I commend at least some of the PLP for listening to voters and doing what is necessary. I must confess, I thought for a long while we’d just have another Brown situation.
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
But I suspect it won't because the internal fighting will be a sight to behold and remember we have been in the "entertainment" timeline ever since weasel was found at CERN
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
ETA although I guess brave Sir Burnham might then be usurped by Sadiq Khan, king of the mayors and a lawyer to boot, whose term also expires in 2028, although he has given no sign of wanting to step down (in case this is mistaken for serious betting advice).
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
But what if - I admit the possibility is low - Streeting and co are doing quite well?
It’d be a mistake to block him again but I think him being in the cabinet is more likely than him being PM at this stage.
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Even if Starmer did announce a timetable for his resignation that isn't technically being ousted in the sense of losing a leadership challenge. We have to see what he announces first. Unless he announces Burnham can return as an MP and give time for that it also means Streeting would likely be next PM, which would infuriate the Labour left, or Rayner, which would terrify the Labour right and not necessarily improve Labour's situation unity wise
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
I've seen Kes. If they fly whippets and shove ferrets down their trousers while clog-dancing, they're northerners.
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Sensible but when have labour been sensible ?
When was the last time any political party was sensible?
(And the problem with Andy B's plan B is that 2028 is probably too late for him, career-wise. Other Labour figures will surely emerge in that time.)
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
What do you want an apology for again? I said I wouldn’t buy two of them as I don’t think they are quite as old as claimed. I’ve not insulted you family line, or suggested you think two chaps resting in a field are early homosexuals because you have dark thoughts about your own sexuality. If the6 make you happy, go for it.
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
The fact you’re becoming obsessed with this tile and have spent the best part of a day talking about is concerning! I are you that bored !
'Senior minister Darren Jones suggests any return of Manchester mayor Andy Burnham would be "fantasy politics", telling the BBC conversations about "strategy" should happen "internally - as opposed to in public" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
Yet it is North of the Midlands which clearly aren’t in the South.
Even if Starmer did announce a timetable for his resignation that isn't technically being ousted in the sense of losing a leadership challenge. We have to see what he announces first. Unless he announces Burnham can return as an MP and give time for that it also means Streeting would likely be next PM, which would infuriate the Labour left, or Rayner, which would terrify the Labour right and not necessarily improve Labour's situation unity wise
If, and it is if, Starmer announces his resignation it most certainly is him being ousted by his colleagues
And not at all sure it will be a Streeting coronation
Reform extend their lead after the local elections then, now over 10% over the now second placed Tories with Labour falling to tied 3rd with the Greens. Very poor for the LDs too as they fall back 1% so no normal post local elections bounce for them
Yes they are. There were far more illegal boat crossings in the Viking era, or the Norman conquest, or the Henrician war, or even in the Orange Revolution. And a great many got through in the 1940s as well.
The fact the State Department have only a tenuous hold on reality shouldn't blind us to the fact that actually 'small boat crossings' are a total red herring whipped up by Frogface because he's as stupid as he is venal. Most immigrants arrive by air and the problem is the systems we have to deal with them.
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
The fact you’re becoming obsessed with this tile and have spent the best part of a day talking about is concerning! I are you that bored !
To alleviate boredom. Why else does anyone come here.
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
When you go for your morning crap you can tell us all about your 16th century toilet roll holder and your special toilet paper made out of processed duck feathers. Meanwhile we'll just have to endure another extract from Pseud's Corner...
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
What do you want an apology for again? I said I wouldn’t buy two of them as I don’t think they are quite as old as claimed. I’ve not insulted you family line, or suggested you think two chaps resting in a field are early homosexuals because you have dark thoughts about your own sexuality. If the6 make you happy, go for it.
Because
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Sensible but when have labour been sensible ?
When was the last time any political party was sensible?
(And the problem with Andy B's plan B is that 2028 is probably too late for him, career-wise. Other Labour figures will surely emerge in that time.)
Politics in Britain very rarely hands out second chances, anyhow.
'Senior minister Darren Jones suggests any return of Manchester mayor Andy Burnham would be "fantasy politics", telling the BBC conversations about "strategy" should happen "internally - as opposed to in public" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
If you're Burnham, do you have either Mike Kane or Andrew Western hold a press conference this morning announcing they are resigning as MPs and support Burnham as there replacement?
