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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Is Starmer gone yet?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,989
    Sandpit said:

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
    The water extraction wasn't illegal. They had a meter legally installed. The utility just forgot to read it, they were in the middle of switching from a manual system to an automated one and they wrongly assumed the meter in question was on the automated one. Then they realized their mistake and sent the company a bill, which the company paid.

    Someone then apparently got hold of a letter sent to them about this and jumped to a bunch of wrong conclusions, and a journalist wrote a deliberately misleading article for clicks because people are desperate to believe in this entirely fake issue.
    It’s almost as if there’s a very well funded and organised campaign being put together to lobby against data centres in the US.
    I mean there could be but I think this is adequately explained by people being reactionary and dumb.
  • AndypetsAndypets Posts: 13

    Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango

    For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done

    You have a magical piece of European history repurposed

    But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic

    It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them

    My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love



    Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango

    For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done

    You have a magical piece of European history repurposed

    But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic

    It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them

    My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love



    Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited May 12
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've thought of a new slogan for the Greens:

    If you want to feel a bigger tit, vote Polanski.

    His frequent flights of CV fancy have earned him the title Walter Titty apparently.
    So who had Polanski in the sweepstake, as the first politician this year to be tripped up with a small boat problem?
    Da online yutt are big on people being their authentic self. Unlike Jezza he is absolutely isnt being
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080
    Sandpit said:

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
    The water extraction wasn't illegal. They had a meter legally installed. The utility just forgot to read it, they were in the middle of switching from a manual system to an automated one and they wrongly assumed the meter in question was on the automated one. Then they realized their mistake and sent the company a bill, which the company paid.

    Someone then apparently got hold of a letter sent to them about this and jumped to a bunch of wrong conclusions, and a journalist wrote a deliberately misleading article for clicks because people are desperate to believe in this entirely fake issue.
    It’s almost as if there’s a very well funded and organised campaign being put together to lobby against data centres in the US.
    Well,quite. They have their NIMBYs too.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916

    GIN1138 said:

    biggles said:

    If the PM goes two days before a King’s Speech, then what dot you do? You can’t have THAT speech because the new PM may not like it.

    Do you have an ultra short Parliament with stuff everyone sort of agrees with? Now to Sep to cover a leadership election then go again?

    But do you do that, then Labour are giving up another six months of nothing happening.

    Why not prorogue Parliament like Boris and Cummings did? :D
    I can see why this will be causing consternation in Downing Street and Buckingham Palace. It is astonishing that no-one is even mentioning the theory of what is / could happen. My guess is that precedent will be broken.

    Today, either Starmer kisses hands and some interim Labour person, I kid you not, Lammy goes to the palace and is PM by this evening

    OR None of this happens

    Tomorrow we have the State Opening of Parliament with the King reading the Speech prepared by the PM, Starmer or LAMMY !!!

    There is the vote on the King's Speech. Either it is supported or it is voted down. If Starmer is still PM the speech needs to be voted down by all genuine opposition and those MPs formerly on the government benches who oppose Starmer.

    If it is Lammy's Speech, heaven help us, it should PASS and Lammy is PM with the support of the HoC, No it isn't 1st April.

    If the Speech is VOTED DOWN then precedent is pretty clear, If the failing PM is Starmer then the King should call on Lammy to see if he can form a government. At that point it is the King's choice, not Labour's

    If it is already Lammy, and it ought to be but his speech is voted down, THEN the King must call on the Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition to see if she can form an Administration.

    The Leader of the Opposition will attempt to form a minority administration. Because of the numbers she ought to include Reform MPs and LD MPs, maybe even Scot Nats. This government will presumably fall. But, not necessarily. Importantly Kemi IS PM. At this point Kemi informs the King she is unable to command a majority in the HoC and calls for a Dissolution with a GE presumably 1st week in July.

    But during the interim Kemi will be PM. You can see why Labour will have to have an interim PM today to avoid all this.
    What usually happens is that the departing PM stays on as PM until the party has chosen a new leader. I don’t see any reason why that won’t be what happens now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,826
    Widespread rape, sexual assault and torture of Palestinian men, women and children in Israeli custody.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html?smid=url-share
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,238

    Anyone have Mahmood on their bingo card?

    No.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371

    Clear evidence that Starmer is trying to hang on.

    https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1EmpUCfoAk/

    That will go viral.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371

    Is Starmer gone yet?

    Never resign before a good lunch.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Sandpit said:

    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.

    This issue is as fake as the datacenter water thing. There's a Prime Minister, he'll give the King a speech, which the King will read out. If the Prime Minister resigns the King will appoint a new Prime Minister, probably on the advice of the current one, and that person will give him a different speech which he will read out.
    All true, but I’m sure His Majesty would prefer that the PM remains in place at least until the speech is debated.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    Detailed podcast for polling on Trump's approval:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vK2YfAxwo
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.

