How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
The US no longer has 'diplomatic' channels. They are now mostly Trump's Florida/property development mates. Career diplomats are not welcome as they can't provide what Trump wants (insert your view here)
We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
Good morning
I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary
I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen
I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?
My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery
Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend
I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.
Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
The village in which I lived for a few years with my wife's parents has a very amiable Church of Ireland vicar, who I met at a defibrillator bake sale, and it's mainly the Church of Ireland churches that have the bell towers with enough bells to do interesting peals and the like - my daughter came over for a bellringing festival and did a tour of them round here. Not sure if there are many monarchy fans still knocking around. I'll keep a look out.
Kinda sad that you can't accept a few Republicans and atheists as part of Britain's rich tapestry, though.
I can as long as they accept our monarchy and established church are here to stay, if not they should move to Ireland!
Are you suggesting republicanism sholud be made illegal?
It was reported up here Labour were having issues getting candidates for some seats too. Is that funny too ? Even paper candidates.
It’s is a big ask of people. To take time out of their lives to campaign and, for what, either to job to some other mid carder or if you become a councillor it’s becoming more and more of a thankless task.
Not quite sure why you see fit to snigger but, well, it’s PB isn’t it.
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
Good morning
I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary
I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen
I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?
My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery
Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend
I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.
Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
Can't you read? I said if you dislike our monarchy you can also move to the Irish REPUBLIC! So no we also completely disagree on that!
One final try. Why not someone like Tony Blair or Boris as President instead. Much more fun and interesting than Brian. And we can change them after a period if it is 'the will of the people'.
If you really want to go down the US route where Democrats always despise Republican Presidents and Republicans always despise Democrat Presidents and make the head of state a divisive politician president then fine. You can move to the USA!
On topic, Yvette Cooper is clearly a nice person, and bright - clearly knows economics - but I very much doubt she is the answer to offering Labour the bold political leadership it needs to succeed.
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
Good morning
I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary
I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen
I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?
My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery
Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend
I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.
Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
Can't you read? I said if you dislike our monarchy you can also move to the Irish REPUBLIC! So no we also completely disagree on that!
One final try. Why not someone like Tony Blair or Boris as President instead. Much more fun and interesting than Brian. And we can change them after a period if it is 'the will of the people'.
If you really want to go down the US route where Democrats always despise Republican Presidents and Republicans always despise Democrat Presidents and make the head of state a divisive politician president then fine. You can move to the USA!
In Ireland people are quite proud of the basketball and keepy-uppy skills of their new President. It's not what I thought Presidential politics was going to be like, but a country could do worse.
On topic, Yvette Cooper is clearly a nice person, and bright - clearly knows economics - but I very much doubt she is the answer to offering Labour the bold political leadership it needs to succeed.
I agree but still sounds like an improvement over Starmer.
Companies House has put out a statement confirming that, for five months, every company in the UK was vulnerable to the simple exploit we identified on Friday. It enabled anyone in the world to view and change their company details.
Which means that any court case that relies on data from Companies House has just been shredded.
Does any court case actually rely on Companies' house data ?
Loads of stuff on there is absolute mince - take https://tinyurl.com/bs3kuwu3 for instance. Balance sheet of £58 Bn prepared under the "small companies" regime. Which would have meant a sub £10.2M turnover for a balance sheet of £58 Bn (Not very likely).
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Which is all very well, but age is the predominant predictor of VI, not income.
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
You do know that that poll basically says that unless you are rich, you are hoping for something impossible to make your life better...
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
Modernity and diversity are not synonyms.
To a big extent they are. With air travel and a global economy, people move around, settle in different places and have families with people from different backgrounds. With contraception womens role in the economy has changed. Deal with it.
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Which is all very well, but age is the predominant predictor of VI, not income.
It was but less so than with the Tories as Reform do better with 50-65 year olds than pensioners and Labour now do worse with under 35s than the Greens.
With the rise of Reform and the Greens class is once again becoming a predictor of VI, even if there is now no class difference of any significance between the Tories and Labour and the LDs
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
Nah just reduce energy usage and accept higher costs until new energy sources (or pipes) come online to stabilise things.
Russia is an existential threat. High energy prices due to the Strait closing is a temporary problem, even if it never opens again.
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
The wealthy are probably thinking: “Right now even the possibility of governmental competence is enough to attract our votes given the alternatives.”
We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
Good morning
I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary
I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen
I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?
My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery
Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend
I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.
Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
Can't you read? I said if you dislike our monarchy you can also move to the Irish REPUBLIC! So no we also completely disagree on that!
One final try. Why not someone like Tony Blair or Boris as President instead. Much more fun and interesting than Brian. And we can change them after a period if it is 'the will of the people'.
If you really want to go down the US route where Democrats always despise Republican Presidents and Republicans always despise Democrat Presidents and make the head of state a divisive politician president then fine. You can move to the USA!
In Ireland people are quite proud of the basketball and keepy-uppy skills of their new President. It's not what I thought Presidential politics was going to be like, but a country could do worse.
Though over a third of Irish voters still voted against her
It was reported up here Labour were having issues getting candidates for some seats too. Is that funny too ? Even paper candidates.
It’s is a big ask of people. To take time out of their lives to campaign and, for what, either to job to some other mid carder or if you become a councillor it’s becoming more and more of a thankless task.
Not quite sure why you see fit to snigger but, well, it’s PB isn’t it.
It's almost certainly a problem for every party. Being a local councillor is a terrible job, the fragmentation of the party system means we need even more candidates to fill slates.
However, doing a press ad in Metro now highlights some of Reform's specific weaknesses. First is being a nationwide Nigel fanclub means they don't have the community networks to tap up plausible councillors. It's why disaffected Conservatives are so important to them; they do have those tendrils in the right places.
Second, this is terrible planning timewise- the nomination deadline is just over three weeks away. No way is quality vetting happening in that time.
It was reported up here Labour were having issues getting candidates for some seats too. Is that funny too ? Even paper candidates.
It’s is a big ask of people. To take time out of their lives to campaign and, for what, either to job to some other mid carder or if you become a councillor it’s becoming more and more of a thankless task.
Not quite sure why you see fit to snigger but, well, it’s PB isn’t it.
It's almost certainly a problem for every party. Being a local councillor is a terrible job, the fragmentation of the party system means we need even more candidates to fill slates.
However, doing a press and in Metro now highlights some of Reform's specific weaknesses. First is being a nationwide Nigel fanclub means they don't have the community networks to tap up plausible councillors. It's why disaffected Conservatives are so important to them; they do have those tendrils in the right places.
Second, this is terrible planning timewise- the nomination deadline is just over three weeks away. No way is quality vetting happening in that time.
Not having time for quality vetting might be a feature rather than a bug as far as Reform are concerned.
On topic, Yvette Cooper is clearly a nice person, and bright - clearly knows economics - but I very much doubt she is the answer to offering Labour the bold political leadership it needs to succeed.
I agree but still sounds like an improvement over Starmer.
It was reported up here Labour were having issues getting candidates for some seats too. Is that funny too ? Even paper candidates.
It’s is a big ask of people. To take time out of their lives to campaign and, for what, either to job to some other mid carder or if you become a councillor it’s becoming more and more of a thankless task.
Not quite sure why you see fit to snigger but, well, it’s PB isn’t it.
