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  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,481

    Leon said:

    Here’s a question for PBers. I’ve been arguing it with my brother but it might interest the forum

    Has the west. - as in, the entire west - ever been so badly governed? Everywhere you look there is total mediocrity at best, or asinine stupidity. Keir Starmer is a vain, thick, footling and treacherous wanker who thinks he’s smart. Trump is much worse. Metz lol. Macron at least is clever but his home life IS fucking disturbing and he’s barely achieved anything

    Carney shows some spine and brains but it’s far too early to tell

    And is democracy finished if this is what it produces?

    As Churchill once said:

    "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."



    It’s a great quote I’m just not sure it’s true any more. Technocracy might be better. Especially in an age when people are very quickly getting stupider, with IQs plunging around the world and technology likely to accelerate this process
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,114
    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,784

    Finally bit the bullet, and filled up at Tesco Ilford North - diesel 1.86 a litre :grimace:

    If that's your old ULEZ-failing smokestack you're going to be paying twice for that diesel ;-)
    Service day at the garage down the road :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,481

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
  • isamisam Posts: 43,924
    New from @Ipsos_in_the_UK

    When offered a binary choice the public prefer a Starmer led Labour government to Farage led Reform one by 40-32.

    Of course getting the public to vote in that way is a different question




    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/2039761768411509099?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,011

    stodge said:

    The medium sized news in East Ham and Barking continues to be fuel prices.

    At my local Tesco's, E10 unleaded is now 149.9p per litre with diesel 179.9p per litre. That's a rise of 7p in the last 48 hours.

    Call me a bluff old cynic but it seems curious the price has jumped just as we reach the Easter holiday for all oil prices continue to gyrate around like I used to at the student disco back in the late Triassic.

    At a nearby Shell station, petrol was 155,9p per litre and diesel 182.9p but no queues and all pumps fully stocked.

    That unleaded is cheaper than I can find here in Gloucestershire.

    I think I'll drive down and get some.
    A rare 146.9 in Gloucester still......

    https://www.petrolprices.com/locations/gloucester/st-ann-way/25768
    As I mentioned earlier, count your lucky stars. It’s comfortably over £2 in France for unleaded. Diesel requires a mortgage.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,784
    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    Mickey Mouse would be a lot better than Trump!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,841
    Leon said:

    To add to the debate. One of the main arguments offered in favour of Israel is that it is “the only democracy in the region”

    Which is true to an extent but that so-called democracy has now delivered 18 years - 18 years! - of the corrupt and contemptible Bibi Netanyahu as prime minister and that same democracy has now introduced an overtly race-based death penalty aimed at one minority, something even apartheid South Africa never quite managed

    So what’s the fucking big deal about Israel being democratic if democracy produces this?

    It's a point. Donald Trump is also duly elected and in a sense this only adds to the horror of him. Because it reflects on the people. They'd be more mitigation if he was there via military coup. But the upside is the people (we hope) can rectify their error and this at the end of the day is the biggest USP of democracy. It doesn't prevent power being abused but it provides the best mechanism to stop it happening too overtly for too long.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,011
    edited 7:15PM
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    He’s have gone much further than even Trump in pulling support from Ukraine, possibly to the extent of starting covert support for Russia. His ideology is not far off Tucker’s.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,114
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    I seem to remember a poster with a similar posting style to yours, perhaps a different name, making the same kind of post complaining about bedwetters warning that Trump would be a disaster. Whatever happened to them, I wonder if they have learnt the error of their ways.......bizarrely they also managed to back the Boris, Truss, Starmer combo! Hard to imagine worse judgment.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,724
    Is anyone interested in New Retro Wave music?

    This is my favourite so far - System Glow / Cities. Sounds like it really could be from the late 1980s.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qRpOD5Ipl8
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,969
    An important header, thank you.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,482
    edited 7:18PM
    Leon said:

    Here’s a question for PBers. I’ve been arguing it with my brother but it might interest the forum

    Has the west. - as in, the entire west - ever been so badly governed? Everywhere you look there is total mediocrity at best, or asinine stupidity. Keir Starmer is a vain, thick, footling and treacherous wanker who thinks he’s smart. Trump is much worse. Metz lol. Macron at least is clever but his home life IS fucking disturbing and he’s barely achieved anything

    Carney shows some spine and brains but it’s far too early to tell

    And is democracy finished if this is what it produces?

    Democracy doesn’t guarantee good leaders. We are living though in age which would test any leader, maybe that’s part of the problem .

    Not sure crap leadership is just a sign of current times . There’s been plenty of useless leaders in the past.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,223
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    Vance is also proper Christian, a genuine Roman Catholic unlike evangelical only for show Trump
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,481
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To add to the debate. One of the main arguments offered in favour of Israel is that it is “the only democracy in the region”

    Which is true to an extent but that so-called democracy has now delivered 18 years - 18 years! - of the corrupt and contemptible Bibi Netanyahu as prime minister and that same democracy has now introduced an overtly race-based death penalty aimed at one minority, something even apartheid South Africa never quite managed

    So what’s the fucking big deal about Israel being democratic if democracy produces this?

    It's a point. Donald Trump is also duly elected and in a sense this only adds to the horror of him. Because it reflects on the people. They'd be more mitigation if he was there via military coup. But the upside is the people (we hope) can rectify their error and this at the end of the day is the biggest USP of democracy. It doesn't prevent power being abused but it provides the best mechanism to stop it happening too overtly for too long.
    But voters are getting stupider and stupider. This is a real thing. IQs are speedily declining and smart phones and other tech are only accelerating this

    At what point does the wisdom of crowds become the idiocy or madness of crowds? Or the bigotry of the majority, as in Israel?

    The you have to add in the way democratic social media makes a political life deeply unappealing to all but the most inane, banal and/or power obsessed which is how Britain ended up with a serious of ridiculous losers culminating in Skyr Toolmakersson
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,114

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    Mickey Mouse would be a lot better than Trump!
    Nah, the other big cheeses wouldn't be willing to meet with him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,223
    isam said:

    New from @Ipsos_in_the_UK

    When offered a binary choice the public prefer a Starmer led Labour government to Farage led Reform one by 40-32.

