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Rachel Reeves & Sir Sadiq Khan speak for the nation – politicalbetting.com

And now Sadiq Khan has switched from saying the UK should join the customs union and single market to endorsing a return to the EU – our latest poll found 54% in favour of rejoining ?

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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,966
    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,217
    I suppose rejoining the EU for Labour is the same as chastity for St Augustine: Yes, Lord, but not yet.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,119
    edited 4:12PM
    The problem for REJOIN is the terms of rejoining. Of course a lot of people like the airy fairy notion of going back in, but that's without any of terms being agreed.

    How does the polling look when people are asked about rejoining and giving up the Pound, for example?

    That said, I personally would be up for a Norway style agreement and that is what we should have been aiming for from the very start and probably would have been if Cameron hadn't buggered off!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,286
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    Trump is a shi'ite President to be dealing with Iran.

    He is going to TACO, again.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,763
    GIN1138 said:

    The problem for REJOIN is the terms of rejoining. Of course a lot of people like the airy fairy notion of going back in, but that's without any of terms being agreed.

    How does the polling look when people are asked about rejoining and giving up the Pound, for example?

    That said, I personally would be up for a Norway style agreement and that is where we should have been aiming for from the very start and probably would have done if Cameron hadn't buggered off!

    We'd could easily negotiate terms whereby we keep the pound. If John Major could do it I'm sure a smooth operator like Nigel Farage would have no trouble.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,454
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    Who knows? Probably someone is speaking to someone else. Is that "we"? Are they "negotiations"?

    The real problem with Trump is he changes his mind according to whoever he spoke to last, and that person will be a clueless grifter (and perhaps a relative) since he cleared out the professionals at the start of his reign.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    So, Trump is bored with Iran, it won't be his legacy.

    But - Cuba! "CUBA BABY. I did what JFK couldn't - I brought Cuba into the American fold. Held it very very tightly. It's going nowhere..."

    That will be next month's wall-to-wall Trump coverage.

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,758
    If the NF are in power in France, and the AfD in Germany, Orban in Hungary and Meloni in Italy, then PM Farage would probably like to join.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,454
    MarqueeMark said:

    So, Trump is bored with Iran, it won't be his legacy.

    But - Cuba! "CUBA BABY. I did what JFK couldn't - I brought Cuba into the American fold. Held it very very tightly. It's going nowhere..."

    That will be next month's wall-to-wall Trump coverage.

    Cuba is Rubio's pet project.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    Only 46% strongly or weakly disagree with the notion of keeping things as they are with the EU.

    Things will stay as they are.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    GIN1138 said:

    Remember the day of poll, poll that had REMAIN winning by 10%? 😂

    Well, Farage did concede at 10.15 pm on the day.

    Shows what he knew!
  • glwglw Posts: 10,845
    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    A few days ago Trump said that a former President had spoken to him and they had said to him that they regretted not attacking Iran. The press went round the offices of the living ex-Presidents and all of them denied having spoken to Trump recently.

    It can't really be the case that Trump's peace talks are fictitious can it?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,454
    MarqueeMark said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Remember the day of poll, poll that had REMAIN winning by 10%? 😂

    Well, Farage did concede at 10.15 pm on the day.

    Shows what he knew!
    Farage also wanted a second referendum when he thought he'd lost.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,119
    MarqueeMark said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Remember the day of poll, poll that had REMAIN winning by 10%? 😂

    Well, Farage did concede at 10.15 pm on the day.

    Shows what he knew!
    That's what he hoped would happen so he could stay on the gravy train... Even now, he can't see to take YES/LEAVE for an answer, can he? 😂
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,572
    edited 4:25PM
    I'd missed that Alba are officially dissolving themselves!

    Tommy Sheridan has set up a new party in response.
  • PoodleInASlipstreamPoodleInASlipstream Posts: 740
    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,119
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    A few days ago Trump said that a former President had spoken to him and they had said to him that they regretted not attacking Iran. The press went round the offices of the living ex-Presidents and all of them denied having spoken to Trump recently.

