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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,062
    Dates for Starmer to aim for (dates on which he overtakes):

    26/06/2026 - Stanley Baldwin (3)
    07/08/2026 - Harold Wilson (2)
    20/05/2027 - Gordon Brown
    18/06/2027 - Neville Chamberlain
    16/07/2027 - Theresa May
    03/08/2027 - James Callaghan
    19/08/2027 - Boris Johnson
    14/12/2027 - Winston Churchill (2)
    20/03/2028 - Edward Heath
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,722
    Scott_xP said:


    @kitty_donaldson

    EXC: A govt source tells me:

    "Keir said in Cabinet that he won’t discuss the elections or his leadership, and that he will only speak to cabinet ministers about that individually. Then after the meeting he refused to see Cabinet ministers individually."

    LOL
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,555

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2054129501789987060

    Labour MP: “Shabana Mahmood's briefing last night denied the Prime Minister the opportunity to leave with dignity, and as a result, the whole thing is going to descend into a bloody mess from which this government may never recover, no matter who takes over."

    After several thousand years blaming the messenger is still popular.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351
    Scott_xP said:


    @kitty_donaldson

    EXC: A govt source tells me:

    "Keir said in Cabinet that he won’t discuss the elections or his leadership, and that he will only speak to cabinet ministers about that individually. Then after the meeting he refused to see Cabinet ministers individually."

    The Tom Walker stories of what real Keir is like seem more and more accurate.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195
    Scott_xP said:


    @kitty_donaldson

    EXC: A govt source tells me:

    "Keir said in Cabinet that he won’t discuss the elections or his leadership, and that he will only speak to cabinet ministers about that individually. Then after the meeting he refused to see Cabinet ministers individually."

    How very Keir.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,289

    Scott_xP said:


    @kitty_donaldson

    EXC: A govt source tells me:

    "Keir said in Cabinet that he won’t discuss the elections or his leadership, and that he will only speak to cabinet ministers about that individually. Then after the meeting he refused to see Cabinet ministers individually."

    LOL
    Was this a 'political' Cabinet or a normal everyday Cabinet meeting?

    There's a difference.

    I wonder whether he was hiding behind civil service advice that was a government Cabinet meeting and therefore no direct party political discussion allowed?
  • One more comment for @turbotubbs

    I just got emailed by eBay about another antique coffee can. This one is Bloor Derby. We can date it to the 1820s because of that confident red maker’s mark on the base, used by that factory after Bloor took over in 1811. It is possibly 1830s but the style of the mark makes early 1820s much more likely

    It is handmade. It is charming. It is ideal for espresso. It is real not fake. It really is ~200 years old

    And it is priced at £8.65

    https://ebay.us/m/Zf5vKd
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    Labour really are shit at this aren't they. It makes them look completely incompetent.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351

    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    FPT

    @cookie said.

    I saw a sign in a fast food shop on Wallgate (Wigan) last year: "We take card payments!" I was intrigued by the thought that this wasn't a given.
    But I'm glad to hear your report. I got the impression that Wigan was better than it used to be but I never really knew how it used to be.

    There was briefly a regular hourly fast service from Wigan to Manchester. It took 20 minutes or so. I'd argue that this was, and could be again (and especially if it were made half hourly) a massive benefit to the town. Not least because (in contrast to Rochdale), Wigan's train stations are gratifyingly central for the town.

    Me:

    Yes. One issue is the inaccessibility of Central Wigan itself. The town itself is doing quite well. But the collection of small ex-pit towns/villages to the south aren't. (Makerfield constituency where I'm from). Ashton, Bryn. Hindley, Abram and the like. Wigan is the big City to them, requiring preparation and a girding of loins to venture into (only when absolutely necessary).
    Yep. Card payments accepted. Furore over self service tills in Tesco, (some of which don't take cash!).
    Quite a number of shops have Cash Only signs.
    Can get a gorgeous meight 'n prayter pie anywhere, mind.

    I know cash only takeaways/eateries in Cumberland.

    I was in a village shop last week, that had signs saying “cash is king” and highlighting bank charges for card payments. It was also a Post Office, so I drew some cash out at the Post Office counter, using my card, then paid for my purchases using cash. Honour satisfied.
    Strangely, a lot of businesses seem to prefer card payments because of the cost and difficulty of handling cash
    Even notoriously iffy businesses like second hand car sales wont touch cash these days. Rather than discount for cash nidge nudge, many will charge a premium if you try and pay for folding.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,555
    MaxPB said:

    Labour really are shit at this aren't they. It makes them look completely incompetent.

    "Look"? "Look"??
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195
    In other news, it looks like the US will settle for pwning Greenland rather than owning Greenland:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx21669452lo
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,670

    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    FPT

    @cookie said.

    I saw a sign in a fast food shop on Wallgate (Wigan) last year: "We take card payments!" I was intrigued by the thought that this wasn't a given.
    But I'm glad to hear your report. I got the impression that Wigan was better than it used to be but I never really knew how it used to be.

