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  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    Zack dances with gays in bondage gear, and has Islamist policy priorities. A match made in heaven

    There’s no way that this alliance can last, but it would be horrifically intriguing to see how it governed
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    edited April 8
    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,198
    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    This country is weird. Man is investigated by the police but never charged. Events happen decades ago. Man is sacked from his job at the BBC even though he was never charged, let alone convicted. What exactly has Scott Mills done??

    Because Mills likely breached a clause in his contract through his behaviour and the details are confidential. It is not necessary to be convicted of a criminal offence to lose your job through bad behaviour outside work.

    In this case he probably had some form of “don’t bring the BBC into disrepute” clause in his contract and did something that the BBC considered brought them into disrepute. If not then he breached some other clause. He’s entitled to bring a claim if he thinks otherwise.

    It would be an insane world if you could only get fired if you’re conduct is criminal.
    Yes, it is surprising that so many people get surprised by that fact. You see it all the time when a politician is investigated, as people demand criminal levels of proof and get lawyers involved without need for conduct matters, but even where someone was outright acquitted of a crime you could probably still fire them for the conduct involved - someone might not have behaved appropriately even if no laws were broken.
    Thanks both for that. I do understand you can breach contracts in non criminal ways. In this case I am genuinely perplexed by the ‘new information’. That the complainant was u16? The CPS did not press charges and the events happened nearly 30 years ago. We have become a seriously cancel culture country.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239
    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    This country is weird. Man is investigated by the police but never charged. Events happen decades ago. Man is sacked from his job at the BBC even though he was never charged, let alone convicted. What exactly has Scott Mills done??

    Because Mills likely breached a clause in his contract through his behaviour and the details are confidential. It is not necessary to be convicted of a criminal offence to lose your job through bad behaviour outside work.

    In this case he probably had some form of “don’t bring the BBC into disrepute” clause in his contract and did something that the BBC considered brought them into disrepute. If not then he breached some other clause. He’s entitled to bring a claim if he thinks otherwise.

    It would be an insane world if you could only get fired if you’re conduct is criminal.
    Yes, it is surprising that so many people get surprised by that fact. You see it all the time when a politician is investigated, as people demand criminal levels of proof and get lawyers involved without need for conduct matters, but even where someone was outright acquitted of a crime you could probably still fire them for the conduct involved - someone might not have behaved appropriately even if no laws were broken.
    Thanks both for that. I do understand you can breach contracts in non criminal ways. In this case I am genuinely perplexed by the ‘new information’. That the complainant was u16? The CPS did not press charges and the events happened nearly 30 years ago. We have become a seriously cancel culture country.
    My contract of employment says I have to inform my employer immediately if I am ever arrested, failure to do so is gross misconduct, depending on the charges it could become a safeguarding issue, we have some very vulnerable clients, his job involved dealing with under 16s.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    This country is weird. Man is investigated by the police but never charged. Events happen decades ago. Man is sacked from his job at the BBC even though he was never charged, let alone convicted. What exactly has Scott Mills done??

    Because Mills likely breached a clause in his contract through his behaviour and the details are confidential. It is not necessary to be convicted of a criminal offence to lose your job through bad behaviour outside work.

    In this case he probably had some form of “don’t bring the BBC into disrepute” clause in his contract and did something that the BBC considered brought them into disrepute. If not then he breached some other clause. He’s entitled to bring a claim if he thinks otherwise.

    It would be an insane world if you could only get fired if you’re conduct is criminal.
    Yes, it is surprising that so many people get surprised by that fact. You see it all the time when a politician is investigated, as people demand criminal levels of proof and get lawyers involved without need for conduct matters, but even where someone was outright acquitted of a crime you could probably still fire them for the conduct involved - someone might not have behaved appropriately even if no laws were broken.
    Thanks both for that. I do understand you can breach contracts in non criminal ways. In this case I am genuinely perplexed by the ‘new information’. That the complainant was u16? The CPS did not press charges and the events happened nearly 30 years ago. We have become a seriously cancel culture country.
    My contract of employment says I have to inform my employer immediately if I am ever arrested, failure to do so is gross misconduct, depending on the charges it could become a safeguarding issue, we have some very vulnerable clients, his job involved dealing with under 16s.
    Plus, the BBC post-Savile are not going to execise discretion are they? No umming and ahhing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    edited April 8
    When will the vile Karoline Leavitt aka Rosemary be off to have her baby !

    You’ll only get that if you’ve seen the film !
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    Just eight days until I'm on holiday; then I can speak my Marlborough French
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
    Montserrat, since they forgot it was a British territory.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    This country is weird. Man is investigated by the police but never charged. Events happen decades ago. Man is sacked from his job at the BBC even though he was never charged, let alone convicted. What exactly has Scott Mills done??

    Because Mills likely breached a clause in his contract through his behaviour and the details are confidential. It is not necessary to be convicted of a criminal offence to lose your job through bad behaviour outside work.

    In this case he probably had some form of “don’t bring the BBC into disrepute” clause in his contract and did something that the BBC considered brought them into disrepute. If not then he breached some other clause. He’s entitled to bring a claim if he thinks otherwise.

