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The new PM would also assume the position of Acting Leader of the Labour Party (not Lucy Powell as Deputy Leader, which is what would happen in Opposition).

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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,254
    Calm Starm. Too big to flail.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,826
    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,837

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,702

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Thank goodness.

    Has it gone on for much longer, all manner of stockpiles might have started to run out.

    There are many such cases:
    Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron all depend on a gas extracted from the Dead Sea to etch their memory chips. South Korea imports 97.5% of its bromine from a single country in the Middle East. One facility there extracts the raw material and converts it into semiconductor-grade hydrogen bromide on-site. It sits less than 40 kilometers from where missiles landed in March. Hydrogen bromide can etch one layer of a transistor without touching the layer beneath it, at 100-to-1 precision. Chlorine alternatives manage 30-to-1. At the scale these chips are built, that gap is the difference between a functional transistor and a destroyed one. There is no substitute in sight. Three other companies on Earth produce nearly all of it: Resonac, Air Liquide, and Adeka. They are fully committed to existing customers. Building new conversion capacity takes two to five years and requires 99.9999% purity. I manufacture chemicals. Bromine exists in Arkansas, in China, in Jordan. But industrial bromine is not semiconductor-grade hydrogen bromide.
    https://x.com/Gaurab/status/2045155425746850164
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,887
    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,650

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,926

    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643

    If only it was 2000 miles of international waters from France to England and not 0 mms
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,961
    edited April 17
    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,150
    Betfair market rule is "next permanent Labour Party leader after Keir Starmer, as chosen by a Labour Party leadership contest"
    Is Rayner ineligible because of the HMRC investigation?
    I'm surprised she hasn't cleared the tax (or a rich supporter on her behalf) but reports are that she is still disputing it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,254
    edited April 17

    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643

    This tweet seems to mistake what Rwanda was. It was not just offshore processing, failed and successful asylum seekers would have stayed there. The deterrent would have been real, if the scheme could have worked.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,923

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
    He needs to finish this one ASAP so he can move on to Cuba.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,273

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Would you?

    Not sure why.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    edited April 17

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,696
    Afternoon all :)

    Well, after weeks of tension and unease, perhaps finally some light at the end of the Strait. IF this is a full unfettered reopening, we should presumably see global supply issues ease in time.

    The pressure will now (rightly) be on big oil which has done very well out of all this - as people see oil prices returning back to pre-conflict levels, there will be questions asked as to when and by how much petrol and diesel prices will fall.

    Now, I imagine the experts on here will come up with all sorts of reasons why prices will remain high for a while - frankly, I don't care. We should see the prices fall quickly and immediately - the oil companies can suck up the loss as they have profited (and profiteered) from the conflict so let them take some pain while the public has had to watch their costs increase.

    For a change, I'd like to see Government AND Opposition working together on this to force the prices back down to pre-Conflict levels over the next 2-4 weeks.

    Obviously, the other piece of significant news is @Leon and his taxes. I presume that's been a big part of the DJIA closing in on 50,000.

    My abiding regret is NOT opening a trading contract in November 2008 and buying the DJIA at $100 a point when it was 7,500 - I thought the Dow rising was the biggest certainty since the last one but I was in Las Vegas and more interested in winning at the Blackjack tables in The Mirage.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,696

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,527
    @willhaycardiff.bsky.social‬

    "I would rather w**k with a razor".

    Pretty clear response from bloke in Wales when asked if he would consider voting Reform...

    https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3mjowfn3jjs2c
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,961
    Scott_xP said:

    @willhaycardiff.bsky.social‬

    "I would rather w**k with a razor".

    Pretty clear response from bloke in Wales when asked if he would consider voting Reform...

    https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3mjowfn3jjs2c

    I presume that will be the next sexual fetish to be banned by the government.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,887

    Scott_xP said:

    @willhaycardiff.bsky.social‬

    "I would rather w**k with a razor".

    Pretty clear response from bloke in Wales when asked if he would consider voting Reform...

    https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3mjowfn3jjs2c

    I presume that will be the next sexual fetish to be banned by the government.
    Voting Reform?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,612
    LOL.


  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,516

    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643

    Nothing is a 'silver bullet'. Any solutions will be multi-facated, because the problem is multi-faceted.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,516
    carnforth said:

    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643

    This tweet seems to mistake what Rwanda was. It was not just offshore processing, failed and successful asylum seekers would have stayed there. The deterrent would have been real, if the scheme could have worked.
    And if it involved more than a very small number of people being granted asylum in Rwanda.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,535
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Well, after weeks of tension and unease, perhaps finally some light at the end of the Strait. IF this is a full unfettered reopening, we should presumably see global supply issues ease in time.

    The pressure will now (rightly) be on big oil which has done very well out of all this - as people see oil prices returning back to pre-conflict levels, there will be questions asked as to when and by how much petrol and diesel prices will fall.

    Now, I imagine the experts on here will come up with all sorts of reasons why prices will remain high for a while - frankly, I don't care. We should see the prices fall quickly and immediately - the oil companies can suck up the loss as they have profited (and profiteered) from the conflict so let them take some pain while the public has had to watch their costs increase.

    For a change, I'd like to see Government AND Opposition working together on this to force the prices back down to pre-Conflict levels over the next 2-4 weeks.

    Obviously, the other piece of significant news is @Leon and his taxes. I presume that's been a big part of the DJIA closing in on 50,000.

    My abiding regret is NOT opening a trading contract in November 2008 and buying the DJIA at $100 a point when it was 7,500 - I thought the Dow rising was the biggest certainty since the last one but I was in Las Vegas and more interested in winning at the Blackjack tables in The Mirage.

    That is a remarkably naive comment. You do realise that, apart from increasing or decreasing supply, 'Big Oil' as you so amusingly phrase it, has no influence over the price of oil and gas? That is all done by traders in the financial markets who are far removed from the companies that actually produce the stuff. And the idea that politicians in a single country can change anything other than how much they tax is really funny.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,702

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
    Can always start another one.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,562

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Well, after weeks of tension and unease, perhaps finally some light at the end of the Strait. IF this is a full unfettered reopening, we should presumably see global supply issues ease in time.

    The pressure will now (rightly) be on big oil which has done very well out of all this - as people see oil prices returning back to pre-conflict levels, there will be questions asked as to when and by how much petrol and diesel prices will fall.

    Now, I imagine the experts on here will come up with all sorts of reasons why prices will remain high for a while - frankly, I don't care. We should see the prices fall quickly and immediately - the oil companies can suck up the loss as they have profited (and profiteered) from the conflict so let them take some pain while the public has had to watch their costs increase.

    For a change, I'd like to see Government AND Opposition working together on this to force the prices back down to pre-Conflict levels over the next 2-4 weeks.

    Obviously, the other piece of significant news is @Leon and his taxes. I presume that's been a big part of the DJIA closing in on 50,000.

    My abiding regret is NOT opening a trading contract in November 2008 and buying the DJIA at $100 a point when it was 7,500 - I thought the Dow rising was the biggest certainty since the last one but I was in Las Vegas and more interested in winning at the Blackjack tables in The Mirage.