    There was briefly a regular hourly fast service from Wigan to Manchester. It took 20 minutes or so. I'd argue that this was, and could be again (and especially if it were made half hourly) a massive benefit to the town. Not least because (in contrast to Rochdale), Wigan's train stations are gratifyingly central for the town.

    Me:

    Yes. One issue is the inaccessibility of Central Wigan itself. The town itself is doing quite well. But the collection of small ex-pit towns/villages to the south aren't. (Makerfield constituency where I'm from). Ashton, Bryn. Hindley, Abram and the like. Wigan is the big City to them, requiring preparation and a girding of loins to venture into (only when absolutely necessary).
    Yep. Card payments accepted. Furore over self service tills in Tesco, (some of which don't take cash!).
    Quite a number of shops have Cash Only signs.
    Can get a gorgeous meight 'n prayter pie anywhere, mind.

    I know cash only takeaways/eateries in Cumberland.

    I was in a village shop last week, that had signs saying “cash is king” and highlighting bank charges for card payments. It was also a Post Office, so I drew some cash out at the Post Office counter, using my card, then paid for my purchases using cash. Honour satisfied.
    At the barbers I go to, it's cash only. No cards of any sort. Strangers who've dropped in for a trim are sometimes sent down to the Post Office for the cash, leaving their coat, or something else of value, behind.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,289
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    33s
    We saw some madness under the Tories. But the Prime Minister literally refusing to discuss with his cabinet the fact 100 of his MPs have just resigned and called for his resignation is pretty close to the top.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2054150519329898948
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351
    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited May 12
    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Labour MP in seat eyed by Burnham allies says she will not stand aside
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/12/labour-mp-seat-burnham-allies-not-stand-aside-marie-rimmer

    "Backs Starmer."

    LOL

    I didn't know there was a Rimmer MP.

    Titter.
    St, Helens South - St. Helens, remember, went almost entirely light blue last week - doesn't at first sight seem an obviously safe seat for Burnham to contest.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2026/england/councils/E08000013
    Amongst the least safe Labour seats today (certainly in by-elections) are the old Labour urban strongholds of the North.

    The best bet is probably somewhere with a middle class centrist demographic where Greens and LDs are both roughly equal in support at about 18% with no obvious claim to be best placed to beat Labour, Tories and Reform are down at about 14%, and Labour can win on 30% of the vote with the rest going to the assorted fruit loops who appear at special events. Probably somewhere they were comfortably on 38%+ at the GE.
    Like Kenton ward in Newcastle.
    It needs to be too posh for Reform. Not posh enough for LibDems. Too white for the Greens. Too young for the Tories.
    It's a tricky demographic to thread.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    33s
    We saw some madness under the Tories. But the Prime Minister literally refusing to discuss with his cabinet the fact 100 of his MPs have just resigned and called for his resignation is pretty close to the top.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2054150519329898948

    Well if it never crosses your desk.....
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,319

    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    FPT

    @cookie said.

    I saw a sign in a fast food shop on Wallgate (Wigan) last year: "We take card payments!" I was intrigued by the thought that this wasn't a given.
    But I'm glad to hear your report. I got the impression that Wigan was better than it used to be but I never really knew how it used to be.

    There was briefly a regular hourly fast service from Wigan to Manchester. It took 20 minutes or so. I'd argue that this was, and could be again (and especially if it were made half hourly) a massive benefit to the town. Not least because (in contrast to Rochdale), Wigan's train stations are gratifyingly central for the town.

    Me:

    Yes. One issue is the inaccessibility of Central Wigan itself. The town itself is doing quite well. But the collection of small ex-pit towns/villages to the south aren't. (Makerfield constituency where I'm from). Ashton, Bryn. Hindley, Abram and the like. Wigan is the big City to them, requiring preparation and a girding of loins to venture into (only when absolutely necessary).
    Yep. Card payments accepted. Furore over self service tills in Tesco, (some of which don't take cash!).
    Quite a number of shops have Cash Only signs.
    Can get a gorgeous meight 'n prayter pie anywhere, mind.

    I know cash only takeaways/eateries in Cumberland.

    I was in a village shop last week, that had signs saying “cash is king” and highlighting bank charges for card payments. It was also a Post Office, so I drew some cash out at the Post Office counter, using my card, then paid for my purchases using cash. Honour satisfied.
    Strangely, a lot of businesses seem to prefer card payments because of the cost and difficulty of handling cash
    Probably dependent on size and volume of transactions. Quite a few places have a minimum value of card payments. I wouldn’t like to comment on the advantages of cash for money laundering.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,547

    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    FPT

    @cookie said.

    I saw a sign in a fast food shop on Wallgate (Wigan) last year: "We take card payments!" I was intrigued by the thought that this wasn't a given.
    But I'm glad to hear your report. I got the impression that Wigan was better than it used to be but I never really knew how it used to be.

    There was briefly a regular hourly fast service from Wigan to Manchester. It took 20 minutes or so. I'd argue that this was, and could be again (and especially if it were made half hourly) a massive benefit to the town. Not least because (in contrast to Rochdale), Wigan's train stations are gratifyingly central for the town.

