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Meanwhile ….. On the Home Front – politicalbetting.com

– The government’s continued refusal to issue the necessary guidance following the Supreme Court’s judgment in the For Women Scotland case on women’s rights while at the same time declaring its adherence to international law to be “unbreakable“. How about some commitment to domestic law for a change?

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  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,523
    edited March 8
    1st.

    Ish.

    Thank-you for the header, @Cyclefree.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,378
    Paging TSE....

    The forthcoming foldable iPhone will be “Ultra” in the sense that it casts a shadow over the rest of the lineup, thanks to its roughly $2,000 price tag, massive inner screen and new technologies like in-display sensors. “Ultra” may be what Apple ultimately calls this device, though it also could use a more literal name
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,060
    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,666

    Paging TSE....

    The forthcoming foldable iPhone will be “Ultra” in the sense that it casts a shadow over the rest of the lineup, thanks to its roughly $2,000 price tag, massive inner screen and new technologies like in-display sensors. “Ultra” may be what Apple ultimately calls this device, though it also could use a more literal name

    They should call it the Fuckwit, to match their customer base.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,982
    edited March 8
    You know who else’s armed forces were benzedrined aff their nuts?

    Some Israeli pilots fly to Iran 3 times a day, Ynet reports. That’s more than 10,000 km a day!
    Intensity of Israeli airstrikes is 4 times higher than it was in 2025 war, senior officer says

    https://x.com/israelradar_com/status/2030214631671619686?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,416
    edited March 8
    Report from Suchomimus on the remarkable accuracy of the US strikes on various airport runways. Plus on the accuracy of Iranian strikes on a range of US/allied radar facilities, which have been drastically whacked.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox63eOD9Fxs
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,094
    edited March 8
    Thanks for another excellent and interestung thread header, @Cyclefree :)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,387
    Alba is deregisterimg and winding up as a party
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,766
    I am not up to date on the new trial/jury etc proposals but note this comment from Cyclefree:

    Had the government’s jury reforms been in force, Mr Coskun would have had no right of appeal.

    SFAICS Coskun had a right of appeal to the Crown Court (judge and lay magistrates) by way of complete rehearing, which of course has never been the case in jury trials, and was successful. Good.

    What I find hard to believe, even of a modern UK government, is that there could be trials in the future where there is no provision for an appeal on a point of law, procedure or on the point of whether the evidence taken as a whole amounted to the offence charged. Could Cyclefree clarify?

  • kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Correct.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,378
    The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says it has launched new "wide-scale strikes" on targets in Tehran and other parts of Iran.

    These latest attacks come about an hour after the IDF said it had hit the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' Space Force headquarters in Tehran, as well as 50 ammunition bunkers, in earlier strikes today.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,700
    I woukd never buy an apple phone again The first I bought was shite... never again. Android rules ok!

    Quite apart from the fact that the cost is ludicrous.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,387

    I woukd never buy an apple phone again The first I bought was shite... never again. Android rules ok!

    Quite apart from the fact that the cost is ludicrous.

    Apple are very very shit. Only goobers and freaks buy Apple
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,912

    I woukd never buy an apple phone again The first I bought was shite... never again. Android rules ok!

    Quite apart from the fact that the cost is ludicrous.

    Apple are very very shit. Only goobers and freaks buy Apple
    What are your thoughts on Radiohead and Hawaiian pizza?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,100
    https://x.com/antoguerrera/status/2030672220473737672

    Russia’s president Vladimir Putin was caught struggling to speak and coughing repeatedly in a footage by the Kremlin.

    The video was deleted 4 minutes after being posted in the Kremlin's Telegram channel.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,387
    edited March 8

    I woukd never buy an apple phone again The first I bought was shite... never again. Android rules ok!

    Quite apart from the fact that the cost is ludicrous.

    Apple are very very shit. Only goobers and freaks buy Apple
    What are your thoughts on Radiohead and Hawaiian pizza?
    The former were fine up until ca 1998, the latter is an abomination
    Mainly because pineapple is a c*** in fruit form
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,333
    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    By not updating and issuing guidelines to match the Supreme Court guidelines, the government has let a number of organisations “roll their own”.

