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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    Brixian59 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    What are the chances?

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2036460110579450052

    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Police did not investigate the theft of Morgan McSweeney’s phone because officers were “too busy”, despite the sensitivity of his messages and contacts

    Sir Keir Starmer’s former chief of staff told the Metropolitan police that his phone was stolen as he returned home from a restaurant in central London on October 20 last year

    Pretty high, I’ve mentioned on here friends have had their phones/tablets/watches stolen and they’ve gone to the police saying that FindMyLocation says their device(s) is/are at this property and the Rozzers say, nah, cannot be bothered, here’s your crime reference number and claim on your insurance.
    Yeah, but are they reporting stolen a government phone?
    Was it a government phone or his personal phone?
    Sorry, should have included: "The theft of the work device..."
    Ta, I should be surprised at the police in this instance but I am not.
    Dan Hodges makes another point:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2036469140571988163

    @DPJHodges
    We were specifically told by Steve Reed on Sunday the theft pre-dated the issues relating to Mandelson. I’m going to say it again. This is a blatant cover-up. And Ministers - from the Prime Minister down - are openly lying about it.


    https://x.com/singharj/status/2036466148946976932

    @singharj
    McSweeney's phone was stolen around a month after Starmer was forced to sack Mandelson as US ambassador.......
    Lol. Absolute roasting liars
    99.8% of the general public don't give a bat shit about Mandelson

    The Tories and wankers like Hodges are effectively talking to themselves.

    After all no Tory ever lost a phone, deleted an email or what's app, god forbid they could even lose a Foreign Secretary in Italy for 12 hours and find him drink on a bench in a railway station.

    If Badenoch is stupid enough to raise this at Pmq she is even more irrelevant than most voters think.

    Not a good day for the Tories, outgoing Mel Stride beasted by Rachel and poor old Claire Coutinho showing all the political skills of an illiterate 5 year old who has asked AI what happens in the North Sea.

    Excruciating
    People don't have to give a shit about Mandelson for a story about a privileged, money grubbing arsehole to get at least some traction with the public. It plays into a lot of assumptions people have about politicians.

    Will it continue to have much attention? I doubt as much as the Tories want, but it's also not nothing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676
    CatMan said:

    Good news for all fans of Sheffield.

    Revamped Crucible to host World Championship until 2045

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/articles/cy71drmdn10o

    Yes, great news. We got tickets for this year thinking better do it before it moves to Saudi or China.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,639

    FF43 said:

    Striking that it's Conservative supporters who have swung to more anti than those pesky socialists.

    A "fool me once/twice/thrice" effect? And not good for Lady Kemi of Badenochshire.

    Badenoch, not Badenochshire. As in Wolf of Badenoch, only significant settlement, the much mispronounced Kingussie. Come to think of it, Badenoch is also mispronounced in the wrong circles.
    I was listening to The Rest is History this week and found out that for the last 50 or so years I had been pronouncing Auchinleck incorrectly.
    How should I have been pronouncing it?

    I’ve been pronouncing it the way Lord Olivier pronounced it on The World At War.
    Apparently it is pronounced Affleck. I did go and check online afterwards and found this was the case. I am assuming of course that TRIH are correct.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auchinleck

    Auchinleck (/ˈæflɛk/ AF-lek; Scots: Affleck [ˈaflɛk] )
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,230

    FF43 said:

    Striking that it's Conservative supporters who have swung to more anti than those pesky socialists.

    A "fool me once/twice/thrice" effect? And not good for Lady Kemi of Badenochshire.

    Badenoch, not Badenochshire. As in Wolf of Badenoch, only significant settlement, the much mispronounced Kingussie. Come to think of it, Badenoch is also mispronounced in the wrong circles.
    I was listening to The Rest is History this week and found out that for the last 50 or so years I had been pronouncing Auchinleck incorrectly.
    How should I have been pronouncing it?

    I’ve been pronouncing it the way Lord Olivier pronounced it on The World At War.
    Apparently it is pronounced Affleck. I did go and check online afterwards and found this was the case. I am assuming of course that TRIH are correct.
    Wow.

    I wasn’t even close.
    My grandfather served as a fairly senior officer in the 8th Army and he always said ‘Ork in lek’ as I recall.

    He may have been wrong as well, of course. He didn’t know him personally and I can imagine lots of English officers would struggle with such names, say ‘Anstruther’ or ‘Kirkcudbright.’

    But there’s no reason to feel bad about it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    Recent Wings pieces on the Holyrood elections are a bit weird in tone. He is clear the SNP are almost certainly going to win big and might even get a majority, and because he thinks they are useless is left essentially saying there's barely any point to the election at all.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,500
    Are we lending a dozen admirals ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    kinabalu said:

    CatMan said:

    Good news for all fans of Sheffield.

    Revamped Crucible to host World Championship until 2045

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/articles/cy71drmdn10o

    Yes, great news. We got tickets for this year thinking better do it before it moves to Saudi or China.
    Yes, sport going where the money is it's almost surprising everything is not already taking place in Riyadh.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,965

    Ratters said:

    Trump net approval hits new low on Nate Silver's poll aggregator: -16.2% and the approval part nearly dropping below 40%.

    How low can it go if the war with Iran continues? I think it alienates a significant portion of isolationist Trump supporters in a way his actions so far have not. Not least as prices rise...

    Whale shit at the bottom of the Challenger Deep?
    Isn't the striking thing how high Trump's support still is?

    A silly war, going badly and costing Americans cash, and he still has more people saying he's doing a good job than Starmer, Sunak or Truss ever achieved.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,006

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    A generally serious contribution from an explicitly right-wing source (a contributor to "The American Conservative"), though I've never heard the allegedly common nickname for Starmer: "two-tier Kier". He's a bit vague about his preferred solution, though.
    You haven’t heard “two tier Keir”? Don’t you read PB anymore?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,386
    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,639

    Off topic, but timely. On Saturday it was sunny here, and so I took the opportunity to walk along Lake Washington and take a few photographs. To my surprise, I encountered a small pro-Shah demonstration at a favorite park. The demonstrators were displaying the traditional Iranian flag, American flags, and -- trigger warning -- an Israeli flag or two.

    There were three or four groups of pictures of, I assumed, young people who had been killed by the Mullahs.

    Here's one:


    (My apologies for the quality of the picture. I should have taken more time, but was still surprised by the demonstration.)

    The demonstrators looked wealthy and secular.

    This Saturday there will be, as I understand it, a "No Kings" demonstration, protesting Trump, in the same park. (I expect I will find myself in the odd position of favoring both demonstrations, wanting the Mullahs overthrown, with as few lives lost as possible, and the Loser driven from power, with the same caveat.)