    That is a remarkably naive comment. You do realise that, apart from increasing or decreasing supply, 'Big Oil' as you so amusingly phrase it, has no influence over the price of oil and gas? That is all done by traders in the financial markets who are far removed from the companies that actually produce the stuff. And the idea that politicians in a single country can change anything other than how much they tax is really funny.
    Even funnier is why Big Oil lost control of the price.

    Because of decolonisation, in much of the world, they no longer own the oil and gas. The locals do. So the Big Oil companies are working on a margin.

    The world got woke... The people to complain to live in Nigeria, Saudi Arabia....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,949

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
    He'll be able to turn his hand to fixing the war with Cuba next.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    edited April 17
    Come on Cabinet, start resigning. You know it makes sense
    If it doesnt work you can pretend you didnt resign anyway. Its not like your letter will cross his desk
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,884

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Would you?

    Not sure why.
    The usual analogy for political aggression is that it's like fast bowling; a potent weapon if and only if it's completely accurate.

    I've not been following the story this afternoon, but the bits I've seen seem to imply that Starmer really didn't know the stuff that made Mandelson unappointable, rather than a possibly worthwhile risk.

    That shouldn't leave him in the clear- there are loads of important questions of why he didn't know, why he didn't ask. And I'm not sure they have any good answers for the PM.

    But by going all-in on the lying point (looking for a mirror image of Boris?), Kemi risks letting the government collect four byes that they have done nothing to deserve.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,887
    DavidL said:

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
    He'll be able to turn his hand to fixing the war with Cuba next.
    He'll make Cuba great again by replacing the current leader with a member of the Castro family.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,612

    Come on Cabinet, start resigning. You know it makes sense
    If it doesnt work you can pretend you didnt resign anyway. Its not like your letter will cross his desk

    No, I need a quiet weekend.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,696

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Well, after weeks of tension and unease, perhaps finally some light at the end of the Strait. IF this is a full unfettered reopening, we should presumably see global supply issues ease in time.

    The pressure will now (rightly) be on big oil which has done very well out of all this - as people see oil prices returning back to pre-conflict levels, there will be questions asked as to when and by how much petrol and diesel prices will fall.

    Now, I imagine the experts on here will come up with all sorts of reasons why prices will remain high for a while - frankly, I don't care. We should see the prices fall quickly and immediately - the oil companies can suck up the loss as they have profited (and profiteered) from the conflict so let them take some pain while the public has had to watch their costs increase.

    For a change, I'd like to see Government AND Opposition working together on this to force the prices back down to pre-Conflict levels over the next 2-4 weeks.

    Obviously, the other piece of significant news is @Leon and his taxes. I presume that's been a big part of the DJIA closing in on 50,000.

    My abiding regret is NOT opening a trading contract in November 2008 and buying the DJIA at $100 a point when it was 7,500 - I thought the Dow rising was the biggest certainty since the last one but I was in Las Vegas and more interested in winning at the Blackjack tables in The Mirage.

    That is a remarkably naive comment. You do realise that, apart from increasing or decreasing supply, 'Big Oil' as you so amusingly phrase it, has no influence over the price of oil and gas? That is all done by traders in the financial markets who are far removed from the companies that actually produce the stuff. And the idea that politicians in a single country can change anything other than how much they tax is really funny.
    Apologies for my naivety and I fully accept that's not how the world may work but it's how I, and I suspect, many others see it from the confines of the petrol pump at their local garage.

    There have been those who have profited from all this - IF WTI or Brent goes to S110 a barrel, someone is paying that to someone else. I don't know who the "someone else" is - my suspicion is the American oil companies have done very well out of this but again I could be wrong.

    I also accept the Treasury has been quite happy to takemin the fuel duty but when you're £120 billion in the hole, every little helps as some supermarket periodically reminds me.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,448
    Nigelb said:

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
    Can always start another one.
    He does have quite a list. Canada, Greenland, Cuba ...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,826

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Broken, sleazy Rebour on the slide!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134
    edited April 17

    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
    Absolutely. Starmer won’t get credit for the end of the war. He’s done nothing to end it.

    He gets some credit for not getting us involved though. Still, the economic pain of the war has only just started to bite - and it will be a lagging indicator. We’re likely to have a difficult summer and autumn on the economic front, though hopefully if the peace holds we might get back to slightly better news by the end of the year. Rate rises might be off the table now, but it’s hard to see cuts now until very late into the year or early next. Whether that’s too late for Starmer, time will tell. I doubt he’s going to be forced out before May (though he should possibly go). It’s 50/50 for me whether he’ll face a challenge after the elections - the Labour Party aren’t very good at forcing PMs out, which works in his favour.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    Come on Cabinet, start resigning. You know it makes sense
    If it doesnt work you can pretend you didnt resign anyway. Its not like your letter will cross his desk

    No, I need a quiet weekend.
    Balls to your weekend, sir. I require entertainment
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,396
    How's that regimey changey thing goin' for y'all?

  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    DavidL said:

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
    He'll be able to turn his hand to fixing the war with Cuba next.
    How he ends the war in Greenland will be interesting. He needs a junior partner to go in with. I assume Netanyahu won’t be interested.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,826
    MelonB said:

    DavidL said:

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
    He'll be able to turn his hand to fixing the war with Cuba next.
    How he ends the war in Greenland will be interesting. He needs a junior partner to go in with. I assume Netanyahu won’t be interested.
    Plenty of space for Settlements.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,826

    Come on Cabinet, start resigning. You know it makes sense
    If it doesnt work you can pretend you didnt resign anyway. Its not like your letter will cross his desk

    No, I need a quiet weekend.
    You're going soft!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,396

    Ron Filipkowski
    @RonFilipkowski
    ·
    57m
    Trump has now made 13 posts over the last hour declaring victory in Iran.

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2045160632492716291
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,961
    edited April 17

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Would you?

    Not sure why.
    The usual analogy for political aggression is that it's like fast bowling; a potent weapon if and only if it's completely accurate.

    I've not been following the story this afternoon, but the bits I've seen seem to imply that Starmer really didn't know the stuff that made Mandelson unappointable, rather than a possibly worthwhile risk.

    That shouldn't leave him in the clear- there are loads of important questions of why he didn't know, why he didn't ask. And I'm not sure they have any good answers for the PM.

    But by going all-in on the lying point (looking for a mirror image of Boris?), Kemi risks letting the government collect four byes that they have done nothing to deserve.
    You obviously never saw Sid Lawrence bowl then....

    A former pro said similar to me about Devon Malcolm, he had fuck all idea where it was going to go, so no chance of me reading it. All I knew was, was it was going to come fast.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    edited April 17
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Well, after weeks of tension and unease, perhaps finally some light at the end of the Strait. IF this is a full unfettered reopening, we should presumably see global supply issues ease in time.

    The pressure will now (rightly) be on big oil which has done very well out of all this - as people see oil prices returning back to pre-conflict levels, there will be questions asked as to when and by how much petrol and diesel prices will fall.

    Now, I imagine the experts on here will come up with all sorts of reasons why prices will remain high for a while - frankly, I don't care. We should see the prices fall quickly and immediately - the oil companies can suck up the loss as they have profited (and profiteered) from the conflict so let them take some pain while the public has had to watch their costs increase.