    Most seem to be a demented swing to anti-trans, in the style we have seen all too often - a policy so extreme it’s unworkable, based alleged interpretation of law by ignorant arseholes.

    See policies that shut down house building in some areas, demented interpretations of H&S that have killed people etc etc.

    The duty of government is, in part to provide interpretations of the law for sub government functions/organisations. That, and changing the law.

    Staring at the ceiling a whistling off key, doesn’t count.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428
    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,997

    I woukd never buy an apple phone again The first I bought was shite... never again. Android rules ok!

    Quite apart from the fact that the cost is ludicrous.

    Apple are very very shit. Only goobers and freaks buy Apple
    What are your thoughts on Radiohead and Hawaiian pizza?
    The former were fine up until ca 1998, the latter is an abomination
    Mainly because pineapple is a c*** in fruit form
    I'm wondering what durian pizza would be like
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428

    I woukd never buy an apple phone again The first I bought was shite... never again. Android rules ok!

    Quite apart from the fact that the cost is ludicrous.

    I and most of my family have only ever had Samsung android phones
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,387

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,060
    edited March 8

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    To be honest I do not want to be drawn into the debate, not least because I am not really that knowledgeable on it but I defend anyone's right to discuss the subject
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,912

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,387

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    Not for the first time i may be wrong or i may be right
    May the road rise with me
  • isamisam Posts: 43,815
    I know that my enemy's enemy can sometimes be my friend, or at least my ally. But an all-consuming frenzied loathing of Keir Starmer seems to have destroyed the reason of quite a lot of people just now. Starmer is useless. But Trump is a global menace, ablaze and loose from his moorings.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/2030602149948788867?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,326
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    You are not on the right side of history however much you think you are.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,545
    edited March 8
    Probably best news of all for Reform. The few remaining Alba voters despise Labour, the SNP, the Greens, the LDs and the Tories but are still anti woke nationalists
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,912

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,003
    HYUFD said:

    Probably best news of all for Reform. The few remaining Alba voters despise Labour, the SNP, the Greens, the LDs and the Tories but are still nationalists
    Salmond wanted Scotland to leave the EU.

    *innocent face*
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,333
    isam said:

    I know that my enemy's enemy can sometimes be my friend, or at least my ally. But an all-consuming frenzied loathing of Keir Starmer seems to have destroyed the reason of quite a lot of people just now. Starmer is useless. But Trump is a global menace, ablaze and loose from his moorings.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/2030602149948788867?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I’d agree with that.

    Connecting to the header - the reason that many hate Starmer is that they were sold “competence”. Not issuing guidance on the trans judgement isn’t that.

    Either issue guidance or come up with a change in the law. Trying to govern by focus group and ignoring the issue is bad for everyone.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,084
    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Most things seem to be beyond you. Maybe you should educate yourself.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,333
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    Starmer subcontracts his moral judgement to the Supreme Court. Whatever they say is the law, is right.

    The thing that he is missing, is that the job he has, is to be the chief law maker in the UK.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,003

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    Probably.

    And Farage may have been saying stupid things too.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,545
    edited March 8

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Oh for goodness sake, visiting a nation where TWO of their heads of state, Clinton AND Trump openly socialised with and knew Epstein, who the King never met, if anything might make him look good by comparison.

    Democrats can hardly talk given the Clinton Epstein connection and after Anne Sacoolas Americans are in no position to ask any UK citizen to testify there on anything
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,537
    edited March 8
    On Crufts super-Sunday, it’s the flyball semi finals. First off, fast Cambrideshire flyball take on the Sharks, who have already knocked out last years winners Watson’s Legacy. The sharks run in blue.