    Of course getting the public to vote in that way is a different question




    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/2039761768411509099?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Only tactical voting will deliver that though
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,817

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    The monthly variation in energy generation is so large that it has not entirely dissimilar disadvantages to wind/solar, requiring either massive storage or overcapacity - so it's about price.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,768
    One of my friends here in LA used to work with Usher Vance when she was a lawyer. (And before she was Mrs Vance.)

    I asked how she was, and he said "very smart, very ambitious, and very strange."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,817
    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    Assumes facts not in evidence.

    He'd certainly be different.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,784
    rcs1000 said:

    One of my friends here in LA used to work with Usher Vance when she was a lawyer. (And before she was Mrs Vance.)

    I asked how she was, and he said "very smart, very ambitious, and very strange."

    Usha.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,421
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    MAGA people can sometimes tell very good jokes


    “Did you know: all five of the US flags planted by the Apollo missions have been bleached white by the UV rays which means now the moon technically belongs to France”

    https://x.com/msmelchen/status/2039692192088760428?s=46

    11, 12, not13, 14, 15, 16, 17

    Six flags
    What a rollercoaster of emotions.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,768

    rcs1000 said:

    One of my friends here in LA used to work with Usher Vance when she was a lawyer. (And before she was Mrs Vance.)

    I asked how she was, and he said "very smart, very ambitious, and very strange."

    Usha.
    Oops.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 478
    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    The medium sized news in East Ham and Barking continues to be fuel prices.

    At my local Tesco's, E10 unleaded is now 149.9p per litre with diesel 179.9p per litre. That's a rise of 7p in the last 48 hours.

    Call me a bluff old cynic but it seems curious the price has jumped just as we reach the Easter holiday for all oil prices continue to gyrate around like I used to at the student disco back in the late Triassic.

    At a nearby Shell station, petrol was 155,9p per litre and diesel 182.9p but no queues and all pumps fully stocked.

    I don't care what the apologists say. They put prices up at any and every opportunity.
    Rather like Labour governments and taxes.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,646
    Leon said:

    Here’s a question for PBers. I’ve been arguing it with my brother but it might interest the forum

    Has the west. - as in, the entire west - ever been so badly governed? Everywhere you look there is total mediocrity at best, or asinine stupidity. Keir Starmer is a vain, thick, footling and treacherous wanker who thinks he’s smart. Trump is much worse. Metz lol. Macron at least is clever but his home life IS fucking disturbing and he’s barely achieved anything

    Carney shows some spine and brains but it’s far too early to tell

    And is democracy finished if this is what it produces?

    We're in the Caligula era of democracy. We boomers have enjoyed, and now trashed, the best of it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,583
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To add to the debate. One of the main arguments offered in favour of Israel is that it is “the only democracy in the region”

    Which is true to an extent but that so-called democracy has now delivered 18 years - 18 years! - of the corrupt and contemptible Bibi Netanyahu as prime minister and that same democracy has now introduced an overtly race-based death penalty aimed at one minority, something even apartheid South Africa never quite managed

    So what’s the fucking big deal about Israel being democratic if democracy produces this?

    It's a point. Donald Trump is also duly elected and in a sense this only adds to the horror of him. Because it reflects on the people. They'd be more mitigation if he was there via military coup. But the upside is the people (we hope) can rectify their error and this at the end of the day is the biggest USP of democracy. It doesn't prevent power being abused but it provides the best mechanism to stop it happening too overtly for too long.
    But voters are getting stupider and stupider. This is a real thing. IQs are speedily declining and smart phones and other tech are only accelerating this

    At what point does the wisdom of crowds become the idiocy or madness of crowds? Or the bigotry of the majority, as in Israel?

    The you have to add in the way democratic social media makes a political life deeply unappealing to all but the most inane, banal and/or power obsessed which is how Britain ended up with a serious of ridiculous losers culminating in Skyr Toolmakersson
    One of the good things about a constitutional monarchy is that we can reinvent the system without ripping everything down.

    We could revert to having the PM appointed by the king, similar to the way the England football manager is appointed. Maybe even shop abroad to find a political Sven-Göran Eriksson to run the government.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,107
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    Vance is also proper Christian, a genuine Roman Catholic unlike evangelical only for show Trump
    What's a proper Christian
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,421

    Leon said:

    Here’s a question for PBers. I’ve been arguing it with my brother but it might interest the forum

    Has the west. - as in, the entire west - ever been so badly governed? Everywhere you look there is total mediocrity at best, or asinine stupidity. Keir Starmer is a vain, thick, footling and treacherous wanker who thinks he’s smart. Trump is much worse. Metz lol. Macron at least is clever but his home life IS fucking disturbing and he’s barely achieved anything

    Carney shows some spine and brains but it’s far too early to tell

    And is democracy finished if this is what it produces?

    We're in the Caligula era of democracy. We boomers have enjoyed, and now trashed, the best of it.
    Like the economy, budget, housing and everything else.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,841
    Gosh. A rare instance of me agreeing with Leon. I'd take Vance over Trump. If that happened tomorrow I'd feel better than I do today. Donald Trump should be nowhere near political power of any description let alone be the US president. It's not a debate afaic.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,421

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    Vance is also proper Christian, a genuine Roman Catholic unlike evangelical only for show Trump
    What's a proper Christian
    Someone who hates gays, abortion and most importantly does NOT believe in turning the other cheek, helping the poor or any of that other hippy dippy lefty liberal crap.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,089
    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    The monthly variation in energy generation is so large that it has not entirely dissimilar disadvantages to wind/solar, requiring either massive storage or overcapacity - so it's about price.
    Er no.

    The variation can be designed into your tidal pond system, so that the rated power for the system is based on the lightest tides.

