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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,200
    Brixian59 said:

    Cyclefree said:



    HYUFD said:

    Burnham's double whammy

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2056769036390633863

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham won’t commit to keeping Labour’s manifesto promises on tax and has opened the door to new tax rises if he becomes PM.

    His decision to back the current fiscal rules wins him a reprieve from markets, but it limits his options to fund policies like council house-building. It raises the prospect of tax hikes.

    Confirmation Burnham would restore the 50% additional rate income tax rate the Brown government introduced and Osborne scrapped. A Burnham government would also revise council tax bands to hit wealthy property owners more
    Do voters get a say in any of this? We elected Labour less than two years ago on a manifesto.

    If Labour MPs now want to fanny about implementing a completely different manifesto just to indulge the ego of someone who has not been an MP for the last 9 years and whose record as Mayor is rather less stellar than the PR spin would have you believe, then they should call an election and let us decide. The arrogant entitlement is sickening.
    Name the last Tory Government to follow manifesto.

    It's a fallacy.
    David Cameron said if he was replaced by his chief rival it would lead to total chaos.

    Well, he was right.

    Does that sort of count?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,558
    edited May 19

    kinabalu said:

    Dementia tax moment incoming:

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2056760536084185405

    EXCL: Andy Burnham’s team is working on a plan for his first 100 days in government in the event that he wins a crunch by-election and replaces Keir Starmer, three people tell me

    The plan is in its early stages but is likely to include reforms to the creaking social care system

    Not if he's already there and got 3 years.
    You underestimate his ability to U-turn.
    Steady on, he hasn't got the car on the road yet. You have to be moving before thinking about turning around.

    Exciting times though. Switching metaphors I think what he'll be doing is pitching a tent. He'll pitch it and he'll say "Come on in. There's loads of room. Don't worry, Keir's not here."

    Then it's a question of who takes up the invitation and who chooses to stay out in the cold and rain.

    What about you, William? Will you enter Andy's tent? It'll be nice if you do.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,200
    edited May 19
    Foss said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The Senedd have given each member two £2000 laptops and offered a £1000 phone on top. That's approximately £300k all together on devices used primarily for Google Chrome.

    https://x.com/Cai_ParryJones/status/2056766731717083262?s=20

    After conversion this morning....Windows Surface laptops.....absolutely disgraceful.....

    His maths is surely bollocks. 5k times 96 does not equal 300k. Has the silly twat not noticed the increase from 60 members?

    If anything it makes his point better as well…
    I actually not sure those laptop are £2k each. I think you can get a run of the mill Surface Latop for just over £1000 and I would hope they have got a bulk buy discount. The joke was more about buying Windows machines.
    I wasn’t getting at you, sorry if that wasn’t clear!

    They cost about £900 plus VAT for run of the mill although high spec ones can nudge £1500.

    Ironically his overall figure might actually be quite close to correct if so!
    Monitors and other accessories?
    He just said laptops.

    I’m assuming one is for the member and the other for the members PA. Otherwise they would be better with MacBook Air and iPad Pro.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,777
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Southampton booted out of play off final

    Who takes their place ?
    The Smoggies.
    That's Hartlepool - Boro are in the final.
    Hartlepool are the monkey hangers.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,571
    kinabalu said:

    The only way to confront the triple lock would be be for Andy Burnham (as PM), Kemi as LotO and Sir Ed Davey to agree jointly to end it.

    "The country can't afford it - and we are being serious about addressing the issues facing the country."

    Plaid and SNP can be asked to join.

    Do it now. Show savings to be invested in the NHS before the next election.

    Farage will huff and puff that he is standing up for the pensioners. But will face the charge that he he shows no interest in sorting out the national finances. From all quarters.

    I think we know what Kemi will say if Andy moots the ending of the triple lock.

    But, yes, in theory it's good.
    Frankly that bollocks.

    If any Leader wants to change it they can try.

    Manifestos are an old joke

  • berberian_knowsberberian_knows Posts: 204
    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    You have to wonder what grounds they're going to appeal on tbh given they admitted to the spying.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533
    Cyclefree said:



    HYUFD said:

    Burnham's double whammy

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2056769036390633863

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham won’t commit to keeping Labour’s manifesto promises on tax and has opened the door to new tax rises if he becomes PM.