    Much bigger pro-Iranian opposition demo in Newcastle at the w/end. Convened in Grey Square, but also lots of pics of regime victims down by the river walk near the Tyne Bridge. Lots of royalist flags and pictures of Reza Pahlavi. Also a few US and, I think, one Israeli.

    Maybe there is an Iranian diaspora in Tyneside?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,007
    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Starmer said we weren't getting involved?

    "Royal Navy to lead coalition efforts to reopen Strait of Hormuz"

    https://www.thetimes.com/

    Pulling USA's chestnuts out of the fire? No thanks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    DavidL said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    A generally serious contribution from an explicitly right-wing source (a contributor to "The American Conservative"), though I've never heard the allegedly common nickname for Starmer: "two-tier Kier". He's a bit vague about his preferred solution, though.
    You haven’t heard “two tier Keir”? Don’t you read PB anymore?
    I recall it being briefly popular, but don't recall the last time I saw it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,639
    DavidL said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    A generally serious contribution from an explicitly right-wing source (a contributor to "The American Conservative"), though I've never heard the allegedly common nickname for Starmer: "two-tier Kier". He's a bit vague about his preferred solution, though.
    You haven’t heard “two tier Keir”? Don’t you read PB anymore?
    It's been around since the protests of summer 2024.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,659
    AnneJGP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Starmer said we weren't getting involved?

    "Royal Navy to lead coalition efforts to reopen Strait of Hormuz"

    https://www.thetimes.com/

    Pulling USA's chestnuts out of the fire? No thanks.
    Clearly someone needs to try to get the oil flowing.

    A concerted effort, especially if not orchestrated by US and Israel is laudable.

    It benefits all parties and another sign who have the most respected PM, at least in overseas eyes this milenium

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,701
    algarkirk said:

    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    What are the chances?

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2036460110579450052

    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Police did not investigate the theft of Morgan McSweeney’s phone because officers were “too busy”, despite the sensitivity of his messages and contacts

    Sir Keir Starmer’s former chief of staff told the Metropolitan police that his phone was stolen as he returned home from a restaurant in central London on October 20 last year

    Pretty high, I’ve mentioned on here friends have had their phones/tablets/watches stolen and they’ve gone to the police saying that FindMyLocation says their device(s) is/are at this property and the Rozzers say, nah, cannot be bothered, here’s your crime reference number and claim on your insurance.
    Yeah, but are they reporting stolen a government phone?
    Was it a government phone or his personal phone?
    Sorry, should have included: "The theft of the work device..."
    Ta, I should be surprised at the police in this instance but I am not.
    Dan Hodges makes another point:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2036469140571988163

    @DPJHodges
    We were specifically told by Steve Reed on Sunday the theft pre-dated the issues relating to Mandelson. I’m going to say it again. This is a blatant cover-up. And Ministers - from the Prime Minister down - are openly lying about it.


    https://x.com/singharj/status/2036466148946976932

    @singharj
    McSweeney's phone was stolen around a month after Starmer was forced to sack Mandelson as US ambassador.......
    Lol. Absolute roasting liars
    Should have just had an unfortunate accident with the phone while crossing the channel.
    Wonder why the messages werent retrieved on the new phone with the same number he was given the next day?
    And why he didn't back up any messages as per policy.
    So many mysteries.
    It’s called doing a Boris.

    Covid Inquiry: Johnson says WhatsApp 'somehow automatically erased' 5,000 messages

    Former prime minister claims lack of detail from messages sent during key early weeks of pandemic is due to program "going down and coming back up again"


    https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/johnson-says-5000-messages-lost-due-to-whatsapp-automatically-erasing-things
    Boris you say? That should be that for Starmer.
    I am sure there will be plenty of quotes from Labour/Labour ministers about that which will come back to haunt them.
    Are the McSweeney messages likely to be embarrassing for the Govt and/or McSweeney/Mandelson?
    I suspect it tends towards the latter.
    I suspect very bad for McSweeney.

    I was told he reveres Lord Mandelson on a par with the way I revere David Cameron (pbuh).
    The MMcS lost messages will all of course have a sender/recipient who will have carefully preserved each and every one of them. You have to lose two phones to lose a single communication. To lose all relevant communications from multiple phones/parties you have to fill the North Sea with them.

    What is needed is for someone like a Mail journalist to “find” McSweeney’s phone and reveal embarrassing messages, which may or may not be fiction, but that McSweeney can’t deny because he has “lost” his phone and can’t prove otherwise.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,659
    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,639
    kle4 said:

    Recent Wings pieces on the Holyrood elections are a bit weird in tone. He is clear the SNP are almost certainly going to win big and might even get a majority, and because he thinks they are useless is left essentially saying there's barely any point to the election at all.

    SNP will win, despite a significantly lower vote-share, because Labour won't be able to take back the Central Belt constituencies due to their own decline. Reform also put at risk the Tory-held constituencies, so could be SNP pick ups there.

    So, yes, a strange sort of triumph, given that the combined unionist vote is likely to be greater than the pro-Indy one.

    So, Swinney will go through the motions of demanding a referendum, and Starmer will go through the motions of denying one. Honour satisfied all round and Scotland will continue to drift.

    Which is to say, Wings is right, barely any point to the election at all.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,659
    kinabalu said:

    CatMan said:

    Good news for all fans of Sheffield.

    Revamped Crucible to host World Championship until 2045

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/articles/cy71drmdn10o

    Yes, great news. We got tickets for this year thinking better do it before it moves to Saudi or China.
    The most corrupt betting sport of all.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,826
    DavidL said:

    a

    DavidL said:

    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    What are the chances?

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2036460110579450052

    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Police did not investigate the theft of Morgan McSweeney’s phone because officers were “too busy”, despite the sensitivity of his messages and contacts

    Sir Keir Starmer’s former chief of staff told the Metropolitan police that his phone was stolen as he returned home from a restaurant in central London on October 20 last year

    Pretty high, I’ve mentioned on here friends have had their phones/tablets/watches stolen and they’ve gone to the police saying that FindMyLocation says their device(s) is/are at this property and the Rozzers say, nah, cannot be bothered, here’s your crime reference number and claim on your insurance.
    Yeah, but are they reporting stolen a government phone?
    Was it a government phone or his personal phone?
    Sorry, should have included: "The theft of the work device..."
    Ta, I should be surprised at the police in this instance but I am not.
    Dan Hodges makes another point:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2036469140571988163

    @DPJHodges
    We were specifically told by Steve Reed on Sunday the theft pre-dated the issues relating to Mandelson. I’m going to say it again. This is a blatant cover-up. And Ministers - from the Prime Minister down - are openly lying about it.


    https://x.com/singharj/status/2036466148946976932

    @singharj
    McSweeney's phone was stolen around a month after Starmer was forced to sack Mandelson as US ambassador.......
    Lol. Absolute roasting liars
    Should have just had an unfortunate accident with the phone while crossing the channel.
    Wonder why the messages werent retrieved on the new phone with the same number he was given the next day?
    And why he didn't back up any messages as per policy.
    So many mysteries.
    It’s called doing a Boris.