Surely the NEC wouldn't block him in these circumstances
It sounds so easy but it means a major change of direction, at the least, for the would-be former MP. It's hard to believe anyone would sacrifice a well paid post unless they'd found it wasn't for them. What would be in it for the designated sacrificial lamb?
Even if Starmer did announce a timetable for his resignation that isn't technically being ousted in the sense of losing a leadership challenge. We have to see what he announces first. Unless he announces Burnham can return as an MP and give time for that it also means Streeting would likely be next PM, which would infuriate the Labour left, or Rayner, which would terrify the Labour right and not necessarily improve Labour's situation unity wise
If, and it is if, Starmer announces his resignation it most certainly is him being ousted by his colleagues
And not at all sure it will be a Streeting coronation
There won't be any coronation, it would most likely end up a bloody fight between Streeting and Rayner and a furious Burnham not able to take part. Unless Streeting could somehow deny Ange the 80 Labour MPs she needs to be nominated
Allies of Burnham tell me this morning a timetable of electing a new Labour leader and PM by conference end of Sept would give the Manchester mayor enough time to get back to Westminster and stand. “Colleagues will not accept another London leader”
'Senior minister Darren Jones suggests any return of Manchester mayor Andy Burnham would be "fantasy politics", telling the BBC conversations about "strategy" should happen "internally - as opposed to in public" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
Oooh. Skyr wants Wes?
Yes and no.
He absolutely doesn't want Andy Burnham who he thinks is putting ego over the greater good.
'Senior minister Darren Jones suggests any return of Manchester mayor Andy Burnham would be "fantasy politics", telling the BBC conversations about "strategy" should happen "internally - as opposed to in public" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
Oooh. Skyr wants Wes?
Yes and no.
He absolutely doesn't want Andy Burnham who he thinks is putting ego over the greater good.
Reform extend their lead after the local elections then, now over 10% over the now second placed Tories with Labour falling to tied 3rd with the Greens. Very poor for the LDs too as they fall back 1% so no normal post local elections bounce for them
Reform extend their lead after the local elections then, now over 10% over the now second placed Tories with Labour falling to tied 3rd with the Greens. Very poor for the LDs too as they fall back 1% so no normal post local elections bounce for them
Insofar as it's not just MoE, it's a little lift to the parties that carried the headlines after the elections, and likely just a short-term reversal in Reform's slow falling back from its peak. We have the long slow drip of emerging scandal and chaotic administration to look forward to from all the hundreds of Reform councillors just elected without proper vetting, relevant experience and, in some cases, the inclination to do the job.
'Senior minister Darren Jones suggests any return of Manchester mayor Andy Burnham would be "fantasy politics", telling the BBC conversations about "strategy" should happen "internally - as opposed to in public" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
Oooh. Skyr wants Wes?
Yes and no.
He absolutely doesn't want Andy Burnham who he thinks is putting ego over the greater good.
If you're Burnham, do you have either Mike Kane or Andrew Western hold a press conference this morning announcing they are resigning as MPs and support Burnham as there replacement?
Surely the NEC wouldn't block him in these circumstances
It sounds so easy but it means a major change of direction, at the least, for the would-be former MP. It's hard to believe anyone would sacrifice a well paid post unless they'd found it wasn't for them. What would be in it for the designated sacrificial lamb?
A peerage? A quango? Retirement a couple of years before they planned to retire anyway? Getting a head start on 200 other Labour MPs who might be looking for other jobs after the next election?
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
When you go for your morning crap you can tell us all about your 16th century toilet roll holder and your special toilet paper made out of processed duck feathers. Meanwhile we'll just have to endure another extract from Pseud's Corner...
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
'Senior minister Darren Jones suggests any return of Manchester mayor Andy Burnham would be "fantasy politics", telling the BBC conversations about "strategy" should happen "internally - as opposed to in public" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
Oooh. Skyr wants Wes?
Yes and no.
He absolutely doesn't want Andy Burnham who he thinks is putting ego over the greater good.
For once I agree with Skyr. Burnham’s desperate careerism is an ugly spectacle
But then Starmer is guilty of the same, if not worse, as he’s PM
'Senior minister Darren Jones suggests any return of Manchester mayor Andy Burnham would be "fantasy politics", telling the BBC conversations about "strategy" should happen "internally - as opposed to in public" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
Oooh. Skyr wants Wes?
Yes and no.
He absolutely doesn't want Andy Burnham who he thinks is putting ego over the greater good.
