North Londoner. Events outside zone 6 baffle and confuse me.
Wait:

There are more than two zones?

I was going to ask how do you get to / from Heathrow - then I remembered the (overpriced) Heathrow Express..

IanB2 · May 20

Yep. Wes won’t want to admit now that he’s thrown in the towel, but he’s hit his already low popularity within the party because of his self-centred actions over recent days, and it’s obvious that if Burnham wins the by-election convincingly, he will be unbeatable in any leadership contest, in which case both the Labour Party’s and the country’s interests point towards a quick coronation mid-summer, so that the government can get on with the job it is supposed to be doing.

Sunil_Prasannan · May 20

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.

Plenty of time left!

solarflare · May 20

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.

I'm taking this as a good sign for my own leadership hopes. Just have to actually get into politics now.

williamglenn · May 20

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.

He needs to learn from Farage and get a gig on I’m a Celebrity to recast his image.

Sunil_Prasannan · May 20

Casino_Royale said:
Always bet on black.

"Don't flatter yourself, Cutter. You prevented nothing. Although it seems I may have underestimated you!"

Sunil_Prasannan · May 20

eek said:

rcs1000 said:
FPT:

bondegezou said:

MattW said:

theProle said:

MattW said:
An interesting transport project which has been approved for the Hope Valley in teh Peak District.

"Hope Valley Mini Switzerland".

It's a 3 year experiment in integrated rural transport, coordinating Bus / Rail timetables as happens across Switzerland, and integrating ticketing. A slice of London or Manchester practice in a rural area. The process was that a former director of TFL, senior Manager in Chiltern Railways had an idea, developed the concept, advertised for areas interested, asked for Govt approval, and received it.

He knows how to do things, as it took little more than a year

It has measured ("as long as use of private cars is not restricted") support from the Ref UK head of Derbyshire County Council.

A video presentation:
https://youtu.be/L7CisqbxSjY?t=676

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwywvrpv3xzo
I may be wrong, but I suspect this will just mean loads of empty buses cloging up the roads - I think that's been the fate of most similar initiatives.

That said, making the bus timetable work with the train times seems like common sense 101, which is presumably why we don't generally do it.
I'd recommend the presentation. They are very intentional about calling it "Mini Switzerland" (obvs the name is modelled on the Mini Holland active travel projects in London under Boris Johnson, rather than say "linked timetable project", as there is intended to be adoption of a number of ways Swiss Transport is run, and because Hope Valley is isolated with Sheffield at one end and GM at the other it is a good place to try. Plus there is upside as perhaps 1/3 of the population in those cities do not have motor vehicles.

Swiss methods they are embracing aiui include the bus waiting if the train is a few minutes wait, an hourly timetable throughout the day (extra services).

One interesting challenge is that according to someone at the online presentation who lives in Sheffield and walks in the Peaks often Sunday buses hardly exists in Derbyshire (it's the other end from me, so I don't know in detail; @bondegezou might know more).
Me? I don't even know where Derbyshire is. I'm a North Londoner. Events outside zone 6 baffle and confuse me.
Wait:

There are more than two zones?
I was going to ask how do you get to / from Heathrow - then I remembered the (overpriced) Heathrow Express..

Try the Elizabeth Line next time.

eek · May 20

Sunil_Prasannan said:

eek said:

rcs1000 said:
FPT:

bondegezou said:

MattW said:

theProle said:

MattW said:
An interesting transport project which has been approved for the Hope Valley in teh Peak District.

"Hope Valley Mini Switzerland".

It's a 3 year experiment in integrated rural transport, coordinating Bus / Rail timetables as happens across Switzerland, and integrating ticketing. A slice of London or Manchester practice in a rural area. The process was that a former director of TFL, senior Manager in Chiltern Railways had an idea, developed the concept, advertised for areas interested, asked for Govt approval, and received it.

He knows how to do things, as it took little more than a year

It has measured ("as long as use of private cars is not restricted") support from the Ref UK head of Derbyshire County Council.

A video presentation:
https://youtu.be/L7CisqbxSjY?t=676

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwywvrpv3xzo
I may be wrong, but I suspect this will just mean loads of empty buses cloging up the roads - I think that's been the fate of most similar initiatives.

