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  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    First. Boom Boom
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    I suppose it was bound to happen at least once.
  • All I can say about Rudakabana is REDACTED, and I imagine every journalist on Fleet Street is in the same position
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332
  • On topic this is one rare moment when I agree with Skyr. How can anyone sane go along with Donald’s latest demented idea when he’s still on about seizing Greenland. Ridic
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 22,100
    FPT (missed the new thread):

    I've decided to join the Greens after the local elections (not being held in my area), unless those elections prompt a major rethink. That's after over 50 years in Labour and 13 in Parliament as a Labour MP, Like you [Maxh], I'm sceptical about aspects of Green policy but they have a positive, fairly consistent approach, which contrasts with the negative and erratic approach of the traditional parties. The parting has been amicable (I handed over the post of CLP Chair earlier this year) and I'm not interested in slagging anyone off, but a stronger Green voice in Parliament seems to me very desirable. Like you I expect any Green government to be unhelpful personally but better for the country and the future.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    Ukraine seems to be developing some serious launch capability.

    Ukraine says its intelligence directorate carried out two rocket launches into space during wartime, including one reaching 204 kilometers above Earth.

    Officials also disclosed what they described as Europe’s first launch of a rocket carrier from a transport aircraft at 8,000 meters altitude, marking a rare aerospace development revealed during active combat operations.

    https://x.com/DylanMalyasov/status/2043616707160281573
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547
    Nigelb said:

    Ukraine seems to be developing some serious launch capability.

    Ukraine says its intelligence directorate carried out two rocket launches into space during wartime, including one reaching 204 kilometers above Earth.

    Officials also disclosed what they described as Europe’s first launch of a rocket carrier from a transport aircraft at 8,000 meters altitude, marking a rare aerospace development revealed during active combat operations.

    https://x.com/DylanMalyasov/status/2043616707160281573

    Hmmm.

    Solid fuel, 2 stages.

    Yes, children, it's a baby ICBM.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,430
    Even if the cause was in principle a good one, anyone going in to bat with Trump as a partner will know that they have no idea what fresh hells they are letting themselves in for, and would be certain that getting out will be a great deal harder than getting involved in the first place.

    But to get involved in a military action on the same side as a USA which has repeatedly offered war crimes as a next step is so crazy that even 51% of Reform supporters can see, however dimly, that it may not be a good idea.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    FPT (missed the new thread):

    I've decided to join the Greens after the local elections (not being held in my area), unless those elections prompt a major rethink. That's after over 50 years in Labour and 13 in Parliament as a Labour MP, Like you [Maxh], I'm sceptical about aspects of Green policy but they have a positive, fairly consistent approach, which contrasts with the negative and erratic approach of the traditional parties. The parting has been amicable (I handed over the post of CLP Chair earlier this year) and I'm not interested in slagging anyone off, but a stronger Green voice in Parliament seems to me very desirable. Like you I expect any Green government to be unhelpful personally but better for the country and the future.

    Well, I hope they live up to your optimistic hopes. Given how much parties change over time honestly I think it is a little unusual how many people stay voting for the same label their entire adult lives, we should see more long term supporters do a rethink.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    He could have said he thought it was a depiction of the healing power of the royal touch.
  • kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    Trump due to speak soon, apparently.

    Brace brace

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2043728539590005187?s=61
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 13
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    In fairness it is RpsAgainstTrump, who I would not trust to report his exact words without verification from another source unless there's video in their original tweet.

    Edit: Mostly right, and clearly not a joke. The final bit is more in keeping with his style.

    "It's supposed to me as a doctor, making people better - and I do make people better, I make people a lot better.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689

    Nigelb said:

    Ukraine seems to be developing some serious launch capability.

    Ukraine says its intelligence directorate carried out two rocket launches into space during wartime, including one reaching 204 kilometers above Earth.

    Officials also disclosed what they described as Europe’s first launch of a rocket carrier from a transport aircraft at 8,000 meters altitude, marking a rare aerospace development revealed during active combat operations.

    https://x.com/DylanMalyasov/status/2043616707160281573

    Hmmm.

    Solid fuel, 2 stages.

    Yes, children, it's a baby ICBM.
    A baby ICBM, heading for the Shahed drone factory one day soon.
  • kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    In fairness it is RpsAgainstTrump, who I would not trust to report his exact words without verification from another source.
    Yes. That was my hesitant thought, as well
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    This was just a think tank - but sponsored by the Foreign Ministry of S Korea.

    Korea must take lead in deepening trilateral ties with China, Japan amid global crisis

    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/southkorea/politics/20260413/korea-must-take-lead-in-deepening-trilateral-ties-with-china-japan-amid-global-crisis
    As the European Union took shape, the need to similarly boost trilateral cooperation among South Korea, China and Japan emerged, alongside economic development in the region. On that basis, the three neighbors have expanded cooperation in the 2010s, holding multiple trilateral summits and seeking economic cooperation. However, amid global turmoil, territorial disputes and the COVID-19 pandemic, the relations have deteriorated.