    His decision to back the current fiscal rules wins him a reprieve from markets, but it limits his options to fund policies like council house-building. It raises the prospect of tax hikes.

    Confirmation Burnham would restore the 50% additional rate income tax rate the Brown government introduced and Osborne scrapped. A Burnham government would also revise council tax bands to hit wealthy property owners more
    Do voters get a say in any of this? We elected Labour less than two years ago on a manifesto.

    If Labour MPs now want to fanny about implementing a completely different manifesto just to indulge the ego of someone who has not been an MP for the last 9 years and whose record as Mayor is rather less stellar than the PR spin would have you believe, then they should call an election and let us decide. The arrogant entitlement is sickening.
    Thats completely over reading his comments. Burnham specifically said he wasn't going to comment on tax policy.

    So wait and see. The truth is boring sometimes.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238
    Interesting Ch4 News. Mark Drakeford saying Starmer should go. Quite surprising and Richard Tice reminding everyone what they loathe about Reform. 'The people of Makerfield like successful people like Nigel You can see it on the doorsteps'
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,558
    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    The only way to confront the triple lock would be be for Andy Burnham (as PM), Kemi as LotO and Sir Ed Davey to agree jointly to end it.

    "The country can't afford it - and we are being serious about addressing the issues facing the country."

    Plaid and SNP can be asked to join.

    Do it now. Show savings to be invested in the NHS before the next election.

    Farage will huff and puff that he is standing up for the pensioners. But will face the charge that he he shows no interest in sorting out the national finances. From all quarters.

    I think we know what Kemi will say if Andy moots the ending of the triple lock.

    But, yes, in theory it's good.
    Frankly that bollocks.

    If any Leader wants to change it they can try.

    Manifestos are an old joke
    People voted for change and they got it. Now they're getting another one. So that's double bubble.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    Brixian59 said:

    Cyclefree said:



    HYUFD said:

    Burnham's double whammy

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2056769036390633863

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham won’t commit to keeping Labour’s manifesto promises on tax and has opened the door to new tax rises if he becomes PM.

    His decision to back the current fiscal rules wins him a reprieve from markets, but it limits his options to fund policies like council house-building. It raises the prospect of tax hikes.

    Confirmation Burnham would restore the 50% additional rate income tax rate the Brown government introduced and Osborne scrapped. A Burnham government would also revise council tax bands to hit wealthy property owners more
    Do voters get a say in any of this? We elected Labour less than two years ago on a manifesto.

    If Labour MPs now want to fanny about implementing a completely different manifesto just to indulge the ego of someone who has not been an MP for the last 9 years and whose record as Mayor is rather less stellar than the PR spin would have you believe, then they should call an election and let us decide. The arrogant entitlement is sickening.
    Name the last Tory Government to follow manifesto.

    It's a fallacy.
    I am entirely relaxed about governments not following their manifestos. They aren't binding and circumstances change so there can be very good reasons to shift position, or introduce new things.

    It does understandably come with a political cost though, and so if doing it governments have to put a lot of effort into making the case for it.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,777
    Pulpstar said:

    You have to wonder what grounds they're going to appeal on tbh given they admitted to the spying.

    The sentence and that it is excessive.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536

    It's very depressing, and has any politician made the argument?

    No, because they'd be rounded on and piled on.

    So we're in a viscous cycle.

    Nice and thick?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927
    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    edited May 19

    ydoethur said:

    The Senedd have given each member two £2000 laptops and offered a £1000 phone on top. That's approximately £300k all together on devices used primarily for Google Chrome.

    https://x.com/Cai_ParryJones/status/2056766731717083262?s=20

    After conversion this morning....Windows Surface laptops.....absolutely disgraceful.....

    His maths is surely bollocks. 5k times 96 does not equal 300k. Has the silly twat not noticed the increase from 60 members?

    If anything it makes his point better as well…
    I actually not sure those laptop are £2k each. I think you can get a run of the mill Surface Latop for just over £1000 (maybe they have bought the top of the range ones I suppose) and I would hope they have got a bulk buy discount. The joke was more about buying Windows machines.

    You can see the attraction of Macbook Neo though.
    Every review of the Neo emphasises how slow it can be so it's a compromise.

    The MacBook Air on the other hand is compromise free and if you hit lucky the M4 version is only about £100 more than the Neo..