    For a change, I'd like to see Government AND Opposition working together on this to force the prices back down to pre-Conflict levels over the next 2-4 weeks.

    Obviously, the other piece of significant news is @Leon and his taxes. I presume that's been a big part of the DJIA closing in on 50,000.

    My abiding regret is NOT opening a trading contract in November 2008 and buying the DJIA at $100 a point when it was 7,500 - I thought the Dow rising was the biggest certainty since the last one but I was in Las Vegas and more interested in winning at the Blackjack tables in The Mirage.

    That is a remarkably naive comment. You do realise that, apart from increasing or decreasing supply, 'Big Oil' as you so amusingly phrase it, has no influence over the price of oil and gas? That is all done by traders in the financial markets who are far removed from the companies that actually produce the stuff. And the idea that politicians in a single country can change anything other than how much they tax is really funny.
    Apologies for my naivety and I fully accept that's not how the world may work but it's how I, and I suspect, many others see it from the confines of the petrol pump at their local garage.

    There have been those who have profited from all this - IF WTI or Brent goes to S110 a barrel, someone is paying that to someone else. I don't know who the "someone else" is - my suspicion is the American oil companies have done very well out of this but again I could be wrong.

    I also accept the Treasury has been quite happy to takemin the fuel duty but when you're £120 billion in the hole, every little helps as some supermarket periodically reminds me.
    The integrated oil companies are largely price takers. That said, most of them have in-house trading desks, and one of the benefits of trading from a long position (ie if you are vertically integrated) is market knowledge and some degree of control over production and mix of - particularly - refined products.

    But the pure oil traders and the freight brokers have been making good money in the last few weeks because of all the arbitrage opportunities.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,612


    Ron Filipkowski
    @RonFilipkowski
    ·
    57m
    Trump has now made 13 posts over the last hour declaring victory in Iran.

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2045160632492716291

    Somebody should tell Don that self praise is no praise at all, it is a mantra I have stuck to my entire life.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,696

    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
    Here I think you're confusing political nerdery with the general public which has the memory of a gnat and a similar attention span.

    On the one hand, you can't, as a Conservative, whitewash what your Party didn't achieve in 14 years of leading the Government and expect the public to run back to the blue rosette while at the same time expecting everyone to remember every detail of what Starmer did from July 2024.

    An example - the Thatcher Government teetered on the brink during Westland when Heseltine theatrically walked out of Cabinet - there was a real sense of crisis over what had happened and oddly enough had a forensic Starmer rather than a verbally incontinent Kinnock been at the Dispatch Box it's possible the Government might have fallen. A little over a year later and a re-election with a majority of 101.

    You and I might remember the minutiae - most people don't. I'll be blunt - if the perception is immigration under control and the economy doing all right, Starmer will win re-election. If the perception is things aren't going well and immigration is still perceived as being out of control, there'll be a different result.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,466

    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643

    Shame there are no international waters in the Strait of Dover for this to work. It’s 21-mile-wide and consists entirely of UK and French territorial waters, meaning there is no high seas space in the middle. The Australian method relies on no one pushing them back in the other direction
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
    Here I think you're confusing political nerdery with the general public which has the memory of a gnat and a similar attention span.

    On the one hand, you can't, as a Conservative, whitewash what your Party didn't achieve in 14 years of leading the Government and expect the public to run back to the blue rosette while at the same time expecting everyone to remember every detail of what Starmer did from July 2024.

    An example - the Thatcher Government teetered on the brink during Westland when Heseltine theatrically walked out of Cabinet - there was a real sense of crisis over what had happened and oddly enough had a forensic Starmer rather than a verbally incontinent Kinnock been at the Dispatch Box it's possible the Government might have fallen. A little over a year later and a re-election with a majority of 101.

    You and I might remember the minutiae - most people don't. I'll be blunt - if the perception is immigration under control and the economy doing all right, Starmer will win re-election. If the perception is things aren't going well and immigration is still perceived as being out of control, there'll be a different result.
    I dont disagree on Labours chances next time. What i take issue with is the idea that the end of the Iran US war somehow ends the chance of Starmer being ousted as you suggested. It will make zero difference. Other factors will determine that.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,884
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
    Here I think you're confusing political nerdery with the general public which has the memory of a gnat and a similar attention span.

    On the one hand, you can't, as a Conservative, whitewash what your Party didn't achieve in 14 years of leading the Government and expect the public to run back to the blue rosette while at the same time expecting everyone to remember every detail of what Starmer did from July 2024.

    An example - the Thatcher Government teetered on the brink during Westland when Heseltine theatrically walked out of Cabinet - there was a real sense of crisis over what had happened and oddly enough had a forensic Starmer rather than a verbally incontinent Kinnock been at the Dispatch Box it's possible the Government might have fallen. A little over a year later and a re-election with a majority of 101.

    You and I might remember the minutiae - most people don't. I'll be blunt - if the perception is immigration under control and the economy doing all right, Starmer will win re-election. If the perception is things aren't going well and immigration is still perceived as being out of control, there'll be a different result.
    Or the Scott report, which probably should have been the end of Major's government. Or Hutton and Blair.

    One of the few joys available to an opposition politician is 'We've really got them this time.' One of the sharpest pains is the realisation that, a few days later, they're still in power.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Time for the next cost of living accelerator: the coming El Niño.

    We’re actually seeing a very unusual long lived Westerly Wind Burst in the Eastern Pacific at the moment, just as the more usual (but extremely strong) WWB in the West Pacific winds down, which should increase the likelihood of an East-based rather than Modoki El Niño. Those tend to have more severe impacts on tropical rainfall.



    Dynamic models now hinting at a close to record breaking event.

    https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/nino34Sea.gif

    Remember: this means higher prices for soy, rice, Alfalfa, Millet and (usually) wheat.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,696

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Well, Sir Ed will be happier with this but I thought the 9% an outlier.

    I'm quite happy to join the view Reform are now off the top but as others have and will point out, there are still gains for them to be made in May though the May 2026 results won't be as good in terms of vote shares as the May 2025 results were and it will be interesting to see or try to determine how many seats Reform will fail to win in three weeks because of their decline in share.

    The Greens will do well though how well remains to be seen. Newham (and if everyone continues to behave badly,I'll put up a thread for @TSE to consider on the election in my backyard (metaphorically not literally) won't see the Green gains other Inner London Boroughs (Hackney, Lewisham) are likely to see but they could still win 6-8 seats and might become the kingmakers in a hung council.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,527
    @KateSullivanDC

    I just spoke to the President on the phone. He said Iran has agreed to an “unlimited” suspension of its nuclear program and that the US is not going to release any frozen Iranian funds.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,396

    Sadly Bibi and Don have strengthened the position of the theocrats in Tehran, the absolute roasters.

    The Ayatollah and the IRGC are going to crack down even harder on the dissidents as they will say it is Allah's will/munificence that they defeated the Zionists and the Great Satan.

    The fact Bibi and Don also targeted civilian infrastructure has also made life even harder for the ordinary Iranian.

    A circle of hell waits for all three leaders.

    Not sure this is over yet...

    Babak Vahdad
    @BabakVahdad

    Tasnim says Iran has reportedly set three conditions for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz:

    1.Only commercial ships allowed, no military vessels; cargo must not be linked to “hostile” states.