    In particular, recent territorial disputes between China and Japan over Taiwan since last November, have made it harder for South Korea, as a so-called pivot country, to mediate the two nations. Also, the diplomatic tasks created by the United States-Israel war with Iran and economic challenges put South Korea to a test amid collapsing unipolar system led by the U.S.

    At a roundtable hosted by The Korea Times on April 8 and moderated by Hahm Sung-deuk, dean of Graduate School of Political Studies at Kyonggi University, experts in diplomacy gathered to discuss the event’s theme, “Trilateral Cooperation in an Era of Global Upheaval; How to Strengthen Trilateral Cooperation (Korea–China–Japan) in an Era of Global Upheaval?,” and highlighted the importance of South Korea-led initiative for trilateral cooperation and setting a vision for the region to tackle the current global crisis through regular talks and cooperation while exploring ways to materialize the cooperation...


    Potentially a large loss of influence for the US in the region.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    More to the point, he thinks we are.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    edited April 13
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    In fairness it is RpsAgainstTrump, who I would not trust to report his exact words without verification from another source.
    Yes. That was my hesitant thought, as well
    There's a video with it. The text is, if anything, generous to him.

    "It wasn't a picture.."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 13
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    In fairness it is RpsAgainstTrump, who I would not trust to report his exact words without verification from another source.
    Yes. That was my hesitant thought, as well
    It's mostly right, and clearly not a joke. The final bit is more in keeping with his style.

    "It's supposed to me as a doctor, making people better - and I do make people better, I make people a lot better.

    In any case the mere fact he removed it shows he knows what it depicted - if he thought it just showed him as a doctor he'd have kept it up.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,140
    edited April 13
    Cancelled
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    Nigelb said:

    Ukraine seems to be developing some serious launch capability.

    Ukraine says its intelligence directorate carried out two rocket launches into space during wartime, including one reaching 204 kilometers above Earth.

    Officials also disclosed what they described as Europe’s first launch of a rocket carrier from a transport aircraft at 8,000 meters altitude, marking a rare aerospace development revealed during active combat operations.

    https://x.com/DylanMalyasov/status/2043616707160281573

    Hmmm.

    Solid fuel, 2 stages.

    Yes, children, it's a baby ICBM.
    Mazel Tov!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    In fairness it is RpsAgainstTrump, who I would not trust to report his exact words without verification from another source unless there's video in their original tweet.

    Edit: Mostly right, and clearly not a joke. The final bit is more in keeping with his style.

    "It's supposed to me as a doctor, making people better - and I do make people better, I make people a lot better.
    There’s a video in that tweet.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    More to the point, he thinks we are.
    He's been elected President twice and has tripled his wealth in the last 18 months, as well as being immune from criminal sanctions thanks to how much support he has - why wouldn't he think that?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    He’s managed to piss off a lot of Chrstian supporters among his own base with that.

    Silly thing to do.

    One example: https://x.com/libbyemmons/status/2043698019774718274

    “No, Mr. President, you are not Jesus. You cannot perform miracles. You are an elected leader in service to the people and you are not God.

    “Glad he deleted.”

    It was originally posted by someone a couple of months ago, with the caption “President Trump is healing this nation”.

    https://x.com/lindangle74/status/2043698515931492487
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,873
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    When's the cutoff that gives JDV the chance of ten years in office instead of six?

    (Not that I think he would. Whatever Vance's talents, building a followership that cheer him on even when he behaves appallingly isn't one of them.)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,140
    Starmer Speaking For the Nation

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u6WZCvBkbo
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    Sandpit said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    He’s managed to piss off a lot of Chrstian supporters among his own base with that.

    Silly thing to do.

    One example: https://x.com/libbyemmons/status/2043698019774718274

    “No, Mr. President, you are not Jesus. You cannot perform miracles. You are an elected leader in service to the people and you are not God.

    “Glad he deleted.”

    It was originally posted by someone a couple of months ago, with the caption “President Trump is healing this nation”.

    https://x.com/lindangle74/status/2043698515931492487
    Glad they found some kind of line, not that they'd go anywhere.

    Trump very very rarely rows back his comments, that he did so for once proves the accusations are correct.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398
    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    More to the point, he thinks we are.
    He's been elected President twice and has tripled his wealth in the last 18 months, as well as being immune from criminal sanctions thanks to how much support he has - why wouldn't he think that?
    Maybe he's made enough/had enough and is thinking "They will have to 25th me NOW, surely? I mean, what more do they want me to say?"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    FPT (missed the new thread):

    I've decided to join the Greens after the local elections (not being held in my area), unless those elections prompt a major rethink. That's after over 50 years in Labour and 13 in Parliament as a Labour MP, Like you [Maxh], I'm sceptical about aspects of Green policy but they have a positive, fairly consistent approach, which contrasts with the negative and erratic approach of the traditional parties. The parting has been amicable (I handed over the post of CLP Chair earlier this year) and I'm not interested in slagging anyone off, but a stronger Green voice in Parliament seems to me very desirable. Like you I expect any Green government to be unhelpful personally but better for the country and the future.