    Covid Inquiry: Johnson says WhatsApp 'somehow automatically erased' 5,000 messages

    Former prime minister claims lack of detail from messages sent during key early weeks of pandemic is due to program "going down and coming back up again"


    https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/johnson-says-5000-messages-lost-due-to-whatsapp-automatically-erasing-things
    Boris you say? That should be that for Starmer.
    I am sure there will be plenty of quotes from Labour/Labour ministers about that which will come back to haunt them.
    Are the McSweeney messages likely to be embarrassing for the Govt and/or McSweeney/Mandelson?
    I suspect it tends towards the latter.
    I suspect very bad for McSweeney.

    I was told he reveres Lord Mandelson on a par with the way I revere David Cameron (pbuh).
    Would anybody surprised if the also showed that Mandy was also sticking his oar into lots of government decisions.
    Was he not DPM for a chunk of the time with a PM who seemed seriously close to a break down? I would be astonished if he wasn’t sticking his oar in. The impression I got at the time was that he was running the show and that he and Darling were basically all that was keeping the government on track.
    That he was running the government was something he was briefing the press about.

    The reality might well have been different.
    Maybe. But a government that had been paralysed by Brown’s indecision started moving again.

    Mandelson has the morals of an ally cat and really seems to have not cared if Epstein was abusing children. But he was and is an operator who knows how to get things done. I have admitted before that I, in ignorance of the Epstein stuff, thought his appointment was a good one. I think that there is at least some truth in it.
    As a founder member of the Royal Society For The Protection of The Reputation of Temporarily Undomiciled Felines, I object.

    No cat, in an ally or otherwise has ever conspired to sell government secrets.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,429
    Brixian59 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Starmer said we weren't getting involved?

    "Royal Navy to lead coalition efforts to reopen Strait of Hormuz"

    https://www.thetimes.com/

    Pulling USA's chestnuts out of the fire? No thanks.
    Clearly someone needs to try to get the oil flowing.

    A concerted effort, especially if not orchestrated by US and Israel is laudable.

    It benefits all parties and another sign who have the most respected PM, at least in overseas eyes this milenium
    It shows a PM running scared of being outflanked on foreign policy by Kemi Badenoch.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676
    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    CatMan said:

    Good news for all fans of Sheffield.

    Revamped Crucible to host World Championship until 2045

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/articles/cy71drmdn10o

    Yes, great news. We got tickets for this year thinking better do it before it moves to Saudi or China.
    The most corrupt betting sport of all.
    It does lend itself - but for big matches at big tournaments you're probably watching something genuine.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,230
    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    CatMan said:

    Good news for all fans of Sheffield.

    Revamped Crucible to host World Championship until 2045

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/articles/cy71drmdn10o

    Yes, great news. We got tickets for this year thinking better do it before it moves to Saudi or China.
    The most corrupt betting sport of all.
    I didn't know they played Premiership matches at the Crucible!
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,743
    I’ve never seen the river Thames on two wheels, wearing a balaclava
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,230

    DavidL said:

    a

    DavidL said:

    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    What are the chances?

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2036460110579450052

    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Police did not investigate the theft of Morgan McSweeney’s phone because officers were “too busy”, despite the sensitivity of his messages and contacts

    Sir Keir Starmer’s former chief of staff told the Metropolitan police that his phone was stolen as he returned home from a restaurant in central London on October 20 last year

    Pretty high, I’ve mentioned on here friends have had their phones/tablets/watches stolen and they’ve gone to the police saying that FindMyLocation says their device(s) is/are at this property and the Rozzers say, nah, cannot be bothered, here’s your crime reference number and claim on your insurance.
    Yeah, but are they reporting stolen a government phone?
    Was it a government phone or his personal phone?
    Sorry, should have included: "The theft of the work device..."
    Ta, I should be surprised at the police in this instance but I am not.
    Dan Hodges makes another point:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2036469140571988163

    @DPJHodges
    We were specifically told by Steve Reed on Sunday the theft pre-dated the issues relating to Mandelson. I’m going to say it again. This is a blatant cover-up. And Ministers - from the Prime Minister down - are openly lying about it.


    https://x.com/singharj/status/2036466148946976932

    @singharj
    McSweeney's phone was stolen around a month after Starmer was forced to sack Mandelson as US ambassador.......
    Lol. Absolute roasting liars
    Should have just had an unfortunate accident with the phone while crossing the channel.
    Wonder why the messages werent retrieved on the new phone with the same number he was given the next day?
    And why he didn't back up any messages as per policy.
    So many mysteries.
    It’s called doing a Boris.

    Covid Inquiry: Johnson says WhatsApp 'somehow automatically erased' 5,000 messages

    Former prime minister claims lack of detail from messages sent during key early weeks of pandemic is due to program "going down and coming back up again"


    https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/johnson-says-5000-messages-lost-due-to-whatsapp-automatically-erasing-things
    Boris you say? That should be that for Starmer.
    I am sure there will be plenty of quotes from Labour/Labour ministers about that which will come back to haunt them.
    Are the McSweeney messages likely to be embarrassing for the Govt and/or McSweeney/Mandelson?
    I suspect it tends towards the latter.
    I suspect very bad for McSweeney.

    I was told he reveres Lord Mandelson on a par with the way I revere David Cameron (pbuh).
    Would anybody surprised if the also showed that Mandy was also sticking his oar into lots of government decisions.
    Was he not DPM for a chunk of the time with a PM who seemed seriously close to a break down? I would be astonished if he wasn’t sticking his oar in. The impression I got at the time was that he was running the show and that he and Darling were basically all that was keeping the government on track.
    That he was running the government was something he was briefing the press about.

    The reality might well have been different.
    Maybe. But a government that had been paralysed by Brown’s indecision started moving again.

    Mandelson has the morals of an ally cat and really seems to have not cared if Epstein was abusing children. But he was and is an operator who knows how to get things done. I have admitted before that I, in ignorance of the Epstein stuff, thought his appointment was a good one. I think that there is at least some truth in it.
    As a founder member of the Royal Society For The Protection of The Reputation of Temporarily Undomiciled Felines, I object.

    No cat, in an ally or otherwise has ever conspired to sell government secrets.
    I've never heard of cats being in our allies, although I suppose if one were stuffed in Trump's alley at least it would be an ironic reversal of his normal behaviour.

    If the fat old paedo can be considered an ally, of course.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,006

    DavidL said:

    a

    DavidL said:

    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    What are the chances?