It's almost certainly a problem for every party. Being a local councillor is a terrible job, the fragmentation of the party system means we need even more candidates to fill slates.
However, doing a press and in Metro now highlights some of Reform's specific weaknesses. First is being a nationwide Nigel fanclub means they don't have the community networks to tap up plausible councillors. It's why disaffected Conservatives are so important to them; they do have those tendrils in the right places.
Second, this is terrible planning timewise- the nomination deadline is just over three weeks away. No way is quality vetting happening in that time.
Not having time for quality vetting might be a feature rather than a bug as far as Reform are concerned.
Well it's not a feature but it's probably the only way they have any chance of filling all 5000 nominations..
We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
Good morning
I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary
I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen
I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?
My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery
Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend
I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.
Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
Can't you read? I said if you dislike our monarchy you can also move to the Irish REPUBLIC! So no we also completely disagree on that!
One final try. Why not someone like Tony Blair or Boris as President instead. Much more fun and interesting than Brian. And we can change them after a period if it is 'the will of the people'.
If you really want to go down the US route where Democrats always despise Republican Presidents and Republicans always despise Democrat Presidents and make the head of state a divisive politician president then fine. You can move to the USA!
In Ireland people are quite proud of the basketball and keepy-uppy skills of their new President. It's not what I thought Presidential politics was going to be like, but a country could do worse.
Though over a third of Irish voters still voted against her
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Absolute proof that PB is atypical. There's not much support for Labour among our contributors, the vast majority of whom I would suggest are comfortably off, if not wealthy.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
Modernity and diversity are not synonyms.
To a big extent they are. With air travel and a global economy, people move around, settle in different places and have families with people from different backgrounds. With contraception womens role in the economy has changed. Deal with it.
Trouble is that what most of us want is to be able to leave our old community and make our way in the world, but for that community from our childhood to still be there when we come back to visit.
It's not malicious, but there's a huge "how does that work if everyone does it?" blind spot.
It was reported up here Labour were having issues getting candidates for some seats too. Is that funny too ? Even paper candidates.
It’s is a big ask of people. To take time out of their lives to campaign and, for what, either to job to some other mid carder or if you become a councillor it’s becoming more and more of a thankless task.
Not quite sure why you see fit to snigger but, well, it’s PB isn’t it.
It's almost certainly a problem for every party. Being a local councillor is a terrible job, the fragmentation of the party system means we need even more candidates to fill slates.
However, doing a press and in Metro now highlights some of Reform's specific weaknesses. First is being a nationwide Nigel fanclub means they don't have the community networks to tap up plausible councillors. It's why disaffected Conservatives are so important to them; they do have those tendrils in the right places.
Second, this is terrible planning timewise- the nomination deadline is just over three weeks away. No way is quality vetting happening in that time.
Not having time for quality vetting might be a feature rather than a bug as far as Reform are concerned.
To be fair to Reform they must be vetting as a couple of their chief X cheerleaders gave been rejected as London candidates. The Tories had problems in NW Norfolk last year failing to find anyone for 2 wards in a parliamentary seat they hold.
I guess the problem now is you have Ref/Con and Lab/Green/Gaza/YP all fishing the same respective ponds for candidates and LDs on top of that. They wont find 18,000 candidates plus each
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Absolute proof that PB is atypical. There's not much support for Labour among our contributors, the vast majority of whom I would suggest are comfortably off, if not wealthy.
I think there is reasonable amounts of support for Labour on this site, could name quite a few Labour supporters - and yes by what many of them have said, most probably are comfortably off.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
And yet, like clockwork, as you crawl bleary eyed from your 19th century brothel inspired bedroom your first instinct, your primal drive, is to post on said dying forum. Is this the only place you trawl for sycophantic applause for your unerring predictions of the future?
· Croissants, houmous and alcohol-free beer – reflecting changing tastes · Dashboard cameras – car owners increasing their security on the roads · Pet grooming – reflecting a growing service for pet owners
This is ridiculous! Clearly, it should include gluten-free croissants too, to fully capture modern lifestyles.
When one is tired of gluten, one is tired of life.
· Croissants, houmous and alcohol-free beer – reflecting changing tastes · Dashboard cameras – car owners increasing their security on the roads · Pet grooming – reflecting a growing service for pet owners
This is ridiculous! Clearly, it should include gluten-free croissants too, to fully capture modern lifestyles.
When one is tired of gluten, one is tired of life.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
And yet, like clockwork, as you crawl bleary eyed from your 19th century brothel inspired bedroom your first instinct, your primal drive, is to post on said dying forum. Is this the only place you trawl for sycophantic applause for your unerring predictions of the future?
When Leon said he was at the recycling centre I assumed he meant he was at his laptop writing something for the Flint Knapper's Gazette..
We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
Good morning
I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary
I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen
I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?
My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery
Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend
I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.
Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
Can't you read? I said if you dislike our monarchy you can also move to the Irish REPUBLIC! So no we also completely disagree on that!
One final try. Why not someone like Tony Blair or Boris as President instead. Much more fun and interesting than Brian. And we can change them after a period if it is 'the will of the people'.
If you really want to go down the US route where Democrats always despise Republican Presidents and Republicans always despise Democrat Presidents and make the head of state a divisive politician president then fine. You can move to the USA!
In Ireland people are quite proud of the basketball and keepy-uppy skills of their new President. It's not what I thought Presidential politics was going to be like, but a country could do worse.
Reminds me of Blair playing headers with Kevin Keegan thirty odd years ago.
· Croissants, houmous and alcohol-free beer – reflecting changing tastes · Dashboard cameras – car owners increasing their security on the roads · Pet grooming – reflecting a growing service for pet owners
This is ridiculous! Clearly, it should include gluten-free croissants too, to fully capture modern lifestyles.
When one is tired of gluten, one is tired of life.
One takes the grated parmesan as red, I assume?
The cheddar is red in Scotland, but so far I'm not aware of the phenomenon spreading to parmesan.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
And yet, like clockwork, as you crawl bleary eyed from your 19th century brothel inspired bedroom your first instinct, your primal drive, is to post on said dying forum. Is this the only place you trawl for sycophantic applause for your unerring predictions of the future?
· Croissants, houmous and alcohol-free beer – reflecting changing tastes · Dashboard cameras – car owners increasing their security on the roads · Pet grooming – reflecting a growing service for pet owners
This is ridiculous! Clearly, it should include gluten-free croissants too, to fully capture modern lifestyles.
When one is tired of gluten, one is tired of life.
One takes the grated parmesan as red, I assume?
The cheddar is red in Scotland, but so far I'm not aware of the phenomenon spreading to parmesan.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
The hegemony of the majority ethnic group on positions of power is so entrenched that efforts to reduce it slightly will lead to a horrifying backlash? That's possible, I suppose. Rupert Lowe is positioning for exactly this, isn't he, with his Restore (white supremacy) vehicle and they are quite short (17) to win the next GE. But I'd hope we weren't so fragile and I don't think we are. It's a lay imo. A strong lay.
