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Perhaps Trump would have been better off releasing all the Epstein files than bombing Iran

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Perhaps Trump would have been better off releasing all the Epstein files than bombing Iran– politicalbetting.com

Harry Enten: "There is no floor for Donald Trump… Donald Trump is just so freaking unpopular."Quinnipiac -20 points. Yahoo/YouGov -21 points. Verasight -23 points. Ipsos -26 points. All of these are term-two record lows. Foreign policy approval rating hits a term-two low at… pic.twitter.com/Gtq7kkJxoT

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  • eekeek Posts: 33,035
    edited 7:36AM
    Remember the only way (for oil prices )is up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,869
    Blue Georgia/CNN possibly not the most effective source; there clearly is a floor for Trump and he definitely has a base.

    That's a different point from him losing swing voters though and on course to be hammered in the mid-terms.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,869
    eek said:

    Remember the only way (for oil prices )is up.

    I should have just typed "First".

    Then I would have been first, and beaten you by 30 seconds.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,708
    Repost, but I enjoyed the video a lot and systems collapse is on-topic:


    Not a usual channel of mine to watch but I've had the first book on 1177 BC on my radar for a while, and Eric Cline's 103 minute video about the Late Bronze Age Collapse is very interesting. And maybe relevant because there's a surprisingly strong trade network that ends, with some powers diminished and others wiped out entirely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=choxcHXhZhE
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,802
    Sandpit said:

    glw said:

    FF43 said:

    Excellent summary in my view of the strategic implications of the Iran War mainly from a US perspective.

    https://acoup.blog/2026/03/25/miscellanea-the-war-in-iran/

    That's a good article. It's the sort of thing Trump could have done with reading before he started this debacle.
    I've just reached this bit. We appear to be completely fucked now.


    The GCC States will tell you that’s total bollocks.

    US media simply hates Trump and works backwards from there. They want the US to ‘lose’ this conflict.
    Well what are they waiting for? The strait is closed right now. Chop chop.*

    * pun intended
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,561
    edited 7:45AM

    Blue Georgia/CNN possibly not the most effective source; there clearly is a floor for Trump and he definitely has a base.

    That's a different point from him losing swing voters though and on course to be hammered in the mid-terms.

    I think that's what is known as hyperbole.
    What's meant is that it's quite hard to predict just how low his approval rating might go.

    If some sort of uneasy peace is agreed with Iran, then his ratings would likely get a small bounce; if this drags on, then they could go a lot lower still.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,035

    eek said:

    Remember the only way (for oil prices )is up.

    I should have just typed "First".

    Then I would have been first, and beaten you by 30 seconds.
    True but I do try to write something vaguely related rather than first.

    Just checked gas prices in the states and a gallon which was $3.10 a month ago is now $4.11. Last week it was $3.96 so another 3% increase... Now gas price was something Trump used against Biden in 2024, it's going to hurt when it's used against him in the midterms...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,561
    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,062
    FPT
    Taz said:

    » show previous quotes
    I’m sure any ground incursion will be as successful and well thought out as this incursion.

    By this stage of the Iraq conflict the US and its allies had taken Iraq and Baghdad had fallen.

    What does the US have to show now. Hormuz closed to most traffic and all their bases in the region destroyed.

    POTUS47 has been a disaster.

    Yanks are well and truly F****d , no chance of winning anything other than a phyrric victory and that even unlikely. Trump and his horrible bunch have shat in their own pants.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,708
    malcolmg said:

    FPT
    Taz said:

    » show previous quotes
    I’m sure any ground incursion will be as successful and well thought out as this incursion.

    By this stage of the Iraq conflict the US and its allies had taken Iraq and Baghdad had fallen.

    What does the US have to show now. Hormuz closed to most traffic and all their bases in the region destroyed.

    POTUS47 has been a disaster.

    Yanks are well and truly F****d , no chance of winning anything other than a phyrric victory and that even unlikely. Trump and his horrible bunch have shat in their own pants.

    More calumny against Pyrrhus. He had a 2/3 winning record against the Romans and lost against an inherently stronger foe.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,917
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Remember the only way (for oil prices )is up.

    I should have just typed "First".

    Then I would have been first, and beaten you by 30 seconds.
    True but I do try to write something vaguely related rather than first.

    Just checked gas prices in the states and a gallon which was $3.10 a month ago is now $4.11. Last week it was $3.96 so another 3% increase... Now gas price was something Trump used against Biden in 2024, it's going to hurt when it's used against him in the midterms...
    Diesel moves everything around America - and is now north of $5.

    Trump will be remembered as the worst ever US President. Warren G. Harding is cheering him on....
  • eekeek Posts: 33,035
    malcolmg said:

    FPT
    Taz said:

    » show previous quotes
    I’m sure any ground incursion will be as successful and well thought out as this incursion.

    By this stage of the Iraq conflict the US and its allies had taken Iraq and Baghdad had fallen.