    It would be an insane world if you could only get fired if you’re conduct is criminal.
    Yes, it is surprising that so many people get surprised by that fact. You see it all the time when a politician is investigated, as people demand criminal levels of proof and get lawyers involved without need for conduct matters, but even where someone was outright acquitted of a crime you could probably still fire them for the conduct involved - someone might not have behaved appropriately even if no laws were broken.
    Thanks both for that. I do understand you can breach contracts in non criminal ways. In this case I am genuinely perplexed by the ‘new information’. That the complainant was u16? The CPS did not press charges and the events happened nearly 30 years ago. We have become a seriously cancel culture country.
    My contract of employment says I have to inform my employer immediately if I am ever arrested, failure to do so is gross misconduct, depending on the charges it could become a safeguarding issue, we have some very vulnerable clients, his job involved dealing with under 16s.
    Plus, the BBC post-Savile are not going to execise discretion are they? No umming and ahhing.
    Indeed, I had a colleague who got very drunk one day, whipped out his John Thomas to have a slash, and well the police arrested him and since the original reason was indecent exposure as that what the woman who alerted the police was worried about which led to his suspension from work.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815
    edited April 8

    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
    As Queen Victoria? So to where will they deport you?

    Germany or the Isle of Wight?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
    As Queen Victoria? So to where will they report you?

    Germany or the Isle of Wight?
    I can speak fluent German, what language do they speak on the Isle of Wight?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815

    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
    As Queen Victoria? So to where will they report you?

    Germany or the Isle of Wight?
    I can speak fluent German, what language do they speak on the Isle of Wight?
    Hampshire. There are a lot of ruffians on the Isle of Wight. Although Victoria had a great view of the Spinnaker Tower from Osborn House. Unless Osborn is in the deal I'd take Germany.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    edited April 8

    Just eight days until I'm on holiday; then I can speak my Marlborough French

    Just in case anyone missed this earlier, I found out this bit of local history this morning..



    "I just discovered that my town was the butt of a medieval joke

    Walter Map was a Welsh writer and a courtier of Henry II. He wrote about it in his book De nugis curialium (Medieval Latin for "Of the trifles of courtiers")

    "There was in service upon the aforesaid king a clerk who hath written these things down for us, whose name is Map. He was dear to the king and found favour in his eyes, not through any merit of his own, but through that of his parents, who had been the king’s loyal supporters both before he had become king and after.

    The king had also a son, Geoffrey by name, born, if I may say so, from a bawd whose name was Hikenai, as I have remarked above in passing, and this Geoffrey the king, contrary to the belief and the will of all, adopted as his own. Between him and Map there sometimes arose ready quarrels in the presence of the king himself and also elsewhere.

    Through the king Geoffrey was elected to the see of Lincoln, and held that bishopric longer than was lawful, although the Pope often urged that he give it up or be ordained a bishop ; he hesitated a long time, saying yea and saying nay to neither and to both.

    The king, therefore, who noted with some worry that much land was covered by such a fig tree, forced him to do one thing or the other ; he chose to resign.

    He resigned at Marlborough, where is a spring of which, if one tasteth, they say, he talketh barbarous French ; hence, if one is faulty in his use of this tongue, we say that he speaketh French of Marlborough.

    Therefore, during his speech of resignation, which Map heard him make before the lord Richard of Canterbury, when the Archbishop had asked him, ‘ What sayest'thou ? ’ wishing him to repeat his words for all to hear, and when, since Geoffrey made no reply, the Archbishop had asked him a second time, ‘ What Sayest thou ? ’

    Map answered in his stead, ‘ French of Marlborough.’

    The others laughed at this, Geoffrey withdrew in anger. "

    https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.184466/2015.184466.De-Nugis-Curialium_djvu.txt "

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5510011/#Comment_5510011
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879

    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
    As Queen Victoria? So to where will they report you?

    Germany or the Isle of Wight?
    I can speak fluent German, what language do they speak on the Isle of Wight?
    Don’t raise the profile of the Isle of Wight too much or Starmer will try to give it to France.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669

    Just eight days until I'm on holiday; then I can speak my Marlborough French

    Just in case anyone missed this earlier, I found out this bit of local history this morning..



    "I just discovered that my town was the butt of a medieval joke

    Walter Map was a Welsh writer and a courtier of Henry II. He wrote about it in his book De nugis curialium (Medieval Latin for "Of the trifles of courtiers")

    "There was in service upon the aforesaid king a clerk who hath written these things down for us, whose name is Map. He was dear to the king and found favour in his eyes, not through any merit of his own, but through that of his parents, who had been the king’s loyal supporters both before he had become king and after.

    The king had also a son, Geoffrey by name, born, if I may say so, from a bawd whose name was Hikenai, as I have remarked above in passing, and this Geoffrey the king, contrary to the belief and the will of all, adopted as his own. Between him and Map there sometimes arose ready quarrels in the presence of the king himself and also elsewhere.

    Through the king Geoffrey was elected to the see of Lincoln, and held that bishopric longer than was lawful, although the Pope often urged that he give it up or be ordained a bishop ; he hesitated a long time, saying yea and saying nay to neither and to both.

    The king, therefore, who noted with some worry that much land was covered by such a fig tree, forced him to do one thing or the other ; he chose to resign.

    He resigned at Marlborough, where is a spring of which, if one tasteth, they say, he talketh barbarous French ; hence, if one is faulty in his use of this tongue, we say that he speaketh French of Marlborough.

    Therefore, during his speech of resignation, which Map heard him make before the lord Richard of Canterbury, when the Archbishop had asked him, ‘ What sayest'thou ? ’ wishing him to repeat his words for all to hear, and when, since Geoffrey made no reply, the Archbishop had asked him a second time, ‘ What Sayest thou ? ’

    Map answered in his stead, ‘ French of Marlborough.’

    The others laughed at this, Geoffrey withdrew in anger. "

    https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.184466/2015.184466.De-Nugis-Curialium_djvu.txt "

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5510011/#Comment_5510011
    Standup has never been great, has it ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    This is like when Biden made Kamala Harris his border czar.