    This costs very little extra in the system - in most places the range of values for high tide don’t vary by *that* much.

    In addition because the tide is offset as you move round the coast, a series of tidal ponds, carefully sited, can provide 24/7 coverage to a national grid.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,784

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    Vance is also proper Christian, a genuine Roman Catholic unlike evangelical only for show Trump
    What's a proper Christian
    Proper Christianity for Proper People!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,779
    @Taz here's an article showing the ward by ward predictions for the NE councils from the Bombe modelling.

    https://modernleft.substack.com/p/exclusive-labour-facing-historic
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,107
    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,872
    rcs1000 said:

    One of my friends here in LA used to work with Usher Vance when she was a lawyer. (And before she was Mrs Vance.)

    I asked how she was, and he said "very smart, very ambitious, and very strange."

    Well she did marry the chameleon that goes by the name of Vance.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,421

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,223
    edited 7:39PM

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    Vance is also proper Christian, a genuine Roman Catholic unlike evangelical only for show Trump
    What's a proper Christian
    Someone who hates gays, abortion and most importantly does NOT believe in turning the other cheek,
    helping the poor or any of that other
    hippy dippy lefty liberal crap.
    I don't think that is really true either,
    Vance himself came from a pretty
    poor family in small town Ohio. Here he is visiting a foodbank

    https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/sen-vance-visits-greater-cleveland-food-bank-as-discussions-continue-over-raising-u-s-debt-ceiling
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,107
    Not content with losing the actual war, the US are going to lose the propaganda/information war as well

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iran's Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi: “There's one striking difference between the present and the Stone Age: there was no oil or gas being pumped in the Middle East back then.

    “Are POTUS and Americans who put him in office sure that they want to turn back the clock?”

    Araghchi: “Striking civilian structures, including unfinished bridges, will not compel Iranians to surrender.

    “It only conveys the defeat and moral collapse of an enemy in disarray. Every bridge and building will be built back stronger. What will never recover: damage to America's standing."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,872
    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,646
    O/T Somebody on here recommended The History of English podcast recently. It's a good recommendation.

    https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/episodes/

    I am only on episode 21 of (currently) 188 but is does offer a fascinating insight into the history of the English language and Western civilisation more generally. A great listen on car journeys if music is not your thing and the news has become too depressing.

    My only criticism is that there is a little too much repetition at times in making key points. But that's only a minor issue.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,872
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    Vance is also proper Christian, a genuine Roman Catholic unlike evangelical only for show Trump
    What's a proper Christian
    Someone who hates gays, abortion and most importantly does NOT believe in turning the other cheek, helping the poor or any of that other hippy dippy lefty liberal crap.
    I don't think that is really true either, Vance himself came from a pretty poor family in rural Ohio
    Urban Ohio. His father worked in a steelworks, his mother a nurse, so middle class.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,583
    https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2039781633516093767

    Jordan's parliament speaker calls for a post-war joint defense and economic treaty encompassing the Arab world to defend against Iran, who he says is considering reviving the Persian Empire and wants to incite Shiites across the Arab world
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,646
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
    How are they going to find it to read it?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,779

    O/T Somebody on here recommended The History of English podcast recently. It's a good recommendation.

    https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/episodes/

    I am only on episode 21 of (currently) 188 but is does offer a fascinating insight into the history of the English language and Western civilisation more generally. A great listen on car journeys if music is not your thing and the news has become too depressing.

    My only criticism is that there is a little too much repetition at times in making key points. But that's only a minor issue.

    Gotta have some repetition to fill 188 episodes.
    The language will have significantly evolved by the time you finish them.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,646

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    An array of tidal schemes around Britain would provide a constant and consistent baseline capacity.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,107
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
    So every house in the street should do it...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,872

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
    How are they going to find it to read it?
    If only there was some sort of system to navigate it would revolutionise the world.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,107
    Iran has started targeting data centres in neighbouring countries
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,958

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    An array of tidal schemes around Britain would provide a constant and consistent baseline capacity.
    Other than lack of government ambition and imagination, and the reluctance of the civil service to do anything that doesn't directly benefit London - is there a reason tidal is so overlooked?

    Or have I covered all the main bases?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,223
    edited 7:53PM
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    Vance is also proper Christian, a genuine Roman Catholic unlike evangelical only for show Trump
    What's a proper Christian
    Someone who hates gays, abortion and most importantly does NOT believe in turning the other cheek, helping the poor or any of that other hippy dippy lefty liberal crap.
    I don't think that is really true either, Vance himself came from a pretty
    poor family in rural
    Ohio
    Urban Ohio. His father worked in a
    steelworks, his mother a nurse, so
    middle class.
    His father was certainly white
    working class, his mother struggled with drug addiction and after their divorce he was mainly raised by his grandparents
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,107
    @JenniferJJacobs

    Advisors close to Trump considered the idea of moving US Attorney General Pam Bondi to another senior role in the admin, including director of national intelligence.
    But Trump has said he wants Tulsi Gabbard to stay in that position, sources told me.
    @CBSNews
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,784
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    Vance is also proper Christian, a genuine Roman Catholic unlike evangelical only for show Trump
    What's a proper Christian
    Someone who hates gays, abortion and most importantly does NOT believe in turning the other cheek, helping the poor or any of that other hippy dippy lefty liberal crap.
    I don't think that is really true either, Vance himself came from a pretty poor family in rural Ohio
    Urban Ohio. His father worked in a steelworks, his mother a nurse, so middle class.
    "Yee-haw! What's on your mind, hillbilly?"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,817
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    One of my friends here in LA used to work with Usher Vance when she was a lawyer. (And before she was Mrs Vance.)

    I asked how she was, and he said "very smart, very ambitious, and very strange."

    Usha.
    Oops.
    Were you predicting the fall of the spouse of Usher ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,872
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran has started targeting data centres in neighbouring countries

    This is the target list.