    2.Transit must follow routes designated by Iran.

    3.Passage requires coordination with the IRGC Navy.
    #Iran #Iranwar

    https://x.com/BabakVahdad/status/2045155300072731043
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    DougSeal said:

    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643

    Shame there are no international waters in the Strait of Dover for this to work. It’s 21-mile-wide and consists entirely of UK and French territorial waters, meaning there is no high seas space in the middle. The Australian method relies on no one pushing them back in the other direction
    Like the straits of Hormuz though. We could blockade it then charge £20 million for every container ship wanting to pass through.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,356
    So if Labour mps resign from cabinet to challenge ge Starmer, they become ineligible to choose or become his successor.

    That's neat!
  • eekeek Posts: 33,926
    DougSeal said:

    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643

    Shame there are no international waters in the Strait of Dover for this to work. It’s 21-mile-wide and consists entirely of UK and French territorial waters, meaning there is no high seas space in the middle. The Australian method relies on no one pushing them back in the other direction
    It actually relies on the point they are picked up being international and picking them up early enough that they can justify towing them back to where they started off from.

    As we all know the Australian approach simply isn't possible in the Channel but it's a brilliant what could be for Farage / racists
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,818


    Ron Filipkowski
    @RonFilipkowski
    ·
    57m
    Trump has now made 13 posts over the last hour declaring victory in Iran.

    https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/2045160632492716291

    Somebody should tell Don that self praise is no praise at all, it is a mantra I have stuck to my entire life.
    For some of us it is all we have!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,696

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
    Here I think you're confusing political nerdery with the general public which has the memory of a gnat and a similar attention span.

    On the one hand, you can't, as a Conservative, whitewash what your Party didn't achieve in 14 years of leading the Government and expect the public to run back to the blue rosette while at the same time expecting everyone to remember every detail of what Starmer did from July 2024.

    An example - the Thatcher Government teetered on the brink during Westland when Heseltine theatrically walked out of Cabinet - there was a real sense of crisis over what had happened and oddly enough had a forensic Starmer rather than a verbally incontinent Kinnock been at the Dispatch Box it's possible the Government might have fallen. A little over a year later and a re-election with a majority of 101.

    You and I might remember the minutiae - most people don't. I'll be blunt - if the perception is immigration under control and the economy doing all right, Starmer will win re-election. If the perception is things aren't going well and immigration is still perceived as being out of control, there'll be a different result.
    I dont disagree on Labours chances next time. What i take issue with is the idea that the end of the Iran US war somehow ends the chance of Starmer being ousted as you suggested. It will make zero difference. Other factors will determine that.
    My view last night and today is until there's a "smoking gun" showing Starmer intervened to overrule the vetting and then lied about it to Parliament, he's safe.

    IF Starmer inadvertently misled Parliament on the basis of incorrect or incomplete information, then an apology is warranted but no more. IF, however, he knowingly misled Parliament, that's a hanging offence (metaphorically not literally) and he will have to resign.

    I can't believe he doesn't know that so unless there's clear and indisputable evidence, it looks like incompetence anmd miscommunication and that'sdamaging but not fatally.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,480

    How's that regimey changey thing goin' for y'all?

    Coming to lots of council chambers in 3 weeks time.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,884
    edited April 17
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
    Here I think you're confusing political nerdery with the general public which has the memory of a gnat and a similar attention span.

    On the one hand, you can't, as a Conservative, whitewash what your Party didn't achieve in 14 years of leading the Government and expect the public to run back to the blue rosette while at the same time expecting everyone to remember every detail of what Starmer did from July 2024.

    An example - the Thatcher Government teetered on the brink during Westland when Heseltine theatrically walked out of Cabinet - there was a real sense of crisis over what had happened and oddly enough had a forensic Starmer rather than a verbally incontinent Kinnock been at the Dispatch Box it's possible the Government might have fallen. A little over a year later and a re-election with a majority of 101.

    You and I might remember the minutiae - most people don't. I'll be blunt - if the perception is immigration under control and the economy doing all right, Starmer will win re-election. If the perception is things aren't going well and immigration is still perceived as being out of control, there'll be a different result.
    I dont disagree on Labours chances next time. What i take issue with is the idea that the end of the Iran US war somehow ends the chance of Starmer being ousted as you suggested. It will make zero difference. Other factors will determine that.
    My view last night and today is until there's a "smoking gun" showing Starmer intervened to overrule the vetting and then lied about it to Parliament, he's safe.

    IF Starmer inadvertently misled Parliament on the basis of incorrect or incomplete information, then an apology is warranted but no more. IF, however, he knowingly misled Parliament, that's a hanging offence (metaphorically not literally) and he will have to resign.

    I can't believe he doesn't know that so unless there's clear and indisputable evidence, it looks like incompetence anmd miscommunication and that'sdamaging but not fatally.
    And whilst there is smoke, and there is a gun, and neither of those is good, there isn't anything connecting the two yet.

    Which highlights how silly Boris's response to Partygate was.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,396
    edited April 17
    Scott_xP said:

    @KateSullivanDC

    I just spoke to the President on the phone. He said Iran has agreed to an “unlimited” suspension of its nuclear program and that the US is not going to release any frozen Iranian funds.


    No they haven't agreed that would be my very strong theory.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,818

    Sadly Bibi and Don have strengthened the position of the theocrats in Tehran, the absolute roasters.

    The Ayatollah and the IRGC are going to crack down even harder on the dissidents as they will say it is Allah's will/munificence that they defeated the Zionists and the Great Satan.

    The fact Bibi and Don also targeted civilian infrastructure has also made life even harder for the ordinary Iranian.

    A circle of hell waits for all three leaders.

    And Don will call it a great triumph. What a joke.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    edited April 17
    stodge said:

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Well, Sir Ed will be happier with this but I thought the 9% an outlier.

    I'm quite happy to join the view Reform are now off the top but as others have and will point out, there are still gains for them to be made in May though the May 2026 results won't be as good in terms of vote shares as the May 2025 results were and it will be interesting to see or try to determine how many seats Reform will fail to win in three weeks because of their decline in share.

    The Greens will do well though how well remains to be seen. Newham (and if everyone continues to behave badly,I'll put up a thread for @TSE to consider on the election in my backyard (metaphorically not literally) won't see the Green gains other Inner London Boroughs (Hackney, Lewisham) are likely to see but they could still win 6-8 seats and might become the kingmakers in a hung council.
    Reform will gain plenty for sure. Winning most wards om the night will be an interestimg benchmark (imake that somewhere in the 1000 to 1400 gains range . But also wont as yiu say br as good as May 2025. If we look at Narborough last night as an example, a similar sort of pattern last May would have had them well short of largest party in Leicestershire (Narborough was by far their best ward in Blaby) and maybe theyd have been falling just short of majority or largest party elsewhere too.... if that is what happens this year we eill see what sort of narrative comes out of it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,396
    kle4 said:

    Sadly Bibi and Don have strengthened the position of the theocrats in Tehran, the absolute roasters.

    The Ayatollah and the IRGC are going to crack down even harder on the dissidents as they will say it is Allah's will/munificence that they defeated the Zionists and the Great Satan.