    It can't really be the case that Trump's peace talks are fictitious can it?
    He might have had a seance with Jimmy Carter?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,812
    edited 4:33PM
    I am in the 62% which wants a closer relationship without re-joining

    Mind you I think we have enough to be dealing with without a battle over the EU membership
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,966
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    A few days ago Trump said that a former President had spoken to him and they had said to him that they regretted not attacking Iran. The press went round the offices of the living ex-Presidents and all of them denied having spoken to Trump recently.

    It can't really be the case that Trump's peace talks are fictitious can it?
    There's a picture...



  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,805
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    A few days ago Trump said that a former President had spoken to him and they had said to him that they regretted not attacking Iran. The press went round the offices of the living ex-Presidents and all of them denied having spoken to Trump recently.

    It can't really be the case that Trump's peace talks are fictitious can it?
    I wouldn't be surprised if one of ex-presidents said that they regretted not having solved the Iranian nuclear issue,

    Which Trump then interpreted as "We should have nuked Tehran!!!!"
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,954
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    A few days ago Trump said that a former President had spoken to him and they had said to him that they regretted not attacking Iran. The press went round the offices of the living ex-Presidents and all of them denied having spoken to Trump recently.

    It can't really be the case that Trump's peace talks are fictitious can it?
    How do you know it was a living ex-President?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,034
    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,119
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,287
    edited 4:40PM
    While we watch the events in the Middle East, the situation in Ukraine is still a disaster for Putin- over 8000 Russian dead in the last week. Genuine American support for Zelensky would have knocked Putin out a long time ago.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,034
    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    I can’t even make a joke now!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,119
    edited 4:43PM
    Nigelb said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Remember the day of poll, poll that had REMAIN winning by 10%? 😂

    Boot is on the other foot now, though.

    Brexit has comprehensively failed in the view of the British public.
    That's one con job Farage can't pull uff again.
    As Farage has spent five years telling everyone Brexit has never happend, it's no wonder everyone (including LEAVE voters) have given up.

    The man's a fool (unless, as I suspect, he didn't want to LEAVE in the first place)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,478
    edited 4:43PM
    20/1 is not terrible odds.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,966
    @mgerrydoyle.bsky.social‬

    japanese-managed tanker carries oil from iraq to india through strait

    https://bsky.app/profile/mgerrydoyle.bsky.social/post/3mhqiivy7ws2a
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,801
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    I can’t even make a joke now!
    What do you mean 'now'?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,478
    wooliedyed said:

    Brexiteers best hope for perma divorce is that Starmer fronts a rejoin referendum

    Boris. Gove and Farage fronting the No campaign ?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,106
    Cicero said:

    While we watch the events in the Middle East, the situation in Ukraine is still a disaster for Putin- over 8000 Russian dead in the last week. Genuine American support for Zelensky would have knocked Putin out a long time ago.

    Very quick BOAFP calculation suggests to me that with death and emigration, Russia must have lost around 2-4% of its working-age men.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,376
    The EU will have nothing to do with a further UK psycho drama unless there’s an overwhelming majority to rejoin .

    Unless there’s a clear Euro opt out then I don’t see you’ll get a clear majority for rejoining .

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,294
    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    Farage was bitter for 44 years. Boris was bitter for the duration of the Referendum campaign.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,631
    GIN1138 said:

    Remember the day of poll, poll that had REMAIN winning by 10%? 😂

    Angus Reid?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,294
    Scott_xP said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    A few days ago Trump said that a former President had spoken to him and they had said to him that they regretted not attacking Iran. The press went round the offices of the living ex-Presidents and all of them denied having spoken to Trump recently.

    It can't really be the case that Trump's peace talks are fictitious can it?
    There's a picture...



