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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,853

    "Dangerous opponents" - Streeting, Rayner, Burnham

    "If we don't get this right, our country will go down a very dark path." - a Miliband premiership.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687

    This whole insane short video captures the moral decline, cultural disaster and political incoherence of the YooKay

    “This is Mohammad Baghdadi "Baggy" Khan reporting to duty as a newly elected Councillor in the Halliwell ward, Bolton. He looks composed in his Lamborghini Huracán Spyder, worth £100,000-£200,000, it does 19-23 mpg.

    He is a member of @TheGreenParty.”

    https://x.com/daveatherton/status/2053735294432608542?s=46

    Tho it might also explain the lingering fondness of @Dura_Ace for the Greens

    Is that any worse than a champagne socialist with a villa in Tuscany?
    Given that the money for the Lambo probably came from - ahhh - unorthodox sources (to put it mildly) - I think that Yes it is considerably worse
    Unorthodox sources for funding a Lamborghini? You mean he got a job, PAYE and saved up to buy it outright, without a loan?
    Do they not have a “Quality Learing Centre” in Bolton?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493
    Lol, this speech is going to present opponents with so many hostages to fortune when he has to resign in days....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,853
    A quiet man turning up the volume moment: "I know I have my doubters and I know I need to prove them wrong."
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342
    Pulpstar said:

    He gets it. He takes responsibility.

    That used to mean the speaker was resigning but has become devalued in 21st Century politics.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687
    Foss said:

    Apart from Lucy Powell where is the rest of the cabinet ?

    Dentist
    Way more fun than listening to Starmer for half an hour.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526
    edited May 11
    PJH said:

    DavidL said:

    Also, has anyone been watching the bonds market? I know that they prefer Reeves to potential alternatives, but they're still putting the rate up. And up. And up.

    Surely what's good for Truss is good for Starmer...

    Just remember folks that 1% is roughly £30bn a year. Not immediately but over time. It’s a hell of a lot of money to find when there are so many things to do with the pittance we have.
    IIRC the UK defence budget is something like the size of the US Marine Corp. While they have an advantage of leveraging the procurement of the other services, the disparity of what we achieve is pretty severe.

    Quite simply, as with much public spending, we get less for our money than many peer nations.

    We need to up our game in public procurement. To start with - contracts.

    Lost in the all the nonsense about 4 star hotels for migrants is this - that the government ended up paying premium prices for block booking run down hotels for years. Why did we not get better prices? In fact, often , some simple calculations suggest it would have been cheaper to buy the properties outright.

    We need purchasing skills in government that we don't currently possess. A Ministry of Supply? If Tesco can construct a special negotiating facility where they browbeat their suppliers into lower prices, why doesn't the government have one. Staffed with well trained civil service negotiators, who live for this stuff.
    Salaries. Anyone who is any good is working for the supplier, not the Civil Service.
    You have two choices there.

    1) train your own, within the Civil Service. You will lose a bunch to private industry, but just train more.
    2) Pay more for specialists who demonstrate actual skills. Which might mean paying more than some senior civili servants. Obviously, this could cause the sun to implode, so we can't do that.
    3) Pay them more as tenured contractors. Even the banks have worked out that it is cheaper to employe directly, but hey.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493

    A quiet man turning up the volume moment: "I know I have my doubters and I know I need to prove them wrong."

    Makes IDS look like a titan tbf....
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,960

    Just discovered that the cost of emptying our septic tank has gone up by more than three times in 4 years.

    No wonder Labour are in deep doo-doo.

    Who the hell are u using. I paid 180 and empty every 5 to 7 yrs..Clargisters are a pain...
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 635
    stories beat spreadsheets
    T-Shirt worthy
  • Come on. Say it. Breakfast clubs
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    He actually hasn't said anything in terms of actual change

    Just more waffle
  • OMG “the fundamentals of our economy are sound”???????
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956

    He actually hasn't said anything in terms of actual change

    Just more waffle

    Made all the right calls apparently.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526

    Taking responsibility means action not words

    He is the problem not the solution

    On taking responsibility - who has he fired now?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493
    edited May 11

    OMG “the fundamentals of our economy are sound”???????