    The fact Bibi and Don also targeted civilian infrastructure has also made life even harder for the ordinary Iranian.

    A circle of hell waits for all three leaders.

    And Don will call it a great triumph. What a joke.
    He's already planning the massive stone arch to celebrate.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,263
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
    Here I think you're confusing political nerdery with the general public which has the memory of a gnat and a similar attention span.

    On the one hand, you can't, as a Conservative, whitewash what your Party didn't achieve in 14 years of leading the Government and expect the public to run back to the blue rosette while at the same time expecting everyone to remember every detail of what Starmer did from July 2024.

    An example - the Thatcher Government teetered on the brink during Westland when Heseltine theatrically walked out of Cabinet - there was a real sense of crisis over what had happened and oddly enough had a forensic Starmer rather than a verbally incontinent Kinnock been at the Dispatch Box it's possible the Government might have fallen. A little over a year later and a re-election with a majority of 101.

    You and I might remember the minutiae - most people don't. I'll be blunt - if the perception is immigration under control and the economy doing all right, Starmer will win re-election. If the perception is things aren't going well and immigration is still perceived as being out of control, there'll be a different result.
    I dont disagree on Labours chances next time. What i take issue with is the idea that the end of the Iran US war somehow ends the chance of Starmer being ousted as you suggested. It will make zero difference. Other factors will determine that.
    My view last night and today is until there's a "smoking gun" showing Starmer intervened to overrule the vetting and then lied about it to Parliament, he's safe.

    IF Starmer inadvertently misled Parliament on the basis of incorrect or incomplete information, then an apology is warranted but no more. IF, however, he knowingly misled Parliament, that's a hanging offence (metaphorically not literally) and he will have to resign.

    I can't believe he doesn't know that so unless there's clear and indisputable evidence, it looks like incompetence anmd miscommunication and that'sdamaging but not fatally.
    He knew, but "unofficially" so can deny it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,396

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    9m
    This is the circle it's impossible for No.10 to square. If, as they have begun claiming, Robbins was indeed precluded from informing them because of the rules, then there were no grounds to sack him. If the rules did not preclude him, then it's inconceivable he didn't tell them.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2045178926083768617
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,263
    rkrkrk said:

    So if Labour mps resign from cabinet to challenge ge Starmer, they become ineligible to choose or become his successor.

    That's neat!

    I'm which case, they should challenge Starmer and not resign.

    Best to do it en masse. Starmer could of course fire them but if over half the cabinet has told him to f*** off he might not.

    Of course, he'd probably do the standard thing of resigning at some point in the future to allow an election to happen
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,696

    stodge said:

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Well, Sir Ed will be happier with this but I thought the 9% an outlier.

    I'm quite happy to join the view Reform are now off the top but as others have and will point out, there are still gains for them to be made in May though the May 2026 results won't be as good in terms of vote shares as the May 2025 results were and it will be interesting to see or try to determine how many seats Reform will fail to win in three weeks because of their decline in share.

    The Greens will do well though how well remains to be seen. Newham (and if everyone continues to behave badly,I'll put up a thread for @TSE to consider on the election in my backyard (metaphorically not literally) won't see the Green gains other Inner London Boroughs (Hackney, Lewisham) are likely to see but they could still win 6-8 seats and might become the kingmakers in a hung council.
    Reform will gain plenty for sure. Winning most wards om the night will be an interestimg benchmark (imake that somewhere in the 1000 to 1400 gains range . But also wont as yiu say br as good as May 2025. If we look at Narborough last night as an example, a similar sort of pattern last May would have had them well short of largest party in Leicestershire (Narborough was by far their best ward in Blaby) and maybe theyd have been falling just short of majority or largest party elsewhere too.... if that is what happens this year we eill see what sort of narrative comes out of it
    Well, yes, and while extrapolating from local council by-elections isn't always the best approach, what I think we may see in three weeks is a stronger Conservative performance in their areas of known strength (but poor elsewhere) and ditto for the Liberal Democrats.

    That might mean less change in London for example than some have been suggesting.
  • isamisam Posts: 44,230
    Life imitating art (imitating life)?

    The 'Rhodesia Solution': How to use word tricks to 'disclose' a scandal to a Prime Minister while allowing him not to act. And to say, later on, that he wasn't really told...

    https://x.com/frasernelson/status/2045158346135572879?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,961
    edited April 17
    Daniel Kinahan is ARRESTED in Dubai

    Dubai Police said the arrest took place on April 15. They said Kinahan, who has been based in the UAE for over a decade, was arrested within 48 hours of the warrant being issued by the Irish government.

    Somebodies bribe money didn't get paid on time.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,562

    kle4 said:

    Sadly Bibi and Don have strengthened the position of the theocrats in Tehran, the absolute roasters.

    The Ayatollah and the IRGC are going to crack down even harder on the dissidents as they will say it is Allah's will/munificence that they defeated the Zionists and the Great Satan.

    The fact Bibi and Don also targeted civilian infrastructure has also made life even harder for the ordinary Iranian.

    A circle of hell waits for all three leaders.

    And Don will call it a great triumph. What a joke.
    He's already planning the massive stone arch to celebrate.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_the_Philaeni
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Well, Sir Ed will be happier with this but I thought the 9% an outlier.

    I'm quite happy to join the view Reform are now off the top but as others have and will point out, there are still gains for them to be made in May though the May 2026 results won't be as good in terms of vote shares as the May 2025 results were and it will be interesting to see or try to determine how many seats Reform will fail to win in three weeks because of their decline in share.

    The Greens will do well though how well remains to be seen. Newham (and if everyone continues to behave badly,I'll put up a thread for @TSE to consider on the election in my backyard (metaphorically not literally) won't see the Green gains other Inner London Boroughs (Hackney, Lewisham) are likely to see but they could still win 6-8 seats and might become the kingmakers in a hung council.
    Reform will gain plenty for sure. Winning most wards om the night will be an interestimg benchmark (imake that somewhere in the 1000 to 1400 gains range . But also wont as yiu say br as good as May 2025. If we look at Narborough last night as an example, a similar sort of pattern last May would have had them well short of largest party in Leicestershire (Narborough was by far their best ward in Blaby) and maybe theyd have been falling just short of majority or largest party elsewhere too.... if that is what happens this year we eill see what sort of narrative comes out of it
    Well, yes, and while extrapolating from local council by-elections isn't always the best approach, what I think we may see in three weeks is a stronger Conservative performance in their areas of known strength (but poor elsewhere) and ditto for the Liberal Democrats.

    That might mean less change in London for example than some have been suggesting.
    Yeah, agree. Tories certainly will be looking at the likes of Solihull for some hoped for comfort.
    I'm getting less confdent of much resilence in much of Norfolk. But a bit more than some of the prediction sites predict
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,882
    edited April 17
    I am not sure that the header is correct. These are the Labour Party rules according to the 2026 rulebook.

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Rule-Book-2026.pdf

    "Procedure in a vacancy:

    When the Party is in government and the
    Party leader is prime minister and the Party
    leader, for whatever reason, becomes permanently unavailable, the Cabinet
    shall, in consultation with the NEC, appoint
    one of its members to serve as Party
    leader until a ballot under these rules can
    be carried out."

