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Now I saw when the lamb opened one of the seals.. – politicalbetting.com

'Why is he asking our allies to do what we should be doing ourselves?'Kemi Badenoch urges Starmer to go further in his military response to the Iran war'What I was not prepared to do… was join a war unless I was satisfied there was a lawful basis', the PM said pic.twitter.com/72932UFP7t

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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,650
    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,783
    Badenock should be put in the same straight-jacket as Trump.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,624
    Are we all staying up for the end of the world? When is it ok to start drinking?

    It’s 8pm New York time so that’s 1am london. Late but do-able

    Much better timing for people in Australia. They can watch it over breakfast

    I’m gonna have a nice Brunello I think. Goes well with lamb or game, or roast chicken and mushroom clouds
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,218
    edited 3:34PM
    I see no evidence that Badenoch is being damaged, though Farage may well be

    Starmer's problem has always been allowing offensive destruction from Fairford and Diego Garcia under the smokescreen as defensive

    Italy, Spain and Austria can claim 'not in my name' but Starmer cannot

    Starmer and labour are in government and as this continues, they will be the ones in the cross hairs, fairly or unfairly
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,309
    Here’s your soundtrack from that increasingly rare thing, a great American.

    https://youtu.be/jiMXK9eDrMY?si=Qw4XA1Kwz-b2wGhV
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,621
    Yet SKS has gone along with the US using airbases in the U.K.

    He’s no hero

    He’s tried to play both sides here.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,218
    Roger said:

    Badenock should be put in the same straight-jacket as Trump.

    Starmer allowed the B1 and B52s to fly out of Fairford to bomb Iran

    He did not do an Italy, Spain, or Austria
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,639
    Trump is the ultimate personification of American ignorance and hubris.

    Quite how or why Badenoch thinks that tacking back closer to him will do her or her party any favours going forward is a mystery.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,221
    Obvious ref - https://youtu.be/Rfc6gR5KW9w?si=Zn2nu_yJzULthU5y

    On the header - US planes flying from the U.K. will be involved in whatever Trump does.

    Not sure the Iranians are parsing the difference between being blown up defensively and/or offensively.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,163
    There is a lively discussion about where in the US the 'Nuremberg' trials should take place.

    Strong argument for Philadelphia

    They can even use the same courtroom...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,827
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Battlebus said:

    UK grid running at 90% renewables now. Who needs oil?

    https://grid.iamkate.com/

    Not only is it 90% renewables, but the UK is (a) filling pumped storage, and (b) exporting electricity. We're slightly over 100% for wind+solar+nuclear, and a sub £50 spot electricity price is nothing to cry about either.
    It is genuinely baffling to me that Reform are so anti renewables.
    The problem is a simple one: if you were an ordinary, unbiased observer looking at the cost of new electricity production in 2006 (during the first renewable energy boom), then then you would have seen solar at GBP250/MWh (at least), and wind at GBP75/MWh, and baseload prices for electricity were GBP30. Now, sure, energy prices were skyrocketing due to the US energy boom not really having started yet, and China's (and other emerging markets) industrialisation was sucking up energy at quite a pace.

    But unless you were *really* worried about global warming, then renewables didn't make a lot of sense.

    Since then, the price of solar has absolutely collapsed - panels are down at least 90%, and now the biggest cost with getting them installed is labour. But unless you've updated your mental model, you will still think that solar is massively more expensive than other forms of energy generation.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,360
    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    I don't think Starmer should back Russia's ally, so it's good he said No to Trump.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,650
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    He isn't. That is just your rather warped view of it.

    Do you not realise that Trump's attack on Iran has done more to help the Russian cause in Ukraine than anything else in the last few years? Not only has he lifted sanctions, denied weapons to Ukraine and split NATO, he has also given Putin a moral and legal basis for his continued attacks. After all, if the USA is okay launching attacks on other countries then why should Russia not do the same?
    Whataboutism isn't a "moral and legal basis" for anything, and the last month has seen a big shift in momentum away from Russia. Zelensky is now being welcomed like a king across the Middle East, including in Russia's erstwhile ally of Syria.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,126
    Problems on different scales. I have a hospital appointment tomorrow. If the world makes it through that far, will there be any doctors there anyway?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,928
    Both Davey and Polanski not mincing words:


    After Trump's latest shocking threats, Keir Starmer faces a choice.