That said, making the bus timetable work with the train times seems like common sense 101, which is presumably why we don't generally do it.
I'd recommend the presentation. They are very intentional about calling it "Mini Switzerland" (obvs the name is modelled on the Mini Holland active travel projects in London under Boris Johnson, rather than say "linked timetable project", as there is intended to be adoption of a number of ways Swiss Transport is run, and because Hope Valley is isolated with Sheffield at one end and GM at the other it is a good place to try. Plus there is upside as perhaps 1/3 of the population in those cities do not have motor vehicles.

Swiss methods they are embracing aiui include the bus waiting if the train is a few minutes wait, an hourly timetable throughout the day (extra services).

One interesting challenge is that according to someone at the online presentation who lives in Sheffield and walks in the Peaks often Sunday buses hardly exists in Derbyshire (it's the other end from me, so I don't know in detail; @bondegezou might know more).
Me? I don't even know where Derbyshire is. I'm a North Londoner. Events outside zone 6 baffle and confuse me.
Wait:

There are more than two zones?
I was going to ask how do you get to / from Heathrow - then I remembered the (overpriced) Heathrow Express..
Try the Elizabeth Line next time.

I'm working on the basis that only zones 1 and 2 exist, that can't be the case if you use the Lizzie line.

kinabalu · May 20

Sunil_Prasannan said:

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.
Plenty of time left!

You'd hope so. He's only about 9 in cat years, which is how old ours is. And he's got lots of energy and ideas, that's clear to anybody. So has Wes.

kinabalu · May 20

williamglenn said:

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.
He needs to learn from Farage and get a gig on I’m a Celebrity to recast his image.

Also a great way to get on the housing ladder.

Sunil_Prasannan · May 20

eek said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

eek said:

rcs1000 said:
FPT:

bondegezou said:

MattW said:

theProle said:

MattW said:
An interesting transport project which has been approved for the Hope Valley in teh Peak District.

"Hope Valley Mini Switzerland".

It's a 3 year experiment in integrated rural transport, coordinating Bus / Rail timetables as happens across Switzerland, and integrating ticketing. A slice of London or Manchester practice in a rural area. The process was that a former director of TFL, senior Manager in Chiltern Railways had an idea, developed the concept, advertised for areas interested, asked for Govt approval, and received it.

He knows how to do things, as it took little more than a year

It has measured ("as long as use of private cars is not restricted") support from the Ref UK head of Derbyshire County Council.

A video presentation:
https://youtu.be/L7CisqbxSjY?t=676

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwywvrpv3xzo
I may be wrong, but I suspect this will just mean loads of empty buses cloging up the roads - I think that's been the fate of most similar initiatives.

That said, making the bus timetable work with the train times seems like common sense 101, which is presumably why we don't generally do it.
I'd recommend the presentation. They are very intentional about calling it "Mini Switzerland" (obvs the name is modelled on the Mini Holland active travel projects in London under Boris Johnson, rather than say "linked timetable project", as there is intended to be adoption of a number of ways Swiss Transport is run, and because Hope Valley is isolated with Sheffield at one end and GM at the other it is a good place to try. Plus there is upside as perhaps 1/3 of the population in those cities do not have motor vehicles.

Swiss methods they are embracing aiui include the bus waiting if the train is a few minutes wait, an hourly timetable throughout the day (extra services).

One interesting challenge is that according to someone at the online presentation who lives in Sheffield and walks in the Peaks often Sunday buses hardly exists in Derbyshire (it's the other end from me, so I don't know in detail; @bondegezou might know more).
Me? I don't even know where Derbyshire is. I'm a North Londoner. Events outside zone 6 baffle and confuse me.
Wait:

There are more than two zones?
I was going to ask how do you get to / from Heathrow - then I remembered the (overpriced) Heathrow Express..
Try the Elizabeth Line next time.
I'm working on the basis that only zones 1 and 2 exist, that can't be the case if you use the Lizzie line.

Lizzie Line passes through both.

bigjohnowls · May 20

Oh how we laughed all the WS backers that i tried to save money for

kle4 · May 20

solarflare said:

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.
I'm taking this as a good sign for my own leadership hopes. Just have to actually get into politics now.

If you're currently running a central bank you could do a Carney.

BatteryCorrectHorse · May 20

Heh I said this days ago!

BatteryCorrectHorse · May 20

Burnham to back Mahmood on immigration and keep her in place. Sensible move.

solarflare · May 20

kle4 said:

solarflare said:

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.
I'm taking this as a good sign for my own leadership hopes. Just have to actually get into politics now.
If you're currently running a central bank you could do a Carney.

I might do them both at the same time, if noone objects. I'm sure that will be fine.