    The NEC membership list:

    https://labour.org.uk/whos-on-the-nec/

    So while Powell is not in Cabinet, she is on the NEC. The wording in the rulebook is a bit ambiguous but could be interpreted to mean that NEC members are also eligible to be Leader.

    The rules also state that this is a temporary measure until a formal leadership contest takes place.


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,818

    Daniel Kinahan is ARRESTED in Dubai

    Dubai Police said the arrest took place on April 15. They said Kinahan, who has been based in the UAE for over a decade, was arrested within 48 hours of the warrant being issued by the Irish government.

    Somebodies bribe money didn't get paid on time.

    They say judge a man by his enemies, though I think you can judge them by both their enemies and allies, per wikipedia.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,486

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    he said 10th
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,426
    edited April 17
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Kemi has gone all Vinnie Jones + Harry Maguire, two footed, ball grabbing, hair pulling, Starmer is a liar etc etc etc.

    Very unwise I would suggest.

    Nah. The vast bulk have had enough of him and many are starting to see him as venal and that the 'but hes a good man' stuff is bull. Its time to drive him out of our lives and politics. A clean amputation. Better days ahead with him behind us etc

    Others will disagree but the 'decent man' stuff is looking very old hat and clapped out.
    That isn't Badenoch's real problem.

    IF this is the end of the conflict and life returning to what passes for normal, the opportunity to get rid of Starmer has likely passed. Let's say Labour do slightly less badly and the Conservatives slightly more badly than is generally baked in and the pressure is back on her.

    IF we get six months of relative calm and petrol prices fall back, the only one getting the credit will be Starmer.

    To be fair, the continuing implosion of Reform still offers the Conservatives the possibility of remaining in second place (and therefore the credible alternative Government) after the next election and we still have the thick end of three years of "events, dear boy, events" as someone once said to navigate..
    Im not sure why the end of a war between the US and Iran would affect Starmers chances of surviving. He isnt as popular as the clap due to Iran/US but a litany of other things.and Labour, likewise, are struggling due to those same things,
    Here I think you're confusing political nerdery with the general public which has the memory of a gnat and a similar attention span.

    On the one hand, you can't, as a Conservative, whitewash what your Party didn't achieve in 14 years of leading the Government and expect the public to run back to the blue rosette while at the same time expecting everyone to remember every detail of what Starmer did from July 2024.

    An example - the Thatcher Government teetered on the brink during Westland when Heseltine theatrically walked out of Cabinet - there was a real sense of crisis over what had happened and oddly enough had a forensic Starmer rather than a verbally incontinent Kinnock been at the Dispatch Box it's possible the Government might have fallen. A little over a year later and a re-election with a majority of 101.

    You and I might remember the minutiae - most people don't. I'll be blunt - if the perception is immigration under control and the economy doing all right, Starmer will win re-election. If the perception is things aren't going well and immigration is still perceived as being out of control, there'll be a different result.
    I dont disagree on Labours chances next time. What i take issue with is the idea that the end of the Iran US war somehow ends the chance of Starmer being ousted as you suggested. It will make zero difference. Other factors will determine that.
    My view last night and today is until there's a "smoking gun" showing Starmer intervened to overrule the vetting and then lied about it to Parliament, he's safe.

    IF Starmer inadvertently misled Parliament on the basis of incorrect or incomplete information, then an apology is warranted but no more. IF, however, he knowingly misled Parliament, that's a hanging offence (metaphorically not literally) and he will have to resign.

    I can't believe he doesn't know that so unless there's clear and indisputable evidence, it looks like incompetence anmd miscommunication and that'sdamaging but not fatally.
    His government's only card is incompetence and miscommunication. It is what has got it to losing umpteen hundred seats next month.

    If there was proven active lying it would be in single digits.

    A great outcome for Labour being that it has shown its incompetence and miscommunication would be bad enough. But there is now also a large side-order of skepticism that it is probably lying about what went down. And that is very, very bad.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    So how long does this latest attempt at a ceasefire last?

    Remember that Iran have won and America reduced to begging. Would be surprised if this just stops and stays stopped.

    America needs to have won something
    Netanyahu is under massive pressure to keep bombing
    Iran has learned that with a few drones and some mines it can hold the infidel to ransom

    Would be great if that was all now done, but I can’t see it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,961
    edited April 17
    isam said:

    Life imitating art (imitating life)?

    The 'Rhodesia Solution': How to use word tricks to 'disclose' a scandal to a Prime Minister while allowing him not to act. And to say, later on, that he wasn't really told...

    https://x.com/frasernelson/status/2045158346135572879?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The modern update to this of course is I lost the password to my WhatsApp account or my phone was unfortunately stolen by those e-bike thungs and I accidentally misreported where I was and who I am.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,516
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Well, after weeks of tension and unease, perhaps finally some light at the end of the Strait. IF this is a full unfettered reopening, we should presumably see global supply issues ease in time.

    The pressure will now (rightly) be on big oil which has done very well out of all this - as people see oil prices returning back to pre-conflict levels, there will be questions asked as to when and by how much petrol and diesel prices will fall.

    Now, I imagine the experts on here will come up with all sorts of reasons why prices will remain high for a while - frankly, I don't care. We should see the prices fall quickly and immediately - the oil companies can suck up the loss as they have profited (and profiteered) from the conflict so let them take some pain while the public has had to watch their costs increase.

    For a change, I'd like to see Government AND Opposition working together on this to force the prices back down to pre-Conflict levels over the next 2-4 weeks.

    Obviously, the other piece of significant news is @Leon and his taxes. I presume that's been a big part of the DJIA closing in on 50,000.

    My abiding regret is NOT opening a trading contract in November 2008 and buying the DJIA at $100 a point when it was 7,500 - I thought the Dow rising was the biggest certainty since the last one but I was in Las Vegas and more interested in winning at the Blackjack tables in The Mirage.

    That is a remarkably naive comment. You do realise that, apart from increasing or decreasing supply, 'Big Oil' as you so amusingly phrase it, has no influence over the price of oil and gas? That is all done by traders in the financial markets who are far removed from the companies that actually produce the stuff. And the idea that politicians in a single country can change anything other than how much they tax is really funny.
    Apologies for my naivety and I fully accept that's not how the world may work but it's how I, and I suspect, many others see it from the confines of the petrol pump at their local garage.

    There have been those who have profited from all this - IF WTI or Brent goes to S110 a barrel, someone is paying that to someone else. I don't know who the "someone else" is - my suspicion is the American oil companies have done very well out of this but again I could be wrong.

    I also accept the Treasury has been quite happy to takemin the fuel duty but when you're £120 billion in the hole, every little helps as some supermarket periodically reminds me.
    Most of the majors (Shell, BP, etc.) don't benefit that much from higher oil prices, because the deals they've signed with countries like Qatar, Nigeria, etc., give most of the upside to the governments themselves. They basically get paid a toll for extracting oil, and then they get a small oil price kicker.

    Now, there are companies that do benefit more directly from the price of oil: but they are mostly US and Canadian firms with lots of North Americn production.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,818
    edited April 17
    I was excited for some surprisingly direct Scottish party manifesto covers, but unfortunately it was jut Wings being cheeky.