    Withdraw US access now to UK air bases, or risk letting British soil be used to commit war crimes.

    https://bsky.app/profile/eddavey.libdems.org.uk/post/3mivt5hwuvi2u

    The UK must immediately and unequivocally suspend support for the US military.

    The Government have tried to appease him, then they tried to say they're standing up to him.

    Words aren't enough - it's time for action.

    https://bsky.app/profile/zackpolanski.bsky.social/post/3mivtm5dhck2n
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,767
    "Netanyahu confirms Israeli warplanes have struck bridges and railways in Iran

    Iran's Revolutionary Guard was using them to transport materials to make weapons, Israel's prime minister claimed in a statement released by his office."

    https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-us-israel-kharg-island-netanyahu-lebanon-strikes-drone-live-sky-news-13509565
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,621
    Scott_xP said:

    There is a lively discussion about where in the US the 'Nuremberg' trials should take place.

    Strong argument for Philadelphia

    They can even use the same courtroom...

    Philadelphia freedom, shine on me
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    He's backing Trump?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,928
    AnneJGP said:

    Problems on different scales. I have a hospital appointment tomorrow. If the world makes it through that far, will there be any doctors there anyway?

    Yes. It would have been cancelled if strike affected. It is only the Residents on strike, so more an issue for on call teams than outpatients, and I expect most will work normally anyway.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,172

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter

    BREAKING: Iran has officially cut off all direct diplomacy communications with the United States following President Trump's threat to destroy Iran's "whole civilization."

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2041531190147256680
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,767
    Are Kemi and Nigel supporting Trump?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,360
    FF43 said:

    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    I don't think Starmer should back Russia's ally, so it's good he said No to Trump.
    Sorry. A fatuous reply to a fatuous comment. Things are far too serious for that. It does look like both sides are now bombing for the sake of it.



  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,941
    The term "chickening out" to describe Donald Trump not committing a genocide doesn't feel right to me. I know it comes from TACO and all that but still. The fact is that him not chickening out (of the apocalyptic threat) would be more where the cowardice lies. Abject cowardice actually. Since he'd be doing it simply out of pique and a refusal/inability to do the work needed to pursue other ways to resolve the conflict.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    Andy_JS said:

    "Netanyahu confirms Israeli warplanes have struck bridges and railways in Iran

    Iran's Revolutionary Guard was using them to transport materials to make weapons, Israel's prime minister claimed in a statement released by his office."

    https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-us-israel-kharg-island-netanyahu-lebanon-strikes-drone-live-sky-news-13509565

    Oh, so that;s OK, then?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    williamglenn said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    He isn't. That is just your rather warped view of it.

    Do you not realise that Trump's attack on Iran has done more to help the Russian cause in Ukraine than anything else in the last few years? Not only has he lifted sanctions, denied weapons to Ukraine and split NATO, he has also given Putin a moral and legal basis for his continued attacks. After all, if the USA is okay launching attacks on other countries then why should Russia not do the same?
    Whataboutism isn't a "moral and legal basis" for anything, and the last month has seen a big shift in momentum away from Russia. Zelensky is now being welcomed like a king across the Middle East, including in Russia's erstwhile ally of Syria.
    The same Zelensky insulted by Trump and Vance in February 2025?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,163
    ‪@sirsandgoblin.bsky.social‬

    🚨 In Light Of Global Events, The Official Correct Amount Of Pints Has Been Revised To Five (5) Pints
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,145
    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@sirsandgoblin.bsky.social‬

    🚨 In Light Of Global Events, The Official Correct Amount Of Pints Has Been Revised To Five (5) Pints

    I have wine and whisky on standby....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,163
    @MarkNicolDM

    EXCL HMS Dragon, the only Royal Navy warship deployed to the conflict with Iran has withdrawn to port for repairs and logistics after experiencing issues with its fresh water supplies, the Mail can reveal
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,145
    AnneJGP said:

    Problems on different scales. I have a hospital appointment tomorrow. If the world makes it through that far, will there be any doctors there anyway?