For once I find myself in agreement with the PM.
Edit - oh, and with about 6 of his voters apparently...
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
Midlands, surely. My view from the Firth of Forth suggests the Tyne is pretty central too
Allies of Burnham tell me this morning a timetable of electing a new Labour leader and PM by conference end of Sept would give the Manchester mayor enough time to get back to Westminster and stand. “Colleagues will not accept another London leader”
Blair was ousted, no doubt about it. Brown and the PLP forced him out. The process made it look like Blair had chosen to go in order to pander to his ego, but no-one was fooled.
Anyway TSE might as well hold on for a bit as it will shortly transpire that the number of Labour leaders ousted by their party has reached 2, both PMs.
PS. Would a bar chart of the number of serving PMs forced from office in the last 52 years then show 2 each for Labour and Conservative?
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
What do you want an apology for again? I said I wouldn’t buy two of them as I don’t think they are quite as old as claimed. I’ve not insulted you family line, or suggested you think two chaps resting in a field are early homosexuals because you have dark thoughts about your own sexuality. If the6 make you happy, go for it.
Because
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
Just to be clear, you are suggesting that people on PB should apologise for having a "bogus air of authority"? Have you thought this through?
Wes Streeting is already facing growing calls to stand down as PM
Wes Streeting is a somewhat more egotistical and less experienced version of Starmer. If he's the answer, Labour are asking the wrong question.
Although I think the point is moot as he has little chance of becoming leader.
Interestingly, having offered my own view based on the eight years we spent on the same council, a Labour MP interviewed on LBC yesterday offered essentially the same critique, that despite Wes's obvious ability and talent as a communicator, he's someone who doesn't consult or listen and his default approach, once he's decided himself what needs to be done, is to flatten all opposition and steamroller it through. You might argue that the country could do with a dose of such decisiveness and determination right now, but whether it's the best way to try and lead an organisation like the Labour Party is another matter altogether.
Even if Starmer did announce a timetable for his resignation that isn't technically being ousted in the sense of losing a leadership challenge. We have to see what he announces first. Unless he announces Burnham can return as an MP and give time for that it also means Streeting would likely be next PM, which would infuriate the Labour left, or Rayner, which would terrify the Labour right and not necessarily improve Labour's situation unity wise
If, and it is if, Starmer announces his resignation it most certainly is him being ousted by his colleagues
And not at all sure it will be a Streeting coronation
Is there recent member polling on alternatives?
Also have they changed the electorate rules or is the vote going to be derailed by a flood of £25 "supporters" ?
Leon_RegisteredLabourSupporter could be seen on PB
Wes Streeting is already facing growing calls to stand down as PM
Wes Streeting is a somewhat more egotistical and less experienced version of Starmer. If he's the answer, Labour are asking the wrong question.
Although I think the point is moot as he has little chance of becoming leader.
Interestingly, having offered my own view based on the eight years we spent on the same council, a Labour MP interviewed on LBC yesterday offered essentially the same critique, that despite Wes's obvious ability and talent as a communicator, he's someone who doesn't consult or listen and his default approach, once he's decided himself what needs to be done, is to flatten all opposition and steamroller it through. You might argue that the country could do with a dose of such decisiveness and determination right now, but whether it's the best way to try and lead an organisation like the Labour Party is another matter altogether.
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
What do you want an apology for again? I said I wouldn’t buy two of them as I don’t think they are quite as old as claimed. I’ve not insulted you family line, or suggested you think two chaps resting in a field are early homosexuals because you have dark thoughts about your own sexuality. If the6 make you happy, go for it.
Because
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
Just to be clear, you are suggesting that people on PB should apologise for having a "bogus air of authority"? Have you thought this through?
++++++
Again, and very obviously, this is a self deprecating joke. Am I aiming too high on PB? Shall I write [joke!] after every joke?
If you're Burnham, do you have either Mike Kane or Andrew Western hold a press conference this morning announcing they are resigning as MPs and support Burnham as there replacement?
Surely the NEC wouldn't block him in these circumstances
It sounds so easy but it means a major change of direction, at the least, for the would-be former MP. It's hard to believe anyone would sacrifice a well paid post unless they'd found it wasn't for them. What would be in it for the designated sacrificial lamb?
The UK system is not as corrupt as the US one but the patronage of the PM certainly offers opportunities well beyond a couple of years as an MP in an unpopular government. So assuming they believe Burnham will become PM lots of options available.