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2041936124113789353

    White House announces that JD Vance will lead the negotiating team in Islamabad on Saturday, with Witkoff and Kushner, to end the Iran War.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,815

    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
    As Queen Victoria? So to where will they report you?

    Germany or the Isle of Wight?
    I can speak fluent German, what language do they speak on the Isle of Wight?
    Don’t raise the profile of the Isle of Wight too much or Starmer will try to give it to France.
    Other than @IanB2 and @Foxy would we really miss it?

    @IanB2 would get his maroon passport back which has to be a bonus.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,491
    Nigelb said:

    Fox Business:
    "The president has threatened to destroy an entire civilisation ... is that a bigger upside risk, or downside risk ?"
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/2041881696971219340

    Ooohhh... ooh...

    Can you give me a clue???
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,446
    Well, the world didn't end and there was a doctor who saw me at the hospital. But the oddest appointment I've ever had; I think I was asked to attend the wrong clinic. GP said, do some imaging, show what's going on inside, maybe they'll send you for a mammogram afterwards. I supposed by imaging she meant an MRI, but maybe not.

    it was just a standard breast clinic: physical breast exam, mammogram, results clear, strong hints I should have phoned for a non-urgent mammogram if I'd wanted one, goodbye. In & out in just over 30 minutes. Everyone very courteous & helpful but nobody interested in the actual problem for which my GP referred me (pancreas locality).

    I'm very sorry about their wasted time but I feel my time has been wasted too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    Iran gives Trump an ultimatum:

    https://x.com/araghchi/status/2041929940678144097

    The Iran–U.S. Ceasefire terms are clear and explicit: the U.S. must choose—ceasefire or continued war via Israel. It cannot have both.

    The world sees the massacres in Lebanon. The ball is in the U.S. court, and the world is watching whether it will act on its commitments.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fox Business:
    "The president has threatened to destroy an entire civilisation ... is that a bigger upside risk, or downside risk ?"
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/2041881696971219340

    Ooohhh... ooh...

    Can you give me a clue???
    After I've picked my jawbone back up from the floor.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    It's a classic example of 'would X object if someone did it to them?'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    JD Vance has pushed back against claims that the US is interfering in Hungarian politics, describing the accusations as “darkly ironic”..
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/08/jd-vance-dismisses-claims-us-interfering-hungarian-election-budapest-viktor-orban
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    Can you imagine if say the UK Deputy PM went to the USA and stood on stage campaigning for the Dem against a GOP President. There would be absolute furore over there . Yet they go round interfering in others elections.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    Can you imagine if say the UK Deputy PM went to the USA and stood on stage campaigning for the Dem against a GOP President. There would be absolute furore over there . Yet they go round interfering in others elections.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16907175

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has pledged her support for President Nicolas Sarkozy's re-election bid, 80 days before French voters go to the polls.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878
    edited April 8
    ReformUK have selected a local election candidate called Muhammed Sharia which has generated some commentary from Restore Britain supporters on X
    https://x.com/i/trending/2041920490214977741
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    Can you imagine if say the UK Deputy PM went to the USA and stood on stage campaigning for the Dem against a GOP President. There would be absolute furore over there . Yet they go round interfering in others elections.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16907175

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has pledged her support for President Nicolas Sarkozy's re-election bid, 80 days before French voters go to the polls.
    Did she go to campaign rallies with him in France ?

    And 80 days versus a few days before the election .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 8

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    Can you imagine if say the UK Deputy PM went to the USA and stood on stage campaigning for the Dem against a GOP President. There would be absolute furore over there . Yet they go round interfering in others elections.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16907175

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has pledged her support for President Nicolas Sarkozy's re-election bid, 80 days before French voters go to the polls.
    The point was about furore in the USA if a senior foreign government official campaigned for their opponent, openly on stage as part of official rallies

    You know that and can do a lot better than this, since even fellow EU leaders backing each other could indeed be criticised. The situations are also quite different in character and timing.

    So, amusingly, you've undermined your intended point even though you made another point with some potential substance.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239

    Just eight days until I'm on holiday; then I can speak my Marlborough French

    Just in case anyone missed this earlier, I found out this bit of local history this morning..



    "I just discovered that my town was the butt of a medieval joke

    Walter Map was a Welsh writer and a courtier of Henry II. He wrote about it in his book De nugis curialium (Medieval Latin for "Of the trifles of courtiers")

    "There was in service upon the aforesaid king a clerk who hath written these things down for us, whose name is Map. He was dear to the king and found favour in his eyes, not through any merit of his own, but through that of his parents, who had been the king’s loyal supporters both before he had become king and after.

    The king had also a son, Geoffrey by name, born, if I may say so, from a bawd whose name was Hikenai, as I have remarked above in passing, and this Geoffrey the king, contrary to the belief and the will of all, adopted as his own. Between him and Map there sometimes arose ready quarrels in the presence of the king himself and also elsewhere.

    Through the king Geoffrey was elected to the see of Lincoln, and held that bishopric longer than was lawful, although the Pope often urged that he give it up or be ordained a bishop ; he hesitated a long time, saying yea and saying nay to neither and to both.

    The king, therefore, who noted with some worry that much land was covered by such a fig tree, forced him to do one thing or the other ; he chose to resign.

    He resigned at Marlborough, where is a spring of which, if one tasteth, they say, he talketh barbarous French ; hence, if one is faulty in his use of this tongue, we say that he speaketh French of Marlborough.

    Therefore, during his speech of resignation, which Map heard him make before the lord Richard of Canterbury, when the Archbishop had asked him, ‘ What sayest'thou ? ’ wishing him to repeat his words for all to hear, and when, since Geoffrey made no reply, the Archbishop had asked him a second time, ‘ What Sayest thou ? ’

    Map answered in his stead, ‘ French of Marlborough.’