Taz · May 20

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Burnham to back Mahmood on immigration and keep her in place. Sensible move.

Even the fair and sensible ILR changes ?

carnforth · May 20

williamglenn said:

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.
He needs to learn from Farage and get a gig on I’m a Celebrity to recast his image.

New band: Wes The Streets.

Foss · May 20

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Burnham to back Mahmood on immigration and keep her in place. Sensible move.

That's inline with the YouGov/Labour members polling from earlier.

Foxy · May 20

carnforth said:

williamglenn said:

kinabalu said:

Northern_Al said:
Wes's resignation speech in the Commons today was very good.
However, his leadership ambitions are over for now, and probably for ever.
He's still quite young though at 43.
He needs to learn from Farage and get a gig on I’m a Celebrity to recast his image.
New band: Wes The Streets.

Wes Life.

williamglenn · May 20

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Burnham to back Mahmood on immigration and keep her in place. Sensible move.

So Burnham is the Labour right's Mancunian Candidate.

bigjohnowls · May 20

Casino_Royale said:
Always bet on black.

Unless Diane Abbott stands against Andy Burnham for PM

carnforth · May 20

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Burnham to back Mahmood on immigration and keep her in place. Sensible move.

Read that as keep her in her place. Snapped out of it.

IanB2 · May 20

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Burnham to back Mahmood on immigration and keep her in place. Sensible move.

As recommended by me a week or so back

Sunil_Prasannan · May 20

williamglenn said:

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Burnham to back Mahmood on immigration and keep her in place. Sensible move.
So Burnham is the Labour right's Mancunian Candidate.

With Mascara and a skimpy Everton kit.

RandallFlagg · May 20

BatteryCorrectHorse said:
Burnham to back Mahmood on immigration and keep her in place. Sensible move.

Southam Observer won't be happy.

bigjohnowls · May 20

Burnham starting to look kike continuity SKS with a common people personality.

Couldn't vote Labour in this By Election would have to waste a vote on Greens

rcs1000 · May 20

eek said:

rcs1000 said:
FPT:

bondegezou said:

MattW said:

theProle said:

MattW said:
An interesting transport project which has been approved for the Hope Valley in teh Peak District.

"Hope Valley Mini Switzerland".

It's a 3 year experiment in integrated rural transport, coordinating Bus / Rail timetables as happens across Switzerland, and integrating ticketing. A slice of London or Manchester practice in a rural area. The process was that a former director of TFL, senior Manager in Chiltern Railways had an idea, developed the concept, advertised for areas interested, asked for Govt approval, and received it.

He knows how to do things, as it took little more than a year

It has measured ("as long as use of private cars is not restricted") support from the Ref UK head of Derbyshire County Council.

A video presentation:
https://youtu.be/L7CisqbxSjY?t=676

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwywvrpv3xzo
I may be wrong, but I suspect this will just mean loads of empty buses cloging up the roads - I think that's been the fate of most similar initiatives.

That said, making the bus timetable work with the train times seems like common sense 101, which is presumably why we don't generally do it.
I'd recommend the presentation. They are very intentional about calling it "Mini Switzerland" (obvs the name is modelled on the Mini Holland active travel projects in London under Boris Johnson, rather than say "linked timetable project", as there is intended to be adoption of a number of ways Swiss Transport is run, and because Hope Valley is isolated with Sheffield at one end and GM at the other it is a good place to try. Plus there is upside as perhaps 1/3 of the population in those cities do not have motor vehicles.

Swiss methods they are embracing aiui include the bus waiting if the train is a few minutes wait, an hourly timetable throughout the day (extra services).

One interesting challenge is that according to someone at the online presentation who lives in Sheffield and walks in the Peaks often Sunday buses hardly exists in Derbyshire (it's the other end from me, so I don't know in detail; @bondegezou might know more).
Me? I don't even know where Derbyshire is. I'm a North Londoner. Events outside zone 6 baffle and confuse me.
Wait:

There are more than two zones?
I was going to ask how do you get to / from Heathrow - then I remembered the (overpriced) Heathrow Express..

Being real for a second, it's a five minute walk to Tottenham Court Road, then a 35 minute ride on the Elizabeth Line.

dixiedean · May 20

Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!

Taz · May 20

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!

Tories do, it was on Twitter.

https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2057162798971375706?s=61

dixiedean · May 20

Taz said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
Tories do, it was on Twitter.

https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2057162798971375706?s=61

Not only is he local.
He's actually named after one of the wards!
Stakes are being raised!!!

dixiedean · May 20

Greens desperately trawling for a guy named Bryn Ashton.