    The reasons for the surface laptops will be because IT know how to manage those and haven't worked out how to manage Macs just yet.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,859

    nico67 said:

    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .

    If they were doing what they call "shape" it pretty useful as that is when they walk through offensive and defensive strategies. Teams normally do it 2 days before the match and hence why the rules ban any attempt to see what the other teams are doing 72hr before a match.
    Yes but they must have footage of all 50+ games that Middlesbrough played this year. You cannot imagine there would be anything that new for the play off games. It such a stupid thing to have done.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536
    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    Hilarious after he was part of the labour Welsh government that retained just 9 (Nine) seats out of 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!
    How many seats did Kemi's Tories retain?

    They didn't even have millstone of being in power.
    The Tories had a great night.

    Kemi said so.

    You can't argue with Kemi, she's always right.
    Do you think 1,500 Labour councillors losing their seats was great?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344

    Pulpstar said:

    You have to wonder what grounds they're going to appeal on tbh given they admitted to the spying.

    The sentence and that it is excessive.
    Might be able to get the 4 points reduced by a point for admitting to it all I suppose :D.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    edited May 19
    Pulpstar said:

    You have to wonder what grounds they're going to appeal on tbh given they admitted to the spying.

    It could only be that the sentence is too harsh. I wonder if alongside the appeal the threat is if Southampton appeal and lose they will need to pay all the costs of rescheduling the match.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,859
    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .

    Agreed fans suffer

    Although neither have big Away support.
    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .

    Agreed fans suffer

    Although neither have big Away support.
    WTF does size of away support matter?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,200
    edited May 19

    Pulpstar said:

    You have to wonder what grounds they're going to appeal on tbh given they admitted to the spying.

    The sentence and that it is excessive.
    Were they forced to listen to Nigel Farage speeches on a loop for three days while personally fellating Donald Trump?

    Because if not the buggers got off light.

    Edit - oh, sorry, I thought you meant the Chinese spies. Apparently it’s a bunch of footballers.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,807
    edited May 19
    Pulpstar said:

    It isn't a triple lock, it's a triple ratchet. Turning it into an actual triple lock would make it not (long term) exceed the amount of cash the country has as a whole.
    It's absolutely bonkers that

    CPI of 3%,4%,5% and earnings growth of 6%,5%,4% in 3 consecutive years results in a different pension to

    CPI of 5%,4%,3% and earnings growth of 5%,4%,6%.

    The most the pension ought to grow by in that scenario is 15.752%, not the 16.865% of the first scenario.

    It needs changing into an actual triple lock if kept not the current triple ratchet

    We could keep the triple lock but just glide from highest of the three to lowest? Would save us a fortune.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    Yes they do.

    You run out of cheap value eggs you have to sell the free range ‘Happy Hen’ ones at the same price.

    I can’t post the picture again as I posted it earlier. Detail here.

    https://x.com/alexmassie/status/2049764625806213596?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    Yes they do.

    You run out of cheap value eggs you have to sell the free range ‘Happy Hen’ ones at the same price.

    I can’t post the picture again as I posted it earlier. Detail here.

    https://x.com/alexmassie/status/2049764625806213596?s=61
  • berberian_knowsberberian_knows Posts: 204
    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Welcome to the USSR
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,200
    How’s this for an amazing story?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr5pz68qpd1o

    They finally prosecuted a used car salesman?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439
    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    If you only stock one kind of eggs and you run out, what is the substitution?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881
    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Saints kicked out of playoffs.

    Someone tipped Middlesborough for promotion here at 11/1 after the Saints victory. Great tip, but I didn't take it 🫣
    Pulpstar, I think.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    Up the boro
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,218
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It isn't a triple lock, it's a triple ratchet. Turning it into an actual triple lock would make it not (long term) exceed the amount of cash the country has as a whole.
    It's absolutely bonkers that

    CPI of 3%,4%,5% and earnings growth of 6%,5%,4% in 3 consecutive years results in a different pension to

    CPI of 5%,4%,3% and earnings growth of 5%,4%,6%.

    The most the pension ought to grow by in that scenario is 15.752%, not the 16.865% of the first scenario.

    It needs changing into an actual triple lock if kept not the current triple ratchet

    We could keep the triple lock but just glide from highest of the three to lowest? Would save us a fortune.
    Introduce a new “quadruple lock” with a fourth factor, but which works like that. Or even averages them.