    This issue is as fake as the datacenter water thing. There's a Prime Minister, he'll give the King a speech, which the King will read out. If the Prime Minister resigns the King will appoint a new Prime Minister, probably on the advice of the current one, and that person will give him a different speech which he will read out.
    All true, but I’m sure His Majesty would prefer that the PM remains in place at least until the speech is debated.
    Truss stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Johnson stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Blair stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Thatcher stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Why on earth would Starmer do anything differently?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    Burnham can’t announce anything until he knows what’s happening with Starmer .

    If Starmer doesn’t agree to a long timetable then it’s over for Burnham . That will of course lead to a complete implosion in Labour .

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.

    This issue is as fake as the datacenter water thing. There's a Prime Minister, he'll give the King a speech, which the King will read out. If the Prime Minister resigns the King will appoint a new Prime Minister, probably on the advice of the current one, and that person will give him a different speech which he will read out.
    All true, but I’m sure His Majesty would prefer that the PM remains in place at least until the speech is debated.
    Truss stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Johnson stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Blair stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Thatcher stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Why on earth would Starmer do anything differently?
    I don’t recall any of those changes took place across the Queen’s Speech though, with a lame duck in No.10 not having the confidence of their own party.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    edited May 12
    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.

    This issue is as fake as the datacenter water thing. There's a Prime Minister, he'll give the King a speech, which the King will read out. If the Prime Minister resigns the King will appoint a new Prime Minister, probably on the advice of the current one, and that person will give him a different speech which he will read out.
    All true, but I’m sure His Majesty would prefer that the PM remains in place at least until the speech is debated.
    Truss stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Johnson stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Blair stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Thatcher stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Why on earth would Starmer do anything differently?
    I don’t recall any of those changes took place across the Queen’s Speech though, with a lame duck in No.10 not having the confidence of their own party.
    If he’s a lame duck, he’s a lame duck, but he’s still PM. The King reads the speech given to him. He doesn’t have an opinion about it or the person who gave it to him. That’s how a constitutional monarchy works.

    Starmer ceasing to be PM before a new leader is chosen wouldn’t solve the lame duck problem, so that’s not a reason to think it will happen.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916

    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.

    Labour MPs are not going to vote down a Labour PM’s speech. They will machinate and scheme and have a leadership contest, but they’ll do that separately.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352
    Foxy said:

    Widespread rape, sexual assault and torture of Palestinian men, women and children in Israeli custody.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html?smid=url-share

    Awful.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,561

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.

    This issue is as fake as the datacenter water thing. There's a Prime Minister, he'll give the King a speech, which the King will read out. If the Prime Minister resigns the King will appoint a new Prime Minister, probably on the advice of the current one, and that person will give him a different speech which he will read out.
    All true, but I’m sure His Majesty would prefer that the PM remains in place at least until the speech is debated.
    Truss stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Johnson stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Blair stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Thatcher stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Why on earth would Starmer do anything differently?
    I don’t recall any of those changes took place across the Queen’s Speech though, with a lame duck in No.10 not having the confidence of their own party.
    If he’s a lame duck, he’s a lame duck, but he’s still PM. The King reads the speech given to him. He doesn’t have an opinion about it or the person who gave it to him. That’s how a constitutional monarchy works.

    Starmer ceasing to be PM before a new leader is chosen wouldn’t solve the lame duck problem, so that’s not a reason to think it will happen.
    The next PM is the next PM.

    So if Starmer did cease to be PM before a new leader is chosen then that new PM, even if a caretaker for a couple of months, would be the next PM for betting purposes.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    edited May 12

    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.

    Labour MPs are not going to vote down a Labour PM’s speech. They will machinate and scheme and have a leadership contest, but they’ll do that separately.
    I agree completely. This is more about the optics.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.

    This issue is as fake as the datacenter water thing. There's a Prime Minister, he'll give the King a speech, which the King will read out. If the Prime Minister resigns the King will appoint a new Prime Minister, probably on the advice of the current one, and that person will give him a different speech which he will read out.
    All true, but I’m sure His Majesty would prefer that the PM remains in place at least until the speech is debated.
    Truss stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Johnson stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Blair stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Thatcher stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Why on earth would Starmer do anything differently?
    I don’t recall any of those changes took place across the Queen’s Speech though, with a lame duck in No.10 not having the confidence of their own party.
    If he’s a lame duck, he’s a lame duck, but he’s still PM. The King reads the speech given to him. He doesn’t have an opinion about it or the person who gave it to him. That’s how a constitutional monarchy works.

    Starmer ceasing to be PM before a new leader is chosen wouldn’t solve the lame duck problem, so that’s not a reason to think it will happen.
    The next PM is the next PM.

    So if Starmer did cease to be PM before a new leader is chosen then that new PM, even if a caretaker for a couple of months, would be the next PM for betting purposes.
    Indeed.

    But I can’t see any reason for Starmer to cease to be PM before a new leader is chosen.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,003
    nico67 said:

    Burnham can’t announce anything until he knows what’s happening with Starmer .