    Me:

    Yes. One issue is the inaccessibility of Central Wigan itself. The town itself is doing quite well. But the collection of small ex-pit towns/villages to the south aren't. (Makerfield constituency where I'm from). Ashton, Bryn. Hindley, Abram and the like. Wigan is the big City to them, requiring preparation and a girding of loins to venture into (only when absolutely necessary).
    Yep. Card payments accepted. Furore over self service tills in Tesco, (some of which don't take cash!).
    Quite a number of shops have Cash Only signs.
    Can get a gorgeous meight 'n prayter pie anywhere, mind.

    I know cash only takeaways/eateries in Cumberland.

    I was in a village shop last week, that had signs saying “cash is king” and highlighting bank charges for card payments. It was also a Post Office, so I drew some cash out at the Post Office counter, using my card, then paid for my purchases using cash. Honour satisfied.
    Strangely, a lot of businesses seem to prefer card payments because of the cost and difficulty of handling cash
    Probably dependent on size and volume of transactions. Quite a few places have a minimum value of card payments. I wouldn’t like to comment on the advantages of cash for money laundering.
    Just paid for a Greggs vegan sausage roll using cash.

    Please don't cancel me!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,399
    dixiedean said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Labour MP in seat eyed by Burnham allies says she will not stand aside
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/12/labour-mp-seat-burnham-allies-not-stand-aside-marie-rimmer

    "Backs Starmer."

    LOL

    I didn't know there was a Rimmer MP.

    Titter.
    St, Helens South - St. Helens, remember, went almost entirely light blue last week - doesn't at first sight seem an obviously safe seat for Burnham to contest.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2026/england/councils/E08000013
    Amongst the least safe Labour seats today (certainly in by-elections) are the old Labour urban strongholds of the North.

    The best bet is probably somewhere with a middle class centrist demographic where Greens and LDs are both roughly equal in support at about 18% with no obvious claim to be best placed to beat Labour, Tories and Reform are down at about 14%, and Labour can win on 30% of the vote with the rest going to the assorted fruit loops who appear at special events. Probably somewhere they were comfortably on 38%+ at the GE.
    Like Kenton ward in Newcastle.
    Too posh for Reform. Not posh enough for LibDems. Too white for the Greens. Too young for the Tories.
    It's a tricky demographic to thread.
    Depends. There are probably quite a lot of places like that. Frankly, that's middle Britain. The problem for Andy is that they're mainly in the south.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    best Yougov in a while for Reform I think ?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    edited May 12
    Best Yougov in a while for Reform I think ?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318
    tlg86 said:

    Dates for Starmer to aim for (dates on which he overtakes):

    26/06/2026 - Stanley Baldwin (3)
    07/08/2026 - Harold Wilson (2)
    20/05/2027 - Gordon Brown
    18/06/2027 - Neville Chamberlain
    16/07/2027 - Theresa May
    03/08/2027 - James Callaghan
    19/08/2027 - Boris Johnson
    14/12/2027 - Winston Churchill (2)
    20/03/2028 - Edward Heath

    Just after Boris sounds ideal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351
    Anybody heard from Led by Donkeys recently....
  • What is Streeting waiting for?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,555

    What is Streeting waiting for?

    A streetcar obviously. One with enough passengers.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,709

    Scott_xP said:

    @pickardje.bsky.social‬

    predisposition in Westminster to presume coups *always* succeed eg Thatcher & May & Johnson, but:

    1995: John Major saw off right wing rebels

    2009: Gordon Brown survived multiple cabinet minister resignations

    2016: Jeremy Corbyn saw off 64 resignations and 80% of PLP begging him to quit (172:40)

    True but all those leaders lost the subsequent elections.

    Depends if anyone quits after cabinet finishes
    Don't think that's really an issue in this case.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited May 12

    dixiedean said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Labour MP in seat eyed by Burnham allies says she will not stand aside
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/12/labour-mp-seat-burnham-allies-not-stand-aside-marie-rimmer

    "Backs Starmer."

    LOL

    I didn't know there was a Rimmer MP.

    Titter.
    St, Helens South - St. Helens, remember, went almost entirely light blue last week - doesn't at first sight seem an obviously safe seat for Burnham to contest.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2026/england/councils/E08000013
    Amongst the least safe Labour seats today (certainly in by-elections) are the old Labour urban strongholds of the North.

    The best bet is probably somewhere with a middle class centrist demographic where Greens and LDs are both roughly equal in support at about 18% with no obvious claim to be best placed to beat Labour, Tories and Reform are down at about 14%, and Labour can win on 30% of the vote with the rest going to the assorted fruit loops who appear at special events. Probably somewhere they were comfortably on 38%+ at the GE.
    Like Kenton ward in Newcastle.
    Too posh for Reform. Not posh enough for LibDems. Too white for the Greens. Too young for the Tories.
    It's a tricky demographic to thread.
    Depends. There are probably quite a lot of places like that. Frankly, that's middle Britain. The problem for Andy is that they're mainly in the south.
    There are indeed. Few are constituency sized though.
    I did note with surprise the relatively decent Labour performances in Lincoln and Redditch compared to Wakefield and St Helens.
    There weren't many of those kinda places up for election this time.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344

    Anybody heard from Led by Donkeys recently....