    Neck and neck the first leg, a fault for the Cambs, first run, 1:0 to the Sharks

    Second run…the dogs are bursting to run…and the Sharks take it, and go through to the final! Beating the speed record setting Cambs team.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,084
    edited March 8
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    The case has been made many times. You are just unwilling to accept it no matter what the arguments. So in the end, since others - including the Supreme Court - have accepted the case and you still bury your head in the sand about it, the only remaining response is 'The law says' since clearly you are unwilling or unable to accept any form of reasoned debate and compromise.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,060

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    Starmer subcontracts his moral judgement to the Supreme Court. Whatever they say is the law, is right.

    The thing that he is missing, is that the job he has, is to be the chief law maker in the UK.
    100% agree. Many trans people / allies have received stock letters back from the Labour Party when complaining about recent events as "The law is the law" - the reply is: You are *literally* the legislature. Your job is to both make the law, and to change it.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428
    ydoethur said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    Probably.

    And Farage may have been saying stupid things too.
    The silence from Farage since this started is notable by his absence from the airwaves

    Long may it continue
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,100
    We're involved!

    https://x.com/antoguerrera/status/2030676350692884699

    NEW. UK forces successfully engaged a one-way attack drone fired from Iran towards Iraq last night. The engagement occurred as RAF Typhoons and F-35 jets continued to conduct defensive sorties across the region.

    A Merlin helicopter is due to arrive in theatre, further strengthening our ability to detect aerial threats. The aircraft can fly up to a mile in height, giving advance warning of incoming drones or missiles.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,060

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Most things seem to be beyond you. Maybe you should educate yourself.
    I do love a good libertarian who has no interest in civil liberties or human rights.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,387

    ydoethur said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    Probably.

    And Farage may have been saying stupid things too.
    The silence from Farage since this started is notable by his absence from the airwaves

    Long may it continue
    Jenrick and the F squad are picking up the slack. Shadow cabinet of all the talents
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,725

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Does the King do question-and-answer sessions at press conferences? Can't say I recall any.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,537
    edited March 8
    Next up, Crufts veterans (often finalists, never winners) Tails we Win take on the Junkyard Dogs, Junkyard in blue

    First run…Junkyard - the fastest team at this years earlier rounds - get an early lead, and comfortably take the first round

    Second run - a fault from Tails! Junkyard take it 2:0, Tails aren’t winning this year!

    So a cracking final is lined up between the Junkyard Dogs and the Sharks, after the obligatory verse of Sweet Caroline with audience participation
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Oh for goodness sake, visiting a nation where TWO of their heads of state, Clinton AND Trump openly socialised with and knew Epstein, who the King never met, if anything might make him look good by comparison.

    Democrats can hardly talk given the Clinton Epstein connection and after Anne Sacoolas Americans are in no position to ask any UK citizen to testify there on anything
    You just cannot accept anything that might embarrass Charles, but the reality is he would be seriously compromised over his brother's involvement

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,545

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Does the King do question-and-answer sessions at press conferences? Can't say I recall any.
    No and Trump would probably torture and jail any journalist who dares ask them about Epstein given he is also mentioned in the files
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,333
    edited March 8
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    Starmer subcontracts his moral judgement to the Supreme Court. Whatever they say is the law, is right.

    The thing that he is missing, is that the job he has, is to be the chief law maker in the UK.
    100% agree. Many trans people / allies have received stock letters back from the Labour Party when complaining about recent events as "The law is the law" - the reply is: You are *literally* the legislature. Your job is to both make the law, and to change it.
    Has anyone, from that point of view, written up a change in the law, to what they would like?

    The Supreme Court all but told people to do that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,545

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Oh for goodness sake, visiting a nation where TWO of their heads of state, Clinton AND Trump openly socialised with and knew Epstein, who the King never met, if anything might make him look good by comparison.

