Starmer & the government’s ratings improve from dire to the merely appalling – politicalbetting.com

System · 4:10PM

Starmer & the government’s ratings improve from dire to the merely appalling – politicalbetting.com

When it comes to leader ratings Ipsos are the gold standard and as predicted following Trump’s recent actions I am not surprised that Starmer’s ratings have improved but before Labour supporters put up the bunting the latest ratings are not the ratings of a governent that is going to be re-elected.

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Sweeney74 · 4:10PM

from a low base...

DougSeal · 4:11PM

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

Sweeney74 · 4:12PM

I suspect we'll see a further slight improvement as he "Stands Up To Trump (tm)"

Pulpstar · 4:13PM

FPT: https://www.thenational.scot/news/25937872.richard-tice-avoided-600-000-tax-exploiting-loophole/ has a good summary of Tice's tax situation.

occasionalranter · 4:14PM

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics

(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.

turbotubbs · 4:16PM

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.

Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).

Sweeney74 · 4:16PM

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

True, unless you’re being airlifted to a specialist unit, in which case it begins with a phone call, a stretcher and several people pointedly asking when you last ate.

Roger · 4:16PM

Meanwhile Trumps ratings going down the toilet......

.....Stay out Starmer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp4HY-M7yoM

Luckyguy1983 · 4:17PM

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).

Perhaps he actually owns Essex and just types with a lisp. I wouldn't need an ISA if I owned Essex.

Pulpstar · 4:19PM

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.

I think your post on the previous thread was very helpful. Clearly Parliament explicitly intends for money put into a DC pension (Even with Reeves' 2029? tax grab) to have favourable tax treatment compared to taking it as current income - so that and ISAs come under tax planning rather than avoidance. Are you an accountant by any chance ?

Roger · 4:24PM

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

"For a ship with no destination no wind is favourable"

(Confucius)

Luckyguy1983 · 4:27PM

Starmer's rating has improved with me also. Broadly he's got it right.

Luckyguy1983 · 4:27PM

Luckyguy1983 said:
Starmer's rating has improved with me also. Broadly he's got it right.

It is still in the minus numbers obvs.

Malmesbury · 4:27PM

Luckyguy1983 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
Perhaps he actually owns Essex and just types with a lisp. I wouldn't need an ISA if I owned Essex.

Even if he owns Essex, it's very tax inefficient not to max out his ISA allowances. His financial advisor would need proof that he's been giving the correct advice.

occasionalranter · 4:28PM

Pulpstar said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I think your post on the previous thread was very helpful. Clearly Parliament explicitly intends for money put into a DC pension (Even with Reeves' 2029? tax grab) to have favourable tax treatment compared to taking it as current income - so that and ISAs come under tax planning rather than avoidance. Are you an accountant by any chance ?

Hi, thanks, I was a lawyer advising on the periphery of tax for 20 years, now a bit rusty. But I'm also an avid reader of Dan Neidle.

What I've kept from my lawyering days is an instinct to define terms at the outset. So many arguments can be avoided or at least reduced in scope by doing this. To be fair, contributors to PB are generally better at doing this than the wider public.

DougSeal · 4:28PM

Sweeney74 said:

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
True, unless you’re being airlifted to a specialist unit, in which case it begins with a phone call, a stretcher and several people pointedly asking when you last ate.

Or if you're a toddler, it begins with eighteen months of failed attempts, a lot of crying, and someone hovering behind you with their arms out.

kinabalu · 4:28PM

Pulpstar said:
FPT: https://www.thenational.scot/news/25937872.richard-tice-avoided-600-000-tax-exploiting-loophole/ has a good summary of Tice's tax situation.

Whiffy. And note the appeal (by Tice) to forelock tuggers - the plebs should be pleased to vote for a wealthy businessman who is smart enough to figure out ways around tax. We need people like that in charge. Part of Trump's shtick, that was. Lesson there for anybody paying attention.

kinabalu · 4:32PM

Luckyguy1983 said:
Starmer's rating has improved with me also. Broadly he's got it right.