StillWaters · May 20

Luckyguy1983 said:
I don't really see what Steeting gains from this. Far better to be the main rival, fight a clean fight, and earn a cabinet role as the standard bearer of the right. It's not like Burnham will ever trust him anyway.

Anyway, I see Kemi absolutely demolished Sir Russian Sympathiser on his anti-Aberdeen pro Rosneft oil and gas policy, and helped her party in the Aberdeen South by-election by so doing.

Because if he gets pummelled into the ground which he might be (“need to show unity boys”) then he loses all credibility and leverage

kinabalu · May 20

dixiedean said:

Taz said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
Tories do, it was on Twitter.

https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2057162798971375706?s=61
Not only is he local.
He's actually named after one of the wards!
Stakes are being raised!!!

Irony central: Everybody straining to be Local in a by-election that is more about the National than any in memory.

StillWaters · May 20

bigjohnowls said:
Burnham starting to look kike continuity SKS with a common people personality.

Couldn't vote Labour in this By Election would have to waste a vote on Greens

I believe that autocorrect is based on your frequently used words, in which case your typo in the above post is disturbing.

I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was a typo mind.

williamglenn · May 20

dixiedean said:
Greens desperately trawling for a guy named Bryn Ashton.

- I've got good news and bad news, Zack.
- What's the good news?
- We found someone named after one of the wards.
- What's the bad news?
- She's called Myra Hindley.

dixiedean · May 20

kinabalu said:

dixiedean said:

Taz said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
Tories do, it was on Twitter.

https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2057162798971375706?s=61
Not only is he local.
He's actually named after one of the wards!
Stakes are being raised!!!
Irony central: Everybody straining to be Local in a by-election that is more about the National than any in memory.

Indeed.
The Tory was born and grew up over a corner shop in Ashton.

StillWaters · May 20

dixiedean said:

Taz said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
Tories do, it was on Twitter.

https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2057162798971375706?s=61
Not only is he local.
He's actually named after one of the wards!
Stakes are being raised!!!

Not a proper Tory then.

If he was then the ward would be named after him!

dixiedean · May 20

The Lib Dems are going to have to go for someone conceived at Seven Sisters dogging site.

Leon_VotedForStarmer · May 20

Good grief

"PA: A retrial jury has been discharged at Liverpool Crown Court after it failed to reach verdicts over allegations that Mohammed Fahir Amaaz, 21, and Muhammad Amaad, 26, assaulted a police officer at Manchester Airport."

They broke her nose, on video, with a brutal punch

https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2057126451208503750?s=20

SandyRentool · May 20

eek said:

rcs1000 said:
FPT:

bondegezou said:

MattW said:

theProle said:

MattW said:
An interesting transport project which has been approved for the Hope Valley in teh Peak District.

"Hope Valley Mini Switzerland".

It's a 3 year experiment in integrated rural transport, coordinating Bus / Rail timetables as happens across Switzerland, and integrating ticketing. A slice of London or Manchester practice in a rural area. The process was that a former director of TFL, senior Manager in Chiltern Railways had an idea, developed the concept, advertised for areas interested, asked for Govt approval, and received it.

He knows how to do things, as it took little more than a year

It has measured ("as long as use of private cars is not restricted") support from the Ref UK head of Derbyshire County Council.

A video presentation:
https://youtu.be/L7CisqbxSjY?t=676

BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwywvrpv3xzo
I may be wrong, but I suspect this will just mean loads of empty buses cloging up the roads - I think that's been the fate of most similar initiatives.

That said, making the bus timetable work with the train times seems like common sense 101, which is presumably why we don't generally do it.
I'd recommend the presentation. They are very intentional about calling it "Mini Switzerland" (obvs the name is modelled on the Mini Holland active travel projects in London under Boris Johnson, rather than say "linked timetable project", as there is intended to be adoption of a number of ways Swiss Transport is run, and because Hope Valley is isolated with Sheffield at one end and GM at the other it is a good place to try. Plus there is upside as perhaps 1/3 of the population in those cities do not have motor vehicles.

Swiss methods they are embracing aiui include the bus waiting if the train is a few minutes wait, an hourly timetable throughout the day (extra services).