    In my neck of the woods the Lib Dem canvassers are observing that they are leaking quite a few voters to the Greens.

    A reminder whilst Corbyn wasn’t popular Corbyn’s policies are.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    FPT (missed the new thread):

    I've decided to join the Greens after the local elections (not being held in my area), unless those elections prompt a major rethink. That's after over 50 years in Labour and 13 in Parliament as a Labour MP, Like you [Maxh], I'm sceptical about aspects of Green policy but they have a positive, fairly consistent approach, which contrasts with the negative and erratic approach of the traditional parties. The parting has been amicable (I handed over the post of CLP Chair earlier this year) and I'm not interested in slagging anyone off, but a stronger Green voice in Parliament seems to me very desirable. Like you I expect any Green government to be unhelpful personally but better for the country and the future.

    In my neck of the woods the Lib Dem canvassers are observing that they are leaking quite a few voters to the Greens.

    A reminder whilst Corbyn wasn’t popular Corbyn’s policies are.
    Also just the simple fact of 'default opposition' vote in some areas goes LD, and if the Greens are new on the scene and more exciting they will pick that up vote too even without much ideological reasoning.

    One of those things I don't really get to be honest - I've seen Greens work really hard for years for no reward, and now despite not really changing in the slightest suddenly they are pushing against an open door with the public and people are reacting like it is really fresh talk.

    Just goes to show the importance of timing even over the content of what you say.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    Note the Red Cross budget was cut by around 17% thanks to Trump's aid cuts.
  • Based on the recent focus groups, I do think there’s genuinely a reset moment here for Sir Keir.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,659

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    Trump adding. blasphemy to his other sins and crimes including treason and gross corruption.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,225

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    When's the cutoff that gives JDV the chance of ten years in office instead of six?

    (Not that I think he would. Whatever Vance's talents, building a followership that cheer him on even when he behaves appallingly isn't one of them.)
    It would be towards the end of next January. But he'd need to be more popular than Trump if Trump were able to contest it (i.e. not in a coma). And obviously we're only in the position we're in because Trump is uniquely popular with GOP voters, thus cowing other GOP politicians.

    So the 25th looks like a complete non-starter.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    edited April 13

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    When's the cutoff that gives JDV the chance of ten years in office instead of six?

    (Not that I think he would. Whatever Vance's talents, building a followership that cheer him on even when he behaves appallingly isn't one of them.)
    It would be towards the end of next January. But he'd need to be more popular than Trump if Trump were able to contest it (i.e. not in a coma). And obviously we're only in the position we're in because Trump is uniquely popular with GOP voters, thus cowing other GOP politicians.

    So the 25th looks like a complete non-starter.
    He just lost 20 points approval rating with white non-college males.
    That is his base.

    Whether Vance has the guts to try is another matter.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,922
    edited April 13

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    When's the cutoff that gives JDV the chance of ten years in office instead of six?

    (Not that I think he would. Whatever Vance's talents, building a followership that cheer him on even when he behaves appallingly isn't one of them.)
    The Twenty-Second Amendment says

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    So as the inaugaration is on January 20 2029 that means January 21 2027 is the first day Vance has the possibility of 10 years
  • Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    When's the cutoff that gives JDV the chance of ten years in office instead of six?

    (Not that I think he would. Whatever Vance's talents, building a followership that cheer him on even when he behaves appallingly isn't one of them.)
    The cut-off is the second anniversary of Trump's inauguration, so 20th January 2027. If he became President before that date, he'd only be able to seek election once. After it, he could go for up to two terms plus the remainder of Trump's second term.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    He did, pretty much verbatim as shown on BBC news.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 916
    FF43 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    Trump adding. blasphemy to his other sins and crimes including treason and gross corruption.
    Onwards Christian soldier.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,287
    edited April 13
    This is an extremely ugly poll. That such large numbers of people on the right think blockading 25% of the world’s hydrocarbons is a good idea speaks to a kind of partisanship that I thought was beneath the UK. Even most Conservatives, who by self-selection should really be sane enough to draw a line.

    Not only stupid, but also about to be utterly humiliated by the Chinese when they simply waltz through.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    He could have said he thought it was a depiction of the healing power of the royal touch.
    He ain’t royal bro, unless it’s a venereal disease transmitted through a ‘partner’ in common with Andrew MW.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    Eabhal said:

    This is an extremely ugly poll. That such large numbers of people on the right think blockading 25% of the world’s hydrocarbons is a good idea speaks to a kind of partisanship that I thought was beneath the UK. Even some Conservatives, who by self-selection should really be sane enough to draw a line.