    Hope the appointment isn't for anything too serious, Anne?
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,621
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@sirsandgoblin.bsky.social‬

    🚨 In Light Of Global Events, The Official Correct Amount Of Pints Has Been Revised To Five (5) Pints

    I have wine and whisky on standby....
    Drunk mine
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    Scott_xP said:

    @MarkNicolDM

    EXCL HMS Dragon, the only Royal Navy warship deployed to the conflict with Iran has withdrawn to port for repairs and logistics after experiencing issues with its fresh water supplies, the Mail can reveal

    Wot, no rum???
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,066
    Scott_xP said:

    @MarkNicolDM

    EXCL HMS Dragon, the only Royal Navy warship deployed to the conflict with Iran has withdrawn to port for repairs and logistics after experiencing issues with its fresh water supplies, the Mail can reveal

    Which port?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,928
    Andy_JS said:

    Are Kemi and Nigel supporting Trump?

    No, its too much even for Farage:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2026/apr/07/doctors-strike-wes-streeting-snp-fuel-prices-nigel-farage-reform-uk-keir-starmer-labour-strait-hormuz-uk-politics-latest-updates?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,145
    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@sirsandgoblin.bsky.social‬

    🚨 In Light Of Global Events, The Official Correct Amount Of Pints Has Been Revised To Five (5) Pints

    I have wine and whisky on standby....
    Drunk mine
    There's always room for more...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@sirsandgoblin.bsky.social‬

    🚨 In Light Of Global Events, The Official Correct Amount Of Pints Has Been Revised To Five (5) Pints

    I have wine and whisky on standby....
    Drunk mine
    I picked the wrong week to give up trainspotting.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,650
    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,547
    Scott_xP said:

    @MarkNicolDM

    EXCL HMS Dragon, the only Royal Navy warship deployed to the conflict with Iran has withdrawn to port for repairs and logistics after experiencing issues with its fresh water supplies, the Mail can reveal

    You can’t make it up
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 5,739
    This was a DISASTROUS call from Badenoch.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,172
    Christiane Amanpour
    @amanpour

    Madman Theory?

    Trump got summits with “little rocket man” Kim Jong Un last time around, but never in all my years reporting America at war have I heard anything like this: an American president threatens to destroy a “whole civilization” and says it’ll take 100 years to rebuild.

    Striking Tehran’s Grand Bazaar, Israel warning people to avoid trains and stations, Trump threatening whole power grids, desalination plants, the nation’s bridges…

    Is this war still against the Iranian regime or now against a whole people?

    https://x.com/amanpour/status/2041519354500591928
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,218
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    This was a DISASTROUS call from Badenoch.

    Starmer authorised the bombing of Iran from Fairford and Diego Garcia

    There is liltle evidence the public hold Badenoch responsible

    Starmer did not keep us out as Italy, Spain and Austria have
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,783
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    This was a DISASTROUS call from Badenoch.

    She doesn't know that being a siren isn't impressive. It just makes her look unthinking and well short of what the UK expects of its leaders of whatever Party
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 613
    Any sign of the four horsemen yet?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,218
    edited 4:20PM
    Roger said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    This was a DISASTROUS call from Badenoch.

    She doesn't know that being a siren isn't impressive. It just makes her look unthinking and well short of what the UK expects of its leaders of whatever Party
    And yet it was Starmer who authorised US B1 and B52s bombing of Iran from UK bases

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,172

    Ahmed Baba
    @AhmedBaba_
    ·
    18m
    A reminder that the Heritage Foundation architected Project 2025 with Viktor Orbán in mind. Kevin Roberts called modern Hungary “the model” for conservative statecraft.

