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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,530

    Our recent polling of Muslims in areas with a high concentration of British Muslims - which included Manchester Rusholme - showed almost half would vote tactically for a Green candidate to keep out Labour.

    https://x.com/IGMansfield/status/2054658375279857870

    Do you think it's Allah's will that Israel exists?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,327
    We may be getting ahead of ourselves.

    From Sky News website, posted 5 minutes ago:

    Manchester MP at centre of Burnham speculation denies plans to stand down
    By Faye Brown, political reporter
    Afzal Khan, the MP for Manchester Rusholme, has told Sky News he has not got plans to give up his seat for Andy Bunrham.
    Mr Khan yesterday told Sky News the speculation around his seat was a "fake rumour".
    He's reiterated the denial tonight, after reports swirled that he was willing to stand down if Wes Streeting mounts a leadership challenge.
    "I am not giving [up] my seat" he told me this evening.

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-latest-burnham-streeting-rayner-leadership-quit-cabinet-resign-kings-speech-local-elections-12593360
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,276

    Prof David Bailey
    @dgbailey
    Apparently
    @brumlabour
    can’t appoint its Leader in Birmingham, because it has to await approval from Starmer or Steve Reed! The last centrally annointed leader hardly worked out well. Utter disregard for local members & elected councillors again.


    Prof David Bailey
    @dgbailey

    And how does that work regarding possible rainbow coalition with Greens, Lib Dens & Indies to run
    @BhamCityCouncil ? Birmingham is now hanging around waiting for central Labour Party to distract its attention from leadership struggles to colonially appoint a Brum labour leader.

    https://x.com/dgbailey/status/2054493850836566395
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 13

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a party led by a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
  • vinovino Posts: 217
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a party led by a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    Someone who is "angry" with Labour
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,932

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico

    @KemiBadenoch is fab in the Commons. Best Party leader in the Commons since Hague.

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/2054614123384590767

    Err has he forgotten Dave.
    No.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,207
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ed is favourite to be "next permanent chancellor of the exchequer" with BE.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.253381184

    Is that because all the hopefuls are promising it to him if he doesn't run?
    Can't see why he'd want it, either stay at Energy and see it through or be PM and appoint someone to see it through.
    Ed Miliband has an Oxford PPE and LSE MSc in economics (the same academic path as Rachel Reeves and Yvette Cooper, coincidentally) and earned his political spurs under Brown as Chancellor and de facto PM i/c domestic affairs, while Blair concentrated on foreign policy. It seems pretty obvious why he'd want the Treasury job. Ed has already been leader of the party and seen what a hostile media can do to himself and his family, and he has no discernible interest in foreign policy, so you can see why he'd not want the top job.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    This has been over for Starmer since Mandelson. Last Thursday was a punishment beating. Evisceration. And the reaction from the party was clear. That Keith still thinks he can lead - for 10 years!!! - is his undoing.

    A dignified announcement. A measured timetable. A managed contest. And then a new leader for the party to unite behind.

    Instead we get this. He’s done. And the longer this drags on the more likely they are done.

    Then we get Farage. And we are all done.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444

    Andy_JS said:

    As this turns to shit I can only say this; Starmer could have prevented all this

    How could he have?
    Accepted the verdict of last Thursday and laid out a timetable for his resignation
    Going back two years he could have actually had a clear plan for government when it was so obvious Labour were going to win; and then implemented that plan.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    This has been over for Starmer since Mandelson. Last Thursday was a punishment beating. Evisceration. And the reaction from the party was clear. That Keith still thinks he can lead - for 10 years!!! - is his undoing.

    A dignified announcement. A measured timetable. A managed contest. And then a new leader for the party to unite behind.

    Instead we get this. He’s done. And the longer this drags on the more likely they are done.

    Then we get Farage. And we are all done.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,530

    We may be getting ahead of ourselves.