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2036460110579450052

    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Police did not investigate the theft of Morgan McSweeney’s phone because officers were “too busy”, despite the sensitivity of his messages and contacts

    Sir Keir Starmer’s former chief of staff told the Metropolitan police that his phone was stolen as he returned home from a restaurant in central London on October 20 last year

    Pretty high, I’ve mentioned on here friends have had their phones/tablets/watches stolen and they’ve gone to the police saying that FindMyLocation says their device(s) is/are at this property and the Rozzers say, nah, cannot be bothered, here’s your crime reference number and claim on your insurance.
    Yeah, but are they reporting stolen a government phone?
    Was it a government phone or his personal phone?
    Sorry, should have included: "The theft of the work device..."
    Ta, I should be surprised at the police in this instance but I am not.
    Dan Hodges makes another point:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2036469140571988163

    @DPJHodges
    We were specifically told by Steve Reed on Sunday the theft pre-dated the issues relating to Mandelson. I’m going to say it again. This is a blatant cover-up. And Ministers - from the Prime Minister down - are openly lying about it.


    https://x.com/singharj/status/2036466148946976932

    @singharj
    McSweeney's phone was stolen around a month after Starmer was forced to sack Mandelson as US ambassador.......
    Lol. Absolute roasting liars
    Should have just had an unfortunate accident with the phone while crossing the channel.
    Wonder why the messages werent retrieved on the new phone with the same number he was given the next day?
    And why he didn't back up any messages as per policy.
    So many mysteries.
    It’s called doing a Boris.

    Covid Inquiry: Johnson says WhatsApp 'somehow automatically erased' 5,000 messages

    Former prime minister claims lack of detail from messages sent during key early weeks of pandemic is due to program "going down and coming back up again"


    https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/johnson-says-5000-messages-lost-due-to-whatsapp-automatically-erasing-things
    Boris you say? That should be that for Starmer.
    I am sure there will be plenty of quotes from Labour/Labour ministers about that which will come back to haunt them.
    Are the McSweeney messages likely to be embarrassing for the Govt and/or McSweeney/Mandelson?
    I suspect it tends towards the latter.
    I suspect very bad for McSweeney.

    I was told he reveres Lord Mandelson on a par with the way I revere David Cameron (pbuh).
    Would anybody surprised if the also showed that Mandy was also sticking his oar into lots of government decisions.
    Was he not DPM for a chunk of the time with a PM who seemed seriously close to a break down? I would be astonished if he wasn’t sticking his oar in. The impression I got at the time was that he was running the show and that he and Darling were basically all that was keeping the government on track.
    That he was running the government was something he was briefing the press about.

    The reality might well have been different.
    Maybe. But a government that had been paralysed by Brown’s indecision started moving again.

    Mandelson has the morals of an ally cat and really seems to have not cared if Epstein was abusing children. But he was and is an operator who knows how to get things done. I have admitted before that I, in ignorance of the Epstein stuff, thought his appointment was a good one. I think that there is at least some truth in it.
    As a founder member of the Royal Society For The Protection of The Reputation of Temporarily Undomiciled Felines, I object.

    No cat, in an ally or otherwise has ever conspired to sell government secrets.
    Macavity?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,007
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    a

    DavidL said:

    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    What are the chances?

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2036460110579450052

    @Steven_Swinford
    Exclusive:

    Police did not investigate the theft of Morgan McSweeney’s phone because officers were “too busy”, despite the sensitivity of his messages and contacts

    Sir Keir Starmer’s former chief of staff told the Metropolitan police that his phone was stolen as he returned home from a restaurant in central London on October 20 last year

    Pretty high, I’ve mentioned on here friends have had their phones/tablets/watches stolen and they’ve gone to the police saying that FindMyLocation says their device(s) is/are at this property and the Rozzers say, nah, cannot be bothered, here’s your crime reference number and claim on your insurance.
    Yeah, but are they reporting stolen a government phone?
    Was it a government phone or his personal phone?
    Sorry, should have included: "The theft of the work device..."
    Ta, I should be surprised at the police in this instance but I am not.
    Dan Hodges makes another point:

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2036469140571988163

    @DPJHodges
    We were specifically told by Steve Reed on Sunday the theft pre-dated the issues relating to Mandelson. I’m going to say it again. This is a blatant cover-up. And Ministers - from the Prime Minister down - are openly lying about it.


    https://x.com/singharj/status/2036466148946976932

    @singharj
    McSweeney's phone was stolen around a month after Starmer was forced to sack Mandelson as US ambassador.......
    Lol. Absolute roasting liars
    Should have just had an unfortunate accident with the phone while crossing the channel.
    Wonder why the messages werent retrieved on the new phone with the same number he was given the next day?
    And why he didn't back up any messages as per policy.
    So many mysteries.
    It’s called doing a Boris.

    Covid Inquiry: Johnson says WhatsApp 'somehow automatically erased' 5,000 messages

    Former prime minister claims lack of detail from messages sent during key early weeks of pandemic is due to program "going down and coming back up again"


    https://www.civilserviceworld.com/news/article/johnson-says-5000-messages-lost-due-to-whatsapp-automatically-erasing-things
    Boris you say? That should be that for Starmer.
    I am sure there will be plenty of quotes from Labour/Labour ministers about that which will come back to haunt them.
    Are the McSweeney messages likely to be embarrassing for the Govt and/or McSweeney/Mandelson?
    I suspect it tends towards the latter.
    I suspect very bad for McSweeney.

    I was told he reveres Lord Mandelson on a par with the way I revere David Cameron (pbuh).
    Would anybody surprised if the also showed that Mandy was also sticking his oar into lots of government decisions.
    Was he not DPM for a chunk of the time with a PM who seemed seriously close to a break down? I would be astonished if he wasn’t sticking his oar in. The impression I got at the time was that he was running the show and that he and Darling were basically all that was keeping the government on track.
    That he was running the government was something he was briefing the press about.

    The reality might well have been different.
    Maybe. But a government that had been paralysed by Brown’s indecision started moving again.

    Mandelson has the morals of an ally cat and really seems to have not cared if Epstein was abusing children. But he was and is an operator who knows how to get things done. I have admitted before that I, in ignorance of the Epstein stuff, thought his appointment was a good one. I think that there is at least some truth in it.
    As a founder member of the Royal Society For The Protection of The Reputation of Temporarily Undomiciled Felines, I object.

    No cat, in an ally or otherwise has ever conspired to sell government secrets.
    Macavity?
    He wasn't there.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,500
    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    Up to a point.
    December last year...

