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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,816

    Starmer is a VERY lucky general.

    And PB overreacted once again.

    I think Starmer is done.

    But even if they get their man PB frotters have frotted themselves senseless.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,234

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2045144206247645578

    Keir Starmer says the UK will lead a defensive military mission with France to protect shipping in the Strait of Hormuz

    What are we defending when it's open?

    Cringe.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,464

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "IRAN HAS JUST ANNOUNCED THAT THE STRAIT OF IRAN IS FULLY OPEN AND READY FOR FULL PASSAGE. THANK YOU!"

    Amusing that Iran has cucked Trump into being their spokesman.
    Frankly they can call it what the hell they want as long as it's open.
    The White House wanted it renamed Trump's Passage.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,287
    edited April 17
    A

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2045139907664916808

    The U.S.A. will get all Nuclear "Dust," created by our great B2 Bombers - No money will exchange hands in any way, shape, or form. This deal is in no way subject to Lebanon, either, but the USA will, separately, work with Lebanon, and deal with the Hezboolah situation in an appropriate manner. Israel will not be bombing Lebanon any longer. They are PROHIBITED from doing so by the U.S.A. Enough is enough!!! Thank you! President DJT

    The MAGA-sphere has been increasingly anti-Israel over the last fortnight, and has apparently eclipsed Netanyahu’s influence over Trump.

    Bizarrely this actually gives Trump a win. Invading Lebanon looks like a big mistake now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2045144206247645578

    Keir Starmer says the UK will lead a defensive military mission with France to protect shipping in the Strait of Hormuz

    What are we defending when it's open?

    Cringe.
    Needs minesweeping I think ? But yes war's over.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,234
    edited April 17
    MaxPB said:

    MelonB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    The US and Iran are in talks over a possible deal in which Washington would release about $20 billion in frozen Iranian funds in exchange for Iran giving up its enriched uranium stockpile, Axios reports.

    Perhaps this is one of those moments when two antagonists need to come to blows properly in order to reach a proper accommodation. Both sides realise they can’t get what they originally wanted. It doesn’t happen often, but occasionally it does: the Korean War, arguably. The Northern Irish troubles. FARC in Colombia.

    If we end up with Iran getting essentially the same deal they had from Obama all those years ago, then yes what a waste of blood and treasure in the meantime, but that’s better than some of the alternatives.

    The best outcome would have been a rapid collapse of the regime in the early days of the war. It would still have been reckless by Trump, but his gamble would have paid off. Israel would not then have had the excuse to start carpet bombing civilians in Lebanon. But that didn’t happen so we are where we are.
    I guess we should be cautious. The deal isn't done yet. It would be a surprise if Iran gave up its enriched uranium that easily - we all assumed they'd be desperate to build a bomb to prevent a repeat attack.

    But perhaps MaxPB was right yesterday when he said that the US blockade was putting severe pressure on the Iranian regime. It could have left Iran in a corner with nowhere to go.
    As I said last night it does seem that Iran has been flummoxed by the blockade because their foreign currency income has overnight dropped to zero which leaves them with little to no room to pay for essential imports. Worse still is that it even leaves the regime without the ability to pay the soldiers which is how they maintain control over the people who hate them.

    If Trump had done this three or four weeks ago after the first round of assassinations didn't produce regime change we could have saved a lot of bother.
    As I said it would and advised doing a week or two before it happened.

    Chinese oil tanker fans please explain.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,234

    Johnson survived Partygate.

    Boris also survived overriding security concerns to create the KGB-adjacent Lord Lebedev.
    I suspect we are on dangerous ground when considering Johnson to be the benchmark.

    No, none of this is as bad as the capers Johnson got up to but Starmer was supposed to be above all that. The lame excuses however are at Johnsonian levels of bullshit.

    Starmer may not be "technically" lying but he is dancing on the head of a pin. EVERYONE knows Starmer rubber stamped Ambassador Mandelson. It blew up in his face.
    How the **** is appointing a security risk who failed his vetting due to China as ambassador to the USA, somehow less serious than eating some cake.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,473
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "Iran has agreed to never close the Strait of Hormuz again. It will no longer be used as a weapon against the World! President DONALD J. TRUMP"

    That senile old dolt is going to continue to trip up...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,521
    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "The Failing NYT, FAKE NEWS CNN, & others, just don’t know what to do. They are desperately looking for a reason to criticize President Donald Trump on the Iran situation, but just can’t find it. Why don’t they just say, JOB WELL DONE, MR. PRESIDENT, & start to gain back their credibility???"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    Scott_xP said:

    Called it.

    Don has had enough of Israel.

    Trump says Israel ‘prohibited’ from bombing Lebanon

    How does Bibi feel about that?
    Oh the Litani of trust!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    Oh, well! So ends the most pointless war in history! :lol:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    NEW THREAD

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,816
    edited April 17

    Johnson survived Partygate.

    Boris also survived overriding security concerns to create the KGB-adjacent Lord Lebedev.
    I suspect we are on dangerous ground when considering Johnson to be the benchmark.

    No, none of this is as bad as the capers Johnson got up to but Starmer was supposed to be above all that. The lame excuses however are at Johnsonian levels of bullshit.

    Starmer may not be "technically" lying but he is dancing on the head of a pin. EVERYONE knows Starmer rubber stamped Ambassador Mandelson. It blew up in his face.
    How the **** is appointing a security risk who failed his vetting due to China as ambassador to the USA, somehow less serious than eating some cake.
    "Boris was ambushed by a cake" is the most egregious lie of the last Parliament and there were loads. Both you and the halfwits who have liked your post need to be ashamed of yourselves. You will tell me next that Liz Truss didn't crash the economy. Back to Johnson, let's start with lying to the Queen and proroguing Parliament on that lie, and let's consider Lebedev being installed in the HoL. Maybe Pincher, but that was fairly minor by comparison to the others I have mentioned.

    I wasn't even defending Starmer.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,923
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: "The Failing NYT, FAKE NEWS CNN, & others, just don’t know what to do. They are desperately looking for a reason to criticize President Donald Trump on the Iran situation, but just can’t find it. Why don’t they just say, JOB WELL DONE, MR. PRESIDENT, & start to gain back their credibility???"

    If you look at the costs and benefits the JCPOA and no war is clearly better than what Trump has "achieved". He's the arsonist wanting credit for extinguishing the fire.

    I expect that Iran, and China, will be the winners of all this in the long term.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,163
    carnforth said:

    For people who don't want to be working Royals, they do seem to enjoy pretending they still are:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c625dd1zjy3o

    "Harry and Meghan meet Bondi shooting survivors"

    Pam Bondi has shot someone?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,450
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2045139907664916808

    The U.S.A. will get all Nuclear "Dust," created by our great B2 Bombers - No money will exchange hands in any way, shape, or form. This deal is in no way subject to Lebanon, either, but the USA will, separately, work with Lebanon, and deal with the Hezboolah situation in an appropriate manner. Israel will not be bombing Lebanon any longer. They are PROHIBITED from doing so by the U.S.A. Enough is enough!!! Thank you! President DJT

    Translation: Iran will get $20bn, but has agreed to say nothing about it.
    It’s not changing hands. They are just changing two numbers in a spreadsheet
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    I mean, seriously, would you work for this man? So many of those who chose to have been thrown under @TSE's bus. Its never his fault. Someone else, possibly you if you were so foolish, will take the blame. It's the way he works.
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