    From Sky News website, posted 5 minutes ago:

    Manchester MP at centre of Burnham speculation denies plans to stand down
    By Faye Brown, political reporter
    Afzal Khan, the MP for Manchester Rusholme, has told Sky News he has not got plans to give up his seat for Andy Bunrham.
    Mr Khan yesterday told Sky News the speculation around his seat was a "fake rumour".
    He's reiterated the denial tonight, after reports swirled that he was willing to stand down if Wes Streeting mounts a leadership challenge.
    "I am not giving [up] my seat" he told me this evening.

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-latest-burnham-streeting-rayner-leadership-quit-cabinet-resign-kings-speech-local-elections-12593360

    "I LOVE rumours! Facts can be so misleading, but rumours, true or false, are often revealing!"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,276

    Tony Diver
    @Tony_Diver
    ·
    28m
    Wes Streeting’s team is asking MPs to support his leadership bid to trigger a contest, but arguing that they can transfer their vote to another candidate after a race begins.

    Suggests the Streeting team is struggling to get to 81 nominations tonight.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    Motherwell!!!!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    edited May 13
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a party led by a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    Voting for the Greens in this seat, if there is a by-election, doesn't give the Greens any chance of implementing any policies. But it could stop Burnham from being elected as an MP, which would be very amusing and damage Labour's credibility, making a Labour defeat at the next general election more likely.

    By-elections are different to general elections. They're about sending a message, not choosing a government.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico

    @KemiBadenoch is fab in the Commons. Best Party leader in the Commons since Hague.

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/2054614123384590767

    Err has he forgotten Dave.
    Dave who?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,393

    We may be getting ahead of ourselves.

    From Sky News website, posted 5 minutes ago:

    Manchester MP at centre of Burnham speculation denies plans to stand down
    By Faye Brown, political reporter
    Afzal Khan, the MP for Manchester Rusholme, has told Sky News he has not got plans to give up his seat for Andy Bunrham.
    Mr Khan yesterday told Sky News the speculation around his seat was a "fake rumour".
    He's reiterated the denial tonight, after reports swirled that he was willing to stand down if Wes Streeting mounts a leadership challenge.
    "I am not giving [up] my seat" he told me this evening.

    https://news.sky.com/story/starmer-latest-burnham-streeting-rayner-leadership-quit-cabinet-resign-kings-speech-local-elections-12593360

    Sadly, I've used my photo for today, so you'll just have to click on the link.

    As an act of mayoral solidarity, perhaps Sadiq could post one of these to Andy.

    https://bsky.app/profile/politicanimal.bsky.social/post/3mlqr4v27nk27

    Are Andy and Wes both bluffing on fairly weak hands?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,136
    edited May 13
    On Kemi in the Commons - she is really very good at setpieces. Today and the budget were excellent, and she thrives in that sort of environment.

    She is noticeably worse when she has to be a bit more adaptive and think on her feet. I still think her PMQs game is far below what it could be.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    .

    This has been over for Starmer since Mandelson. Last Thursday was a punishment beating. Evisceration. And the reaction from the party was clear. That Keith still thinks he can lead - for 10 years!!! - is his undoing.

    A dignified announcement. A measured timetable. A managed contest. And then a new leader for the party to unite behind.

    Instead we get this. He’s done. And the longer this drags on the more likely they are done.

    Then we get Farage. And we are all done.

    The mendacious megabung chancer is not going to be PM.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 13

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a party led by a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    Voting for the Greens in this seat, if there is a by-election, doesn't give the Greens any chance of implementing any policies. But it could stop Burnham from being elected as an MP, which would be very amusing and damage Labour's credibility, making a Labour defeat at the next general election more likely.

    By-elections are different to general elections. They're about sending a message, not choosing a government.
    No, Polanski would get a huge boost from the Greens beating Burnham in a by election, the Greens would almost certainly surge to second in polls and become the main alternative to Reform with their socialist, woke agenda. It would be an absolute disaster for the country far worse than just allowing Burnham to win a by election
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,530

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico

    @KemiBadenoch is fab in the Commons. Best Party leader in the Commons since Hague.

