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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    Labour lose Leeds to NOC
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    2x Reform and 1x Green in Walker (Newcastle upon Tyne)

    Currently:

    Reform 20
    Lib Dem 19
    Green 18
    Independent 3
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,136
    Looks like Senedd 43 PC , 34 REF, 9 LAB, 7 CON, 2 GRN, 1 LD.

    So Labour avoid being pushed into fourth but still end up on single digits for seats. An incredible collapse in their heartland.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,384
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Here is Lawrence Britt's famous list of "fourteen identifiers" of the Far Right - ie Fascism



    Powerful, continuous nationalism - flags, slogans, symbols everywhere

    Disdain for human rights - abuses rationalised away through fear

    Enemies as unifying scapegoat - a common foe binds the nation

    Supremacy of the military - glamourised, lavishly funded

    Rampant sexism - male dominance, rigid gender roles enforced

    Controlled mass media - direct or indirect, especially in wartime

    Obsession with national security - fear as the motivational tool

    Religion and government intertwined - faith weaponised by the state

    Corporate power protected - business and government as power elite

    Labour power suppressed - unions curtailed or eliminated

    Disdain for intellectuals and the arts - academia and free expression attacked

    Obsession with crime and punishment - police given near-limitless powers

    Rampant cronyism and corruption - rule by a self-appointing clique

    Fraudulent elections - sham votes, smears, suppression, manipulation



    It seems to me that Iran fulfils nearly all of those. Other contenders are North Korea and Russia. THAT is the far right. Not Nigel bleedin' Farage

    Flags, eh? Good start.
    Have you ever been abroad? There are national flags everywhere.
    Got a bit of a shock driving through Birmingham, it seems to be flaggier than the Brexity parts of Essex - its as reliable a sign of voting as a Gails for the LDs.

    Abroad - it varies a lot, some flaggier than here, others less flaggy.

    Anyway, Leon's chosen list suggests Reform are meeting many of the characteristics of the far right. Flags, human rights, enemies, national security, disdain for intellectuals, academia, obsession with crime, suppression of unions, cronyism and corruption all unambiguously ticked.
    Depends what part of Brum,

    When I was down there for a Blues game it was very flaggy there too. But those were Palestine flags.
    Kingstanding is flag central. Lots of flags in Mere Green too, but Sutton has (so far) stayed Tory.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,763

    NEW THREAD

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    FF43 said:

    Is the "Reform aren't right wing" debate an updated version of the "Nazis were actually socialists" claim that got much airing on here?

    You are misquoting the debate. The issue is whether or not they are 'Far Right' not just 'Right'.
    I don't think it's yet very clear what Reform are.

    They are certainly the party of protest/change on the right, and their support is heavily skewed towards those who voted for Brexit and/or are deeply concerned about immigration. But other than their positions on those two things, it's not at all clear to me what they stand for.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,384
    Biggest cheers at the count in Brum have been from the Greens, but Lib Dems hanging on in there. We took both seats in Small Heath, which was good news
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,393
    edited May 8
    MattW said:

    theProle said:

    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Fewer PB Centrist Dads claiming that Farage is a total and perpetual loser, I note

    When you step back, what he has done - AGAIN - is quite astonishing

    Reform will be running a lot of councils after today.

    The exposure will begin.
    You've spelt ruining wrong.
    I remember all this hysteria after the locals last year. I have now lived in a Ref County Council area for a year. It's difficult to identify any obvious improvements, but it's also difficult to identify any change at-all. I've certainly not noticed anything negative either.

    They've managed to increase council tax by less than the national average, which is a small win I suppose.

    All the doom and gloom that everything will fall apart in weeks has been complete bunkum. The biggest local government "scandal" in my area involves the Labour run District Council (which will almost certainly go Reform if any more elections occur before it is abolished), where they are trying with unseamly haste and with no particularly convincing reasoning to sell off the Town Hall rather cheaply to a property developer who one suspects has been very "friendly" towards a number of the councillors.
    One of the common features of the Reform Councils (judging by my local 2 or 3, and accounts of others) is a rabbit-in-the-headlights freeze for 6 or 9 months, and a fair amount of running around in circles, because there are a lot of unjustified assumptions, little experience, less preparation, followed by the legal requirements eventually hitting like a freight train when the budget process comes around.

    It will be interesting to see if this pattern is repeated.
    To be fair, that's not unique to Reform takeovers. And in the meantime, the officers run the show according to the law. (One of the problems Havering Residents' Associations had was that, even four years in, they relied on officers filling the gaps where their ideas should have been.)

    Reform councils have a couple of extra challenges. One is that so many of their newly-elected are so new to this; you really ought to be able to find your way around the Town Hall building before being appointed to Cabient. The other is that a lot of their appeal has been saying to voters 'you don't have to choose between these two shitty outcomes; our way is a better way'. They are about to have a lot of officer briefings saying that the Reform way breaks either the laws of the land or those of arithmetic, and asking which of the shitty outcomes would they prefer?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,436

    Disappointing to see Greens finish 5th

    Was hoping for 800 seats looks like circa 500

    At least you have probably seen the final nail in Starmer's political coffin.
    Not sure 1200 losses is at the lower end of expectations and still possible to finish 2nd on seats
    Wales was terrible. They didn't even get a vote from @Mexicant.
    Is that @SeanT s non-union Mexican equivalent?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfWj_BVE0Kg
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,929

    2x Reform and 1x Green in Walker (Newcastle upon Tyne)

    Currently:

    Reform 20
    Lib Dem 19
    Green 18
    Independent 3

    Kenton Labour's best hope in the City. Too posh for Reform, not posh enough for Lib Dems, too old for Greens?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,530
    Wanstead Park (Redbridge) - 1 Green, 1 Labour
    (1 Green gain)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    Senedd results

    PC win most seats but will need Labour support to pass legislation

    PC 43, Reform 34, Labour 9, Conservatives 7, Green 2, LDs 1

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news#election-wales
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    edited May 8
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Reform gain Wakefield.