    The others laughed at this, Geoffrey withdrew in anger. "

    https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.184466/2015.184466.De-Nugis-Curialium_djvu.txt "

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5510011/#Comment_5510011
    You know this one?

    https://www.lawlessfrench.com/expressions/parler-le-francais-comme-une-vache-espagnole/
  • This is like when Biden made Kamala Harris his border czar.

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2041936124113789353

    White House announces that JD Vance will lead the negotiating team in Islamabad on Saturday, with Witkoff and Kushner, to end the Iran War.

    This is actually good news for the world. As all three have been reported as being anti-Iran-war, and highly skeptical from the off about over optimistic Israeli lies about regime change in Tehran

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    Can you imagine if say the UK Deputy PM went to the USA and stood on stage campaigning for the Dem against a GOP President. There would be absolute furore over there . Yet they go round interfering in others elections.

    Don't be so darkly ironic.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    Can you imagine if say the UK Deputy PM went to the USA and stood on stage campaigning for the Dem against a GOP President. There would be absolute furore over there . Yet they go round interfering in others elections.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16907175

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has pledged her support for President Nicolas Sarkozy's re-election bid, 80 days before French voters go to the polls.
    I thought we all now agreed that Merkel was a disastrous leader with awful judgment.

    Or is that your point ?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239
    edited April 8
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    Can you imagine if say the UK Deputy PM went to the USA and stood on stage campaigning for the Dem against a GOP President. There would be absolute furore over there . Yet they go round interfering in others elections.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16907175

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has pledged her support for President Nicolas Sarkozy's re-election bid, 80 days before French voters go to the polls.
    I thought we all now agreed that Merkel was a disastrous leader with awful judgment.

    Or is that your point ?
    We do?

    https://www.politico.eu/article/vlodymyr-zelenskyy-angela-merkel-and-lech-walesa-bono-get-top-eu-prize/

    #One of these things is not like the others
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    If you’re from an ethnic background and support Reform or stand for them then you’re a fxcking moron .

    It’s like Latinos and Blacks for Trump who are now shocked that their friends and relatives are being deported . Wtf did they think was going to happen .

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, would not answer repeated questions about who currently controls the Strait of Hormuz.

    NY Times live blog



    The answer is Iran for those at the back who have not been paying attention.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,089
    On topic (sorry).

    Net favourablility as a percentage of those expressing an opinion, i.e. excluding don’t knows.
    John Swinney - 40%
    Ed Davey - 40%
    Kemi Badenoch - 26%
    Zack Polanski - 36%
    Nigel Farage - 22%
    Anas Sarwar - 31%
    Keir Starmer - 19%
    Alex Cole-Hamilton - 36%
    Russell Findlay - 30%
    Ross Greer - 28%
    Gillian Mackay - 26%
    Malcolm Offord - 17%

    On that basis, the SNP and the Lib Dems are the least unpopular.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,463
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Whilst he is right that what is happening now is more important than things he did 10+ years ago - and voters probably agree - is this really Zack's defence for being titanically stupid around breast hypnosis? That it is unreasonable to point out how monumentally thick he was about it?

    Labour dredging up a 2013 Sun article as if that’s what matters.

    We’re living through a moment where the PM is complicit in genocide, backing a US President threatening destruction of civilisation.

    Every attack like this just exposes how hollow Labour’s politics is.

    https://nitter.poast.org/ZackPolanski/status/2041605736464105727#m

    I think his popularity can be sustained regardless, but pretending he wasn't a dumb weirdo about it is not going to stop people bringing it up.

    He really is the heir to Corbyn, apparently it is bad form to quote exactly the stuff you've said and done in the past.
    A particularly silly period of politics indeed.

    He should be in an easier position because part of Corbyn's appeal was that he had been unchanging in his views for decades, steadfast and correct, so disavowing or clarifying past statements/views would undermine that. Whereas Zack is still youthful and new on the scene, he could probably laugh it off as a momentary youthful lapse (notwithstanding he was not a youth).

    But getting angry about it, to use one of his supporters' favourite words, makes him look rattled by it.

    Sure, it is petty and probably not going to move the dial much, but it will come up time and time again, because it is funny and allows us to mock a leading politician for being stupid, and we always like that.
    Why are people convinced political opponents are “rattled” on sometimes the flimsiest of grounds
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
    Anyway, here's to the true midwife of (eventual) Scottish independence.

    KNEECAP
    @KNEECAPCEOL
    1h
    Happy anniversary

    Quote
    Sky News Breaking
    @SkyNewsBreak
    ·
    8 Apr 2013
    Baroness Thatcher died this morning following a stroke according to her spokesman Lord Bell

    https://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/2041912990312628283?s=20
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Another person who should NOT go on holiday...



    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    Sir Keir Starmer was on the last day of his holiday in Spain with his family when Donald Trump threatened to obliterate civilisation in Iran

    As the world held its breath amid fears that the Middle East was about to descend into even deeper turmoil, the prime minister was flying back to the UK on a commercial flight after a four-day Easter break

    He arrived back on Tuesday evening and was left with no choice but to wait with everyone else to see whether Trump would follow through on his pledge to send Iran back to the “Stone Age”

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2041935711641739386
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Mark Rutte is due to meet Trump later .

    I expect we’ll see a level of vomit inducing begging from Rutte and the mother of all fellations . It won’t be pretty , let’s hope Rutte doesn’t go a step further than the embarrassing meeting last year and call him big daddy !

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239

    Anyway, here's to the true midwife of (eventual) Scottish independence.