· Croissants, houmous and alcohol-free beer – reflecting changing tastes · Dashboard cameras – car owners increasing their security on the roads · Pet grooming – reflecting a growing service for pet owners
YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
Erm, the story aiui was that Yougov would publish the results of the nationwide question Farage approves of as well as the constituency question Yougov uses to predict tactical voting and that depresses the Reform score. I guess we shall find out next time.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
You were once an enfant terrible edgelord even on here, but your humdrum domestic situation is very much the mark of a centrist dad. Congratulations!
The road from home decor advice to the HWRC site is but a short walk.
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Absolute proof that PB is atypical. There's not much support for Labour among our contributors, the vast majority of whom I would suggest are comfortably off, if not wealthy.
There is more support on here for Labour than Reform though, so in that sense it is somewhat typical of its demographic
YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
Erm, the story aiui was that Yougov would publish the results of the nationwide question Farage approves of as well as the constituency question Yougov uses to predict tactical voting and that depresses the Reform score. I guess we shall find out next time.
Yes but Reform and then the Times were claiming this meant YouGov were changing their polling They arent. They will just publish some more data but not alter their headline figure. Its no different to pollsters that reassign dont knows or weight differently for 2024 non voters or etc etc, just that Farage doesnt like being on 23%
🇫🇷 France: REJECTED 🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED 🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED 🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED 🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED 🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED 🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED 🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED 🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED 🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE 🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE 🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION
Indistinguishable from Tinder
Most interesting is Meloni, the golden girl of MAGA, the European Right Wing flame carrier.
Has been in lock step with Starmer and Merz, more so than Macron.
Great to see.
The new Merkel of Europe
She makes it obvious that she can't stand Macron.
But she can't stand Trump more!
I don't like Meloni's politics, but I think she's done a good job at separating her Italian right populist movement from the Trump/MAGA disaster. That's something Farage hasn't quite mastered yet.
She's been pretty solid on Ukraine too, to be fair. Seems to be quite removed from a lot of the MAGA pathology.
We’re largely a bunch of middle aged to old white men on a form of message board that had its heyday 15-20 years ago. And it’s Monday morning. What do you expect?
Good morning
I agree that @Alanbrooke description of Cooper was unkind but then some of the comments on here about Kemi are at times even worse and it is simply unnecessary
I was involved with Cooper and her department over hips with many trips to London to discuss the pros and cons and frankly she just dld not listen
I do not think she or Miliband are labour's answer to the Starmer question but then who is ?
My wife and I are to set off shortly on our 2 day train excursion to Edinburgh so will not be posting much as we want to enjoy the journeys and ever changing scenery
Yes “whatabout” the unkind things that people say about Kemi. Someone should invent a neologism to describe the rhetorical tactic and logical fallacy used to deflect criticism by responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation, shifting focus away from the original issue. Perhaps it’s already been done?
To be honest there are some on here whose use of whataboutery is legend
I’ve not seen such. Just repetitive “what about x” with desperation when various subjects come up.
Quality WhatAboutery used to be a major product of the Northern Ireland service sector. It’s really fallen off though. Another British industry shuttered.
Sad lack of Irish Republicans on this site to pick you up on the "British" descriptor there. Shame. This morning was too good natured - we needed a row.
To be sure, to be sure, to be sure.
Also you can be British and Republican. The monarchy is as anachronistic as the Church.
No, if if you dislike the monarchy and Church of England being established church you should move to the Irish Republic where you can have a President and Popery as your main religion to your hearts content!
Why not put the Bible through ChatGPT to provide 'guidance' for the faithful taking out the inconsistency and nonsense. Then we could dispense with the clergy too and cease the weekly squaring of the circle. Surprised the American Evangelists haven't already.
If you want biblical purity on everything there are already plenty of Baptist or Pentecostal churches or indeed probably more so the Roman Catholic church. The Church of England has never been a church based on biblical purity on everything, balancing scripture with tradition and reason, indeed it was founded by a King who wanted to divorce his wife and remarry as the Pope wouldn't let him and has just appointed a female Archbishop
I note you picked me up on religion but silent on the issue of the monarchy. I'll take it we are agreed on one of the two subjects.
Can't you read? I said if you dislike our monarchy you can also move to the Irish REPUBLIC! So no we also completely disagree on that!
One final try. Why not someone like Tony Blair or Boris as President instead. Much more fun and interesting than Brian. And we can change them after a period if it is 'the will of the people'.
If you really want to go down the US route where Democrats always despise Republican Presidents and Republicans always despise Democrat Presidents and make the head of state a divisive politician president then fine. You can move to the USA!
In Ireland people are quite proud of the basketball and keepy-uppy skills of their new President. It's not what I thought Presidential politics was going to be like, but a country could do worse.
Though over a third of Irish voters still voted against her
Dissent is the essence of democracy.
We have enough dissent as it is when we elect MPs and the party to form our government and whose leader becomes PM, local councils, the London Mayor and Assembly, Holyrood and the Senedd etc without having it for head of state as well
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
Also, it is an achievable physical task which has an end goal which we can see when it has been achieved - this is something we are hard-wired to feel satisfaction for, but which we get precious few opportunities to experience nowadays.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
You were once an enfant terrible edgelord even on here, but your humdrum domestic situation is very much the mark of a centrist dad. Congratulations!
The road from home decor advice to the HWRC site is but a short walk.
Mate. It’s not funny
Since my last report from the front line of centrist dorkism, I’ve just discussed bin collection with a neighbour, had a cheerful little chat with some workmen on my road, and now I’ve just bought more celeriac from Whole Foods
This may just be the most centrist dad early afternoon in the history of sensible jerseys
YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
Erm, the story aiui was that Yougov would publish the results of the nationwide question Farage approves of as well as the constituency question Yougov uses to predict tactical voting and that depresses the Reform score. I guess we shall find out next time.
Yes but Reform and then the Times were claiming this meant YouGov were changing their polling They arent. They will just publish some more data but not alter their headline figure. Its no different to pollsters that reassign dont knows or weight differently for 2024 non voters or etc etc, just that Farage doesnt like being on 23%
Polling is politics now. Because polls matter to the way the media presents politics, and can make the political weather, and potentially influence the electorate, as well as political decision-making, it was inevitable that they would be co-opted by political groups. More In Common is a pro-European pressure group. Matt Goodwin is whatever Matt Goodwin is. And even pollsters with a long-standing reputation like YouGov, will be run by people who, in the milieu of modern corporate and state life, believe that their job is to 'add value' rather than simply 'record the facts'. Reform aren't wrong to respond to this, and whilst we (especially those who gamble on the strength of polling) may regret the passing of polls as inviolable truth, we should be wise enough to look beneath the surface. Farage has done us a favour by asking Yougov to be more transparent.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
You were once an enfant terrible edgelord even on here, but your humdrum domestic situation is very much the mark of a centrist dad. Congratulations!
The road from home decor advice to the HWRC site is but a short walk.
Mate. It’s not funny
Since my last report from the front line of centrist dorkism, I’ve just discussed bin collection with a neighbour, had a cheerful little chat with some workmen on my road, and now I’ve just bought more celeriac from Whole Foods
This may just be the most centrist dad early afternoon in the history of sensible jerseys
I used to go to warzones
Can't you pitch a trip to Sandpit's rooftop bar ? The local tourist industry would surely be happy to fund something along those lines.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
You were once an enfant terrible edgelord even on here, but your humdrum domestic situation is very much the mark of a centrist dad. Congratulations!
