Supermarkets aren't innocent in all this. They took away tills to save staff costs. Many got rid of all barriers to maximise floor space. If you can go into my local little Sainsbury's and stroll around without anyone having seen you enter and loads of product right by the door then what are they honestly expecting? It's difficult to find an employee in there. There's no place for shop floor staff to actually be. Except behind the kiosk. Which you can't see the exit doors from. And which is locked and needs a code to enter or leave.
The Sainsbury's near me is exactly the same. I doubt they ever have more than two staff in the store and they're often in the stock room or in a corner filling a shelf. Someone could walk in, fill a bag full of stuff, and walk back out without ever being noticed.
I have limited sympathy for supermarket chains. If they run the little shops like that and forbid staff and guards in the big ones from preventing shoplifting, well what did they think would happen.
My suspicion is, of all the local supermarkets, the Food Warehouse probably has the lowest loss of stock to shoplifters. They place only heavy items, like multi-packs of soft drinks near the entrance, there's lots of staff around (no self-checkouts) and the store layout isn't conducive to grab-and-run tactics.
Which poses the obvious question - we've now got 50% more plod per head of population than in 1960. Why do we also have far more crime?
We don’t.
We do and we don't but friends of mine have spent their old age studying this at second degree level. We have more defined crime - once upon a time stepping on the cracks in a pavement was bad form now it is an indictable offence. We have more detected crime - once upon a time you could step on the cracks in the pavement and nobody noticed so you got away with it, now there is almost certainly CCTV evidence There is a greater willingness to report some crimes - someone will now report you as a stepper on the cracks in the pavement whereas once they wouldn't. The police have to log many reports of crimes which were once seen as trivial. In former times they wouldn't have made a record of you being reported for stepping on the cracks in the pavement. And so on
E&W has a crime survey since 1981 that just asks people if they have experienced crime. That's by far the best way to measure it, and it shows huge decreases across everything except fraud. For example, in my lifetime, theft is down 78%, violent crime is s down 75%, criminal damage down 82%.
PBers point this out all the time and yet the misperception persists, even on a forum as informed as this.
Fair comment, but what is crime ?
An internationally famous musician lost his virginity aged 15 in the late 1950s. No secret he says it in interviews. Was that a crime, he was sufficiently confident about it to include it in his authorised biographies. Would it be a crime now ?
I have been the victim of two significant thefts over the last ten years, no one wanted to know really.
My tenant might or might not have played fast and loose with a small aspect of the planning system and might have failed to ask for prior approval for something that didn't need permission. THat has taken more national park officer time than it was worth and might cost me something close to the cost of the lesser of the two thefts. He did nothing wrong I guess seeing as no rep of the national park has dared come up our lane since before Christmas. But what is theft ?
Supermarkets aren't innocent in all this. They took away tills to save staff costs. Many got rid of all barriers to maximise floor space. If you can go into my local little Sainsbury's and stroll around without anyone having seen you enter and loads of product right by the door then what are they honestly expecting? It's difficult to find an employee in there. There's no place for shop floor staff to actually be. Except behind the kiosk. Which you can't see the exit doors from. And which is locked and needs a code to enter or leave.
You can walk into pretty much any bookstore on the same terms. Do they deserve it too?
Ultimately, it's the thieving shit's fault for being a thieving shit.
I didn't say they deserved it. I said they've cut costs to facilitate its ease. I assume you don't leave your doors to your house and car unlocked at all times? Because that's the equivalent.
Which poses the obvious question - we've now got 50% more plod per head of population than in 1960. Why do we also have far more crime?
We don’t.
Oh yes we do, jsut because plod don't record teh majority of stuff does not mean it does not happen.
The crime survey shows a decrease in crime. This has nothing to do with whether the police record a crime or not.
In some crime categories recorded crime is increasing, while the prevalence of the crime is at best unchanged, because more people are reporting to the police (I believe this is true of rape, for example - looking at the data there has been an increase in sexual offences in the crime survey over the last decade. That is a surprise to me. I wonder what is behind that.)
Supermarkets aren't innocent in all this. They took away tills to save staff costs. Many got rid of all barriers to maximise floor space. If you can go into my local little Sainsbury's and stroll around without anyone having seen you enter and loads of product right by the door then what are they honestly expecting? It's difficult to find an employee in there. There's no place for shop floor staff to actually be. Except behind the kiosk. Which you can't see the exit doors from. And which is locked and needs a code to enter or leave.
You can walk into pretty much any bookstore on the same terms. Do they deserve it too?
Ultimately, it's the thieving shit's fault for being a thieving shit.