    Democrats can hardly talk given the Clinton Epstein connection and after Anne Sacoolas Americans are in no position to ask any UK citizen to testify there on anything
    You just cannot accept anything that might embarrass Charles, but the reality is he would be seriously compromised over his brother's involvement

    No he wouldn't, the only thing Andrew has been arrested for is leaking trade info to Epstein, an appointment Charles as Prince of Wales warned the then 2001 Labour government against appointing him to
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,319

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    The rhetoric was one way. Starmer had nothing to dial down.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,700
    IanB2 said:

    Next up, Crufts veterans (often finalists, never winners) Tails we Win take on the Junkyard Dogs, Junkyard in blue

    First run…

    Never buy a pure breed imho... bound to be inbreeding issues.. and heavy vet bills. Get a lovely rescue dog.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428
    edited March 8
    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Does the King do question-and-answer sessions at press conferences? Can't say I recall any.
    No and Trump would probably torture and jail any journalist who dares ask them about Epstein given he is also mentioned in the files
    Just read what you have posted - hysteria in spades
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,416

    ydoethur said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    Probably.

    And Farage may have been saying stupid things too.
    The silence from Farage since this started is notable by his absence from the airwaves

    Long may it continue
    I'd rather he was saying stuff that can be played back to him.

    And played back to the voters.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428
    kinabalu said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    The rhetoric was one way. Starmer had nothing to dial down.
    The temperature needed to be dialed down no matter which side provoked it
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,537
    edited March 8
    Here we go with the final… Junkyard in blue, the Sharks in red…

    First run…so close,,.Junkyard are ahead on the third leg,,,but the Sharks fourth dog is finishing strong! A photo finish? Officially declared a tie - hardly ever happens!

    The re-run, again Junkyard get a lead on the third leg, great changeovers, and this time the Sharks’ fourth dog can’t catch them. 1:0

    Second run…Junkyard run fast, and take it clean, 2:0 - the Junkyard dogs are this year’s champions!!!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,003

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    Starmer subcontracts his moral judgement to the Supreme Court. Whatever they say is the law, is right.

    The thing that he is missing, is that the job he has, is to be the chief law maker in the UK.
    100% agree. Many trans people / allies have received stock letters back from the Labour Party when complaining about recent events as "The law is the law" - the reply is: You are *literally* the legislature. Your job is to both make the law, and to change it.
    Has anyone, from that point of view, written up a change in the law, to what they would like?

    The Supreme Court all but told people to do that.
    Rwanda as a safe country?

    That's a wonderful case study for A-level politics when it comes to parliamentary sovereignty.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,319

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    Not for the first time i may be wrong or i may be right
    May the road rise with me
    Do you frequently find yourself energised by a general sense of anger? I get the sense that you do.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,333
    ydoethur said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    Starmer subcontracts his moral judgement to the Supreme Court. Whatever they say is the law, is right.

    The thing that he is missing, is that the job he has, is to be the chief law maker in the UK.
    100% agree. Many trans people / allies have received stock letters back from the Labour Party when complaining about recent events as "The law is the law" - the reply is: You are *literally* the legislature. Your job is to both make the law, and to change it.
    Has anyone, from that point of view, written up a change in the law, to what they would like?

    The Supreme Court all but told people to do that.
    Rwanda as a safe country?

    That's a wonderful case study for A-level politics when it comes to parliamentary sovereignty.
    Compared to some of the crazed shit that has happened in and around Parliament, saying that Rwanda is safe to live in barely registers.

    Consider that the DfE is administered and funded by Parliament…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,545

    HYUFD said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Does the King do question-and-answer sessions at press conferences? Can't say I recall any.
    No and Trump would probably torture and jail any journalist who dares ask them about Epstein given he is also mentioned in the files
    Just read what you have posted - hysteria in spades
    This is Trump we are talking about, we are long past the hysteria stage with him
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,081
    edited March 8
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    The law needs to be obeyed but the law can also be an ass, as the Supreme Court came close to conceding when it said, to the effect, our job is to interpret the law - if you don't like it, change the law.

    The government clearly has no intention of changing the law - a hornet's nest - but can't provide sensible guidance without changing the law, precisely because it is an ass

    On Government definition of islamophobia, I don't see a problem given it has the same for anti-Semitism. But maybe we don't need either?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,537
    edited March 8
    After enduring the obligatory interview from Claire Balding, the Junkyard Dogs go up to receive their prize. And do their lap of honour around the arena!