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/2054614123384590767

    Err has he forgotten Dave.
    Dave who?
    Dave "AV is crap" Cameron :lol:
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314


    Tony Diver
    @Tony_Diver
    ·
    28m
    Wes Streeting’s team is asking MPs to support his leadership bid to trigger a contest, but arguing that they can transfer their vote to another candidate after a race begins.

    Suggests the Streeting team is struggling to get to 81 nominations tonight.

    Or they’ve got the nominations and want to declare with a surprisingly big number to create momentum.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    vino said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a party led by a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    Someone who is "angry" with Labour
    Most voters are angry with Starmer not Burnham, Burnham polls better than any other senior politician
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 13

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,703
    @jessicaelgot.bsky.social‬

    Andy Burnham has told Labour MPs they should hold the line and that he has options to return to parliament after several seats identified by his allies failed to materialise.

    Two seats seem possible - Afzal Khan’s in Rusholme - or Jeff Smith in Withington.

    @cjterry.bsky.social‬

    "Seem possible" is code for "he still doesn't have a seat"
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    Labour really do want to have their Liz Truss moment don't they. I'm quite lucky that my mortgage runs until 2028, anyone renewing this year or next will be heading for a pretty big increase in their monthly payments.

    If they pick Ed Miliband we could be risking the whole economy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    MaxPB said:

    Labour really do want to have their Liz Truss moment don't they. I'm quite lucky that my mortgage runs until 2028, anyone renewing this year or next will be heading for a pretty big increase in their monthly payments.

    If they pick Ed Miliband we could be risking the whole economy.

    Rayner is more likely to be picked by members than Miliband if she gets the nominations
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847

    Motherwell!!!!

    Come on Jock Beaton, blaw yer whistle
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Especially as he tactically voted for Plaid
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a party led by a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    Voting for the Greens in this seat, if there is a by-election, doesn't give the Greens any chance of implementing any policies. But it could stop Burnham from being elected as an MP, which would be very amusing and damage Labour's credibility, making a Labour defeat at the next general election more likely.

    By-elections are different to general elections. They're about sending a message, not choosing a government.
    No, Polanski would get a huge boost from the Greens beating Burnham in a by election, the Greens would almost certainly surge to second in polls and become the main alternative to Reform with their socialist, woke agenda. It would be an absolute disaster for the country far worse than just allowing Burnham to win a by election
    Rubbish
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444
    edited May 13

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Surely HY is advocating tactical voting - just not to your taste?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    JUST IN: House Democrats secured the 218 signatures needed to bypass Speaker Mike Johnson and force a vote on Russia sanctions and Ukraine aid after Rep. Kevin Kiley joined Republicans Brian Fitzpatrick and Don Bacon in backing the petitio

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2054641009997283523
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    I'd vote Green over Reform/Restore on the grounds that the Greens are going to deport me like the Re lot.

    I'm sane by the way, my mother had me tested.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,393
    MaxPB said:

    Labour really do want to have their Liz Truss moment don't they. I'm quite lucky that my mortgage runs until 2028, anyone renewing this year or next will be heading for a pretty big increase in their monthly payments.

    If they pick Ed Miliband we could be risking the whole economy.

    Choosing a new Prime Minister mid-term is an absurd power to hand to such a small, unrepresentative group of freaks, whatever the colour of their rosette.

    MPs are accountable to the whole electorate, and 2019-24 shows that the number of utterly safe seats is large, but not crazy. Party members are accountable to nobody but themselves.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,703
    @Tony_Diver

    Wes Streeting’s team is asking MPs to support his leadership bid to trigger a contest, but arguing that they can transfer their vote to another candidate after a race begins.

    Suggests the Streeting team is struggling to get to 81 nominations tonight.

    @PronouncedAlva

    A note to Labour MPs: you can only transfer your nomination if the candidate withdraws
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Perhaps not. Motherwell have done Hearts a favour.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    Fuck VAR!!!!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    I'd vote Green over Reform/Restore on the grounds that the Greens are going to deport me like the Re lot.

