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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,617

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    Trump Always Chickens Out.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,264
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often


    I'm from Whitstable, well the nearby village of Blean anyway, and am typing this from the family beach hut just past the Hotel Continental over on Tankerton Slopes. I'd give you directions and offer you a beer but I guess I'm in at least the bottom 3 of PBers you'd want to meet in person.

    In case of interest, you're next door to where I lost my virginity, back of the Whitstable umbrella, in May 1990. Good times
    You are really lucky! It’s a rather pleasant place. Cheers!

    And no you are not on any list, I generally don’t meet any PBers because I’ve discovered that if I do - eg @rcs1000 and @Peter_the_Punter - I end up liking them, and then I can’t really insult and abuse them on the site. And I love hurling insults and abuse, obvs

    I shall however make a pilgrimage to your cherry popping spot

    If you want to reciprocate, mine was Room 247 in Ramsay Hall of Residence, London W1, deep in Fitzrovia, my first year at UCL

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,696
    Looks like Trump's blinked, not used to dealing with people madder than he is I guess :D
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,032

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    Trump has a history of following through.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,952
    edited 1:30PM

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    See my prior remark. The fact is Dan has no idea if this is true. The only people that do are in the White House and at the top of the Iranian regime

    Given that both sides have a penchant and a motivation for lying we will likely never find out
    Some people are far more interested in Trump being seen to be defeated than they are the Iranian regime.
    Perhaps because, of the two, Trump is more able to inflict damage directly on our lives?

    I'm not sure it's irrational or unpatriotic to want Iran to force Trump to rethink.

    ETA: I see OLB got there before me with a similar remark.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    edited 1:29PM
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Every single coastal town in the UK should have a version of The Royal Whitstable Oyster Company. A breezy airy lovely old seaside gastropubby restaurant, where you can reliably get good oysters (and everything else seafood)

    Britain has some of the very best seafood on the planet. It’s mad that it’s so hard to get, in Britain

    I remember some years ago having absolutely delicious crustaceans fresh off the BBQ in Portugal and, I noticed on the boxes, fresh off the boat from Oban in Scotland where they had been harvested. If you found them for sale in this country at all they were some rare delicacy at multiple times the price. It was more than a bit frustrating. Its got a bit better, there are more seafood restaurants than there were but we could still do a lot better.
    When I stay on Barra, there is a sizeable processing plant there with many of the wagons heading on the ferry to Oban with Spanish plates.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,696

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    You must be very disappointed with Trump today
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,283
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Trump's blinked, not used to dealing with people madder than he is I guess :D

    He's just sticking to TACO form.

    Day early though, its normally TACO Tuesday. He screwed up setting a 48 hour deadline that ended on a Monday.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,283
    Pulpstar said:

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    You must be very disappointed with Trump today
    Its a day ending in the letter y, so yes.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,035
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often
    Aren't you the last person in London to have discovered Whitstable?
    Yes. But I rather like the fact I can still unearth HIDDEN GEMS in my own backyard. There are always new places to explore. Even in Kent
    Next week our global travel correspondent continues his series of "BACKYARD HIDDEN GEMS" with the surprise realisation that Tower Bridge is an extraordinary bridge, which even lifts up, just IMAGINE!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,962
    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,511
    edited 1:34PM

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often


    I'm from Whitstable, well the nearby village of Blean anyway, and am typing this from the family beach hut just past the Hotel Continental over on Tankerton Slopes. I'd give you directions and offer you a beer but I guess I'm in at least the bottom 3 of PBers you'd want to meet in person.

    In case of interest, you're next door to where I lost my virginity, back of the Whitstable umbrella, in May 1990. Good times
    Should we petition for a blue plaque to be erected there to commemorate the happy event?
    Deleted (too gross even for me)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,283

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often
    Aren't you the last person in London to have discovered Whitstable?
    Yes. But I rather like the fact I can still unearth HIDDEN GEMS in my own backyard. There are always new places to explore. Even in Kent
    Next week our global travel correspondent continues his series of "BACKYARD HIDDEN GEMS" with the surprise realisation that Tower Bridge is an extraordinary bridge, which even lifts up, just IMAGINE!
    The following week our global travel correspondent discovers a hidden Palace in Westminster with, get this, a big CLOCK TOWER.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,756
    Leon said:

    Every single coastal town in the UK should have a version of The Royal Whitstable Oyster Company. A breezy airy lovely old seaside gastropubby restaurant, where you can reliably get good oysters (and everything else seafood)

    Britain has some of the very best seafood on the planet. It’s mad that it’s so hard to get, in Britain

    Not everyone has the same tastes as you.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,094

    Scott_xP said:

    @ariehkovler.com‬

    I think in the next few hours we may hear:

    - Iranian denials of any negotiations
    - Some pretty bellicose Iranian rhetoric around winning, TACO.
    - observations that the Strait of Hormuz is still closed
    - Israeli attacks intensifying
    - Trump reversing positions

    Yeah I can see all of those except the last, Trump has folded.
    He's the King of TACO.
    Make announcement when markets are closed.
    Markets fall dramatically on opening.
    Buy shares at 11am.
    Reverse annoucement at 11.30am.
    Sell shares at 12 noon as market dramatically rallies.
    Profit.