    Not only stupid, but also about to be utterly humiliated by the Chinese when they simply waltz through.

    The appetite for economic self-harm is extraordinary, too.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398
    edited April 13
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    When's the cutoff that gives JDV the chance of ten years in office instead of six?

    (Not that I think he would. Whatever Vance's talents, building a followership that cheer him on even when he behaves appallingly isn't one of them.)
    The Twenty-Second Amendment says

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    So as the inaugaration is on January 20 2029 that means January 21 2027 is the first day Vance has the possibility of 10 years
    Set against that, Vance may calculate that Trump is destroying any chance of his taking over in 2028. So get him 25th'd asap - and have a period as 48 at least.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 13

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    When's the cutoff that gives JDV the chance of ten years in office instead of six?

    (Not that I think he would. Whatever Vance's talents, building a followership that cheer him on even when he behaves appallingly isn't one of them.)
    The Twenty-Second Amendment says

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    So as the inaugaration is on January 20 2029 that means January 21 2027 is the first day Vance has the possibility of 10 years
    Set against that, Vance may calculate that Trump is destroying any chance of his taking over in 2028. So get him 25th asap - and have a period as 48 at least.
    It'll never happen. It's what got rid of all the vaguely Trump-skeptical Republicans in the first place, that if they made an actual move against him they'd lose.

    He will probably not win at the next election thanks to Trump, but he'll definitely lose if he takes out Trump. So on they go, hoping they get lucky.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,873
    Eabhal said:

    This is an extremely ugly poll. That such large numbers of people on the right think blockading 25% of the world’s hydrocarbons is a good idea speaks to a kind of partisanship that I thought was beneath the UK. Even most Conservatives, who by self-selection should really be sane enough to draw a line.

    Not only stupid, but also about to be utterly humiliated by the Chinese when they simply waltz through.

    Presumably suffering from a similar delusion to President Mental Slump- that sending a gunboat or two to enforce our own blockade will cause those silly Iranians to run away quickly with their tails between their legs.

    Most disasters in all sorts of fields boil down to underestimating, or flat-out ignoring, the extent to which your opposite number can retaliate.
  • Eabhal said:

    This is an extremely ugly poll. That such large numbers of people on the right think blockading 25% of the world’s hydrocarbons is a good idea speaks to a kind of partisanship that I thought was beneath the UK. Even most Conservatives, who by self-selection should really be sane enough to draw a line.

    Not only stupid, but also about to be utterly humiliated by the Chinese when they simply waltz through.

    Reform voters do whatever Trump says. Bizarre.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689
    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    This bloke is dumber than a box of frogs.

    Q: Did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus?

    Trump: I did post it and I thought it was me as a doctor. And had to do with red cross as a red cross worker


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2043733050341589332

    What an odd lie. Putting myself in his shoes I'd have just said yes I did, but whilst I am greatest president there ever was, many people are saying that, Jesus is something else, if I knew him we'd be great friends. Etc etc. Fox would lap it up.

    Instead he's claiming to be stupid to get out of it, which is very unlike him. Since if he took it down he cannot push back and say it was unreasonable people thought it depicted him as Jesus.
    Did he really say this? And not as a joke?? (He does - or did - have a good sense of humour with a touch of surrealism)

    If he said this sincerely it is more evidence he is in rapid cognitive decline. I can see Vance taking power this year
    When's the cutoff that gives JDV the chance of ten years in office instead of six?

    (Not that I think he would. Whatever Vance's talents, building a followership that cheer him on even when he behaves appallingly isn't one of them.)
    The Twenty-Second Amendment says

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

    So as the inaugaration is on January 20 2029 that means January 21 2027 is the first day Vance has the possibility of 10 years
    Set against that, Vance may calculate that Trump is destroying any chance of his taking over in 2028. So get him 25th asap - and have a period as 48 at least.
    It'll never happen. It's what got rid of all the vaguely Trump-skeptical Republicans in the first place, that if they made an actual move against him they'd lose.

    He will probably not win at the next election thanks to Trump, but he'll definitely lose if he takes out Trump. So on they go, hoping they get lucky.
    Republican polling has Vance as the clear favourite, getting close to 50% support among respondents and more than double Rubio’s support in 2nd place.

    https://www.270towin.com/2028-republican-nomination/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547
    Best summation of the Middle East war -


  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,287

    Eabhal said:

    This is an extremely ugly poll. That such large numbers of people on the right think blockading 25% of the world’s hydrocarbons is a good idea speaks to a kind of partisanship that I thought was beneath the UK. Even most Conservatives, who by self-selection should really be sane enough to draw a line.