One interesting challenge is that according to someone at the online presentation who lives in Sheffield and walks in the Peaks often Sunday buses hardly exists in Derbyshire (it's the other end from me, so I don't know in detail; @bondegezou might know more).
Me? I don't even know where Derbyshire is. I'm a North Londoner. Events outside zone 6 baffle and confuse me.
Wait:

There are more than two zones?
I was going to ask how do you get to / from Heathrow - then I remembered the (overpriced) Heathrow Express..

Train from Euston to Manchester, train to Manchester Airport, fly to Heathrow.

Luckyguy1983 · May 20

StillWaters said:

Luckyguy1983 said:
I don't really see what Steeting gains from this. Far better to be the main rival, fight a clean fight, and earn a cabinet role as the standard bearer of the right. It's not like Burnham will ever trust him anyway.

Anyway, I see Kemi absolutely demolished Sir Russian Sympathiser on his anti-Aberdeen pro Rosneft oil and gas policy, and helped her party in the Aberdeen South by-election by so doing.
Because if he gets pummelled into the ground which he might be (“need to show unity boys”) then he loses all credibility and leverage

I don't think that would happen. It would not look good for a progressive party to give a risibly tiny number of votes to their first openly gay leadership candidate.

StillWaters · May 20

Luckyguy1983 said:

StillWaters said:

Luckyguy1983 said:
I don't really see what Steeting gains from this. Far better to be the main rival, fight a clean fight, and earn a cabinet role as the standard bearer of the right. It's not like Burnham will ever trust him anyway.

Anyway, I see Kemi absolutely demolished Sir Russian Sympathiser on his anti-Aberdeen pro Rosneft oil and gas policy, and helped her party in the Aberdeen South by-election by so doing.
Because if he gets pummelled into the ground which he might be (“need to show unity boys”) then he loses all credibility and leverage
I don't think that would happen. It would not look good for a progressive party to give a risibly tiny number of votes to their first openly gay leadership candidate.

Luckyguy, meet Labour. Labour, meet luckyguy

SandyRentool · May 20

MarqueeMark said:
It's a coronation then.

Coronation, not Streeting.

Taz · May 20

dixiedean said:
The Lib Dems are going to have to go for someone conceived at Seven Sisters dogging site.

I just made the mistake of googling that !!!!

There used to be a dogging site in the woods near where I live. The council blocked off the car park.

Leon_VotedForStarmer · May 20

On the upside, I approve of Andy Messiah backing Mahmood. We need 4-5m people to leave the country, in the next few years

This is the crucial first step, reversing the Boriswave

Nice one, Andy. I may end up liking him

IanB2 · May 20

StillWaters said:

Luckyguy1983 said:
I don't really see what Steeting gains from this. Far better to be the main rival, fight a clean fight, and earn a cabinet role as the standard bearer of the right. It's not like Burnham will ever trust him anyway.

Anyway, I see Kemi absolutely demolished Sir Russian Sympathiser on his anti-Aberdeen pro Rosneft oil and gas policy, and helped her party in the Aberdeen South by-election by so doing.
Because if he gets pummelled into the ground which he might be (“need to show unity boys”) then he loses all credibility and leverage

Cf. One Liz Kendall 4%

kinabalu · May 20

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
Good grief

"PA: A retrial jury has been discharged at Liverpool Crown Court after it failed to reach verdicts over allegations that Mohammed Fahir Amaaz, 21, and Muhammad Amaad, 26, assaulted a police officer at Manchester Airport."

They broke her nose, on video, with a brutal punch

https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2057126451208503750?s=20

Well you are one of those frothing about the proposal to limit jury trials as being a sickening and shameful assault on the Magna Carta.

Rough with the smooth.

Foxy · May 20

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!

This is a local contest for local people.

Luckyguy1983 · May 20

kinabalu said:

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
Good grief

"PA: A retrial jury has been discharged at Liverpool Crown Court after it failed to reach verdicts over allegations that Mohammed Fahir Amaaz, 21, and Muhammad Amaad, 26, assaulted a police officer at Manchester Airport."

They broke her nose, on video, with a brutal punch

https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2057126451208503750?s=20
Well you are one of those frothing about the proposal to limit jury trials as being a sickening and shameful assault on the Magna Carta.

Rough with the smooth.

A Twitter user on that thread says they've already bee convicted of assault on the WPC, this is about assault on the firearms officer. Not sure if true but it seems important if so.

Leon_VotedForStarmer · May 20

kinabalu said:

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
Good grief

"PA: A retrial jury has been discharged at Liverpool Crown Court after it failed to reach verdicts over allegations that Mohammed Fahir Amaaz, 21, and Muhammad Amaad, 26, assaulted a police officer at Manchester Airport."