    I'm sane by the way, my mother had me tested.
    I wouldn't, I would vote Reform or even Restore over the Greens though I understand your logic.

    A Tory voting Green over Reform is just about understandable, a Tory voting Green over Tory to beat Burnham is inexcusable
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,929
    So. Burnham doesn't have a seat. Streeting may not have the numbers. Miliband and Rayner don't seem keen.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,929
    Penalty to Celtic?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,276
    dixiedean said:

    So. Burnham doesn't have a seat. Streeting may not have the numbers. Miliband and Rayner don't seem keen.

    Put the popcorn back in the cupboard.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Especially as he tactically voted for Plaid
    No I didn't, as I said I would have voted for Labour or the LDs as my last 2 votes had they stood candidates not Plaid
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Perhaps not. Motherwell have done Hearts a favour.
    Its back on 97th minute Celtic penalty
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    Now you're just being silly.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,929
    My goodness. What a fix.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,432
    edited May 13
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Perhaps not. Motherwell have done Hearts a favour.
    Its back on 97th minute Celtic penalty
    Celtic go from needing to win by three clear goals to just needing any win on the final day with that penalty.
  • dixiedean said:

    My goodness. What a fix.

    Has Ed stood down already?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    Now you're just being silly.
    No, if you vote for a Marxist republican you have no right saying you are a Conservative
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    Utter and complete nonsense

    You need to calm down and understand politics better
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    You cannot call yourself a Conservative because you voted for a party that wants to break up the UK.
  • The best outcome for MPs actually in parliament would be a Streeting coronation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    Utter and complete nonsense

    You need to calm down and understand politics better
    I do, you are the one advocating voting for a Marxist
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Especially as he tactically voted for Plaid
    No I didn't, as I said I would have voted for Labour or the LDs as my last 2 votes had they stood candidates not Plaid
    But you did vote for Plaid.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Surely HY is advocating tactical voting - just not to your taste?
    No - quite the opposite
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 13

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    You cannot call yourself a Conservative because you voted for a party that wants to break up the UK.
    I voted for 4 Tories on a 6 vote ballot and 2 Plaid as they were the only other party who bothered to stand so still technically I mainly voted for unionist candidates
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,393
    dixiedean said:

    So. Burnham doesn't have a seat. Streeting may not have the numbers. Miliband and Rayner don't seem keen.

    Burnham's a mayor
    Streeting stinks
    The press don't like
    What Miliband thinks

    Rayner's taxes are awful;
    Nooses give;
    Guns aren’t lawful;
    He might as well live.

    (I'd apologise to Dorothy Parker, but that might make things worse.)


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,950
    edited May 13

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    I'd vote Green over Reform/Restore on the grounds that the Greens are going to deport me like the Re lot.

    I'm sane by the way, my mother had me tested.
    You don't seriously believe Reform/Restore would start deporting people who are legally in the UK?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    edited May 13
    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2054663064704680075

    Should Starmer decide to run against Streeting – plus an alternative candidate from the left like Rayner or Miliband – the prime minister would have a major advantage because of Labour’s voting system, which is preferential voting.

    MPs say they are deeply concerned that because Starmer would be likely to collect most second preferences.

    In a three-way contest he could even come second and still remain leader and prime minister.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    The best outcome for MPs actually in parliament would be a Streeting coronation.

    Zero chance of the left of Labour agreeing to that, even Starmer won't agree to that
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    Now you're just being silly.
    No, if you vote for a Marxist republican you have no right saying you are a Conservative
    You say he's a Marxist republican. Are you allowed to dictate the judgement to every Conservative leaning voter? No, thankfully you are not.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    Pro_Rata said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Perhaps not. Motherwell have done Hearts a favour.
    Its back on 97th minute Celtic penalty
    Celtic go from needing to win by three clear goals to just needing any win on the final day with that penalty.
    I see Hearts won away at Celtic Park at their last fixture there, so game on!