    What does the US have to show now. Hormuz closed to most traffic and all their bases in the region destroyed.

    POTUS47 has been a disaster.

    Yanks are well and truly F****d , no chance of winning anything other than a phyrric victory and that even unlikely. Trump and his horrible bunch have shat in their own pants.

    The only way to pass Hormuz over the next 5 years will be to pay Iran a significant passage fee.

    Trump's "victory" is a new major source of revenue for Iran...
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,897
    Democracy is one thing that plays in Iran's favour here when Trump has embarked on a deeply unpopular war, where Iran has the power to make oil prices surge further if it wants by attacking more GCC infrastructure, and is now just over 7 months away from mid-terms.

    A key point is a large part of his base saw him as anti war and that he would help battle rising prices under Biden (largely a consequence of Russian action, not his, but voters aren't that discerning). When he has taken action that so unambiguously goes against both points, it's no surprise he loses support.

    There's perhaps a lesson there in not starting terribly planned, unpopular wars. It'd be great if Trump learnt that lesson for the rest of his term, alas I suspect he'll just go after an easier target next time...
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,783
    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,026

    Repost, but I enjoyed the video a lot and systems collapse is on-topic:


    Not a usual channel of mine to watch but I've had the first book on 1177 BC on my radar for a while, and Eric Cline's 103 minute video about the Late Bronze Age Collapse is very interesting. And maybe relevant because there's a surprisingly strong trade network that ends, with some powers diminished and others wiped out entirely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=choxcHXhZhE

    I'd have liked to watch that, but it required sign-in. Systems collapse is something I've been fearing for decades.

    And good morning, everybody.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,917
    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,897
    Nigelb said:

    The Trump crime family is becoming ever more blatant.

    Donald Trump Jr. bought into a company. 3 months later, his dad's Pentagon handed them $620 million in taxpayer dollars. Democrats forced a vote to subpoena Don Jr. today to come clean about this shady deal.

    But Republicans blocked it and even shut down the hearing to protect him.

    https://x.com/NRDems/status/2036952027700277681

    Hunter Biden isn't sufficient deflection even for MAGA, these days.

    Lock them up, lock them up...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,026
    I usually do Like the header articles if I'm on for them, but today I had an impulse to Like it for the headline alone, before even reading the article. (I didn't.)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,708
    AnneJGP said:

    Repost, but I enjoyed the video a lot and systems collapse is on-topic:


    Not a usual channel of mine to watch but I've had the first book on 1177 BC on my radar for a while, and Eric Cline's 103 minute video about the Late Bronze Age Collapse is very interesting. And maybe relevant because there's a surprisingly strong trade network that ends, with some powers diminished and others wiped out entirely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=choxcHXhZhE

    I'd have liked to watch that, but it required sign-in. Systems collapse is something I've been fearing for decades.

    And good morning, everybody.
    Miss JGP, that's odd, I didn't have to sign in.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,850

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    I shot a video decrying the smug EV activists saying ha ha fuel prices.

    Everything we buy and eat has diseasal in the supply chain. So the price is going to go shooting up.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,876
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,026

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    It probably wasn't deliberate, but it seems many have brainwashed themselves.
  • ajbajb Posts: 177

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Remember the only way (for oil prices )is up.

    I should have just typed "First".

    Then I would have been first, and beaten you by 30 seconds.
    True but I do try to write something vaguely related rather than first.

    Just checked gas prices in the states and a gallon which was $3.10 a month ago is now $4.11. Last week it was $3.96 so another 3% increase... Now gas price was something Trump used against Biden in 2024, it's going to hurt when it's used against him in the midterms...
    Diesel moves everything around America - and is now north of $5.

    Trump will be remembered as the worst ever US President. Warren G. Harding is cheering him on....
    Unfortunately, it's always possible to be worse. And bad leaders are often followed by worse ones. If Trump drops dead I would bet on his successor being worse; although I'm not sure that's a market.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,411

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    Next they will decree that every home has to have a picture of the Dear Leader . The GOP are a cancer on the USA .
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,392

    eek said:

    Remember the only way (for oil prices )is up.

    I should have just typed "First".

    Then I would have been first, and beaten you by 30 seconds.
    Rookie error. That’s what the edit function is for.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,093

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    One of my American friends who is more of a Romney GOPer says his parents overlook Trump's flaws all because he pretty much ended abortion.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,869

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    Maybe Trump can take out motorway service stations.

    Greedy buggers.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,411
    The wonderful Coach D speaks for many . The MAGA cult really are vile and stupid .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5TSUWtWjNw
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,959
    edited 8:18AM
    Yes Trump has a net negative approval now but why should he care what most Americans think beyond his MAGA base going forward? He has won 2 presidential elections and cannot run again as term limited so it is for Vance or Rubio to worry about the next presidential election. Every US second term president for over 50 years has seen their party lose control of both chambers of Congress in the midterms so whatever Trump did the GOP likely would lose in November.