They broke her nose, on video, with a brutal punch

https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2057126451208503750?s=20
Well you are one of those frothing about the proposal to limit jury trials as being a sickening and shameful assault on the Magna Carta.

Rough with the smooth.

Have I said we must abandon jury trials? No. I have expressed surprise and dismay at this jury being unable to convict on very obvious evidence

That said, I do have grave concerns that jury trials will not be feasible in the future, as the Ulsterisation of the country continues, and we head towards civil strife (almost inevitable, unless Reform wins in 2029). Blacks will not convict blacks (we already see this), Muslims will not convict Muslims, and eventually - soon, I suspect - whites will not convict whites. In the end you have to abandon jury trials, as they did in Ulster

kinabalu · May 20

IanB2 said:

StillWaters said:

Luckyguy1983 said:
I don't really see what Steeting gains from this. Far better to be the main rival, fight a clean fight, and earn a cabinet role as the standard bearer of the right. It's not like Burnham will ever trust him anyway.

Anyway, I see Kemi absolutely demolished Sir Russian Sympathiser on his anti-Aberdeen pro Rosneft oil and gas policy, and helped her party in the Aberdeen South by-election by so doing.
Because if he gets pummelled into the ground which he might be (“need to show unity boys”) then he loses all credibility and leverage
Cf. One Liz Kendall 4%

I think Wes would clear that.

dixiedean · May 20

It's not Seven Sisters it's Three Sisters dogging.
Seven was a marketing ploy.

Luckyguy1983 · May 20

StillWaters said:

bigjohnowls said:
Burnham starting to look kike continuity SKS with a common people personality.

Couldn't vote Labour in this By Election would have to waste a vote on Greens
I believe that autocorrect is based on your frequently used words, in which case your typo in the above post is disturbing.

I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was a typo mind.

K is right next to L on a phone keypad.

rottenborough · May 20

Ed M is 14.

Got to be value.

If the plumber with Facebook friends bloke beats Andy B then it surely will be Miliband?

kinabalu · May 20

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:

kinabalu said:

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
Good grief

"PA: A retrial jury has been discharged at Liverpool Crown Court after it failed to reach verdicts over allegations that Mohammed Fahir Amaaz, 21, and Muhammad Amaad, 26, assaulted a police officer at Manchester Airport."

They broke her nose, on video, with a brutal punch

https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2057126451208503750?s=20
Well you are one of those frothing about the proposal to limit jury trials as being a sickening and shameful assault on the Magna Carta.

Rough with the smooth.
Have I said we must abandon jury trials? No. I have expressed surprise and dismay at this jury being unable to convict on very obvious evidence

That said, I do have grave concerns that jury trials will not be feasible in the future, as the Ulsterisation of the country continues, and we head towards civil strife (almost inevitable, unless Reform wins in 2029). Blacks will not convict blacks (we already see this), Muslims will not convict Muslims, and eventually - soon, I suspect - whites will not convict whites. In the end you have to abandon jury trials, as they did in Ulster

No, the opposite. You've said having fewer jury trials per Lammy is the most treacherous and appalling of suggestions.

Or if you haven't I must have missed it.

DavidL · May 20

2 absolutely sensational goals by Aston Villa against Freiberg. Seriously, watch the highlights at half time. Outstanding.

Leon_VotedForStarmer · May 20

rottenborough said:
Ed M is 14.

Got to be value.

If the plumber with Facebook friends bloke beats Andy B then it surely will be Miliband?

That is pretty good value

I now have AB at 60% chance to win in Makerfield - I've nudged it up after the recent polls showing AB beating Reform as leader and Reform falling back a tad, anyway

But still, just 60%

As you imply, even if he fails I still cannot see Starmer hanging on, for long. His authority is utterly shot and he would surely only last a few weeks/months. Wes has banjaxed himself. Rayner is highly questionable. So Miliband E becomes the likeliest winner

VALUE

williamglenn · May 20

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:

rottenborough said:
Ed M is 14.

Got to be value.

If the plumber with Facebook friends bloke beats Andy B then it surely will be Miliband?
That is pretty good value

I now have AB at 60% chance to win in Makerfield - I've nudged it up after the recent polls showing AB beating Reform as leader and Reform falling back a tad, anyway

But still, just 60%

As you imply, even if he fails I still cannot see Starmer hanging on, for long. His authority is utterly shot and he would surely only last a few weeks/months. Wes has banjaxed himself. Rayner is highly questionable. So Miliband E becomes the likeliest winner

VALUE

It was pointed out that in that poll, the Reform vote holds up pretty well - the Burnham effect is mainly in consolidating the left wing vote and in a seat like Makerfield, it still might not be enough.

