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A challenge facing both Morgan and Sarwar is many worry they wouldn't put Wales/Scotland's interests first against the wishes of Labour in Westminster. But Sarwar does score a little higher on this metric, esp with Lab 2024 voters and may be benefitting from distance with the PM pic.twitter.com/NnKrbsIHR5

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  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 628
    You have lost me there
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,864
    edited 7:35AM
    I think it should be "Reform will do worse in Scotland than the polls indicate..."

    (Today's obvious mistake testing whether we actually read the thread headers, natch)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,986
    Sarwar has to be the worst labour regional office leader yet and that really really takes some doing
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,818
    edited 7:36AM

    You have lost me there

    DavidL said:

    I think it should be "Reform will do worse in Scotland than the polls indicate..."

    Yes, I made a typo.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,818
    I am loving these new F1 regulations, Verstappen moaning like a whore makes me so happy.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,864
    Almost the only interesting thing that Sarwar has done was to suggest that Starmer should stand down as PM. Of course he did this ineptly and ineffectively having failed to check if anyone was going to follow his lead before he went over the top.

    When you compare the 2024 election with the last Holyrood election there is a massive swathe of constituency seats that should fall to Labour with a fairly uniform swing. Swinney has been awful as First Minister if not as catastrophic as his 2 predecessors largely because he avoids doing anything at all if he can possibly help it. He should be an easy target for a disgruntled electorate but it is not easy to see who is going to be firing the shot at the moment. Labour are in the Straits of Hormuz, Reform in Scotland make Reform in the rest of the UK look organised and professional, Alba probably won't even stand because they have run out of money and the Tories are coming off a remarkable high point for them and are likely to be slaughtered. And the Greens? Well, their period in government was apocalyptic.

    The SNP may be atrocious but there is the lack of a credible alternative.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,646

    I am loving these new F1 regulations, Verstappen moaning like a whore makes me so happy.

    Only SQ1, but Ferrari close to Mercedes too.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,912
    I've been pondering what word is the opposite of evolution. My selection is regression, but it interests me that it isn't devolution. (Not quite off topic.)

    Good morning, everybody.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,818
    edited 7:51AM
    AnneJGP said:

    I've been pondering what word is the opposite of evolution. My selection is regression, but it interests me that it isn't devolution. (Not quite off topic.)

    Good morning, everybody.

    Devolution is correct/acceptable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)
  • wembleytorwembleytor Posts: 32
    Lib Dems / Liberals had held Aigburth for 46 years before losing it to the Greens yesterday. There can't be many wards they've held for longer.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,848

    I am loving these new F1 regulations, Verstappen moaning like a whore makes me so happy.

    Only SQ1, but Ferrari close to Mercedes too.
    If Ferrari aren't close here - the season is already finished..
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,694
    No Labour losses in yesterday's by-elections!

    OK, we weren't defending any seats.

    However, we did lose two thirds of our vote share in a couple of wards, so no sign of an Iran bounce there.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,061
    edited 7:55AM
    When Offord was pooped out as leader of Reform in Scotland there was a chorus of approval from Scotland’s hacks about what a master stroke this was. I found it mystifying then and even more so now.
    Here’s a fawning encomium from the Scotch correspondent of the supposedly leftish New Statesman (can’t put a link up cos he’s blocked me).



  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,818
    eek said:

    I am loving these new F1 regulations, Verstappen moaning like a whore makes me so happy.

    Only SQ1, but Ferrari close to Mercedes too.
    If Ferrari aren't close here - the season is already finished..
    George Russell is worried.

    Mercedes driver George Russell has accused Ferrari of being "selfish" and "silly" in blocking change to the rules to improve safety at starts.

    Last week's opening race in Australia saw a large deviation in start performance across the grid. The worst incident involved a near-miss when Alpine driver Franco Colapinto narrowly avoided smashing at high speed into the back of the slow-moving Racing Bull of Liam Lawson.

    Russell said governing body the FIA had looked to modify the rule that led to those problems but said Ferrari were blocking it, without naming them.

    Ferrari driver Charles Leclerc leapt into the lead at the start in Melbourne from fourth on the grid, emphasising the impression that the Italian team have the best starts this year.

    Russell said the problems were caused by a "very quirky rule" that limits the amount of energy a car can harvest on the formation lap.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/cz6ezxyq359o
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,567

    No Labour losses in yesterday's by-elections!

    OK, we weren't defending any seats.

    However, we did lose two thirds of our vote share in a couple of wards, so no sign of an Iran bounce there.

    Whilst everyone is laughing at the Tories getting less tn 1% in Liverpool, nobody has commented on the rib-tickler of Labour getting 10%.

    In Liverpool.

    *Titter*
  • eekeek Posts: 32,848

    eek said:

    I am loving these new F1 regulations, Verstappen moaning like a whore makes me so happy.

    Only SQ1, but Ferrari close to Mercedes too.
    If Ferrari aren't close here - the season is already finished..
    George Russell is worried.

    Mercedes driver George Russell has accused Ferrari of being "selfish" and "silly" in blocking change to the rules to improve safety at starts.

    Last week's opening race in Australia saw a large deviation in start performance across the grid. The worst incident involved a near-miss when Alpine driver Franco Colapinto narrowly avoided smashing at high speed into the back of the slow-moving Racing Bull of Liam Lawson.

    Russell said governing body the FIA had looked to modify the rule that led to those problems but said Ferrari were blocking it, without naming them.

    Ferrari driver Charles Leclerc leapt into the lead at the start in Melbourne from fourth on the grid, emphasising the impression that the Italian team have the best starts this year.

    Russell said the problems were caused by a "very quirky rule" that limits the amount of energy a car can harvest on the formation lap.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/cz6ezxyq359o
    Pull away slowly when the formation lap begins as Ferrari did last week and will do tomorrow and Sunday..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,646
    eek said:

    I am loving these new F1 regulations, Verstappen moaning like a whore makes me so happy.

    Only SQ1, but Ferrari close to Mercedes too.
    If Ferrari aren't close here - the season is already finished..
    Race pace in Australia was much closer than qualifying, though. If Ferrari average a second row start but also taking the lead, and it's a long run here, then they're in with a shot. I agree the circuit seems to suit them more, overall.

    Russell just wants the start changing because Ferrari designed their engine better. Ferrari even pointed out the problem a year earlier and designed a smaller turbo for that reason. Nobody stopped other engine manufacturers doing the same.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,313

    No Labour losses in yesterday's by-elections!

    OK, we weren't defending any seats.

    However, we did lose two thirds of our vote share in a couple of wards, so no sign of an Iran bounce there.

    Whilst everyone is laughing at the Tories getting less tn 1% in Liverpool, nobody has commented on the rib-tickler of Labour getting 10%.

    In Liverpool.

    *Titter*
    It's because we only feel contempt for Labour not the pure elemental hatred that is the lot of the tories and all associated with them.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 957
    DavidL said:

    Almost the only interesting thing that Sarwar has done was to suggest that Starmer should stand down as PM. Of course he did this ineptly and ineffectively having failed to check if anyone was going to follow his lead before he went over the top.

    When you compare the 2024 election with the last Holyrood election there is a massive swathe of constituency seats that should fall to Labour with a fairly uniform swing. Swinney has been awful as First Minister if not as catastrophic as his 2 predecessors largely because he avoids doing anything at all if he can possibly help it. He should be an easy target for a disgruntled electorate but it is not easy to see who is going to be firing the shot at the moment. Labour are in the Straits of Hormuz, Reform in Scotland make Reform in the rest of the UK look organised and professional, Alba probably won't even stand because they have run out of money and the Tories are coming off a remarkable high point for them and are likely to be slaughtered. And the Greens? Well, their period in government was apocalyptic.