    Royal Navy to Withdraw Mines Countermeasures Force from Gulf
    https://www.defenceeye.co.uk/2025/12/05/royal-navy-to-withdraw-mines-countermeasures-force-from-gulf/

    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    Apparently the Supreme Court is eying up prohibiting counting of mail in ballots that arrive after election day? To be fair, regardless of whether it is lawful (I doubt the court care much about that vs what they personally prefer to be the case, pro or anti), it does feel like an odd practice. Does anywhere else do it?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,709
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    I don't understand where "cost cutting" comes in - defence has, iiuc held fast with % gdp since the late 90s a fact the graph below seems to support.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4fz6tm/uk_defence_spending_19002015_of_gdp/

    That it has apparently gone backwards points to poor spending of the allocated money quite frankly.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,887
    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    Up to a point.
    December last year...

    Royal Navy to Withdraw Mines Countermeasures Force from Gulf
    https://www.defenceeye.co.uk/2025/12/05/royal-navy-to-withdraw-mines-countermeasures-force-from-gulf/

    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    I assume it is being delayed because it requires a lot of money just to stand still, and even more money to move forward, and the government doesn't want to spend it.

    It's strategy for re-election is to have improved the NHS, so there's less than no money left for anything else.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,736
    edited 6:32PM
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Starmer said we weren't getting involved?

    "Royal Navy to lead coalition efforts to reopen Strait of Hormuz"

    https://www.thetimes.com/

    I think he's said no involvement in anything aggressive and/or illegal.
    If that is an accurate report, I hope that falls through.

    I wonder if is another item of Trump windbaggery?

    At present the predominant issues are that naval forces in that location are effectively impossible to defend, and that it gives the appearance of hitching the UK wagon to President Chump.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,965
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    Not a crazy idea, as long as the economy keeps growing.

    Future us will be richer than present us, and so they will better be able to afford the solutions to knotty problems. It's the same reason that some government borrowing is not harmful.

    The catch comes if you have, to take a hypothetical example, a couple of decades where the economy barely grows at all.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,887
    algarkirk said:

    That there are some Labour supporters with a positive view of Trump - and more than there are Tory ones - feels to require some sort of explanation. It is a puzzle.

    I would guess it's in part that Starmer has valued a good relationship with Trump, and so that attracts voters who have a better opinion of Trump, and it's likely to make tribal Labour voters more favourable towards Trump.

    Plus also the insult to British soldiers pushing down the score with Tories.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676

    Brixian59 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought Starmer said we weren't getting involved?

    "Royal Navy to lead coalition efforts to reopen Strait of Hormuz"

    https://www.thetimes.com/

    Pulling USA's chestnuts out of the fire? No thanks.
    Clearly someone needs to try to get the oil flowing.

    A concerted effort, especially if not orchestrated by US and Israel is laudable.

    It benefits all parties and another sign who have the most respected PM, at least in overseas eyes this milenium
    It shows a PM running scared of being outflanked on foreign policy by Kemi Badenoch.
    Rather jaundiced spin on it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    Not a crazy idea, as long as the economy keeps growing.

    Future us will be richer than present us, and so they will better be able to afford the solutions to knotty problems. It's the same reason that some government borrowing is not harmful.

    The catch comes if you have, to take a hypothetical example, a couple of decades where the economy barely grows at all.
    Yes, our public and political attitudes have not kept up with the economic realities. I mean, the hypothetical example of one.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,760
    Royal Navy is going to
    Lead with WHAT.???
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,743

    Royal Navy is going to
    Lead with WHAT.???
    Loads of Admirals
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,549
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    I don't understand where "cost cutting" comes in - defence has, iiuc held fast with % gdp since the late 90s a fact the graph below seems to support.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4fz6tm/uk_defence_spending_19002015_of_gdp/

    That it has apparently gone backwards points to poor spending of the allocated money quite frankly.

    A lot of it is perception due to troop numbers reducing I think. Which of course does not necessarily mean capability reduction. All a bit tabloid "bobbies on the beat".
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,887
    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    I don't understand where "cost cutting" comes in - defence has, iiuc held fast with % gdp since the late 90s a fact the graph below seems to support.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4fz6tm/uk_defence_spending_19002015_of_gdp/

    That it has apparently gone backwards points to poor spending of the allocated money quite frankly.

    That's a spectacularly poor chart for looking at the changes over the last couple of decades. If you go to NATO directly you can get the precise figures.

    One other factor is that a constant % of GDP doesn't go as far as it should because British GDP growth has been poor.

    And that's important because a lot of equipment is imported from countries where wage growth has been stronger, and from countries who haven't devalued their currencies continually to remain competitive, and so those military imports are more expensive than they would be if the British economy was stronger.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,386
    kle4 said:

    Apparently the Supreme Court is eying up prohibiting counting of mail in ballots that arrive after election day? To be fair, regardless of whether it is lawful (I doubt the court care much about that vs what they personally prefer to be the case, pro or anti), it does feel like an odd practice. Does anywhere else do it?

    I don’t think so but what the GOP really want is to get rid of mail in and early voting so all voting on just Tuesday election day.

    Effectively it’s impossible in urban areas to do that . This case is a pre-cursor to more that will follow in an attempt to steal future elections.


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,709
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    CatMan said:

    Good news for all fans of Sheffield.

    Revamped Crucible to host World Championship until 2045

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/articles/cy71drmdn10o

    Yes, great news. We got tickets for this year thinking better do it before it moves to Saudi or China.
    Yes, sport going where the money is it's almost surprising everything is not already taking place in Riyadh.
    Maybe not now though lol
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,196
    edited 6:42PM

    FF43 said:

    Striking that it's Conservative supporters who have swung to more anti than those pesky socialists.

    A "fool me once/twice/thrice" effect? And not good for Lady Kemi of Badenochshire.

    Badenoch, not Badenochshire. As in Wolf of Badenoch, only significant settlement, the much mispronounced Kingussie. Come to think of it, Badenoch is also mispronounced in the wrong circles.
    I was listening to The Rest is History this week and found out that for the last 50 or so years I had been pronouncing Auchinleck incorrectly.
    How should I have been pronouncing it?

    I’ve been pronouncing it the way Lord Olivier pronounced it on The World At War.
    Apparently it is pronounced Affleck. I did go and check online afterwards and found this was the case. I am assuming of course that TRIH are correct.
    Golly.
    Wasn’t he nicknamed the Auk rather than the Aff?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,887
    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    I don't understand where "cost cutting" comes in - defence has, iiuc held fast with % gdp since the late 90s a fact the graph below seems to support.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4fz6tm/uk_defence_spending_19002015_of_gdp/

    That it has apparently gone backwards points to poor spending of the allocated money quite frankly.

    A lot of it is perception due to troop numbers reducing I think. Which of course does not necessarily mean capability reduction. All a bit tabloid "bobbies on the beat".
    It's quite hard to point to where the capability exists if it's just a mirage. Often the Navy doesn't have an operational attack submarine. The Navy had to rush a destroyer out of dry dock in response to the Iran war. Many RAF Typhoons don't have radar capable of tracking drones. The British Army it's fully committed to its deployments in Estonia and elsewhere, such that the theoretical commitment to a post-war Ukrainian deployment would require Britain withdrawing from Estonia to be backfilled by some other NATO ally.