    If Starmer doesn’t agree to a long timetable then it’s over for Burnham . That will of course lead to a complete implosion in Labour .

    He could put enormous pressure on the NEC if he had a seat by the end of the day.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955
    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:

    Widespread rape, sexual assault and torture of Palestinian men, women and children in Israeli custody.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html?smid=url-share

    Awful.
    If true
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.

    Labour MPs are not going to vote down a Labour PM’s speech. They will machinate and scheme and have a leadership contest, but they’ll do that separately.
    In the last 90 years only 2 Labour leaders have faced a leadership contest - Corbyn in 2016 and Kinnock in 1988.

    Both leaders won easily.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,323

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
    The water extraction wasn't illegal. They had a meter legally installed. The utility just forgot to read it, they were in the middle of switching from a manual system to an automated one and they wrongly assumed the meter in question was on the automated one. Then they realized their mistake and sent the company a bill, which the company paid.

    Someone then apparently got hold of a letter sent to them about this and jumped to a bunch of wrong conclusions, and a journalist wrote a deliberately misleading article for clicks because people are desperate to believe in this entirely fake issue.
    Not entirely fake. It did create a water shortage for ordinary users.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    And the EUs exasperation with the UK just increases.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,561

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.

    This issue is as fake as the datacenter water thing. There's a Prime Minister, he'll give the King a speech, which the King will read out. If the Prime Minister resigns the King will appoint a new Prime Minister, probably on the advice of the current one, and that person will give him a different speech which he will read out.
    All true, but I’m sure His Majesty would prefer that the PM remains in place at least until the speech is debated.
    Truss stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Johnson stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Blair stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Thatcher stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Why on earth would Starmer do anything differently?
    I don’t recall any of those changes took place across the Queen’s Speech though, with a lame duck in No.10 not having the confidence of their own party.
    If he’s a lame duck, he’s a lame duck, but he’s still PM. The King reads the speech given to him. He doesn’t have an opinion about it or the person who gave it to him. That’s how a constitutional monarchy works.

    Starmer ceasing to be PM before a new leader is chosen wouldn’t solve the lame duck problem, so that’s not a reason to think it will happen.
    The next PM is the next PM.

    So if Starmer did cease to be PM before a new leader is chosen then that new PM, even if a caretaker for a couple of months, would be the next PM for betting purposes.
    Indeed.

    But I can’t see any reason for Starmer to cease to be PM before a new leader is chosen.
    Me neither
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,238
    kle4 said:

    I refuse to believe Streeting is three years older than me if 11 years ago he looked 20 years old.
    You need the right (or left) moisturising regime.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    nico67 said:

    Burnham can’t announce anything until he knows what’s happening with Starmer .

    If Starmer doesn’t agree to a long timetable then it’s over for Burnham . That will of course lead to a complete implosion in Labour .

    He could put enormous pressure on the NEC if he had a seat by the end of the day.
    I don’t think they’d block him now . The issue is what Starmer agrees to in terms of a timetable.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,561

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    And the EUs exasperation with the UK just increases.
    Reform will simply unpick, disown or denounce anything Labour sign up to now in 3 years time.

    If I were the EU I'd be on a go-slow.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    And the EUs exasperation with the UK just increases.
    You can’t blame them . I don’t see any new PM being less enthusiastic about closer EU ties unless that is they want more Labour voters to move to the Greens . It’s just this whole leadership thing will delay the negotiations.
  • Starmer strongly likely to resign this week
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,989

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
    The water extraction wasn't illegal. They had a meter legally installed. The utility just forgot to read it, they were in the middle of switching from a manual system to an automated one and they wrongly assumed the meter in question was on the automated one. Then they realized their mistake and sent the company a bill, which the company paid.

    Someone then apparently got hold of a letter sent to them about this and jumped to a bunch of wrong conclusions, and a journalist wrote a deliberately misleading article for clicks because people are desperate to believe in this entirely fake issue.
    Not entirely fake. It did create a water shortage for ordinary users.
    Nope, the original article on this was misleadingly phrased to make it sound like the water pressure issue some residents had was connected to the datacenter construction, but it wasn't.

    See "questions about water pressure" here:
    https://thecitizen.com/2026/05/11/behind-fayettes-qts-water-controversy-a-missed-meter-8000-workers-and-a-massive-construction-project/
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,858
    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.

    That's one of the things about this hoohhah. As things stand, Starmer is horribly weakened, even more than before, but with little sign of anyone else having the breadth of support to actually win.

    The second one is worse. What policy changes is Starmer's defenestration meant to unlock? Thatcher's fall was all about sinking the poll tax. May's was (superficially) about getting Brexit done. Or is this all just about Muggin has to go because Buggin thinks it's Buggin's turn?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027

    Detailed podcast for polling on Trump's approval:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vK2YfAxwo

    I see Nate Silver's polling aggregator has dipped below -19% net approval (-19.1%) for the first time.