The road from home decor advice to the HWRC site is but a short walk.
Mate. It’s not funny
Since my last report from the front line of centrist dorkism, I’ve just discussed bin collection with a neighbour, had a cheerful little chat with some workmen on my road, and now I’ve just bought more celeriac from Whole Foods
This may just be the most centrist dad early afternoon in the history of sensible jerseys
I used to go to warzones
Sorry but Sandpit has taken over the cocktail reviews while in a war zone post...
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Absolute proof that PB is atypical. There's not much support for Labour among our contributors, the vast majority of whom I would suggest are comfortably off, if not wealthy.
There is more support on here for Labour than Reform though, so in that sense it is somewhat typical of its demographic
True. But I wonder if we have a 'shy Reformer' effect going on. Overtly confessing an intention to vote for them is a bit like mooning the forum. It takes a certain sensibility to do that. Easier to just push their talking points - as for example Kemi does and tbf SKS too sometimes (although less so now because of the Greens).
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
You were once an enfant terrible edgelord even on here, but your humdrum domestic situation is very much the mark of a centrist dad. Congratulations!
The road from home decor advice to the HWRC site is but a short walk.
Mate. It’s not funny
Since my last report from the front line of centrist dorkism, I’ve just discussed bin collection with a neighbour, had a cheerful little chat with some workmen on my road, and now I’ve just bought more celeriac from Whole Foods
This may just be the most centrist dad early afternoon in the history of sensible jerseys
I used to go to warzones
Advice from one centrist dad to another... put your black bin schedule in your phone's calendar. Then you can always put the right bins out each week and take the coveted position of 'binfluencer' - the person the neighbours look to emulate on bin day.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
Also, it is an achievable physical task which has an end goal which we can see when it has been achieved - this is something we are hard-wired to feel satisfaction for, but which we get precious few opportunities to experience nowadays.
Yes, something for the hands other than tap tap tap on a keyboard. I'm trying to get more of that in my life.
OT - There are few Lab politicians markedly LESS able at communication than Ed - but Yvette Cooper is certainly one of them.
I'd be worried for the Lab Party's sanity but the story is in the Mail so its probably been planted by No 10 (assuming its not just made up whole cloth). So that's one issue sorted of the thousands upon which to question the Lab Party's sanity
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Absolute proof that PB is atypical. There's not much support for Labour among our contributors, the vast majority of whom I would suggest are comfortably off, if not wealthy.
There is more support on here for Labour than Reform though, so in that sense it is somewhat typical of its demographic
True. But I wonder if we have a 'shy Reformer' effect going on. Overtly confessing an intention to vote for them is a bit like mooning the forum. It takes a certain sensibility to do that. Easier to just push their talking points - as for example Kemi does and tbf SKS too sometimes (although less so now because of the Greens).
I sympathise with Reform, and I also have grave doubts about them. That’s probably quite a common position. It’s probably similar to someone in 1920, wondering whether to choose Liberal or Labour.
If you missed it last night a fascinating breakdown of voting intention by wealth in the Ipsos poll, with Labour now the party of the wealthy having lost the poor and working class and much of the lower middle class to Reform and the Greens.
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable' https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Absolute proof that PB is atypical. There's not much support for Labour among our contributors, the vast majority of whom I would suggest are comfortably off, if not wealthy.
There is more support on here for Labour than Reform though, so in that sense it is somewhat typical of its demographic
True. But I wonder if we have a 'shy Reformer' effect going on. Overtly confessing an intention to vote for them is a bit like mooning the forum. It takes a certain sensibility to do that. Easier to just push their talking points - as for example Kemi does and tbf SKS too sometimes (although less so now because of the Greens).
I sympathise with Reform, and I also have grave doubts about them. That’s probably quite a common position.
Yes. And I'd be hoping the second comes to overwhelm the first.
YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
Erm, the story aiui was that Yougov would publish the results of the nationwide question Farage approves of as well as the constituency question Yougov uses to predict tactical voting and that depresses the Reform score. I guess we shall find out next time.
Yes but Reform and then the Times were claiming this meant YouGov were changing their polling They arent. They will just publish some more data but not alter their headline figure. Its no different to pollsters that reassign dont knows or weight differently for 2024 non voters or etc etc, just that Farage doesnt like being on 23%
Polling is politics now. Because polls matter to the way the media presents politics, and can make the political weather, and potentially influence the electorate, as well as political decision-making, it was inevitable that they would be co-opted by political groups. More In Common is a pro-European pressure group. Matt Goodwin is whatever Matt Goodwin is. And even pollsters with a long-standing reputation like YouGov, will be run by people who, in the milieu of modern corporate and state life, believe that their job is to 'add value' rather than simply 'record the facts'. Reform aren't wrong to respond to this, and whilst we (especially those who gamble on the strength of polling) may regret the passing of polls as inviolable truth, we should be wise enough to look beneath the surface. Farage has done us a favour by asking Yougov to be more transparent.
Nah, its Reform trying to cast doubt on polling they don't like. If it were 'transparency' theyd have not been tryimg to insinuate nefarious intent by YouGov. They'd have just accepted YG sayimg theyd publish the additional data
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
What BdW said in his interview with L'Echo was... Un deal avec la Russie semble la seule solution envisageable.
His broader thesis is that the policy of buggering on until Russia surrenders isn't working and can't ever work because the US is just not that into it. So there is going to have to be a deal and a normalisation of relations.
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
Grumpy old man moans about modernity is a story as old as time itself.
A truly devastating response. I am so crushed I may have to stop commenting for the rest of the day
Rarely have I been more keen for one of your posts to be true.
I am at the recycling centre. I find going to the recycling centre oddly satisfying. I’m trying to work out why
1. I’m doing something worthy 2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit 3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
You were once an enfant terrible edgelord even on here, but your humdrum domestic situation is very much the mark of a centrist dad. Congratulations!
The road from home decor advice to the HWRC site is but a short walk.
Mate. It’s not funny
Since my last report from the front line of centrist dorkism, I’ve just discussed bin collection with a neighbour, had a cheerful little chat with some workmen on my road, and now I’ve just bought more celeriac from Whole Foods
This may just be the most centrist dad early afternoon in the history of sensible jerseys
I used to go to warzones
Can't you pitch a trip to Sandpit's rooftop bar ? The local tourist industry would surely be happy to fund something along those lines.
It’s a nice idea. But insurance would be a major issue. No one would commission it for that reason, as a travel piece
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
What BdW said in his interview with L'Echo was... Un deal avec la Russie semble la seule solution envisageable.
His broader thesis is that the policy of buggering on until Russia surrenders isn't working and can't ever work because the US is just not that into it. So there is going to have to be a deal and a normalisation of relations.
The problem is Russia won’t do a deal, until it becomes clear to Putin that total victory is unobtainable. By which point, his military will be in dire straits.
It’s like Stalin putting out peace feelers to Hitler in 1942/3. Hitler was not interested, and after Kursk, Stalin had no reason to seek peace.
YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
Erm, the story aiui was that Yougov would publish the results of the nationwide question Farage approves of as well as the constituency question Yougov uses to predict tactical voting and that depresses the Reform score. I guess we shall find out next time.