    LOOOOL


    The bond markets should be hating this.

    At some point him staying in post is going to be priced higher than a replacement....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Also, has anyone been watching the bonds market? I know that they prefer Reeves to potential alternatives, but they're still putting the rate up. And up. And up.

    Surely what's good for Truss is good for Starmer...

    How is it going relative to say the EU - because there are external (Iran) factors in play here as well as local ones.
    France is around 3.6 and Germany around 3.0 compared to the UKs 5.0 % .

    Even Greek gilts are less at 3.7.

    Because of the weight of the ECB as lender of last resort Eurozone countries have generally lower gilts.
    It's two things, the UK carries a moron premium and we have higher inflation expectations that the EMU because the government put taxes up on inflation sensitive areas such as NI and rates which get passed onto consumers.

    The BoE is also still unwinding QE which creates secondary supply of gilts raising yields. The ECB isn't running such a foolish policy, only the BoE thinks it's a good idea to sell bond it bought at a high price for a much lower one.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012

    He actually hasn't said anything in terms of actual change

    Just more waffle

    Made all the right calls apparently.
    Mandelson was a right call?

    His delusion is off the scale
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    Working class background?

    Round objects
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 635
    a working-class background, like me

    lol

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687
    PJH said:

    DavidL said:

    Also, has anyone been watching the bonds market? I know that they prefer Reeves to potential alternatives, but they're still putting the rate up. And up. And up.

    Surely what's good for Truss is good for Starmer...

    Just remember folks that 1% is roughly £30bn a year. Not immediately but over time. It’s a hell of a lot of money to find when there are so many things to do with the pittance we have.
    IIRC the UK defence budget is something like the size of the US Marine Corp. While they have an advantage of leveraging the procurement of the other services, the disparity of what we achieve is pretty severe.

    Quite simply, as with much public spending, we get less for our money than many peer nations.

    We need to up our game in public procurement. To start with - contracts.

    Lost in the all the nonsense about 4 star hotels for migrants is this - that the government ended up paying premium prices for block booking run down hotels for years. Why did we not get better prices? In fact, often , some simple calculations suggest it would have been cheaper to buy the properties outright.

    We need purchasing skills in government that we don't currently possess. A Ministry of Supply? If Tesco can construct a special negotiating facility where they browbeat their suppliers into lower prices, why doesn't the government have one. Staffed with well trained civil service negotiators, who live for this stuff.
    Salaries. Anyone who is any good is working for the supplier, not the Civil Service.
    Same with all the PFI contracts over the past three decades, and the silly CS adverts for senior IT professionals on starting graduate salaries in the private sector.

    But somehow there’s always enough money to pay the external consultants £000s per day.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    Sweeney74 said:

    stories beat spreadsheets
    T-Shirt worthy

    That's the Excel wonk vote gone...
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,133
    Fucking hell if this is a pitch to save his job it’s crap. Sooo dull.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    MelonB said:

    -2.2C at the vineyard last night and likely colder tonight. Coldest May night since I started recording in 2022. That probably means well over 50% crop loss, depending on how much the cold was concentrated at the bottom of the slope (there the weather station is).

    This fucking weather is abominable

    I’m off on assignment to Northumberland on Wednesday

    🥶🥶
    We're used to it up here.
    Blyth, Seaton Delaval or Ashington fine dining?
    It’s a short food trip. Lots of tastings, breweries, foraging, etc

    I was really looking forward to it. I love Northumberland and I love these foodie things. But it will be less fun if it’s minus 5 and blowing a hoolie

    I’m apparently staying in a place called Tempus. Which seems quite chic for The Far North. Alnwick

    https://thetempus.co.uk/
    Nice.
    It'll be a balmy 12° and as much as 4° overnight.
    T-shirt weather.


    Woe betide anyone who fancied a late spring break to Croatia...
    Kinell. So literally the whole of Europe is freezing. Is this El Niño is it too soon?
    I don’t know what that’s a chart of but it’s certainly not either surface temperatures or 850hpa temperatures. It’s not hot in Europe at the moment, it’s more just meh, and the coldest weather is here in Britain.