    Nice to meet you President Newscum.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,305
    Scott_xP said:

    @mgerrydoyle.bsky.social‬

    japanese-managed tanker carries oil from iraq to india through strait

    https://bsky.app/profile/mgerrydoyle.bsky.social/post/3mhqiivy7ws2a

    I wish they were sailing to Cuba for the LOLs
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,805
    nico67 said:

    The EU will have nothing to do with a further UK psycho drama unless there’s an overwhelming majority to rejoin .

    Unless there’s a clear Euro opt out then I don’t see you’ll get a clear majority for rejoining .

    The Euro is only a problem because of the people in UK politics who would push for it.

    In fact, you could easily never quite be ready for the Euro. Especially since aligning the budget with the EU rules would probably cause lots of pain.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,554
    edited 4:58PM
    It would be madness to have another referendum and campaign.
    Rejoin/realign quietly and have an AI Little England for those who still believe leaving is better.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,106
    My guess is that 75% of the movement in public opinion on Brexit is nostalgia for the time before Trump, Covid and Ukraine.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,966
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iran’s demands before agreeing to end the war, via the WSJ:

    * Iran controls access to the Strait of Hormuz and collects transit fees

    * guarantees that the war would not restart

    * an end to Israeli attacks on Hezbollah.

    * the closure of US military bases in the Gulf and financial compensation
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,294
    Cookie said:

    My guess is that 75% of the movement in public opinion on Brexit is nostalgia for the time before Trump, Covid and Ukraine.

    Or queuing up for hours with the Russians while the purple passports fly through Alicante airport immigration control.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,757
    edited 5:06PM
    Rachel Reeves and Sadiq Khan do NOT speak for me.
    If I .have something to say I will say it myself. I wouldn't trust either of them with anything. Both have no.idea of the truth. Khan is even worse than Reeves if that's possible.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,526
    Mexicanpete said:

    Cookie said:

    My guess is that 75% of the movement in public opinion on Brexit is nostalgia for the time before Trump, Covid and Ukraine.

    Or queuing up for hours with the Russians while the purple passports fly through Alicante airport immigration control.
    But that goes away soon. After this year's little adjustment makes it temporarily worse, we'll be nipping through automated gates everywhere.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,119
    Roger said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Remember the day of poll, poll that had REMAIN winning by 10%? 😂

    Angus Reid?
    Populus.

    And as you're here; have you posted yet about why the Jewish community deserved to have their charity ambulances destroyed?

    As our resident multi-millionaire, Cote D' Azur residing, anti-Semitic leftie, I'm sure you have a reason for why the Jewish community brought this on themselves?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,954
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iran’s demands before agreeing to end the war, via the WSJ:

    * Iran controls access to the Strait of Hormuz and collects transit fees

    * guarantees that the war would not restart

    * an end to Israeli attacks on Hezbollah.

    * the closure of US military bases in the Gulf and financial compensation

    Hezbollah winding their neck in and closing down activity in Lebanon would be a quid pro quo. And would give the Lebanese a chance!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,119
    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    I'm still bitter! I've believed in, and campaigned for, European unity since about 1960. You bet I'm still bitter.

    I'm only hanging on to see us Rejoin!
    We all want to you to hang on forever... ❤
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,003
    How much will it cost and where will the money come from?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,954
    edited 5:14PM
    GIN1138 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    I'm still bitter! I've believed in, and campaigned for, European unity since about 1960. You bet I'm still bitter.

    I'm only hanging on to see us Rejoin!
    We all want to you to hang on forever... ❤
    Sounds good, but I'm not entirely sure how to take that, given my sentiments!

    I'll do my best though!!!!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,119
    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    I'm still bitter! I've believed in, and campaigned for, European unity since about 1960. You bet I'm still bitter.

    I'm only hanging on to see us Rejoin!
    We all want to you to hang on forever... ❤
    Sounds good, but I'm not entirely sure how to take that, given my sentiments!