    This from the BBC:

    Wakefield has seen an overall turnout of 36.6% - the highest in 10 years.
    From what I've been told, it sounds like many people who have avoiding voting for many years and first-time voters made the decision to get to the polls yesterday.
    As it’s an 'all-out' election with every seat up for grabs, people feel their vote really matters and can influence the look of the entire local authority...


    That's really poor.
    It is, but at least it has risen! 30-50% is about what you get in locals, though the lowest I've seen is around 18%.
    Well, yes. But if you're talking about "many people who have avoided voting for years" turning out, then 36% is pretty poor.

    In nearby Calderdale (where Reform are taking a lot of seats), turnout was 45%.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    edited May 8
    Plaid 43
    Reform 34
    Labour 9
    Conservatives 7
    Greens 2
    Lib dems 1

    Final result for Senedd

    Labour on 9 - just take that in
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 8
    Labour now second on English council seats won.

    Reform 1079, Labour 685, LDs 681, Conservatives 612, Greens 343

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news#election-england
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,317
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    Is the "Reform aren't right wing" debate an updated version of the "Nazis were actually socialists" claim that got much airing on here?

    You are misquoting the debate. The issue is whether or not they are 'Far Right' not just 'Right'.
    I don't think it's yet very clear what Reform are.

    They are certainly the party of protest/change on the right, and their support is heavily skewed towards those who voted for Brexit and/or are deeply concerned about immigration. But other than their positions on those two things, it's not at all clear to me what they stand for.
    They are at the open to suggestions stage, assuming one has enough crypto.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    HYUFD said:

    Senedd results

    PC win most seats but will need Labour support to pass legislation

    PC 43, Reform 34, Labour 9, Conservatives 7, Green 2, LDs 1

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news#election-wales

    Not so

    Labour only have 9 seats

    Plaid will not want to be associated with labour

    Plaid have always said they will act as a minority government
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,605

    Plaid 43
    Reform 34
    Labour 9
    Conservatives 7
    Greens 2
    Lib dems 1

    Final result for Senedd

    Labour on 9 - just take that in

    That is bad, particularly with RefCons on a whopping 41.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,604
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Here is Lawrence Britt's famous list of "fourteen identifiers" of the Far Right - ie Fascism



    Powerful, continuous nationalism - flags, slogans, symbols everywhere

    Disdain for human rights - abuses rationalised away through fear

    Enemies as unifying scapegoat - a common foe binds the nation

    Supremacy of the military - glamourised, lavishly funded

    Rampant sexism - male dominance, rigid gender roles enforced

    Controlled mass media - direct or indirect, especially in wartime

    Obsession with national security - fear as the motivational tool

    Religion and government intertwined - faith weaponised by the state

    Corporate power protected - business and government as power elite

    Labour power suppressed - unions curtailed or eliminated

    Disdain for intellectuals and the arts - academia and free expression attacked

    Obsession with crime and punishment - police given near-limitless powers

    Rampant cronyism and corruption - rule by a self-appointing clique

    Fraudulent elections - sham votes, smears, suppression, manipulation



    It seems to me that Iran fulfils nearly all of those. Other contenders are North Korea and Russia. THAT is the far right. Not Nigel bleedin' Farage

    Just to add, very sadly, Netanyahu's Israel also ticks quite a few of those boxes. Not as many as Iran or Russia, but, too many
    Box ticking? You'll be wearing a landyard next.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,605

    HYUFD said:

    Senedd results

    PC win most seats but will need Labour support to pass legislation

    PC 43, Reform 34, Labour 9, Conservatives 7, Green 2, LDs 1

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news#election-wales

    Not so

    Labour only have 9 seats

    Plaid will not want to be associated with labour

    Plaid have always said they will act as a minority government
    They will need c and s I would have thought. But you are right, no coalition with Labour. PC and Cons get PC over the line too
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,252
    edited May 8
    Senedd (final)
    • Plaid Cymru 43 seats (20 seats gained)
    • Reform UK 34 seats (34 seats gained)
    • Labour 9 seats (35 seats lost)
    • Conservative 7 seats (22 seats lost)
    • Green 2 seats (2 seats gained)
    • Liberal Democrat 1 seat (1 seat gained?)
    Total 96
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/#election-wales
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2052802650698117569

    Labour has lost control of Brent, which wasn't even considered to be at risk

    There's been a Green/ Lib Dem surge and Labour has lost 21 seats.

    It's looking very bad for Labour in London
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    edited May 8
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  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 227

    *The BBC journalist who should have become Political Editor.

    @Mexicanpete If only. Can watch/listen to her with little hint of bias. Sadly, life has a habit of getting in the way.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,881
    According to Luke its not too bad

    @lukeakehurst
    ·
    9h
    A useful benchmark for London is that in 2006 Labour only held control of 7 London boroughs. So far we have already held Merton, Ealing and Hammersmith & Fulham.

    LOL You can literally smell the desperation from one term wanker Luke
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,693
    Looking at the LD gains from Labour in Camden, they're sometimes because the LD vote has remained static, but Lab votes have gone to the Greens.

    Labour remain in control of the council, but with a much reduced majority. I think the final tally is 11 Grn to 10 LD, so Green become the official opposition...

    ... but there's a twist. It looks like one of the winning Greens is ineligible, so by-election time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,605

    .....

    One of your more enlightening posts.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,995

    Disappointing to see Greens finish 5th

    Was hoping for 800 seats looks like circa 500

    Vote Green to get Reform. It sucks but that's how it is.
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