    I'm not seeing much in the way of capability compared to, say, the British contribution to the Iraq War of 2003.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    In the first pass of grappling with a problem doing nothing should always be considered.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,060
    Mo Salah to leave Liverpool at the end of the season.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,709
    edited 6:44PM

    Royal Navy is going to
    Lead with WHAT.???
    Loads of Admirals
    If each admiral commands a modest 3 ships each it means our naval strength must be around the 400 ships mark
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    In the first pass of grappling with a problem doing nothing should always be considered.
    Yes it should, but for many of our issues we're well beyond the first pass stage, notwithstanding the present government have not been in power for very long. They must have been thinking about many of these issues for a long time, indeed they will have insisted they did.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,429
    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Not that kind of relative poverty. The kind where you travel abroad and are shocked that the average standard of living is much better.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,736

    Pulpstar said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    It’s behind a paywall but I doubt that will be happening until Trump does his wonderful deal to end the war !

    And the UK does have autonomous drones for mine clearing.
    Minesweeping is one of the few strengths we still have after 14 years of wilful neglect and cost cutting
    When is the government going to get round to publishing the defence spending plan (promised since last summer) ?

    I don't disagree about the last couple of decades of defence rundown, but the current government needs now to decide about its own priorities. Something it keeps putting off.
    Can kicking is a surprisingly resilient option.

    Defence, Parliament refurbishment, social care, it's baby steps or no steps (or backwards steps) if they become even slightly difficult, even if it means more difficult down the line. Our politicians (and voters I guess) are actually remarkably optimistic about coming up with something down the line to solve problems.
    I don't understand where "cost cutting" comes in - defence has, iiuc held fast with % gdp since the late 90s a fact the graph below seems to support.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/4fz6tm/uk_defence_spending_19002015_of_gdp/

    That it has apparently gone backwards points to poor spending of the allocated money quite frankly.

    That's a spectacularly poor chart for looking at the changes over the last couple of decades. If you go to NATO directly you can get the precise figures.

    One other factor is that a constant % of GDP doesn't go as far as it should because British GDP growth has been poor.

    And that's important because a lot of equipment is imported from countries where wage growth has been stronger, and from countries who haven't devalued their currencies continually to remain competitive, and so those military imports are more expensive than they would be if the British economy was stronger.
    That chart stops in 2015 ...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,221
    Fortunately Humphrey Appleby is running this:

    Britain is putting itself at the helm of efforts to build a multi-national maritime mission to get oil tankers moving again through the key strait once the war is de-escalated.

    This could include a Strait of Hormuz summit in London, which would be expected to be attended by countries from the Gulf, Europe and the US, to inject momentum into the plans.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/trump-iran-war-hormuz-strait-oil-crisis-london-conference-b1276161.html
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,397
    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Apparently the Supreme Court is eying up prohibiting counting of mail in ballots that arrive after election day? To be fair, regardless of whether it is lawful (I doubt the court care much about that vs what they personally prefer to be the case, pro or anti), it does feel like an odd practice. Does anywhere else do it?

    I don’t think so but what the GOP really want is to get rid of mail in and early voting so all voting on just Tuesday election day.

    Effectively it’s impossible in urban areas to do that . This case is a pre-cursor to more that will follow in an attempt to steal future elections.


    I think there would need to be a massive increase in polling stations, even if they are the same elector numbers as the UK?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,736
    I can't see the article, but I'm inclined to think the Times is overcooking it. We are alongside the French and the Yanks and I doubt we a re "leading" it in the way implied.

    Time will tell.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,887

    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Not that kind of relative poverty. The kind where you travel abroad and are shocked that the average standard of living is much better.
    So you can call it poverty when comparing with rich foreigners, but not when comparing with richer people in your own country?

    Weird distinction.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676

    algarkirk said:

    That there are some Labour supporters with a positive view of Trump - and more than there are Tory ones - feels to require some sort of explanation. It is a puzzle.

    I would guess it's in part that Starmer has valued a good relationship with Trump, and so that attracts voters who have a better opinion of Trump, and it's likely to make tribal Labour voters more favourable towards Trump.

    Plus also the insult to British soldiers pushing down the score with Tories.
    That might be right but it doesn't apply to this tribal Labour person. I try my best to get into other minds (not in a sinister way, I stress) but I find it hard to access one that still has a positive opinion of Donald Trump.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,341
    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,386

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Apparently the Supreme Court is eying up prohibiting counting of mail in ballots that arrive after election day? To be fair, regardless of whether it is lawful (I doubt the court care much about that vs what they personally prefer to be the case, pro or anti), it does feel like an odd practice. Does anywhere else do it?

    I don’t think so but what the GOP really want is to get rid of mail in and early voting so all voting on just Tuesday election day.

    Effectively it’s impossible in urban areas to do that . This case is a pre-cursor to more that will follow in an attempt to steal future elections.


    I think there would need to be a massive increase in polling stations, even if they are the same elector numbers as the UK?
    The big problem is urban areas in GOP led states. They will ensure there aren’t enough polling stations , long queues so people give up and go home. This is why early and mail in voting is crucial.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,846
    Have I got this correct?

    The Chief of Staff of the UK PM's phone got stolen and nothing was done?

    It could be in the bloody Kremlin by now.

    Am I going mad?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,429

    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Not that kind of relative poverty. The kind where you travel abroad and are shocked that the average standard of living is much better.
    So you can call it poverty when comparing with rich foreigners, but not when comparing with richer people in your own country?

    Weird distinction.
    You have to compare like with like.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,230
    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    The problem is, of course, that you have to be a bit careful when criticising judges due to contempt of court rules.

    But how can you not hold them in contempt when they say and do stupid things like this?

    It's not as though it's recent either. Tom Denning and David Eady were both pretty dodgy.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 579
    kle4 said:

    Recent Wings pieces on the Holyrood elections are a bit weird in tone. He is clear the SNP are almost certainly going to win big and might even get a majority, and because he thinks they are useless is left essentially saying there's barely any point to the election at all.

    Cant help but think Wings is really missing his pal Mr Salmond too much. He will be missing out on some top insider gossip

    He is right though, the election is a foregone conclusion. So the debates, hustings etc forthcoming are all a waste of time (and money)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909

    Have I got this correct?

    The Chief of Staff of the UK PM's phone got stolen and nothing was done?

    It could be in the bloody Kremlin by now.

    Am I going mad?

    Yes you are, but this is not a sign of it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,622

    Denmark

    Polls close 7pm GMT

    https://www.dr.dk/drtv/kanal/dr1_20875

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Danish_general_election

    https://valgtal.dk/fv26/valgaften

    Official results site unresponsive so will post a link if I find a decent one elsewhere.