    Trump isn't that clever, but his associates are.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,264

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often
    Aren't you the last person in London to have discovered Whitstable?
    Yes. But I rather like the fact I can still unearth HIDDEN GEMS in my own backyard. There are always new places to explore. Even in Kent
    Next week our global travel correspondent continues his series of "BACKYARD HIDDEN GEMS" with the surprise realisation that Tower Bridge is an extraordinary bridge, which even lifts up, just IMAGINE!
    Apparently there’s a really cool “market” about 5 minutes from my flat, in Camden

    No idea what it’s like, but I’ll have a look and report back
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,325

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often


    I'm from Whitstable, well the nearby village of Blean anyway, and am typing this from the family beach hut just past the Hotel Continental over on Tankerton Slopes. I'd give you directions and offer you a beer but I guess I'm in at least the bottom 3 of PBers you'd want to meet in person.

    In case of interest, you're next door to where I lost my virginity, back of the Whitstable umbrella, in May 1990. Good times
    Should we petition for a blue plaque to be erected there to commemorate the happy event?
    They put one up, but souvenir hunters kept stealing it, so it's not there anymore.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,210

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    Given the discussions are alleged to have taken place via an intermediary both can be correct, based on interpretation,
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,264
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Every single coastal town in the UK should have a version of The Royal Whitstable Oyster Company. A breezy airy lovely old seaside gastropubby restaurant, where you can reliably get good oysters (and everything else seafood)

    Britain has some of the very best seafood on the planet. It’s mad that it’s so hard to get, in Britain

    I remember some years ago having absolutely delicious crustaceans fresh off the BBQ in Portugal and, I noticed on the boxes, fresh off the boat from Oban in Scotland where they had been harvested. If you found them for sale in this country at all they were some rare delicacy at multiple times the price. It was more than a bit frustrating. Its got a bit better, there are more seafood restaurants than there were but we could still do a lot better.
    Yeah, it’s improved (especially in places like the Hebrides, FWIW - also Cornwall), but it’s still quite often dismaying. The Iberians and the French adore seafood and they sensibly realise ours is the best. We don’t

    I remember 30 years ago eating at a restaurant in Skye and we ordered fish and it was frozen. Even as we ate it, we could see the local fishermen, outside on the quay, offloading superb fresh fish that was all going for export

  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 847
    OT - Times sets a new record for use of the word 'may' in a heading. Another benefit of just making your stories up I suppose...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,035
    Scott_xP said:

    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20

    A remarkable President, he has managed to make the S&P market trade like the next Spurs manager market, no ever President has even come close to that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,264

    Leon said:

    Every single coastal town in the UK should have a version of The Royal Whitstable Oyster Company. A breezy airy lovely old seaside gastropubby restaurant, where you can reliably get good oysters (and everything else seafood)

    Britain has some of the very best seafood on the planet. It’s mad that it’s so hard to get, in Britain

    Not everyone has the same tastes as you.
    Most people are plebs, agreed

    I can happily report that this large oyster restaurant is packed, for lunch, on a Monday. So clearly quite a few people do enjoy good fresh British seafood, when they are allowed
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,264

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    Again, you have zero idea if any of this is true. Why the F would you trust what the Iranian regime tells you? They are as inclined to crazy bluster as Trump, and considerably more evil in their intents and doings
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,398

    Scott_xP said:

    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20

    A remarkable President, he has managed to make the S&P market trade like the next Spurs manager market, no ever President has even come close to that.
    He's demonstrated that he's still in control and has "de-escalation dominance". Now the war can go on for another week while markets remain calm and then he can reactivate the ultimatum, or not, depending on what happens.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,617
    Leon said:

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    Again, you have zero idea if any of this is true. Why the F would you trust what the Iranian regime tells you? They are as inclined to crazy bluster as Trump, and considerably more evil in their intents and doings
    "American President, go fuck yourself!" :lol:
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,372

    Scott_xP said:

    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20

    A remarkable President, he has managed to make the S&P market trade like the next Spurs manager market, no ever President has even come close to that.
    He's demonstrated that he's still in control and has "de-escalation dominance". Now the war can go on for another week while markets remain calm and then he can reactivate the ultimatum, or not, depending on what happens.
    As Iran have demonstrated the ultimatum isn't worth shit so it doesn't really matter whether he reactivates it or not.

    Iran should try for some sanctions relief as a condition for reopening the strait. They'd probably get it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,473

    Scott_xP said:

    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20

    A remarkable President, he has managed to make the S&P market trade like the next Spurs manager market, no ever President has even come close to that.
    The Teapot Dome scandal was a storm in a teacup compared to Trump's oceanic scale corruption.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,473
    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20

    A remarkable President, he has managed to make the S&P market trade like the next Spurs manager market, no ever President has even come close to that.
    He's demonstrated that he's still in control and has "de-escalation dominance". Now the war can go on for another week while markets remain calm and then he can reactivate the ultimatum, or not, depending on what happens.
    As Iran have demonstrated the ultimatum isn't worth shit so it doesn't really matter whether he reactivates it or not.

    Iran should try for some sanctions relief as a condition for reopening the strait. They'd probably get it.
    Presents at another opportunity for some epic insider trading, so the merry go round is likely to have at least one more go round.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,756

    OT - Times sets a new record for use of the word 'may' in a heading. Another benefit of just making your stories up I suppose...

    Your moniker is a character from Paul Temple and the Spencer affair. Is it intended to refer to same?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,473

    OT - Times sets a new record for use of the word 'may' in a heading. Another benefit of just making your stories up I suppose...

    Your moniker is a character from Paul Temple and the Spencer affair. Is it intended to refer to same?
    Or a desperate attachment to a folding bike.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,524
    edited 2:04PM
    Leon said:

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    Again, you have zero idea if any of this is true. Why the F would you trust what the Iranian regime tells you? They are as inclined to crazy bluster as Trump, and considerably more evil in their intents and doings
    At the same time we don’t instantly believe Trump that talks did take place, and we have half a thought that stock market insider dealing is making people rich.