Yes but Reform and then the Times were claiming this meant YouGov were changing their polling They arent. They will just publish some more data but not alter their headline figure. Its no different to pollsters that reassign dont knows or weight differently for 2024 non voters or etc etc, just that Farage doesnt like being on 23%
Polling is politics now. Because polls matter to the way the media presents politics, and can make the political weather, and potentially influence the electorate, as well as political decision-making, it was inevitable that they would be co-opted by political groups. More In Common is a pro-European pressure group. Matt Goodwin is whatever Matt Goodwin is. And even pollsters with a long-standing reputation like YouGov, will be run by people who, in the milieu of modern corporate and state life, believe that their job is to 'add value' rather than simply 'record the facts'. Reform aren't wrong to respond to this, and whilst we (especially those who gamble on the strength of polling) may regret the passing of polls as inviolable truth, we should be wise enough to look beneath the surface. Farage has done us a favour by asking Yougov to be more transparent.
Nah, its Reform trying to cast doubt on polling they don't like. If it were 'transparency' theyd have not been tryimg to insinuate nefarious intent by YouGov. They'd have just accepted YG sayimg theyd publish the additional data
We will all be able to assess whether we believe there has been nefarious intent when we see what additional information Yougov puts on the table. As a message board of polling nerds, I think most of us will look forward to it.
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
What BdW said in his interview with L'Echo was... Un deal avec la Russie semble la seule solution envisageable.
His broader thesis is that the policy of buggering on until Russia surrenders isn't working and can't ever work because the US is just not that into it. So there is going to have to be a deal and a normalisation of relations.
Belgium.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/europeans-criticize-de-wevers-call-to-normalize-russia-ties ..His comments have prompted criticism from within his own government. Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Maxime Prévot, who hails from the centrist French-speaking party Les Engagés, said that while Europe should engage in diplomacy with Russia, “dialog is not the same as normalization. And that is a crucial distinction. Today, Russia refuses a European presence at the table. It maintains maximalist demands.”
He added: “As long as that is the case, talking about normalization sends a signal of weakness and undermines the European unity we need now more than ever.”..\
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
Right now, I’m working out an (entirely lawful) plan to save my clients £130,000 Inheritance Tax. I see nothing wrong with that.
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
What BdW said in his interview with L'Echo was... Un deal avec la Russie semble la seule solution envisageable.
His broader thesis is that the policy of buggering on until Russia surrenders isn't working and can't ever work because the US is just not that into it. So there is going to have to be a deal and a normalisation of relations.
Belgium.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/europeans-criticize-de-wevers-call-to-normalize-russia-ties ..His comments have prompted criticism from within his own government. Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Maxime Prévot, who hails from the centrist French-speaking party Les Engagés, said that while Europe should engage in diplomacy with Russia, “dialog is not the same as normalization. And that is a crucial distinction. Today, Russia refuses a European presence at the table. It maintains maximalist demands.”
He added: “As long as that is the case, talking about normalization sends a signal of weakness and undermines the European unity we need now more than ever.”..\
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
I’d argue the poor valuations relative to other indexes and Stamp duty are also a thing that hampers listing here.
We should let businesses, and their shareholders, determine who the senior people are in their organisation, and the make up of it, not witless politicians looking to have their egos stroked by lobbyists.
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
Right now, I’m working out an (entirely lawful) plan to save my clients £130,000 Inheritance Tax. I see nothing wrong with that.
Neither do I and I see nothing wrong with what Tice did.
It’s legal.
If people don’t like it campaign to change the law and get it changed
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
What BdW said in his interview with L'Echo was... Un deal avec la Russie semble la seule solution envisageable.
His broader thesis is that the policy of buggering on until Russia surrenders isn't working and can't ever work because the US is just not that into it. So there is going to have to be a deal and a normalisation of relations.
Belgium.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/europeans-criticize-de-wevers-call-to-normalize-russia-ties ..His comments have prompted criticism from within his own government. Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Maxime Prévot, who hails from the centrist French-speaking party Les Engagés, said that while Europe should engage in diplomacy with Russia, “dialog is not the same as normalization. And that is a crucial distinction. Today, Russia refuses a European presence at the table. It maintains maximalist demands.”
He added: “As long as that is the case, talking about normalization sends a signal of weakness and undermines the European unity we need now more than ever.”..\
Not like they have any skin in the game.
Dialogue is not the same as normalisation.
Indeed. You should move to the US and offer English lessons.
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
Right now, I’m working out an (entirely lawful) plan to save my clients £130,000 Inheritance Tax. I see nothing wrong with that.
YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
Erm, the story aiui was that Yougov would publish the results of the nationwide question Farage approves of as well as the constituency question Yougov uses to predict tactical voting and that depresses the Reform score. I guess we shall find out next time.
Yes but Reform and then the Times were claiming this meant YouGov were changing their polling They arent. They will just publish some more data but not alter their headline figure. Its no different to pollsters that reassign dont knows or weight differently for 2024 non voters or etc etc, just that Farage doesnt like being on 23%
Polling is politics now. Because polls matter to the way the media presents politics, and can make the political weather, and potentially influence the electorate, as well as political decision-making, it was inevitable that they would be co-opted by political groups. More In Common is a pro-European pressure group. Matt Goodwin is whatever Matt Goodwin is. And even pollsters with a long-standing reputation like YouGov, will be run by people who, in the milieu of modern corporate and state life, believe that their job is to 'add value' rather than simply 'record the facts'. Reform aren't wrong to respond to this, and whilst we (especially those who gamble on the strength of polling) may regret the passing of polls as inviolable truth, we should be wise enough to look beneath the surface. Farage has done us a favour by asking Yougov to be more transparent.
Nah, its Reform trying to cast doubt on polling they don't like. If it were 'transparency' theyd have not been tryimg to insinuate nefarious intent by YouGov. They'd have just accepted YG sayimg theyd publish the additional data
We will all be able to assess whether we believe there has been nefarious intent when we see what additional information Yougov puts on the table. As a message board of polling nerds, I think most of us will look forward to it.
Theyve published the data on occasion previously. Ive not yet seen anyone assessing that it makes a big difference on those occasions the data has been available. And it didnt seem to be a problem for Paranoia Reform inc. when YouGov had them fairly high (and fairly accurate) in the run up to July 24 using the same methodology. Its childish foot stamping. All parties have a range with all pollsters. Reforms range is not noticably different to other parties. There has to be a low ball and a high ball on house effects and VI is a snapshot. Its not measuring an immutable 'truth'
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
The counterargument to that would be that actually overregulation and overtaxation entrench wealth and power, because they keep down competitors to large corporations that can afford to pay the taxes and comply with the regulations. What is true for companies is also true of individuals. Grammar schools were one of the biggest weapons of social mobility, giving an elite education and access to elite universities to the children of poor families. Their loss entrenches privilege. See also price controls - rent, food, energy etc. they almost always result in prices going up, and always in less fluid markets, so the haves remain the haves, and the have nots don't get a look in.
A truly competitive free market economy, in its growth and churn, upsets these applecarts. It makes everyone wealthier, not just the big corporations.
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
What BdW said in his interview with L'Echo was... Un deal avec la Russie semble la seule solution envisageable.
His broader thesis is that the policy of buggering on until Russia surrenders isn't working and can't ever work because the US is just not that into it. So there is going to have to be a deal and a normalisation of relations.