Allies of Burnham tell me this morning a timetable of electing a new Labour leader and PM by conference end of Sept would give the Manchester mayor enough time to get back to Westminster and stand. “Colleagues will not accept another London leader”
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
Yet it is North of the Midlands which clearly aren’t in the South.
A true northerner holds that the south starts ten miles south of where he was born. So, Macclesfield.
Wes Streeting is already facing growing calls to stand down as PM
Wes Streeting is a somewhat more egotistical and less experienced version of Starmer. If he's the answer, Labour are asking the wrong question.
Although I think the point is moot as he has little chance of becoming leader.
I would laugh if it was Streeting, he is a Blairite to Starmer's Brownite and would move Labour further right infuriating Rayner and Burnham. Most Labour MPs probably want Streeting, most Labour members Burnham or Rayner.
Basically, Streeting is Rishi to Burnham's Boris and Rayner's Truss
Even if Starmer did announce a timetable for his resignation that isn't technically being ousted in the sense of losing a leadership challenge. We have to see what he announces first. Unless he announces Burnham can return as an MP and give time for that it also means Streeting would likely be next PM, which would infuriate the Labour left, or Rayner, which would terrify the Labour right and not necessarily improve Labour's situation unity wise
If, and it is if, Starmer announces his resignation it most certainly is him being ousted by his colleagues
And not at all sure it will be a Streeting coronation
Is there recent member polling on alternatives?
Also have they changed the electorate rules or is the vote going to be derailed by a flood of £25 "supporters" ?
Leon_RegisteredLabourSupporter could be seen on PB
We really need to stop the membership of the party in Government from having a say on leadership. In opposition you can elect Corbyn, but when in power let the people who work with them day in day out select who would be the best leader. Labour's policy for selecting a leader were the PM to leave instantly is the best approach - let the cabinet select from within.
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
Midlands, surely. My view from the Firth of Forth suggests the Tyne is pretty central too
Suggesting that my south mancunian housemates were from the North Midlands was guaranteed to liven things up after a few beers
So on the day that the Labour PM is considering his position, the leading pollster produces a poll showing Labour in SIXTH place. I suggest this is suboptimal for fans of Sir Keir
'Senior minister Darren Jones suggests any return of Manchester mayor Andy Burnham would be "fantasy politics", telling the BBC conversations about "strategy" should happen "internally - as opposed to in public" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
Oooh. Skyr wants Wes?
Yes and no.
He absolutely doesn't want Andy Burnham who he thinks is putting ego over the greater good.
For once I agree with Skyr. Burnham’s desperate careerism is an ugly spectacle
But then Starmer is guilty of the same, if not worse, as he’s PM
Could say same for Streeting, and his machinations.
Labour's problem is with WWC voters in north. The urban yuppies will return out of fear of the fascistos.
That's why Labour have to go for Burnham. Can you imagine how Wes will go down in County Durham or Nottinghamshire?
If Burnham could put aside his personal hubris, he should realise that he and his legacy would do far better if he remained Mayor of GM, with a reputation of being"the best Prime Minister we never had", because let's face it, based on his previous tenure in the Commons, did he ever really achieve anything of note?
Why do people think that as PM he would be able to do a significantly better job than any of the recent incumbents?
We live in extraordinary times, and we need an extraordinary leader. I just don't see one lurking in any of the current parties, sadly. They've all been caught up in the populist trend - I must give my supporters what they want, not what they need.
If Starmer goes I’m looking forward to Trump’s pronouncement on the matter. I am imagining that there will be comments along the lines of:
“It’s sad what happened to him, he was good until he stopped listening to me.” “I tried to help him be part of the most successful war in history ever”. “If he had listened to my advice about not letting in immigrants this wouldn’t have happened”.
It will all be about Trump and magical advice ignored.
If Starmer goes I’m looking forward to Trump’s pronouncement on the matter. I am imagining that there will be comments along the lines of:
“It’s sad what happened to him, he was good until he stopped listening to me.” “I tried to help him be part of the most successful war in history ever”. “If he had listened to my advice about not letting in immigrants this wouldn’t have happened”.
It will all be about Trump and magical advice ignored.
Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention.
Well, if we're being all high brow, I'm about halfway through The Broken Seals, the first volume of The Marshes of Mount Liang. It's the full version (120 chapters), and the 100 chapter version by Sidney Shapiro[sp] is one of my favourite books.