    Not only stupid, but also about to be utterly humiliated by the Chinese when they simply waltz through.

    Presumably suffering from a similar delusion to President Mental Slump- that sending a gunboat or two to enforce our own blockade will cause those silly Iranians to run away quickly with their tails between their legs.

    Most disasters in all sorts of fields boil down to underestimating, or flat-out ignoring, the extent to which your opposite number can retaliate.
    Boils down to a misapprehension or frustration of the impotence of a nation state. Some things can’t be swerved, like bond markets and sea mines.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    LOL

    It will be pride flags and Palestine flags at the town hall next.


    ‘ EXCLUSIVE: Reform-led Leicestershire County Council is planning to roll out a county-wide scheme to impose 20 mph speed limits across much of the county, a move that a council source has described to me as "ludicrous."

    A council source within the Reform administration has revealed plans to create hundreds of 20 mph speed zones across Leicestershire, following a pilot scheme in Ashby town centre that cost more than £9,000 to implement, according to a Freedom of Information (FOI) request I have seen.

    I have been told by a source at Reform Party HQ that Dan Harrison has been given permission to proceed as he sees fit in Leicestershire, provided he retains the backing of his Reform group of councillors. However, a second Reform source has disclosed that six group councillors have already voiced strong opposition to the "ludicrous" plans.

    One council source warned that implementing these proposals could cost hundreds of thousands of pounds — money the council does not have. It is understood that planning for the project will begin in the coming weeks, if Dan Harrison survives a vote on his leadership of the council on 13th May’


    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/2043732339646247212?s=61
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,446
    Eabhal said:

    This is an extremely ugly poll. That such large numbers of people on the right think blockading 25% of the world’s hydrocarbons is a good idea speaks to a kind of partisanship that I thought was beneath the UK. Even most Conservatives, who by self-selection should really be sane enough to draw a line.

    Not only stupid, but also about to be utterly humiliated by the Chinese when they simply waltz through.

    It amazes me that any non-American thinks rowing in behind Mr Trump is a good idea.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,877
    TSE - Not all frogs are dumb. For example, this one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_the_Frog ,
    definitely seems smarter than the Loser. (And nicer, but that's easier to do.)
  • I do live in an exceptionally lovely corner of London. I feed the world. Coming home from abroad via Regent’s Park and seeing the stucco of the Nash Terraces, framed by cream and blushing blossom. Wow

    I hope that lifts the spirits of any depressed PBers
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,464

    FPT (missed the new thread):

    I've decided to join the Greens after the local elections (not being held in my area), unless those elections prompt a major rethink. That's after over 50 years in Labour and 13 in Parliament as a Labour MP, Like you [Maxh], I'm sceptical about aspects of Green policy but they have a positive, fairly consistent approach, which contrasts with the negative and erratic approach of the traditional parties. The parting has been amicable (I handed over the post of CLP Chair earlier this year) and I'm not interested in slagging anyone off, but a stronger Green voice in Parliament seems to me very desirable. Like you I expect any Green government to be unhelpful personally but better for the country and the future.

    A bunch of Trots riddled with antisemites who no longer give a toss about the environment.

    Good luck!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    I’m not religious but I’m really warming to Pope Leo .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans voted for Trump .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    nico67 said:

    I’m not religious but I’m really warming to Pope Leo .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans voted for Trump .

    Trump's picks on SCOTUS have rolled back abortion in so many ways, especially in the Red States, that's why hey love him.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,231
    edited April 13
    Leon said:

    On topic this is one rare moment when I agree with Skyr. How can anyone sane go along with Donald’s latest demented idea when he’s still on about seizing Greenland. Ridic

    It is actually a very sensible idea, non-violent and aimed at speeding negotiations to re-open the Strait.

    Starmer won't do it because it would upset China, aka the gaffer.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
    edited April 13
    Speaking of frogs, this is a bit sad - not the Tele being a cesspit of idiocy but Tibor Fischer jumping in the cesspit. I remember greatly enjoying his debut Under The Frog, full of mordant Osteuropa wit as I recall.

    https://x.com/williamnhutton/status/2043683182256464027?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Edit: the title is is taken from a Hungarian expression, "a béka segge alatt" used to describe any situation when things can't seem to get any worse: "under a frog's arse, down a coalmine".
    A good fit for our times.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    nico67 said:

    I’m not religious but I’m really warming to Pope Leo .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans voted for Trump .

    Getting Roe vs Wade repealed through the luck of getting the SC picks during his term means he can do no wrong.

    Though many loved him even long before then of course.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Prophecy
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323

    nico67 said:

    I’m not religious but I’m really warming to Pope Leo .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans voted for Trump .