    Four is “better” than three for most voters so you win.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    edited May 19
    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    You can't substitute items if you don't sell substitutes.

    Sorry due to SNP policy we only sell our lowest quality eggs, meat..... - if you have any complaints please refer to your local SNP member...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,341
    edited May 19

    nico67 said:

    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .

    If they were doing what they call "shape" it pretty useful as that is when they walk through offensive and defensive strategies. Teams normally do it 2 days before the match and hence why the rules ban any attempt to see what the other teams are doing 72hr before a match.
    Yes but they must have footage of all 50+ games that Middlesbrough played this year. You cannot imagine there would be anything that new for the play off games. It such a stupid thing to have done.
    You will be surprised these days. They are constantly making tactical tweaks depending on the opponents and gives you further insights into how the management think about the game. Also when they do shape, it is normally the starting 11. In professional gambling circles even knowing the starting 11 is a big advantage. They will try to get starting line-ups by hook or crook.

    I would imagine like when Leeds got caught doing this, it has probably been going on consistently so it is just part of their wider "analysis".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    biggles said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It isn't a triple lock, it's a triple ratchet. Turning it into an actual triple lock would make it not (long term) exceed the amount of cash the country has as a whole.
    It's absolutely bonkers that

    CPI of 3%,4%,5% and earnings growth of 6%,5%,4% in 3 consecutive years results in a different pension to

    CPI of 5%,4%,3% and earnings growth of 5%,4%,6%.

    The most the pension ought to grow by in that scenario is 15.752%, not the 16.865% of the first scenario.

    It needs changing into an actual triple lock if kept not the current triple ratchet

    We could keep the triple lock but just glide from highest of the three to lowest? Would save us a fortune.
    Introduce a new “quadruple lock” with a fourth factor, but which works like that. Or even averages them.

    Four is “better” than three for most voters so you win.
    The Gillete Razor theory of politics.

    I think they may finally be moving back to fewer blades being better?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881

    Up the boro

    I'm a Boro fan and I feel a bit embarrassed by this to be honest.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568

    Up the boro

    I'm a Boro fan and I feel a bit embarrassed by this to be honest.
    Hey it's not Boro's fault that their opponent broke the rules..
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    edited May 19

    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Saints kicked out of playoffs.

    Someone tipped Middlesborough for promotion here at 11/1 after the Saints victory. Great tip, but I didn't take it 🫣
    Pulpstar, I think.
    I didn't take it either, still it is very very funny for Southampton.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533

    UK citizens are among dozens of nationalities who will soon have to apply for a visa if they wish to stay in Thailand for more than 30 days.

    Taking back control of their borders:

    "Policymakers now view a 30-day ceiling as an adequate timeframe to accommodate genuine, high-value travellers.

    The policy reversal follows a series of high-profile arrests involving foreign nationals engaged in drug trafficking, human smuggling and running unauthorised local businesses, such as hotels and language schools.

    To prevent systemic abuse, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it will also enforce a strict cap of two visa-free entries per calendar year via land borders for the standard 30-day tier, mirroring protocols used before the 2024 expansion."

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318
    edited May 19

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    If you only stock one kind of eggs and you run out, what is the substitution?
    Amazon fresh decided to send 6 bags of jelly babies when they ran out of eggs. Sure there is some kind of logic behind that somehow, somewhere...I guess the AI thought the eggs would eventually become babies perhaps?

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/mar/01/strangest-supermarket-substitutions-online-deliveries-grocers-which
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,341
    OpenAI are fried....

    You can now simulate real world places by grounding Genie 3 experiences with Street View imagery. Google sitting on the mother lode of real world data, and is starting to put it to work!

    https://x.com/bilawalsidhu/status/2056804315721843024?s=20
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,114
    biggles said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It isn't a triple lock, it's a triple ratchet. Turning it into an actual triple lock would make it not (long term) exceed the amount of cash the country has as a whole.
    It's absolutely bonkers that

    CPI of 3%,4%,5% and earnings growth of 6%,5%,4% in 3 consecutive years results in a different pension to

    CPI of 5%,4%,3% and earnings growth of 5%,4%,6%.

    The most the pension ought to grow by in that scenario is 15.752%, not the 16.865% of the first scenario.