    If the trend continues the Dems winning both the House and the Senate in the mid-terms looks increasingly likely.
  • Herner_WerzogHerner_Werzog Posts: 16
    ydoethur said:

    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.

    Labour MPs are not going to vote down a Labour PM’s speech. They will machinate and scheme and have a leadership contest, but they’ll do that separately.
    In the last 90 years only 2 Labour leaders have faced a leadership contest - Corbyn in 2016 and Kinnock in 1988.

    Both leaders won easily.
    Hugh Gaitskell was challenged twice - 1960 and 1961
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.

    If it gets voted down it’s treated as a “no confidence” judgement by the house
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,733
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've thought of a new slogan for the Greens:

    If you want to feel a bigger tit, vote Polanski.

    His frequent flights of CV fancy have earned him the title Walter Titty apparently.
    So who had Polanski in the sweepstake, as the first politician this year to be tripped up with a small boat problem?
    Talk about a good day to bury yet more bad news about Zack Polanski last night, there is definitely serious issues with the Green Party North and South of the border when it comes to vetting issues of their candidates....
  • Lol again at Burnham supporting MPs.

    Burnham could have run in 2024 if he wanted to!

    Again he’d be a good choice but what other candidate is so special that we should wait for them to become an MP before we do anything?

    Shall we wait for the ghost of John Smith?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,826

    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:

    Widespread rape, sexual assault and torture of Palestinian men, women and children in Israeli custody.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html?smid=url-share

    Awful.
    If true
    What else is going on in this video?

    https://news.sky.com/story/video-appears-to-show-idf-soldiers-sexually-abusing-palestinian-detainee-13193857

    The 5 guards were initially charged but then all charges dropped, so no punishment. The rectal tear on the prisoner meant that he needed a colostomy.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131
    Foxy said:

    Widespread rape, sexual assault and torture of Palestinian men, women and children in Israeli custody.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html?smid=url-share

    Reported in the Guardian a couple of weeks ago.
    Tumbleweed in rest of media.

    As with the settler violence and ethnic cleansing this is tacitly supported by the Israeli govt and, and as Israel is a democracy, by the Israeli electorate.

    Israel will regret allowing this othering of fellow humans when those who've been allowed (encouraged,?) to commit these abuses return home.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,887
    Foxy said:

    Widespread rape, sexual assault and torture of Palestinian men, women and children in Israeli custody.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/opinion/israel-palestinians-sexual-violence.html?smid=url-share

    Fear not, I’m sure the Israeli authorities are investigating.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    And the EUs exasperation with the UK just increases.
    Reform will simply unpick, disown or denounce anything Labour sign up to now in 3 years time.

    If I were the EU I'd be on a go-slow.
    How would anyone notice the difference ?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132

    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.

    If it gets voted down it’s treated as a “no confidence” judgement by the house
    It won’t be though.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,733
    X
    Steven Swinford@Steven_Swinford·13m
    BREAKING:

    Darren Jones, the chief secretary to the prime minister, indicates that Sir Keir Starmer may be about to announce a timetable for his resignation

    He tells @TimesRadio
    : “He’s listening to colleagues, and he's talking to colleagues… I can't say what decision he may or may not take. I’m not going to get ahead of the prime minister's decision.”

    Darren Jones is as loyal as they come and has been put forward by No 10 to do the broadcast round

    For him to equivocate on something as fundamental as the prime minister’s future is significant

    Last night the view in No 10 was that Starmer would resist the pressure. This morning Darren Jones is saying he has a decision to make…
    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2054086222004240825
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,826
    Ratters said:

    Detailed podcast for polling on Trump's approval:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vK2YfAxwo

    I see Nate Silver's polling aggregator has dipped below -19% net approval (-19.1%) for the first time.

    If the trend continues the Dems winning both the House and the Senate in the mid-terms looks increasingly likely.
    I have my doubts now that the Southern states are all gerrymandering after last weeks gutting of the VRA.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,826
    Ratters said:

    Detailed podcast for polling on Trump's approval:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vK2YfAxwo

    I see Nate Silver's polling aggregator has dipped below -19% net approval (-19.1%) for the first time.

    If the trend continues the Dems winning both the House and the Senate in the mid-terms looks increasingly likely.
    I have my doubts now that the Southern states are all gerrymandering after last weeks gutting of the VRA.
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 508
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    They could also end the culture of shouting at and bullying referees in one afternoon by backing instant yellow or red cards for anyone who does it, but don't have the balls as all clubs would moan it was ruining the game to punish players for it.
    Yep. First game of the season. Proper tough on any backchat. Games might end up 7 vs 6 for a game or two, but they’d adapt.
    There was a proposal for "Orange Cards" for dissent, where you'd be sin binned for 5-10 minutes.
    Unnecessary complication. Like creating new laws rather than enforcing existing ones.

    Yellow for everyone who crowds round the ref shouting at them, so that's four or five usually. That's enough of a warning that the next time they do it the same game it will be down to 1-2 reds.