Oh no!

kinabalu · 4:36PM

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

#tenyearkeir will soon be trending again at this rate.

wooliedyed · 4:36PM

kinabalu said:

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
#tenyearkeir will soon be trending again at this rate.

The he didnt set fire to my house today bounce

Luckyguy1983 · 4:37PM

kinabalu said:

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
#tenyearkeir will soon be trending again at this rate.

Blaming him for a catastrophic rise in gilt yields?

Omnium · 4:37PM

kinabalu said:

Luckyguy1983 said:
Starmer's rating has improved with me also. Broadly he's got it right.
Oh no!

If only you'd made that post without encumbering it to a link to the comment above! Hell - nailed on for post of the year!

AnneJGP · 4:39PM

I'm pleased SKS has managed to keep us out of the war. He deserves the improved ratings.

Brixian59 · 4:39PM

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.

I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

tlg86 · 4:41PM

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

You must have been very happy when Osborne gave everyone £1,000 of interest tax free outside of ISAs.

noneoftheabove · 4:41PM

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?

Brixian59 · 4:43PM

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).

I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.

kinabalu · 4:48PM

wooliedyed said:

kinabalu said:

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
#tenyearkeir will soon be trending again at this rate.
The he didnt set fire to my house today bounce

Actually speaking of fire that's Donald Trump now, isn't it. He's started a big one, when we told him not to, he's got lots of high tech fire engines nearby, but is demanding we get our old rustbucket out of the garage and drive over there.

SandyRentool · 4:49PM

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step

....onto a banana skin.

Omnium · 4:49PM

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.

Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.

AnneJGP · 4:50PM

kinabalu said:

wooliedyed said:

kinabalu said:

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
#tenyearkeir will soon be trending again at this rate.
The he didnt set fire to my house today bounce
Actually speaking of fire that's Donald Trump now, isn't it. He's started a big one, when we told him not to, he's got lots of high tech fire engines nearby, but is demanding we get our old rustbucket out of the garage and drive over there.

Are the green goddesses still in storage?

Pulpstar · 4:52PM

tlg86 said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

You must have been very happy when Osborne gave everyone £1,000 of interest tax free outside of ISAs.

I assume he's not got a pension other than the statutory minimum either.

Brixian59 · 4:52PM

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?

Yes

State
Private

williamglenn · 4:52PM

https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033581038589370505

Trump: "I knew the Strait would be a weapon. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted all of this stuff. I predicted Osama bin Laden would knock out the World Trade Center. I wrote it in a book."

Brixian59 · 4:53PM

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.

Others on here know I'm a real person otherwise I'd be the best fucking AI bot ever created.

occasionalranter · 4:53PM

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private

Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?

kinabalu · 4:54PM

Luckyguy1983 said:

kinabalu said:

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
#tenyearkeir will soon be trending again at this rate.
Blaming him for a catastrophic rise in gilt yields?

Lol. Yes that will be Kemi, no doubt. Starmer's war. I told him to stay out of it.

Scott_xP · 4:54PM

@atrupar.com‬

Mike Johnson talks about how Trump encouraged a Republican member of Congress who got a terminal diagnosis to keep coming to work so Democrats wouldn't pick up a seat as though this is a commendable thing

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mh6vrn6rmx23

Brixian59 · 4:54PM

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?

It has
I have
Thats not evasion
It's available to anybody

Omnium · 4:55PM

Brixian59 said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
Others on here know I'm a real person otherwise I'd be the best fucking AI bot ever created.

Name one.

Taz · 4:56PM

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.

If Brixian isn’t a real person he/she has a fantastic knowledge of Birmingham and BCFC that no bot could just conjure up.

He/she is real. I have no doubt about that.

Brixian59 · 4:56PM

kinabalu said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

kinabalu said:

DougSeal said:
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step
#tenyearkeir will soon be trending again at this rate.
Blaming him for a catastrophic rise in gilt yields?
Lol. Yes that will be Kemi, no doubt. Starmer's war. I told him to stay out of it.