    It needs changing into an actual triple lock if kept not the current triple ratchet

    We could keep the triple lock but just glide from highest of the three to lowest? Would save us a fortune.
    Introduce a new “quadruple lock” with a fourth factor, but which works like that. Or even averages them.

    Four is “better” than three for most voters so you win.
    Do they know what quadruple means though?

    That aside, the fourth one can be it can't be higher than the tax free income tax allowance. Then any improvement helps workers and retirees alike (and vice versa any stinginess on freezing tax bands).
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    If you only stock one kind of eggs and you run out, what is the substitution?
    None.

    It’s just empty shelves and queues when new stock turns up.

    Unless the brains trust behind the policy mandate they hold multiple different lines of a product.

    Can’t see the supermarkets being able to force the food producers to absorb any price cap issues either.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927

    OpenAI are fried....

    You can now simulate real world places by grounding Genie 3 experiences with Street View imagery. Google sitting on the mother lode of real world data, and is starting to put it to work!

    https://x.com/bilawalsidhu/status/2056804315721843024?s=20

    And they're building their own hardware so they won't get caught up in whatever is going on with Nvidia and the chip smugglers.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,133
    Foxy said:

    If the SNP do this, I have a plan

    Buys eggs in Sicily for, secretly transfer them to Malta and sells them in Scotland. And everyone gets a share.

    Then buy lamb chops in Scotland to sell in Sicily?
    There must be a catch, surely?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
    You’ll be voting Labour next!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195

    Burnham's double whammy

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2056769036390633863

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham won’t commit to keeping Labour’s manifesto promises on tax and has opened the door to new tax rises if he becomes PM.

    His decision to back the current fiscal rules wins him a reprieve from markets, but it limits his options to fund policies like council house-building. It raises the prospect of tax hikes.

    He will raise taxes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    edited May 19
    eek said:

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    You can't substitute items if you don't sell substitutes.

    Sorry due to SNP policy we only sell our lowest quality eggs, meat..... - if you have any complaints please refer to your local SNP member...
    I'd love a supporters to explain this policy, because it sounds really stupid and I assume there must be some logic. Right?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,590

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
    Are taxes less in the public sector?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,590

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
    You’ll be voting Labour next!
    ...or Libdem perhaps...
    :)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    Taz said:
    Imagine if they win their appeal tomorrow. What a shit show
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,341
    edited May 19
    Poor Rishi, after disasterious GE, then he does his leg a serious mischief and now Southampton get booted out.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Southampton being trolled by Portsmouth FC

    https://x.com/pompey/status/2056799878349574621?s=61
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    You can't substitute items if you don't sell substitutes.

    Sorry due to SNP policy we only sell our lowest quality eggs, meat..... - if you have any complaints please refer to your local SNP member...
    I'd love a supporters to explain this policy, because it sounds really stupid and I assume there must be some logic. Right?
    It's the SNP - simple solutions, no planning for consequences allowed.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,688

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
    That Twitter post is slightly misleading on the wages by excluding bonuses.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881
    edited May 19
    Pulpstar said:

    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Saints kicked out of playoffs.

    Someone tipped Middlesborough for promotion here at 11/1 after the Saints victory. Great tip, but I didn't take it 🫣
    Pulpstar, I think.
    I didn't take it either, still it is very very funny for Southampton.
    While I feel for their supporters, I can take a moment to laugh at Finn Azaz who engineered himself a transfer to Southampton just before the first transfer deadline.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,777
    You previously told me that anyone who assaulted a police officer on January 6th should go to prison. So why not rule out giving them taxpayer funded money?

    Vance: "Well, Kaitlan, what I said is we're going to look at everything case by case..."

    Why not rule it out?

    Vance: "Because, Kaitlan, there are people who I don't know their individual circumstances and I don't rule things out categorically when I know nothing about a person's individual circumstances..."


    https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/2056808837353714124
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881
    eek said:

    Up the boro

    I'm a Boro fan and I feel a bit embarrassed by this to be honest.
    Hey it's not Boro's fault that their opponent broke the rules..
    As a fan you like to see your team do it on the pitch, rather than the tribunal.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2056806522168983806

    WATCH: Laila Cunningham says the "perception" of Reform in London is "very polarised"

    "I went to a basketball court with some kids... said I'm running to be London Mayor. They said oh sh*t, you're running for Reform? You're going to deport my mum! I said what? No!"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195
    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    Hilarious after he was part of the labour Welsh government that retained just 9 (Nine) seats out of 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!
    How many seats did Kemi's Tories retain?