    At the next game none of them will do it.
    The sin bin law already exists. It is currently up to competitions to decide whether to implement it and, if so, for what offences. It is currently mandatory in England for dissent up to step 5 of the league system for men, tier 3 for women. A player who gets a caution for dissent is sin binned for 10 minutes.

    By the way, no match would ever end up as 7 vs 6. A match must be abandoned if either team has less than 7 players on the pitch, so 7 vs 7 is the minimum.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.

    If it gets voted down it’s treated as a “no confidence” judgement by the house
    It won’t be though.
    I agree. But was just clarifying your earlier answer
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    fitalass said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I've thought of a new slogan for the Greens:

    If you want to feel a bigger tit, vote Polanski.

    His frequent flights of CV fancy have earned him the title Walter Titty apparently.
    So who had Polanski in the sweepstake, as the first politician this year to be tripped up with a small boat problem?
    Talk about a good day to bury yet more bad news about Zack Polanski last night, there is definitely serious issues with the Green Party North and South of the border when it comes to vetting issues of their candidates....
    I’m expecting a raft of stories in the next couple of weeks, about unsuitable or ineligible people who unexpectedly found themselves elected to various local governments.

    Green and Reform likely to be the biggest offenders, because their official views tend to be towards the fringes anyway, and because they appear to be incapable of basic vetting of candidates.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080
    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    Firstly Jonathan Hinder never said let’s mimic Reform. Secondly he was right. starmers umpteenth relaunch was poor and, quite frankly, his comment thsat why can’t young people find opportunities in their locale is a good one too.

    Just because you don’t like the message doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.

    This issue is as fake as the datacenter water thing. There's a Prime Minister, he'll give the King a speech, which the King will read out. If the Prime Minister resigns the King will appoint a new Prime Minister, probably on the advice of the current one, and that person will give him a different speech which he will read out.
    All true, but I’m sure His Majesty would prefer that the PM remains in place at least until the speech is debated.
    Truss stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Johnson stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Blair stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Thatcher stayed on as PM while the party found a new leader. Why on earth would Starmer do anything differently?
    I don’t recall any of those changes took place across the Queen’s Speech though, with a lame duck in No.10 not having the confidence of their own party.
    If he’s a lame duck, he’s a lame duck, but he’s still PM. The King reads the speech given to him. He doesn’t have an opinion about it or the person who gave it to him. That’s how a constitutional monarchy works.

    Starmer ceasing to be PM before a new leader is chosen wouldn’t solve the lame duck problem, so that’s not a reason to think it will happen.
    The next PM is the next PM.

    So if Starmer did cease to be PM before a new leader is chosen then that new PM, even if a caretaker for a couple of months, would be the next PM for betting purposes.
    Indeed.

    But I can’t see any reason for Starmer to cease to be PM before a new leader is chosen.
    Indeed, Liz Truss is the precedent. She was terrible but hung around while a new leader was elected. There's no such thing as a "caretaker" PM.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    I think he’s going to say he’ll go by conference. Advantage Burnham.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    edited May 12

    nico67 said:

    Burnham can’t announce anything until he knows what’s happening with Starmer .

    If Starmer doesn’t agree to a long timetable then it’s over for Burnham . That will of course lead to a complete implosion in Labour .

    He could put enormous pressure on the NEC if he had a seat by the end of the day.
    Good morning

    Graham Stringer saying he will not resign his seat for Burnham and he should stay as Mayor was quite a moment

    I suspect he knows Burnham may well struggle to win any seat
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,561

    Lol again at Burnham supporting MPs.

    Burnham could have run in 2024 if he wanted to!

    Again he’d be a good choice but what other candidate is so special that we should wait for them to become an MP before we do anything?

    Shall we wait for the ghost of John Smith?

    If he has this much ego and entitlement, would he?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    Firstly Jonathan Hinder never said let’s mimic Reform. Secondly he was right. starmers umpteenth relaunch was poor and, quite frankly, his comment thsat why can’t young people find opportunities in their locale is a good one too.

    Just because you don’t like the message doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
    Clearly if he views the youth experience scheme as freedom of movement he’s swallowed the Reform Tory line .
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080
    Darren Jones doing the rounds today

    Strong feeling is it’s over for SKS from his comments.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,587

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
    Yes.
    The advantage of the it was only his big toe is that it is at least objective fact.
    Cricket works well with umpires call. Eliminates much of the arguments.

    Just stick with on field decision unless clearly on, or clearly off.
    Yes but.
    Define clearly.
    Cricket works because it has a defined threshold for Umpires Call.
    Being out or not out depending on what the original decision was is farcical. You are either out or you aren't.
    No it isn't.
    The system (which isn't infallible itself) is designed to deal with obvious errors, and discourage endless appeals to review.