    Looks like a hearts and minds campaign. Pretty please Palantir next.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,481
    kinabalu said:

    Gosh. A rare instance of me agreeing with Leon. I'd take Vance over Trump. If that happened tomorrow I'd feel better than I do today. Donald Trump should be nowhere near political power of any description let alone be the US president. It's not a debate afaic.

    In the spirit of goodwill I will do the same for you. You more accurately judged Trump than me

    I have long seen him as a buffoon and a menace. Remember I compared him to the polar bear on a slowly melting ice floe. You shoot the polar bear first then deal with the melting ice. I saw the threat

    So I was right in that BUT you were more accurate in your analysis of Trump’s madness. He’s worse than a buffoon. His character flaws make him actively malignant whatever happens

    Plus he’s probably captured by Kremlin kompromat
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,646
    dixiedean said:

    O/T Somebody on here recommended The History of English podcast recently. It's a good recommendation.

    https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/episodes/

    I am only on episode 21 of (currently) 188 but is does offer a fascinating insight into the history of the English language and Western civilisation more generally. A great listen on car journeys if music is not your thing and the news has become too depressing.

    My only criticism is that there is a little too much repetition at times in making key points. But that's only a minor issue.

    Gotta have some repetition to fill 188 episodes.
    The language will have significantly evolved by the time you finish them.
    Maybe. It is certainly long and detailed. The early episodes are 30-45 mins each but the most recent is over 90 mins.

    Episode 188 has reached 1620 so there will surely be well over 250 episodes by the time we get to the current era. I have only reached the emergence of proto-Germanic around 500BC. It is weirdly interesting and well presented though.
  • HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    New from @Ipsos_in_the_UK

    When offered a binary choice the public prefer a Starmer led Labour government to Farage led Reform one by 40-32.

    Of course getting the public to vote in that way is a different question




    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/2039761768411509099?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Only tactical voting will deliver that though
    Worst government ever apparently and yet a complete reverse from a few months ago. How hated must Farage be?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 23,029

    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    The monthly variation in energy generation is so large that it has not entirely dissimilar disadvantages to wind/solar, requiring either massive storage or overcapacity - so it's about price.
    Er no.

    The variation can be designed into your tidal pond system, so that the rated power for the system is based on the lightest tides.

    This costs very little extra in the system - in most places the range of values for high tide don’t vary by *that* much.

    In addition because the tide is offset as you move round the coast, a series of tidal ponds, carefully sited, can provide 24/7 coverage to a national grid.
    One thing we need is a truly national grid, able to move a lot more energy from one end of the country to the other (and then beyond).
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,395
    Evening all :)

    On the questions raised by @Leon, I think the end of ideology has a lot to do with it.

    When you had ideology, you had belief, a conviction (so to speak) good Government would do right by the people of the country and whether as provider or enabler, the State, in whatever form, could deliver safety, security and prosperity and, above all, the future so our children would not have to sacrifice what we had to in order to enjoy a better life.

    All ideologies have failed - Communism and Fascism were discredited in the 20th century and now even liberalism, conservatism, socialism and social democracy have all failed or are perceived to have failed. Thus do we have Government with a more limited purpose.

    Demographic, social and technological change and challenges have further undermined traditional ideologies. Notions of "left" and "right" are meaningless except as perjoratives and indeed all we have very often is politics by insult, by allegation or by rumour.

    We are in a prolonged technocratic era - in truth, the political party of a Government is largely irrelevant. They are forced to govern in thesame way with minor tweaks. You can either be led by John Jackson or Jack Johnson yet seemingly the closer the parties are, the more vitriolic the nature of the debate -possibly due to social media. Imagine if X had existed in 1920s Germany or here during Munich or Suez.

    In the face of rapid change and absent a prevailing ideological alternative, politicians look lost. Will we see new ideologies emerge? Probably - I'd be thinking about a post-work world or a more environmentally challenged world or an increasingly infertile world as bases for new political thought. All I do know is we can't solve 21st century problems with 20th century solutions.

    At the core of all this is the failure of the basic contract between Government and governed - we expect Government to ensure the world is a better place for our children. We want our children to be richer, happier, healthier, safer etc. That is breaking down - part of the response is for people not to want to bring children into what is perceived as a dystopia. Part is hostility or cynicism to all forms of authority and governance - "they're all the same". Part is to withdraw from the political process.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,958
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
    Surely the flintknapper gazette pays enough that leon doesn't need to have a side-gig?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,081

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    An array of tidal schemes around Britain would provide a constant and consistent baseline capacity.
    Like a lot of stuff, probably overtaken by events. Chemicals in batteries are just a better energy store, and the cost has come down far more than most people expected even relatively recently. Same goes for solar.

    Here's a bit of green propganda for schools/the basis for quite a nice lesson from 2005 or so...
    https://beep.ac.uk/content/718.0.html

    And a reminder of the limits of battery technology in 1985...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,817
    Moulton: I know active duty Marines who now refer to Pete Hegseth’s department as the department of war crimes. That's because they do things like this, destroy civilian infrastructure, which, just to be clear, is a war crime. It's meant to hurt civilians.

    This is the same stuff that we criticize Vladimir Putin for doing in Ukraine.

    He doesn't know how to get out. So what is he doing? He's resorting to war crimes. It's an embarrassment.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2039765959888756839
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,646
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
    How are they going to find it to read it?
    If only there was some sort of system to navigate it would revolutionise the world.
    We have had some trouble getting deliveries to our newly built house a since we moved in. Bizarrely (to me at least) the two companies who struggled most were Amazon and DPD.

    Amazon apparently have their own map which their drivers use and in their wisdom had put our house on the wrong side of the village - enough to flummox their time constrained drivers. This was only resolved when we cancelled our Amazon prime, prompting a real person to call us. I gave them our actual Lat and Long from Google maps and problem solved.

    I was told that DPD haven't updated their delivery address database since spring 2024, which seems utterly crazy... for a delivery company.

    Neither were at all interested when I offered them our what.three.words address.