    The SNP may be atrocious but there is the lack of a credible alternative.

    I actually think Sarwar would be an improvement on Swinney in office, but the unpopularity of Labour nationally and the awkwardness of his position he has taken with the national party are likely to prevent that. I agree it's probably the SNP by default.
  • wembleytorwembleytor Posts: 32
    edited 8:05AM

    Lib Dems / Liberals had held Aigburth for 46 years before losing it to the Greens yesterday. There can't be many wards they've held for longer.

    Oops, misread the Wikipedia page. Lib / Lib Dems had won every election for 46 years, but there was no Aigburth ward for about 20 years until the last boundary changes in 2023.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 957

    AnneJGP said:

    I've been pondering what word is the opposite of evolution. My selection is regression, but it interests me that it isn't devolution. (Not quite off topic.)

    Good morning, everybody.

    Devolution is correct/acceptable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)
    Although the concept is of course wrong scientifically, Reform are fantastic evidence in support of it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,734
    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,567
    A good piece on Ukrainian drone-killers going to the Gulf:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okQlmZJkbBk
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,061
    edited 8:13AM

    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.

    The SNP won’t improve the life of a Tory in the south of England? The total bastards!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,102

    eek said:

    I am loving these new F1 regulations, Verstappen moaning like a whore makes me so happy.

    Only SQ1, but Ferrari close to Mercedes too.
    If Ferrari aren't close here - the season is already finished..
    Race pace in Australia was much closer than qualifying, though. If Ferrari average a second row start but also taking the lead, and it's a long run here, then they're in with a shot. I agree the circuit seems to suit them more, overall.

    Russell just wants the start changing because Ferrari designed their engine better. Ferrari even pointed out the problem a year earlier and designed a smaller turbo for that reason. Nobody stopped other engine manufacturers doing the same.
    Mercedes have their own engine advantage.
    A bit self serving to try to negate that of their closest competitor.

    Russell is a very fine driver, but not easy to earn to.
    He enjoys sticking it to Verstappen, which is a point in his favour.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,102
    Unpopular said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I've been pondering what word is the opposite of evolution. My selection is regression, but it interests me that it isn't devolution. (Not quite off topic.)

    Good morning, everybody.

    Devolution is correct/acceptable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)
    Although the concept is of course wrong scientifically, Reform are fantastic evidence in support of it.
    Evolution has always produced maladaptations and dead ends.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,661

    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.

    The SNP won’t improve the life of a Tory in the south of England? The total bastards!
    Independence would.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,646
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    I am loving these new F1 regulations, Verstappen moaning like a whore makes me so happy.

    Only SQ1, but Ferrari close to Mercedes too.
    If Ferrari aren't close here - the season is already finished..
    Race pace in Australia was much closer than qualifying, though. If Ferrari average a second row start but also taking the lead, and it's a long run here, then they're in with a shot. I agree the circuit seems to suit them more, overall.

    Russell just wants the start changing because Ferrari designed their engine better. Ferrari even pointed out the problem a year earlier and designed a smaller turbo for that reason. Nobody stopped other engine manufacturers doing the same.
    Mercedes have their own engine advantage.
    A bit self serving to try to negate that of their closest competitor.

    Russell is a very fine driver, but not easy to earn to.
    He enjoys sticking it to Verstappen, which is a point in his favour.
    From commentary (F1 Gamer) seems the Merc advantage and McLaren improvement is because both can maintain speed down the long straight, whereas Red Bull starts slowing from about halfway (Ferrari not as good as the first two but perhaps better than the last).

    Might mean if a Mercedes gets stuck behind a McLaren it could find it harder to pass. And, off the line, Ferrari are still in with a shout. Plus, if Bearman starts well that could push Verstappen out of the points positions, and I think the Red Bull's tyre wear could hurt it too.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,734

    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.

    The SNP won’t improve the life of a Tory in the south of England? The total bastards!
    And, for people like you, you'd continue voting SNP even if they slaughtered the firstborn, because it's an identity thing for you.

    You don't really give a shit about their effectiveness in governing the Scottish people or improving their daily lives.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,393
    OT 40 seconds of Alexander Armstrong PMQs sketch:-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cxRZG6OMHX8
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,818
    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,589

    Lib Dems / Liberals had held Aigburth for 46 years before losing it to the Greens yesterday. There can't be many wards they've held for longer.

    Where's @AugustusCarp2 when we need him?
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,906

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    I’m shocked at this, absolutely shocked !!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,589

    A good piece on Ukrainian drone-killers going to the Gulf:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okQlmZJkbBk

    I'm interested that it does not afaics mention the ones made in the UK.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,636
    edited 8:37AM
    If Reform get all the 27% who say that Reform are proud to be Scottish to vote for them, then that would be see them get about 5-10% more than they are currently polling in Scotland. The 27-30% in Wales who say Reform are proud to be Welsh or would stand up for Wales could also be enough to see Reform win most Senedd members.

    In both 2016 and 2021 the SNP did worse than the final Holyrood polls indicated, you have to go back to 2011 to find the last time they did better and Swinney is no Salmond and the SNP are not a fresh opposition party but nearly two decades in power
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,061

    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.

    The SNP won’t improve the life of a Tory in the south of England? The total bastards!
    And, for people like you, you'd continue voting SNP even if they slaughtered the firstborn, because it's an identity thing for you.

    You don't really give a shit about their effectiveness in governing the Scottish people or improving their daily lives.
    I've voted for a lot more different parties than you, chief.
    Scottish voters are so convinced that plu don't really give a shit about effectiveness in governing the Scottish people or improving their daily lives that your party hasn't won a general election of any stripe in Scotland for 70+ years.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,102
    edited 8:39AM

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    Which will further weaken the Lebanese state, making it even less likely that they'll be able to control Hezbollah - a policy the majority of the population probably favours.

    At least a million Lebanese are already displace by the latest raids. And several hundred dead.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,734
    HYUFD said:

    If Reform get all the 27% who say that Reform are proud to be Scottish to vote for them, then that would be see them get about 5-10% more than they are currently polling in Scotland. The 27-30% in Wales who say Reform are proud to be Welsh or would stand up for Wales could also be enough to see Reform win most Senedd members.

    In both 2016 and 2021 the SNP did worse than the final Holyrood polls indicated, you have to go back to 2011 to find the last time they did better and Swinney is no Salmond and the SNP are not a fresh opposition party but nearly two decades in power

    The overlap won't be perfect, and many Unionists won't be awfully bothered as they have more layered identities, but, yes, I don't see it as a big driver.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,388
    Taz said:

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    I’m shocked at this, absolutely shocked !!
    Netanyahu playbook.

    The genocidal cnut has no brake, no off buttom, its genicide of Arabs, full stop.

    He'll use the tired old "weeding out the terrorists" to carpet / blanket bomb anything that stands up. Just look at Gaza.

    They won't let anyone in and they wil quite happilly build a massive buffer zone around Israel.

    The time has to come when he is hunted down, taken out and until he is, Israel must be sanctioned and ostracised in the same way as Russia. He is no better than Putin, in many ways he is far worse than Putin.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,674
    edited 8:41AM

    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.

    The SNP won’t improve the life of a Tory in the south of England? The total bastards!
    And, for people like you, you'd continue voting SNP even if they slaughtered the firstborn, because it's an identity thing for you.