    Talks taking place would contradict what Trump keeps saying about no one left to talk to, the regime has been decapitated.

    Not having supporters and donors getting rich on stock markets would contradict what Trump asked them on their White House visit. “Did you all get a lot richer yesterday, playing the markets on Tariff Day.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,264

    Leon said:

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    Again, you have zero idea if any of this is true. Why the F would you trust what the Iranian regime tells you? They are as inclined to crazy bluster as Trump, and considerably more evil in their intents and doings
    At the same time we don’t instantly believe Trump that talks did take place, and have half a thought that stock market insider dealing is making people rich.
    Well, yes. Don’t trust either of them, especially during a war

    This is the case in any war, in fact. Truth is the first casualty, etc
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,035

    OT - Times sets a new record for use of the word 'may' in a heading. Another benefit of just making your stories up I suppose...

    In other media watch snippets - The Telegraph has managed make a story out of John Terry putting some approving emojis under a Rupert Lowe tweet. That's it, the whole story.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/03/22/john-terry-appears-to-back-rupert-lowe-call-for-burqa-ban/?recomm_id=02251515-b15c-434a-a91e-709d821f0d17
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,098
    Taz said:

    Iran quite flagrantly calling Trump's bluff.

    Iran's foreign ministry denies Tehran-Washington talks
    published at 13:08
    Iran's foreign ministry has issued a statement, saying: "We deny what US President Donald Trump said regarding negotiations taking place between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran."

    Quoted by CBS News, the BBC's US partner, the foreign ministry adds: "The Islamic Republic of Iran adheres to its position rejecting any type of negotiations before achieving Iran's goals from the war.”


    Don't bluff. If you say you're going to do something, follow through with it. America can and should follow through, but it is led by a fool.

    Given the discussions are alleged to have taken place via an intermediary both can be correct, based on interpretation,
    Maybe Trunpl seeing that Araghchi's posts sound very diifferent from the IRGC's, and then communicating with him through someone else.
  • Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often


    I'm from Whitstable, well the nearby village of Blean anyway, and am typing this from the family beach hut just past the Hotel Continental over on Tankerton Slopes. I'd give you directions and offer you a beer but I guess I'm in at least the bottom 3 of PBers you'd want to meet in person.

    In case of interest, you're next door to where I lost my virginity, back of the Whitstable umbrella, in May 1990. Good times
    You are really lucky! It’s a rather pleasant place. Cheers!

    And no you are not on any list, I generally don’t meet any PBers because I’ve discovered that if I do - eg @rcs1000 and @Peter_the_Punter - I end up liking them, and then I can’t really insult and abuse them on the site. And I love hurling insults and abuse, obvs

    I shall however make a pilgrimage to your cherry popping spot

    If you want to reciprocate, mine was Room 247 in Ramsay Hall of Residence, London W1, deep in Fitzrovia, my first year at UCL

    She sounds posh.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,524
    edited 2:13PM

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often


    I'm from Whitstable, well the nearby village of Blean anyway, and am typing this from the family beach hut just past the Hotel Continental over on Tankerton Slopes. I'd give you directions and offer you a beer but I guess I'm in at least the bottom 3 of PBers you'd want to meet in person.

    In case of interest, you're next door to where I lost my virginity, back of the Whitstable umbrella, in May 1990. Good times
    You are really lucky! It’s a rather pleasant place. Cheers!

    And no you are not on any list, I generally don’t meet any PBers because I’ve discovered that if I do - eg @rcs1000 and @Peter_the_Punter - I end up liking them, and then I can’t really insult and abuse them on the site. And I love hurling insults and abuse, obvs

    I shall however make a pilgrimage to your cherry popping spot

    If you want to reciprocate, mine was Room 247 in Ramsay Hall of Residence, London W1, deep in Fitzrovia, my first year at UCL

    She sounds posh.
    Deep could be embellishment of the story.

    Anyway PB fun over, back to work.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,210
    Thoughts and Prayers for Bart


    ‘ BREAKING: President Trump responds to Iran denying his statement of "productive discussions" to end the Iran War.

    President Trump says:

    1. He hopes the US and Iran will "meet soon and settle this"

    2. He plans to "get together" with Iran via phone call

    3. "Iran would like to make a deal, we would like a deal too"

    4. The US has talked to Iran's "top respected leader"

    5. "We want to see no nuclear weapon for Iran"

    Buckle up for another volatile week ahead.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2036077673521234086?s=61
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,190

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often


    I'm from Whitstable, well the nearby village of Blean anyway, and am typing this from the family beach hut just past the Hotel Continental over on Tankerton Slopes. I'd give you directions and offer you a beer but I guess I'm in at least the bottom 3 of PBers you'd want to meet in person.

    In case of interest, you're next door to where I lost my virginity, back of the Whitstable umbrella, in May 1990. Good times
    You are really lucky! It’s a rather pleasant place. Cheers!

    And no you are not on any list, I generally don’t meet any PBers because I’ve discovered that if I do - eg @rcs1000 and @Peter_the_Punter - I end up liking them, and then I can’t really insult and abuse them on the site. And I love hurling insults and abuse, obvs

    I shall however make a pilgrimage to your cherry popping spot

    If you want to reciprocate, mine was Room 247 in Ramsay Hall of Residence, London W1, deep in Fitzrovia, my first year at UCL

    She sounds posh.
    Her name was actually Fitzrovia.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,962
    News networks just interviewed a rambling old man on TV. He's delusional. Thinks he's the President.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,215

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    See my prior remark. The fact is Dan has no idea if this is true. The only people that do are in the White House and at the top of the Iranian regime

    Given that both sides have a penchant and a motivation for lying we will likely never find out
    Some people are far more interested in Trump being seen to be defeated than they are the Iranian regime.
    I support essentially nothing in this malign clusterfuck of a war, and certainly not protecting Trump from embarrassment. But if this means not escalating to systematic destruction of power and water supplies in the region I'm all for it.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,030
    edited 2:20PM
    Nigelb said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    Point of PB pedant order. Isn't almost all chess 3 dimensional?
    Much of it takes place on computer screens.. which if you're being VERY pedantic, exist in three dimensions.