    And after all that excitement, Crufts takes a short break before we move on to the small/medium agility finals, the judging for the Gundog group, and then this year’s nail-biting final judging for best in show.

    Hard to believe that, after just few hours’ time, there’ll just this years World Cup Final to look forward to, before Crufts 2027 comes around again.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,333
    FF43 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    I would just say @Cyclefree is well respected and entitiled to publish on a subject she has views on, no matter how controversial

    You make a fair and interesting response, and so much better than trying to close down debate

    And I am sure we wish @Cyclefree all the best in her serious health battle
    It's just an extraordinary yawn, isn't it? "The law says this, therefore we must obey it..."

    For most of British history, homosexuality was illegal but slavery was legal - what is *the law* is not the same as what is right or in keeping with societal norms. And an argument that fails to engage with that - repeatedly - is just the boring Sunday afternoon repeat we've heard over and over on this site over and over. For heaven's sake, there are other TERF adjacent sites to publish such (let's say the line) vapid bilge on.

    If someone wants to make the case for stripping a bunch of people's rights from them which they have held since the 2004 GRA then make the case for it, morally. Don't just say "it's the law". That is not the locus of political debate.
    The law needs to be obeyed but the law can also be an ass, as the Supreme Court came close to conceding when it said, to the effect, our job is to interpret the law - of you don't like it, change the law.

    The government clearly has no intention of changing the law - a hornet's nest - but can't provide sensible guidance without changing the law, precisely because it is an ass

    On Government definition of islamophobia, I don't see a problem given it has the same for anti-Semitism. But maybe we don't need either?
    The problem is that various interests will be tugging on the matter.

    Remember the proposed law that would have (accidentally) meant publishing the truth about the Thing We Can’t Talk About Because Of @SeanT illegal?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,584
    Lindsay Graham: "We're going to blow the hell out of these people"


    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2030656129768796663


    Madness. Just sheer madness.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,387
    kinabalu said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    Not for the first time i may be wrong or i may be right
    May the road rise with me
    Do you frequently find yourself energised by a general sense of anger? I get the sense that you do.
    Very observant of you! Of course
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,060

    I'll say it again, if you disagree with Cyclefree's headers or indeed any other headers including mine. I am happy to publish threads by you that disagree with a header, send me a Vanilla message with your pieces.

    I'd be happy to contribute, but is PB really the best forum for it?

    Things that interest me: Digital ID, the Online "Safety" Act, trial by jury (as noted above) leasehold reform, income tax, UBI.

    I reply to Cyclefree's guff simply because nobody else on this forum bothers to point out that other views, and lived experiences, are available. It's not a topic I'd care to drone on about while literal drones are blowing up oil fields. It's almost like there are more important things going on.

    It genuinely mortifies me that my partner's mere existence was something to be debated or argued about. Something that Max the Fash and Richard "Libertarian" Tindall might pontificate on.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,303
    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    If you feel the need to create alternative bilge, I am sure the site will oblige you by publishing it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,982
    HYUFD said:

    Probably best news of all for Reform. The few remaining Alba voters despise Labour, the SNP, the Greens, the LDs and the Tories but are still anti woke nationalists
    Don’t think nationalism is particularly transferable, but rightwing reactionary is, and there were a few of them in Alba no doubt. Even more in the SCons mind.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,488
    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Maybe you should get better educated and listen to Cyclefree then?
    I assure you that marrying a trans woman was a better education - and a great deal more fun - than you will ever experience, my middle-of-nowhere-dwelling, suburbanite, car-obsessed, bootlicking chum. Don't you have a retail park to be driving to, or an illegal war to be justifying?
    Bravo! I didn't read the header but I agree with everything you've said about the piece of shit known as BartholomewRoberts
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,545

    HYUFD said:

    Probably best news of all for Reform. The few remaining Alba voters despise Labour, the SNP, the Greens, the LDs and the Tories but are still anti woke nationalists
    Don’t think nationalism is particularly transferable, but rightwing reactionary is, and there were a few of them in Alba no doubt. Even more in the SCons mind.
    Most in Alba see Ruth Davidson as a woke pro trans lesbian I expect, Alba were culturally Trumpite and Faragite on social issues
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,227

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Does the King do question-and-answer sessions at press conferences? Can't say I recall any.
    I agree.