    They didn't even have millstone of being in power.
    The Tories had a great night.

    Kemi said so.

    You can't argue with Kemi, she's always right.
    Are you Robert Jenrick?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    So Southampton spied on Oxford Utd, the second worst team in the division, and managed to lose to them.

    😂😂😂😂
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195
    biggles said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It isn't a triple lock, it's a triple ratchet. Turning it into an actual triple lock would make it not (long term) exceed the amount of cash the country has as a whole.
    It's absolutely bonkers that

    CPI of 3%,4%,5% and earnings growth of 6%,5%,4% in 3 consecutive years results in a different pension to

    CPI of 5%,4%,3% and earnings growth of 5%,4%,6%.

    The most the pension ought to grow by in that scenario is 15.752%, not the 16.865% of the first scenario.

    It needs changing into an actual triple lock if kept not the current triple ratchet

    We could keep the triple lock but just glide from highest of the three to lowest? Would save us a fortune.
    Introduce a new “quadruple lock” with a fourth factor, but which works like that. Or even averages them.

    Four is “better” than three for most voters so you win.
    To be fair, George Osborne was good at presentational shenanigans like this.

    Except 2012.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,230

    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    Jeezo, after all the offies closing due to minimum pricing, what will be left?!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
    You’ll be voting Labour next!
    God no.
  • eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.


    Coming soon (maybe).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    Maybe he thought green would be slimming because he'd be camouflaged against the grass.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881
    Taz said:

    So Southampton spied on Oxford Utd, the second worst team in the division, and managed to lose to them.

    😂😂😂😂

    Exactly. It actually made F-all difference. They need to sack Tonda Eckert pronto, because he's the one who's landed them in this shit.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195
    Wayhey, price controls!

    What a totally fucking stupid idea.

    Empty shelves, rationing, and far less choice coming up!!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7qz806q3o
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    You can't substitute items if you don't sell substitutes.

    Sorry due to SNP policy we only sell our lowest quality eggs, meat..... - if you have any complaints please refer to your local SNP member...
    I'd love a supporters to explain this policy, because it sounds really stupid and I assume there must be some logic. Right?
    It's the SNP - simple solutions, no planning for consequences allowed.
    Most popular party in their country though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2056806522168983806

    WATCH: Laila Cunningham says the "perception" of Reform in London is "very polarised"

    "I went to a basketball court with some kids... said I'm running to be London Mayor. They said oh sh*t, you're running for Reform? You're going to deport my mum! I said what? No!"

    Fair play to her in revealing that story.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,341
    Looks like he has been taking full advantage of all the free swans....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,807
    edited May 19

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
    Wow - shock news indeed!!

    It can now only be a matter of time before you’re worrying that Labour isn’t radical enough and contemplating voting Green.

    I’ve worked with, and for, a multitude of managers who have tried the private to public sector transition, during my career. A majority crash and burn, unable to adapt their ‘just get it done’ mentality to the more complex, multi-stakeholder, highly political environment of the public sector. A few were wise enough to avoid starting off by thinking that they already knew it all, and spent their early months listening and learning. I’d like to hope, despite your long posting track record, that you have the insight to at least give the latter path your best shot.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,319
    edited May 19
    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    If you only stock one kind of eggs and you run out, what is the substitution?
    None.

    It’s just empty shelves and queues when new stock turns up.

    Unless the brains trust behind the policy mandate they hold multiple different lines of a product.

    Can’t see the supermarkets being able to force the food producers to absorb any price cap issues either.
    It’s very strange how the supermarkets are complaining so bitterly about having to sell cheap milk and eggs, but don’t have a problem with selling alcohol at a higher price than in England due to minimum pricing. A litre of Gordon’s gin in Tesco Carlisle is currently £18.50. In Scotland it is £24.38.

    The supermarkets keep the extra as profit.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,720
    Bournemouth lead City 1 - 0
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652

    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    If you only stock one kind of eggs and you run out, what is the substitution?
    None.

    It’s just empty shelves and queues when new stock turns up.

    Unless the brains trust behind the policy mandate they hold multiple different lines of a product.