    You don't really give a shit about their effectiveness in governing the Scottish people or improving their daily lives.
    It's relative. All I have to do is check my student loan balance, or pick up a prescription, or drive down the A1 to the NE of England, to get a reminder. Or look at GDP figures which sees Scotland the strongest part of the UK outside the SE of England.

    The tax rate hurts but I'm unusual for earning enough for this to have a material effect on my finances. The same goes for LBTT, which is going to really piss me off in a couple of years time. But for most people, these aren't big issues - and any wonkish remarks about Barnett fall flat when you consider how much energy we export over the border (now on my 3rd SNP leaflet pointing this out).

    You don't have to be a nationalist fanatic to support the SNP. Most people aren't.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,128
    edited 8:43AM
    OK, nothing much new seems to be happening today, so here are some thoughts about what could happen longer term:

    - there's a referendum to rejoin the EU in the late 2030s. Yes wins convincingly but not overwhelmingly and the government makes such a mess of the negotiations that membership quickly becomes unpopular again
    - sometime in the second half of the century, our birthrate becomes so disastrous and is so immune to government meddling that the taboo against human cloning breaks down
    - the follies and disasters of the Trump years are so obvious even to most Americans that America becomes a fairly reliable partner again after he goes
    - Putin is succeeded by someone a bit less aggressive internationally, but just as corrupt internally. Russia stops menacing its neighbours but never reckons properly with its past
    - after Xi Jinping dies, the Chinese realise that become a developed country is impossible without economic liberalisation. The Communist Party try to keep the process under control and avoid political liberalisation but fail and are deposed. China becomes a civilised country like a bigger Taiwan or Singapore.
    - the AI "revolution" is not nearly all it's cracked up to be, especially in the jobs market. Some jobs are eliminated or simplified, but others become more complicated
    - understanding consciousness remains elusive for the next century at least.

    Of course these aren't projections, just things that could happen.
  • Government has accepted Fingleton Review in full. More of this please.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,636
    Battlebus said:

    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.

    The SNP won’t improve the life of a Tory in the south of England? The total bastards!
    Independence would.
    It wouldn't now really either, on the latest Nowcast the Tories are projected to win more MPs in Scotland than the entire North East and North West of England or Surrey and Kent combined

    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,622
    edited 8:47AM
    HYUFD said:

    If Reform get all the 27% who say that Reform are proud to be Scottish to vote for them, then that would be see them get about 5-10% more than they are currently polling in Scotland. The 27-30% in Wales who say Reform are proud to be Welsh or would stand up for Wales could also be enough to see Reform win most Senedd members.

    In both 2016 and 2021 the SNP did worse than the final Holyrood polls indicated, you have to go back to 2011 to find the last time they did better and Swinney is no Salmond and the SNP are not a fresh opposition party but nearly two decades in power

    Good morning

    What on earth have you had for breakfast

    Reform most Senedd members !!!!!!!!

    I would remind you their former leader is in jail for bribery to make pro -Russia statements in the European Parliament and that far right little englander Farage wants to abolish the Senedd

    As far as labour are concerned they are out of time and now caught up with the Chinese spying scandal

    Plaid will be the clear winner on the night and Reform will underperform, much as I expect in Scotland

    BBC News - First minister responds to China spy arrests as three named
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4553g7lr1o
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,061

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    She's generally supportive of Israel's various SMOs (I guess being held hostage and tortured by an arm of Hezbollah for 2+ years can do that to you), so perhaps a straw in the wind.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,996
    AnneJGP said:

    I've been pondering what word is the opposite of evolution. My selection is regression, but it interests me that it isn't devolution. (Not quite off topic.)

    Good morning, everybody.

    Revolution is an interesting one. I'm not sure of the etymology (big standard comp didn't teach me Greek or Latin!) but revolutionary change is kind of the opposite to evolutionary change. Although opposites can be tricky - both are change, the opposite would be reverse change, I guess, in the same way that dark is the absence of light, rather than the opposite
  • Fishing said:

    OK, nothing much new seems to be happening today, so here are some thoughts about what could happen longer term:

    - there's a referendum to rejoin the EU in the late 2030s. Yes wins convincingly but not overwhelmingly and the government makes such a mess of the negotiations that membership quickly becomes unpopular again
    - sometime in the second half of the century, our birthrate becomes so disastrous and is so immune to government meddling that the taboo against human cloning breaks down
    - the follies and disasters of the Trump years are so obvious even to most Americans that America becomes a fairly reliable partner again after he goes
    - Putin is succeeded by someone a bit less aggressive internationally, but just as corrupt internally. Russia stops menacing its neighbours but never reckons properly with its past
    - after Xi Jinping dies, the Chinese realise that become a developed country is impossible without economic liberalisation. The Communist Party try to keep the process under control and avoid political liberalisation but fail and are deposed. China becomes a civilised country like a bigger Taiwan or Singapore.
    - the AI "revolution" is not nearly all it's cracked up to be, especially in the jobs market. Some jobs are eliminated or simplified, but others become more complicated
    - understanding consciousness remains elusive for the next century at least.

    Of course these aren't projections, just things that could happen.

    You will be spot on about AI.

    Every week that passes and I am forced to use it again I’m convinced it’s useless slop.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,636
    edited 8:53AM

    HYUFD said:

    If Reform get all the 27% who say that Reform are proud to be Scottish to vote for them, then that would be see them get about 5-10% more than they are currently polling in Scotland. The 27-30% in Wales who say Reform are proud to be Welsh or would stand up for Wales could also be enough to see Reform win most Senedd members.

    In both 2016 and 2021 the SNP did worse than the final Holyrood polls indicated, you have to go back to 2011 to find the last time they did better and Swinney is no Salmond and the SNP are not a fresh opposition party but nearly two decades in power

    Good morning

    What on earth have you had for breakfast

    Reform most Senedd members !!!!!!!!

    I would remind you their former leader is in jail for bribery to make pro -Russia statements in the European Parliament and that far right little englander Farage wants to abolish the Senedd

    As far as labour are concerned they are out of time and now caught up with the Chinese spying scandal

    Plaid will be the clear winner on the night and Reform will underperform, much as I expect in Scotland

    BBC News - First minister responds to China spy arrests as three named
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4553g7lr1o
    Senedd elections are pure PR now so less need for tactical anti Reform voting than FPTP, latest Senedd poll has Reform still tied for the lead with Plaid on 26% each even if down on the last poll
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2029935209454420141?s=20
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,399
    Selebian said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I've been pondering what word is the opposite of evolution. My selection is regression, but it interests me that it isn't devolution. (Not quite off topic.)

    Good morning, everybody.

    Revolution is an interesting one. I'm not sure of the etymology (big standard comp didn't teach me Greek or Latin!) but revolutionary change is kind of the opposite to evolutionary change. Although opposites can be tricky - both are change, the opposite would be reverse change, I guess, in the same way that dark is the absence of light, rather than the opposite
    "Hence the name: movement. It moves a certain distance, then it stops, you see? A revolution gets its name by always coming back around in your face."
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,996
    Eabhal said:

    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.

    The SNP won’t improve the life of a Tory in the south of England? The total bastards!
    And, for people like you, you'd continue voting SNP even if they slaughtered the firstborn, because it's an identity thing for you.

    You don't really give a shit about their effectiveness in governing the Scottish people or improving their daily lives.
    It's relative. All I have to do is check my student loan balance, or pick up a prescription, or drive down the A1 to the NE of England, to get a reminder. Or look at GDP figures which sees Scotland the strongest part of the UK outside the SE of England.