    No El Niño impact on Europe yet, though we do get minor effects from shifts in the tropical Madden-Julian oscillation. In any case we’re one of the regions of the world least affected by the Pacific ENSO state.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    edited May 11
    Angry shouty Starmer from working class background.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493
    Taz said:

    Fucking hell if this is a pitch to save his job it’s crap. Sooo dull.

    Challenged by 6pm, surely, after this tripe....
  • Not a single proposal yet…
  • He’s done.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493
    It really doesn't help that he gets more nasal when he trys to be impassioned....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    Anybody would think this bloke was leader of the opposition.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526
    Sandpit said:

    PJH said:

    DavidL said:

    Also, has anyone been watching the bonds market? I know that they prefer Reeves to potential alternatives, but they're still putting the rate up. And up. And up.

    Surely what's good for Truss is good for Starmer...

    Just remember folks that 1% is roughly £30bn a year. Not immediately but over time. It’s a hell of a lot of money to find when there are so many things to do with the pittance we have.
    IIRC the UK defence budget is something like the size of the US Marine Corp. While they have an advantage of leveraging the procurement of the other services, the disparity of what we achieve is pretty severe.

    Quite simply, as with much public spending, we get less for our money than many peer nations.

    We need to up our game in public procurement. To start with - contracts.

    Lost in the all the nonsense about 4 star hotels for migrants is this - that the government ended up paying premium prices for block booking run down hotels for years. Why did we not get better prices? In fact, often , some simple calculations suggest it would have been cheaper to buy the properties outright.

    We need purchasing skills in government that we don't currently possess. A Ministry of Supply? If Tesco can construct a special negotiating facility where they browbeat their suppliers into lower prices, why doesn't the government have one. Staffed with well trained civil service negotiators, who live for this stuff.
    Salaries. Anyone who is any good is working for the supplier, not the Civil Service.
    Same with all the PFI contracts over the past three decades, and the silly CS adverts for senior IT professionals on starting graduate salaries in the private sector.

    But somehow there’s always enough money to pay the external consultants £000s per day.
    Paying PAYE 6 figures would mean that people who *do things* get paid more than senior managers.

    Somehow, there is a cultural opt out for contractors.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493

    Angry shouty Starmer from working class background.

    Still hasn't said the toolmaker line yet...
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,139

    PJH said:

    DavidL said:

    Also, has anyone been watching the bonds market? I know that they prefer Reeves to potential alternatives, but they're still putting the rate up. And up. And up.

    Surely what's good for Truss is good for Starmer...

    Just remember folks that 1% is roughly £30bn a year. Not immediately but over time. It’s a hell of a lot of money to find when there are so many things to do with the pittance we have.
    IIRC the UK defence budget is something like the size of the US Marine Corp. While they have an advantage of leveraging the procurement of the other services, the disparity of what we achieve is pretty severe.

    Quite simply, as with much public spending, we get less for our money than many peer nations.

    We need to up our game in public procurement. To start with - contracts.

    Lost in the all the nonsense about 4 star hotels for migrants is this - that the government ended up paying premium prices for block booking run down hotels for years. Why did we not get better prices? In fact, often , some simple calculations suggest it would have been cheaper to buy the properties outright.

    We need purchasing skills in government that we don't currently possess. A Ministry of Supply? If Tesco can construct a special negotiating facility where they browbeat their suppliers into lower prices, why doesn't the government have one. Staffed with well trained civil service negotiators, who live for this stuff.
    Salaries. Anyone who is any good is working for the supplier, not the Civil Service.
    You have two choices there.

    1) train your own, within the Civil Service. You will lose a bunch to private industry, but just train more.
    2) Pay more for specialists who demonstrate actual skills. Which might mean paying more than some senior civili servants. Obviously, this could cause the sun to implode, so we can't do that.
    3) Pay them more as tenured contractors. Even the banks have worked out that it is cheaper to employe directly, but hey.
    They do a bit of (3) - they have to as otherwise posts are vacant. Unfortunately it's a case of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing, so the contractors they do engage tend to be below market rates and no better than the permanent staff.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,960
    Taz said:

    Fucking hell if this is a pitch to save his job it’s crap. Sooo dull.