    (File under First World Problems)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,768

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    Predictable does bring with it certain advantages: a battery operator will be more likely to 'empty' their cells at a time of high demand, if it knows that [x]GW of cheap tidal is coming on stream in four hours time. If it doesn't know when it will be able to next 'fill up', it might well leave some electrons undisturbed.

    (With that said, wind and solar -on shortish time horizons- are pretty predictable these days. Network operators know when clouds -or even a single cloud- is about to cross over a solar farm, and what impact that will have on production, for instance.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,059
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    But he is very much in the pocket of the Project 2025 financiers. They will find him easier to do their bidding than Trump. America could be very much changed by the end of his term under their control.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,583
    Nigelb said:

    Moulton: I know active duty Marines who now refer to Pete Hegseth’s department as the department of war crimes. That's because they do things like this, destroy civilian infrastructure, which, just to be clear, is a war crime. It's meant to hurt civilians.

    This is the same stuff that we criticize Vladimir Putin for doing in Ukraine.

    He doesn't know how to get out. So what is he doing? He's resorting to war crimes. It's an embarrassment.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2039765959888756839

    Is it a war crime for Ukraine to target the Kerch strait bridge?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,089

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    Tidewater predictably offset as you move round the coast of the U.K.

    If you site your lagoons correctly, the peaks are at different times. The individual lagoons spread the peak power, at each location. This adds up to continuous power delivered to the grid 24/7.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,213
    stodge said:

    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    The medium sized news in East Ham and Barking continues to be fuel prices.

    At my local Tesco's, E10 unleaded is now 149.9p per litre with diesel 179.9p per litre. That's a rise of 7p in the last 48 hours.

    Call me a bluff old cynic but it seems curious the price has jumped just as we reach the Easter holiday for all oil prices continue to gyrate around like I used to at the student disco back in the late Triassic.

    At a nearby Shell station, petrol was 155,9p per litre and diesel 182.9p but no queues and all pumps fully stocked.

    I don't care what the apologists say. They put prices up at any and every opportunity.
    If they were 142.9 in London a couple of days ago, they were in the cheapest 5-10% of local petrol stations. Even today at 149,9 they will be well under London average. So clearly they are not just putting prices up at every opportunity or they would be high 150s by now.
    I was once told the East London petrol stations were among some of the cheapest because of their proximity to Coryton Refinery but I don't know if that's true.

    Sainsbury's at Beckton was also 149.9p per litre for petrol but Shell in Barking was 155.9pper litre which makes me wonder whether the supermarkets are absorbing some of the petrol costs.
    There’s a station right next to the Ellesmere Port refinery which is significantly cheaper than anywhere else in the area. Probably plumbed directly into the refinery so there’s no shipping costs!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,089
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    Predictable does bring with it certain advantages: a battery operator will be more likely to 'empty' their cells at a time of high demand, if it knows that [x]GW of cheap tidal is coming on stream in four hours time. If it doesn't know when it will be able to next 'fill up', it might well leave some electrons undisturbed.

    (With that said, wind and solar -on shortish time horizons- are pretty predictable these days. Network operators know when clouds -or even a single cloud- is about to cross over a solar farm, and what impact that will have on production, for instance.)
    You could also run various industrial processes to coincide with power from a tidal system.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,213

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
    How are they going to find it to read it?
    If only there was some sort of system to navigate it would revolutionise the world.
    We have had some trouble getting deliveries to our newly built house a since we moved in. Bizarrely (to me at least) the two companies who struggled most were Amazon and DPD.

    Amazon apparently have their own map which their drivers use and in their wisdom had put our house on the wrong side of the village - enough to flummox their time constrained drivers. This was only resolved when we cancelled our Amazon prime, prompting a real person to call us. I gave them our actual Lat and Long from Google maps and problem solved.

    I was told that DPD haven't updated their delivery address database since spring 2024, which seems utterly crazy... for a delivery company.

    Neither were at all interested when I offered them our what.three.words address.

    (File under First World Problems)
    IIRC what.three.words charges for commercial use so large delivery companies probably won’t let their drivers use them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,018
    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    ·
    41m
    BREAKING: Iran says the Strait of Hormuz will remain closed long-term for both the US and Israel.

    US oil prices have officially marked their highest close since June 2022.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,817

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is @Andy_JS the only Trump supporter here?

    Given the alternative is JD Vance, I'm a reluctant Trumper for the next couple of years!
    Vance would be a lot better than Trump
    For far right Christian ethno-nationalists who hate western society, sure.
    Hysterical bedwetting

    Vance is not a far right Christian ethno nationalist. His wife is bloody Indian!

    He’s bent in the wind to accommodate the hurricane that is Trump but I suspect he’d be quite a capable president. He’s clever and he thinks ahead. He would not have done Iran. Certainly not in the way Trump has done it

    He wouldn’t be to your taste, he is firmly right wing. But he’s not mad and he’s not compromised by Epstein
    But he is very much in the pocket of the Project 2025 financiers. They will find him easier to do their bidding than Trump. America could be very much changed by the end of his term under their control.
    Trump is manipulated, as far as that is possible; Vance is owned.

    In any event, the GOP nominee almost certainly won't win, unless it's fixed.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,646
    Phil said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
    How are they going to find it to read it?
    If only there was some sort of system to navigate it would revolutionise the world.
    We have had some trouble getting deliveries to our newly built house a since we moved in. Bizarrely (to me at least) the two companies who struggled most were Amazon and DPD.

    Amazon apparently have their own map which their drivers use and in their wisdom had put our house on the wrong side of the village - enough to flummox their time constrained drivers. This was only resolved when we cancelled our Amazon prime, prompting a real person to call us. I gave them our actual Lat and Long from Google maps and problem solved.

    I was told that DPD haven't updated their delivery address database since spring 2024, which seems utterly crazy... for a delivery company.

    Neither were at all interested when I offered them our what.three.words address.