    The tax rate hurts but I'm unusual for earning enough for this to have a material effect on my finances. The same goes for LBTT, which is going to really piss me off in a couple of years time. But for most people, these aren't big issues - and any wonkish remarks about Barnett fall flat when you consider how much energy we export over the border (now on my 3rd SNP leaflet pointing this out).

    You don't have to be a nationalist fanatic to support the SNP. Most people aren't.
    I worked with some SNP ministers in the mid 2010s (in the context of our research feeding into their health policy) and I have to say I was impressed compared to similar work with ministers in England. Only a few people involved in both cases so it's very much abecdote, but the SNP people seemed much more engaged and on top of the issues. May have been partly structural, with different structures to effect change in the two nations.

    The Scotland work was only ever compelling impact case study involving government involvement. The other clear one I had was UK and change happened through a professional body rather than government directly.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,986
    Unpopular said:

    DavidL said:

    Almost the only interesting thing that Sarwar has done was to suggest that Starmer should stand down as PM. Of course he did this ineptly and ineffectively having failed to check if anyone was going to follow his lead before he went over the top.

    When you compare the 2024 election with the last Holyrood election there is a massive swathe of constituency seats that should fall to Labour with a fairly uniform swing. Swinney has been awful as First Minister if not as catastrophic as his 2 predecessors largely because he avoids doing anything at all if he can possibly help it. He should be an easy target for a disgruntled electorate but it is not easy to see who is going to be firing the shot at the moment. Labour are in the Straits of Hormuz, Reform in Scotland make Reform in the rest of the UK look organised and professional, Alba probably won't even stand because they have run out of money and the Tories are coming off a remarkable high point for them and are likely to be slaughtered. And the Greens? Well, their period in government was apocalyptic.

    The SNP may be atrocious but there is the lack of a credible alternative.

    I actually think Sarwar would be an improvement on Swinney in office, but the unpopularity of Labour nationally and the awkwardness of his position he has taken with the national party are likely to prevent that. I agree it's probably the SNP by default.
    Barking
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,746
    This is kinda desperate and embarrassing for both countries.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2026/0313/1563169-ireland-uk-summit/

    On the one hand, Ireland is desperate for help with maritime security, and is going to Britain for that help, a country with a Navy that is so stretched that it had to rush a warship out of dry dock to defend its base on Cyprus, but Ireland's capabilities are so much less that help from Britain represents a lifeline.

    On the other hand, Britain's economy is in such a woeful state in terms of generating investment and attracting investment that they are delighted with investment of under a billion euro from Irish companies into Britain, that will generate fewer than a thousand new jobs. No word on British companies having the spare capital to invest in Ireland.

    The agreements are doubtless Good Things, but they are revealing of the major weaknesses of each country and the long-term failure of each country to deal with those weaknesses.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 957
    malcolmg said:

    Unpopular said:

    DavidL said:

    Almost the only interesting thing that Sarwar has done was to suggest that Starmer should stand down as PM. Of course he did this ineptly and ineffectively having failed to check if anyone was going to follow his lead before he went over the top.

    When you compare the 2024 election with the last Holyrood election there is a massive swathe of constituency seats that should fall to Labour with a fairly uniform swing. Swinney has been awful as First Minister if not as catastrophic as his 2 predecessors largely because he avoids doing anything at all if he can possibly help it. He should be an easy target for a disgruntled electorate but it is not easy to see who is going to be firing the shot at the moment. Labour are in the Straits of Hormuz, Reform in Scotland make Reform in the rest of the UK look organised and professional, Alba probably won't even stand because they have run out of money and the Tories are coming off a remarkable high point for them and are likely to be slaughtered. And the Greens? Well, their period in government was apocalyptic.

    The SNP may be atrocious but there is the lack of a credible alternative.

    I actually think Sarwar would be an improvement on Swinney in office, but the unpopularity of Labour nationally and the awkwardness of his position he has taken with the national party are likely to prevent that. I agree it's probably the SNP by default.
    Barking
    It's not a high bar, surely? I genuinely can't see how he would be materially worse.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,986
    Eabhal said:

    It depends how salient proud of being Scottish is v. standing up to SKS. Reform do fine on the latter.

    What's truly remarkable is how many still think the SNP will improve the lives of people like me, despite the fact they don't.

    The SNP won’t improve the life of a Tory in the south of England? The total bastards!
    And, for people like you, you'd continue voting SNP even if they slaughtered the firstborn, because it's an identity thing for you.

    You don't really give a shit about their effectiveness in governing the Scottish people or improving their daily lives.
    It's relative. All I have to do is check my student loan balance, or pick up a prescription, or drive down the A1 to the NE of England, to get a reminder. Or look at GDP figures which sees Scotland the strongest part of the UK outside the SE of England.

    The tax rate hurts but I'm unusual for earning enough for this to have a material effect on my finances. The same goes for LBTT, which is going to really piss me off in a couple of years time. But for most people, these aren't big issues - and any wonkish remarks about Barnett fall flat when you consider how much energy we export over the border (now on my 3rd SNP leaflet pointing this out).

    You don't have to be a nationalist fanatic to support the SNP. Most people aren't.
    They are so bitter and twisted about Scotland that they cannot even contemplate that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,567
    Dura_Ace said:

    No Labour losses in yesterday's by-elections!

    OK, we weren't defending any seats.

    However, we did lose two thirds of our vote share in a couple of wards, so no sign of an Iran bounce there.

    Whilst everyone is laughing at the Tories getting less tn 1% in Liverpool, nobody has commented on the rib-tickler of Labour getting 10%.

    In Liverpool.

    *Titter*
    It's because we only feel contempt for Labour not the pure elemental hatred that is the lot of the tories and all associated with them.
    Pure elemental hatred doesn't BEGIN to describe the way football fans think of Leeds United.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,734
    FWIW, the latest poll check projection for the local elections.

    I still don’t see Labour keeping its losses to one third of the seats it is defending, while losing half its vote share. And, I’d expect the Lib Dem’s to do better than a 12% vote share.

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,490

    Selebian said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I've been pondering what word is the opposite of evolution. My selection is regression, but it interests me that it isn't devolution. (Not quite off topic.)

    Good morning, everybody.

    Revolution is an interesting one. I'm not sure of the etymology (big standard comp didn't teach me Greek or Latin!) but revolutionary change is kind of the opposite to evolutionary change. Although opposites can be tricky - both are change, the opposite would be reverse change, I guess, in the same way that dark is the absence of light, rather than the opposite
    "Hence the name: movement. It moves a certain distance, then it stops, you see? A revolution gets its name by always coming back around in your face."
    Do I look like I need a psychological evaluation?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,962

    Government has accepted Fingleton Review in full. More of this please.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/overhaul-of-nuclear-system-to-speed-up-building-and-cut-costs
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,490

    Fishing said:

    OK, nothing much new seems to be happening today, so here are some thoughts about what could happen longer term:

    - there's a referendum to rejoin the EU in the late 2030s. Yes wins convincingly but not overwhelmingly and the government makes such a mess of the negotiations that membership quickly becomes unpopular again
    - sometime in the second half of the century, our birthrate becomes so disastrous and is so immune to government meddling that the taboo against human cloning breaks down
    - the follies and disasters of the Trump years are so obvious even to most Americans that America becomes a fairly reliable partner again after he goes
    - Putin is succeeded by someone a bit less aggressive internationally, but just as corrupt internally. Russia stops menacing its neighbours but never reckons properly with its past
    - after Xi Jinping dies, the Chinese realise that become a developed country is impossible without economic liberalisation. The Communist Party try to keep the process under control and avoid political liberalisation but fail and are deposed. China becomes a civilised country like a bigger Taiwan or Singapore.
    - the AI "revolution" is not nearly all it's cracked up to be, especially in the jobs market. Some jobs are eliminated or simplified, but others become more complicated
    - understanding consciousness remains elusive for the next century at least.