Belgium.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/europeans-criticize-de-wevers-call-to-normalize-russia-ties ..His comments have prompted criticism from within his own government. Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Maxime Prévot, who hails from the centrist French-speaking party Les Engagés, said that while Europe should engage in diplomacy with Russia, “dialog is not the same as normalization. And that is a crucial distinction. Today, Russia refuses a European presence at the table. It maintains maximalist demands.”
He added: “As long as that is the case, talking about normalization sends a signal of weakness and undermines the European unity we need now more than ever.”..\
Not like they have any skin in the game.
Dialogue is not the same as normalisation.
Indeed. You should move to the US and offer English lessons.
How do we think Trump will respond to Europe uniformly rejecting his demand for help in Hormuz when he wakes up?
Calmly and through usual diplomatic channels?
He can tell them they have a choice between pulling their weight and submitting to Russia.
Your conclusion from the Ukraine war is that Russia could succeed in a broader war against Europe that would force us to submit to them without US help?
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
I’m talking about energy policy. If the straits of Hormuz stay closed and energy prices start causing major economic problems, the Bart de Wever view that Europe should normalise trade with Russia will gain ground.
What BdW said in his interview with L'Echo was... Un deal avec la Russie semble la seule solution envisageable.
His broader thesis is that the policy of buggering on until Russia surrenders isn't working and can't ever work because the US is just not that into it. So there is going to have to be a deal and a normalisation of relations.
Meanwhile Russian social media has started pushing the fictitious existence of a People's Republic of Narva in Eastern Estonia, a direct copy of the tactics in the Donbas in 2014.
There's no deal possible with Russia because Russia isn't interested in a deal short of European subservience to a Russian Empire.
I'm not 100% confident in Europe coming to Estonia's aid at a time when European cities and infrastructure will be very vulnerable to Russian missiles.
People should prepare themselves psychologically for war. There's a real risk of it happening and of our pretensions of military superiority over Russia being shattered.
Why is Britain's economy in the toilet? Answer number 4,982:
"Publicly traded companies in Britain must have, or “explain to the regulator” why they do not have:
- A minimum of 40% women on their board of directors - A woman CEO, chairman of the board, CFO and/or Senior Independent Director - A board member who is an ethnic minority
Why is anybody confused about why so few companies want to list here and so few promising startups scale up here?
Would you agree to put people in charge of your company on the basis of their sex or race in order to meet a diversity quota?
These rules were brought in by the Conservative Party in 2022, BTW."
Note, again, the explicitly racist exclusion of "whites" in the rules
Can you list all the FTSE100 boards with no white members given they are apparently excluded? I'll give you a clue, you should be able to type the full list in no time at all.
Which proves absolutely fuck all, as you know - or you are too stupid to read the tweet and see the reference I am citing
This is racist discrimination against white people. And it's just one example of hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the name of Diversity and Wokeness
We are surely the first race and civilisation in history to discriminate AGAINST ourselves, and in such overt, destructive ways. The backlash, if it comes, will be ugly indeed, and entirely unnecessary
The hegemony of the majority ethnic group on positions of power is so entrenched that efforts to reduce it slightly will lead to a horrifying backlash? That's possible, I suppose. Rupert Lowe is positioning for exactly this, isn't he, with his Restore (white supremacy) vehicle and they are quite short (17) to win the next GE. But I'd hope we weren't so fragile and I don't think we are. It's a lay imo. A strong lay.
On topic. On latest info available less than 50% ftse100 and ftse250 met the Women on boards requirement, even lower for Women in senior leadership, only the at least 1 ethnic minority board member requirement is close to being met.
Productivity and company performance has been dismal way before the representation on boards requirement came in, it's the "stale white male promote in their own image" boards that have resulted in the "share price when my options vest" short termism rather then long term planning.
A decade or so back, it was being touted how much cheaper and more successful S Korean company boards were than UK or US.
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
Right now, I’m working out an (entirely lawful) plan to save my clients £130,000 Inheritance Tax. I see nothing wrong with that.
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
Right now, I’m working out an (entirely lawful) plan to save my clients £130,000 Inheritance Tax. I see nothing wrong with that.
Used to be there was a binary divide between illegal tax evasion and legal tax avoidance. We're talking here about aggressive tax avoidance, which usually involves misrepresentation. Someone pretends to be doing something tax efficient, but the activity is artificial or not happening at all. In this alleged case using an investment vehicle under false pretences that requires multiple ownership to be tax free, when it was only holding Tice's own investments. Based on the allegations, HMRC should throw the book at Tice.
YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
Erm, the story aiui was that Yougov would publish the results of the nationwide question Farage approves of as well as the constituency question Yougov uses to predict tactical voting and that depresses the Reform score. I guess we shall find out next time.
Yes but Reform and then the Times were claiming this meant YouGov were changing their polling They arent. They will just publish some more data but not alter their headline figure. Its no different to pollsters that reassign dont knows or weight differently for 2024 non voters or etc etc, just that Farage doesnt like being on 23%
Polling is politics now. Because polls matter to the way the media presents politics, and can make the political weather, and potentially influence the electorate, as well as political decision-making, it was inevitable that they would be co-opted by political groups. More In Common is a pro-European pressure group. Matt Goodwin is whatever Matt Goodwin is. And even pollsters with a long-standing reputation like YouGov, will be run by people who, in the milieu of modern corporate and state life, believe that their job is to 'add value' rather than simply 'record the facts'. Reform aren't wrong to respond to this, and whilst we (especially those who gamble on the strength of polling) may regret the passing of polls as inviolable truth, we should be wise enough to look beneath the surface. Farage has done us a favour by asking Yougov to be more transparent.
Nah, its Reform trying to cast doubt on polling they don't like. If it were 'transparency' theyd have not been tryimg to insinuate nefarious intent by YouGov. They'd have just accepted YG sayimg theyd publish the additional data
We will all be able to assess whether we believe there has been nefarious intent when we see what additional information Yougov puts on the table. As a message board of polling nerds, I think most of us will look forward to it.
Theyve published the data on occasion previously. Ive not yet seen anyone assessing that it makes a big difference on those occasions the data has been available. And it didnt seem to be a problem for Paranoia Reform inc. when YouGov had them fairly high (and fairly accurate) in the run up to July 24 using the same methodology. Its childish foot stamping. All parties have a range with all pollsters. Reforms range is not noticably different to other parties. There has to be a low ball and a high ball on house effects and VI is a snapshot. Its not measuring an immutable 'truth'
That assumes that Yougov's methodology has remained exactly the same over the period. It will also be interesting to see that. If they have switched away from a formula that was successful in 2024, toward a formula that has been less successful in local and byelections since, that tells its own story.
Reform seem to have upset you, but I'm very meh about it. It is not Queensberry rules.
YouGov confirm no change to methodology or results no matter how much Nigel cries
Erm, the story aiui was that Yougov would publish the results of the nationwide question Farage approves of as well as the constituency question Yougov uses to predict tactical voting and that depresses the Reform score. I guess we shall find out next time.