I didn't say they deserved it. I said they've cut costs to facilitate its ease. I assume you don't leave your doors to your house and car unlocked at all times? Because that's the equivalent.
No, but you implied it.
The only people to blame are the scumbags doing the thieving.
It’s very PB to make excuses for them.
My front door is currently unlocked. The car was on the drive this morning, wasn’t locked. There’s nothing jn it.
Supermarkets aren't innocent in all this. They took away tills to save staff costs. Many got rid of all barriers to maximise floor space. If you can go into my local little Sainsbury's and stroll around without anyone having seen you enter and loads of product right by the door then what are they honestly expecting? It's difficult to find an employee in there. There's no place for shop floor staff to actually be. Except behind the kiosk. Which you can't see the exit doors from. And which is locked and needs a code to enter or leave.
You can walk into pretty much any bookstore on the same terms. Do they deserve it too?
Ultimately, it's the thieving shit's fault for being a thieving shit.
I didn't say they deserved it. I said they've cut costs to facilitate its ease. I assume you don't leave your doors to your house and car unlocked at all times? Because that's the equivalent.
No, but you implied it.
The only people to blame are the scumbags doing the thieving.
It’s very PB to make excuses for them.
My front door is currently unlocked. The car was on the drive this morning, wasn’t locked. There’s nothing jn it.
Did I bollocks. And I hope you aren't wasting money on insurance.
I am not convinced that there is benefit to changing Badenoch for another muppet. The problems run much deeper than that.
There is literally no point to the tories' continued existence. The Fukkers serve up the kind of mindless cruelty and ignorance that tory voters love but with a lot more conviction and authenticity.
Supermarkets aren't innocent in all this. They took away tills to save staff costs. Many got rid of all barriers to maximise floor space. If you can go into my local little Sainsbury's and stroll around without anyone having seen you enter and loads of product right by the door then what are they honestly expecting? It's difficult to find an employee in there. There's no place for shop floor staff to actually be. Except behind the kiosk. Which you can't see the exit doors from. And which is locked and needs a code to enter or leave.
You can walk into pretty much any bookstore on the same terms. Do they deserve it too?
Ultimately, it's the thieving shit's fault for being a thieving shit.
I didn't say they deserved it. I said they've cut costs to facilitate its ease. I assume you don't leave your doors to your house and car unlocked at all times? Because that's the equivalent.
No, but you implied it.
The only people to blame are the scumbags doing the thieving.
It’s very PB to make excuses for them.
My front door is currently unlocked. The car was on the drive this morning, wasn’t locked. There’s nothing jn it.
Did I bollocks. And I hope you aren't wasting money on insurance.
Of course you did
The car was unlocked while I unloaded the shopping
Good look to everybody voting against Reform today.
Such petty small minded self-harming bollocks. You'd rather give power to Polanski's lot. Makes me want to vote Reform to be honest, though that would still be allowing your witless drivel to influence me in some form.
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I have limited sympathy for supermarket chains. If they run the little shops like that and forbid staff and guards in the big ones from preventing shoplifting, well what did they think would happen.
My suspicion is, of all the local supermarkets, the Food Warehouse probably has the lowest loss of stock to shoplifters. They place only heavy items, like multi-packs of soft drinks near the entrance, there's lots of staff around (no self-checkouts) and the store layout isn't conducive to grab-and-run tactics.
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An internationally famous musician lost his virginity aged 15 in the late 1950s. No secret he says it in interviews. Was that a crime, he was sufficiently confident about it to include it in his authorised biographies. Would it be a crime now ?
I have been the victim of two significant thefts over the last ten years, no one wanted to know really.
My tenant might or might not have played fast and loose with a small aspect of the planning system and might have failed to ask for prior approval for something that didn't need permission. THat has taken more national park officer time than it was worth and might cost me something close to the cost of the lesser of the two thefts. He did nothing wrong I guess seeing as no rep of the national park has dared come up our lane since before Christmas. But what is theft ?
I said they've cut costs to facilitate its ease.
I assume you don't leave your doors to your house and car unlocked at all times?
Because that's the equivalent.
In some crime categories recorded crime is increasing, while the prevalence of the crime is at best unchanged, because more people are reporting to the police (I believe this is true of rape, for example - looking at the data there has been an increase in sexual offences in the crime survey over the last decade. That is a surprise to me. I wonder what is behind that.)
The only people to blame are the scumbags doing the thieving.
It’s very PB to make excuses for them.
My front door is currently unlocked. The car was on the drive this morning, wasn’t locked. There’s nothing jn it.
And I hope you aren't wasting money on insurance.
The car was unlocked while I unloaded the shopping