    Of course these aren't projections, just things that could happen.

    You will be spot on about AI.

    Every week that passes and I am forced to use it again I’m convinced it’s useless slop.
    You are using it for the wrong tasks - used correctly, it is an eager but slightly dim assistant who can do tons of work. That needs careful checking.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,783
    Unpopular said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I've been pondering what word is the opposite of evolution. My selection is regression, but it interests me that it isn't devolution. (Not quite off topic.)

    Good morning, everybody.

    Devolution is correct/acceptable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_(biology)
    Although the concept is of course wrong scientifically, Reform are fantastic evidence in support of it.
    IANAE or a biologist or a scientist. But the concept is interesting. From my external perch evolution looks both true and a tautology, in that at its heart is the simple analytic concept of the survival of survivors.

    Two things get in the way, SFAICS, of a broadly progressive view of evolution. The first is that what counts for survival may have little or no link with the capacity hold centre left politics, to work out general relativity or write sonnets or be a helpful and kind person; secondly that medically interfering with nature's tooth and claw processes, as we do - me included, that's why I lived to reproduce - would seem to work against the progress view.

    Biology and progress may well be at war. In the long run I am sure which one will win. Meanwhile, enjoy the trip.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,622
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Reform get all the 27% who say that Reform are proud to be Scottish to vote for them, then that would be see them get about 5-10% more than they are currently polling in Scotland. The 27-30% in Wales who say Reform are proud to be Welsh or would stand up for Wales could also be enough to see Reform win most Senedd members.

    In both 2016 and 2021 the SNP did worse than the final Holyrood polls indicated, you have to go back to 2011 to find the last time they did better and Swinney is no Salmond and the SNP are not a fresh opposition party but nearly two decades in power

    Good morning

    What on earth have you had for breakfast

    Reform most Senedd members !!!!!!!!

    I would remind you their former leader is in jail for bribery to make pro -Russia statements in the European Parliament and that far right little englander Farage wants to abolish the Senedd

    As far as labour are concerned they are out of time and now caught up with the Chinese spying scandal

    Plaid will be the clear winner on the night and Reform will underperform, much as I expect in Scotland

    BBC News - First minister responds to China spy arrests as three named
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4553g7lr1o
    Senedd elections are pure PR now so less need for tactical anti Reform voting than FPTP, latest Senedd poll has Reform still tied for the lead with Plaid on 26% each even if down on the last poll
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2029935209454420141?s=20
    Reform are cratering in that poll and the Welsh will not vote for a little englander wanting to abolish the Senedd
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,262
    Morning all :)

    As civilisation teeters on the brink (apparently), it's Gold Cup day at Cheltenham and more controversy yesterday.

    Today's pointless musings as follows:

    Triumph Hurdle: MAESTRO CONTI

    Mares Chase: DINOBLUE

    Albert Bartlett Novices Hurdle: KAZANSKY (each way)

    Gold Cup: THE JUKEBOX MAN
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,409
    edited 9:17AM

    Fishing said:

    OK, nothing much new seems to be happening today, so here are some thoughts about what could happen longer term:

    - there's a referendum to rejoin the EU in the late 2030s. Yes wins convincingly but not overwhelmingly and the government makes such a mess of the negotiations that membership quickly becomes unpopular again
    - sometime in the second half of the century, our birthrate becomes so disastrous and is so immune to government meddling that the taboo against human cloning breaks down
    - the follies and disasters of the Trump years are so obvious even to most Americans that America becomes a fairly reliable partner again after he goes
    - Putin is succeeded by someone a bit less aggressive internationally, but just as corrupt internally. Russia stops menacing its neighbours but never reckons properly with its past
    - after Xi Jinping dies, the Chinese realise that become a developed country is impossible without economic liberalisation. The Communist Party try to keep the process under control and avoid political liberalisation but fail and are deposed. China becomes a civilised country like a bigger Taiwan or Singapore.
    - the AI "revolution" is not nearly all it's cracked up to be, especially in the jobs market. Some jobs are eliminated or simplified, but others become more complicated
    - understanding consciousness remains elusive for the next century at least.

    Of course these aren't projections, just things that could happen.

    You will be spot on about AI.

    Every week that passes and I am forced to use it again I’m convinced it’s useless slop.
    You are using it for the wrong tasks - used correctly, it is an eager but slightly dim assistant who can do tons of work. That needs careful checking.
    The slightly dim assistant isn't even true now.

    In the past week based on a unique idea I had of how to solve a ML problem (which is the classic supervisor here's an idea to a PhD student) it has implemented a working solution, it has used Karpathy's autoresearch idea to optimse for a high quality machine learning architecture (that was significantly better than what would be prior standard), uncovered a novel way of doing something, set up all the tests and visualisations, written what could easily be turned into an academic paper on it and then it made slides for a 15 mins talk based upon the "paper".

    All working, demos, results, paper, slides. One week. That would take high quality PhD 6-12 months at least even if the supervisor gave them the outline of the solution.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,636

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Reform get all the 27% who say that Reform are proud to be Scottish to vote for them, then that would be see them get about 5-10% more than they are currently polling in Scotland. The 27-30% in Wales who say Reform are proud to be Welsh or would stand up for Wales could also be enough to see Reform win most Senedd members.

    In both 2016 and 2021 the SNP did worse than the final Holyrood polls indicated, you have to go back to 2011 to find the last time they did better and Swinney is no Salmond and the SNP are not a fresh opposition party but nearly two decades in power

    Good morning

    What on earth have you had for breakfast

    Reform most Senedd members !!!!!!!!

    I would remind you their former leader is in jail for bribery to make pro -Russia statements in the European Parliament and that far right little englander Farage wants to abolish the Senedd

    As far as labour are concerned they are out of time and now caught up with the Chinese spying scandal

    Plaid will be the clear winner on the night and Reform will underperform, much as I expect in Scotland

    BBC News - First minister responds to China spy arrests as three named
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4553g7lr1o
    Senedd elections are pure PR now so less need for tactical anti Reform voting than FPTP, latest Senedd poll has Reform still tied for the lead with Plaid on 26% each even if down on the last poll
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2029935209454420141?s=20
    Reform are cratering in that poll and the Welsh will not vote for a little englander wanting to abolish the Senedd
    Well over a quarter of them still are and Reform are still tied for the Senedd lead
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,783

    This is kinda desperate and embarrassing for both countries.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2026/0313/1563169-ireland-uk-summit/

    On the one hand, Ireland is desperate for help with maritime security, and is going to Britain for that help, a country with a Navy that is so stretched that it had to rush a warship out of dry dock to defend its base on Cyprus, but Ireland's capabilities are so much less that help from Britain represents a lifeline.

    On the other hand, Britain's economy is in such a woeful state in terms of generating investment and attracting investment that they are delighted with investment of under a billion euro from Irish companies into Britain, that will generate fewer than a thousand new jobs. No word on British companies having the spare capital to invest in Ireland.

    The agreements are doubtless Good Things, but they are revealing of the major weaknesses of each country and the long-term failure of each country to deal with those weaknesses.