    So he is focusing on his legacy. If he achieves regime change in Iran that would be a major thing for the history books and he is still giving his base what they want in terms of tariffs and deportations
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,959
    edited 8:21AM

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    One of my American friends who is more of a Romney GOPer says his parents overlook Trump's flaws all because he pretty much ended abortion.
    Only in red states though but they at least got the chance to do that after he ensured the SC reversed Roe v Wade
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,213
    This is full of gems, though I’m not entirely sure it isn’t a pisstake.

    ‘The limp, damp baguette’

    ‘nicolas sarkozy, france’s once tough on crime president, having a truly extraordinary time in prison…’

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2036977025114652855?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,664
    Anna Foster of all people making John Healy sound completely ridiculous on radio 4 now.

    Did someone suggest him for leader?

    He's more inept than Trump!
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,026

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    One of my American friends who is more of a Romney GOPer says his parents overlook Trump's flaws all because he pretty much ended abortion.
    Yes, I can understand that.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,062
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    Should be a poker for insertion where sun don't shine
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,118
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blame-for-the-iran-school-bombing-the-truth-is-far-more-worrying

    A long read but essential reading IMHO, on the inherent in-built failures associated with substituting technology for human judgement. Inevitably Palantir is involved.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,026
    edited 8:25AM
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    One of my American friends who is more of a Romney GOPer says his parents overlook Trump's flaws all because he pretty much ended abortion.
    Only in red states though but they at least got the chance to do that after he ensured the SC reversed Roe v Wade
    When you consider abortion murder, there's some small comfort in the thought that We don't do it here.
    Edit italics fail.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,664
    edited 8:25AM
    Arise Dame Anna! An outstanding interview. I'd always thought her a lightweight. Well if she is then Healey's a first day-on-the-job-spad.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,118

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    I shot a video decrying the smug EV activists saying ha ha fuel prices.

    Everything we buy and eat has diseasal in the supply chain. So the price is going to go shooting up.
    Ha I feel smug about filling up at 1.57 now. I knew it would go higher!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,093

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    I shot a video decrying the smug EV activists saying ha ha fuel prices.

    Everything we buy and eat has diseasal in the supply chain. So the price is going to go shooting up.
    Thankfully I am not a smug EV driver.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,724
    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    It is very possible that both sides lose, often that is the case in wars, also those Gulf potentates have the small problem of exporting their fossil fuels.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,994

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    One of my American friends who is more of a Romney GOPer says his parents overlook Trump's flaws all because he pretty much ended abortion.
    He didn't though. A future democrat administration is going to make it Federal law so the SC can't overturn it
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,052
    edited 8:28AM

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    One of my American friends who is more of a Romney GOPer says his parents overlook Trump's flaws all because he pretty much ended abortion.
    https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states

    Dobbs was in 2022.

    Abortions in 2025 - 21% up on 2020.

    Perhaps if they want to reduce abortions, tackling things like affordability and healthcare might have a bigger impact.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,664
    edited 8:34AM

    This is full of gems, though I’m not entirely sure it isn’t a pisstake.

    ‘The limp, damp baguette’

    ‘nicolas sarkozy, france’s once tough on crime president, having a truly extraordinary time in prison…’

    https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/2036977025114652855?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    I'm sure it is.....which is a shame. It's got a lot of the Ballad of Reading Gaol about it.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,533
    Roger said:

    Anna Foster of all people making John Healy sound completely ridiculous on radio 4 now.

    Did someone suggest him for leader?

    He's more inept than Trump!

    Why "of all people". She came into that programme like a breath of fresh air, has superb clarity of diction and speed of thought and speaks at a decent pace. Quite the opposite of Emma Barnett or Justin Webb

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,946
    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    That would have made a great Bird & Bremmer skit
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,664
    edited 8:33AM
    geoffw said:

    Roger said:

    Anna Foster of all people making John Healy sound completely ridiculous on radio 4 now.

    Did someone suggest him for leader?

    He's more inept than Trump!

    Why "of all people". She came into that programme like a breath of fresh air, has superb clarity of diction and speed of thought and speaks at a decent pace. Quite the opposite of Emma Barnett or Justin Webb

    Yes I completely agree. She's just so low key compared to the awful Barnett and Webb.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,908
    MelonB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    All the vibes coming out of the US point to incipient dictatorship. That one’s Turkmenbashi-esque.
    Agree, which is why on the face of it there can't be free and fair elections in the USA in November or in 2028.

    But, just to ask the question, does Trump have other ways out for himself and his family apart from clinging on until he dies and then leaving the family and cronies to fight their own battles?

    In the end could he be satisfied with a deal granting immunity and wealth for him and his whole circle, in exchange for the USA getting a democratic country back? And could it be that if the choice were between a North Korean style Trump dynasty in perpetuity or a dirty deal to give him safety, the world and the USA would be better off with the latter.