If any Tory has accused Starmer re gilts they are more stupid and disingenuous morons than even I thought

Taz · 4:57PM

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?

Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.

Brixian59 · 4:58PM

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.

My horribleness is in direct proportion with some of the filth that's come out of her mouth.

Bullies can't stand it when someone fights back.

Brixian59 · 4:59PM

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.

I took lump sum

Omnium · 4:59PM

Brixian59 said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
My horribleness is in direct proportion with some of the filth that's come out of her mouth.

Bullies can't stand it when someone fights back.

And quite who's mouth?

I'm not sure I mentioned any women.

Brixian59 · 4:59PM

Taz said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
If Brixian isn’t a real person he/she has a fantastic knowledge of Birmingham and BCFC that no bot could just conjure up.

He/she is real. I have no doubt about that.

Thank you

Omnium · 5:00PM

Taz said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
If Brixian isn’t a real person he/she has a fantastic knowledge of Birmingham and BCFC that no bot could just conjure up.

He/she is real. I have no doubt about that.

See?

MarqueeMark · 5:01PM

Brixian59 said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
My horribleness is in direct proportion with some of the filth that's come out of her mouth.

Bullies can't stand it when someone fights back.

As we've noticed...

Cookie · 5:01PM

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private

How is having a private pension any different ethically to having an ISA?
I don't see what you have against ISAs. They were set up to encourage spending. They're not some obscure loophole being exploited - they do what they were designed to do.

bigjohnowls · 5:01PM

AnneJGP said:
I'm pleased SKS has managed to keep us out of the war. He deserves the improved ratings.

I am an SKS Fan

On this issue only

kinabalu · 5:01PM

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033581038589370505

Trump: "I knew the Strait would be a weapon. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted all of this stuff. I predicted Osama bin Laden would knock out the World Trade Center. I wrote it in a book."

I'm liking this pivot, William. You're mocking him now rather than trolling us Trumperphobes. Others may not have noticed but I have.

Sunil_Prasannan · 5:02PM

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
It has
I have
Thats not evasion
It's available to anybody

So are ISAs.

Luckyguy1983 · 5:04PM

Regarding Trump, I will say again, what's got him in trouble is not being Trumpy enough. He's listened to Rubio, Bibi, Bolton, Bartholemew Roberts - all the usual traditional neocon suspects, and got the US into another war.

Trump would have lobbed one enormous bomb, and declared victory.

occasionalranter · 5:04PM

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.

Ah, I see you know your UFPLS from your PCLS.

Roger · 5:05PM

Andrew Neil becoming more out of touch by the day.

"Just because of Trump doesn't make people in the UK think less of America"

Try asking the airlines.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pWZqoRnWRA

noneoftheabove · 5:06PM

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private

Both pensions and ISA's are tax wrappers to encourage saving. Different rules but certainly morally equivalent.

I think there is something in the argument that collectively such schemes are too generous to high earners but that is up to the state to change the rules rather than some weird and illogical self moral restraint from taxpayers.

Malmesbury · 5:06PM

kinabalu said:

Pulpstar said:
FPT: https://www.thenational.scot/news/25937872.richard-tice-avoided-600-000-tax-exploiting-loophole/ has a good summary of Tice's tax situation.
Whiffy. And note the appeal (by Tice) to forelock tuggers - the plebs should be pleased to vote for a wealthy businessman who is smart enough to figure out ways around tax. We need people like that in charge. Part of Trump's shtick, that was. Lesson there for anybody paying attention.

Tice s a twat

If he has broken the law on tax, then the HMRC should pull his socks up over his head.

If he hasn't broken the law, then the party of government shouldn't complain about it. They have the ability to change the law. Even make new ones.

Brixian59 · 5:06PM

occasionalranter said:

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.
Ah, I see you know your UFPLS from your PCLS.