    They all met in No 10 this morning.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,670
    Essex County Council's Reform Group, which now runs the Council, has chosen it's new Leader and Deputy. Both are former Conservative District Councillors.

    Same old, same old?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,399

    What is Streeting waiting for?

    To be carried into Number Ten by acclamation.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,547

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Don't you forget about me.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568

    tlg86 said:

    Dates for Starmer to aim for (dates on which he overtakes):

    26/06/2026 - Stanley Baldwin (3)
    07/08/2026 - Harold Wilson (2)
    20/05/2027 - Gordon Brown
    18/06/2027 - Neville Chamberlain
    16/07/2027 - Theresa May
    03/08/2027 - James Callaghan
    19/08/2027 - Boris Johnson
    14/12/2027 - Winston Churchill (2)
    20/03/2028 - Edward Heath

    Just after Boris sounds ideal.
    We can't suffer another year of this...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,547
    Pulpstar said:

    best Yougov in a while for Reform I think ?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),

    Broken, sleazy Labour and LibDems on the slide!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    33s
    We saw some madness under the Tories. But the Prime Minister literally refusing to discuss with his cabinet the fact 100 of his MPs have just resigned and called for his resignation is pretty close to the top.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2054150519329898948

    Well if it never crosses your desk.....
    When they reach the threshold, he can just say how angry he is that he wasn't formally told about it beforehand and then withdraw the whip from then for failing to follow the correct procedure.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Labour MP in seat eyed by Burnham allies says she will not stand aside
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/12/labour-mp-seat-burnham-allies-not-stand-aside-marie-rimmer

    "Backs Starmer."

    LOL

    I didn't know there was a Rimmer MP.

    Titter.
    St, Helens South - St. Helens, remember, went almost entirely light blue last week - doesn't at first sight seem an obviously safe seat for Burnham to contest.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2026/england/councils/E08000013
    Amongst the least safe Labour seats today (certainly in by-elections) are the old Labour urban strongholds of the North.

    The best bet is probably somewhere with a middle class centrist demographic where Greens and LDs are both roughly equal in support at about 18% with no obvious claim to be best placed to beat Labour, Tories and Reform are down at about 14%, and Labour can win on 30% of the vote with the rest going to the assorted fruit loops who appear at special events. Probably somewhere they were comfortably on 38%+ at the GE.
    Like Kenton ward in Newcastle.
    Too posh for Reform. Not posh enough for LibDems. Too white for the Greens. Too young for the Tories.
    It's a tricky demographic to thread.
    Depends. There are probably quite a lot of places like that. Frankly, that's middle Britain. The problem for Andy is that they're mainly in the south.
    There are indeed. Few are constituency sized though.
    I did note with surprise the relatively decent Labour performances in Lincoln and Redditch compared to Wakefield and St Helens.
    There weren't many of those kinda places up for election this time.
    Labour would win Coventry East if Creagh fancies stepping down.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    edited May 12

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    Pulpstar said:

    Best Yougov in a while for Reform I think ?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),

    Best Labour for a good while I fear.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,871

    Essex County Council's Reform Group, which now runs the Council, has chosen it's new Leader and Deputy. Both are former Conservative District Councillors.

    Same old, same old?

    Yep. A lot of these people left for purely transactional reasons. Several in the Scottish Parliament now. On the whole they are pretty second-rate and more motivated by their personal interests than by political principle or the public interest. Similar dynamic in the US Republican Party, and look where that has got us.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,930

    Scott_xP said:


    @kitty_donaldson

    EXC: A govt source tells me:

    "Keir said in Cabinet that he won’t discuss the elections or his leadership, and that he will only speak to cabinet ministers about that individually. Then after the meeting he refused to see Cabinet ministers individually."

    Full process was followed....
    He's offered personal appointments to discuss it, starting Jan 2027.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,930
    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    They are fine, but relatively uncontroversial, and they're not going to move anyone's dial.

    This is a bit closer to the mark (allowing for hyperbole).
    Whats mental is if he just went, fuck it - rejoin EU, nationalise rail, nationalise water & do a wealth tax

    He’d become a hero overnight

    https://x.com/jimthegiant/status/2053971410306113663
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:


    @kitty_donaldson

    EXC: A govt source tells me:

    "Keir said in Cabinet that he won’t discuss the elections or his leadership, and that he will only speak to cabinet ministers about that individually. Then after the meeting he refused to see Cabinet ministers individually."

    Full process was followed....
    He's offered personal appointments to discuss it, starting Jan 2027.
    Dont be silly, there will be a working group to explore finding an agreement about an agreement about the exact booking process that needs to followed in order to get an appointment.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,940
    edited May 12
    MaxPB said:

    Labour really are shit at this aren't they. It makes them look completely incompetent.