    Assuming for the moment that Trump is a deranged malignant sociopathic narcissist, which is a fair and cautious one to make, he won't actually care a bit about the world after his own day, whether it is destroyed or whether it prospers, it being outside his imaginative range.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,708
    DavidL said:

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    Maybe Trump can take out motorway service stations.

    Greedy buggers.
    I thought that Reeves' response to this economic shock was to talk about Truss (again) and then claim she was going after profit gougers (as if the increase in costs were not real and the problem she should be looking to address)?

    She needs to temporarily reduce fuel duty, paid for by the additional VAT, to stop the country grinding to a halt. And if that causes Ed to resign that should be regarded as a bonus by all sane people.
    Miliband's first instinct a week or two ago was to whip up antagonism against private sector firms having to increase fuel costs after Trump's deranged action.

    It's a mix of disliking/not understanding the private sector, and fear that if they acknowledge there's a real problem (there obviously is) people will want *them* to do something about it. Much easier to just verbally abuse the private sector staff.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,213
    edited 8:33AM
    Roger said:

    Arise Dame Anna! An outstanding interview. I'd always thought her a lightweight. Well if she is then Healey's a first day-on-the-job-spad.

    Yeah, you could feel Healey squirming over the air waves. In stark contrast to the shouty bludgeoning by Emma Barnett of the junior doctors union rep previously.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,946

    malcolmg said:

    FPT
    Taz said:

    » show previous quotes
    I’m sure any ground incursion will be as successful and well thought out as this incursion.

    By this stage of the Iraq conflict the US and its allies had taken Iraq and Baghdad had fallen.

    What does the US have to show now. Hormuz closed to most traffic and all their bases in the region destroyed.

    POTUS47 has been a disaster.

    Yanks are well and truly F****d , no chance of winning anything other than a phyrric victory and that even unlikely. Trump and his horrible bunch have shat in their own pants.

    More calumny against Pyrrhus. He had a 2/3 winning record against the Romans and lost against an inherently stronger foe.
    But that was the point: pyrrhic victories give tactical advantage at a strategic cost
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,708
    algarkirk said:

    MelonB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    All the vibes coming out of the US point to incipient dictatorship. That one’s Turkmenbashi-esque.
    Agree, which is why on the face of it there can't be free and fair elections in the USA in November or in 2028.

    But, just to ask the question, does Trump have other ways out for himself and his family apart from clinging on until he dies and then leaving the family and cronies to fight their own battles?

    In the end could he be satisfied with a deal granting immunity and wealth for him and his whole circle, in exchange for the USA getting a democratic country back? And could it be that if the choice were between a North Korean style Trump dynasty in perpetuity or a dirty deal to give him safety, the world and the USA would be better off with the latter.

    Assuming for the moment that Trump is a deranged malignant sociopathic narcissist, which is a fair and cautious one to make, he won't actually care a bit about the world after his own day, whether it is destroyed or whether it prospers, it being outside his imaginative range.

    When the Republic fell in Rome, it wasn't a single shock but the gradual erosion of norms of behaviour then legal requirements.

    We'll see if the USA takes a step back, or heads further towards that precipice.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,297
    AnneJGP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    One of my American friends who is more of a Romney GOPer says his parents overlook Trump's flaws all because he pretty much ended abortion.
    Yes, I can understand that.

    *legal* and safe abortion has been severely restricted in several states. We know from bitter experience that this is not the same as "ending abortion".
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,016
    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,946
    Nigelb said:

    The Trump crime family is becoming ever more blatant.

    Donald Trump Jr. bought into a company. 3 months later, his dad's Pentagon handed them $620 million in taxpayer dollars. Democrats forced a vote to subpoena Don Jr. today to come clean about this shady deal.

    But Republicans blocked it and even shut down the hearing to protect him.

    https://x.com/NRDems/status/2036952027700277681

    Hunter Biden isn't sufficient deflection even for MAGA, these days.

    How do the rank and file congressmen & women who do this sort of stuff sleep at night? What are they actually getting in return for trashing their reputations and America?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,708

    malcolmg said:

    FPT
    Taz said:

    » show previous quotes
    I’m sure any ground incursion will be as successful and well thought out as this incursion.

    By this stage of the Iraq conflict the US and its allies had taken Iraq and Baghdad had fallen.

    What does the US have to show now. Hormuz closed to most traffic and all their bases in the region destroyed.

    POTUS47 has been a disaster.

    Yanks are well and truly F****d , no chance of winning anything other than a phyrric victory and that even unlikely. Trump and his horrible bunch have shat in their own pants.

    More calumny against Pyrrhus. He had a 2/3 winning record against the Romans and lost against an inherently stronger foe.
    But that was the point: pyrrhic victories give tactical advantage at a strategic cost
    But Trump doesn't even have a tactical advantage! He's got a tactical cost and a strategic cost. There's nothing Pyrrhic about him. Pyrrhus was an able general who was widely admired by rival powers and who led from the front.