    I told you there was nothing to listen to.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,144
    I think Starmer is simply showing he hasn't understood just how toxic he is

    Labour mps need to be decisive and take action
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,193
    Phew - thank god, the economy has been stabilised. Thank god for Starmer and Reeves

    All big calls right.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,385
    Taz said:

    Fucking hell if this is a pitch to save his job it’s crap. Sooo dull.

    "Hmmm. Can you send the next candidate in please?"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,364
    MelonB said:

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    MelonB said:

    -2.2C at the vineyard last night and likely colder tonight. Coldest May night since I started recording in 2022. That probably means well over 50% crop loss, depending on how much the cold was concentrated at the bottom of the slope (there the weather station is).

    This fucking weather is abominable

    I’m off on assignment to Northumberland on Wednesday

    🥶🥶
    We're used to it up here.
    Blyth, Seaton Delaval or Ashington fine dining?
    It’s a short food trip. Lots of tastings, breweries, foraging, etc

    I was really looking forward to it. I love Northumberland and I love these foodie things. But it will be less fun if it’s minus 5 and blowing a hoolie

    I’m apparently staying in a place called Tempus. Which seems quite chic for The Far North. Alnwick

    https://thetempus.co.uk/
    Nice.
    It'll be a balmy 12° and as much as 4° overnight.
    T-shirt weather.


    Woe betide anyone who fancied a late spring break to Croatia...
    Kinell. So literally the whole of Europe is freezing. Is this El Niño is it too soon?
    I don’t know what that’s a chart of but it’s certainly not either surface temperatures or 850hpa temperatures. It’s not hot in Europe at the moment, it’s more just meh, and the coldest weather is here in Britain.

    No El Niño impact on Europe yet, though we do get minor effects from shifts in the tropical Madden-Julian oscillation. In any case we’re one of the regions of the world least affected by the Pacific ENSO state.
    El Nino hasn't started yet - later in 2026

    Effects will be 2027
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    He isn't saying anything new. He isn't saying anything of substance at all.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,555
    MelonB said:

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    MelonB said:

    -2.2C at the vineyard last night and likely colder tonight. Coldest May night since I started recording in 2022. That probably means well over 50% crop loss, depending on how much the cold was concentrated at the bottom of the slope (there the weather station is).

    This fucking weather is abominable

    I’m off on assignment to Northumberland on Wednesday

    🥶🥶
    We're used to it up here.
    Blyth, Seaton Delaval or Ashington fine dining?
    It’s a short food trip. Lots of tastings, breweries, foraging, etc

    I was really looking forward to it. I love Northumberland and I love these foodie things. But it will be less fun if it’s minus 5 and blowing a hoolie

    I’m apparently staying in a place called Tempus. Which seems quite chic for The Far North. Alnwick

    https://thetempus.co.uk/
    Nice.
    It'll be a balmy 12° and as much as 4° overnight.
    T-shirt weather.


    Woe betide anyone who fancied a late spring break to Croatia...
    Kinell. So literally the whole of Europe is freezing. Is this El Niño is it too soon?
    I don’t know what that’s a chart of but it’s certainly not either surface temperatures or 850hpa temperatures. It’s not hot in Europe at the moment, it’s more just meh, and the coldest weather is here in Britain.

    No El Niño impact on Europe yet, though we do get minor effects from shifts in the tropical Madden-Julian oscillation. In any case we’re one of the regions of the world least affected by the Pacific ENSO state.
    It's temperature anomaly - how hot/cold it is depending on what you'd expect for the time of year.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,813
    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    There's an obvious way to get Burnham into Parliament.

    Starmer gets out the Special Podium - and calls an election...

    Makes sense to at least offer the Party that option.