I'm glad somebody does

Roger · 5:07PM

kinabalu said:

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033581038589370505

Trump: "I knew the Strait would be a weapon. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted all of this stuff. I predicted Osama bin Laden would knock out the World Trade Center. I wrote it in a book."
I'm liking this pivot, William. You're mocking him now rather than trolling us Trumperphobes. Others may not have noticed but I have.

William speaks out of every side of his mouth.

occasionalranter · 5:07PM

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
It has
I have
Thats not evasion
It's available to anybody

So on ISAs: "No never had one, never will have one. Some of us have ethics"

but on pension tax free lump sums: "Thats not evasion. It's available to anybody"

You couldn't make less sense if you tried.

AnneJGP · 5:07PM

Brixian59 said:

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.
I took lump sum

You avoided paying as much tax as you could have paid. That's perfectly legal. You could still send a cheque to the Treasury for the tax you weren't asked to pay.

Luckyguy1983 · 5:08PM

Roger said:

kinabalu said:

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033581038589370505

Trump: "I knew the Strait would be a weapon. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted all of this stuff. I predicted Osama bin Laden would knock out the World Trade Center. I wrote it in a book."
I'm liking this pivot, William. You're mocking him now rather than trolling us Trumperphobes. Others may not have noticed but I have.
William speaks out of every side of his mouth.

Let's draw a polite veil over where most on PB speak from.

Malmesbury · 5:08PM

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
It has
I have
Thats not evasion
It's available to anybody
So are ISAs.

ISAs were specifically invented by the government to make saving easier for ordinary people. They (the government) even introduced rules that mean financial advisors have a duty to advocate them.

Brixian59 · 5:08PM

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Both pensions and ISA's are tax wrappers to encourage saving. Different rules but certainly morally equivalent.

I think there is something in the argument that collectively such schemes are too generous to high earners but that is up to the state to change the rules rather than some weird and illogical self moral restraint from taxpayers.

Well I'm proud to show weird and moral restraint.

It proves I am an ethical socialist not a champagne one.

Malmesbury · 5:09PM

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.

What about the tax savings on contributions? Bet he's taken those.

Brixian59 · 5:09PM

AnneJGP said:

Brixian59 said:

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.
I took lump sum
You avoided paying as much tax as you could have paid. That's perfectly legal. You could still send a cheque to the Treasury for the tax you weren't asked to pay.

I pay the treasury more than most pro rata my income, I can sleep at night

Taz · 5:10PM

Brixian59 said:

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.
I took lump sum

I’ve not taken mine yet.

I’m still depleting my ‘fuck you’ money as well as two old DB schemes.

Brixian59 · 5:10PM

Malmesbury said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
It has
I have
Thats not evasion
It's available to anybody
So are ISAs.
ISAs were specifically invented by the government to make saving easier for ordinary people. They (the government) even introduced rules that mean financial advisors have a duty to advocate them.

I disregarded advice on ISA from day 1

AnneJGP · 5:12PM

Brixian59 said:

AnneJGP said:

Brixian59 said:

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.
I took lump sum
You avoided paying as much tax as you could have paid. That's perfectly legal. You could still send a cheque to the Treasury for the tax you weren't asked to pay.
I pay the treasury more than most pro rata my income, I can sleep at night

I'm sure you can. But why brand other people criminals for doing what's legal?

Anyway, my apologies for butting in.

noneoftheabove · 5:12PM

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Both pensions and ISA's are tax wrappers to encourage saving. Different rules but certainly morally equivalent.

I think there is something in the argument that collectively such schemes are too generous to high earners but that is up to the state to change the rules rather than some weird and illogical self moral restraint from taxpayers.
Well I'm proud to show weird and moral restraint.

It proves I am an ethical socialist not a champagne one.

It doesn't show that because there are no ethics involved in arbitrarily and incorrectly declaring one tax wrapper more ethical than another without any logical reasoning. It shows you as a socialist with a lack of reasoning skills.