I'm really rather enjoying it. There are many variations I've noticed (not reading them side-by-side) such as Panther Head Lin Chong becoming Leopard Head, and Nine Dragons Shi Jin becoming the Tattooed Dragon (or similar).
Fantastic story. Think of Robin Hood, set in Ancient China, directed by Quentin Tarantino (but with less women/feet), on a scale of Lord of the Rings. Action all over the place.
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
What do you want an apology for again? I said I wouldn’t buy two of them as I don’t think they are quite as old as claimed. I’ve not insulted you family line, or suggested you think two chaps resting in a field are early homosexuals because you have dark thoughts about your own sexuality. If the6 make you happy, go for it.
Because
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
Just to be clear, you are suggesting that people on PB should apologise for having a "bogus air of authority"? Have you thought this through?
++++++
Again, and very obviously, this is a self deprecating joke. Am I aiming too high on PB? Shall I write [joke!] after every joke?
Allies of Burnham tell me this morning a timetable of electing a new Labour leader and PM by conference end of Sept would give the Manchester mayor enough time to get back to Westminster and stand. “Colleagues will not accept another London leader”
"Colleagues" of course only have a third of a say - but Labour Party MPs don't strike me as particularly averse to the concept of London MPs. And members, who hold another third of the vote, are famously London-dominated. And of course due to the peculiarity of the Labour Party, unions get the remaining third of the vote. God knows what they think. I'd suggest AB has the kernel of a point that there may be some electoral advantage to considering a leader from outside of London. But leadership elections are rarely about voters.
Have I got the mechanics of the leadership election right? Or am I out of date? Are the three quidders still a thing?
If Burnham could put aside his personal hubris, he should realise that he and his legacy would do far better if he remained Mayor of GM, with a reputation of being"the best Prime Minister we never had", because let's face it, based on his previous tenure in the Commons, did he ever really achieve anything of note?
Why do people think that as PM he would be able to do a significantly better job than any of the recent incumbents?
We live in extraordinary times, and we need an extraordinary leader. I just don't see one lurking in any of the current parties, sadly. They've all been caught up in the populist trend - I must give my supporters what they want, not what they need.
As Bunrham is the only Labour contender who clearly outpolls Farage
Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango
For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done
You have a magical piece of European history repurposed
But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic
It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them
My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love
Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing
So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??
I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
I thought that was your state of being, irrespective of external stimulus ?
I’m now drinking my morning coffee from my £16 ANTIQUE COFFEE CAN (NB @turbotubbs - you still haven’t apologised) and I’m looking at it again and I’ve noticed the lower figure has his hand on the other guy’s thigh. Squeezing it?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
What do you want an apology for again? I said I wouldn’t buy two of them as I don’t think they are quite as old as claimed. I’ve not insulted you family line, or suggested you think two chaps resting in a field are early homosexuals because you have dark thoughts about your own sexuality. If the6 make you happy, go for it.
Because
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
Just to be clear, you are suggesting that people on PB should apologise for having a "bogus air of authority"? Have you thought this through?
++++++
Again, and very obviously, this is a self deprecating joke. Am I aiming too high on PB? Shall I write [joke!] after every joke?
Allies of Burnham tell me this morning a timetable of electing a new Labour leader and PM by conference end of Sept would give the Manchester mayor enough time to get back to Westminster and stand. “Colleagues will not accept another London leader”
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
Yet it is North of the Midlands which clearly aren’t in the South.
A true northerner holds that the south starts ten miles south of where he was born. So, Macclesfield.
On that basis it's the border is Birtley or Washington (not DC).
Worth saying that the centre of England is in Fenny Drayton, Leicestershire. The center of the United Kingdom is Whitendale Hanging Stones in Lancashire that is 110(ish) miles further north.
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
Midlands, surely. My view from the Firth of Forth suggests the Tyne is pretty central too
From my perch south of the Eden and Solway Firth, and a fortiori south of the Tyne I can see Scotland clearly and Manchester is 120 miles south. I don't think I live in the south. Hackney, where I was born, feels a long way away.
If this is the trajectory of the regime after Starmer it’s deffo back to the seventies.