    KNEECAP
    @KNEECAPCEOL
    1h
    Happy anniversary

    Quote
    Sky News Breaking
    @SkyNewsBreak
    ·
    8 Apr 2013
    Baroness Thatcher died this morning following a stroke according to her spokesman Lord Bell

    https://x.com/KNEECAPCEOL/status/2041912990312628283?s=20

    It was Thatcher's single market which made Sindy possible, true. Then Brexit killed it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,467
    Fishing said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Scotland desperately needs a right of centre government in my opinion but it looks like they're going to miss out on the opportunity once again. A real shame.

    There's a silver lining for England though - the SNP's staggering incompetence at anything other than whining with its begging bowl out has always been a warning for us south of the border, and occasionally we've even noticed how badly they run the place.
    are you doolally, have you seen the shambles Westminster has done to the whole UK
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    edited April 8

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    The IDF was very disappointed because their kill bonuses would be lowered . So today they’re overjoyed because they managed to wipe out nearly a hundred people in Beirut .

    Checking again it was 254 people that were wiped out so they’ll be popping the champagne at IDF HQ !

    The western media are couching this as ceasefire breaches on both sides !
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,231

    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
    As Queen Victoria? So to where will they report you?

    Germany or the Isle of Wight?
    I can speak fluent German, what language do they speak on the Isle of Wight?
    Don’t raise the profile of the Isle of Wight too much or Starmer will try to give it to France.
    I think we're safe - we could give them the island, but where would we find the money for the £38bn bung?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669
    nico67 said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    The IDF was very disappointed because their kill bonuses would be lowered . So today they’re overjoyed because they managed to wipe out nearly a hundred people in Beirut .
    Nearly three hundred.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    Can you imagine if say the UK Deputy PM went to the USA and stood on stage campaigning for the Dem against a GOP President. There would be absolute furore over there . Yet they go round interfering in others elections.
    They got upset about a few letters from Guardian readers.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,872
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    JD Vance has pushed back against claims that the US is interfering in Hungarian politics, describing the accusations as “darkly ironic”..
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/08/jd-vance-dismisses-claims-us-interfering-hungarian-election-budapest-viktor-orban
    Note that "darkly ironic" is not a synonym for "untrue".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380


    Ed Miliband
    @Ed_Miliband

    1/ Today as we approve Springwell Solar farm, set to be the UK’s largest approved power‑producing solar farm, @NESO
    have confirmed a new solar record, with over 14.4GW of clean power generated at the peak.

    https://x.com/Ed_Miliband/status/2041924052697186539
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    Agreed but the US dances to their tune not vice versa
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    She's increasingly struggling to breath as she reads out utter hogwash marinated in a fine brine of complete bollocks. See video


    Acyn
    @Acyn
    ·
    22m
    Leavitt: The president's red lines, namely the end of Iranian enrichment in Iran, have not changed.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2041949551494623463
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,193

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,785
    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    When you are facing evil, destabilising is a good thing.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,352
    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    Agreed but the US dances to their tune not vice versa
    The problem, as with all ceasefire agreements, is that extremists on each side set out to undermine peace by provoking their opponents with some new outrage. We managed to overcome this during the Northern Ireland peace process. Here, I'm not sure anyone is even trying.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719
    edited April 8
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    The IDF was very disappointed because their kill bonuses would be lowered . So today they’re overjoyed because they managed to wipe out nearly a hundred people in Beirut .
    Nearly three hundred.
    Eternal Darkness for them then. I think Israel (current regime) realise they've won the lottery with this ignorant vain and gullible US presidency and are determined to make maximum use of the opportunity it affords.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    Megyn Kelly has had enough of Trump:

    https://x.com/MikeSington/status/2041843078282276919

    “I am sick of this sh*t. Can’t he just behave like a normal human?” Megyn Kelly completely unleashes on Trump, and it’s brutal.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027
    MelonB said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    I don’t think the Americans quite appreciate the degree to which Europe, and indeed the rest of the civilised world, react to comments like this with a chorus of “you can fuck right off”.

    Never have we been more united in our contempt.
    They think they can boss the entire world around.

    They couldn't even boss a medium sized (by population) middle eastern country around.

    They aren't going to learn their past influence being a friend to other countries far exceeds what influence they will end up with being an antagonist to them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    How can I distract from losing to Iran?

    Oh, here's an idea...



    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    1h
    !!! Trump to discuss possibility of withdrawing from NATO in meeting in a couple of hours with NATO's secretary general, White House says

    https://x.com/phildstewart/status/2041937595089740006
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    Israel is the only “winner” in this war

    All of their nearest and most dangerous adversaries are severely weakened

    Their reputation isn’t looking so good; but so many hated them anyway that fucking up the Iranians was probably worth the further reputational damage
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    How can I distract from losing to Iran?

    Oh, here's an idea...



    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    1h
    !!! Trump to discuss possibility of withdrawing from NATO in meeting in a couple of hours with NATO's secretary general, White House says

    https://x.com/phildstewart/status/2041937595089740006

    Might as well make official what is already the case in practice.

    But I expect Rutte will make some public obeisance to Trump to try to mollify him (which never works).
  • glwglw Posts: 10,923
    Nigelb said:

    JD Vance: "Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels? Will you stand for western civilization? Will you stand for freedom, truth, and the God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the polls and stand for Viktor Orban!"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041549460199686359

    It's not normal for VPs to give election rally speeches in another country, is it ?