    My working (betting) hypothesis* is that Kemi is a drag on the Tories (sorry Big G); Polanski is a flash in the pan; and Reform have a ceiling of about 25%-30%. The next government will be a Labour minority with Farage as LOTO. The choice for Labour is who is best placed to face such a LOTO. So if it is Burnham, then call the election now.

    *Other theories available over the period to the next GE.
    Kemi certainly isn't a drag on the Tories in London, the Tories had their best London results last week in terms of seats won since Theresa May was leader in 2018 and made gains in areas like Westminster and Barnet and Hillingdon where they lost parliamentary seats at the last general election. In the rest of the country though she isn't making many waves
    Yes, London was unexpectedly good for the Conservatives and they were close to winning in Barnet, Enfield and Wandsworth missing out by odd seats.

    To make net gains overall was an achievement though with the caveats they were trounced in south west London and Havering. 321 of the 407 Conservative Councillors elected on Thursday are in ten Boroughs - of the others, twelve Boroughs have just 86 Conservative Councillors and in the other ten Boroughs no Conservatives at all.

    In essence, the Conservatives, like the Liberal Democrats, are becoming marginalised into areas of strength and reduced elsewhere.

    It's also worth noting more than half of all the Conservative seats won on Thursday (407 of 801) were in London while the rest of the country (and you can spin this however you like) saw more heavy losses.
    More importantly. There are large areas of the country where they are no longer in any meaningful existence. Their vote share is buttons and a sizeable way fourth or fifth place.
    Majority government is a long, long way off.
    Fair comment. Saw this happen in Scotland. Surprisingly strong results in the southern blue wall (Galloway through to Borders) and the NE, but marginalised elsewhere.

    Kemi had managed to 1) see off the existential threat of extinction, 2) establish some real centres of strength. But the third task, re-establishing the party as a national force and contender for govt, still awaits.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526
    PJH said:

    PJH said:

    DavidL said:

    Also, has anyone been watching the bonds market? I know that they prefer Reeves to potential alternatives, but they're still putting the rate up. And up. And up.

    Surely what's good for Truss is good for Starmer...

    Just remember folks that 1% is roughly £30bn a year. Not immediately but over time. It’s a hell of a lot of money to find when there are so many things to do with the pittance we have.
    IIRC the UK defence budget is something like the size of the US Marine Corp. While they have an advantage of leveraging the procurement of the other services, the disparity of what we achieve is pretty severe.

    Quite simply, as with much public spending, we get less for our money than many peer nations.

    We need to up our game in public procurement. To start with - contracts.

    Lost in the all the nonsense about 4 star hotels for migrants is this - that the government ended up paying premium prices for block booking run down hotels for years. Why did we not get better prices? In fact, often , some simple calculations suggest it would have been cheaper to buy the properties outright.

    We need purchasing skills in government that we don't currently possess. A Ministry of Supply? If Tesco can construct a special negotiating facility where they browbeat their suppliers into lower prices, why doesn't the government have one. Staffed with well trained civil service negotiators, who live for this stuff.
    Salaries. Anyone who is any good is working for the supplier, not the Civil Service.
    You have two choices there.

    1) train your own, within the Civil Service. You will lose a bunch to private industry, but just train more.
    2) Pay more for specialists who demonstrate actual skills. Which might mean paying more than some senior civili servants. Obviously, this could cause the sun to implode, so we can't do that.
    3) Pay them more as tenured contractors. Even the banks have worked out that it is cheaper to employe directly, but hey.
    They do a bit of (3) - they have to as otherwise posts are vacant. Unfortunately it's a case of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing, so the contractors they do engage tend to be below market rates and no better than the permanent staff.
    Pretty obvious really. If you ave no skills in purchasing, and you try and purchase skills in purchasing....
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012

    Taz said:

    Fucking hell if this is a pitch to save his job it’s crap. Sooo dull.

    "Hmmm. Can you send the next candidate in please?"
    He wouldn't get shortlisted. Let alone interviewed.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,853
    "My brother went from one job to the next" - and I don't want that to happen to me.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    Steel. That's going to cut through.

    Brilliant
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,385
    Downhill Skyr....