    It works pretty well.
  • Andypets said:

    Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango

    For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done

    You have a magical piece of European history repurposed

    But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic

    It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them

    My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love



    Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango

    For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done

    You have a magical piece of European history repurposed

    But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic

    It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them

    My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love



    Isn’t it just the Devil pointing out his approval of workers idling in the fields? Could have been part of a set on the seven deadly sins.
    Again that was my thought. But look closely: the couple are clearly in an amorous position. One leans warmly into the other. They are almost kissing

    So then it is the devil approving of gay sex in idle farm-workers? Was that a massive issue in 17th century Holland? Did the tulips go unpicked because too many butch young rustic chaps were getting it on in the dykes??

    I love this tile. Every time I look at it I see something new and change my mind. Normal coasters don’t do this
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    Firstly Jonathan Hinder never said let’s mimic Reform. Secondly he was right. starmers umpteenth relaunch was poor and, quite frankly, his comment thsat why can’t young people find opportunities in their locale is a good one too.

    Just because you don’t like the message doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
    Clearly if he views the youth experience scheme as freedom of movement he’s swallowed the Reform Tory line .
    So what was wrong with him saying the relaunch was poor and we should be doing more to give young people more opportunities where they live ?

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080

    I think he’s going to say he’ll go by conference. Advantage Burnham.

    Wheel out the lecturn !
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    nico67 said:

    Burnham can’t announce anything until he knows what’s happening with Starmer .

    If Starmer doesn’t agree to a long timetable then it’s over for Burnham . That will of course lead to a complete implosion in Labour .

    He could put enormous pressure on the NEC if he had a seat by the end of the day.
    Good morning

    Graham Stringer saying he will not resign his seat for Burnham and he should stay as Mayor was quite a moment

    I suspect he knows Burnham may well struggle to win any seat
    That’s Burnham’s fundamental problem now, there’s almost no safe seats left, and a lot of tactical voting both left and right.

    With the unpopularity of the government, it’s not difficult to imagine either Reform or Green come though to beat him even in heartland seats. Burnham himself is relatively popular in Manchester, where he’s seen as doing a good job, so that’s the obvious place for him to look.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,281

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.

    That's one of the things about this hoohhah. As things stand, Starmer is horribly weakened, even more than before, but with little sign of anyone else having the breadth of support to actually win.

    The second one is worse. What policy changes is Starmer's defenestration meant to unlock? Thatcher's fall was all about sinking the poll tax. May's was (superficially) about getting Brexit done. Or is this all just about Muggin has to go because Buggin thinks it's Buggin's turn?
    + all the candidate ratings are dire, especially Streeting. I think it’s possible Labour's vote share drops even further.

    Burnham is the only candidate, based on polling, that could actually bring along non-Labour voters (from 2024). But my sense is that is far too ambitious, and that they really need to do is consolidate the left-wing vote first - so Rayner and/or Miliband need to be in at least close proximity to No 10.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,646

    Lol again at Burnham supporting MPs.

    Burnham could have run in 2024 if he wanted to!

    Again he’d be a good choice but what other candidate is so special that we should wait for them to become an MP before we do anything?

    Shall we wait for the ghost of John Smith?

    Not allowing Burnham to run for Gorton and Denton looks like a big error by Labour. He might have won or he might have lost against the Greens, but it would have resolved the Burnham for PM issue.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    Firstly Jonathan Hinder never said let’s mimic Reform. Secondly he was right. starmers umpteenth relaunch was poor and, quite frankly, his comment thsat why can’t young people find opportunities in their locale is a good one too.

    Just because you don’t like the message doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
    Clearly if he views the youth experience scheme as freedom of movement he’s swallowed the Reform Tory line .
    So what was wrong with him saying the relaunch was poor and we should be doing more to give young people more opportunities where they live ?

    There’s nothing wrong with that . That’s not my issue. He’s just another Labour MP who deludedly thinks that Reform voters might move back to Labour .
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,281
    Taz said:

    Darren Jones doing the rounds today

    Strong feeling is it’s over for SKS from his comments.

    On the face of it there’s not really anything else he can say without sounding entirely insincere or deluded. Might be reading too much into it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
    Yes.
    The advantage of the it was only his big toe is that it is at least objective fact.
    Cricket works well with umpires call. Eliminates much of the arguments.

    Just stick with on field decision unless clearly on, or clearly off.
    Yes but.
    Define clearly.
    Cricket works because it has a defined threshold for Umpires Call.
    Being out or not out depending on what the original decision was is farcical. You are either out or you aren't.
    No it isn't.
    The system (which isn't infallible itself) is designed to deal with obvious errors, and discourage endless appeals to review.

    It works pretty well.
    Yes, cricket has found the right balance of human vs technology. It’s supposed to correct egregious errors by the officials, at least as far as lbw is concerned. Decisions of fact - caught or not, boundary or not, run out or not, usually take seconds in the vast majority of cases.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    Firstly Jonathan Hinder never said let’s mimic Reform. Secondly he was right. starmers umpteenth relaunch was poor and, quite frankly, his comment thsat why can’t young people find opportunities in their locale is a good one too.