    It would be great for Scottish Football for Hearts to win.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,530
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    Utter and complete nonsense

    You need to calm down and understand politics better
    I do, you are the one advocating voting for a Marxist
    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, well, I have others."
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,929

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2054663064704680075

    Should Starmer decide to run against Streeting – plus an alternative candidate from the left like Rayner or Miliband – the prime minister would have a major advantage because of Labour’s voting system, which is preferential voting.

    MPs say they are deeply concerned that because Starmer would be likely to collect most second preferences.

    In a three-way contest he could even come second and still remain leader and prime minister.

    Starmer is crap at politics.
    But he's very good at Labour internal politics.
  • Reddit and left Twitter’s opposition to Streeting to me indicates he’d be a good candidate.
  • dixiedean said:

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2054663064704680075

    Should Starmer decide to run against Streeting – plus an alternative candidate from the left like Rayner or Miliband – the prime minister would have a major advantage because of Labour’s voting system, which is preferential voting.

    MPs say they are deeply concerned that because Starmer would be likely to collect most second preferences.

    In a three-way contest he could even come second and still remain leader and prime minister.

    Starmer is crap at politics.
    But he's very good at Labour internal politics.
    He was in my view a good LOTO and is a good Labour leader. But he’s a terrible PM.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,214
    MaxPB said:

    Labour really do want to have their Liz Truss moment don't they. I'm quite lucky that my mortgage runs until 2028, anyone renewing this year or next will be heading for a pretty big increase in their monthly payments.

    If they pick Ed Miliband we could be risking the whole economy.

    Careful - the 'chaos with Ed Miliband' line might have worked last time, but best not to remind voters what happens when you don't choose chaos with Ed
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Surely HY is advocating tactical voting - just not to your taste?
    No - quite the opposite
    No, he said "I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory". That is, he would vote tactically to block the Green candidate. The implication is that in Rusholme for example he would vote Labour to stop the Greens.
  • HYUFD said:

    The best outcome for MPs actually in parliament would be a Streeting coronation.

    Zero chance of the left of Labour agreeing to that, even Starmer won't agree to that
    I’m not so sure.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,296
    edited May 13
    Kemi sounded and looked great in the Commons today. didn't she?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,871
    edited May 13
    If Streeting lacks the 81 and Burnham lacks a seat offer, what have we been doing all week?

    I predict both to be the case.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,160
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    I'd vote Green over Reform/Restore on the grounds that the Greens are going to deport me like the Re lot.

    I'm sane by the way, my mother had me tested.
    You don't seriously believe Reform/Restore would start deporting people who are legally in the UK?
    Yes they would. Slippery slope and all that. I’m already looking at options in case Farage and his blackshirts win. In that way I am fortunate - not everyone will be that lucky.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Surely HY is advocating tactical voting - just not to your taste?
    No - quite the opposite
    No, he said "I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory". That is, he would vote tactically to block the Green candidate. The implication is that in Rusholme for example he would vote Labour to stop the Greens.
    And let Burnham win where some would not want that result
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    Foxy said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Foxy said:

    Hearts vs Celtic on Saturday is shaping up to be quite a match.

    Perhaps not. Motherwell have done Hearts a favour.
    Its back on 97th minute Celtic penalty
    Celtic go from needing to win by three clear goals to just needing any win on the final day with that penalty.
    I see Hearts won away at Celtic Park at their last fixture there, so game on!

    It would be great for Scottish Football for Hearts to win.
    They are missing the best part of their midfield and their best centre half. Will not be as easy as the December win against Nancy's Celtic

    All to play for, Celtic favourites no doubt
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,703
    algarkirk said:

    If Streeting lacks the 81 and Burnham lacks a seat offer, what have we been doing all week?

    Waiting for Ed(ot)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,932

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2054663064704680075

    Should Starmer decide to run against Streeting – plus an alternative candidate from the left like Rayner or Miliband – the prime minister would have a major advantage because of Labour’s voting system, which is preferential voting.

    MPs say they are deeply concerned that because Starmer would be likely to collect most second preferences.

    In a three-way contest he could even come second and still remain leader and prime minister.