    He certainly doesn't deserve comparison with Trump.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,994
    algarkirk said:

    Assuming for the moment that Trump is a deranged malignant sociopathic narcissist, which is a fair and cautious one to make, he won't actually care a bit about the world after his own day, whether it is destroyed or whether it prospers, it being outside his imaginative range.

    I think he cares very deeply about his 'legacy'

    He desperately wants monuments. He is obsessed with his name on buildings. History remembers the victors and all that crap.

    I hope he lives long enough to see all of that torn down, even if he and his family avoid jail for their actions
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,486
    Fourth musketeer D’Artagnan discovered in Dutch church
    Archaeologist says find could be highlight of his 28-year search for final resting place of Louis XIV’s elite bodyguard

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/03/25/fourth-musketeer-dartagnan-discovered-in-dutch-church/ (£££)

    Subject to DNA testing.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,994

    Nigelb said:

    The Trump crime family is becoming ever more blatant.

    Donald Trump Jr. bought into a company. 3 months later, his dad's Pentagon handed them $620 million in taxpayer dollars. Democrats forced a vote to subpoena Don Jr. today to come clean about this shady deal.

    But Republicans blocked it and even shut down the hearing to protect him.

    https://x.com/NRDems/status/2036952027700277681

    Hunter Biden isn't sufficient deflection even for MAGA, these days.

    How do the rank and file congressmen & women who do this sort of stuff sleep at night? What are they actually getting in return for trashing their reputations and America?
    The prevailing argument seems to be if they don't publicly worship the Mad King, Jan 6ers will come to their house and kill them.

    Perhaps unlikely, but not entirely unrealistic.

    Explains why so many of them are 'retiring' at the next election
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,985

    Nigelb said:

    The Trump crime family is becoming ever more blatant.

    Donald Trump Jr. bought into a company. 3 months later, his dad's Pentagon handed them $620 million in taxpayer dollars. Democrats forced a vote to subpoena Don Jr. today to come clean about this shady deal.

    But Republicans blocked it and even shut down the hearing to protect him.

    https://x.com/NRDems/status/2036952027700277681

    Hunter Biden isn't sufficient deflection even for MAGA, these days.

    How do the rank and file congressmen & women who do this sort of stuff sleep at night? What are they actually getting in return for trashing their reputations and America?
    The process to become a congressperson is pretty well-engineered to select people who find it easy to sleep at night.

    (The process to become an MP is better, because less fundraising is involved, but possibly not better enough.)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,664

    Shit lads, we’ve lost Tzipi!

    ‘ I did not expect to find myself nodding along to Tzipi Livni, Israel's former, and hawkish, Foreign Minister. Yet here we are. She is right on this: A State that treats the rule of law as optional, and human rights as conditional on race or nationality, irreparably corrodes itself. The decades-long project of violently subjugating Palestinians has not only harmed its victims. It has consumed Israel, from within.’

    https://x.com/epshtainitay/status/2036847103448867111?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Someone had a gun to her head. She's poison.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,411
    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    November is still a long way away and you’d need two thirds of the Senate to impeach Trump which isn’t going to happen .

    And you have to factor in GOP attempts to suppress the vote aswell as more vote rigging . The Dems need a blow out to nullify that .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,561

    Nigelb said:

    The Trump crime family is becoming ever more blatant.

    Donald Trump Jr. bought into a company. 3 months later, his dad's Pentagon handed them $620 million in taxpayer dollars. Democrats forced a vote to subpoena Don Jr. today to come clean about this shady deal.

    But Republicans blocked it and even shut down the hearing to protect him.

    https://x.com/NRDems/status/2036952027700277681

    Hunter Biden isn't sufficient deflection even for MAGA, these days.

    How do the rank and file congressmen & women who do this sort of stuff sleep at night? What are they actually getting in return for trashing their reputations and America?
    Another year in their jobs.
    Potentially another couple, if they're in very safe districts.

    It doesn't happen overnight obviously, and it starts out with simple tribalism (to which no party is immune), but each compromise of principles eventually leads to abject subservience. And along the way there's been a steady weeding out of those who won't buy into MAGA.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,959
    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 453

    DavidL said:

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    Maybe Trump can take out motorway service stations.

    Greedy buggers.
    I thought that Reeves' response to this economic shock was to talk about Truss (again) and then claim she was going after profit gougers (as if the increase in costs were not real and the problem she should be looking to address)?

    She needs to temporarily reduce fuel duty, paid for by the additional VAT, to stop the country grinding to a halt. And if that causes Ed to resign that should be regarded as a bonus by all sane people.
    Miliband's first instinct a week or two ago was to whip up antagonism against private sector firms having to increase fuel costs after Trump's deranged action.