    I'll do my best though!!!!
    No it's true.

    You have always been one of my favourites on here. I want you to stay with us forever, irrespective of whether we REJOIN or STAY OUT!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,621
    edited 5:20PM
    Is Allah a Remainer, then??
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,621
    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    :innocent:

    Leave 52%
    Remain 48%

    [runs and hides!]
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,954
    GIN1138 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    I'm still bitter! I've believed in, and campaigned for, European unity since about 1960. You bet I'm still bitter.

    I'm only hanging on to see us Rejoin!
    We all want to you to hang on forever... ❤
    Sounds good, but I'm not entirely sure how to take that, given my sentiments!

    I'll do my best though!!!!
    No it's true.

    You have always been one of my favourites on here. I want you to stay with us forever, irrespective of whether we REJOIN or STAY OUT!
    Thank you.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,217
    AnneJGP said:

    How much will it cost and where will the money come from?

    I'm not saying rejoining will instantly undo all the costs and economic damage of Brexit, but that's the idea.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,211
    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,395
    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    We have GDPR now, and low growth is more than no growth.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,631
    OT. CNN Anchor furious and she spot on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlgrj7w5nc8
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,217
    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,211
    Rejoin the EU for a piece of this action

    https://x.com/compliance_babe/status/2036118303144390981?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,211
    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
    I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

    Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,294
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    :innocent:

    Leave 52%
    Remain 48%

    [runs and hides!]
    That doesn't really help.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    Mexicanpete said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    :innocent:

    Leave 52%
    Remain 48%

    [runs and hides!]
    That doesn't really help.
    Makes me feel better....
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,211
    So, one point, why would the EU want us back ?

    We were hardly model members last time.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,805
    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
    I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

    Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?
    GDPR isn't the problem - as regulations go, it is actually mostly sensible. You can turn it into a farce/disaster by incompetent arseclowns using it as their Stick Of Power to try and make everyone in an organisation dance to their tune. But 'twas ever thus.

    As PJ O'Rourke put it - "The beauty of a well design facism, is that it gives every piss-ant an ant hill to piss from"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,034
    Taz said:

    So, one point, why would the EU want us back ?

    We were hardly model members last time.

    Luke 15:7 applies.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,174
    glw said:


    A few days ago Trump said that a former President had spoken to him and they had said to him that they regretted not attacking Iran.

    Someone should point out to him that Napoleon was never president of the USA.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,805
    Taz said:

    So, one point, why would the EU want us back ?

    We were hardly model members last time.

    Contributions.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,944
    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
    I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

    Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?
    Because our current trading arrangements (no tariffs, sure, but lots of paperwork) are worse than the ones we had before. So lots of small businesses concluded that the game isn't worth the candle.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,478
    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    I'm still bitter! I've believed in, and campaigned for, European unity since about 1960. You bet I'm still bitter.

    I'm only hanging on to see us Rejoin!
    We will do our best for you, OKC.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,478
    edited 5:39PM
    Farage laughed out of Felixstowe:
    https://x.com/BpdLion/status/2036096163464540171

    He would face that sort of thing every day of a rejoin campaign.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,044
    edited 5:38PM
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    So, one point, why would the EU want us back ?

    We were hardly model members last time.

    Luke 15:7 applies.
    I don't know if there's a Biblical quote that goes "And the multitude raised their eyes to the sky and did mutter softly 'Oh Lord above I pray you, not this s**t again.'", but if there is it's a good fit
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,286
    Stuartinromford said:

    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
    I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

    Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?
    Because our current trading arrangements (no tariffs, sure, but lots of paperwork) are worse than the ones we had before. So lots of small businesses concluded that the game isn't worth the candle.
    And yet we have grown faster per capita than the EU, both in recent years and over the longer term.

    Takes a bizarre kind of hubris to think we would have grown even faster than them, if only we had remained members.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 148
    AnneJGP said:

    How much will it cost and where will the money come from?