‘ BREAKING: Labour’s influential Tribune group of more than 100 MPs has called for less “caution” on fiscal policy in a new pamphlet that demands a change of direction to the left
Louise Haigh, the Labour MP who chairs the group, says the current structure of the UK Treasury’s role in fiscal policy “resolved in favour of caution”
She says Britain’s “fiscal and institutional framework” is “unfit for purpose”
She also calls for major tax rises on wealth
With extraordinary timing, Tribune has published this pamphlet at the exact same time as the bond market opens this morning’
Allies of Burnham tell me this morning a timetable of electing a new Labour leader and PM by conference end of Sept would give the Manchester mayor enough time to get back to Westminster and stand. “Colleagues will not accept another London leader”
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
Manchester is south of the Tyne and therefore in the South
Yet it is North of the Midlands which clearly aren’t in the South.
A true northerner holds that the south starts ten miles south of where he was born. So, Macclesfield.
On that basis it's the border is Birtley or Washington (not DC).
Worth saying that the centre of England is in Fenny Drayton, Leicestershire. The center of the United Kingdom is Whitendale Hanging Stones in Lancashire that is 110(ish) miles further north.
That would make the border pretty much where I used to work !
Meriden always branded itself as the centre of England.
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But I suspect it won't because the internal fighting will be a sight to behold and remember we have been in the "entertainment" timeline ever since weasel was found at CERN
Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
ETA although I guess brave Sir Burnham might then be usurped by Sadiq Khan, king of the mayors and a lawyer to boot, whose term also expires in 2028, although he has given no sign of wanting to step down (in case this is mistaken for serious betting advice).
“While the United Kingdom faced unprecedented illegal boat crossings, UN agencies condemned plans for deportations.
UN officials lobbied aviation regulators to prevent the deportation of migrants – an appalling violation of the UK’s national sovereignty.”
https://x.com/statedept/status/2053907257600188555?s=46
It’d be a mistake to block him again but I think him being in the cabinet is more likely than him being PM at this stage.
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
(And the problem with Andy B's plan B is that 2028 is probably too late for him, career-wise. Other Labour figures will surely emerge in that time.)
Finally, after exhausting every other option, Britain is ready for chaos with Ed Miliband.
Reform 25%, Labour 18%.
It would not take much of a change at all with a new leader for Labour to be back up above 20% again. And then the entire narrative is different.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt
If it fails, there will be plenty of time to put heads on spikes afterwards.
YouGov / Sky / Times
RefUK 28% (+3),
CON 17% (nc),
GRN 16% (+1).
LAB 16% (-2),
LDEM 13% (-1)
Never mind
YouGov / Sky / Times
RefUK 28% (+3),
CON 17% (nc),
GRN 16% (+1).
LAB 16% (-2),
LDEM 13% (-1),
And not at all sure it will be a Streeting coronation
The fact the State Department have only a tenuous hold on reality shouldn't blind us to the fact that actually 'small boat crossings' are a total red herring whipped up by Frogface because he's as stupid as he is venal. Most immigrants arrive by air and the problem is the systems we have to deal with them.
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2054099502127067214
He absolutely doesn't want Andy Burnham who he thinks is putting ego over the greater good.
He absolutely doesn't want Andy Burnham who he thinks is putting ego over the greater good.
But then Starmer is guilty of the same, if not worse, as he’s PM
Edit - oh, and with about 6 of his voters apparently...
10 year at 5.10 at 8.27
A government only 12% behind in the polls in midterm isn't too bad in the grand scheme of things.
My view from the Firth of Forth suggests the Tyne is pretty central too
Wes Streeting is already facing growing calls to stand down as PM
And according to Wikipedia, there are 75 London Labour MPs. Big place, London.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Labour_Party_MPs_in_London
Blair was ousted, no doubt about it. Brown and the PLP forced him out. The process made it look like Blair had chosen to go in order to pander to his ego, but no-one was fooled.
Anyway TSE might as well hold on for a bit as it will shortly transpire that the number of Labour leaders ousted by their party has reached 2, both PMs.
PS. Would a bar chart of the number of serving PMs forced from office in the last 52 years then show 2 each for Labour and Conservative?
So, definitely sexual. Yet I’ve also noticed the upper figure is slightly female in shape despite the beard. Is this about women cross dressing as men, on pleasant Dutch farms, so they can seduce workers and undermine 17th century Dutch farming production?
Quite a complex message. For a tile
What do you want an apology for again? I said I wouldn’t buy two of them as I don’t think they are quite as old as claimed. I’ve not insulted you family line, or suggested you think two chaps resting in a field are early homosexuals because you have dark thoughts about your own sexuality. If the6 make you happy, go for it.