    Far-right authoritarianism is a globally collaborative movement.

    https://x.com/AhmedBaba_/status/2041546347736695039
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 5,739
    It was a DISASTROUS call from Farage too.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,941
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,145
    edited 4:23PM
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    This was a DISASTROUS call from Badenoch.

    Her personal ratings aren't doing too badly, are they?

    She remains more popular than her party (which isn't saying much, granted)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,783
    kinabalu said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
    kinabalu said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
    It's repulsive. Everything that comes out of Netanyahu's mouth is. One of the most grotesque human beings that has ever lived
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,370
    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    Who is Starmer "backing"? I don't see him backing anyone.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,941
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    This was a DISASTROUS call from Badenoch.

    Starmer authorised the bombing of Iran from Fairford and Diego Garcia

    There is liltle evidence the public hold Badenoch responsible

    Starmer did not keep us out as Italy, Spain and Austria have
    But she wanted us in gung ho and balls deep on an 'ask no questions follow the Trump' basis. It was extremely immature and reflects poorly on her.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,370
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    Badenock should be put in the same straight-jacket as Trump.

    Starmer allowed the B1 and B52s to fly out of Fairford to bomb Iran

    He did not do an Italy, Spain, or Austria
    He's not fellating him in the same way your party's leader is.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    Foxy said:

    DoctorG said:

    Any sign of the four horsemen yet?

    Only a solitary rider on a South American camelid.

    Thats right, it is Alpacalypse now.

    They come from Alpacastan?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,218
    DougSeal said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    Badenock should be put in the same straight-jacket as Trump.

    Starmer allowed the B1 and B52s to fly out of Fairford to bomb Iran

    He did not do an Italy, Spain, or Austria
    He's not fellating him in the same way your party's leader is.
    Crude response, but Starmer is the person who authorised the bombing from UK
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,650
    DougSeal said:

    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    Who is Starmer "backing"? I don't see him backing anyone.
    The thread header is based on the premise that Starmer could be forced to cancel the King’s state visit to America.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,941
    Roger said:

    kinabalu said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
    kinabalu said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
    It's repulsive. Everything that comes out of Netanyahu's mouth is. One of the most grotesque human beings that has ever lived
    I'm not a fan to put it mildly. The Jewish people I know aren't either fwiw.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    williamglenn said:

    DougSeal said:

    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    Who is Starmer "backing"? I don't see him backing anyone.
    The thread header is based on the premise that Starmer could be forced to cancel the King’s state visit to America.
    Trump is Putin's ally in the war against Ukraine.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,621
    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ‪@sirsandgoblin.bsky.social‬

    🚨 In Light Of Global Events, The Official Correct Amount Of Pints Has Been Revised To Five (5) Pints

    I have wine and whisky on standby....
    Drunk mine
    There's always room for more...
    Good point, well made.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,621
    AnneJGP said:

    GIN1138 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Problems on different scales. I have a hospital appointment tomorrow. If the world makes it through that far, will there be any doctors there anyway?

    Hope the appointment isn't for anything too serious, Anne?
    Thank you. Might be something, might be nothing. You have to get it checked to know.
    Good luck Anne. My MIL has been in hospital and has been diagnosed. Strike or not she’s been looked at.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,621
    Eabhal said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    “And tomorrow, we will destroy the primary schools where future IRGC are being taught the times tables”
    What, again

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2026/03/usa-iran-those-responsible-for-deadly-and-unlawful-us-strike-on-school-that-killed-over-100-children-must-be-held-accountable/
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 878
    kinabalu said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
    My sarcasm detector is struggling with that.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,941
    Gaussian said:

    kinabalu said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
    My sarcasm detector is struggling with that.
    Lol, sorry. It'll be bleeping if in good order.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886
    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    kinabalu said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
    kinabalu said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041520046237769853

    PM Netanyahu: “We are crushing the terrorist regime in Iran. But we are doing so with even greater vigor, and increasing force. Yesterday, we destroyed transport planes and dozens of helicopters. Today, we attacked the train tracks and bridges used by the Revolutionary Guards.”