Brixian59 · 5:12PM

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
It has
I have
Thats not evasion
It's available to anybody
So on ISAs: "No never had one, never will have one. Some of us have ethics"

but on pension tax free lump sums: "Thats not evasion. It's available to anybody"

You couldn't make less sense if you tried.

I never claimed to.

Don't measure me, or anyone else, by conventional measures. No one is perfect, we're not clones

I'm comfortable with my decisions

Malmesbury · 5:12PM

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Both pensions and ISA's are tax wrappers to encourage saving. Different rules but certainly morally equivalent.

I think there is something in the argument that collectively such schemes are too generous to high earners but that is up to the state to change the rules rather than some weird and illogical self moral restraint from taxpayers.

With ISAs, the specific argument was that by limiting the amounts, the relative benefit went to poorer people. Notably, this view was accepted by all the parties (I think - certainly all the major ones) in Parliament. Bit like the personal tax allowance being a fixed sum.

Luckyguy1983 · 5:12PM

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Both pensions and ISA's are tax wrappers to encourage saving. Different rules but certainly morally equivalent.

I think there is something in the argument that collectively such schemes are too generous to high earners but that is up to the state to change the rules rather than some weird and illogical self moral restraint from taxpayers.
Well I'm proud to show weird and moral restraint.

It proves I am an ethical socialist not a champagne one.
It doesn't show that because there are no ethics involved in arbitrarily and incorrectly declaring one tax wrapper more ethical than another without any logical reasoning. It shows you as a socialist with a lack of reasoning skills.

Surely a tautology.

Taz · 5:13PM

occasionalranter said:

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.
Ah, I see you know your UFPLS from your PCLS.

Oh yes. Not tempted to take a lump sum. But that may change when my wife retires. She wants a big holiday cruise in Asia. I have not accessed any of my DC just yet.

Omnium · 5:13PM

Why are you all in the thrall of this stupid bot?

Nigelb · 5:13PM

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033581038589370505

Trump: "I knew the Strait would be a weapon. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted all of this stuff. I predicted Osama bin Laden would knock out the World Trade Center. I wrote it in a book."

Then why did you do nothing about it, you prat ?

Taz · 5:14PM

Malmesbury said:

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.
What about the tax savings on contributions? Bet he's taken those.

He’d be mad not to as he’s tying up the money for many years.

If he didn’t he’d be better off banging it in an S&S vehicle, like an ISA, where it is accessible when you like. The returns longer term should be better than cash.

Nigelb · 5:14PM

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.

Gibshite ...
Is that a nautical term of disapprobation ?

Taz · 5:16PM

Malmesbury said:

kinabalu said:

Pulpstar said:
FPT: https://www.thenational.scot/news/25937872.richard-tice-avoided-600-000-tax-exploiting-loophole/ has a good summary of Tice's tax situation.
Whiffy. And note the appeal (by Tice) to forelock tuggers - the plebs should be pleased to vote for a wealthy businessman who is smart enough to figure out ways around tax. We need people like that in charge. Part of Trump's shtick, that was. Lesson there for anybody paying attention.
Tice s a twat

If he has broken the law on tax, then the HMRC should pull his socks up over his head.

If he hasn't broken the law, then the party of government shouldn't complain about it. They have the ability to change the law. Even make new ones.

The report and Dan Neidle say it’s avoidance and sharp practise.

Labour are making a fuss about it as whataboutery due to Rayner and her tax issues.

Nigelb · 5:16PM

AnneJGP said:

Brixian59 said:

AnneJGP said:

Brixian59 said:

Taz said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Presumably you won't be exercising the tax free lump sum option when your private pension starts ?
Or the tax free element if not taken as a lump sum.
I took lump sum
You avoided paying as much tax as you could have paid. That's perfectly legal. You could still send a cheque to the Treasury for the tax you weren't asked to pay.
I pay the treasury more than most pro rata my income, I can sleep at night
I'm sure you can. But why brand other people criminals for doing what's legal?

Anyway, my apologies for butting in.