    Thanks,

    DC

    Thanks for the links as always DC.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,285
    Praise be to @Apple. I will never hear a word against them, ever again


    Just chucked a scruffy rucksack in my washing machine, after getting back from Kent. It went through 90 minutes of washing, then 60 minutes of rinsing & spinning . THEN I realised my Airpods, latest model, £250 or whatever, were in one of the pockets

    I abandoned hope - but let them dry.....

    They work fine

    That is OUTSTANDING build quality
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676

    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Not that kind of relative poverty. The kind where you travel abroad and are shocked that the average standard of living is much better.
    It's the same concept. Why would that matter so long as absolute living standards here are inching upwards. I mean, a person on median income here would be shocked by a day in the life of a UK billionaire, wouldn't they.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,887

    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Not that kind of relative poverty. The kind where you travel abroad and are shocked that the average standard of living is much better.
    So you can call it poverty when comparing with rich foreigners, but not when comparing with richer people in your own country?

    Weird distinction.
    You have to compare like with like.
    I thought the whole point of being anti-immigration was that foreigners weren't like us.

    I think you've been caught in a minor inconsistency my dear old thing.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,341
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    The problem is, of course, that you have to be a bit careful when criticising judges due to contempt of court rules.

    But how can you not hold them in contempt when they say and do stupid things like this?

    It's not as though it's recent either. Tom Denning and David Eady were both pretty dodgy.
    There's just a complete lack of accountability for judges. They exist isolation from their decisions and the havoc they can have on the wider community. Obviously this government won't do anything about it but I think both the Tories and Reform should propose something similar to this in their manifestoes on a justice reform section.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,622
    Just 19.2% for the Social Democrats with the Danish exit poll.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    DoctorG said:

    kle4 said:

    Recent Wings pieces on the Holyrood elections are a bit weird in tone. He is clear the SNP are almost certainly going to win big and might even get a majority, and because he thinks they are useless is left essentially saying there's barely any point to the election at all.

    Cant help but think Wings is really missing his pal Mr Salmond too much. He will be missing out on some top insider gossip

    He is right though, the election is a foregone conclusion. So the debates, hustings etc forthcoming are all a waste of time (and money)
    Now now, we might get lucky and have some truly awful candidates who do some ludicrous stuff during the campaign at least.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,285

    If Reform popularity can be measured in flags they are top bananas in North Worcestershire.

    A brace of flags, one Union and one St George on every lamppost in Redditch. Flags galore on Portway roundabout off the M42, and one for @Taz at least 30 flags on lampposts around Beckett's Island. I lived a quarter of a mile away from 1962 to 1977 and I never saw a flag in all those years. Stopping to salute each of the buggers takes some time.

    Quite a few in far east London, and north Kent, and also in Whitstable. Perhaps unsurprising
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676

    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Not that kind of relative poverty. The kind where you travel abroad and are shocked that the average standard of living is much better.
    So you can call it poverty when comparing with rich foreigners, but not when comparing with richer people in your own country?

    Weird distinction.
    You have to compare like with like.
    I thought the whole point of being anti-immigration was that foreigners weren't like us.

    I think you've been caught in a minor inconsistency my dear old thing.
    He has. He's been Williamed and if he's anything like the man I think he is he will gracefully accept the reversal.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,342
    Evening all :)

    Perhaps I've missed our discussion of the latest Senedd poll:

    https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2026-03-24/fm-eluned-morgan-on-course-to-lose-seat-in-senedd-election-itv-wales-poll

    Despite the headline, it's not as bad for Labour as the previous poll (they are +3). Terrible poll for the Conservatives which would see them left with just one AM and the LDs would be wiped out.

    Good poll for Reform but they aren't getting anywhere near Government on these numbers - Plaid, however, have options - they can form a majority coalition with either Labour or the Greens.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,709
    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    If this is as presented, it is a simply astonishing ruling that completely undermines any pretensions of natural justice within the immigration system
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,365
    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Relative poverty is more about equality than measuring how many people are essentially destitute. It feels like shifting the goalposts. If poverty was about not being able to heat your home or choose heat or eat, relative measures can be affected by perverse incentives.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,644

    Denmark

    Polls close 7pm GMT

    https://www.dr.dk/drtv/kanal/dr1_20875

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Danish_general_election

    https://valgtal.dk/fv26/valgaften

    Official results site unresponsive so will post a link if I find a decent one elsewhere.

    Thanks,

    DC

    The status quo again thanks to loathing of Trump the invader is the prediction.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,365
    MattW said:

    I can't see the article, but I'm inclined to think the Times is overcooking it. We are alongside the French and the Yanks and I doubt we a re "leading" it in the way implied.

    Time will tell.
    Leading as in ‘you chaps don’t mind being in front, do you?’
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,676

    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Relative poverty is more about equality than measuring how many people are essentially destitute. It feels like shifting the goalposts. If poverty was about not being able to heat your home or choose heat or eat, relative measures can be affected by perverse incentives.
    Exactly. So why worry about the UK becoming 'relatively' impoverished?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,007
    MaxPB said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    The problem is, of course, that you have to be a bit careful when criticising judges due to contempt of court rules.

    But how can you not hold them in contempt when they say and do stupid things like this?

    It's not as though it's recent either. Tom Denning and David Eady were both pretty dodgy.
    There's just a complete lack of accountability for judges. They exist isolation from their decisions and the havoc they can have on the wider community. Obviously this government won't do anything about it but I think both the Tories and Reform should propose something similar to this in their manifestoes on a justice reform section.
    If that is the law, and it's considered inequitable or giving perverse outcomes, it's for parliament to change the law.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,365
    Leon said:

    Praise be to @Apple. I will never hear a word against them, ever again


    Just chucked a scruffy rucksack in my washing machine, after getting back from Kent. It went through 90 minutes of washing, then 60 minutes of rinsing & spinning . THEN I realised my Airpods, latest model, £250 or whatever, were in one of the pockets

    I abandoned hope - but let them dry.....

    They work fine

    That is OUTSTANDING build quality

    And to prove it’s not n=1 your stalker just posted the exact same thing…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,622
    Maybe it's time for elected judges.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,300
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    If this is as presented, it is a simply astonishing ruling that completely undermines any pretensions of natural justice within the immigration system
    Since when were mistakes a defence under the law?

    Seems an utterly bizzare ruling.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,854
    Has this site become LukeTrylsTweets.com?
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,228
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Relative poverty is more about equality than measuring how many people are essentially destitute. It feels like shifting the goalposts. If poverty was about not being able to heat your home or choose heat or eat, relative measures can be affected by perverse incentives.
    Exactly. So why worry about the UK becoming 'relatively' impoverished?
    Says a guy with over half a dozen homes that would be caught by the mansion tax in his road.