    Trump's picks on SCOTUS have rolled back abortion in so many ways, especially in the Red States, that's why hey love him.
    Yes they seemed to be willing to ignore his vile character but I call them religious frauds . Supporting a man without an ounce of humanity or empathy . I don’t want to sound too melodramatic but he is pure evil.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398
    edited April 13
    nico67 said:

    I’m not religious but I’m really warming to Pope Leo .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans voted for Trump .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans claim to read the Bible but have small-minded racist/homophobic/misogynistic views that would leave Jesus speechless.

    They'd be wise to revisit their hope for a second coming. He might just return with his smiting stick...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    I didn't realise apparently it was Meloni not Orban who was Trump's 'best friend in Europe', as linked to from this current story about her criticising Trump attacking the Pope.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp841y07w5xo
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct714t

    I'm going to assume it's because Meloni is good looking.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,231
    Eabhal said:

    This is an extremely ugly poll. That such large numbers of people on the right think blockading 25% of the world’s hydrocarbons is a good idea speaks to a kind of partisanship that I thought was beneath the UK. Even most Conservatives, who by self-selection should really be sane enough to draw a line.

    Not only stupid, but also about to be utterly humiliated by the Chinese when they simply waltz through.

    Speaking of partisanship, your heightened emotion about what is simply equalling the terms of engagement is peculiar. You didn't show a fraction of this temper when bombs were raining down on Iran and people were being blown up, but stop China getting some oil and you're livid.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    nico67 said:

    I’m not religious but I’m really warming to Pope Leo .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans voted for Trump .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans claim to read the Bible but have small-minded racist/homophobic/misogynistic views that would leave Jesus speechless.

    They'd be wise to revisit their hope for a second coming. He might just return with his smiting stick...
    Love the man, hate the message.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,520
    @maddow.bsky.social‬

    Normal stuff here, very normal:

    "As the president threatens to wipe out Iran and attacks the pope, even some former allies and advisers are questioning whether he has grown increasingly unbalanced, describing him as 'lunatic' and 'clearly insane'..."

    https://bsky.app/profile/maddow.bsky.social/post/3mjfgzec2kk2p
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Scott_xP said:

    @maddow.bsky.social‬

    Normal stuff here, very normal:

    "As the president threatens to wipe out Iran and attacks the pope, even some former allies and advisers are questioning whether he has grown increasingly unbalanced, describing him as 'lunatic' and 'clearly insane'..."

    https://bsky.app/profile/maddow.bsky.social/post/3mjfgzec2kk2p



    Don't forget Cuba is next:

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    1h
    Trump: We're gonna do this [Iran] and we may stop by Cuba after we're finished with this."

    https://tracking.tldrnewsletter.com/CL0/https://links.tldrnewsletter.com/bNEOzr/1/0100019d8672c12e-09c7e397-a1a2-4692-860d-d8227b7476c5-000000/CIe7kKZcyqJKWA3HErshU-7vkfFMkCo7GuT0PKfEogc=452
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    Andrew and Peter Mandelson ‘may not get jury trial’ under Labour reforms

    If the men are charged with misconduct in public office and the government plans go ahead, they may only face a judge, a senior lawyer has predicted


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-peter-mandelson-jury-trial-news-03vb6xxjv
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    Scott_xP said:

    @maddow.bsky.social‬

    Normal stuff here, very normal:

    "As the president threatens to wipe out Iran and attacks the pope, even some former allies and advisers are questioning whether he has grown increasingly unbalanced, describing him as 'lunatic' and 'clearly insane'..."

    https://bsky.app/profile/maddow.bsky.social/post/3mjfgzec2kk2p



    Don't forget Cuba is next:

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    1h
    Trump: We're gonna do this [Iran] and we may stop by Cuba after we're finished with this."

    https://tracking.tldrnewsletter.com/CL0/https://links.tldrnewsletter.com/bNEOzr/1/0100019d8672c12e-09c7e397-a1a2-4692-860d-d8227b7476c5-000000/CIe7kKZcyqJKWA3HErshU-7vkfFMkCo7GuT0PKfEogc=452
    Can Fifa take back a Peace Prize?

    Why is that even a real question that can be asked?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    Andrew and Peter Mandelson ‘may not get jury trial’ under Labour reforms

    If the men are charged with misconduct in public office and the government plans go ahead, they may only face a judge, a senior lawyer has predicted


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-peter-mandelson-jury-trial-news-03vb6xxjv

    Frankly that may be to their advantage. It'd be hard to find a jury not inclined to convict on their guilty faces alone.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    Well, he thought he did know what the answer would be. He was wrong, though I still put the blame on us, not him for that, he didn't invent the sentiment.
  • Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    Remember that utter crap that she backed Brexit
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Leon said:

    I do live in an exceptionally lovely corner of London. I feed the world. Coming home from abroad via Regent’s Park and seeing the stucco of the Nash Terraces, framed by cream and blushing blossom. Wow

    I hope that lifts the spirits of any depressed PBers

    And still light at 8 oclock.