It's an aggression issue ?

noneoftheabove · 5:17PM

Malmesbury said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Both pensions and ISA's are tax wrappers to encourage saving. Different rules but certainly morally equivalent.

I think there is something in the argument that collectively such schemes are too generous to high earners but that is up to the state to change the rules rather than some weird and illogical self moral restraint from taxpayers.
With ISAs, the specific argument was that by limiting the amounts, the relative benefit went to poorer people. Notably, this view was accepted by all the parties (I think - certainly all the major ones) in Parliament. Bit like the personal tax allowance being a fixed sum.

Parents can give kids each a £162k plus capital appreciation head start by the age of 18.
As adults we can shelter a further £20k per year for life.

It doesn't seem a strong argument. The limits weirdly fit a typical MPs lifestyle very nicely indeed.

OldKingCole · 5:18PM

Malmesbury said:

kinabalu said:

Pulpstar said:
FPT: https://www.thenational.scot/news/25937872.richard-tice-avoided-600-000-tax-exploiting-loophole/ has a good summary of Tice's tax situation.
Whiffy. And note the appeal (by Tice) to forelock tuggers - the plebs should be pleased to vote for a wealthy businessman who is smart enough to figure out ways around tax. We need people like that in charge. Part of Trump's shtick, that was. Lesson there for anybody paying attention.
Tice s a twat

If he has broken the law on tax, then the HMRC should pull his socks up over his head.

If he hasn't broken the law, then the party of government shouldn't complain about it. They have the ability to change the law. Even make new ones.

Doesn't Tice spend part (at least) of the year in the Gulf?

Malmesbury · 5:21PM

noneoftheabove said:

Malmesbury said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

noneoftheabove said:

Brixian59 said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
I've never had one.

Never wished to have one.

I have gone against financial advisors advice. I have other long term stock options and frankly couldn't give a shit what anyone else thinks.

Life isn't all about screwing the system for every penny.

I pay more than my fair whack.

My partner has iSAs we disagree about it.

Evasion is evasion

Avoidance is avoidance

Each to their own

I neither evade nor knowingly avoid.

Simple

Do you have a pension?
Yes

State
Private
Both pensions and ISA's are tax wrappers to encourage saving. Different rules but certainly morally equivalent.

I think there is something in the argument that collectively such schemes are too generous to high earners but that is up to the state to change the rules rather than some weird and illogical self moral restraint from taxpayers.
With ISAs, the specific argument was that by limiting the amounts, the relative benefit went to poorer people. Notably, this view was accepted by all the parties (I think - certainly all the major ones) in Parliament. Bit like the personal tax allowance being a fixed sum.
Parents can give kids each a £162k plus capital appreciation head start by the age of 18.
As adults we can shelter a further £20k per year for life.

It doesn't seem a strong argument. The limits weirdly fit a typical MPs lifestyle very nicely indeed.

The use of weirdly in that sentence is weird.

Next you will be saying the tax status of two people buying houses in London, then renting from each other, so they can claim rent from their employer on (in effect) paying the mortgage is a complete accident.

Leon · 5:26PM

Brixian59 said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
Others on here know I'm a real person otherwise I'd be the best fucking AI bot ever created.

I for one, can vouch that @Brixian59 is entirely real, and it's been real for ages

Nigelb · 5:28PM

.

Leon said:

Brixian59 said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
Others on here know I'm a real person otherwise I'd be the best fucking AI bot ever created.

I for one, can vouch that @Brixian59 is entirely real, and it's been real for ages

It's not you again, it it ?

noneoftheabove · 5:32PM

Nigelb said:
.
Leon said:

Brixian59 said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
Others on here know I'm a real person otherwise I'd be the best fucking AI bot ever created.

I for one, can vouch that @Brixian59 is entirely real, and it's been real for ages
It's not you again, it it ?

We are all Leon.

squareroot2 · 5:32PM

Who'd have thunk it. NCP car parks has gone into administration.

noneoftheabove · 5:33PM

squareroot2 said:
Who'd have thunk it. NCP car parks has gone into administration.