    I don't know which is worse, the things Vance is saying, or that he used to castigate politicians for saying such tripe so he doesn't in all likelihood believe what he is saying. He's not really MAGA, he's a sheep in wolf's clothing, a pretend tough guy from an administration full of such people; bullies, cowards, and other morally vacant scum.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    Megyn Kelly has had enough of Trump:

    https://x.com/MikeSington/status/2041843078282276919

    “I am sick of this sh*t. Can’t he just behave like a normal human?” Megyn Kelly completely unleashes on Trump, and it’s brutal.

    No she hasn't - he's attacked her pesonally before and it never stopped her from licking his boots, she'll be on message within a week.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 8
    MelonB said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    I don’t think the Americans quite appreciate the degree to which Europe, and indeed the rest of the civilised world, react to comments like this with a chorus of “you can fuck right off”.

    Never have we been more united in our contempt.
    It's very obvious he wants out of NATO and has been creating difficulties to exploit (like Greenland), but the accusations now amount to demanding total servility to the US President. Since they've already mostly responded to prior criticisms of not raising defence spending.

    As to servility, they might get it a lot more easily if it were couched as requests of allies, not demands of subjects.

    Trump is not totally stupid, he will know by making his demands in the way he does, it makes it harder for politicians elsewhere to actually comply, since they have electorates of their own who don't want their leaders to grovel to Trump. Rubio and the rest are just along for the ride.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,960

    Israel is the only “winner” in this war

    All of their nearest and most dangerous adversaries are severely weakened

    Their reputation isn’t looking so good; but so many hated them anyway that fucking up the Iranians was probably worth the further reputational damage

    And giving them an excuse to annex a chunk of Lebanon.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,490

    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    When you are facing evil, destabilising is a good thing.
    Doesn't look like anyone's trying that hard. The House hasn't even moved to impeach him yet.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669

    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    When you are facing evil, destabilising is a good thing.
    Collective punishment of six million people is not a good thing, Bart.
    Israel's treatment of Lebanon is unconscionable.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
    Indeed. Now, some may say that it is overdramatic to just accept NATO is dead, and fair enough, but what is the case is that trying to mollify Trump does not work, so when he says he is considering withdrawal there's literally no point in begging him not to because it is not good for us or the USA.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,922
    kle4 said:

    How can I distract from losing to Iran?

    Oh, here's an idea...



    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    1h
    !!! Trump to discuss possibility of withdrawing from NATO in meeting in a couple of hours with NATO's secretary general, White House says

    https://x.com/phildstewart/status/2041937595089740006

    Might as well make official what is already the case in practice.

    But I expect Rutte will make some public obeisance to Trump to try to mollify him (which never works).
    and we better get a whole set of people in Greenland because we know what will happen the next time someone mentions Greenland to him..
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,089

    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    When you are facing evil, destabilising is a good thing.
    I’m glad you have finally admitted that the Israeli government is evil.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,669

    How can I distract from losing to Iran?

    Oh, here's an idea...

    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    1h
    !!! Trump to discuss possibility of withdrawing from NATO in meeting in a couple of hours with NATO's secretary general, White House says

    https://x.com/phildstewart/status/2041937595089740006

    Congress will say no.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    Nigelb said:

    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    When you are facing evil, destabilising is a good thing.
    Collective punishment of six million people is not a good thing, Bart.
    Israel's treatment of Lebanon is unconscionable.
    Much as everyone in Lebanon will despise what is happening, the non-Hezbollah part is probably furious about Hezbollah provding a pretext.

    And given Israel appears to constantly want to create new 'buffer' zones, it does seem like a pretext, since there will be areas next to the new buffer zones which also need a buffer presumably.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
    Indeed. Now, some may say that it is overdramatic to just accept NATO is dead, and fair enough, but what is the case is that trying to mollify Trump does not work, so when he says he is considering withdrawal there's literally no point in begging him not to because it is not good for us or the USA.
    The best reaction is “so long, fairwell, Auf wiedersehen goodbye”.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 8
    Nigelb said:

    How can I distract from losing to Iran?

    Oh, here's an idea...

    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    1h
    !!! Trump to discuss possibility of withdrawing from NATO in meeting in a couple of hours with NATO's secretary general, White House says

    https://x.com/phildstewart/status/2041937595089740006

    Congress will say no.

    He doesn't need to formally withdraw from NATO to make it effectively defunct, or less dramatically just screw up its internal workings and long term plans.

    Much like how he couldn't and cannot shut down USAID, but he was able to cancel all its contracts and fire its staff.

    I think this is where some people can be distracted by knowing too much, if that makes any sense - since he cannot actually withdraw without Congress, the threat is treated as bluster by experts, when less knowledgable me would say the mere threat is destabilising and damaging.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,490
    Nigelb said:

    How can I distract from losing to Iran?

    Oh, here's an idea...

    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    1h
    !!! Trump to discuss possibility of withdrawing from NATO in meeting in a couple of hours with NATO's secretary general, White House says

    https://x.com/phildstewart/status/2041937595089740006

    Congress will say no.

    Congress, controlled by Trump sycophants, will do what Trump tells them to.

    As they did, even in the Biden years, to let more immigrants in.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,491

    Israel is the only “winner” in this war

    All of their nearest and most dangerous adversaries are severely weakened

    Their reputation isn’t looking so good; but so many hated them anyway that fucking up the Iranians was probably worth the further reputational damage

    Really? I think the chances of Israel not existing in a decade have gone from almost nothing to quite meaningful. Which is incredibly sad.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,089
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    When you are facing evil, destabilising is a good thing.
    Collective punishment of six million people is not a good thing, Bart.
    Israel's treatment of Lebanon is unconscionable.
    Much as everyone in Lebanon will despise what is happening, the non-Hezbollah part is probably furious about Hezbollah provding a pretext.