Leon_VotedForStarmer · May 20

ON topic, after a dreary couple of weeks, it looks like all of western Europe (except northern England and Scotland) is about to get a SPECTACULAR heatwave

Could see a lot of records broken, for May

Sunil_Prasannan · May 20

rottenborough said:
Ed M is 14.

Got to be value.

If the plumber with Facebook friends bloke beats Andy B then it surely will be Miliband?

Cameron 331 seats
Miliband 232 Seats

kjh · May 20

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:

kinabalu said:

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
Good grief

"PA: A retrial jury has been discharged at Liverpool Crown Court after it failed to reach verdicts over allegations that Mohammed Fahir Amaaz, 21, and Muhammad Amaad, 26, assaulted a police officer at Manchester Airport."

They broke her nose, on video, with a brutal punch

https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2057126451208503750?s=20
Well you are one of those frothing about the proposal to limit jury trials as being a sickening and shameful assault on the Magna Carta.

Rough with the smooth.
Have I said we must abandon jury trials? No. I have expressed surprise and dismay at this jury being unable to convict on very obvious evidence

That said, I do have grave concerns that jury trials will not be feasible in the future, as the Ulsterisation of the country continues, and we head towards civil strife (almost inevitable, unless Reform wins in 2029). Blacks will not convict blacks (we already see this), Muslims will not convict Muslims, and eventually - soon, I suspect - whites will not convict whites. In the end you have to abandon jury trials, as they did in Ulster

As usual facts seem to escape you. You just read twitter and rubbish like Guido Fawkes and don't bother to check the accuracy as you have been doing endlessly over the last few days and more.

He was convicted nearly a year ago of that assault. In fact he was found guilty of 2 counts of actual bodily harm and also common assault. This case was with regard to another officer. A male officer.

Andy_JS · May 20

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
ON topic, after a dreary couple of weeks, it looks like all of western Europe (except northern England and Scotland) is about to get a SPECTACULAR heatwave

Could see a lot of records broken, for May

It's bloody freezing at the moment so it could be a bit weird to go that high so suddenly.

Sunil_Prasannan · May 20

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
This is a local contest for local people.

There's NOTHING for YOU here!

rottenborough · May 20

Talarico is +4 vs Paxton in Texas says CNN.

Foxy · May 20

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
This is a local contest for local people.
There's NOTHING for YOU here!

I was born in Wigan!

MarqueeMark · May 20

DavidL said:
2 absolutely sensational goals by Aston Villa against Freiberg. Seriously, watch the highlights at half time. Outstanding.

Yep. Worthy of European silverware.

LostPassword · May 20

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
ON topic, after a dreary couple of weeks, it looks like all of western Europe (except northern England and Scotland) is about to get a SPECTACULAR heatwave

Could see a lot of records broken, for May

Except Ireland too. I'm travelling over for my Dad's 80th, so it's forecast to be 14 degrees Kelvin warmer when I arrive in London than when I leave Cork.

My wife says that I'm basically taking a sun holiday - to London!

Global warming, eh. Gotta laugh.

Andy_JS · May 20

Goodness me.

"GB Politics
@GBPolitcs

🚨NEW: Betting activity on the Makerfield by-election since markets opened shows the following shares:

- Restore Britain: 51%
- Labour: 23%
- Reform: 23%
- Green: 2%
- Conservatives: 1%"

https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2056772642586107973

Sunil_Prasannan · May 20

rottenborough said:
Talarico is +4 vs Paxton in Texas says CNN.

Game over, man! Game over!

BatteryCorrectHorse · May 20

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
On the upside, I approve of Andy Messiah backing Mahmood. We need 4-5m people to leave the country, in the next few years

This is the crucial first step, reversing the Boriswave

Nice one, Andy. I may end up liking him

Kiss of death.

dixiedean · May 20

Foxy said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
This is a local contest for local people.
There's NOTHING for YOU here!
I was born in Wigan!

But were you born in Makerfield?
We don't want any Incers or Shevington coming in with their fancy exotic ways

dixiedean · May 20

Andy_JS said:
Goodness me.