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-narcissism-of-no-differences/#more-156556
    (used up my image quota)

    The summary of the Reform one is pretty amusing:
    Scotland cannot be a country, but it can be the most successful country in the world that isn’t really a country and can’t run its own affairs.”
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,456
    eek said:

    Interesting post on Australia's experience with asylum.

    Tl;dr: offshore processing doesn't work, but turning back the boats does.

    https://x.com/s8mb/status/2045141157135417643

    If only it was 2000 miles of international waters from France to England and not 0 mms
    For all sorts of reasons
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,961
    edited April 17
    kle4 said:

    Daniel Kinahan is ARRESTED in Dubai

    Dubai Police said the arrest took place on April 15. They said Kinahan, who has been based in the UAE for over a decade, was arrested within 48 hours of the warrant being issued by the Irish government.

    Somebodies bribe money didn't get paid on time.

    They say judge a man by his enemies, though I think you can judge them by both their enemies and allies, per wikipedia.

    I am sure the embarrasement from Bellingcat the other week of him and his dad sitting front row at a big MMA event has not had anything to do with the situation. Before that the authorities claimed no idea where they are, went into the desert, never seen again. Might be in Syria or Iraq or something like that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,837
    malcolmg said:

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    he said 10th
    My mistake. At least ten.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,516
    MelonB said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Well, after weeks of tension and unease, perhaps finally some light at the end of the Strait. IF this is a full unfettered reopening, we should presumably see global supply issues ease in time.

    The pressure will now (rightly) be on big oil which has done very well out of all this - as people see oil prices returning back to pre-conflict levels, there will be questions asked as to when and by how much petrol and diesel prices will fall.

    Now, I imagine the experts on here will come up with all sorts of reasons why prices will remain high for a while - frankly, I don't care. We should see the prices fall quickly and immediately - the oil companies can suck up the loss as they have profited (and profiteered) from the conflict so let them take some pain while the public has had to watch their costs increase.

    For a change, I'd like to see Government AND Opposition working together on this to force the prices back down to pre-Conflict levels over the next 2-4 weeks.

    Obviously, the other piece of significant news is @Leon and his taxes. I presume that's been a big part of the DJIA closing in on 50,000.

    My abiding regret is NOT opening a trading contract in November 2008 and buying the DJIA at $100 a point when it was 7,500 - I thought the Dow rising was the biggest certainty since the last one but I was in Las Vegas and more interested in winning at the Blackjack tables in The Mirage.

    That is a remarkably naive comment. You do realise that, apart from increasing or decreasing supply, 'Big Oil' as you so amusingly phrase it, has no influence over the price of oil and gas? That is all done by traders in the financial markets who are far removed from the companies that actually produce the stuff. And the idea that politicians in a single country can change anything other than how much they tax is really funny.
    Apologies for my naivety and I fully accept that's not how the world may work but it's how I, and I suspect, many others see it from the confines of the petrol pump at their local garage.

    There have been those who have profited from all this - IF WTI or Brent goes to S110 a barrel, someone is paying that to someone else. I don't know who the "someone else" is - my suspicion is the American oil companies have done very well out of this but again I could be wrong.

    I also accept the Treasury has been quite happy to takemin the fuel duty but when you're £120 billion in the hole, every little helps as some supermarket periodically reminds me.
    The integrated oil companies are largely price takers. That said, most of them have in-house trading desks, and one of the benefits of trading from a long position (ie if you are vertically integrated) is market knowledge and some degree of control over production and mix of - particularly - refined products.

    But the pure oil traders and the freight brokers have been making good money in the last few weeks because of all the arbitrage opportunities.
    They'll have done "OK", I'm sure.

    But I think it's easy to miss what the majors core competences are: in most cases it's being able to manage $30-40bn engineering projects in some of the most challenging locations in the world, and to have the processes and systems in place to deliver things (roughly) on-time and on-budget.

    A lot of what Exxon and Shell do is going to countries with stranded gas (Papua New Guinea, Peru, etc.) and then build and run massive LNG plants very far from civilization. That's something no one else can do.

    The guys who make money from the oil price are the E&Ps, especially the ones with lots of US unconventional exposure.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,837

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Well, Sir Ed will be happier with this but I thought the 9% an outlier.

    I'm quite happy to join the view Reform are now off the top but as others have and will point out, there are still gains for them to be made in May though the May 2026 results won't be as good in terms of vote shares as the May 2025 results were and it will be interesting to see or try to determine how many seats Reform will fail to win in three weeks because of their decline in share.

    The Greens will do well though how well remains to be seen. Newham (and if everyone continues to behave badly,I'll put up a thread for @TSE to consider on the election in my backyard (metaphorically not literally) won't see the Green gains other Inner London Boroughs (Hackney, Lewisham) are likely to see but they could still win 6-8 seats and might become the kingmakers in a hung council.
    Reform will gain plenty for sure. Winning most wards om the night will be an interestimg benchmark (imake that somewhere in the 1000 to 1400 gains range . But also wont as yiu say br as good as May 2025. If we look at Narborough last night as an example, a similar sort of pattern last May would have had them well short of largest party in Leicestershire (Narborough was by far their best ward in Blaby) and maybe theyd have been falling just short of majority or largest party elsewhere too.... if that is what happens this year we eill see what sort of narrative comes out of it
    Well, yes, and while extrapolating from local council by-elections isn't always the best approach, what I think we may see in three weeks is a stronger Conservative performance in their areas of known strength (but poor elsewhere) and ditto for the Liberal Democrats.

    That might mean less change in London for example than some have been suggesting.
    Yeah, agree. Tories certainly will be looking at the likes of Solihull for some hoped for comfort.
    I'm getting less confdent of much resilence in much of Norfolk. But a bit more than some of the prediction sites predict
    Have you seen the flegs in Greater Solihull? I would imagine Chelmsley Wood is Reform Central.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,480
    stodge said:

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Well, Sir Ed will be happier with this but I thought the 9% an outlier.

    I'm quite happy to join the view Reform are now off the top but as others have and will point out, there are still gains for them to be made in May though the May 2026 results won't be as good in terms of vote shares as the May 2025 results were and it will be interesting to see or try to determine how many seats Reform will fail to win in three weeks because of their decline in share.

    The Greens will do well though how well remains to be seen. Newham (and if everyone continues to behave badly,I'll put up a thread for @TSE to consider on the election in my backyard (metaphorically not literally) won't see the Green gains other Inner London Boroughs (Hackney, Lewisham) are likely to see but they could still win 6-8 seats and might become the kingmakers in a hung council.
    Looking at national polling, the Ref-Con gap is a bit narrower than in May 25. However, the Ref-Lab gap has widened a bit. So still plenty of Reform gains to be had in the Red Wall. Then we have the Green surge and sectarian independents to take seats from Labour too.

    So while the results in England may not be quite as bad as last year for the Tories, Labour will receive a shellacking and a half.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,525
    isam said:

    Life imitating art (imitating life)?

    The 'Rhodesia Solution': How to use word tricks to 'disclose' a scandal to a Prime Minister while allowing him not to act. And to say, later on, that he wasn't really told...

    https://x.com/frasernelson/status/2045158346135572879?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well done to Fraser Nelson, only 16 hours after I posted this on PB:

    Has the Rhodesia Solution been tried yet ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGJH_-S_MGs

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,216

    Daniel Kinahan is ARRESTED in Dubai

    Dubai Police said the arrest took place on April 15. They said Kinahan, who has been based in the UAE for over a decade, was arrested within 48 hours of the warrant being issued by the Irish government.