    To be fair, they don't have much experience.

    It's like two virgins having a stab at their first love-making. Wthout having even watched any porn...

    Whereas the Tories have worked their way through the entire karma sutra.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited May 12
    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 8,003

    algarkirk said:

    dixiedean said:

    FPT

    @cookie said.

    I saw a sign in a fast food shop on Wallgate (Wigan) last year: "We take card payments!" I was intrigued by the thought that this wasn't a given.
    But I'm glad to hear your report. I got the impression that Wigan was better than it used to be but I never really knew how it used to be.

    There was briefly a regular hourly fast service from Wigan to Manchester. It took 20 minutes or so. I'd argue that this was, and could be again (and especially if it were made half hourly) a massive benefit to the town. Not least because (in contrast to Rochdale), Wigan's train stations are gratifyingly central for the town.

    Me:

    Yes. One issue is the inaccessibility of Central Wigan itself. The town itself is doing quite well. But the collection of small ex-pit towns/villages to the south aren't. (Makerfield constituency where I'm from). Ashton, Bryn. Hindley, Abram and the like. Wigan is the big City to them, requiring preparation and a girding of loins to venture into (only when absolutely necessary).
    Yep. Card payments accepted. Furore over self service tills in Tesco, (some of which don't take cash!).
    Quite a number of shops have Cash Only signs.
    Can get a gorgeous meight 'n prayter pie anywhere, mind.

    I know cash only takeaways/eateries in Cumberland.

    I was in a village shop last week, that had signs saying “cash is king” and highlighting bank charges for card payments. It was also a Post Office, so I drew some cash out at the Post Office counter, using my card, then paid for my purchases using cash. Honour satisfied.
    Strangely, a lot of businesses seem to prefer card payments because of the cost and difficulty of handling cash
    Its the risk of being robbed either on site or on the way to the bank
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,871
    Never quite sure what to make of Paul Mason, but this thread presents an argument for sticking with Sir Keir which is about as cogent as any I have come across.

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2054079312110690510

    "What Labour MPs should remember: the 2029 election is winnable, and could be a platform for a decade of progressive government, decisively locking Reform/NatCons out of power...if we think strategically..."
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930

    Never quite sure what to make of Paul Mason, but this thread presents an argument for sticking with Sir Keir which is about as cogent as any I have come across.

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2054079312110690510

    "What Labour MPs should remember: the 2029 election is winnable, and could be a platform for a decade of progressive government, decisively locking Reform/NatCons out of power...if we think strategically..."

    Last bit might be an issue.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 8,003
    MaxPB said:

    Labour really are shit at this aren't they. It makes them look completely incompetent.

    The way they handle this is symptomatic of the way they run the Govt. Its a shit show.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351
    An 85th Labour MP has called on the Prime Minister to resign.

    Lizzi Collinge, the MP for Morecambe and Lunesdale
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Free Breakfast clubs ?

    What are they.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,319
    DavidL said:

    What is Streeting waiting for?

    A streetcar obviously. One with enough passengers.
    The trouble with Labour is that they are all passengers, and no drivers.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    edited May 12
    Taz said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Free Breakfast clubs ?

    What are they.
    Schools getting children in early and making sure they've eaten something for breakfast..

    It's been a thing for a long period of time it's also the focus of Gregg's charity.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,214

    DavidL said:

    What is Streeting waiting for?

    A streetcar obviously. One with enough passengers.
    The trouble with Labour is that they are all passengers, and no drivers.
    Labour - brought to you by Waymo.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,681

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    33s
    We saw some madness under the Tories. But the Prime Minister literally refusing to discuss with his cabinet the fact 100 of his MPs have just resigned and called for his resignation is pretty close to the top.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2054150519329898948

    Does shed light on how so many things don't cross his desk, doesn't it?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,681

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    33s
    We saw some madness under the Tories. But the Prime Minister literally refusing to discuss with his cabinet the fact 100 of his MPs have just resigned and called for his resignation is pretty close to the top.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2054150519329898948

    Well if it never crosses your desk.....
    Snap.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318
    eek said:

    tlg86 said:

    Dates for Starmer to aim for (dates on which he overtakes):

    26/06/2026 - Stanley Baldwin (3)
    07/08/2026 - Harold Wilson (2)
    20/05/2027 - Gordon Brown
    18/06/2027 - Neville Chamberlain
    16/07/2027 - Theresa May
    03/08/2027 - James Callaghan
    19/08/2027 - Boris Johnson
    14/12/2027 - Winston Churchill (2)
    20/03/2028 - Edward Heath

    Just after Boris sounds ideal.
    We can't suffer another year of this...
    If you prefer instead a year of speculation over when the Labour party will demand the resignation of PM Rayner so be it.

    Party loyalty won't start to recover til we are in the year/18 months from the GE regardless of Starmer in charge or not.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,930
    Metaphor for today.