"GB Politics
@GBPolitcs

🚨NEW: Betting activity on the Makerfield by-election since markets opened shows the following shares:

- Restore Britain: 51%
- Labour: 23%
- Reform: 23%
- Green: 2%
- Conservatives: 1%"

https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2056772642586107973

Creates a narrative for the terminally thick Online.
Will laugh my tits off if Reform lose because of it.

Foxy · May 20

dixiedean said:

Foxy said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
This is a local contest for local people.
There's NOTHING for YOU here!
I was born in Wigan!

But were you born in Makerfield?
We don't want any Incers or Shevington coming in with their fancy exotic ways

At the Christopher Home Maternity Unit. So a couple of miles away

dixiedean · May 20

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:

Foxy said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
This is a local contest for local people.
There's NOTHING for YOU here!
I was born in Wigan!

But were you born in Makerfield?
We don't want any Incers or Shevington coming in with their fancy exotic ways
At the Christopher Home Maternity Unit. So a couple of miles away

Oh what?
Me too!

DoctorG · May 20

Pardon me for asking a silly question, what happens if Burnham loses the by election?

Do all Lab MPs sit there all supine and say this is fine, lets carry on 3 more years with SKS

Starmer is sitting in number 10 right now like a team captain on the Crystal Maze who got locked in one of the games, powerless to act, will the rest of his team mates (the cabinet) bail him out?

Taz · May 20

dixiedean said:
It's not Seven Sisters it's Three Sisters dogging.
Seven was a marketing ploy.

The Brontë Sisters appear in a new light.

SandyRentool · May 20

dixiedean said:

Foxy said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:
Do the Greens, Tories and LD's have candidates yet?
God forbid one of them be from Bolton!
This is a local contest for local people.
There's NOTHING for YOU here!
I was born in Wigan!

But were you born in Makerfield?
We don't want any Incers or Shevington coming in with their fancy exotic ways

We had a discussion on local candidates yesterday. Unless you are prepared to disclose your home address, the ballot paper just says "Address in Bradford", so no indication that you live in the ward you are standing in (if you do).

HYUFD · May 20

The Yougov Labour members poll with Burnham miles ahead and the More in Common poll today with a Burnham led Labour beating Reform effectively have ended Streeting's leadership ambitions. His team have clearly realised that even if he hasn't yet.

Even if Burnham lost the by election the Labour members poll has Starmer beating Streeting anyway

BatteryCorrectHorse · May 20

For a man who doesn’t like Andy Burnham apparently, Starmer seems to have done a lot in recent weeks to deliver him the premiership. He could have resigned at any time and prevented Burnham from taking over.

HYUFD · May 20

williamglenn said:

Leon_VotedForStarmer said:

rottenborough said:
Ed M is 14.

Got to be value.

If the plumber with Facebook friends bloke beats Andy B then it surely will be Miliband?
That is pretty good value

I now have AB at 60% chance to win in Makerfield - I've nudged it up after the recent polls showing AB beating Reform as leader and Reform falling back a tad, anyway

But still, just 60%

As you imply, even if he fails I still cannot see Starmer hanging on, for long. His authority is utterly shot and he would surely only last a few weeks/months. Wes has banjaxed himself. Rayner is highly questionable. So Miliband E becomes the likeliest winner

VALUE
It was pointed out that in that poll, the Reform vote holds up pretty well - the Burnham effect is mainly in consolidating the left wing vote and in a seat like Makerfield, it still might not be enough.

Reform vote down 2% too in that
poll to a Burnham led Labour. Only
Kemi and the Conservatives see their voteshare up against Burnham

Foxy · May 20

DoctorG said:
Pardon me for asking a silly question, what happens if Burnham loses the by election?

Do all Lab MPs sit there all supine and say this is fine, lets carry on 3 more years with SKS

Starmer is sitting in number 10 right now like a team captain on the Crystal Maze who got locked in one of the games, powerless to act, will the rest of his team mates (the cabinet) bail him out?

If Burnham flops Rayner gets the gig.

FeersumEnjineeya · May 20

DavidL said:
2 absolutely sensational goals by Aston Villa against Freiberg. Seriously, watch the highlights at half time. Outstanding.

Another huge cheer has just erupted from the pub down the road, so I'm guessing that's another one.

rottenborough · May 20

MarqueeMark said:

DavidL said:
2 absolutely sensational goals by Aston Villa against Freiberg. Seriously, watch the highlights at half time. Outstanding.
Yep. Worthy of European silverware.

Three now

rottenborough · May 20

Barak Ravid
@BarakRavid
Translated from Hebrew

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https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/2057184594147905709

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