Yes but Reform and then the Times were claiming this meant YouGov were changing their polling They arent. They will just publish some more data but not alter their headline figure. Its no different to pollsters that reassign dont knows or weight differently for 2024 non voters or etc etc, just that Farage doesnt like being on 23%
Polling is politics now. Because polls matter to the way the media presents politics, and can make the political weather, and potentially influence the electorate, as well as political decision-making, it was inevitable that they would be co-opted by political groups. More In Common is a pro-European pressure group. Matt Goodwin is whatever Matt Goodwin is. And even pollsters with a long-standing reputation like YouGov, will be run by people who, in the milieu of modern corporate and state life, believe that their job is to 'add value' rather than simply 'record the facts'. Reform aren't wrong to respond to this, and whilst we (especially those who gamble on the strength of polling) may regret the passing of polls as inviolable truth, we should be wise enough to look beneath the surface. Farage has done us a favour by asking Yougov to be more transparent.
Nah, its Reform trying to cast doubt on polling they don't like. If it were 'transparency' theyd have not been tryimg to insinuate nefarious intent by YouGov. They'd have just accepted YG sayimg theyd publish the additional data
We will all be able to assess whether we believe there has been nefarious intent when we see what additional information Yougov puts on the table. As a message board of polling nerds, I think most of us will look forward to it.
Theyve published the data on occasion previously. Ive not yet seen anyone assessing that it makes a big difference on those occasions the data has been available. And it didnt seem to be a problem for Paranoia Reform inc. when YouGov had them fairly high (and fairly accurate) in the run up to July 24 using the same methodology. Its childish foot stamping. All parties have a range with all pollsters. Reforms range is not noticably different to other parties. There has to be a low ball and a high ball on house effects and VI is a snapshot. Its not measuring an immutable 'truth'
That assumes that Reform's methodology has remained exactly the same over the period. It will also be interesting to see that. If they have switched away from a formula that was successful in 2024, toward a formula that has been less successful in local and byelections since, that tells its own story.
Reform seem to have upset you, but I'm very meh about it. It is not Queensberry rules.
No its not Queensbury rules. So calling Reform out on their bull is equally fair. They havent upset me, i just viscerally dislike the party and its leadership and their attitude.
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
They are very different creatures. I (like most small business owners) avoid tax by taking dividends rather than salary. I could avoid tax by leasing an EV through my business and only pay 2% BIK, rather than full whack like I would for an ICE car. I avoided paying VAT on repairing my patio by doing the job myself.
Some of these are laws of unintended consequences (I've no idea why it's most tax efficient to take money as dividends, it's just how it is within our tax system), whilst others are very intentional - that 2% BIK exists purely to bribe me to buy a EV rather than an ICE car.
Evasion is where I ignore the rules entirely, eg I take cash from my customer and just pocket it, rather than pay VAT, Corp etc on it.
If the US bomb Iranian oil tankers then the oil price goes up and Iran will throw a load of missiles at Gulf states oil facilities causing a further spike .
Allowing them to proceed keeps the revenues flowing for Iran .
Anyway, I always think Tice is a big let down. A poor speaker because he is obsessed with doing it 'off-the-cuff' and can't do it. Use the autocue and do it properly you silly man.
🇫🇷 France: REJECTED 🇬🇧 UK: REJECTED 🇮🇹 Italy: REJECTED 🇪🇸 Spain: REJECTED 🇯🇵 Japan: REJECTED 🇳🇴 Norway: REJECTED 🇨🇦 Canada: REJECTED 🇦🇺 Australia: REJECTED 🇩🇪 Germany: REJECTED 🇨🇳 China: NO RESPONSE 🇳🇱 Netherlands: NO RESPONSE 🇰🇷 South Korea: NO CONFIRMATION
Trump could ask his mates in Hungary, Argentina and El Salvador to send their navies.
Perhaps his mate Nigel could send him some pleasure boats from his base in Clacton, assuming he'll get them back in time for the holiday season.
You jest, but of course Rupert Lowe, formerly of Nigel's parish called in the Navy to intercept those pedalos* near Great Yarmouth Pier that he thought were bringing immigrants from Calais.
Struggling to see how anyone cannot agree Ed M is absolutely right about the need to get off fossil fuels and onto nuclear and renewables as soon as possible.
He is right, Horse, but he is also Ed Milliband and should not be allowed anywhere near 10 Downing Street.
Anyway, I always think Tice is a big let down. A poor speaker because he is obsessed with doing it 'off-the-cuff' and can't do it. Use the autocue and do it properly you silly man.
He just makes stuff up. He's one of those people who say things that he thinks ought to be true. I'd imagine it goes down a treat when he's chatting to Reform friendly audiences who share his prejudices and are untroubled by the facts but it doesn't work at all well with undecided or skeptical audiences. He is a cheery chap though, which is nice. Farage and Jenrick have a darker view of the world. I like optimists.
Tice pitches that people should pay the minimum possible Tax, to cover up his own nefarious activities.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
Right now, I’m working out an (entirely lawful) plan to save my clients £130,000 Inheritance Tax. I see nothing wrong with that.
Imagine the furore if a Labour or Tory high profile politician used a very creative scheme to avoid that much tax . It would be all over the front pages .
Poor, thick and voting for people who will make their lives even worse . If you’re poor and vote for Reform then you’re a moron who needs to stop breeding .
Struggling to see how anyone cannot agree Ed M is absolutely right about the need to get off fossil fuels and onto nuclear and renewables as soon as possible.
He is right, Horse, but he is also Ed Milliband and should not be allowed anywhere near 10 Downing Street.
I'm not sure why this is a struggle for Horse. There is no gain to be made in forcing the public and companies to adopt renewables (especially shit ones) via punitive measures, whilst also importing from countries that pollute big. It rewards polluters by off-shoring our economy to them.
China has done the opposite - used the cheapest, dirtiest fuels, widened its lead over Western economies (especially the British economy - in the 90s we actually used to manufacture solar panels), and is no using renewables in a considered way where it makes economical sense. Do they face a storm of invectice from us for taking that approach? Nope. Instead UK greenies like ours here coo and gush about the amazing strides they've made in 'emissions increases decelerating' like parents admiring a shit picture by their child.
We should do the same. Use fossil fules to power our economy, our technological growth, and our transition away from fossile fuels, in good time.
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https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/5783527-senate-confirmation-process-crisis/
Unlike Carney, who looks a muppet.
Trump now left completely out in the cold and the UK looks like it's leading an anti-Trump coalition to keep the UK out of the war.
It’s is a big ask of people. To take time out of their lives to campaign and, for what, either to job to some other mid carder or if you become a councillor it’s becoming more and more of a thankless task.
Not quite sure why you see fit to snigger but, well, it’s PB isn’t it.
You only need to pull your weight in a conflict you've agreed to take part in. We didn't agree to take part, so no weight pulling necessary.
If anyone the lesson of the last four years is that the great military powers are not as dominant in imposing their will on others as they previously thought they were.
Why would Iran trust any negotiation and also any third party who’d help ?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/labour-candidate-pulls-out-election-33487138
'Starmer Labour lead with the comfortably off but Reform lead with all other social groups with Farage's party polling highest with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable followed by the financially stable and also leading with the just about coping.