    Somebodies bribe money didn't get paid on time.

    Is this the guy who tweets ‘rack of the day’ ?

    If so what a sad loss.
  • stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Well, Sir Ed will be happier with this but I thought the 9% an outlier.

    I'm quite happy to join the view Reform are now off the top but as others have and will point out, there are still gains for them to be made in May though the May 2026 results won't be as good in terms of vote shares as the May 2025 results were and it will be interesting to see or try to determine how many seats Reform will fail to win in three weeks because of their decline in share.

    The Greens will do well though how well remains to be seen. Newham (and if everyone continues to behave badly,I'll put up a thread for @TSE to consider on the election in my backyard (metaphorically not literally) won't see the Green gains other Inner London Boroughs (Hackney, Lewisham) are likely to see but they could still win 6-8 seats and might become the kingmakers in a hung council.
    Reform will gain plenty for sure. Winning most wards om the night will be an interestimg benchmark (imake that somewhere in the 1000 to 1400 gains range . But also wont as yiu say br as good as May 2025. If we look at Narborough last night as an example, a similar sort of pattern last May would have had them well short of largest party in Leicestershire (Narborough was by far their best ward in Blaby) and maybe theyd have been falling just short of majority or largest party elsewhere too.... if that is what happens this year we eill see what sort of narrative comes out of it
    Well, yes, and while extrapolating from local council by-elections isn't always the best approach, what I think we may see in three weeks is a stronger Conservative performance in their areas of known strength (but poor elsewhere) and ditto for the Liberal Democrats.

    That might mean less change in London for example than some have been suggesting.
    Yeah, agree. Tories certainly will be looking at the likes of Solihull for some hoped for comfort.
    I'm getting less confdent of much resilence in much of Norfolk. But a bit more than some of the prediction sites predict
    Have you seen the flegs in Greater Solihull? I would imagine Chelmsley Wood is Reform Central.
    The whole country is becoming Ulster. There are flags everywhere here

    They’re actually quite handy in places like Belfast as an indicator you’re heading west or east etc
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,380

    Daniel Kinahan is ARRESTED in Dubai

    Dubai Police said the arrest took place on April 15. They said Kinahan, who has been based in the UAE for over a decade, was arrested within 48 hours of the warrant being issued by the Irish government.

    Somebodies bribe money didn't get paid on time.

    Kinahan was involved in a famous racing scandal 20 years ago.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/syndicate-sought-to-confront-fallon-1.971118
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,961
    edited April 17

    Daniel Kinahan is ARRESTED in Dubai

    Dubai Police said the arrest took place on April 15. They said Kinahan, who has been based in the UAE for over a decade, was arrested within 48 hours of the warrant being issued by the Irish government.

    Somebodies bribe money didn't get paid on time.

    Kinahan was involved in a famous racing scandal 20 years ago.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/syndicate-sought-to-confront-fallon-1.971118
    Nick Daniel here, however, has all twenty fat little fingers, and toes, in every dirty rotten stinking pie in London, Ireland, Dubai, ....."
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,216

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Ipsos polling. LD recovery, more evidence of Reform decline

    Reform 25% (-3)
    Labour 19% (-2)
    Conservative 19% (+2)
    Greens 17% (No change)
    Lib Dems 14% (+5)
    Others 7% (-1)

    9-15 April

    Well, Sir Ed will be happier with this but I thought the 9% an outlier.

    I'm quite happy to join the view Reform are now off the top but as others have and will point out, there are still gains for them to be made in May though the May 2026 results won't be as good in terms of vote shares as the May 2025 results were and it will be interesting to see or try to determine how many seats Reform will fail to win in three weeks because of their decline in share.

    The Greens will do well though how well remains to be seen. Newham (and if everyone continues to behave badly,I'll put up a thread for @TSE to consider on the election in my backyard (metaphorically not literally) won't see the Green gains other Inner London Boroughs (Hackney, Lewisham) are likely to see but they could still win 6-8 seats and might become the kingmakers in a hung council.
    Reform will gain plenty for sure. Winning most wards om the night will be an interestimg benchmark (imake that somewhere in the 1000 to 1400 gains range . But also wont as yiu say br as good as May 2025. If we look at Narborough last night as an example, a similar sort of pattern last May would have had them well short of largest party in Leicestershire (Narborough was by far their best ward in Blaby) and maybe theyd have been falling just short of majority or largest party elsewhere too.... if that is what happens this year we eill see what sort of narrative comes out of it
    Well, yes, and while extrapolating from local council by-elections isn't always the best approach, what I think we may see in three weeks is a stronger Conservative performance in their areas of known strength (but poor elsewhere) and ditto for the Liberal Democrats.

    That might mean less change in London for example than some have been suggesting.
    Yeah, agree. Tories certainly will be looking at the likes of Solihull for some hoped for comfort.
    I'm getting less confdent of much resilence in much of Norfolk. But a bit more than some of the prediction sites predict
    Have you seen the flegs in Greater Solihull? I would imagine Chelmsley Wood is Reform Central.
    Unlikely. Woolie is an expert on places he’s never been to and knows little about aside from Google.

    I used to go to the Wood when I was younger.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,516
    malcolmg said:

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    he said 10th
    It's entirely possible that Iran will be 9th through 43rd.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,498
    AnneJGP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    Terrific. He'll soon be running out of wars to fix.
    Can always start another one.
    He does have quite a list. Canada, Greenland, Cuba ...
    and the Vatican
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,949
    I mean, seriously, would you work for this man? So many of those who chose to have been thrown under @TSE's bus. Its never his fault. Someone else, possibly you if you were so foolish, will take the blame. It's the way he works.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,150
    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:

    Well done to Mr Trump for ending it. The ninth I think.
    he said 10th
    It's entirely possible that Iran will be 9th through 43rd.
    Are they including Lebanon?
    Strictly speaking that's separate isn't it?
    US & Israel Vs Iran but only Israel Vs Lebanon.

    If he has actually got Israel to agree and comply with a ceasefire with Lebanon then I'll give him credit for that one.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,327
    What a position for Olly Robbins .

    He could end Starmers premiership on Tuesday .
  • glwglw Posts: 10,923
    The line that No. 10 is getting loyal MPs to trot out this evening is "Starmer's kept us out of a war". That is correct, but it's independent of his appointment of Mandelson. Being right in one case doesn't magically cancel out a serious error of judgement, or even worse lying to Parliament.

    If anyone at No. 10 is reading, this deflection doesn't work, generally it just makes people even more annoyed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,961
    glw said:

    The line that No. 10 is getting loyal MPs to trot out this evening is "Starmer's kept us out of a war". That is correct, but it's independent of his appointment of Mandelson. Being right in one case doesn't magically cancel out a serious error of judgement, or even worse lying to Parliament.

    If anyone at No. 10 is reading, this deflection doesn't work, generally it just makes people even more annoyed.

    Last time it was, Starmer, he cares a lot about women and girls.....
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