    The bellicosity is unappealing but I suppose if Iran has train tracks and bridges for the exclusive use of the Revolutionary Guards you have to expect them to be targets.
    It's repulsive. Everything that comes out of Netanyahu's mouth is. One of the most grotesque human beings that has ever lived
    I'm not a fan to put it mildly. The Jewish people I know aren't either fwiw.
    He is the single biggest reason for the rise in anti semitism.

    As I wrote the other day, the majority can't compute he's a Zionist, so blame all Jews for his actions.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,129
    Scott_xP said:

    There is a lively discussion about where in the US the 'Nuremberg' trials should take place.

    Strong argument for Philadelphia

    They can even use the same courtroom...

    Trump's excuse will no doubt be that his brain has the texture and thinking power of trifle.

    How do those around him get off?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,767
    Left-wing derangement syndrome: being more upset about Trump than the Iranian regime.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886
    DougSeal said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    Badenock should be put in the same straight-jacket as Trump.

    Starmer allowed the B1 and B52s to fly out of Fairford to bomb Iran

    He did not do an Italy, Spain, or Austria
    He's not fellating him in the same way your party's leader is.
    Big G knows full well they attacked missile sites threatening uk citizens in Emirates.

    He's not stupid, he merely seeks to absolve the gutless gobshite who is leading the Tory Party to extinction.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,783
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    This was a DISASTROUS call from Badenoch.

    She doesn't know that being a siren isn't impressive. It just makes her look unthinking and well short of what the UK expects of its leaders of whatever Party
    And yet it was Starmer who authorised US B1 and B52s bombing of Iran from UK bases

    I have no doubt it'll also damage Starmer. Labour supporters don't like to find themselves in the same corner as a grotesque like Trump as I'm sure his MP's and their constituents will be telling him. The only thing you can say is that he hasn't yet sounded belligerent unlike Badenoch
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886
    OldKingCole said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MarkNicolDM

    EXCL HMS Dragon, the only Royal Navy warship deployed to the conflict with Iran has withdrawn to port for repairs and logistics after experiencing issues with its fresh water supplies, the Mail can reveal

    Which port?
    Another example of Tory wilful reasonable neglect of our armed forces for 14 years left for Labour to try to sort out
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,129
    rcs1000 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Battlebus said:

    UK grid running at 90% renewables now. Who needs oil?

    https://grid.iamkate.com/

    Not only is it 90% renewables, but the UK is (a) filling pumped storage, and (b) exporting electricity. We're slightly over 100% for wind+solar+nuclear, and a sub £50 spot electricity price is nothing to cry about either.
    It is genuinely baffling to me that Reform are so anti renewables.
    The problem is a simple one: if you were an ordinary, unbiased observer looking at the cost of new electricity production in 2006 (during the first renewable energy boom), then then you would have seen solar at GBP250/MWh (at least), and wind at GBP75/MWh, and baseload prices for electricity were GBP30. Now, sure, energy prices were skyrocketing due to the US energy boom not really having started yet, and China's (and other emerging markets) industrialisation was sucking up energy at quite a pace.

    But unless you were *really* worried about global warming, then renewables didn't make a lot of sense.

    Since then, the price of solar has absolutely collapsed - panels are down at least 90%, and now the biggest cost with getting them installed is labour. But unless you've updated your mental model, you will still think that solar is massively more expensive than other forms of energy generation.
    Two observations to go with "indeed".

    The other thing that has fallen through the floor is the cost and feasibility of storage. That changes the shape of the energy solution in ways that most of us haven't really got our heads round.

    And "old mental maps" has always been part of what makes conservatism tick- the reactionary right, even more so. Sometimes, that's the right thing to do, but sometimes it's ignoring new possibilities that make life better.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,984
    noneoftheabove said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Left-wing derangement syndrome: being more upset about Trump than the Iranian regime.

    The Iranian regime, was cruel and malevolent but also was contained and weakened by co-ordinated international solidarity. It was manageable, impact on those outside its borders was low.