    Were you a remainer at the Brexit referendum when exactly the same economic questions were asked about leaving?

    Anyway, it'll be closer alignment, rather than rejoining.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,631
    Malmesbury said:

    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
    I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

    Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?
    GDPR isn't the problem - as regulations go, it is actually mostly sensible. You can turn it into a farce/disaster by incompetent arseclowns using it as their Stick Of Power to try and make everyone in an organisation dance to their tune. But 'twas ever thus.

    As PJ O'Rourke put it - "The beauty of a well design facism, is that it gives every piss-ant an ant hill to piss from"
    Not one of his best
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,474
    Despite what the polling says, Starmer would be mad to re-open the Brexit wounds in the short- to medium-term, so he won't do it. It would be electoral poison.

    As an avid remainer-leftie, my best hope for re-joining would be a timescale of between 10 and 15 years, after a gradual tightening of links, and even then I'm not too optimistic.

    I reckon the polling would have to show over 65%, rather than 54%, in favour of re-joining for Labour to seriously contemplate re-running the Brexit wars.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,478
    We have our scapegoat, ladies & gentlemen.

    Trump blames Hegseth for the war: "Pete, I think you were the first one to speak up. You said, 'Let's do it.'"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036125189172244962
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,994
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King says he is negotiating with the speaker of the Iranian Parliament.

    ‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

    Speaker of Iran’s Parliament.

    https://bsky.app/profile/ronfilipkowski.bsky.social/post/3mhqgnwjl4227

    Trump is a shi'ite President to be dealing with Iran.

    He is going to TACO, again.
    I think in this case all we can say is “thank god”. He was about to go to a whole new level of stupid, even for him, with horrendous consequences for us all.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,211
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    So, one point, why would the EU want us back ?

    We were hardly model members last time.

    Luke 15:7 applies.
    The only passage I know is Austin 3:16
  • eekeek Posts: 32,997
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
    I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

    Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?
    Because our current trading arrangements (no tariffs, sure, but lots of paperwork) are worse than the ones we had before. So lots of small businesses concluded that the game isn't worth the candle.
    And yet we have grown faster per capita than the EU, both in recent years and over the longer term.

    Takes a bizarre kind of hubris to think we would have grown even faster than them, if only we had remained members.
    Love to see where you are getting your data from - as a counter argument look at Poland
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,631
    squareroot2 said:

    Rachel Reeves and Sadiq Khan do NOT speak for me.
    If I .have something to say I will say it myself. I wouldn't trust either of them with anything. Both have no.idea of the truth. Khan is even worse than Reeves if that's possible.

    I'm sure the gathered ranks of the British people are waiting with baited breath..........
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,211
    Stuartinromford said:

    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
    I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

    Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?
    Because our current trading arrangements (no tariffs, sure, but lots of paperwork) are worse than the ones we had before. So lots of small businesses concluded that the game isn't worth the candle.
    That’s not my experience. Other experiences may apply.

    The only issue I had was a couple of my contracts required us to change to FOB from DAP.

    Cost us nothing as we did not need to recruit anyone for it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,827
    Nigelb said:

    We have our scapegoat, ladies & gentlemen.

    Trump blames Hegseth for the war: "Pete, I think you were the first one to speak up. You said, 'Let's do it.'"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036125189172244962

    One of the least surprising developments in years.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,404
    eek said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

    And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

    * I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.
    I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

    Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?
    Because our current trading arrangements (no tariffs, sure, but lots of paperwork) are worse than the ones we had before. So lots of small businesses concluded that the game isn't worth the candle.
    And yet we have grown faster per capita than the EU, both in recent years and over the longer term.