    It would be an absolute minefield.

    In front of and behind the camera.

    In public and in private

    I also don't think anyone is safe in America right now. Too many utter nutters, too many guns.

    God forbid anything happened and Trump sought to blame the UK Government for not bending over backwards and it was some sort of reciprocal message.

    He is beyond crazy enough to pull any stunt.

    Furthermore I think British Royalty should avoid the World Cup.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,982

    Lindsay Graham: "We're going to blow the hell out of these people"


    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2030656129768796663


    Madness. Just sheer madness.

    Not Lady G the closeted chubster himself of course, as ever others will be projecting his warrior spirit for him.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,303

    HYUFD said:

    Probably best news of all for Reform. The few remaining Alba voters despise Labour, the SNP, the Greens, the LDs and the Tories but are still anti woke nationalists
    Don’t think nationalism is particularly transferable, but rightwing reactionary is, and there were a few of them in Alba no doubt. Even more in the SCons mind.
    That really depends on whether it is nationalism, or a believe that the Westminster system has failed Scotland. The latter is transferable.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,003

    Lindsay Graham: "We're going to blow the hell out of these people"


    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2030656129768796663


    Madness. Just sheer madness.

    Not Lady G the closeted chubster himself of course, as ever others will be projecting his warrior spirit for him.
    Er...sorry? Is Lindsey Graham LadyG? Yet another persona of SeanT?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,537
    edited March 8
    And a great run from Moose the collie setting a clear round in 38.4 seconds in the agility finals
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,319
    edited March 8
    MaxPB said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Most things seem to be beyond you. Maybe you should educate yourself.
    I do love a good libertarian who has no interest in civil liberties or human rights.
    It is because of my interest in civil liberties and human rights that I agree with Cyclefree and the Supreme Court judgement. As someone has already said it is you who are on the wrong side of history and who wants to take away rights from women.
    Indeed. As ever the rights of individuals stop at the point when they impinge on the rights of other individuals. We have XX and XY. That's biology. The right of women to not have their spaces invaded by biological XY men overrides any individual rights of that XY man.

    Happily it does seem that the worm has turned, the lawsuits are starting and the doctors that mutilated children and performed these operations on them are being held accountable for profiteering from kids being a bit confused during puberty.

    The support for the men in dresses has collapsed everywhere. Even among liberal Americans it's just fallen through the floor which does explain why the supporters are becoming increasingly shrill and angry.
    There's no global collapse of support for the societal inclusion of this particular minority group of people. Gender change and recognition practices in many countries (including several in Europe) are less restrictive than here. That was true before the SC judgement and is even more true after it. We're an outlier in making such a meal of the issue.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,428
    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Does the King do question-and-answer sessions at press conferences? Can't say I recall any.
    I agree.

    It would be an absolute minefield.

    In front of and behind the camera.

    In public and in private

    I also don't think anyone is safe in America right now. Too many utter nutters, too many guns.

    God forbid anything happened and Trump sought to blame the UK Government for not bending over backwards and it was some sort of reciprocal message.

    He is beyond crazy enough to pull any stunt.

    Furthermore I think British Royalty should avoid the World Cup.
    I think they would be wise to avoid the US altogther along with many others

    We have been there many times but even if we could travel, not anymore
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,841
    kyf_100 said:

    I'll say it again, if you disagree with Cyclefree's headers or indeed any other headers including mine. I am happy to publish threads by you that disagree with a header, send me a Vanilla message with your pieces.

    I'd be happy to contribute, but is PB really the best forum for it?

    Things that interest me: Digital ID, the Online "Safety" Act, trial by jury (as noted above) leasehold reform, income tax, UBI.