    Trump has blown all that up and is now threatening nuclear war and has delivered global economic instability. We will all be poorer. Probably another 5-10 countries will get nuclear weapons, creating further instability and death down the line. And for what? So an old sick man doesn't have to read headlines about allegations against him from teenage girls?


    Indeed. It’s not “derangement syndrome” to be pissed off at Trump for that.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,218
    edited 4:54PM
    Brixian59 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    Badenock should be put in the same straight-jacket as Trump.

    Starmer allowed the B1 and B52s to fly out of Fairford to bomb Iran

    He did not do an Italy, Spain, or Austria
    He's not fellating him in the same way your party's leader is.
    Big G knows full well they attacked missile sites threatening uk citizens in Emirates.

    He's not stupid, he merely seeks to absolve the gutless gobshite who is leading the Tory Party to extinction.
    The B1 and B52s bombed offensively in Iran at the specific approval of Starmer and no amount of abusive rhetoric against Kemi will change that

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    Andy_JS said:

    Left-wing derangement syndrome: being more upset about Trump than the Iranian regime.

    Trump Denial Syndrome (TDS) - n.

    "Trump Denial Syndrome is an affliction where the poor, misguided victim denies that Donald J. Trump is the worst U.S. President in history. In particular, the victim denies that Trump is completely unfit to hold the Office of POTUS by his temperament, actions, and language, denies that the Trump is a racist and misogynist, and denies that he is self-confessed "pussy-grabber". The victim will also deny that Trump is steadily going senile and is increasingly unhinged to put it politely. Moreover, the victim will deny that Trump's opponent Joe Biden won the 2020 Presidential Election fair and square."
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Brixian59 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    Badenock should be put in the same straight-jacket as Trump.

    Starmer allowed the B1 and B52s to fly out of Fairford to bomb Iran

    He did not do an Italy, Spain, or Austria
    He's not fellating him in the same way your party's leader is.
    Big G knows full well they attacked missile sites threatening uk citizens in Emirates.

    He's not stupid, he merely seeks to absolve the gutless gobshite who is leading the Tory Party to extinction.
    The B1 and B52s bombed offensively in Iran at the specific approval of Starmer and no amount of abusive rhetoric againsr Kemi will change that

    Desperate trolling

    Desperate

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,370
    williamglenn said:

    DougSeal said:

    williamglenn said:

    Does Starmer really think it would be a good look to back one of Russia's main allies in the war against Ukraine?

    Who is Starmer "backing"? I don't see him backing anyone.
    The thread header is based on the premise that Starmer could be forced to cancel the King’s state visit to America.
    Again, by doing so, who is he “backing” by doing this? Humanity, morality, opposition to wiping out civilisations for the crimes of a few men? Anything else?

    If you’re saying he’s “backing” the Iranian Government please show your working.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,370
    Andy_JS said:

    Left-wing derangement syndrome: being more upset about Trump than the Iranian regime.

    Right wing idiocy setting up straw men stuffed with false equivalencies again. Plus ca change.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,218
    Brixian59 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Brixian59 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Roger said:

    Badenock should be put in the same straight-jacket as Trump.

    Starmer allowed the B1 and B52s to fly out of Fairford to bomb Iran

    He did not do an Italy, Spain, or Austria
    He's not fellating him in the same way your party's leader is.
    Big G knows full well they attacked missile sites threatening uk citizens in Emirates.

    He's not stupid, he merely seeks to absolve the gutless gobshite who is leading the Tory Party to extinction.
    The B1 and B52s bombed offensively in Iran at the specific approval of Starmer and no amount of abusive rhetoric againsr Kemi will change that

    Desperate trolling

    Desperate

    Explain then who gave permission for B1 and B52s to bomb Iran from UK air bases ?

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886
    Nigelb said:

    Farage wanting his cake and ha'penny.

    I am quite shocked just to hear that. That is over the top in every single way.
    Yes of course he wants to threaten – to get them to the negotiating table. But those words are … they’re way too far.
    Asked if the post was befitting of someone holding the office of the US president, Farage answered:
    He’s an upset, angry American president.
    He’s wholly unconventional but I would remind you of what Churchill said about the bombing of Germany during the war. Some quite extraordinary things were said there as well.