I hope they were 2 minutes late with their paperwork and get clobbered.

Taz · 5:33PM

@Leon

This is nuts.

Carnival and CRH both plan to delist in London

Low valuations don’t help but neither does the DEi bollocks. Why list, just stay private and access capital from lenders.

https://x.com/merrynsw/status/2033449361397497894?s=61

This really is not good and the govt small concession, no stamp duty on shares of new listings for a few years won’t help and the govt wants to dip its hand into our pension pots to invest in its pet schemes. Fuck that.

https://x.com/jamesd_graham/status/2033512910647877746?s=61

https://x.com/jamesd_graham/status/2033512914473075158?s=61

Taz · 5:33PM

noneoftheabove said:

squareroot2 said:
Who'd have thunk it. NCP car parks has gone into administration.
I hope they were 2 minutes late with their paperwork and get clobbered.

Boom !!!

Malmesbury · 5:33PM

noneoftheabove said:

Nigelb said:
.
Leon said:

Brixian59 said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
Others on here know I'm a real person otherwise I'd be the best fucking AI bot ever created.

I for one, can vouch that @Brixian59 is entirely real, and it's been real for ages
It's not you again, it it ?
We are all Leon.

Except @Leon

Cookie · 5:34PM

Roger said:
Andrew Neil becoming more out of touch by the day.

"Just because of Trump doesn't make people in the UK think less of America"

Try asking the airlines.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pWZqoRnWRA

I can perhaps guess at what Andrew Neil sort of means here, perhaps - we still massively consume American culture (and swim in a culturally mainly American sea), and American products, many people like the idea of America, of holidays there, there are American people we like, etc - but I'd be very surprised if he isn't measurably wrong. (Maybe @HYUFD has some polling). The vast majority of people, I suspect, have nudged a little further in the anti direction from wherever they were three years ago on the pro/anti American spectrum. There is a graphic I have been hunting for and cannot find of how well-regarded every country is in the world*, showing America dropping 15 places from 30th to 45th in a year - and this data merely reflects Trump becoming president and not any of the mental shite he has donein the past 6 months. I will post it later if I can find it but I am mid-commute.
You don't have to be as firmly on one side in the Middle East conflict as Roger is to think America has made a right bollocks of this.

On a happier note, my tram ride has just been interrupted by the arrival of a panicked pigeon erroneously boarding at Piccadilly Gardens: impressed to report that a gifted passenger was able to calmy usher the pigeon off without any harm being done.

*FWIW, the UK was about 18th, about equal with France and Germany. As you'd expect, Nordics came top.

OldKingCole · 5:34PM

squareroot2 said:
Who'd have thunk it. NCP car parks has gone into administration.

Long, non-variable, leases on sites apparently. Bit like parking without reading all the terms and conditions, no?

Wulfrun_Phil · 5:39PM

FPT
I agree, Yvette Cooper is a decent trading bet, 20/1 best odds currently. Especially if you have backed Rayner, Miliband and Healey at far longer odds than you can get on them now. Like Miliband, Cooper has had ambitions to be Labour leader because she stood in 2015.

Of the viable candidates for next PM, I wouldn't look beyond Rayner, Miliband, Streeting, Cooper and Healey now. There will be a contest under way by June 2026. Rayner or Miliband will be the candidate of the left, Streeting the candidate of the right, leaving a space for either Cooper or Healey to come through the middle. It's very difficult to see more than 3 candidates making it past the 80 nominations threshold.

Sunil_Prasannan · 5:39PM

Taz said:

Omnium said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

occasionalranter said:

Brixian59 said:

turbotubbs said:

Brixian59 said:
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.

Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.

Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services

That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.

That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.

I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
One assumes you don't have an ISA then.
No never had one, never will have one.

Some of us have ethics
(FPT) OK, I now believe this is a wind up account.
Of course it is! The account has done nothing else but trash talk Kemi Badenoch for weeks on end. No-one can be that single minded, (our dear Hyufd excluded of course).
I say what I think aboutvBadenoch

I praise other Tories, current and past.