    The conceptual plane of action has only two dimensions.
    What about when the horse thingy jumps over other pieces? :wink:

    ETA: Ah, sorry - already asked and answered!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,962
    It has been suggested that the 'new leader" the Mad King thinks they have been negotiating with is Stephen Miller in a fake beard...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,473
    Q: Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations to end the war

    TRUMP: Well, they're gonna have to get themselves better public relations people. We've had very strong talks. Mr Witkoff and Kushner had them. They went perfectly.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036076985949069340
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,608
    Nigelb said:

    Q: Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations to end the war

    TRUMP: Well, they're gonna have to get themselves better public relations people. We've had very strong talks. Mr Witkoff and Kushner had them. They went perfectly.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036076985949069340

    It's entirely possible, of course, that the US thinks it is negotiating with the Iranian government...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,639
    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20

    A remarkable President, he has managed to make the S&P market trade like the next Spurs manager market, no ever President has even come close to that.
    He's demonstrated that he's still in control and has "de-escalation dominance". Now the war can go on for another week while markets remain calm and then he can reactivate the ultimatum, or not, depending on what happens.
    As Iran have demonstrated the ultimatum isn't worth shit so it doesn't really matter whether he reactivates it or not.

    Iran should try for some sanctions relief as a condition for reopening the strait. They'd probably get it.
    Plus an accelerated nuclear bomb starter pack - they need to get that ticked off otherwise this horror show will keep happening every six months.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,692
    edited 2:20PM
    Taz said:

    Thoughts and Prayers for Bart


    ‘ BREAKING: President Trump responds to Iran denying his statement of "productive discussions" to end the Iran War.

    President Trump says:

    1. He hopes the US and Iran will "meet soon and settle this"

    2. He plans to "get together" with Iran via phone call

    3. "Iran would like to make a deal, we would like a deal too"

    4. The US has talked to Iran's "top respected leader"

    5. "We want to see no nuclear weapon for Iran"

    Buckle up for another volatile week ahead.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2036077673521234086?s=61

    The main question is still who can speak for Iran, and what’s their process for agreeing to anything?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    Taz said:

    Thoughts and Prayers for Bart


    ‘ BREAKING: President Trump responds to Iran denying his statement of "productive discussions" to end the Iran War.

    President Trump says:

    1. He hopes the US and Iran will "meet soon and settle this"

    2. He plans to "get together" with Iran via phone call

    3. "Iran would like to make a deal, we would like a deal too"

    4. The US has talked to Iran's "top respected leader"

    5. "We want to see no nuclear weapon for Iran"

    Buckle up for another volatile week ahead.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2036077673521234086?s=61

    Meanwhile, the Marines move ever nearer Kharg Island.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,962
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Q: Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations to end the war

    TRUMP: Well, they're gonna have to get themselves better public relations people. We've had very strong talks. Mr Witkoff and Kushner had them. They went perfectly.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036076985949069340

    It's entirely possible, of course, that the US thinks it is negotiating with the Iranian government...
    See my post just above yours...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,215
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Thoughts and Prayers for Bart


    ‘ BREAKING: President Trump responds to Iran denying his statement of "productive discussions" to end the Iran War.

    President Trump says:

    1. He hopes the US and Iran will "meet soon and settle this"

    2. He plans to "get together" with Iran via phone call

    3. "Iran would like to make a deal, we would like a deal too"

    4. The US has talked to Iran's "top respected leader"

    5. "We want to see no nuclear weapon for Iran"

    Buckle up for another volatile week ahead.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2036077673521234086?s=61

    The main question is still who can speak for Iran, and what’s their process for agreeing to anything?
    Stop killing the people who can speak for Iran might be a good first step.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,098
    edited 2:23PM
    Selebian said:

    Nigelb said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    Point of PB pedant order. Isn't almost all chess 3 dimensional?
    Much of it takes place on computer screens.. which if you're being VERY pedantic, exist in three dimensions.

    The conceptual plane of action has only two dimensions.
    What about when the horse thingy jumps over other pieces? :wink:

    ETA: Ah, sorry - already asked and answered!
    But you put it more eloquently :smile:
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,098
    edited 2:26PM
    It's the IRGC denying the talks , via Fars news agency, which is their voice. No denial from Araghchi so far, who also posted the message sounding more open to talks yesterday.
  • stuartrcstuartrc Posts: 13
    edited 2:25PM
    @Leon

    Have dinner at the lazy lobster. Order anything with the lobster peppercorn sauce.

    Oh and drink at Porto
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,269
    Scott_xP said:

    News networks just interviewed a rambling old man on TV. He's delusional. Thinks he's the President.

    There was a rambling old orange guy on last week who thought Newsom was President.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Trump's blinked, not used to dealing with people madder than he is I guess :D

    Trump having a problem with somebody not folding when "they have no cards".

    Tehran looking at four 9s.

    Trump looking at an 8 high.