    (File under First World Problems)
    IIRC what.three.words charges for commercial use so large delivery companies probably won’t let their drivers use them.
    Ah, makes sense
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,075
    So, while the US use several $7m patriot missiles to try and stop an incoming Iranian drone a Ukrainian housewife uses a shotgun mounted on a drone and bring one down for about 30c. https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:lfxlhdtxkyczcuroq4q2umqy/post/3mij3xu7en227?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F2026%2F4%2F2%2F2375882%2F-Russian-stuff-blowing-up-Russian-general-killed-in-Crimea-plane-crash

    Quite incredible footage.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,768
    DavidL said:

    So, while the US use several $7m patriot missiles to try and stop an incoming Iranian drone a Ukrainian housewife uses a shotgun mounted on a drone and bring one down for about 30c. https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:lfxlhdtxkyczcuroq4q2umqy/post/3mij3xu7en227?ref_src=embed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstories%2F2026%2F4%2F2%2F2375882%2F-Russian-stuff-blowing-up-Russian-general-killed-in-Crimea-plane-crash

    Quite incredible footage.

    That also shows you just how much Russia has fucked Ukraine.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,107
    Nigelb said:

    Moulton: I know active duty Marines who now refer to Pete Hegseth’s department as the department of war crimes. That's because they do things like this, destroy civilian infrastructure, which, just to be clear, is a war crime. It's meant to hurt civilians.

    This is the same stuff that we criticize Vladimir Putin for doing in Ukraine.

    He doesn't know how to get out. So what is he doing? He's resorting to war crimes. It's an embarrassment.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2039765959888756839

    @cbsnews.com‬

    Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has asked Army Chief of Staff Gen. Randy George to
    step down, sources say.

    https://bsky.app/profile/cbsnews.com/post/3mijyzgh3hs2u
  • TresTres Posts: 3,549

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Evening

    I am returned from my constitutional with a burning question for the PB brain trust.

    I passed a house that one of those hand carved name plates at the gate, but as well as the house name it had a ///what.three.words location inscribed on it.

    The question this poses is, what are the circumstances where you find yourself outside this property but

    - don't know where you are?
    - don't know how you got there?

    ???

    It probably is for the benefit of delivery drivers.
    How are they going to find it to read it?
    If only there was some sort of system to navigate it would revolutionise the world.
    We have had some trouble getting deliveries to our newly built house a since we moved in. Bizarrely (to me at least) the two companies who struggled most were Amazon and DPD.

    Amazon apparently have their own map which their drivers use and in their wisdom had put our house on the wrong side of the village - enough to flummox their time constrained drivers. This was only resolved when we cancelled our Amazon prime, prompting a real person to call us. I gave them our actual Lat and Long from Google maps and problem solved.

    I was told that DPD haven't updated their delivery address database since spring 2024, which seems utterly crazy... for a delivery company.

    Neither were at all interested when I offered them our what.three.words address.

    (File under First World Problems)
    My car's GPS was very upset last weekend when i was using the Silvertown tunnel which it claimed did not exist.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,768

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    Tidewater predictably offset as you move round the coast of the U.K.

    If you site your lagoons correctly, the peaks are at different times. The individual lagoons spread the peak power, at each location. This adds up to continuous power delivered to the grid 24/7.
    While that's true... not all parts of the UK are equally suitable for large tidal barrages. So, you probably couldn't replicate a large baseload plant that easily.

    That said: the promoters say it's pretty inexpensive, so let's try it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,768

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    MAGA people can sometimes tell very good jokes


    “Did you know: all five of the US flags planted by the Apollo missions have been bleached white by the UV rays which means now the moon technically belongs to France”

    https://x.com/msmelchen/status/2039692192088760428?s=46

    11, 12, not13, 14, 15, 16, 17

    Six flags
    What a rollercoaster of emotions.
    Well I got it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,817
    I've had this conversation with like 20 people at this point but people who know the ex-USSR are the only people who understand what's happening in America.

    A significant portion of the American elite has lost interest in the American project and is stripping the walls of copper wiring, and the American people are letting them do it because they're in denial and obsessed with the equivalents of Limonov and Kashpirovsky.

    https://x.com/ThatchEffendi/status/2039766157247263194
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,864

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    An array of tidal schemes around Britain would provide a constant and consistent baseline capacity.
    Like a lot of stuff, probably overtaken by events. Chemicals in batteries are just a better energy store, and the cost has come down far more than most people expected even relatively recently. Same goes for solar.

    Here's a bit of green propganda for schools/the basis for quite a nice lesson from 2005 or so...
    https://beep.ac.uk/content/718.0.html

    And a reminder of the limits of battery technology in 1985...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5
    It’s a very cool idea - but it doesn’t solve the spring/neap cycle, and so the baseline power would be a couple of GW at an absolute maximum (guessing), and you’d have to build them all around the UK.

    Severn neap is 1GW, spring 8GW - that’s a range similar to wind. The pond required to sustain 1GW in a neap would be enormous, something like 8 Diwornigs, filled during a spring, at 5m depth that’s what 1/10th of the size of Wales?

    We should do it just because working out the maths is so fun.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,081
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    An array of tidal schemes around Britain would provide a constant and consistent baseline capacity.
    Like a lot of stuff, probably overtaken by events. Chemicals in batteries are just a better energy store, and the cost has come down far more than most people expected even relatively recently. Same goes for solar.

    Here's a bit of green propganda for schools/the basis for quite a nice lesson from 2005 or so...
    https://beep.ac.uk/content/718.0.html

    And a reminder of the limits of battery technology in 1985...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5
    It’s a very cool idea - but it doesn’t solve the spring/neap cycle, and so the baseline power would be a couple of GW at an absolute maximum (guessing), and you’d have to build them all around the UK.

    Severn neap is 1GW, spring 8GW - that’s a range similar to wind. The pond required to sustain 1GW in a neap would be enormous, something like 8 Diwornigs, filled during a spring, at 5m depth that’s what 1/10th of the size of Wales?