  • eekeek Posts: 33,922

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    And yet you think Osborne was a good politican. Remember the only reason a referendum was offered was because Cameron thought there would be another coalition and it could be scrapped as part of the deal - then Osborne (accidently) won a small majority.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,287

    Eabhal said:

    This is an extremely ugly poll. That such large numbers of people on the right think blockading 25% of the world’s hydrocarbons is a good idea speaks to a kind of partisanship that I thought was beneath the UK. Even most Conservatives, who by self-selection should really be sane enough to draw a line.

    Not only stupid, but also about to be utterly humiliated by the Chinese when they simply waltz through.

    Speaking of partisanship, your heightened emotion about what is simply equalling the terms of engagement is peculiar. You didn't show a fraction of this temper when bombs were raining down on Iran and people were being blown up, but stop China getting some oil and you're livid.
    Not at all. This blockade is the best thing that’s happened for renewables in decades. Hopefully we’ll be able to extract Agent Trump, we’ve sent Thunberg over to Florida to pick him up in her yacht.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    eek said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    And yet you think Osborne was a good politican. Remember the only reason a referendum was offered was because Cameron thought there would be another coalition and it could be scrapped as part of the deal - then Osborne (accidently) won a small majority.
    George was never in favour of holding the referendum.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,464

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    Her EU flag hat was a bit of a giveaway.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    What is the crime rate in the Vatican?

  • eekeek Posts: 33,922

    eek said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    And yet you think Osborne was a good politican. Remember the only reason a referendum was offered was because Cameron thought there would be another coalition and it could be scrapped as part of the deal - then Osborne (accidently) won a small majority.
    George was never in favour of holding the referendum.
    And yet he allowed it in the manifesto - and then focussed on winning Lib Dem seats..
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    kle4 said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    Well, he thought he did know what the answer would be. He was wrong, though I still put the blame on us, not him for that, he didn't invent the sentiment.
    His mistake was backing Remain instead of staying aloof.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380

    eek said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    And yet you think Osborne was a good politican. Remember the only reason a referendum was offered was because Cameron thought there would be another coalition and it could be scrapped as part of the deal - then Osborne (accidently) won a small majority.
    George was never in favour of holding the referendum.
    He told Cameron it was a "crazy" idea iirc.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588

    FPT (missed the new thread):

    I've decided to join the Greens after the local elections (not being held in my area), unless those elections prompt a major rethink. That's after over 50 years in Labour and 13 in Parliament as a Labour MP, Like you [Maxh], I'm sceptical about aspects of Green policy but they have a positive, fairly consistent approach, which contrasts with the negative and erratic approach of the traditional parties. The parting has been amicable (I handed over the post of CLP Chair earlier this year) and I'm not interested in slagging anyone off, but a stronger Green voice in Parliament seems to me very desirable. Like you I expect any Green government to be unhelpful personally but better for the country and the future.

    In my neck of the woods the Lib Dem canvassers are observing that they are leaking quite a few voters to the Greens.

    A reminder whilst Corbyn wasn’t popular Corbyn’s policies are.
    Or, the Greens are simply a fresher/more interesting NOTA choice.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    I’m not religious but I’m really warming to Pope Leo .

    I still find it astonishing how so many apparently religious Americans voted for Trump .

    Trump's picks on SCOTUS have rolled back abortion in so many ways, especially in the Red States, that's why hey love him.
    Yes they seemed to be willing to ignore his vile character but I call them religious frauds . Supporting a man without an ounce of humanity or empathy . I don’t want to sound too melodramatic but he is pure evil.
    I'm not sure 'fraud' is quite right. Absolutist religous fervour (inc of the Christian variety) is inimical to empathy and compassion. So you'd expect such people to be narrow minded stone hearted zealots.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    What is the crime rate in the Vatican?

    Conviction rate? Probably low. It doesn't reassure me though.

    Edit: In fact AI (always trustworthy) says it is exceeds 100% per person, though it calls it a statistic anomaly. Sure.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    Susan Page clearly wants to sell her book over here.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,200

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    It's an issue that will finally destroy the Tory Party in the next 4 years.

    They will split as under, half to Reform, and the rest to parties on the centre left most likely LD, some Labour

    A small "whig" party may survive.

    The only chance they have is to make one last bid for the centre ground this summer and stop trying to out Reform Reform.

    Following a chat with a longstanding Tory friend in Lichfield at the weekend I'm seeking a bet on Andy Street as a future Tory Leader.

    Plans I'm told are afoot to parachute him in to a Seat in the Midlands that has a sitting Tory MP.