    And given Israel appears to constantly want to create new 'buffer' zones, it does seem like a pretext, since there will be areas next to the new buffer zones which also need a buffer presumably.
    Eventually, Turkey will be needed as a buffer against the evil Greeks.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,520
    @benansell.bsky.social‬

    Perhaps I should have expected this administration to actually do the "how many divisions has the Pope" line

    https://bsky.app/profile/benansell.bsky.social/post/3miyy4pd6tc2j
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,960
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
    Indeed. Now, some may say that it is overdramatic to just accept NATO is dead, and fair enough, but what is the case is that trying to mollify Trump does not work, so when he says he is considering withdrawal there's literally no point in begging him not to because it is not good for us or the USA.
    NATO isn’t dead if the next US President is less mad/incompetent/venal than Trump. Also. Trump can’t withdraw the US from NATO. That decision is up to Congress and there aren’t the votes for withdrawal.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,520
    edited April 8
    This is sub-Judice so none of you are allowed to comment. Cough.

    Unless you can come up with something non-prejudicial.

    (So where was bloody Hegseth when he was needed to be baptised?)

    A pastor has been charged with gross negligence manslaughter after a man died during a baptism ceremony in Birmingham.

    Robert Smith, 61, from Brixton, London, died from drowning at an address on Slade Road, Erdington, on 8 October 2023.

    Cheryl Bartley, 48, was charged with one count of gross negligence manslaughter in relation to her role as a pastor during the baptism, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said.

    Bartley, of Erdington, will appear at Birmingham Magistrates' Court on 14 May.

    The BBC previously reported that the man was taking part in the ceremony carried out by Life Changing Ministries in a small pool in the property's garden.

    The baptism event was streamed live on the church's Facebook page, but the stream was cut during the event and the video later removed.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg3kx8r139o
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,960
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Ratters said:

    Understatement of the Year Nobel Prize entry latest:


    The ceasefire situation remains fluid.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041922770595115056

    Israel needs to be put in its place.

    Under its current government it's as destabilising a force as Iran.

    The US needs to tell them to stop the bombing in Lebanon and Iran. Or else a complete cessation in military deliveries and aid.
    When you are facing evil, destabilising is a good thing.
    Collective punishment of six million people is not a good thing, Bart.
    Israel's treatment of Lebanon is unconscionable.
    Much as everyone in Lebanon will despise what is happening, the non-Hezbollah part is probably furious about Hezbollah provding a pretext.

    And given Israel appears to constantly want to create new 'buffer' zones, it does seem like a pretext, since there will be areas next to the new buffer zones which also need a buffer presumably.
    As with Syria, where Israel said it needed a buffer (territory long held by Syria) for its buffer (having taken over the UN zone) for its buffer (the Golan Heights).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,467
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
    Indeed. Now, some may say that it is overdramatic to just accept NATO is dead, and fair enough, but what is the case is that trying to mollify Trump does not work, so when he says he is considering withdrawal there's literally no point in begging him not to because it is not good for us or the USA.
    I would not mind a NATO job and an interview with him on the topic of membership , he would be told where to go in no uncertain terms. Out by the arse of his breeks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
    Indeed. Now, some may say that it is overdramatic to just accept NATO is dead, and fair enough, but what is the case is that trying to mollify Trump does not work, so when he says he is considering withdrawal there's literally no point in begging him not to because it is not good for us or the USA.
    NATO isn’t dead if the next US President is less mad/incompetent/venal than Trump. Also. Trump can’t withdraw the US from NATO. That decision is up to Congress and there aren’t the votes for withdrawal.
    Yes and even if Congress voted to withdraw, which it likely won't given a few Republicans will vote with Democrats to stay in, NATO has 31 other members beyond the USA
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,960
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    How can I distract from losing to Iran?

    Oh, here's an idea...

    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    1h
    !!! Trump to discuss possibility of withdrawing from NATO in meeting in a couple of hours with NATO's secretary general, White House says

    https://x.com/phildstewart/status/2041937595089740006

    Congress will say no.

    He doesn't need to formally withdraw from NATO to make it effectively defunct, or less dramatically just screw up its internal workings and long term plans.

    Much like how he couldn't and cannot shut down USAID, but he was able to cancel all its contracts and fire its staff.

    I think this is where some people can be distracted by knowing too much, if that makes any sense - since he cannot actually withdraw without Congress, the threat is treated as bluster by experts, when less knowledgable me would say the mere threat is destabilising and damaging.
    Yes, he can gum up NATO while in office, but a next President can undo those things just as quickly.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 8

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
    Indeed. Now, some may say that it is overdramatic to just accept NATO is dead, and fair enough, but what is the case is that trying to mollify Trump does not work, so when he says he is considering withdrawal there's literally no point in begging him not to because it is not good for us or the USA.
    NATO isn’t dead if the next US President is less mad/incompetent/venal than Trump. Also. Trump can’t withdraw the US from NATO. That decision is up to Congress and there aren’t the votes for withdrawal.
    As I've noted the threat is damaging in its own right, and he certainly can take action to seriously disrupt NATO even if he cannot withdraw. Dead is not literal, but it will be far less than it was.

    And I have to disagree that the next US President being less mad etc than Trump makes much difference. 40% of the USA is on board with whatever Trump proposes (no matter if a current poll were to say fewer than that were against this policy), and that means US support for NATO hinges on a few hundred thousands voters in swing states every 4 years.