    We should do it just because working out the maths is so fun.
    To be fair, that's how most progress happens in physics.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,438
    Nigelb said:

    Moulton: I know active duty Marines who now refer to Pete Hegseth’s department as the department of war crimes. That's because they do things like this, destroy civilian infrastructure, which, just to be clear, is a war crime. It's meant to hurt civilians.

    The USMC are the most reliably anti-MAGA of all the armed services because Trump disrespected Jim Mattis who is the tutelary deity of the warrior cult.

    Attempting to send ICE to the boot camp graduation ceremony at Parris Island to check the immigration status of the families didn't endear him to the Corps either. I can't imagine what would happen if ICE had put hands on some Devil Dog's mother.
  • rcs1000 said:

    One of my friends here in LA used to work with Usher Vance when she was a lawyer. (And before she was Mrs Vance.)

    I asked how she was, and he said "very smart, very ambitious, and very strange."

    Usha.
    That put him in his place.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,089
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    Tidewater predictably offset as you move round the coast of the U.K.

    If you site your lagoons correctly, the peaks are at different times. The individual lagoons spread the peak power, at each location. This adds up to continuous power delivered to the grid 24/7.
    While that's true... not all parts of the UK are equally suitable for large tidal barrages. So, you probably couldn't replicate a large baseload plant that easily.

    That said: the promoters say it's pretty inexpensive, so let's try it.
    The lagoons would allow you to avoid having to perfectly synchronise on tides.

    The problem is that they would never get built. The opposition to them would be too fierce.

    Solar and batteries is much harder to stop. Because they scale from a large garden upward. Rather than starting at gigawatts.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,741
    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/02/manufacturers-still-waiting-trump-tariff-promises-00854987

    One year ago today, President Donald Trump stood at a lectern in the Rose Garden, held up a booklet of trade barriers as thick as the Bible and told a crowd of people in suits and hard hats that with his planned tariffs, “jobs and factories will come roaring back into our country and you see it happening already.”

    Those jobs and factories haven’t materialized, at least on the grand scale the president and his top advisers have promised.

    Manufacturing payrolls actually declined slightly over the past year, with 98,000 fewer jobs year-over-year based on the most recent data from the Labor Department. There are 29,900 fewer auto manufacturing jobs and 18,000 fewer wood manufacturing jobs — both sectors the president has tried to protect with trade barriers. New, higher tariffs on steel and aluminum, moreover, have hindered the construction of factories. The industry’s hiring rate — often a reflection of confidence in the economic outlook — is lower now than it was at the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,784
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Moulton: I know active duty Marines who now refer to Pete Hegseth’s department as the department of war crimes. That's because they do things like this, destroy civilian infrastructure, which, just to be clear, is a war crime. It's meant to hurt civilians.

    The USMC are the most reliably anti-MAGA of all the armed services because Trump disrespected Jim Mattis who is the tutelary deity of the warrior cult.

    Attempting to send ICE to the boot camp graduation ceremony at Parris Island to check the immigration status of the families didn't endear him to the Corps either. I can't imagine what would happen if ICE had put hands on some Devil Dog's mother.
    All right, sweethearts, what are you waiting for? Breakfast in bed? It's another glorious day in the Corps. A day in the Marine Corps is like a day on the farm: Every meal's a banquet. Every paycheck's a fortune! Every formation's a parade! I love the Corps!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,107
    @ariehkovler.com‬

    Guys, is it good when you fire the head of the army in the middle of a war ahead of a possible controversial ground invasion? It's a thing you do if you're winning, right?

    https://bsky.app/profile/ariehkovler.com/post/3mijzmj57ns2v
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,018

    Edward Luce
    @EdwardGLuce

    People say Trump’s presidency is dying in Iran but we’re less than a third of the way through. Chances of major power conflict before 2029?

    https://x.com/EdwardGLuce/status/2039781319035494856
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,963
    edited 8:31PM

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    To add to the debate. One of the main arguments offered in favour of Israel is that it is “the only democracy in the region”

    Which is true to an extent but that so-called democracy has now delivered 18 years - 18 years! - of the corrupt and contemptible Bibi Netanyahu as prime minister and that same democracy has now introduced an overtly race-based death penalty aimed at one minority, something even apartheid South Africa never quite managed

    So what’s the fucking big deal about Israel being democratic if democracy produces this?

    It's a point. Donald Trump is also duly elected and in a sense this only adds to the horror of him. Because it reflects on the people. They'd be more mitigation if he was there via military coup. But the upside is the people (we hope) can rectify their error and this at the end of the day is the biggest USP of democracy. It doesn't prevent power being abused but it provides the best mechanism to stop it happening too overtly for too long.
    But voters are getting stupider and stupider. This is a real thing. IQs are speedily declining and smart phones and other tech are only accelerating this

    At what point does the wisdom of crowds become the idiocy or madness of crowds? Or the bigotry of the majority, as in Israel?

    The you have to add in the way democratic social media makes a political life deeply unappealing to all but the most inane, banal and/or power obsessed which is how Britain ended up with a serious of ridiculous losers culminating in Skyr Toolmakersson
    One of the good things about a constitutional monarchy is that we can reinvent the system without ripping everything down.

    We could revert to having the PM appointed by the king, similar to the way the England football manager is appointed. Maybe even shop abroad to find a political Sven-Göran Eriksson to run the government.
    Just occasionally William, your trolling on here transforms into sparkling satire.

    ...a political Sven-Goran Eriksson... is true gold. Chapeau.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,438

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Moulton: I know active duty Marines who now refer to Pete Hegseth’s department as the department of war crimes. That's because they do things like this, destroy civilian infrastructure, which, just to be clear, is a war crime. It's meant to hurt civilians.

    The USMC are the most reliably anti-MAGA of all the armed services because Trump disrespected Jim Mattis who is the tutelary deity of the warrior cult.