    Except, the voters will go "Oh FFS..." And Labour will be on 9%.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,703
    @jonnelledge.bsky.social‬

    All the "is Miliband popular/competent/acceptable after losing 11 years ago" is missing the most crucial point: that the most dramatically satisfying ending is that the guy who lost the election after which everything went wrong comes back and fixes it all. Ask Chekov. Ask Aristotle
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    Scott_xP said:

    @jonnelledge.bsky.social‬

    All the "is Miliband popular/competent/acceptable after losing 11 years ago" is missing the most crucial point: that the most dramatically satisfying ending is that the guy who lost the election after which everything went wrong comes back and fixes it all. Ask Chekov. Ask Aristotle

    As someone who passionately campaigned for Cameron, you can’t possibly believe that, can you?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Surely HY is advocating tactical voting - just not to your taste?
    No - quite the opposite
    No, he said "I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory". That is, he would vote tactically to block the Green candidate. The implication is that in Rusholme for example he would vote Labour to stop the Greens.
    And let Burnham win where some would not want that result
    Burnham has a -15% rating with Tory voters and -30% with Reform voters, Polanski has a -49% rating with Tories and a massive -62% rating with Reform voters

    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Internal_Favourability_260421.pdf
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,932
    Scott_xP said:

    @jonnelledge.bsky.social‬

    All the "is Miliband popular/competent/acceptable after losing 11 years ago" is missing the most crucial point: that the most dramatically satisfying ending is that the guy who lost the election after which everything went wrong comes back and fixes it all. Ask Chekov. Ask Aristotle

    Can we ask Chekov and Aristotle: "Er - fixes it HOW?"

    The answer to that seems to be as elusive for the alterntives as it has been for Starmer.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    I'd vote Green over Reform/Restore on the grounds that the Greens are going to deport me like the Re lot.

    I'm sane by the way, my mother had me tested.
    You don't seriously believe Reform/Restore would start deporting people who are legally in the UK?
    Many Germans in the 1930s did not believe the Nazis would treat Jews as badly as their rhetoric suggested.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,871

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2054663064704680075

    Should Starmer decide to run against Streeting – plus an alternative candidate from the left like Rayner or Miliband – the prime minister would have a major advantage because of Labour’s voting system, which is preferential voting.

    MPs say they are deeply concerned that because Starmer would be likely to collect most second preferences.

    In a three-way contest he could even come second and still remain leader and prime minister.

    Bring back FPTP?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ed is favourite to be "next permanent chancellor of the exchequer" with BE.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.253381184

    It is quite damning of Reeves that her name is never mentioned as next PM. Usually CoE is pole position.
    If Starmer stays or Streeting gets the gig, Reeves stays. Otherwise it’ll probably be Ed M, unless he’s PM, of course
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    Row on Radio Scotland (between two Irishmen) over the VAR influence and decisions over the last few games, specifically re penalties given/not given

    Both English and Scottish premier leagues to be decided by contentious VAR calls this year?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Surely HY is advocating tactical voting - just not to your taste?
    No - quite the opposite
    No, he said "I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory". That is, he would vote tactically to block the Green candidate. The implication is that in Rusholme for example he would vote Labour to stop the Greens.
    And let Burnham win where some would not want that result
    Yes that's my point. Tactical voting can work against our preferred outcome as well as for it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Surely HY is advocating tactical voting - just not to your taste?
    No - quite the opposite
    No, he said "I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory". That is, he would vote tactically to block the Green candidate. The implication is that in Rusholme for example he would vote Labour to stop the Greens.
    And let Burnham win where some would not want that result
    Burnham has a -15% rating with Tory voters and -30% with Reform voters, Polanski has a -49% rating with Tories and a massive -62% rating with Reform voters

    https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Internal_Favourability_260421.pdf
    That shows that 7%of Con voters and 4% of Reform voters have a favourable opinion of Polanski. A massive 37% of Con voters and 30% or Reform voters did not express an opinion.

    So at least a minority of both are not averse.