    It's a mix of disliking/not understanding the private sector, and fear that if they acknowledge there's a real problem (there obviously is) people will want *them* to do something about it. Much easier to just verbally abuse the private sector staff.
    Meanwhile in countries with real social democratic rulers fuel duty was cut last Sunday with prices for .all down by around 20%. Starmer and co are totally clueless. But hey they bought off the junior doctors last year and of course that's going really well.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,959
    nico67 said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    November is still a long way away and you’d need two thirds of the Senate to impeach Trump which isn’t going to happen .

    And you have to factor in GOP attempts to suppress the vote aswell as more vote rigging . The Dems need a blow out to nullify that .
    No, the Democrats only need a simple majority to impeach Trump in the House. Though they need a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict which likely requires significant Republican defections
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,946
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Trump crime family is becoming ever more blatant.

    Donald Trump Jr. bought into a company. 3 months later, his dad's Pentagon handed them $620 million in taxpayer dollars. Democrats forced a vote to subpoena Don Jr. today to come clean about this shady deal.

    But Republicans blocked it and even shut down the hearing to protect him.

    https://x.com/NRDems/status/2036952027700277681

    Hunter Biden isn't sufficient deflection even for MAGA, these days.

    How do the rank and file congressmen & women who do this sort of stuff sleep at night? What are they actually getting in return for trashing their reputations and America?
    The prevailing argument seems to be if they don't publicly worship the Mad King, Jan 6ers will come to their house and kill them.

    Perhaps unlikely, but not entirely unrealistic.

    Explains why so many of them are 'retiring' at the next election
    I can see that with stuff that needs to get passed. But how about just not making up extra stuff to do?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,561
    This is still a common type of argument.

    CNN and much of the MSM are more willing to believe Iran’s lies than what Trump says.

    This isn’t healthy.

    We’re at war with Iran, yet many reporters trust Iran first.

    No wonder we’re so split as a country. If you hate Trump, you want to always find him wrong. No matter what, when or where.

    CNN owes its viewers, and the rest of the country, an apology.

    https://x.com/AriFleischer/status/2036480949144150096

    No, it really isn' healthy.

    But line needs rephrasing to appreciate just how unhealthy it is:
    Most normal people are (reluctantly or otherwise) more willing to believe Iran's lies than Trump's lies.

    That's how low the US has sunk.

    It's not Trump hatred (though I'm happy to admit to despising the guy). It's absolute disgust at the progression of his second term.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,486
    Terrorist who murdered pensioner ‘for Gaza’ charged with attacking prison staff
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/03/24/terrorist-murdered-pensioner-gaza-charged-attaking-staff/ (£££)

    Posted mainly for this detail at the end of the story: Alid’s asylum application was rejected by the Home Office three weeks after the killing. A monument to Whitehall efficiency.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,026
    edited 8:53AM
    Cicero said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Nigelb said:

    Up there with the FIFA Peace Prize.

    Mike Johnson: Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2036951988043473179

    Is it a calf ?
    How do these people sleep at night or look their grandkids in the eye?
    One of my American friends who is more of a Romney GOPer says his parents overlook Trump's flaws all because he pretty much ended abortion.
    Yes, I can understand that.
    *legal* and safe abortion has been severely restricted in several states. We know from bitter experience that this is not the same as "ending abortion".

    Apologies, it was probably my comment that messed up the blockquotes for you.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,561
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    Is it really a winnable war ?
    How do you know that ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,994

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Trump crime family is becoming ever more blatant.

    Donald Trump Jr. bought into a company. 3 months later, his dad's Pentagon handed them $620 million in taxpayer dollars. Democrats forced a vote to subpoena Don Jr. today to come clean about this shady deal.

    But Republicans blocked it and even shut down the hearing to protect him.

    https://x.com/NRDems/status/2036952027700277681

    Hunter Biden isn't sufficient deflection even for MAGA, these days.

    How do the rank and file congressmen & women who do this sort of stuff sleep at night? What are they actually getting in return for trashing their reputations and America?
    The prevailing argument seems to be if they don't publicly worship the Mad King, Jan 6ers will come to their house and kill them.

    Perhaps unlikely, but not entirely unrealistic.

    Explains why so many of them are 'retiring' at the next election
    I can see that with stuff that needs to get passed. But how about just not making up extra stuff to do?
    You have to have public displays of devotion, every day, or the King gets mad...
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,045

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    I shot a video decrying the smug EV activists saying ha ha fuel prices.

    Everything we buy and eat has diseasal in the supply chain. So the price is going to go shooting up.
    Thankfully I am not a smug EV driver.
    Is Smug one of those new Chinese EV brands?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,411
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    November is still a long way away and you’d need two thirds of the Senate to impeach Trump which isn’t going to happen .

    And you have to factor in GOP attempts to suppress the vote aswell as more vote rigging . The Dems need a blow out to nullify that .
    No, the Democrats only need a simple majority to impeach Trump in the House. Though they need a 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict which likely requires significant Republican defections
    So it’s a waste of time . The Senate GOP refused to impeach Trump after the capital riots and certainly won’t over Iran. The blatant corruption by the WH seems to be also given a free pass .
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,530
    geoffw said:

    Roger said:

    Anna Foster of all people making John Healy sound completely ridiculous on radio 4 now.