    Takes a bizarre kind of hubris to think we would have grown even faster than them, if only we had remained members.
    Love to see where you are getting your data from - as a counter argument look at Poland
    Poland that is the biggest net recipient of EU funds, still uses coal for over 50% of its electricity and is still catching up after decades of communism? It's not a valid comparator for the UK in any way.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 148
    squareroot2 said:

    Rachel Reeves and Sadiq Khan do NOT speak for me.
    If I .have something to say I will say it myself. I wouldn't trust either of them with anything. Both have no.idea of the truth. Khan is even worse than Reeves if that's possible.

    What are you talking about? When did they ever say they speak for you?
  • StarryStarry Posts: 148
    Taz said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Taz said:

    So, one point, why would the EU want us back ?

    We were hardly model members last time.

    Luke 15:7 applies.
    The only passage I know is Austin 3:16
    Forfar 4:5 East Fife
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,954
    Nigelb said:

    We have our scapegoat, ladies & gentlemen.

    Trump blames Hegseth for the war: "Pete, I think you were the first one to speak up. You said, 'Let's do it.'"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036125189172244962

    Hegseth had better start looking for a new job.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,647
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iran’s demands before agreeing to end the war, via the WSJ:

    * Iran controls access to the Strait of Hormuz and collects transit fees

    * guarantees that the war would not restart

    * an end to Israeli attacks on Hezbollah.

    * the closure of US military bases in the Gulf and financial compensation

    Otherwise they'll disrupt and destroy their little hearts out.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,994
    Nigelb said:

    We have our scapegoat, ladies & gentlemen.

    Trump blames Hegseth for the war: "Pete, I think you were the first one to speak up. You said, 'Let's do it.'"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036125189172244962

    Don’t knock it. The fact that we are getting to the find someone to blame other than Donald is a good sign.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,211
    What could possibly go wrong !


    ‘ BREAKING: OpenAI is offering PE firms, such as TPG and Advent, a guaranteed 17.5% minimum return as it battles Anthropic to secure major joint venture partnerships and accelerate enterprise AI adoption’


    https://x.com/exec_sum/status/2036086151467913424?s=61
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,044
    Roger said:

    squareroot2 said:

    Rachel Reeves and Sadiq Khan do NOT speak for me.
    If I .have something to say I will say it myself. I wouldn't trust either of them with anything. Both have no.idea of the truth. Khan is even worse than Reeves if that's possible.

    I'm sure the gathered ranks of the British people are waiting with baited breath..........
    Bated breath
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,325
    edited 5:53PM
    The referendum could only promise that HMG would apply to join the EU. It couldn’t promise it actually happening.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,647
    OldKingCole said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    PoodleInASlipstream said:

    The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

    Stop talking the UK down.

    It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.
    TSE still bitter, ten years on... :(
    I'm still bitter! I've believed in, and campaigned for, European unity since about 1960. You bet I'm still bitter.

    I'm only hanging on to see us Rejoin!
    It's a sign of maturity to recognise when you've made a bad call and seek to reverse it. I'd like to think we live in such a country.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,801
    https://x.com/i/status/2036134301666799925

    Nicks obviously told Reform hes not defecting, lol
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,758
    Malmesbury said:

    nico67 said:

    The EU will have nothing to do with a further UK psycho drama unless there’s an overwhelming majority to rejoin .

    Unless there’s a clear Euro opt out then I don’t see you’ll get a clear majority for rejoining .

    The Euro is only a problem because of the people in UK politics who would push for it.

    In fact, you could easily never quite be ready for the Euro. Especially since aligning the budget with the EU rules would probably cause lots of pain.
    A nation that is addicted to 'coin clipping' needs its own currency - or it can give up it's addiction to using inflation to devalue it's debts.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,994
    OldKingCole said:

    Nigelb said:

    We have our scapegoat, ladies & gentlemen.

    Trump blames Hegseth for the war: "Pete, I think you were the first one to speak up. You said, 'Let's do it.'"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036125189172244962

    Hegseth had better start looking for a new job.
    Depends how much grifting he has been doing. He may not need one.
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