    Matt put it in a nutshell a few days ago:

    https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/2029608254834159867
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,544
    malcolmg said:

    Sarwar has to be the worst labour regional office leader yet and that really really takes some doing

    In his position there was an honourable tradition of sitting down with a glass of scotch and a pistol and doing the decent thing.......

    If Sarwar did it he missed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,636
    edited 9:23AM
    Sean_F said:

    FWIW, the latest poll check projection for the local elections.

    I still don’t see Labour keeping its losses to one third of the seats it is defending, while losing half its vote share. And, I’d expect the Lib Dem’s to do better than a 12% vote share.

    https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026

    That projector should largely be ignored, it is too over optimistic for Labour, Britain Votes Now has Reform winning most council seats in May and is likely to be more accurate

    https://britain.votes.now/local-elections/may-26
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,268
    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/12/politics/hormuz-trump-administration-underestimated-iran

    Top Trump officials acknowledged to lawmakers during recent classified briefings that they did not plan for the possibility of Iran closing the strait in response to strikes, according to three sources familiar with the closed-door session.

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,061
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    I’m shocked at this, absolutely shocked !!
    Netanyahu playbook.

    The genocidal cnut has no brake, no off buttom, its genicide of Arabs, full stop.

    He'll use the tired old "weeding out the terrorists" to carpet / blanket bomb anything that stands up. Just look at Gaza.

    They won't let anyone in and they wil quite happilly build a massive buffer zone around Israel.

    The time has to come when he is hunted down, taken out and until he is, Israel must be sanctioned and ostracised in the same way as Russia. He is no better than Putin, in many ways he is far worse than Putin.
    "as bad as Pol Pot" . . . "far worse than Putin"

    Your moral compass is completely broken.

    The Cambodian genocide by Pol Pot, were skulls were literally piled high led to between 2 - 3 million deaths and a quarter to a third of the population wiped out.

    Putin invaded a free, democratic country that was neither threatening nor attacking Russia in a pure unadulterated war of aggression.

    Netanyahu's Israel has only fought against groups or countries that attacked Israel first.

    You may not like the way the wars are fought, that is reasonable. But to suggest that it is as bad as Pol Pot, or worse than Putin, says you are either being completely ignorant of what the latter two did or you have a very broken moral compass.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,567
    edited 9:26AM
    nico67 said:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/12/politics/hormuz-trump-administration-underestimated-iran

    Top Trump officials acknowledged to lawmakers during recent classified briefings that they did not plan for the possibility of Iran closing the strait in response to strikes, according to three sources familiar with the closed-door session.

    They really are educationally sub-normal.

    The meek shall inherit the Earth - buy not until those who are dumb as a brick have trashed it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,792
    SNP looking like a majority is possible. Which is a reflection of how shit the opposition is when you consider the growing mess they are making...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,206
    Reeves kills the economy once again
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,061
    nico67 said:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/12/politics/hormuz-trump-administration-underestimated-iran

    Top Trump officials acknowledged to lawmakers during recent classified briefings that they did not plan for the possibility of Iran closing the strait in response to strikes, according to three sources familiar with the closed-door session.

    What utter morons. 🤦‍♂️
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,490
    viewcode said:

    Government has accepted Fingleton Review in full. More of this please.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/overhaul-of-nuclear-system-to-speed-up-building-and-cut-costs
    There comes a point in Aerospace Inflation World, where something breaks.

    By Aerospace Inflation World, I mean the apparently never ending cycle of higher costs and less capability that embeds itself in various domains. Not just Aerospace. The name comes from the justification used - "High technology, you see. Very expensive. Can't reduce costs. Just have to live with it"

    Eventually the cycle breaks when the comedy gets too much. In space technology, i the US, the Future Imagery Architecture project collapsed under a weight of impossible specifications and lack of contractor skill - it was an attempt to build spy sats with increased capability but reduced size. Reduced size, because the existing large (for then) rockets were escaping in cost and the FIA project was targeting the smaller Delta II rocket.

    A disaster at the time, it led to a whole raft of assumptions about how space (and space launch) development should be done to be swept away.

    We have a similar issue with infrastructure in this country. We have got to the stage where major rail project are next to impossible - due to cost and time. We have reached something similar in house building - see the recent collapse in new starts in some areas.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,734

    nico67 said:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/12/politics/hormuz-trump-administration-underestimated-iran

    Top Trump officials acknowledged to lawmakers during recent classified briefings that they did not plan for the possibility of Iran closing the strait in response to strikes, according to three sources familiar with the closed-door session.

    They really are educationally sub-normal.

    The meek shall inherit the Earth - buy not until those who are dumb as a brick have trashed it.
    And, they would have been warned about it, by senior officers.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,544
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    As civilisation teeters on the brink (apparently), it's Gold Cup day at Cheltenham and more controversy yesterday.

    Today's pointless musings as follows:

    Triumph Hurdle: MAESTRO CONTI

    Mares Chase: DINOBLUE

    Albert Bartlett Novices Hurdle: KAZANSKY (each way)

    Gold Cup: THE JUKEBOX MAN

    'Arry's 'orse!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,567

    Reeves kills the economy once again

    Core skill.

    Her only one, mind.

    Still, looking good for my negative growth in the pb.com prediction competition.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,968
    edited 9:29AM
    The leader assumes that Scottish voters, especially Reform voters, regard "standing up for Scotland" as the key issue. That's not necessarily the case - e.g. I'm not primarily motivated by whether Labour stands up for Oxfordshire (where I live). I appreciate that many (most?) people feel differently, especially about "nations", but it's not necessarily foremost in their minds when they go to vote. I'd guess that people who say "Reform" in a poll are thinking about immigration etc., people who say "Green" are thinking about things like a wealth tax, etc....
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,262
    edited 9:29AM
    OIl prices off their overnight highs with Saudi apparently putting 2 million barrels (a drop) into supply via the Red Sea.

    WTI is currently at $95 with Brent around $100 per barrel. These are the kind of numbers which, if sustained, will push us (and a lot of other countries) into recession. Even strong performing economies will feel this kind of oil price "shock" if it continues for any length of time.

    There still seems plenty of confusion over Hormuz and oil production in the Gulf States and a degree of clarity would be welcome. The Iranians, if the morning coverage is to be believed, are still capable of strikes but on a limited scale.

    Last night's local council by-elections were again poor for both Labour and the Conservatives with both losing share - to be fair, the seven votes won by Labour in the Cotswolds were fractionally worse than the eight won by the Conservatives in Liverpool but both parties took a pounding in all the seats.

    Something for Reform, Greens and the LDs in last night's results and you could predict where the changes would be based on areas of known strength and weakness.

    I'm beginning to wonder how well the Greens will do in parts of Inner London in May - it will be fascinating to see the numbers of candidates they can put up in places like Lewisham. Last time, Labour won 55% and all 54 seats, the Greens got 20% and stood 44 candidates. I suspect a full slate of Green candidates this time and if they can get the big swings some of the local by-elections are suggesting, it could be a real shock for Labour.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,792
    In other news, a moment of clarity from my wife the other day, who reflected that politically we're pretty much Tories now. But could never admit it as would be ostracised and despised by friends and neighbours alike...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,567
    "They don't usually have funny stories in A&E."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ygj315dx7o
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,411

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    I’m shocked at this, absolutely shocked !!
    Netanyahu playbook.

    The genocidal cnut has no brake, no off buttom, its genicide of Arabs, full stop.