    "Yeah, but they'll fold."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,639
    edited 2:30PM
    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    See my prior remark. The fact is Dan has no idea if this is true. The only people that do are in the White House and at the top of the Iranian regime

    Given that both sides have a penchant and a motivation for lying we will likely never find out
    Some people are far more interested in Trump being seen to be defeated than they are the Iranian regime.
    I support essentially nothing in this malign clusterfuck of a war, and certainly not protecting Trump from embarrassment. But if this means not escalating to systematic destruction of power and water supplies in the region I'm all for it.
    Yes, de-escalation and a negotiated settlement. Anybody who doesn't want this is a ***** (insert epithet to taste). Trump can declare it a success if he wants, Iran's this that and the other having been OBLITERATED. I'm perfectly fine with that. I'd even promise not to take the piss for a few days in case he sees it and starts up again.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,688
    kinabalu said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20

    A remarkable President, he has managed to make the S&P market trade like the next Spurs manager market, no ever President has even come close to that.
    He's demonstrated that he's still in control and has "de-escalation dominance". Now the war can go on for another week while markets remain calm and then he can reactivate the ultimatum, or not, depending on what happens.
    As Iran have demonstrated the ultimatum isn't worth shit so it doesn't really matter whether he reactivates it or not.

    Iran should try for some sanctions relief as a condition for reopening the strait. They'd probably get it.
    Plus an accelerated nuclear bomb starter pack - they need to get that ticked off otherwise this horror show will keep happening every six months.
    If they built a nuclear bomb using Lego, that would give Trump an excuse to attack both Iran and Denmark. Job done!
  • eekeek Posts: 32,992

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Trump's blinked, not used to dealing with people madder than he is I guess :D

    Trump having a problem with somebody not folding when "they have no cards".

    Tehran looking at four 9s.

    Trump looking at an 8 high.

    "Yeah, but they'll fold."
    Are you sure Trumps hand isn’t a 7 high (I.e. worst possible)
  • Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often


    I'm from Whitstable, well the nearby village of Blean anyway, and am typing this from the family beach hut just past the Hotel Continental over on Tankerton Slopes. I'd give you directions and offer you a beer but I guess I'm in at least the bottom 3 of PBers you'd want to meet in person.

    In case of interest, you're next door to where I lost my virginity, back of the Whitstable umbrella, in May 1990. Good times
    You are really lucky! It’s a rather pleasant place. Cheers!

    And no you are not on any list, I generally don’t meet any PBers because I’ve discovered that if I do - eg @rcs1000 and @Peter_the_Punter - I end up liking them, and then I can’t really insult and abuse them on the site. And I love hurling insults and abuse, obvs

    I shall however make a pilgrimage to your cherry popping spot

    If you want to reciprocate, mine was Room 247 in Ramsay Hall of Residence, London W1, deep in Fitzrovia, my first year at UCL

    She sounds posh.
    Deep could be embellishment of the story.

    Anyway PB fun over, back to work.
    Her recollection was that it happened in Littlehampton.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 578
    Full figures from the poll mentioned earlier

    Lord ashcroft poll for Scottish parliament

    Constituency:

    SNP - 39%
    Ref - 14%
    Lab - 12%
    Grn - 11%
    LD - 10%
    Con - 9%

    Regional

    SNP - 31%
    Grn - 17%
    Ref - 15%
    Lab - 12%
    Con - 10%
    LD - 9%
    Other - 1%

    theres no way Greens are getting 11% on the constituency vote - they've only declared they are standing in approx 5 seats so far
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Trump's blinked, not used to dealing with people madder than he is I guess :D

    Trump having a problem with somebody not folding when "they have no cards".

    Tehran looking at four 9s.

    Trump looking at an 8 high.

    "Yeah, but they'll fold."
    Are you sure Trumps hand isn’t a 7 high (I.e. worst possible)
    He has nukes. He could just obliterate his opponent before they can claim the win.

    Extreme, but it would count as a draw.

    In his eyes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,876
    edited 2:43PM
    DoctorG said:

    Full figures from the poll mentioned earlier

    Lord ashcroft poll for Scottish parliament

    Constituency:

    SNP - 39%
    Ref - 14%
    Lab - 12%
    Grn - 11%
    LD - 10%
    Con - 9%

    Regional

    SNP - 31%
    Grn - 17%
    Ref - 15%
    Lab - 12%
    Con - 10%
    LD - 9%
    Other - 1%

    theres no way Greens are getting 11% on the constituency vote - they've only declared they are standing in approx 5 seats so far

    And no way they win 4 of those 5 seats either as that poll projects. Ashcroft has the Greens much higher and Labour much lower on the constituency vote and Reform slightly lower and the SNP a bit higher than the Survation and Ipsos Holyrood polls covering much of the same period
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2026_Scottish_Parliament_election
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,603
    edited 2:41PM

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    BREAKING

    I can report that Whitstable is rather charming, in the mild spring sunshine. In a gritty, authentic English coastal way

    We holidayed there in 2022. Had a bad oyster.
    Well, I’ve just ordered nine rocks and natives at the Royal Whitstable Oyster Company, so I’m hoping you’re wrong!

    It’s a really pleasant gaff, like a really good oyster bar in Brittany mixed with a Cornish gastropub. But in Kent

    I might come to Whitstable more often
    Aren't you the last person in London to have discovered Whitstable?
    Yes. But I rather like the fact I can still unearth HIDDEN GEMS in my own backyard. There are always new places to explore. Even in Kent
    Next week our global travel correspondent continues his series of "BACKYARD HIDDEN GEMS" with the surprise realisation that Tower Bridge is an extraordinary bridge, which even lifts up, just IMAGINE!
    The enduring mystery with Leon is how he manages to cling so successfully to his rock of lumpen ignorance despite being gifted opportunities to broaden his mind beyond the dreams of most ordinary folks.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,608
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Thoughts and Prayers for Bart


    ‘ BREAKING: President Trump responds to Iran denying his statement of "productive discussions" to end the Iran War.