    Nearest one to me, 10 miles away 😂😂😂😂
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,285

    Leon said:

    Praise be to @Apple. I will never hear a word against them, ever again


    Just chucked a scruffy rucksack in my washing machine, after getting back from Kent. It went through 90 minutes of washing, then 60 minutes of rinsing & spinning . THEN I realised my Airpods, latest model, £250 or whatever, were in one of the pockets

    I abandoned hope - but let them dry.....

    They work fine

    That is OUTSTANDING build quality

    And to prove it’s not n=1 your stalker just posted the exact same thing…
    Twice in a day, to two different people. Even fuckin' crazier

    Apple are COOKING
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    edited 7:18PM

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    If this is as presented, it is a simply astonishing ruling that completely undermines any pretensions of natural justice within the immigration system
    Since when were mistakes a defence under the law?

    In certain circumstances I think it can be, when it comes to whether there's required to be intent etc. It's why ostensible geniuses and high powered executives demanading millions in pay suddenly claim to be utter cretins making mistakes who had no idea something was a crime when they did it.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,386
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe it's time for elected judges.

    That would be a bad idea IMO and just as worse would be politically appointed ones .

    Some judges make stupid decisions but knee jerk reactions could see an even worse scenario .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,909
    edited 7:18PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe it's time for elected judges.

    Why would that be an improvement? The USA shows quite well why elected judges and appointed judges can both be awful.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,854

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    If this is as presented, it is a simply astonishing ruling that completely undermines any pretensions of natural justice within the immigration system
    Since when were mistakes a defence under the law?

    Seems an utterly bizzare ruling.
    Ignorance of the law is an no excuse?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,316

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    Wow! And it was all going so well until the Conservatives left office 20 months ago.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,285
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    I thought the Right viewed the 'relative poverty' metric as a load of cobblers.
    Relative poverty is more about equality than measuring how many people are essentially destitute. It feels like shifting the goalposts. If poverty was about not being able to heat your home or choose heat or eat, relative measures can be affected by perverse incentives.
    Exactly. So why worry about the UK becoming 'relatively' impoverished?
    Because, as @williamglenn notes, it means Britain looks relatively impoverished, more and more, compared to other countries. For the main reason that we ARE

    I travel the globe, in case you haven't noticed, and I see this all the time. Britain looking more and more clapped out in comparison to others

    HOWEVER, and to be fair, this is true of many western European nations, with exceptions like Denmark, Norway, Switzerland - they look increasingly bedraggled compared to the USA, East Asia, Australia, etc

    Much of it is immigration of the most astonishingly stupid variety. It's hard for a country to look rich when you've got illiterate Afghans or Somalians aimlessly wandering the streets with nothing to do because there is literally nothing for them to do - even if they want to work (as of course very many do) they don't have the skills. So they become welfare bums, or just itinerants
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,709
    AnneJGP said:

    MaxPB said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    The problem is, of course, that you have to be a bit careful when criticising judges due to contempt of court rules.

    But how can you not hold them in contempt when they say and do stupid things like this?

    It's not as though it's recent either. Tom Denning and David Eady were both pretty dodgy.
    There's just a complete lack of accountability for judges. They exist isolation from their decisions and the havoc they can have on the wider community. Obviously this government won't do anything about it but I think both the Tories and Reform should propose something similar to this in their manifestoes on a justice reform section.
    If that is the law, and it's considered inequitable or giving perverse outcomes, it's for parliament to change the law.
    Nah, this one isn't Parliaments failing - Failing to disclose you have a conviction for child abuse is not an "honest mistake". That is entirely on the judge as the arbiter of the case. If anyone has a link to the judgement I'd be grateful so I can examine it first hand.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,342
    Evening all :)

    Looking at the Danish exit poll numbers, pretty much what the last polls were showing.

    Historically awful results for the Social Democrats and Venstre (the traditional Danish parties who were the leaders of the rival govenring coalition blocks but were together in the outgoing Frederiksen coalition).

    Good results for the competing parties of the "left" and "right" with advances for the Socialistiske Folkeparti, Liberal Alliance and Danish People's Party but the main winner of the evening looks to be Lars Lokke Rasmussen of the Moderates who have defied the traditional rule of junior coalition partners taking a pounding at the next elections.

    The seat projections have the "Red" Bloc of parties winning 83 seats and the "Blue" bloc winning 78 and the Moderates winning 14 leaving Rasmussen as kingmaker for the next Government.

    However,both the prospective coalitions look unstable - they have a range of parties not all of whom play nicely together.

    It may be with the Moderates onside some of the more "interesting" elements can be discarded but would Rasmussen work with the Socialistiske Folkeparti or the Danish People's Party?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,902
    edited 7:23PM
    edit
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,285

    A grim prognosis from Professor Azeem Ibrahim:

    https://x.com/AzeemIbrahim/status/2035361179879547244

    Britain is now in accelerated decline - gradual for decades, now at risk of sudden collapse.

    My stark verdict: unchecked, UK heading for relative poverty - a deindustrialised, sectarian, indebted island with first-rate pretensions & third-rate power.

    Wow! And it was all going so well until the Conservatives left office 20 months ago.
    The Tories are more to blame for our current state than Labour. They've had more time in office, these last three decades, and they are meant to be the smart capitalists who make amends for mad socialism. I hope the Conservatives DIE
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,826
    AnneJGP said:

    MaxPB said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    lol

    We’re a nation of mugs.

    I’m sure this Judge has considered any potential victims. Nonces are known for their honesty.

    ‘ Paedophile migrant who failed to disclose child sex offence after coming to UK wins appeal against deportation as judge rules it was 'honest mistake’

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2036053935606124883?s=61

    This judge should have liability for this person's future crimes. When he commits rape and sexual assaults against children in this country the judge should also be put on trial for this completely ridiculous decision.

    Making judges accountable for their stupid rulings is going to be the only way to change things.
    The problem is, of course, that you have to be a bit careful when criticising judges due to contempt of court rules.

    But how can you not hold them in contempt when they say and do stupid things like this?

    It's not as though it's recent either. Tom Denning and David Eady were both pretty dodgy.
    There's just a complete lack of accountability for judges. They exist isolation from their decisions and the havoc they can have on the wider community. Obviously this government won't do anything about it but I think both the Tories and Reform should propose something similar to this in their manifestoes on a justice reform section.
    If that is the law, and it's considered inequitable or giving perverse outcomes, it's for parliament to change the law.
    Some years ago, I encountered a situation where some might say the judge was in contempt of *her own court*.

    Funky, yes?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,639

    Have I got this correct?

    The Chief of Staff of the UK PM's phone got stolen and nothing was done?

    It could be in the bloody Kremlin by now.

    Am I going mad?

    The Trumpification of UK politics has already started...
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