    Lorry gets stuck in hole it was sent to fix in Somerset
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/12/lorry-gets-stuck-in-hole-walton-somerset
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Taz said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Free Breakfast clubs ?

    What are they.
    The ability to drop your kids off at school before 8.50. Kind of important if you have a workplace to get to, and somewhat galling to have to pay for. For me, the provision of breakfast was an added bonus (though for other kids will be important).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,289
    Looks like we may finally get our free owls.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,289
    Looks like we may finally get our free owls.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,628
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
    It was quite a shock when my children got to be school age to find that the state expected me to drop my kids off no later than 8.50am in the morning every day with my employer expecting me to arrive at work 6 miles away at 9am. You could get round this by taking them to breakfast club, but this was £5 a day (ten years ago - I guess it will be more now). Actually having some provision where you can drop them off early, for free, in order to get to work feels like at least the state isn't actively kicking you in the face for trying to do your bit. For me, breakfast is an added bonus (though for many children it will be critical).
    Should help with walking and cycling too. More time to drop off and then head to work.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798

    MaxPB said:

    Labour really are shit at this aren't they. It makes them look completely incompetent.

    To be fair, they don't have much experience.

    It's like two virgins having a stab at their first love-making. Wthout having even watched any porn...

    Whereas the Tories have worked their way through the entire karma sutra.
    Yes, when Labour do this, you feel they aren't really enjoying it properly. The Tories fucking love this sort of thing.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,017
    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    They are fine, but relatively uncontroversial, and they're not going to move anyone's dial.

    This is a bit closer to the mark (allowing for hyperbole).
    Whats mental is if he just went, fuck it - rejoin EU, nationalise rail, nationalise water & do a wealth tax

    He’d become a hero overnight

    https://x.com/jimthegiant/status/2053971410306113663
    I think Starmer so completely lacks in credibility that he wouldn't be able to pull that off - but a new leader could.

    This is one reason why I think Labour need to work out what the new strategy for government is and then choose a leader to implement that, so that a new leader can get started straight away. Instead the chances are that - like Starmer - a new leader will have concentrated on the process of becoming leader, and once they are leader they won't have a clue what they're going to do. And by the time they might have worked one out they won't be able to implement it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,195

    What is Streeting waiting for?

    There's enough support to trigger a contest for Burnham, but not for Streeting. Burnham isn't in Parliament so it's a stalemate.

    Starmer is exploiting this and hoping it blows over.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,547

    Looks like we may finally get our free owls.

    I thought they were relegated?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Eabhal said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
    It was quite a shock when my children got to be school age to find that the state expected me to drop my kids off no later than 8.50am in the morning every day with my employer expecting me to arrive at work 6 miles away at 9am. You could get round this by taking them to breakfast club, but this was £5 a day (ten years ago - I guess it will be more now). Actually having some provision where you can drop them off early, for free, in order to get to work feels like at least the state isn't actively kicking you in the face for trying to do your bit. For me, breakfast is an added bonus (though for many children it will be critical).
    Should help with walking and cycling too. More time to drop off and then head to work.
    Indeed. On the days when I dropped my kids at breakfast club (this was before it was free, but the point still stands), I would walk the kids down to school about 7.45, walk back, walk to the tram stop, and head in, and be at work for 9. On the days I didn't, I'd drive down to school, park as close as I could, drop them off at 8.50, get back in the car, drive to the tram, park as close as I could, and just make it in to work for 9.30.
    Parents don't necessarily want to drive their kids to school. But - given that primary schools insist on children being handed over - you can't just leave them in the playground - for many having their cars ready to leap into as soon as they're out the school gate is the only way both school drop off and the commute are possible.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Wherever you are @Brixian59, happy Darren Carter for the Premiership day !

    https://x.com/BCFC/status/2054138327435993468/video/1?s=61
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    Is this like Gazza turning up with a fishing rod and 4 cans of lager?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,709
    dixiedean said:

    Never quite sure what to make of Paul Mason, but this thread presents an argument for sticking with Sir Keir which is about as cogent as any I have come across.

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2054079312110690510

    "What Labour MPs should remember: the 2029 election is winnable, and could be a platform for a decade of progressive government, decisively locking Reform/NatCons out of power...if we think strategically..."

    Last bit might be an issue.
    Along with the first bit and the middle bit.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,017
    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
    It was quite a shock when my children got to be school age to find that the state expected me to drop my kids off no later than 8.50am in the morning every day with my employer expecting me to arrive at work 6 miles away at 9am. You could get round this by taking them to breakfast club, but this was £5 a day (ten years ago - I guess it will be more now). Actually having some provision where you can drop them off early, for free, in order to get to work feels like at least the state isn't actively kicking you in the face for trying to do your bit. For me, breakfast is an added bonus (though for many children it will be critical).
    Back in the day this sort of thing would have been sorted out informally. You'd drop your kid off early at the house of a friend* of theirs, and they'd go to school with them, and you'd do some other favour in return.