    President Trump says:

    1. He hopes the US and Iran will "meet soon and settle this"

    2. He plans to "get together" with Iran via phone call

    3. "Iran would like to make a deal, we would like a deal too"

    4. The US has talked to Iran's "top respected leader"

    5. "We want to see no nuclear weapon for Iran"

    Buckle up for another volatile week ahead.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2036077673521234086?s=61

    The main question is still who can speak for Iran, and what’s their process for agreeing to anything?
    I suspect the only government more disfunctional than the US on is the Iranian one.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,639
    edited 2:43PM
    Nigelb said:

    Q: Iran's foreign ministry says you're not telling the truth when it comes to productive conversations to end the war

    TRUMP: Well, they're gonna have to get themselves better public relations people. We've had very strong talks. Mr Witkoff and Kushner had them. They went perfectly.

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2036076985949069340

    Well if Knight and Frank are on the case a deal can't be far away. Those guys are closers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    kinabalu said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @adamscochran

    5 minutes before Trump’s announcement:

    * $1.5B notional worth of S&P500 (ES) futures are bought in a single clip.

    * $192M notional of oil futures (CL) sold.

    More than 4x-6x any other trade size during the market close.

    Insiders profited from his lies in broad daylight!

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2036070980754239563?s=20

    A remarkable President, he has managed to make the S&P market trade like the next Spurs manager market, no ever President has even come close to that.
    He's demonstrated that he's still in control and has "de-escalation dominance". Now the war can go on for another week while markets remain calm and then he can reactivate the ultimatum, or not, depending on what happens.
    As Iran have demonstrated the ultimatum isn't worth shit so it doesn't really matter whether he reactivates it or not.

    Iran should try for some sanctions relief as a condition for reopening the strait. They'd probably get it.
    Plus an accelerated nuclear bomb starter pack - they need to get that ticked off otherwise this horror show will keep happening every six months.
    Of course, Trump could say in negotiations with Tehran that if they don't play nice, he will give Riyadh the bomb first.

    See how they like dem apples.

    "Saudi's got the bomb. You?"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,608
    Selebian said:

    Nigelb said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    Point of PB pedant order. Isn't almost all chess 3 dimensional?
    Much of it takes place on computer screens.. which if you're being VERY pedantic, exist in three dimensions.

    The conceptual plane of action has only two dimensions.
    What about when the horse thingy jumps over other pieces? :wink:

    ETA: Ah, sorry - already asked and answered!
    Also, the 'horse thingy' doesn't jump - it slides between the gap.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,820

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    See my prior remark. The fact is Dan has no idea if this is true. The only people that do are in the White House and at the top of the Iranian regime

    Given that both sides have a penchant and a motivation for lying we will likely never find out
    Some people are far more interested in Trump being seen to be defeated than they are the Iranian regime.
    Yes. It’s another symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Trump must always be lying therefore in this case the Iranians - the fecking Iranians! - MUST be telling the truth
    Both the Iranians and Trump talk Shi’ite.

    I think is a terrible outcome as I feared this will embolden the Iranian regime to crush the revolt at home.

    A lot more innocents are going to die.
    Thank goodness they weren't "emboldened" to crush the revolt at home back in January, when the US wasn't taking action.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,210
    Israeli assassination incoming

    ‘ 🚨 US is holding talks with Iranian parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, source tells @Jerusalem_Post’

    https://x.com/amichaistein1/status/2036084426929516850?s=61
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,215

    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like Trump's blinked, not used to dealing with people madder than he is I guess :D

    Trump having a problem with somebody not folding when "they have no cards".

    Tehran looking at four 9s.

    Trump looking at an 8 high.

    "Yeah, but they'll fold."
    I don't think this has played out but a situation where the US pauses aggressive action while Iran maintains the blockage on Hormuz, which is increasing economic pressure all the time, is a favourable interim position for Iran.

    The rhetoric coming out of Israel indicates they aren't impressed, so will presumably do what they can to sabotage the overtures between the US and Iran.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,030
    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Nigelb said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    Point of PB pedant order. Isn't almost all chess 3 dimensional?
    Much of it takes place on computer screens.. which if you're being VERY pedantic, exist in three dimensions.

    The conceptual plane of action has only two dimensions.
    What about when the horse thingy jumps over other pieces? :wink:

    ETA: Ah, sorry - already asked and answered!
    Also, the 'horse thingy' doesn't jump - it slides between the gap.
    What does the 'gap' piece look like?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,821
    Taz said:

    Israeli assassination incoming

    ‘ 🚨 US is holding talks with Iranian parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, source tells @Jerusalem_Post’

    https://x.com/amichaistein1/status/2036084426929516850?s=61

    Is he likely to have any say over the IRGC?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,820
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Every single coastal town in the UK should have a version of The Royal Whitstable Oyster Company. A breezy airy lovely old seaside gastropubby restaurant, where you can reliably get good oysters (and everything else seafood)

    Britain has some of the very best seafood on the planet. It’s mad that it’s so hard to get, in Britain

    I remember some years ago having absolutely delicious crustaceans fresh off the BBQ in Portugal and, I noticed on the boxes, fresh off the boat from Oban in Scotland where they had been harvested. If you found them for sale in this country at all they were some rare delicacy at multiple times the price. It was more than a bit frustrating. Its got a bit better, there are more seafood restaurants than there were but we could still do a lot better.
    Yeah, it’s improved (especially in places like the Hebrides, FWIW - also Cornwall), but it’s still quite often dismaying. The Iberians and the French adore seafood and they sensibly realise ours is the best. We don’t

    I remember 30 years ago eating at a restaurant in Skye and we ordered fish and it was frozen. Even as we ate it, we could see the local fishermen, outside on the quay, offloading superb fresh fish that was all going for export

    We don't like or trust fish. It really is that simple.