Because
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
Just to be clear, you are suggesting that people on PB should apologise for having a "bogus air of authority"? Have you thought this through?
Although I think the point is moot as he has little chance of becoming leader.
.....and how did Find Out Now do?
Also have they changed the electorate rules or is the vote going to be derailed by a flood of £25 "supporters" ?
Leon_RegisteredLabourSupporter could be seen on PB
We do not want it applied to the whole country.
Because
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
Just to be clear, you are suggesting that people on PB should apologise for having a "bogus air of authority"? Have you thought this through?
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Again, and very obviously, this is a self deprecating joke. Am I aiming too high on PB? Shall I write [joke!] after every joke?
So, Macclesfield.
Basically, Streeting is Rishi to Burnham's Boris and Rayner's Truss
Reform: 360
Green: 75
Lib: 69
Con: 51
SNP: 45
Lab: 23
So on the day that the Labour PM is considering his position, the leading pollster produces a poll showing Labour in SIXTH place. I suggest this is suboptimal for fans of Sir Keir
Labour's problem is with WWC voters in north. The urban yuppies will return out of fear of the fascistos.
That's why Labour have to go for Burnham. Can you imagine how Wes will go down in County Durham or Nottinghamshire?
Why do people think that as PM he would be able to do a significantly better job than any of the recent incumbents?
We live in extraordinary times, and we need an extraordinary leader. I just don't see one lurking in any of the current parties, sadly. They've all been caught up in the populist trend - I must give my supporters what they want, not what they need.
“It’s sad what happened to him, he was good until he stopped listening to me.” “I tried to help him be part of the most successful war in history ever”. “If he had listened to my advice about not letting in immigrants this wouldn’t have happened”.
It will all be about Trump and magical advice ignored.
I'm really rather enjoying it. There are many variations I've noticed (not reading them side-by-side) such as Panther Head Lin Chong becoming Leopard Head, and Nine Dragons Shi Jin becoming the Tattooed Dragon (or similar).
Fantastic story. Think of Robin Hood, set in Ancient China, directed by Quentin Tarantino (but with less women/feet), on a scale of Lord of the Rings. Action all over the place.
1. You implied that I’m a fool being duped, when I’m not. These cups are not fake, they are the real thing, they ARE that cheap, they are exactly that old (we know the precise patterns used by English porcelain manufacturers in specific years)
So, you were totally wrong. Admit it
Also
2. You waded in on a subject about which you know nothing - and, worse, you did it with a bogus air of authority. I find this personally and utterly objectionable
Just to be clear, you are suggesting that people on PB should apologise for having a "bogus air of authority"? Have you thought this through?
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Again, and very obviously, this is a self deprecating joke. Am I aiming too high on PB? Shall I write [joke!] after every joke?
Well, mine was an attempt at a joke too @Leon_VotedForStarmer
And members, who hold another third of the vote, are famously London-dominated.
And of course due to the peculiarity of the Labour Party, unions get the remaining third of the vote. God knows what they think.
I'd suggest AB has the kernel of a point that there may be some electoral advantage to considering a leader from outside of London. But leadership elections are rarely about voters.
Have I got the mechanics of the leadership election right? Or am I out of date? Are the three quidders still a thing?
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Again, and very obviously, this is a self deprecating joke. Am I aiming too high on PB? Shall I write [joke!] after every joke?
Well, mine was an attempt at a joke too @Leon_VotedForStarmer
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Then let us play the harps of sweet concord, and turn our attention to the dramaturgy on Downing Street
Worth saying that the centre of England is in Fenny Drayton, Leicestershire. The center of the United Kingdom is Whitendale Hanging Stones in Lancashire that is 110(ish) miles further north.
If this is the trajectory of the regime after Starmer it’s deffo back to the seventies.
‘ BREAKING: Labour’s influential Tribune group of more than 100 MPs has called for less “caution” on fiscal policy in a new pamphlet that demands a change of direction to the left
Louise Haigh, the Labour MP who chairs the group, says the current structure of the UK Treasury’s role in fiscal policy “resolved in favour of caution”
She says Britain’s “fiscal and institutional framework” is “unfit for purpose”
She also calls for major tax rises on wealth
With extraordinary timing, Tribune has published this pamphlet at the exact same time as the bond market opens this morning’
https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2054094226049192356?s=61
Meriden always branded itself as the centre of England.