    * Or, perhaps they wouldn't like the kid, but you know the parents from church, or they're a cousin, or some other social circle in the community.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,863

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    I might be being obtuse but as an MP shouldn't he be there for the state opening tomorrow.

    Oh yes - he forgot to get elected in 2024 when it was really easy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652

    Looks like we may finally get our free owls.

    As in Big John ?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,296

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    King Of The North's heading south! :D
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    Lets hope this afternoon is more entertaining than this morning
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,940

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    Have palm tree leaves been laid down for him?
    Has an ass been laid on?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,351
    Taz said:

    Wherever you are @Brixian59, happy Darren Carter for the Premiership day !

    https://x.com/BCFC/status/2054138327435993468/video/1?s=61

    Brixian would really be earning his money to spin the going ons as positive for Labour.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,940

    What is Streeting waiting for?

    There's enough support to trigger a contest for Burnham, but not for Streeting. Burnham isn't in Parliament so it's a stalemate.

    Starmer is exploiting this and hoping it blows over.
    Starmer IS the Black Knight....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,289
    "It is not known yet why [Burnham] is in the capital."

    Guardian live blog

    Just :lol:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,940
    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    King Of The North's heading south! :D
    Spotted in King's Landing?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,645

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:


    @kitty_donaldson

    EXC: A govt source tells me:

    "Keir said in Cabinet that he won’t discuss the elections or his leadership, and that he will only speak to cabinet ministers about that individually. Then after the meeting he refused to see Cabinet ministers individually."

    Full process was followed....
    He's offered personal appointments to discuss it, starting Jan 2027.
    Dont be silly, there will be a working group to explore finding an agreement about an agreement about the exact booking process that needs to followed in order to get an appointment.
    You forgot the committee to determine the membership of the working group
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,184

    "It is not known yet why [Burnham] is in the capital."

    Guardian live blog

    Just :lol:

    He moves in mysterious ways.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,695

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
    It was quite a shock when my children got to be school age to find that the state expected me to drop my kids off no later than 8.50am in the morning every day with my employer expecting me to arrive at work 6 miles away at 9am. You could get round this by taking them to breakfast club, but this was £5 a day (ten years ago - I guess it will be more now). Actually having some provision where you can drop them off early, for free, in order to get to work feels like at least the state isn't actively kicking you in the face for trying to do your bit. For me, breakfast is an added bonus (though for many children it will be critical).
    Back in the day this sort of thing would have been sorted out informally. You'd drop your kid off early at the house of a friend* of theirs, and they'd go to school with them, and you'd do some other favour in return.

    * Or, perhaps they wouldn't like the kid, but you know the parents from church, or they're a cousin, or some other social circle in the community.
    This sort of things still goes on massively. The complex system of accumulating mutual childcare favours is one of the delights of parenting. See for instance the TV show Motherland where this choreography is successfully satirised. Of course, much of this work falls on female shoulders, so the PB demographic may be unaware it is happening!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,419

    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    They are fine, but relatively uncontroversial, and they're not going to move anyone's dial.

    This is a bit closer to the mark (allowing for hyperbole).
    Whats mental is if he just went, fuck it - rejoin EU, nationalise rail, nationalise water & do a wealth tax

    He’d become a hero overnight

    https://x.com/jimthegiant/status/2053971410306113663
    I think Starmer so completely lacks in credibility that he wouldn't be able to pull that off - but a new leader could.

    This is one reason why I think Labour need to work out what the new strategy for government is and then choose a leader to implement that, so that a new leader can get started straight away. Instead the chances are that - like Starmer - a new leader will have concentrated on the process of becoming leader, and once they are leader they won't have a clue what they're going to do. And by the time they might have worked one out they won't be able to implement it.
    Should be Miliband then, already proved he's prepared to piss people off by pushing through Net Zero and he could polish his supervillain credentials by doing water, rejoin and wealth tax.
    Coup de grace would be his ending the triple lock while munching on a bacon roll.
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 227

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    Have palm tree leaves been laid down for him?
    Nearest body of water for him to walk upon is the Boating Lake in Regent's Park.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
    It was quite a shock when my children got to be school age to find that the state expected me to drop my kids off no later than 8.50am in the morning every day with my employer expecting me to arrive at work 6 miles away at 9am. You could get round this by taking them to breakfast club, but this was £5 a day (ten years ago - I guess it will be more now). Actually having some provision where you can drop them off early, for free, in order to get to work feels like at least the state isn't actively kicking you in the face for trying to do your bit. For me, breakfast is an added bonus (though for many children it will be critical).
    Back in the day this sort of thing would have been sorted out informally. You'd drop your kid off early at the house of a friend* of theirs, and they'd go to school with them, and you'd do some other favour in return.