    If we did, we wouldn't send it for export.
  • So the point in this war, was…
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,030

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Every single coastal town in the UK should have a version of The Royal Whitstable Oyster Company. A breezy airy lovely old seaside gastropubby restaurant, where you can reliably get good oysters (and everything else seafood)

    Britain has some of the very best seafood on the planet. It’s mad that it’s so hard to get, in Britain

    I remember some years ago having absolutely delicious crustaceans fresh off the BBQ in Portugal and, I noticed on the boxes, fresh off the boat from Oban in Scotland where they had been harvested. If you found them for sale in this country at all they were some rare delicacy at multiple times the price. It was more than a bit frustrating. Its got a bit better, there are more seafood restaurants than there were but we could still do a lot better.
    Yeah, it’s improved (especially in places like the Hebrides, FWIW - also Cornwall), but it’s still quite often dismaying. The Iberians and the French adore seafood and they sensibly realise ours is the best. We don’t

    I remember 30 years ago eating at a restaurant in Skye and we ordered fish and it was frozen. Even as we ate it, we could see the local fishermen, outside on the quay, offloading superb fresh fish that was all going for export

    We don't like or trust fish. It really is that simple.

    If we did, we wouldn't send it for export.
    The Scots have had bad experiences with salmon(d) and sturgeon.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,617

    Taz said:

    Israeli assassination incoming

    ‘ 🚨 US is holding talks with Iranian parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, source tells @Jerusalem_Post’

    https://x.com/amichaistein1/status/2036084426929516850?s=61

    Is he likely to have any say over the IRGC?
    Does the US have any say over Bibi?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,098
    edited 2:52PM
    Taz said:

    Israeli assassination incoming

    ‘ 🚨 US is holding talks with Iranian parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, source tells @Jerusalem_Post’

    https://x.com/amichaistein1/status/2036084426929516850?s=61

    They mentioned trying to assassinate him just this morning.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,215
    edited 2:51PM

    So the point in this war, was…

    Epstein distraction and boost Israeli hegemony over the region. Both largely succeeded so far.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,821

    Scott_xP said:

    News networks just interviewed a rambling old man on TV. He's delusional. Thinks he's the President.

    There was a rambling old orange guy on last week who thought Newsom was President.
    And said the US has been at war with Iran since 1947 and Obama started it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,876
    edited 2:53PM

    So the point in this war, was…

    Well the old Ayatollah was getting a bit old and past it, so they have got a younger one instead now, his son and apparently Trump can now deal with him and a few changes of chairs in the new regime
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,210

    Taz said:

    Israeli assassination incoming

    ‘ 🚨 US is holding talks with Iranian parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, source tells @Jerusalem_Post’

    https://x.com/amichaistein1/status/2036084426929516850?s=61

    Is he likely to have any say over the IRGC?
    Who knows in this whole mess.

    He seems very hardline from his social media.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,603

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Every single coastal town in the UK should have a version of The Royal Whitstable Oyster Company. A breezy airy lovely old seaside gastropubby restaurant, where you can reliably get good oysters (and everything else seafood)

    Britain has some of the very best seafood on the planet. It’s mad that it’s so hard to get, in Britain

    I remember some years ago having absolutely delicious crustaceans fresh off the BBQ in Portugal and, I noticed on the boxes, fresh off the boat from Oban in Scotland where they had been harvested. If you found them for sale in this country at all they were some rare delicacy at multiple times the price. It was more than a bit frustrating. Its got a bit better, there are more seafood restaurants than there were but we could still do a lot better.
    Yeah, it’s improved (especially in places like the Hebrides, FWIW - also Cornwall), but it’s still quite often dismaying. The Iberians and the French adore seafood and they sensibly realise ours is the best. We don’t

    I remember 30 years ago eating at a restaurant in Skye and we ordered fish and it was frozen. Even as we ate it, we could see the local fishermen, outside on the quay, offloading superb fresh fish that was all going for export

    We don't like or trust fish. It really is that simple.

    If we did, we wouldn't send it for export.
    Usually that’s because we Brits don’t fancy the catch from our own shores, that’s mostly exported to Scandinavia, the Med, or Arab countries, and the fish we fancy is caught in more distant seas, frozen, and imported.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,210
    😳

    Journalist:

    "Who is Steve Witkoff speaking with in Iran?"

    🇺🇸🇮🇷 Trump:

    "A top person"

    Journalist:

    "Who is it?"

    Trump:

    "I can't.

    I don't [want] them to be killed.

    https://x.com/marionawfal/status/2036082375944212773?s=61
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,688
    rcs1000 said:

    Selebian said:

    Nigelb said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    Point of PB pedant order. Isn't almost all chess 3 dimensional?
    Much of it takes place on computer screens.. which if you're being VERY pedantic, exist in three dimensions.

    The conceptual plane of action has only two dimensions.
    What about when the horse thingy jumps over other pieces? :wink:

    ETA: Ah, sorry - already asked and answered!
    Also, the 'horse thingy' doesn't jump - it slides between the gap.
    I’ve bet on a few of those in my time - mostly on Novices Chases at Perth.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,398
    Taz said:

    😳

    Journalist:

    "Who is Steve Witkoff speaking with in Iran?"

    🇺🇸🇮🇷 Trump:

    "A top person"

    Journalist:

    "Who is it?"

    Trump:

    "I can't.