  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146

    eek said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    And yet you think Osborne was a good politican. Remember the only reason a referendum was offered was because Cameron thought there would be another coalition and it could be scrapped as part of the deal - then Osborne (accidently) won a small majority.
    George was never in favour of holding the referendum.
    Given the lib Dems were the first (then mainstream) party to call for an EU referendum, who were the conservatives expecting to be in coalition with who wouldn't have wanted a referendum?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588

    Andrew and Peter Mandelson ‘may not get jury trial’ under Labour reforms

    If the men are charged with misconduct in public office and the government plans go ahead, they may only face a judge, a senior lawyer has predicted


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-peter-mandelson-jury-trial-news-03vb6xxjv

    What is it with Labour and hating public accountability?

    They don't like juries. They don't like parliamentary votes.

    What do they like?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    kle4 said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    Well, he thought he did know what the answer would be. He was wrong, though I still put the blame on us, not him for that, he didn't invent the sentiment.
    His mistake was backing Remain instead of staying aloof.
    I don't buy that if I'm honest, I think it's become the convenient explanation. He wasn't surviving a loss either way, and I don't think him adopting an aloof stance would have moved the dial at all.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 916

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    I'm shocked that Michael Gove was lying.

    Well, not that shocked.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 13

    Andrew and Peter Mandelson ‘may not get jury trial’ under Labour reforms

    If the men are charged with misconduct in public office and the government plans go ahead, they may only face a judge, a senior lawyer has predicted


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-peter-mandelson-jury-trial-news-03vb6xxjv

    What is it with Labour and hating public accountability?

    They don't like juries. They don't like parliamentary votes.

    What do they like?
    Rent controls and union protections.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588

    Leon said:

    On topic this is one rare moment when I agree with Skyr. How can anyone sane go along with Donald’s latest demented idea when he’s still on about seizing Greenland. Ridic

    It is actually a very sensible idea, non-violent and aimed at speeding negotiations to re-open the Strait.

    Starmer won't do it because it would upset China, aka the gaffer.
    All the resistance (all of it) is because people hate and despise Trump, and don't trust him.

    That's it.

    If it were Biden or Obama doing it, which is perfectly possible under an alternative scenario, we wouldn't hear half as much criticism.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547

    eek said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    And yet you think Osborne was a good politican. Remember the only reason a referendum was offered was because Cameron thought there would be another coalition and it could be scrapped as part of the deal - then Osborne (accidently) won a small majority.
    George was never in favour of holding the referendum.
    As someone who voted remain, I am always interested in the belief that by putting off a vote and ignoring the issue, it would just go away.

    The sane thing would have been to have a referendum *earlier*.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    Dopermean said:

    eek said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    And yet you think Osborne was a good politican. Remember the only reason a referendum was offered was because Cameron thought there would be another coalition and it could be scrapped as part of the deal - then Osborne (accidently) won a small majority.
    George was never in favour of holding the referendum.
    Given the lib Dems were the first (then mainstream) party to call for an EU referendum, who were the conservatives expecting to be in coalition with who wouldn't have wanted a referendum?
    By that time the LDs were against one, I assume.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Queen Elizabeth II ‘dismayed’ by Brexit referendum, book claims

    David Cameron should not have called the vote on leaving the EU, the late monarch is said to have told Barack Obama


    Queen Elizabeth was “dismayed” about David Cameron’s handling of Brexit and confided in Barack Obama about her concerns over calling a referendum, according to a book.

    The late Queen, who as monarch could not take a public stance on the issue, is said to have made her views known to the US president over lunch during his visit to Windsor Castle in April 2016.

    The claims are made in a book, The Queen and Her Presidents: The Hidden Hand That Shaped History, by the American journalist Susan Page.

    Obama, who was interviewed for the book about the Queen’s relationship with America, said she did not believe that as big a decision as the UK leaving the European Union “should have been decided by plebiscite”.

    Page said the lunch, which took place two months after Cameron called the referendum, was a “very rare royal critique of a prime minister, in public or private”.

    Describing the conversation, Obama said: “She said, effectively, ‘It’s hard to understand why a prime minister, who presumably understands politics, would put a public referendum forward that he didn’t know what the answer would be of such importance.’”


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-david-cameron-brexit-whcsf3dvn

    And yet you think Osborne was a good politican. Remember the only reason a referendum was offered was because Cameron thought there would be another coalition and it could be scrapped as part of the deal - then Osborne (accidently) won a small majority.
    George was never in favour of holding the referendum.
    And yet he allowed it in the manifesto - and then focussed on winning Lib Dem seats..
    Technically that was Sir Lynton Crosby's idea.

    Both Dave & George (like me) thought the Lib Dems would do better than winning 8 seats.

    It was all Jo Swinson's fault, she convinced everybody in Lib Dem held seats the Lib Dem votes would go up.

    In her defence, in her own seat it did.

    There was all those Ashcroft polls showing the Lib Dems holding on outside of North Britain.
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