    Just because you don’t like the message doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
    Clearly if he views the youth experience scheme as freedom of movement he’s swallowed the Reform Tory line .
    Youth unemployment in much of the EU is pretty bad.

    Trying to export our youth is probably not the solution to our own, worsening, problem.
  • FF43 said:

    Lol again at Burnham supporting MPs.

    Burnham could have run in 2024 if he wanted to!

    Again he’d be a good choice but what other candidate is so special that we should wait for them to become an MP before we do anything?

    Shall we wait for the ghost of John Smith?

    Not allowing Burnham to run for Gorton and Denton looks like a big error by Labour. He might have won or he might have lost against the Greens, but it would have resolved the Burnham for PM issue.
    It was a MASSIVE error for Labour but a short term win for Starmer. Which is one big reason Skyr has to go. The government is being run as if its main purpose is to extend his career, if only for a week

    Enough. Eff off, old chap
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    NEW THREAD

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,587
    Foxy said:

    Ratters said:

    Detailed podcast for polling on Trump's approval:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vK2YfAxwo

    I see Nate Silver's polling aggregator has dipped below -19% net approval (-19.1%) for the first time.

    If the trend continues the Dems winning both the House and the Senate in the mid-terms looks increasingly likely.
    I have my doubts now that the Southern states are all gerrymandering after last weeks gutting of the VRA.
    I don't think that alone would prevent a Democratic win.
    But it does reduce the extent of outright illegality required to do so.

    And it cements in a permanent GOP advantage in relation to seats won for a given percentage of the popular vote.

    The only blatant Senate gerrymander is quite an old one - the split of Dakota into North and South.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
    The water extraction wasn't illegal. They had a meter legally installed. The utility just forgot to read it, they were in the middle of switching from a manual system to an automated one and they wrongly assumed the meter in question was on the automated one. Then they realized their mistake and sent the company a bill, which the company paid.

    Someone then apparently got hold of a letter sent to them about this and jumped to a bunch of wrong conclusions, and a journalist wrote a deliberately misleading article for clicks because people are desperate to believe in this entirely fake issue.
    Fair enough. As I said the interesting bit for me is the follow up about how little water the Data Centre is expected to use when operational. Which does make sense when you think about it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,323

    nico67 said:

    Burnham can’t announce anything until he knows what’s happening with Starmer .

    If Starmer doesn’t agree to a long timetable then it’s over for Burnham . That will of course lead to a complete implosion in Labour .

    He could put enormous pressure on the NEC if he had a seat by the end of the day.
    Good morning

    Graham Stringer saying he will not resign his seat for Burnham and he should stay as Mayor was quite a moment

    I suspect he knows Burnham may well struggle to win any seat
    Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    ydoethur said:

    I don’t think the Kings Speech is as much an issue as some people, in that as others have said, it is a bit of a fiction and it either gets voted through or voted down - and it’s not really an issue for the palace either way. However, I do agree I am sure the palace would prefer the whole thing was being done with some resolution to the issue one way or the other.

    Labour MPs are not going to vote down a Labour PM’s speech. They will machinate and scheme and have a leadership contest, but they’ll do that separately.
    In the last 90 years only 2 Labour leaders have faced a leadership contest - Corbyn in 2016 and Kinnock in 1988.

    Both leaders won easily.
    Hugh Gaitskell was challenged twice - 1960 and 1961
    Overlooked that one. Careless of me since it led to the famous Bon mot about Wilson that he had only two things wrong with him - his face.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,293

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    Firstly Jonathan Hinder never said let’s mimic Reform. Secondly he was right. starmers umpteenth relaunch was poor and, quite frankly, his comment thsat why can’t young people find opportunities in their locale is a good one too.

    Just because you don’t like the message doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
    Clearly if he views the youth experience scheme as freedom of movement he’s swallowed the Reform Tory line .
    Youth unemployment in much of the EU is pretty bad.

    Trying to export our youth is probably not the solution to our own, worsening, problem.
    In previous times we used to price youth in to the job market and let them build up experience.

    Labour have smashed that with minimum wage rises.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126

    nico67 said:

    Burnham can’t announce anything until he knows what’s happening with Starmer .

    If Starmer doesn’t agree to a long timetable then it’s over for Burnham . That will of course lead to a complete implosion in Labour .

    He could put enormous pressure on the NEC if he had a seat by the end of the day.
    Good morning

    Graham Stringer saying he will not resign his seat for Burnham and he should stay as Mayor was quite a moment

    I suspect he knows Burnham may well struggle to win any seat
    Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
    Sounds sensible but are labour sensible ?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,934
    Ratters said:

    Detailed podcast for polling on Trump's approval:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vK2YfAxwo

    I see Nate Silver's polling aggregator has dipped below -19% net approval (-19.1%) for the first time.