Kemi's Tories like Starmer Labour poll best with the comfortably off while the LDs do best with the financially stable. The Polanski led Greens like Reform do best with the financially precarious/extremely vulnerable'
https://x.com/Ipsos_in_the_UK/status/2033147506322772415?s=20
Loads of stuff on there is absolute mince - take https://tinyurl.com/bs3kuwu3 for instance. Balance sheet of £58 Bn prepared under the "small companies" regime. Which would have meant a sub £10.2M turnover for a balance sheet of £58 Bn (Not very likely).
With the rise of Reform and the Greens class is once again becoming a predictor of VI, even if there is now no class difference of any significance between the Tories and Labour and the LDs
Russia is an existential threat. High energy prices due to the Strait closing is a temporary problem, even if it never opens again.
& given recent history, who can blame them?
However, doing a press ad in Metro now highlights some of Reform's specific weaknesses. First is being a nationwide Nigel fanclub means they don't have the community networks to tap up plausible councillors. It's why disaffected Conservatives are so important to them; they do have those tendrils in the right places.
Second, this is terrible planning timewise- the nomination deadline is just over three weeks away. No way is quality vetting happening in that time.
It's not malicious, but there's a huge "how does that work if everyone does it?" blind spot.
The Tories had problems in NW Norfolk last year failing to find anyone for 2 wards in a parliamentary seat they hold.
I guess the problem now is you have Ref/Con and Lab/Green/Gaza/YP all fishing the same respective ponds for candidates and LDs on top of that. They wont find 18,000 candidates plus each
1. I’m doing something worthy
2. It gives me a little hit of community spirit
3. I am genuinely getting rid of annoying junk, which pleases
Inside me there is some tiny tiny centrist dad. I think this - recycling - is the one time his reedy little voice gets heard. It’s the one time I feel like you, or @kinabalu or @OnlyLivingBoy or the rest of the unutterably dreary rabble of witless liberal bores that dominates this dying forum
This site has always had a liberal bias though.
The road from home decor advice to the HWRC site is but a short walk.
They arent. They will just publish some more data but not alter their headline figure.
Its no different to pollsters that reassign dont knows or weight differently for 2024 non voters or etc etc, just that Farage doesnt like being on 23%
Since my last report from the front line of centrist dorkism, I’ve just discussed bin collection with a neighbour, had a cheerful little chat with some workmen on my road, and now I’ve just bought more celeriac from Whole Foods
This may just be the most centrist dad early afternoon in the history of sensible jerseys
I used to go to warzones
The local tourist industry would surely be happy to fund something along those lines.
I'd be worried for the Lab Party's sanity but the story is in the Mail so its probably been planted by No 10 (assuming its not just made up whole cloth). So that's one issue sorted of the thousands upon which to question the Lab Party's sanity
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BREAKING: US claims it allows Iranian oil tankers to transit Hormuz to maintain global supply
https://x.com/AJENews/status/2033526281636106721?s=20
Un deal avec la Russie semble la seule solution envisageable.
His broader thesis is that the policy of buggering on until Russia surrenders isn't working and can't ever work because the US is just not that into it. So there is going to have to be a deal and a normalisation of relations.
Whether they break the Law or not, Tax avoidance is as bad as Tax evasion in my eyes and always has been.
Tice may need to explain to his core vote the C and D categories who will rely more on public services than most, that by choice he will be destroying any concept of public services
That in part defines a reason why well off and wealthy do lean left and vote left. It is because we believe in equality of opportunity irrespective of what we were born in to, the polar opposite of the silver spoon brigade, but that wealth earned should be distributed via tax to the less well off, and inherited wealth should certainly be more equally distributed.
That does not allow the NEET state Boris, Truss and Sunak created however.
I will take to my grave my time spent in Sweden when Olaf Palme was in power, a high tax, world class public service system that rewarded enterprise and deliver hope and prosperity. A generation who glady contributed to the wonderful services provided by the State for the benefit of everyone.
It’s like Stalin putting out peace feelers to Hitler in 1942/3. Hitler was not interested, and after Kursk, Stalin had no reason to seek peace.
https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/europeans-criticize-de-wevers-call-to-normalize-russia-ties
..His comments have prompted criticism from within his own government. Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Maxime Prévot, who hails from the centrist French-speaking party Les Engagés, said that while Europe should engage in diplomacy with Russia, “dialog is not the same as normalization. And that is a crucial distinction. Today, Russia refuses a European presence at the table. It maintains maximalist demands.”
He added: “As long as that is the case, talking about normalization sends a signal of weakness and undermines the European unity we need now more than ever.”..\
Not like they have any skin in the game.
I’d argue the poor valuations relative to other indexes and Stamp duty are also a thing that hampers listing here.
We should let businesses, and their shareholders, determine who the senior people are in their organisation, and the make up of it, not witless politicians looking to have their egos stroked by lobbyists.
It’s legal.
If people don’t like it campaign to change the law and get it changed
You should move to the US and offer English lessons.
Its childish foot stamping.
All parties have a range with all pollsters. Reforms range is not noticably different to other parties. There has to be a low ball and a high ball on house effects and VI is a snapshot. Its not measuring an immutable 'truth'
A truly competitive free market economy, in its growth and churn, upsets these applecarts. It makes everyone wealthier, not just the big corporations.
There's no deal possible with Russia because Russia isn't interested in a deal short of European subservience to a Russian Empire.
I'm not 100% confident in Europe coming to Estonia's aid at a time when European cities and infrastructure will be very vulnerable to Russian missiles.
People should prepare themselves psychologically for war. There's a real risk of it happening and of our pretensions of military superiority over Russia being shattered.
The rules are there to help the wealthy stay wealthy.
On latest info available less than 50% ftse100 and ftse250 met the Women on boards requirement, even lower for Women in senior leadership, only the at least 1 ethnic minority board member requirement is close to being met.
Productivity and company performance has been dismal way before the representation on boards requirement came in, it's the "stale white male promote in their own image" boards that have resulted in the "share price when my options vest" short termism rather then long term planning.
A decade or so back, it was being touted how much cheaper and more successful S Korean company boards were than UK or US.
Reform seem to have upset you, but I'm very meh about it. It is not Queensberry rules.
They havent upset me, i just viscerally dislike the party and its leadership and their attitude.
Some of these are laws of unintended consequences (I've no idea why it's most tax efficient to take money as dividends, it's just how it is within our tax system), whilst others are very intentional - that 2% BIK exists purely to bribe me to buy a EV rather than an ICE car.
Evasion is where I ignore the rules entirely, eg I take cash from my customer and just pocket it, rather than pay VAT, Corp etc on it.
Mixing up the two does no-one any favours.
If the US bomb Iranian oil tankers then the oil price goes up and Iran will throw a load of missiles at Gulf states oil facilities causing a further spike .
Allowing them to proceed keeps the revenues flowing for Iran .
* My poetic licence.
Poor, thick and voting for people who will make their lives even worse . If you’re poor and vote for Reform then you’re a moron who needs to stop breeding .
China has done the opposite - used the cheapest, dirtiest fuels, widened its lead over Western economies (especially the British economy - in the 90s we actually used to manufacture solar panels), and is no using renewables in a considered way where it makes economical sense. Do they face a storm of invectice from us for taking that approach? Nope. Instead UK greenies like ours here coo and gush about the amazing strides they've made in 'emissions increases decelerating' like parents admiring a shit picture by their child.
We should do the same. Use fossil fules to power our economy, our technological growth, and our transition away from fossile fuels, in good time.