    (Reckon I have limited opportunities to use that, so indulge me...)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    Nationalisation of British Steel, subject to.terms and conditions....
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493
    'Could be met'

    He is an absolute melt isn't he. I wouldn't appoint him as a manager in my business....

    Very proud that I voted for the other guys this morning.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,260
    Why does Starmer refer to his fellow citizens as "they"? "You" or "we" would be better. Bullshit bingo time.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,144
    Why is he promoting Farage and Reform ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,364

    Taz said:

    Fucking hell if this is a pitch to save his job it’s crap. Sooo dull.

    "Hmmm. Can you send the next candidate in please?"
    He wouldn't get shortlisted. Let alone interviewed.
    Can he even provide a reference?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,133
    This is pretty dire isn’t it?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493
    He reminds me of Trigger from Only Fools and Horses.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,928
    I haven't bet on when Starmer will go, but my assumption had been he'd still be there probably to the next election.

    Rather glad I didn't bet on that basis.
  • He isn't saying anything new. He isn't saying anything of substance at all.

    He may nationalise steel - “subject to a public interest inquiry”
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,631
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    I wonder if he'll get around to announcing funding for the defence review ?



    The technological and strategic factors are moving more quickly than they can move the photos of rugged looking squaddies around in the .docx

    A lot of vaches sacrées/wastes of money/cherished national institutions should be going in the bin but SKS has neither the political capital nor the courage required to do it.
    That is also true, and likely the only way that the UK government can start to square the funding circle is to chuck some programs in the bin.

    The problem is that there aren't enough things that can be dispensed with in order to fund everything else. An increase in defence spend is necessary simply in order to avoid losing a large slice of our defence industry. Once gone, we won't get it back.
    Lots of it should go. There just isn't the industrial capacity to sustain everything while delivering appropriate systems quickly. That's why it's going to take HMS Glasgow 18 years to go from contract award to commissioning. Hence running the T23s way past their design life until the few that are left barely float.

    GCAP will be exactly the same. Years late and massively over-budget to the great detriment of actual defence capability.

    I remember somebody from Air Command commenting in the 90s when Eurofighter was pulled back from the brink, "The good news is we've saved BAE, the bad news is we'll have keep saving it."
    The primary reason our shipbuilding is so inefficient is that we have hardly built any ships for two decades.

    Either we invest for the longer term, or we give up.
    The T26 is an opportunity to do the former - but for now we seem to have signed over five out of the six in order to Norway, and the fate of the UK order is up in the air.

    Similar considerations apply to GCAP. Either we fund it on a multiyear basis (rather than keeping it on life support every six months or so) or we abandon the industry.

    You're arguing the latter; I'm advocating the former.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,364

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    3s
    Keir Starmer accuses Nigel Farage of fleeing the scene post-Brexit. Which will come as news to the thousands of Labour councillors who just lost their seats to him.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    edited May 11
    Re re re re re announcement of EU youth mobility scheme.
  • Basically nothing on Europe
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    He really doesn't get it
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    edited May 11
    Of course, the man bleating about fairness has his own custom pension tax law...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,144
    This is dire
  • SkiddertonSkidderton Posts: 17
    Hard to see how this changes anyone's opinion of SKS for the positive
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    I never knew Starmer was working class, he never mentioned it before.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,364
    Tell us something new you fool.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,853
    "Stories, not unlike mine, about the working class kids who do make it."
  • Total waffle on youth employment given that his government has seen the largest surge in youth unemployment in Europe
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    Re re re re re announcement of guaranteed job scheme.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,315

    This whole insane short video captures the moral decline, cultural disaster and political incoherence of the YooKay

    “This is Mohammad Baghdadi "Baggy" Khan reporting to duty as a newly elected Councillor in the Halliwell ward, Bolton. He looks composed in his Lamborghini Huracán Spyder, worth £100,000-£200,000, it does 19-23 mpg.