    I don't [want] them to be killed.

    https://x.com/marionawfal/status/2036082375944212773?s=61

    He’s worried about the Israeli veto.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,821

    Taz said:

    😳

    Journalist:

    "Who is Steve Witkoff speaking with in Iran?"

    🇺🇸🇮🇷 Trump:

    "A top person"

    Journalist:

    "Who is it?"

    Trump:

    "I can't.

    I don't [want] them to be killed.

    https://x.com/marionawfal/status/2036082375944212773?s=61

    He’s worried about the Israeli veto.
    "I have no control over my own foreign policy"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,473

    Scott_xP said:

    News networks just interviewed a rambling old man on TV. He's delusional. Thinks he's the President.

    There was a rambling old orange guy on last week who thought Newsom was President.
    And said the US has been at war with Iran since 1947 and Obama started it.
    I blame Biden.
    Almost fits the timeline.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,210

    Taz said:

    😳

    Journalist:

    "Who is Steve Witkoff speaking with in Iran?"

    🇺🇸🇮🇷 Trump:

    "A top person"

    Journalist:

    "Who is it?"

    Trump:

    "I can't.

    I don't [want] them to be killed.

    https://x.com/marionawfal/status/2036082375944212773?s=61

    He’s worried about the Israeli veto.
    Well they seem to be calling the shots here, not Trump.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    edited 3:07PM

    So the point in this war, was…

    A lot of this weaponry has use-by dates. Shame to just throw it away, when we can kill schoolgirls Mullahs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,897
    Taz said:

    😳

    Journalist:

    "Who is Steve Witkoff speaking with in Iran?"

    🇺🇸🇮🇷 Trump:

    "A top person"

    Journalist:

    "Who is it?"

    Trump:

    "I can't.

    I don't [want] them to be killed.

    https://x.com/marionawfal/status/2036082375944212773?s=61

    Witkoff will be speaking with Tehran's proxy.

    Putin.

    It's the only number he has in his phone.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,269

    So the point in this war, was…

    To smokescreen the Epstein files and it has worked like a Swiss watch.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,215

    Taz said:

    Israeli assassination incoming

    ‘ 🚨 US is holding talks with Iranian parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, source tells @Jerusalem_Post’

    https://x.com/amichaistein1/status/2036084426929516850?s=61

    Is he likely to have any say over the IRGC?
    Ghalibaf is an ex-police chief and comrade in arms with senior IRGC generals. Politically a conservative, but somewhat pragmatic - and also corrupt.

    Sounds like a serious player.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,032

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    39m
    Trump gave the Iranians an ultimatum. They called his bluff. He's backed down. That's it. No "3-D Chess". No masterful deployment of "The Mad Man Strategy". Trump has caved.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

    See my prior remark. The fact is Dan has no idea if this is true. The only people that do are in the White House and at the top of the Iranian regime

    Given that both sides have a penchant and a motivation for lying we will likely never find out
    Some people are far more interested in Trump being seen to be defeated than they are the Iranian regime.
    Yes. It’s another symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Trump must always be lying therefore in this case the Iranians - the fecking Iranians! - MUST be telling the truth
    Both the Iranians and Trump talk Shi’ite.

    I think is a terrible outcome as I feared this will embolden the Iranian regime to crush the revolt at home.

    A lot more innocents are going to die.
    Thank goodness they weren't "emboldened" to crush the revolt at home back in January, when the US wasn't taking action.
    That should be even more emboldened.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,375
    We went through all this drama because Trump didn’t like Obamas name on a deal !

    Trump can spin this but he capitulated and the Iranian regime remains .
  • glwglw Posts: 10,845
    Taz said:

    😳

    Journalist:

    "Who is Steve Witkoff speaking with in Iran?"

    🇺🇸🇮🇷 Trump:

    "A top person"

    Journalist:

    "Who is it?"

    Trump:

    "I can't.

    I don't [want] them to be killed.

    https://x.com/marionawfal/status/2036082375944212773?s=61

    Doesn't that imply that the person they are speaking to is not in charge, and has little power? So Trump's doing a "deal" with a person who can't actually deliver a deal, and can't even be named because the people in actual power would kill him.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,325

    So the point in this war, was…

    To smokescreen the Epstein files and it has worked like a Swiss watch.
    I don't understand this. The whole point of a historic allegation is that it's not current. It could re-emerge at any time.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,812
    edited 3:20PM
    nico67 said:

    We went through all this drama because Trump didn’t like Obamas name on a deal !

    Trump can spin this but he capitulated and the Iranian regime remains .

    Good afternoon

    I would caution against thinking this is over

    An utterly untrustworthy Trump and a volatile Netanyahu does not give me confidence that this ends quickly
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,804
    edited 3:20PM
    DougSeal said:

    So the point in this war, was…

    To smokescreen the Epstein files and it has worked like a Swiss watch.
    I don't understand this. The whole point of a historic allegation is that it's not current. It could re-emerge at any time.
    Trump is a creature of The Moment. So, iff you have a scandal Now, a War puts the scandal off till Tomorrow. Win.

    See how grifters and fraudsters try anything to keep the plates spinning for one more day.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,098
    edited 3:26PM
    FF43 said:

    Taz said:

    Israeli assassination incoming

    ‘ 🚨 US is holding talks with Iranian parliament speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, source tells @Jerusalem_Post’

    https://x.com/amichaistein1/status/2036084426929516850?s=61

    Is he likely to have any say over the IRGC?
    Ghalibaf is an ex-police chief and comrade in arms with senior IRGC generals. Politically a conservative, but somewhat pragmatic - and also corrupt.

    Sounds like a serious player.
    Could be Ghalibaf or Araghchi, or both of them together.

    Not many other of the original senior players to talk to.
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