Badenoch is a gibshite with an aggression issue who is not fit to lead any Party.
Well you're not a real person, and if I'm wrong and you are then that's pretty horrible for you really.
If Brixian isn’t a real person he/she has a fantastic knowledge of Birmingham and BCFC that no bot could just conjure up.

He/she is real. I have no doubt about that.

:lol
A real twat?

OldKingCole · 5:43PM

Cookie said:

Roger said:
Andrew Neil becoming more out of touch by the day.

"Just because of Trump doesn't make people in the UK think less of America"

Try asking the airlines.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pWZqoRnWRA
I can perhaps guess at what Andrew Neil sort of means here, perhaps - we still massively consume American culture (and swim in a culturally mainly American sea), and American products, many people like the idea of America, of holidays there, there are American people we like, etc - but I'd be very surprised if he isn't measurably wrong. (Maybe @HYUFD has some polling). The vast majority of people, I suspect, have nudged a little further in the anti direction from wherever they were three years ago on the pro/anti American spectrum. There is a graphic I have been hunting for and cannot find of how well-regarded every country is in the world, showing America dropping 15 places from 30th to 45th in a year - and this data merely reflects Trump becoming president and not any of the mental shite he has donein the past 6 months. I will post it later if I can find it but I am mid-commute.
You don't have to be as firmly on one side in the Middle East conflict as Roger is to think America has made a right bollocks of this.

On a happier note, my tram ride has just been interrupted by the arrival of a panicked pigeon erroneously boarding at Piccadilly Gardens: impressed to report that a gifted passenger was able to calmy usher the pigeon off without any harm being done.

One of my sons works for a part (at least) American company. I am waiting for an opportunity to discuss matters other than family ones with him, but he usually rings on what is for him a Friday night when he's had enough, for a few hours anyway of work and wants to enjoy his wife's cooking and hear about his three daughter's activities. Although one is now in a different time zone so that makes things difficult.
C'est la vie!

Roger · 5:46PM

News Agents latest podcast. Not their best but still listentoable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8MDQhBckus

Cookie · 5:47PM

Cookie said:

Roger said:
Andrew Neil becoming more out of touch by the day.

"Just because of Trump doesn't make people in the UK think less of America"

Try asking the airlines.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pWZqoRnWRA
I can perhaps guess at what Andrew Neil sort of means here, perhaps - we still massively consume American culture (and swim in a culturally mainly American sea), and American products, many people like the idea of America, of holidays there, there are American people we like, etc - but I'd be very surprised if he isn't measurably wrong. (Maybe @HYUFD has some polling). The vast majority of people, I suspect, have nudged a little further in the anti direction from wherever they were three years ago on the pro/anti American spectrum. There is a graphic I have been hunting for and cannot find of how well-regarded every country is in the world*, showing America dropping 15 places from 30th to 45th in a year - and this data merely reflects Trump becoming president and not any of the mental shite he has donein the past 6 months. I will post it later if I can find it but I am mid-commute.
You don't have to be as firmly on one side in the Middle East conflict as Roger is to think America has made a right bollocks of this.

On a happier note, my tram ride has just been interrupted by the arrival of a panicked pigeon erroneously boarding at Piccadilly Gardens: impressed to report that a gifted passenger was able to calmy usher the pigeon off without any harm being done.

*FWIW, the UK was about 18th, about equal with France and Germany. As you'd expect, Nordics came top.

Found it!

Mexicanpete · 5:49PM

williamglenn said:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/2033581038589370505

Trump: "I knew the Strait would be a weapon. I predicted it a long time ago. I predicted all of this stuff. I predicted Osama bin Laden would knock out the World Trade Center. I wrote it in a book."

Well that's a lie. He didn't write a book. Tony Schwartz wrote it for him.

Starmer & the government’s ratings improve from dire to the merely appalling – politicalbetting.com

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