    Did someone suggest him for leader?

    He's more inept than Trump!

    Why "of all people". She came into that programme like a breath of fresh air, has superb clarity of diction and speed of thought and speaks at a decent pace. Quite the opposite of Emma Barnett or Justin Webb

    I was initially worried as her arrival coincided with a worrying change to Radio 5-isation where listeners where exhorted to “lets us know what you think” on every story and “let us know about your favourite fish/tree” and thought she had been brought on to help with giving the Radio 5 feel but she has become the best on there by a long distance.

    She made Healy sound like that guy who went for the interview at the BBC in their IT department and was accidentally interviewed on live news about some big news story.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,661
    Selebian said:

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    I shot a video decrying the smug EV activists saying ha ha fuel prices.

    Everything we buy and eat has diseasal in the supply chain. So the price is going to go shooting up.
    Thankfully I am not a smug EV driver.
    Is Smug one of those new Chinese EV brands?
    Rebranding of Smeg?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,894
    edited 8:56AM
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    Good morning

    It is not a winnable war by anyone

    It is a tragedy beyond belief that has sent an earthquake through relationships with countries throughout the west and middle east with no known outcomes and will take decades to resolve
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,026
    Scott_xP said:

    algarkirk said:

    Assuming for the moment that Trump is a deranged malignant sociopathic narcissist, which is a fair and cautious one to make, he won't actually care a bit about the world after his own day, whether it is destroyed or whether it prospers, it being outside his imaginative range.

    I think he cares very deeply about his 'legacy'

    He desperately wants monuments. He is obsessed with his name on buildings. History remembers the victors and all that crap.

    I hope he lives long enough to see all of that torn down, even if he and his family avoid jail for their actions
    Ozymandias comes to mind.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,035
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    In what way is it a winnable war? The world spent 40+ years trying to tame Afghanistan and that was a far poorer smaller country...

  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 592
    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    Good

    At some point you'd have thought that enough senior Republicans would have put their hand on his shoulder, took him aside and said 'look, not this time' before all this kicked off. Yes he has presidential power, but no one is prepared to stand up to him. It is a cult.

    The fact that more money is going to be flowing into the hands of the Iranians after this to get the straight moving again should cement his legacy now. There's more chance of a gold Trump statue still being standing in Tehran in 30 years time than there will be in Washington.

    I subscribe to the view he has significant long term mental decline, but being a health issue, no one will talk about it. This is off the scale compared to his efforts as POTUS45. The reparations should paid to UK taxpayers who funded last years stats visit

    Short to medium term prices are going to increase, no amount of solar and wind can offset that for us
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,946
    edited 9:00AM

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    Good morning

    It is not a winnable war by anyone

    It is a tragedy beyond belief that has sent an earthquake through relationships with countries throughout the west and middle east with no known outcomes and will take decades to resolve
    On balance, a poor decision by the US President then
  • eekeek Posts: 33,035
    Selebian said:

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    I shot a video decrying the smug EV activists saying ha ha fuel prices.

    Everything we buy and eat has diseasal in the supply chain. So the price is going to go shooting up.
    Thankfully I am not a smug EV driver.
    Is Smug one of those new Chinese EV brands?
    I think Smug would be too on the nose for even a Chinese company - and one of them is called Build Your Dreams (BYD)..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,959
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    In what way is it a winnable war? The world spent 40+ years trying to tame Afghanistan and that was a far poorer smaller country...

    The Afghanistan war was won in 2001 when the Taliban were removed and a few years later when Bin Laden was killed. The mistake was Biden withdrawing US forces which let the Taliban back not the invasion
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,729
    We'd have all been better off if Thomas Crooks had had a slightly better aim tbh
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,959

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    Good morning

    It is not a winnable war by anyone

    It is a tragedy beyond belief that has sent an earthquake through relationships with countries throughout the west and middle east with no known outcomes and will take decades to resolve
    For the homosexuals and regime opponents hanged and tortured and the women oppressed and the Iranians in exile removing the regime would certainly not be a tragedy
  • eekeek Posts: 33,035
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    In what way is it a winnable war? The world spent 40+ years trying to tame Afghanistan and that was a far poorer smaller country...

    The Afghanistan war was won in 2001 when the Taliban were removed and a few years later when Bin Laden was killed. The mistake was Biden withdrawing US forces which let the Taliban back not the invasion
    How is a war won if you need troops there to keep your puppet government in power?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,561
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    In what way is it a winnable war? The world spent 40+ years trying to tame Afghanistan and that was a far poorer smaller country...