  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,090

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2054663064704680075

    Should Starmer decide to run against Streeting – plus an alternative candidate from the left like Rayner or Miliband – the prime minister would have a major advantage because of Labour’s voting system, which is preferential voting.

    MPs say they are deeply concerned that because Starmer would be likely to collect most second preferences.

    In a three-way contest he could even come second and still remain leader and prime minister.

    And it would start the End Times for his party

    He would be dooming them to complete defeat
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,606
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    Stop insulting conservatives who see tactical voting as legitimate
    Any Conservative considering voting for the Polanski led Greens should certainly be expelled from the party if a member and should not be allowed to call themselves a Conservative if just a voter. As clearly anyone voting for Polanski and his awful party has not a Tory bone in his body
    You cannot call yourself a Conservative because you voted for a party that wants to break up the UK.
    I voted for 4 Tories on a 6 vote ballot and 2 Plaid as they were the only other party who bothered to stand so still technically I mainly voted for unionist candidates
    As a recent convert to your Welsh nationalist cause (I did vote for them once before) it is quite a liberating experience.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238
    edited May 13
    New polling....the most hated country in the world just out. More unpopular than the US-just!

    Who would have guessed.......


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl8NX7734rg


  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,444

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2054663064704680075

    Should Starmer decide to run against Streeting – plus an alternative candidate from the left like Rayner or Miliband – the prime minister would have a major advantage because of Labour’s voting system, which is preferential voting.

    MPs say they are deeply concerned that because Starmer would be likely to collect most second preferences.

    In a three-way contest he could even come second and still remain leader and prime minister.

    And it would start the End Times for his party

    He would be dooming them to complete defeat
    Or more likely another leadership challenge after the 2027 locals.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806
    Scott_xP said:

    @Tony_Diver

    Wes Streeting’s team is asking MPs to support his leadership bid to trigger a contest, but arguing that they can transfer their vote to another candidate after a race begins.

    Suggests the Streeting team is struggling to get to 81 nominations tonight.

    @PronouncedAlva

    A note to Labour MPs: you can only transfer your nomination if the candidate withdraws

    The whips will be performing all of their dark arts to try and get Streeting’s putative nominators to think again
  • Streeting in.

    Burnham wins a by-election and into cabinet.

    This is clearly the best option for Labour.
  • berberian_knowsberberian_knows Posts: 204
    algarkirk said:

    If Streeting lacks the 81 and Burnham lacks a seat offer, what have we been doing all week?

    I predict both to be the case.

    FPT:

    Lefties
    Always
    Bottle
    Ousting
    Useless
    Rulers
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    Scott_xP said:

    @jonnelledge.bsky.social‬

    All the "is Miliband popular/competent/acceptable after losing 11 years ago" is missing the most crucial point: that the most dramatically satisfying ending is that the guy who lost the election after which everything went wrong comes back and fixes it all. Ask Chekov. Ask Aristotle

    Would be amusing to see either Chekov or Aristotle struggle with a bacon roll in todays media, or their wise sayings laid out on an 'Ed stone'
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,693
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I can see some Reform and Tory supporters in Rusholme voting for the Greens since neither of those parties stands a chance of winning.

    No Tory is ever going to vote for the Marxist Polanski and his party and no Reform vote will vote for uber woke Polanski's party either
    You really don’t understand the voters, do you?
    I know Tory and Reform voters despise the Polanski Greens far more than they hate Burnham
    A few in your circle maybe but that is anecdotal
    What Tory or Reform voter is going to vote for a far left Marxist Republican who wants massive tax hikes, unlimited spending, unlimited immigration and is uber woke and wants to rejoin the EU?
    You are just silly

    Tactical voting is very real
    I would vote for any party over the far left Greens as would any sane Tory
    I'd vote Green over Reform/Restore on the grounds that the Greens are going to deport me like the Re lot.

    I'm sane by the way, my mother had me tested.
    You don't seriously believe Reform/Restore would start deporting people who are legally in the UK?
    Lol the naivety/indifference of white British Reformists is off the scale.
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