    The alliance cannot build for the future on such a base.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,239
    rcs1000 said:

    Israel is the only “winner” in this war

    All of their nearest and most dangerous adversaries are severely weakened

    Their reputation isn’t looking so good; but so many hated them anyway that fucking up the Iranians was probably worth the further reputational damage

    Really? I think the chances of Israel not existing in a decade have gone from almost nothing to quite meaningful. Which is incredibly sad.
    By what mechanism?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,520
    @maxpcohen

    News: Jeffries writes to Dems with two big updates.

    1. War Powers Resolution coming tomorrow at pro forma

    2. Raskin briefing caucus on 25th Amendment on Friday

    https://x.com/maxpcohen/status/2041960845534503370?s=20
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Same, on the grounds that the Greens are less likely to deport me than Reform.

    (Deport me where though, that's a trickier question as I am as British as Queen Victoria.)
    You're half-German, your father's a German, and you married a German?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    edited April 8

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    How can I distract from losing to Iran?

    Oh, here's an idea...

    Phil Stewart
    @phildstewart
    ·
    1h
    !!! Trump to discuss possibility of withdrawing from NATO in meeting in a couple of hours with NATO's secretary general, White House says

    https://x.com/phildstewart/status/2041937595089740006

    Congress will say no.

    He doesn't need to formally withdraw from NATO to make it effectively defunct, or less dramatically just screw up its internal workings and long term plans.

    Much like how he couldn't and cannot shut down USAID, but he was able to cancel all its contracts and fire its staff.

    I think this is where some people can be distracted by knowing too much, if that makes any sense - since he cannot actually withdraw without Congress, the threat is treated as bluster by experts, when less knowledgable me would say the mere threat is destabilising and damaging.
    Yes, he can gum up NATO while in office, but a next President can undo those things just as quickly.
    And the one after can redo it - and that there is no consensus anymore on NATO membership among the US population is why it cannot last as it is.

    It's not like if, say, the Netherlands were to pull out. Unwanted, sure, but the US is a whole different beast if its membership is a partisan question, which it is (GOP might have said they were not against traditionally, but they clearly are now, and the voters would follow).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,520
    edited April 8
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
    Indeed. Now, some may say that it is overdramatic to just accept NATO is dead, and fair enough, but what is the case is that trying to mollify Trump does not work, so when he says he is considering withdrawal there's literally no point in begging him not to because it is not good for us or the USA.
    NATO isn’t dead if the next US President is less mad/incompetent/venal than Trump. Also. Trump can’t withdraw the US from NATO. That decision is up to Congress and there aren’t the votes for withdrawal.
    As I've noted the threat is damaging in its own right, and he certainly can take action to seriously disrupt NATO even if he cannot withdraw. Dead is not literal, but it will be far less than it was.

    And I have to disagree that the next US President being less mad etc than Trump makes much difference. 40% of the USA is on board with whatever Trump proposes (no matter if a current poll were to say fewer than that were against this policy), and that means US support for NATO hinges on a few hundred thousands voters in swing states every 4 years.

    The alliance cannot build for the future on such a base.
    Trump's habit would perhaps be deliberately to stay to wreck it.

    They may do what they did to the WTO.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    nico67 said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Polanski has had a humour bypass . He also needs to get his teeth sorted out .

    As for the Greens policies . Idealistic fantasy drivel.

    I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
    If it was a choice only between the Greens and Reform I’d have to vote for Polanski. I’m willing to accept a diet of mung beans and daily gatherings around a camp fire singing kumbaya !
    Don't forget the bigger breasts.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,589
    MattW said:

    This is sub-Judice so none of you are allowed to comment. Cough.

    Unless you can come up with something non-prejudicial.

    (So where was bloody Hegseth when he was needed to be baptised?)

    A pastor has been charged with gross negligence manslaughter after a man died during a baptism ceremony in Birmingham.

    Robert Smith, 61, from Brixton, London, died from drowning at an address on Slade Road, Erdington, on 8 October 2023.

    Cheryl Bartley, 48, was charged with one count of gross negligence manslaughter in relation to her role as a pastor during the baptism, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said.

    Bartley, of Erdington, will appear at Birmingham Magistrates' Court on 14 May.

    The BBC previously reported that the man was taking part in the ceremony carried out by Life Changing Ministries in a small pool in the property's garden.

    The baptism event was streamed live on the church's Facebook page, but the stream was cut during the event and the video later removed.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg3kx8r139o

    Life Changing. Into death.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,960
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/statedept/status/2041944807312859455

    PRESS SEC: It’s quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the last six weeks when it’s the American people who have been funding their defense.

    President Trump looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with Secretary Rutte.

    Let’s be honest - NATO is dead. So why entertain Trump and his ridiculous delusions
    Indeed. Now, some may say that it is overdramatic to just accept NATO is dead, and fair enough, but what is the case is that trying to mollify Trump does not work, so when he says he is considering withdrawal there's literally no point in begging him not to because it is not good for us or the USA.
    NATO isn’t dead if the next US President is less mad/incompetent/venal than Trump. Also. Trump can’t withdraw the US from NATO. That decision is up to Congress and there aren’t the votes for withdrawal.
    As I've noted the threat is damaging in its own right, and he certainly can take action to seriously disrupt NATO even if he cannot withdraw. Dead is not literal, but it will be far less than it was.

    And I have to disagree that the next US President being less mad etc than Trump makes much difference. 40% of the USA is on board with whatever Trump proposes (no matter if a current poll were to say fewer than that were against this policy), and that means US support for NATO hinges on a few hundred thousands voters in swing states every 4 years.

    The alliance cannot build for the future on such a base.
    Well, yes, it depends what happens post-Trump (and maybe post-Vance). If the US has a reckoning and turns against MAGA, many of those 40% might say they never really supported Trump and norms are re-established.
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