    * Or, perhaps they wouldn't like the kid, but you know the parents from church, or they're a cousin, or some other social circle in the community.
    Back in my day - and I'm not THAT old, this was the early 80s - your 8 year old child would walk to school on his own. And he could just wait in the playground with his friends, playing, until it was time to go in. Mind you, in those days, the majority of mums were either stay at homes or just had part time jobs locally, so even if the kids needed to be accompanied there was less pressure to do so.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,863

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
    It was quite a shock when my children got to be school age to find that the state expected me to drop my kids off no later than 8.50am in the morning every day with my employer expecting me to arrive at work 6 miles away at 9am. You could get round this by taking them to breakfast club, but this was £5 a day (ten years ago - I guess it will be more now). Actually having some provision where you can drop them off early, for free, in order to get to work feels like at least the state isn't actively kicking you in the face for trying to do your bit. For me, breakfast is an added bonus (though for many children it will be critical).
    Back in the day this sort of thing would have been sorted out informally. You'd drop your kid off early at the house of a friend* of theirs, and they'd go to school with them, and you'd do some other favour in return.

    * Or, perhaps they wouldn't like the kid, but you know the parents from church, or they're a cousin, or some other social circle in the community.
    This sort of things still goes on massively. The complex system of accumulating mutual childcare favours is one of the delights of parenting. See for instance the TV show Motherland where this choreography is successfully satirised. Of course, much of this work falls on female shoulders, so the PB demographic may be unaware it is happening!
    Our son will start school next year and I'm already fretting about these kind of logistics...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,709

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    Have palm tree leaves been laid down for him?
    Has an ass been laid on?
    Steve Bray should be in his usual spot.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
    It was quite a shock when my children got to be school age to find that the state expected me to drop my kids off no later than 8.50am in the morning every day with my employer expecting me to arrive at work 6 miles away at 9am. You could get round this by taking them to breakfast club, but this was £5 a day (ten years ago - I guess it will be more now). Actually having some provision where you can drop them off early, for free, in order to get to work feels like at least the state isn't actively kicking you in the face for trying to do your bit. For me, breakfast is an added bonus (though for many children it will be critical).
    Back in the day this sort of thing would have been sorted out informally. You'd drop your kid off early at the house of a friend* of theirs, and they'd go to school with them, and you'd do some other favour in return.

    * Or, perhaps they wouldn't like the kid, but you know the parents from church, or they're a cousin, or some other social circle in the community.
    Or you'd just take yourself there.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,555

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    Have palm tree leaves been laid down for him?
    Has an ass been laid on?
    Yes, its Andy Burnham.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 324

    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    King Of The North's heading south! :D
    Spotted in King's Landing?
    Ominously attending a wedding on a bridge.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited May 12
    Cookie said:

    Eabhal said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Can any labour MP get through an interview without mentioning free breakfast clubs?

    Actually, this is a really good policy. It just sounds underwhelming. They ought to be framing it in a way like: "modern life shits all over those who are trying to do their bit: those who are trying to both work and raise a family - those who are doing their bit for the future of our country - find countless obstacles in their way. Labour are trying to dismantle those obstacles."

    I've used breakfast clubs, and even to me they sound fluffy and peripheral (which they very much are not). Perhaps its the association with the 80s film.
    Preparation for school clubs. But Labour doesn't like prep schools.
    It was quite a shock when my children got to be school age to find that the state expected me to drop my kids off no later than 8.50am in the morning every day with my employer expecting me to arrive at work 6 miles away at 9am. You could get round this by taking them to breakfast club, but this was £5 a day (ten years ago - I guess it will be more now). Actually having some provision where you can drop them off early, for free, in order to get to work feels like at least the state isn't actively kicking you in the face for trying to do your bit. For me, breakfast is an added bonus (though for many children it will be critical).
    Should help with walking and cycling too. More time to drop off and then head to work.
    Indeed. On the days when I dropped my kids at breakfast club (this was before it was free, but the point still stands), I would walk the kids down to school about 7.45, walk back, walk to the tram stop, and head in, and be at work for 9. On the days I didn't, I'd drive down to school, park as close as I could, drop them off at 8.50, get back in the car, drive to the tram, park as close as I could, and just make it in to work for 9.30.
    Parents don't necessarily want to drive their kids to school. But - given that primary schools insist on children being handed over - you can't just leave them in the playground - for many having their cars ready to leap into as soon as they're out the school gate is the only way both school drop off and the commute are possible.
    I agree. It's a major step forward for those it impacts. And a removal of a needless barrier to work.
    Hasn't been fully funded, mind. So most schools are making a loss from it. Which is coming out of other budgets.
    The handing over thing is because of the laws on in loco parentis.
    Spent a frustrating proportion of time dealing with complaints from parents about what happened on the bus/outside the school gates.
    And having to basically say it's nowt to do with us.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,555

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    Have palm tree leaves been laid down for him?
    Nearest body of water for him to walk upon is the Boating Lake in Regent's Park.
    You saying he can't swim? (Old LBJ joke)
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,419

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2054151947075088818

    Exclusive in the @Telegraph live blog: Andy Burnham arrives at Euston Station just now amid chaos in No10

    Is this like Gazza turning up with a fishing rod and 4 cans of lager?
    More like John Terry kitting up this coming Saturday and standing in the back row if Chelsea win :)
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