    Comparing this war of choice with WWII ?
    Plonker.

    Like Badenoch it's too late now.

    He's forever, like her, tainted as Trump ass licker who would now have us immersed in a war with Israel and USA.

    God knows how many body bags would be back here now and god knows how many terror attacks in the UK would have potentially killed a multitude of innocent civilians.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,618
    Scott_xP said:

    @MarkNicolDM

    EXCL HMS Dragon, the only Royal Navy warship deployed to the conflict with Iran has withdrawn to port for repairs and logistics after experiencing issues with its fresh water supplies, the Mail can reveal

    Its replacement would have been the Glen Sannox, but...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,360
    To think this is all happening because some people don't like diversity, equity and inclusion.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,864
    FF43 said:

    To think this is all happening because some people don't like diversity, equity and inclusion.

    Equality.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,767
    "Trump going 'way too far' in Iran threats, says Farage

    Reform leader Nigel Farage has criticised the latest rhetoric from the White House."

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-wes-streeting-doctors-strike-labour-keir-starmer-iran-war-12593360
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,863
    rottenborough said:

    When Tucker is the rational one...



    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    Tucker Carlson: "It is vile on every level. It begins with a promise to use the US military, our military, to destroy civilian infrastructure in another country, which is to say, to commit a war crime, a moral crime against the people of the country. Those people who are in direct contact with the president need to say 'No. I'll resign. I'll do whatever I can do legally to stop this, because this is insane. And if given the order, I'm not carrying it out.'"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041550163144036699

    This is the US’s Suez moment. But instead of another nation having a strong word, it needs to be senior figures in the military and the administration. Do those people have the backbone to tell him it’s gone too far?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,360
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FF43 said:

    To think this is all happening because some people don't like diversity, equity and inclusion.

    Equality.
    I think that's liberty, equality and fraternity - not much of that either.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,698
    solarflare said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MarkNicolDM

    EXCL HMS Dragon, the only Royal Navy warship deployed to the conflict with Iran has withdrawn to port for repairs and logistics after experiencing issues with its fresh water supplies, the Mail can reveal

    Its replacement would have been the Glen Sannox, but...
    A very hard look at the RN is due. I'm not sure they actually deliver anything at all currently - at best they can manage to hide the disaster that are the aircraft carriers. I have no doubt there's good intent somewhere, but it seems hard to discern. The documentaries surrounding the Navy just make things worse.

    I see some very useful recruits getting their trainers apparently free of charge. (Alas the ability to actually be an imposing naval figure that could whip them in to shape has also been lost)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,218
    Ratters said:

    I understood the use of UK bases for 'defensive' strikes at the time given the strike on Cyprus and balancing political interests. It was walking a political and diplomatic tightrope.

    Now that Trump is the one threatening war crimes against civilians infrastructure, Starmer should have the courage to change course and join Spain and others in banning the UK bases for any Iranian military action until further notice.

    The maniac needs to be told he's crossing the line by as many people as possible. The UK government needs to be one of them.

    I suspect it is too late not least with the attacks on Kharg Island today

    Starmer is very quiet in the media today
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,172
    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump going 'way too far' in Iran threats, says Farage

    Reform leader Nigel Farage has criticised the latest rhetoric from the White House."

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-wes-streeting-doctors-strike-labour-keir-starmer-iran-war-12593360

    The photo of him and Trumpski in the Oval Office together should be on every Labour leaflet.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,172
    Ratters said:

    I understood the use of UK bases for 'defensive' strikes at the time given the strike on Cyprus and balancing political interests. It was walking a political and diplomatic tightrope.

    Now that Trump is the one threatening war crimes against civilians infrastructure, Starmer should have the courage to change course and join Spain and others in banning the UK bases for any Iranian military action until further notice.

    The maniac needs to be told he's crossing the line by as many people as possible. The UK government needs to be one of them.

    In private there also needs to be clear consequences set for any use of nuclear weapons, including but not limited to permanent expulsion of US military from UK territory.
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