    The Afghanistan war was won in 2001 when the Taliban were removed and a few years later when Bin Laden was killed. The mistake was Biden withdrawing US forces which let the Taliban back not the invasion
    You've memory-holed an awful lot of history there, HY.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,486
    nico67 said:

    The wonderful Coach D speaks for many . The MAGA cult really are vile and stupid .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5TSUWtWjNw

    A $900 electric bill sounds a lot for one month, especially given their prices are roughly half ours. Unless MAGA-woman is running her own datacentre, she should get the meter checked.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,959
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    In what way is it a winnable war? The world spent 40+ years trying to tame Afghanistan and that was a far poorer smaller country...

    The Afghanistan war was won in 2001 when the Taliban were removed and a few years later when Bin Laden was killed. The mistake was Biden withdrawing US forces which let the Taliban back not the invasion
    How is a war won if you need troops there to keep your puppet government in power?
    Quite simple, you keep them there indefinitely. As John McCain rightly said for 100 years or more if needed
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,530
    Pulpstar said:

    We'd have all been better off if Thomas Crooks had had a slightly better aim tbh

    That’s assuming he ever shot at him/was supposed to hit if you are conspiracy curious. The fact that Trump’s ear shows zero damage does raise questions.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,724
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    In what way is it a winnable war? The world spent 40+ years trying to tame Afghanistan and that was a far poorer smaller country...

    The Afghanistan war was won in 2001 when the Taliban were removed and a few years later when Bin Laden was killed. The mistake was Biden withdrawing US forces which let the Taliban back not the invasion
    A curious definition of win there!

    After 20 years of bloodshed we scuttled out, leaving the country to the Taliban.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,332
    edited 9:15AM

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    Battlebus said:

    DavidL said:

    The grifting, the illegal appointments, the abuse of the Constitution and the law, the absurdly inept prosecutions of Comey and James, the threats to Canada and Greenland, the abuse and gratuitous insults of allies, the abandonment of Ukraine, we were not exactly short of reasons to hold Trump in contempt before this but the bombing of Iran is a whole other level of bad. This is going to destroy his Presidency. It serves him right but the price we are all paying for it is severe and is going to get worse.

    Not sure that Trump is a loser here.

    A possible prognosis is that Iranians will flood the border with Türkiye and onto Europe. Another immigration crisis. At the same time, the oil price will stay very high with all the economic effects that will have worldwide. Oil companies and Middle Eastern potentates will be rolling in even more money (as well as those consulting/investing for them).

    Then there are the vulture capitalists who will make a ton of money either by buying distressed assets or taking strategic positions in companies. I mentioned a year of so ago that Berkshire Hathaway stored up €350bn in cash when Trump won. Perhaps they knew bargains would be plentiful early on in this presidency.
    He most certainly is the loser. Firstly, if he is to get the Straits open again he is going to have to accept some humiliating terms. The Iranians are talking about reparations. Alternatively, he can throw the US into an unwinnable war (see Brett Devereaux, it doesn't require 7500 words of the blindingly obvious). The US (and the rest of the world) is going to suffer a major economic shock. The GOP is going to be slaughtered in the Mid Terms which may result in his possible impeachment. Yes, there is plenty of pain to spread around, some of it is coming our way, but Trump is going to be destroyed by this.
    It is a winnable war but it requires ground troops to bring about regime change. Only a small window to do it though, as you say if the Democrats take Congress in November they will almost certainly try and impeach Trump again
    Good morning

    It is not a winnable war by anyone

    It is a tragedy beyond belief that has sent an earthquake through relationships with countries throughout the west and middle east with no known outcomes and will take decades to resolve
    If it looks like he is losing, and from some perspectives it looks like he might be, you do know he will use nukes. He has already hinted at this. I am fairly confident Bibi would be right behind him on that too.

    There is no filter, there are no lengths to which this man won't go to save face.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,724

    Price Watch: Travelled from south Devon to York, then Leeds then on to Lincs yesterday.

    Cheapest diesel was Aldi in Leeds at 165.9p. Most expensive was one of the motorway service stations at 198.9p

    Mostly c.175p

    I shot a video decrying the smug EV activists saying ha ha fuel prices.

    Everything we buy and eat has diseasal in the supply chain. So the price is going to go shooting up.
    Thankfully I am not a smug EV driver.
    I shot it sat on the drive with Tesla over one shoulder and petrol Mini over the other. Yes, one is cheaper than the other. But always was. Its the impact of the war on the price of *everything* that people are whining about. And running an EV only mitigates part of that.

    A lot of anger in clickbait world about Cadbury. People have just noticed the decreasing cocoa levels. They're blaming the greedy company and saying thats why they're full of Palm Oil. Which totally ignores the gargantuan inflation in the price of cocoa beans.

    And nobody yet understands what the impact of the war will be on food just from fertiliser prices alone. OK, farmers and the NFU do, but normals don't.

    Even if the war stops today - and it won't, the price impact will be BAD. But it won't stop today.

    Tell you what, I'll write a header.
    Consider higher cocoa prices a form of reparations to Ghana...
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