    Can’t see the supermarkets being able to force the food producers to absorb any price cap issues either.
    It’s very strange how the supermarkets are complaining so bitterly about having to sell cheap milk and eggs, but don’t have a problem with selling alcohol at a higher price than in England due to minimum pricing. A litre of Gordon’s gin in Tesco Carlisle is currently £18.50. In Scotland it is £24.38.
    So do the Supermarkets pocket the difference or does that go to the govt ?

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,319
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    If you only stock one kind of eggs and you run out, what is the substitution?
    None.

    It’s just empty shelves and queues when new stock turns up.

    Unless the brains trust behind the policy mandate they hold multiple different lines of a product.

    Can’t see the supermarkets being able to force the food producers to absorb any price cap issues either.
    It’s very strange how the supermarkets are complaining so bitterly about having to sell cheap milk and eggs, but don’t have a problem with selling alcohol at a higher price than in England due to minimum pricing. A litre of Gordon’s gin in Tesco Carlisle is currently £18.50. In Scotland it is £24.38.
    So do the Supermarkets pocket the difference or does that go to the govt ?

    Edited my post above. The supermarkets keep the extra.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,777
    Hah.

    Southampton have admitted to spying on these three teams.

    They won none of those matches ❌


    https://x.com/BBCMOTD/status/2056801890336436519
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,777
    Matt Le Tissier has reviewed the Spygate evidence and concluded the moon landing was offside.

    https://x.com/AwayDaysTips/status/2056800130020343937
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,341
    edited May 19

    Hah.

    Southampton have admitted to spying on these three teams.

    They won none of those matches ❌


    https://x.com/BBCMOTD/status/2056801890336436519

    I highly doubt it was just 3 teams. The thought of the only 3 times you are spying on opposition, one of those was Oxford United.....
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,006

    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    If you only stock one kind of eggs and you run out, what is the substitution?
    None.

    It’s just empty shelves and queues when new stock turns up.

    Unless the brains trust behind the policy mandate they hold multiple different lines of a product.

    Can’t see the supermarkets being able to force the food producers to absorb any price cap issues either.
    It’s very strange how the supermarkets are complaining so bitterly about having to sell cheap milk and eggs, but don’t have a problem with selling alcohol at a higher price than in England due to minimum pricing. A litre of Gordon’s gin in Tesco Carlisle is currently £18.50. In Scotland it is £24.38.

    The supermarkets keep the extra as profit.
    I think to be fair to the supermarkets they bitched plenty about that one too before it was introduced.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,006

    Hah.

    Southampton have admitted to spying on these three teams.

    They won none of those matches ❌


    https://x.com/BBCMOTD/status/2056801890336436519

    Perhaps they should be promoted to the PL out of sympathy.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536

    Bournemouth lead City 1 - 0

    Spurs about to kick off!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318

    Hah.

    Southampton have admitted to spying on these three teams.

    They won none of those matches ❌


    https://x.com/BBCMOTD/status/2056801890336436519

    Perhaps they should be promoted to the PL out of sympathy.
    Season long transfer ban would have been very effective - might end up challenging Derby's Premier League low without any re-enforcements.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439

    Taz said:

    Foss said:

    eek said:



    Foss said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

    And every supermarket in Scotland within 30 miles of the border would instantly close.
    I suspect the solution would be to stock only 1 version of the price controlled items and once stock sells out there would be no substitutes available.
    Apparently the SNP want forced substitutions
    If you only stock one kind of eggs and you run out, what is the substitution?
    None.

    It’s just empty shelves and queues when new stock turns up.

    Unless the brains trust behind the policy mandate they hold multiple different lines of a product.

    Can’t see the supermarkets being able to force the food producers to absorb any price cap issues either.
    It’s very strange how the supermarkets are complaining so bitterly about having to sell cheap milk and eggs, but don’t have a problem with selling alcohol at a higher price than in England due to minimum pricing. A litre of Gordon’s gin in Tesco Carlisle is currently £18.50. In Scotland it is £24.38.

    The supermarkets keep the extra as profit.
    Companies happy with profits rather than losses?

    Indeed, how strange.