    If the trend continues the Dems winning both the House and the Senate in the mid-terms looks increasingly likely.
    How on earth did Trump get into the situation where it is Iran who are wondering if they prefer an early peace or to hang on and force regime change?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    Firstly Jonathan Hinder never said let’s mimic Reform. Secondly he was right. starmers umpteenth relaunch was poor and, quite frankly, his comment thsat why can’t young people find opportunities in their locale is a good one too.

    Just because you don’t like the message doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
    Clearly if he views the youth experience scheme as freedom of movement he’s swallowed the Reform Tory line .
    Youth unemployment in much of the EU is pretty bad.

    Trying to export our youth is probably not the solution to our own, worsening, problem.
    Giving younger people a chance to live and work in the EU for a few years is a good thing and the numbers are going to capped .

    It’s not freedom of movement . Using your logic we should just tear up all these youth mobility schemes in case a few thousand younger people want to experience a different culture for a few years .
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,003

    nico67 said:

    Burnham can’t announce anything until he knows what’s happening with Starmer .

    If Starmer doesn’t agree to a long timetable then it’s over for Burnham . That will of course lead to a complete implosion in Labour .

    He could put enormous pressure on the NEC if he had a seat by the end of the day.
    Good morning

    Graham Stringer saying he will not resign his seat for Burnham and he should stay as Mayor was quite a moment

    I suspect he knows Burnham may well struggle to win any seat
    Burnham should switch to plan B. Remain Mayor of the Frozen North till his term expires in 2028. Then return to the Commons via a convenient by-election in time to relieve a beleaguered Ange/Ed/Wes (delete as appropriate) struggling after two years in office, giving Burnham a year as Prime Minister to turn things round before the 2029 general election.
    Burnham would likely, very likely, win Stretford & Urmston or Wythenshawe & Sale East

    Labour vote held up reasonably in those seats last week
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,442

    If you're Burnham, do you have either Mike Kane or Andrew Western hold a press conference this morning announcing they are resigning as MPs and support Burnham as there replacement?

    Surely the NEC wouldn't block him in these circumstances

    It sounds so easy but it means a major change of direction, at the least, for the would-be former MP. It's hard to believe anyone would sacrifice a well paid post unless they'd found it wasn't for them. What would be in it for the designated sacrificial lamb?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    And the EUs exasperation with the UK just increases.
    Reform will simply unpick, disown or denounce anything Labour sign up to now in 3 years time.

    If I were the EU I'd be on a go-slow.
    There's a few hoops to jump through before we could arrive at such a point, and it won't be simple.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,934
    AnneJGP said:

    If you're Burnham, do you have either Mike Kane or Andrew Western hold a press conference this morning announcing they are resigning as MPs and support Burnham as there replacement?

    Surely the NEC wouldn't block him in these circumstances

    It sounds so easy but it means a major change of direction, at the least, for the would-be former MP. It's hard to believe anyone would sacrifice a well paid post unless they'd found it wasn't for them. What would be in it for the designated sacrificial lamb?
    Beating Harry to the role of Lord Kane?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The Labour MP on Newsnight last night highlights one of Labours problems.

    He started droning on that Starmers youth experience scheme was freedom of movement which clearly it isn’t . So another Red Waller clinging onto the let’s mimic Reform to save our seats .

    The real disappointment for those who want closer EU ties is all the negotiations are going to hit the buffers now as Starmer can’t sign up to anything new.


    Firstly Jonathan Hinder never said let’s mimic Reform. Secondly he was right. starmers umpteenth relaunch was poor and, quite frankly, his comment thsat why can’t young people find opportunities in their locale is a good one too.

    Just because you don’t like the message doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
    Clearly if he views the youth experience scheme as freedom of movement he’s swallowed the Reform Tory line .
    So what was wrong with him saying the relaunch was poor and we should be doing more to give young people more opportunities where they live ?

    There’s nothing wrong with that . That’s not my issue. He’s just another Labour MP who deludedly thinks that Reform voters might move back to Labour .
    Some may well do. You don’t know.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,536
    AnneJGP said:

    If you're Burnham, do you have either Mike Kane or Andrew Western hold a press conference this morning announcing they are resigning as MPs and support Burnham as there replacement?

    Surely the NEC wouldn't block him in these circumstances

    It sounds so easy but it means a major change of direction, at the least, for the would-be former MP. It's hard to believe anyone would sacrifice a well paid post unless they'd found it wasn't for them. What would be in it for the designated sacrificial lamb?
    They could try for a job swap with the outgoing MP going fir the Mayor vacancy
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    Beth Rigby makes the point that labour's civil war is one thing, but what does the public think of all of this ?
  • HS2 digging up my street again

    Sigh

    It's eternal, isn't it? For the rest of recorded time, HS2 will be digging up my street, one way or another
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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,833
    https://x.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/2054593546347327845

    Just a thought. Wes Streeting owes his political status to the support he’s received over years from Peter Mandelson & Morgan McSweeney at Labour Together. He wouldn’t make a move against Keir Starmer without Mandelson’s say so. So look on this as Mandelson’s & Morgan’s revenge.
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