    He'll use the tired old "weeding out the terrorists" to carpet / blanket bomb anything that stands up. Just look at Gaza.

    They won't let anyone in and they wil quite happilly build a massive buffer zone around Israel.

    The time has to come when he is hunted down, taken out and until he is, Israel must be sanctioned and ostracised in the same way as Russia. He is no better than Putin, in many ways he is far worse than Putin.
    "as bad as Pol Pot" . . . "far worse than Putin"

    Your moral compass is completely broken.

    The Cambodian genocide by Pol Pot, were skulls were literally piled high led to between 2 - 3 million deaths and a quarter to a third of the population wiped out.

    Putin invaded a free, democratic country that was neither threatening nor attacking Russia in a pure unadulterated war of aggression.

    Netanyahu's Israel has only fought against groups or countries that attacked Israel first.

    You may not like the way the wars are fought, that is reasonable. But to suggest that it is as bad as Pol Pot, or worse than Putin, says you are either being completely ignorant of what the latter two did or you have a very broken moral compass.
    It's incredibly rare for you to say something about Israel's conduct that is fair and reasonable but you manage it here. It's not as bad as Pol Pot.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,567
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/12/politics/hormuz-trump-administration-underestimated-iran

    Top Trump officials acknowledged to lawmakers during recent classified briefings that they did not plan for the possibility of Iran closing the strait in response to strikes, according to three sources familiar with the closed-door session.

    They really are educationally sub-normal.

    The meek shall inherit the Earth - buy not until those who are dumb as a brick have trashed it.
    And, they would have been warned about it, by senior officers.
    Haven't they fired/forced the resignations of those senior officers?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,268
    edited 9:35AM
    Hegseth previously fired those who gave their assessment last year of the original “ mission accomplished “ regarding Irans nuclear capability.

    They were fired for not reporting what the Dear Leader wanted to hear .

    Also Politico reported Tuesday.

    According to them, the staff of the Pentagon department responsible for developing, analyzing, and implementing methods for protecting civilians in military operations, which previously had about 200 employees, has been reduced by 90 percent. And only one out of ten employees remains in a similar department of the US Central Command (CENTCOM).

    These units were supposed to investigate the circumstances of the recent attack on a girls' school in Iran.

    According to Politico, the aforesaid staff cuts made to these units have significantly reduced the US ability to protect civilians during the largest airstrike in decades.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,388

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    I’m shocked at this, absolutely shocked !!
    Netanyahu playbook.

    The genocidal cnut has no brake, no off buttom, its genicide of Arabs, full stop.

    He'll use the tired old "weeding out the terrorists" to carpet / blanket bomb anything that stands up. Just look at Gaza.

    They won't let anyone in and they wil quite happilly build a massive buffer zone around Israel.

    The time has to come when he is hunted down, taken out and until he is, Israel must be sanctioned and ostracised in the same way as Russia. He is no better than Putin, in many ways he is far worse than Putin.
    "as bad as Pol Pot" . . . "far worse than Putin"

    Your moral compass is completely broken.

    The Cambodian genocide by Pol Pot, were skulls were literally piled high led to between 2 - 3 million deaths and a quarter to a third of the population wiped out.

    Putin invaded a free, democratic country that was neither threatening nor attacking Russia in a pure unadulterated war of aggression.

    Netanyahu's Israel has only fought against groups or countries that attacked Israel first.

    You may not like the way the wars are fought, that is reasonable. But to suggest that it is as bad as Pol Pot, or worse than Putin, says you are either being completely ignorant of what the latter two did or you have a very broken moral compass.
    You are apologising for a mass murderer.

    No ifs no buts

    His sole aim is to kill anyone who he deems a threat, even if 99.8% are not threats.

    Until he is removed there will be no peace in the ME
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,968
    stodge said:

    OIl prices off their overnight highs with Saudi apparently putting 2 million barrels (a drop) into supply via the Red Sea.

    WTI is currently at $95 with Brent around $100 per barrel. These are the kind of numbers which, if sustained, will push us (and a lot of other countries) into recession. Even strong performing economies will feel this kind of oil price "shock" if it continues for any length of time.

    There still seems plenty of confusion over Hormuz and oil production in the Gulf States and a degree of clarity would be welcome. The Iranians, if the morning coverage is to be believed, are still capable of strikes but on a limited scale.

    Last night's local council by-elections were again poor for both Labour and the Conservatives with both losing share - to be fair, the seven votes won by Labour in the Cotswolds were fractionally worse than the eight won by the Conservatives in Liverpool but both parties took a pounding in all the seats.

    Something for Reform, Greens and the LDs in last night's results and you could predict where the changes would be based on areas of known strength and weakness.

    I'm beginning to wonder how well the Greens will do in parts of Inner London in May - it will be fascinating to see the numbers of candidates they can put up in places like Lewisham. Last time, Labour won 55% and all 54 seats, the Greens got 20% and stood 44 candidates. I suspect a full slate of Green candidates this time and if they can get the big swings some of the local by-elections are suggesting, it could be a real shock for Labour.

    Is there a single place where you can look up last night's results each week? I comb PB and sometimes give up...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,636
    edited 9:37AM

    SNP looking like a majority is possible. Which is a reflection of how shit the opposition is when you consider the growing mess they are making...

    SNP down 10% on constituency vote since 2021 and down 7% on regional list vote on latest poll and SNP did not even win a majority in 2021
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2026_Scottish_Parliament_election
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,567
    edited 9:40AM

    In other news, a moment of clarity from my wife the other day, who reflected that politically we're pretty much Tories now. But could never admit it as would be ostracised and despised by friends and neighbours alike...

    What you don't know is that these friends and neighbours already have their invites to the BabyBBQ.

    Welcome to the Dark Blue Side.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,061
    nico67 said:

    Hegseth previously fired those who gave their assessment last year of the original “ mission accomplished “ regarding Irans nuclear capability.

    They were fired for not reporting what the Dear Leader wanted to hear .

    Also Politico reported Tuesday.

    According to them, the staff of the Pentagon department responsible for developing, analyzing, and implementing methods for protecting civilians in military operations, which previously had about 200 employees, has been reduced by 90 percent. And only one out of ten employees remains in a similar department of the US Central Command (CENTCOM).

    These units were supposed to investigate the circumstances of the recent attack on a girls' school in Iran.

    According to Politico, the aforesaid staff cuts made to these units have significantly reduced the US ability to protect civilians during the largest airstrike in decades.

    America is led by morons.

    The mission won't be semi-accomplished until ground troops take the uranium, at the very least.

    The mission won't be fully accomplished until there is regime change, which will also probably need ground troops.

    That's not a reason to end the conflict, it is a reason to go much harder and do it properly. Which they're too frit to do. Incompetents.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,734

    stodge said:

    OIl prices off their overnight highs with Saudi apparently putting 2 million barrels (a drop) into supply via the Red Sea.

    WTI is currently at $95 with Brent around $100 per barrel. These are the kind of numbers which, if sustained, will push us (and a lot of other countries) into recession. Even strong performing economies will feel this kind of oil price "shock" if it continues for any length of time.

    There still seems plenty of confusion over Hormuz and oil production in the Gulf States and a degree of clarity would be welcome. The Iranians, if the morning coverage is to be believed, are still capable of strikes but on a limited scale.

    Last night's local council by-elections were again poor for both Labour and the Conservatives with both losing share - to be fair, the seven votes won by Labour in the Cotswolds were fractionally worse than the eight won by the Conservatives in Liverpool but both parties took a pounding in all the seats.