    By the way, you still haven’t signed up to The Loyalty Oath Crusade.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,938

    Bournemouth lead City 1 - 0

    Spurs about to kick off!
    Arsenal fans about to kick off too - if it stays like that!
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881

    Bournemouth lead City 1 - 0

    Spurs about to kick off!
    The Hammers will be looking for a typically Spursy performance. The problem is Chelsea are currently the most Spursy team in the Premier League.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    DavidL said:

    I am 64 (although not yet losing my hair), not too far off my pension now and I think the triple lock is ridiculous and needs to stop. Pensioners are a very mixed group. Some are genuinely poor but many, more certainly, are very comfortable indeed. In spending our limited resources on those that are comfortable we leave less for those that are not and unfairly increase the burden on those paying for it.

    Personally, I would go much further. Those whose pensions are, say, 2x average incomes (not completely fixed on what the limit should be), should not get the State pension at all. It needs to be means tested, albeit on a generous scale to stop discouraging those who might lose out from saving for a pension.

    Our State commitments are simply unaffordable. We need to find a lot of different ways of cutting the obligations so that they fall in line with the taxes we are willing to pay. This, in my view, is where we start.

    Maybe in 20 years.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    .

    It's very depressing, and has any politician made the argument?

    No, because they'd be rounded on and piled on.

    So we're in a viscous cycle.

    A sticky situation.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,341
    edited May 19

    Bournemouth lead City 1 - 0

    Spurs about to kick off!
    Spurs have spent all that money over the past 2-3 seasons and I look at that Starting XI and it really is pretty shit isn't it. Richarlison has been so shit that Brazil has even picked a one legged OAP can only play walking football Neymar ahead of him for the World Cup.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,604

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    Hilarious after he was part of the labour Welsh government that retained just 9 (Nine) seats out of 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!
    How many seats did Kemi's Tories retain?

    They didn't even have millstone of being in power.
    The Tories had a great night.

    Kemi said so.

    You can't argue with Kemi, she's always right.
    Do you think 1,500 Labour councillors losing their seats was great?

    Brixian59 said:

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    Hilarious after he was part of the labour Welsh government that retained just 9 (Nine) seats out of 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!
    How many seats did Kemi's Tories retain?

    They didn't even have millstone of being in power.
    The Tories had a great night.

    Kemi said so.

    You can't argue with Kemi, she's always right.
    Do you think 1,500 Labour councillors losing their seats was great?
    I did. Any more than that and I’d lose my bet on 2nd largest party. Votes can be a lot more sticky than you think.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
    Your rainbow lanyard can be picked up from the diversity officer 😇
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318

    Bournemouth lead City 1 - 0

    Spurs about to kick off!
    Spurs have spent all that money over the past 2-3 seasons and I look at that Starting XI and it really is pretty shit isn't it. Richarlison has been so shit that Brazil has even picked a one legged OAP can only play walking football Neymar ahead of him for the World Cup.
    They picked Neymar ahead of Joao Pedro, Evanilson and Igor Jesus too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,341
    The ‘kamikaze dolphin’ unit that could help re-open the Strait of Hormuz
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/19/dolphins-pentagon-kamikaze-strait-of-hormuz-hegseth/
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Foxy said:

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    I've just left the private sector and joined the public sector. The NHS, in fact.

    It simply wasn't worth it in the private sector anymore. Just taxed too much for too much stress.
    Your rainbow lanyard can be picked up from the diversity officer 😇
    I worked in the private sector and had a rainbow lanyard for the last few years.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,341
    edited May 19

    Bournemouth lead City 1 - 0

    Spurs about to kick off!
    Spurs have spent all that money over the past 2-3 seasons and I look at that Starting XI and it really is pretty shit isn't it. Richarlison has been so shit that Brazil has even picked a one legged OAP can only play walking football Neymar ahead of him for the World Cup.
    They picked Neymar ahead of Joao Pedro, Evanilson and Igor Jesus too.
    By the incredibly high standards of Brazil squads it looks quite weak*. Lots of players the wrong side of 30, quite a lot playing mickey mouse leagues, others who aren't stand out players in EPL, and the yonger talents have been are in very poor form.

    * they will now probably absolutely smash it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652

    The ‘kamikaze dolphin’ unit that could help re-open the Strait of Hormuz
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/19/dolphins-pentagon-kamikaze-strait-of-hormuz-hegseth/

    Sadly this no longer exists in the archive. But from 1972

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0564474/
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