    I reply to Cyclefree's guff simply because nobody else on this forum bothers to point out that other views, and lived experiences, are available. It's not a topic I'd care to drone on about while literal drones are blowing up oil fields. It's almost like there are more important things going on.

    It genuinely mortifies me that my partner's mere existence was something to be debated or argued about. Something that Max the Fash and Richard "Libertarian" Tindall might pontificate on.
    I occasionally pipe up, if only to remind people that polling continues to show significantly more support for trans people by females than by males, and that public opinion on the issue is far more nuanced and less ideological than social media would imply.

    But it’s a toxic debate, as are all debates about identity and competing rights.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,537
    edited March 8
    Crazy the Collie, a veteran 10-y-o in his last Crufts appearance, runs clear on 37.5 seconds to take the lead!!

    But immediately beaten by Sara running Trend, finishing clear on 36.1

    Next up, Phoebe, bronze medalist at last year’s world championship in Sweden, running fast and clear, but faults on the dog walk, jumping before the touch zone, five faults.

    Last up, Crufts veteran Banana, last years winner, running fast…Banana runs clear and wins on 35.6 - a stunning run, and a deserved win. Banana rules supreme!

    Next up, the large dogs agility finals….
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,466
    MaxPB said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Why PB feels the need to publish TERF bilge is byeond me.

    Most things seem to be beyond you. Maybe you should educate yourself.
    I do love a good libertarian who has no interest in civil liberties or human rights.
    It is because of my interest in civil liberties and human rights that I agree with Cyclefree and the Supreme Court judgement. As someone has already said it is you who are on the wrong side of history and who wants to take away rights from women.
    Indeed. As ever the rights of individuals stop at the point when they impinge on the rights of other individuals. We have XX and XY. That's biology. The right of women to not have their spaces invaded by biological XY men overrides any individual rights of that XY man.

    Happily it does seem that the worm has turned, the lawsuits are starting and the doctors that mutilated children and performed these operations on them are being held accountable for profiteering from kids being a bit confused during puberty.

    The support for the men in dresses has collapsed everywhere. Even among liberal Americans it's just fallen through the floor which does explain why the supporters are becoming increasingly shrill and angry.
    That's not quite true: there are plenty of people (0.2-0.3%) who have things like Klinefelter syndrome (XXY), and the like.

    It also raises an interesting question: how would you feel if you found out that there was a genetic sequence that people who identified as trans typically had, and those who did not, didn't?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,841
    edited March 8

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Does the King do question-and-answer sessions at press conferences? Can't say I recall any.
    I agree.

    It would be an absolute minefield.

    In front of and behind the camera.

    In public and in private

    I also don't think anyone is safe in America right now. Too many utter nutters, too many guns.

    God forbid anything happened and Trump sought to blame the UK Government for not bending over backwards and it was some sort of reciprocal message.

    He is beyond crazy enough to pull any stunt.

    Furthermore I think British Royalty should avoid the World Cup.
    I think they would be wise to avoid the US altogther along with many others

    We have been there many times but even if we could travel, not anymore
    I was there last week with work. And will be back in a couple of months. It’s fine for business visitors. A small frisson of fear at immigration these days, but I know I’m not the target demographic.

    As noted a few days ago, opinion over there on the Iran escapade seems to be universally negative across the spectrum. Never seen my US colleagues from left and right so united.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,537
    edited March 8
    Banter, the first of the large dogs, runs clear on 36.0, setting the standard for this large dog final

    So the dogs that follow have to push..the next dog runs straight into five faults

    Next dog, beats the time, but ten faults,

    Fourth dog, from Poland…a great run but still five faults
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,700
    I do hope Trump told Starmer where to go.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,584
    Michael McFaul: "I can think of no successful case of democratic regime change in which the United States only bombed for a few weeks."

    https://x.com/McFaul/status/2030688218405097630
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,529
    edited March 8
    I found it funny that Kenny MacAskill sent out a message to the Alba members saying the party was so on its deathbed that it wasn't going to be able to stand members in the upcoming election and then was baffled that what was left of the membership decided to quit and/or stop paying any fees given that the political party could no longer function as a political party, thus ensuring that the party that he'd said was dead then died. Even though he blamed it on a bunch of other randomers who tried to take over the party to stop it dying.