    Something for Reform, Greens and the LDs in last night's results and you could predict where the changes would be based on areas of known strength and weakness.

    I'm beginning to wonder how well the Greens will do in parts of Inner London in May - it will be fascinating to see the numbers of candidates they can put up in places like Lewisham. Last time, Labour won 55% and all 54 seats, the Greens got 20% and stood 44 candidates. I suspect a full slate of Green candidates this time and if they can get the big swings some of the local by-elections are suggesting, it could be a real shock for Labour.

    Is there a single place where you can look up last night's results each week? I comb PB and sometimes give up...
    https://vote-2012.proboards.com/board/3/local-elections
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,490

    stodge said:

    OIl prices off their overnight highs with Saudi apparently putting 2 million barrels (a drop) into supply via the Red Sea.

    WTI is currently at $95 with Brent around $100 per barrel. These are the kind of numbers which, if sustained, will push us (and a lot of other countries) into recession. Even strong performing economies will feel this kind of oil price "shock" if it continues for any length of time.

    There still seems plenty of confusion over Hormuz and oil production in the Gulf States and a degree of clarity would be welcome. The Iranians, if the morning coverage is to be believed, are still capable of strikes but on a limited scale.

    Last night's local council by-elections were again poor for both Labour and the Conservatives with both losing share - to be fair, the seven votes won by Labour in the Cotswolds were fractionally worse than the eight won by the Conservatives in Liverpool but both parties took a pounding in all the seats.

    Something for Reform, Greens and the LDs in last night's results and you could predict where the changes would be based on areas of known strength and weakness.

    I'm beginning to wonder how well the Greens will do in parts of Inner London in May - it will be fascinating to see the numbers of candidates they can put up in places like Lewisham. Last time, Labour won 55% and all 54 seats, the Greens got 20% and stood 44 candidates. I suspect a full slate of Green candidates this time and if they can get the big swings some of the local by-elections are suggesting, it could be a real shock for Labour.

    Is there a single place where you can look up last night's results each week? I comb PB and sometimes give up...
    There should be something in the quick links, really.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,262

    In other news, a moment of clarity from my wife the other day, who reflected that politically we're pretty much Tories now. But could never admit it as would be ostracised and despised by friends and neighbours alike...

    If someone could explain what being a Conservative (you can't say Tory, @HYUFD gets upset and he'll tell you Tory isn't the same as Conservative which it isn't) is these days, I'm probably about four or five iterations behind.

    There are aspects of what Cameron called "liberal conservatism" I was happy to support and Conservatives can be quite sound on environmental matters (or they were because the climate change deniers and the anti-Net Zero types took over).

    I was also happy with a lot of what Nick Hurd was proposing in terms of decentralisation but again that's all gone and we're back to the old "Westminster and Whitehall know best" top down centralisation beloved of the Thatcher/Major years.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,061
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    I’m shocked at this, absolutely shocked !!
    Netanyahu playbook.

    The genocidal cnut has no brake, no off buttom, its genicide of Arabs, full stop.

    He'll use the tired old "weeding out the terrorists" to carpet / blanket bomb anything that stands up. Just look at Gaza.

    They won't let anyone in and they wil quite happilly build a massive buffer zone around Israel.

    The time has to come when he is hunted down, taken out and until he is, Israel must be sanctioned and ostracised in the same way as Russia. He is no better than Putin, in many ways he is far worse than Putin.
    "as bad as Pol Pot" . . . "far worse than Putin"

    Your moral compass is completely broken.

    The Cambodian genocide by Pol Pot, were skulls were literally piled high led to between 2 - 3 million deaths and a quarter to a third of the population wiped out.

    Putin invaded a free, democratic country that was neither threatening nor attacking Russia in a pure unadulterated war of aggression.

    Netanyahu's Israel has only fought against groups or countries that attacked Israel first.

    You may not like the way the wars are fought, that is reasonable. But to suggest that it is as bad as Pol Pot, or worse than Putin, says you are either being completely ignorant of what the latter two did or you have a very broken moral compass.
    You are apologising for a mass murderer.

    No ifs no buts

    His sole aim is to kill anyone who he deems a threat, even if 99.8% are not threats.

    Until he is removed there will be no peace in the ME
    Killing threats is legitimate just war, so long as you are proportionate in doing so.

    Ukraine was never a threat to Russia, so there was absolutely no justification whatsoever for Russia to invade. Hamas and Hezbollah are threats to Israel as even you have to admit.

    There will be peace when there are no more threats.

    Regime change in Iran would go a long way to accomplishing that.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,783

    In other news, a moment of clarity from my wife the other day, who reflected that politically we're pretty much Tories now. But could never admit it as would be ostracised and despised by friends and neighbours alike...

    Politics is cultural as much as programme. Logic and consistency come last in the priorities. Which is why it creates and copes with so many contradictions. Hence the coalition of so many progressive LGBTQ types alongside movements that prefer to throw them off a cliff. Or the 'silent Tories' in the school staff room. Who Whom?

    Rural areas get this effortlessly. In our patch any committee faced with any proposal, however trivial, wants to know who proposes it well before it considers any actual merits.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,544
    OT. For those interested in the more technical side of Trump's war with Iran......and why it is not going according to plan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hCKv3HbTjA
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,734

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    Terrible, terrible development. Israel began striking Lebanese state infrastructure. This infrastructure is used not just by Hezbollah, but also by Lebanese civilians, most of whom oppose Hezbollah.

    Collective punishment is wrong; it also helps Hezbollah, which is more isolated than ever domestically in Lebanon, facing unprecedented popular fury even inside the Shia sect, for dragging Lebanon into war. Collectively punishing the Lebanese may push more of them toward supporting "resistance" in the face of indiscriminate aggression.


    https://x.com/LizHurra/status/2032347611487687055

    I’m shocked at this, absolutely shocked !!
    Netanyahu playbook.

    The genocidal cnut has no brake, no off buttom, its genicide of Arabs, full stop.

    He'll use the tired old "weeding out the terrorists" to carpet / blanket bomb anything that stands up. Just look at Gaza.

    They won't let anyone in and they wil quite happilly build a massive buffer zone around Israel.

    The time has to come when he is hunted down, taken out and until he is, Israel must be sanctioned and ostracised in the same way as Russia. He is no better than Putin, in many ways he is far worse than Putin.
    "as bad as Pol Pot" . . . "far worse than Putin"

    Your moral compass is completely broken.

    The Cambodian genocide by Pol Pot, were skulls were literally piled high led to between 2 - 3 million deaths and a quarter to a third of the population wiped out.

    Putin invaded a free, democratic country that was neither threatening nor attacking Russia in a pure unadulterated war of aggression.

    Netanyahu's Israel has only fought against groups or countries that attacked Israel first.

    You may not like the way the wars are fought, that is reasonable. But to suggest that it is as bad as Pol Pot, or worse than Putin, says you are either being completely ignorant of what the latter two did or you have a very broken moral compass.
    You are apologising for a mass murderer.

    No ifs no buts

    His sole aim is to kill anyone who he deems a threat, even if 99.8% are not threats.

    Until he is removed there will be no peace in the ME
    Killing threats is legitimate just war, so long as you are proportionate in doing so.

    Ukraine was never a threat to Russia, so there was absolutely no justification whatsoever for Russia to invade. Hamas and Hezbollah are threats to Israel as even you have to admit.

    There will be peace when there are no more threats.

    Regime change in Iran would go a long way to accomplishing that.
    The IDF shows a pretty reckless disregard for civilians.
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