    Attempting to send ICE to the boot camp graduation ceremony at Parris Island to check the immigration status of the families didn't endear him to the Corps either. I can't imagine what would happen if ICE had put hands on some Devil Dog's mother.
    All right, sweethearts, what are you waiting for? Breakfast in bed? It's another glorious day in the Corps. A day in the Marine Corps is like a day on the farm: Every meal's a banquet. Every paycheck's a fortune! Every formation's a parade! I love the Corps!
    "The Marines don't have any race problems. They treat everybody like they're black."
    -- Gen Daniel James, USAF
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,817
    Pam Bondi was fired largely because Donald Trump grew dissatisfied with her inability to deliver on prosecuting his perceived enemies, sources tell me. Her allies find that reasoning frustrating, because they say she was hampered by the legal system, not by any unwillingness on her part. Critics say that whole project was corrupt, and that she “took a sledgehammer to the Justice Department and its workforce,” in the words of one former official.
    https://x.com/KDilanianMSNOW/status/2039756785574199780

    "The law got in the way of her malicious prosecutions". How frustrating indeed.

    Time to drain the stinking swamp.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,817
    Scott_xP said:

    @ariehkovler.com‬

    Guys, is it good when you fire the head of the army in the middle of a war ahead of a possible controversial ground invasion? It's a thing you do if you're winning, right?

    https://bsky.app/profile/ariehkovler.com/post/3mijzmj57ns2v

    WTAFFF ?

    Hegseth has asked US Army Chief of Staff Gen. Randy George to step down and take immediate retirement -CBS
    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2039796575040422207
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,059
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    I cannot find the post, but @Eabhal made a point earlier that he agreed with me about solar farms harvesting constraint subsidies by positioning themselves in areas of poor grid connectivity, and that I should 'focus my attack on renewables' there (or words to that effect).

    I think it's important to clarify that I am not against renewable energy in principle - that would be absurd. If we can use modern technology to harness nature and provide abundant cheap energy, how could anyone object to that?

    My argument is against the UK's specific journey to Net Zero, and the green industrial complex that has grown up around it. We have imposed arbitrary green targets, companies (mostly overseas ones) know this, lobbyists get their noses into the trough, the entire push is sold to the public as a moral mission, and the chosen instruments for the transition are by their nature the most wasteful and inefficient, because on the other side of waste, there is someone making a shit tonne of money. That is the nature of waste.

    I support tidal - very old idea, very reliable tech, would last centuries with little repair - hence no vast profits to be made, so little to no interest from corporations, or policy-makers.

    It's a corrupt system, and it is quite deliberately pushing up the price of energy, with global investment funds the main beneficiaries, and the poor the main victims, all wrapped in hypocritical cant about saving the planet.

    I don't think they do it maliciously. Just that the government shouldn't allow them to be built on CfD contracts unless there is sufficient local demand, sufficient transmission, or sufficient approved transmission. That rules out much of the Highlands, unless you set up nodal pricing so you get massive steelworks in Fort William or something.

    I don't think any firm should be expected to the "right thing". It's up to government to regulate, tax, to ensure we get a good outcome. That goes for fossil fuels and renewables equally. If that's not happening now then we are right to complain.

    (On tidal, I've never really understood what the benefits are. Intermittent, and none of the schemes contain sufficient storage in design to mitigate that. If it's cheaper than the alternatives then fair enough.)
    Intermittent but very predictable unlike solar and wind. Useful in the mix, surely?
    I am not sure why predictable is advantageous?

    On demand, like gas, is advantageous. Lagoons can be used for storage but not in volume and not competitive to batteries realistically.

    But predictability? How does that help? If I can predict that output is troughing just as demand peaks then what can we usefully do with that information that we would not do with unpredictable troughs in output?
    Predictable does bring with it certain advantages: a battery operator will be more likely to 'empty' their cells at a time of high demand, if it knows that [x]GW of cheap tidal is coming on stream in four hours time. If it doesn't know when it will be able to next 'fill up', it might well leave some electrons undisturbed.

    (With that said, wind and solar -on shortish time horizons- are pretty predictable these days. Network operators know when clouds -or even a single cloud- is about to cross over a solar farm, and what impact that will have on production, for instance.)
    They also know when the sun will set and how many more hours before the sun will rise again. Especially in winter that is more than 12 hours away. There will be a full tide generating power on the incoming and outgoing in that intervening period.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,784
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ariehkovler.com‬

    Guys, is it good when you fire the head of the army in the middle of a war ahead of a possible controversial ground invasion? It's a thing you do if you're winning, right?

    https://bsky.app/profile/ariehkovler.com/post/3mijzmj57ns2v

    WTAFFF ?

    Hegseth has asked US Army Chief of Staff Gen. Randy George to step down and take immediate retirement -CBS
    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2039796575040422207
    "How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 71,018
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Moulton: I know active duty Marines who now refer to Pete Hegseth’s department as the department of war crimes. That's because they do things like this, destroy civilian infrastructure, which, just to be clear, is a war crime. It's meant to hurt civilians.

    This is the same stuff that we criticize Vladimir Putin for doing in Ukraine.

    He doesn't know how to get out. So what is he doing? He's resorting to war crimes. It's an embarrassment.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2039765959888756839

    @cbsnews.com‬

    Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has asked Army Chief of Staff Gen. Randy George to
    step down, sources say.

    https://bsky.app/profile/cbsnews.com/post/3mijyzgh3hs2u
    What could possibly go wrong.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,482
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ariehkovler.com‬

    Guys, is it good when you fire the head of the army in the middle of a war ahead of a possible controversial ground invasion? It's a thing you do if you're winning, right?

    https://bsky.app/profile/ariehkovler.com/post/3mijzmj57ns2v

    WTAFFF ?

    Hegseth has asked US Army Chief of Staff Gen. Randy George to step down and take immediate retirement -CBS
    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2039796575040422207
    Don’t you do this sort of thing when you’re losing the war ?

    Well at least George didn’t end up tripping and falling out of a window .
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