    He is a member of @TheGreenParty.”

    https://x.com/daveatherton/status/2053735294432608542?s=46

    Tho it might also explain the lingering fondness of @Dura_Ace for the Greens

    Is that any worse than a champagne socialist with a villa in Tuscany?
    Or a right-winger taking state benefits?
  • I never knew Starmer was working class, he never mentioned it before.

    Even he didn't know till he took up politics.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,364
    I missed the first few minutes.

    Have breakfast clubs at school been mentioned yet?

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,857

    Nationalisation of British Steel, subject to.terms and conditions....

    Do we have any steelworks left to nationalise?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    You cant help youth employment rates by making it too expensive to hire them
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    They really have no ideas do they, not even cone hotline, wooden toys, spare bedroom register, app britain.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342
    Guaranteed jobs for NEETS sounds dangerously like it will be operationalised as sanctions for the poorest.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    3 days to come up with a policy, nothing, nada, diddly squat.
  • God. Thats it
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687
    Did his father make tools?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342
    The country I love. Now he channels Theresa May.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342
    The country I love. Now he channels Theresa May.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,703
    The whole of PB seems to have adopted the BJO (2021-2026) position on SKS this morning.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    He will block so called far right agitators from coming to the UK. But he won't block hate preachers from entering.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    Labour are mad if they dont get rid.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,133

    Taz said:

    Fucking hell if this is a pitch to save his job it’s crap. Sooo dull.

    I told you there was nothing to listen to.
    You did and you were right.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,364
    Wait. No. He's stopped.

    Is that it?

    'king 'ell.
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 92
    Well, bravo, this changes everything!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526
    edited May 11


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    3s
    Keir Starmer accuses Nigel Farage of fleeing the scene post-Brexit. Which will come as news to the thousands of Labour councillors who just lost their seats to him.

    Isn't the primary objection of his opponents (like me), that Nigel Farage has been doing a bit too much? Such as taking 5 million quid bungs. And running a political party full of racialists*.

    *Sorry, I just like this word.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956

    The country I love. Now he channels Theresa May.

    Island of strangers....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342
    Sandpit said:

    Did his father make tools?

    No, he made a joke of not saying that.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    A speech empty of anything new from a man who has run out of ideas and time
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,133

    He will block so called far right agitators from coming to the UK. But he won't block hate preachers from entering.

    That may upset voters he needs to win back from the Greens.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,364
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    2m
    Joking aside, it genuinely does look as if the overnight trail really was the bulk of the speech. Literally nothing of substance beyond it. Some more apprenticeships. An EU student programme. Rehash of British Steel policy. Some Labour MPs were wondering if he'd have a rabbit.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2053769338109194304
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526
    tlg86 said:

    Nationalisation of British Steel, subject to.terms and conditions....

    Do we have any steelworks left to nationalise?
    A small number.

    But then, you don't need much volume of steel for toolmaking.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687
    tlg86 said:

    Nationalisation of British Steel, subject to.terms and conditions....

    Do we have any steelworks left to nationalise?
    One left capable of producing virgin steel.

    I’m not a fan of government owning the means of production, but there’s significant national security reasons for not letting it shut after several failed attempts at ownership.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 607
    Nationalising British steel is a relatively small symbolic thing. Starmer didn't drop the red lines. All he offered on Europe were words. Useless words. He needed to pull out the stops to save the party. This wasn't it. Limping ahead as usual. Somebody with bigger nuts need to be in charge.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,853
    Catherine West can't credibly drop her challenge now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,364
    He should have announced HS2 is back on for Manchester.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,526

    Guaranteed jobs for NEETS sounds dangerously like it will be operationalised as sanctions for the poorest.

    One of the policy platforms for my UnDicatorship is the construction of Rockall Naval Base. Sized to house a large fleet.

    The really lucky involuntary volunteers will get *big* teaspoons to dig with.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956

    Nationalising British steel is a relatively small symbolic thing. Starmer didn't drop the red lines. All he offered on Europe were words. Useless words. He needed to pull out the stops to save the party. This wasn't it. Limping ahead as usual. Somebody with bigger nuts need to be in charge.

    It was always going to be nationalised as nobody is going to buy the plant. The original sale to the Chiness was well dodgy.
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