    Bonkers.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,813
    MelonB said:

    kyf_100 said:

    I'll say it again, if you disagree with Cyclefree's headers or indeed any other headers including mine. I am happy to publish threads by you that disagree with a header, send me a Vanilla message with your pieces.

    I'd be happy to contribute, but is PB really the best forum for it?

    Things that interest me: Digital ID, the Online "Safety" Act, trial by jury (as noted above) leasehold reform, income tax, UBI.

    I reply to Cyclefree's guff simply because nobody else on this forum bothers to point out that other views, and lived experiences, are available. It's not a topic I'd care to drone on about while literal drones are blowing up oil fields. It's almost like there are more important things going on.

    It genuinely mortifies me that my partner's mere existence was something to be debated or argued about. Something that Max the Fash and Richard "Libertarian" Tindall might pontificate on.
    I occasionally pipe up, if only to remind people that polling continues to show significantly more support for trans people by females than by males, and that public opinion on the issue is far more nuanced and less ideological than social media would imply.

    But it’s a toxic debate, as are all debates about identity and competing rights.
    Furthermore, I suspect that there's a bit of a category confusion here.

    Law and politics are pretty good at regulating questions of "thou shalt" and "thou shalt not". They are much less able to regulate "thou art" questions like this. There's no trans-friendly law that can, or should, stop gender criticals criticising the idea of gender. And there's no trans-unfriendly law that can stop trans people having the self-understanding they have of who they are. And somewhere in the space between those two points is where we all have to live together.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,488
    Well done Kyf. A couple of posts from then heart. Worth all of the anodyne rubbish put together. I would like to try to answer your first question but I have no answer. Some people like the subject and want to be prescriptive is the best I can do. I hope you weren't too offended.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,584
    MelonB said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward

    Sensible to dial down the rhetoric

    He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support'
    Our humiliation is almost complere
    Not at all. Unless Starmer does capitulate, in which case you would have a point. For the moment at least you don't.
    20 minute phone call with Starmer who expressed sympathy for US loses

    Will speak again apparently

    Ed Davey calls for Charles visit to US to be cancelled
    Fair from Starmer. Also fair from Davey.

    I wonder if some nasty s**tstirring tw@t has been poisoning the well over dinner at Mar a Lago?
    I do not think Charles should go, as he will be exposed to the US media asking him what he knew of AMW and the Epstein scandal

    It will or would dominate US airways with the Democrats demanding AMW testifies in US

    It will or would be very embarrassing
    Does the King do question-and-answer sessions at press conferences? Can't say I recall any.
    I agree.

    It would be an absolute minefield.

    In front of and behind the camera.

    In public and in private

    I also don't think anyone is safe in America right now. Too many utter nutters, too many guns.

    God forbid anything happened and Trump sought to blame the UK Government for not bending over backwards and it was some sort of reciprocal message.

    He is beyond crazy enough to pull any stunt.

    Furthermore I think British Royalty should avoid the World Cup.
    I think they would be wise to avoid the US altogther along with many others

    We have been there many times but even if we could travel, not anymore
    I was there last week with work. And will be back in a couple of months. It’s fine for business visitors. A small frisson of fear at immigration these days, but I know I’m not the target demographic.

    As noted a few days ago, opinion over there on the Iran escapade seems to be universally negative across the spectrum. Never seen my US colleagues from left and right so united.
    Almost as if Trump doesn't care he will lose the mid-terms.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,523
    Perun out.

    Guess what it is about?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP_rr859r8w
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,308

    HYUFD said:

    Probably best news of all for Reform. The few remaining Alba voters despise Labour, the SNP, the Greens, the LDs and the Tories but are still anti woke nationalists
    Don’t think nationalism is particularly transferable, but rightwing reactionary is, and there were a few of them in Alba no doubt. Even more in the SCons mind.
    See also Aontu on the Emerald Isle.
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