The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.
I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
I know the only thing some on here would like more than Starmer leaving is the collapse of the Labour Government and a General Election.
The only reason to change a leader is if you know any replacement would improve your prospects so the question then becomes whether Starmer is simply the focus of the anti-Government vitriol as Prime Minister or whether it's a personal thing rather like the goat sent into the wilderness carrying the sins of the party or the leader.
Despite the usual comments from the usual suspects, there are a number of possible leaders on the Government frontbench but the suspicion is whatever honeymoon they might enjoy would be very short and they would soon be attracting the same contempt as Starmer.
For some, there's no leader of the Labour party who works - simply because they are anti-Labour - the same is true for the Conservatives for whom one poster has a clear dislike. The same would be true of any party in Government which is why No.10 should come with a revolving door. The irony is the point at which a Prime Minister is most effective in terms of understanding the job and what it entails is often the very point they are forced out (Liz Truss excepted of course).
Given enhanced electoral volatility, the idea of a "quick fix" to resolve electoral difficulty is tempting and especially for Labour backbenchers with small majorities but there's no guarantee the situation would improve for any more than a few weeks or perhaps months.
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
A score draw then, after accounting for bias
Certainly if you put @Brixian59 and @ozymandias analysis together, that's where you would be heading.
Just being him. What has this country has ever done to deserve such a shit-stain as we currently have as a leader. Over 60% didn’t even vote for the fucker or his reprehensible party and yet he continues, alongside his merry band of krypto-trots, to destroy whatever this country was.
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
A score draw then, after accounting for bias
Certainly if you put @Brixian59 and @ozymandias analysis together, that's where you would be heading.
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
A score draw then, after accounting for bias
Certainly if you put @Brixian59 and @ozymandias analysis together, that's where you would be heading.
Just trying to bring balance to the Force to counteract our little campaigner.
If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.
I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
I know the only thing some on here would like more than Starmer leaving is the collapse of the Labour Government and a General Election.
The only reason to change a leader is if you know any replacement would improve your prospects so the question then becomes whether Starmer is simply the focus of the anti-Government vitriol as Prime Minister or whether it's a personal thing rather like the goat sent into the wilderness carrying the sins of the party or the leader.
Despite the usual comments from the usual suspects, there are a number of possible leaders on the Government frontbench but the suspicion is whatever honeymoon they might enjoy would be very short and they would soon be attracting the same contempt as Starmer.
For some, there's no leader of the Labour party who works - simply because they are anti-Labour - the same is true for the Conservatives for whom one poster has a clear dislike. The same would be true of any party in Government which is why No.10 should come with a revolving door. The irony is the point at which a Prime Minister is most effective in terms of understanding the job and what it entails is often the very point they are forced out (Liz Truss excepted of course).
Given enhanced electoral volatility, the idea of a "quick fix" to resolve electoral difficulty is tempting and especially for Labour backbenchers with small majorities but there's no guarantee the situation would improve for any more than a few weeks or perhaps months.
The difference with the Labour voter is not that he skags off all Tories for being Tories.
Everything else you say I agree with.
For the record, I think that the Tories would win a GE with Mordaunt as leader and get 40 seats more with Cleverly than Badenoch.
Her Pmq performance today possibly the final nail in her political coffin. She cannot keep her temper under pressure.
She'd wilt and be an absolute car crash in a 6 week GE campaign
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
A score draw then, after accounting for bias
Certainly if you put @Brixian59 and @ozymandias analysis together, that's where you would be heading.
Just trying to bring balance to the Force to counteract our little campaigner.
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
Utterly predictable and you are not contributing to debate when you repetitively post such partisan clap trap
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
A score draw then, after accounting for bias
Watch it and come back
Is that what Starmer says to his Ukrainian friends?
Israeli Air Force chief Maj. Gen. Tomer Bar in a missive to soldiers says "the troops of the air force’s special units are currently carrying out extraordinary missions that can spark one's imagination."
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
Utterly predictable and you are not contributing to debate when you repetitively post such partisan clap trap
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
Utterly predictable and you are not contributing to debate when you repetitively post such partisan clap trap
Irrational hate sadly
Read the sensible reviews
You’ve been lauding Starmer’s heroism; how could you recognise a sensible review?
If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.
I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
I know the only thing some on here would like more than Starmer leaving is the collapse of the Labour Government and a General Election.
The only reason to change a leader is if you know any replacement would improve your prospects so the question then becomes whether Starmer is simply the focus of the anti-Government vitriol as Prime Minister or whether it's a personal thing rather like the goat sent into the wilderness carrying the sins of the party or the leader.
Despite the usual comments from the usual suspects, there are a number of possible leaders on the Government frontbench but the suspicion is whatever honeymoon they might enjoy would be very short and they would soon be attracting the same contempt as Starmer.
For some, there's no leader of the Labour party who works - simply because they are anti-Labour - the same is true for the Conservatives for whom one poster has a clear dislike. The same would be true of any party in Government which is why No.10 should come with a revolving door. The irony is the point at which a Prime Minister is most effective in terms of understanding the job and what it entails is often the very point they are forced out (Liz Truss excepted of course).
Given enhanced electoral volatility, the idea of a "quick fix" to resolve electoral difficulty is tempting and especially for Labour backbenchers with small majorities but there's no guarantee the situation would improve for any more than a few weeks or perhaps months.
The difference with the Labour voter is not that he skags off all Tories for being Tories.
Everything else you say I agree with.
For the record, I think that the Tories would win a GE with Mordaunt as leader and get 40 seats more with Cleverly than Badenoch.
Her Pmq performance today possibly the final nail in her political coffin. She cannot keep her temper under pressure.
She'd wilt and be an absolute car crash in a 6 week GE campaign
'Her Pmq performance today possibly the final nail in her political coffin. She cannot keep her temper under pressure.
She'd wilt and be an absolute car crash in a 6 week GE campaig'n
Irrational hatred again
Try to be more original, and actually make a contribution otherwise you will become a poster that fellow posters will just scroll by and ignore you
If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.
I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
I know the only thing some on here would like more than Starmer leaving is the collapse of the Labour Government and a General Election.
The only reason to change a leader is if you know any replacement would improve your prospects so the question then becomes whether Starmer is simply the focus of the anti-Government vitriol as Prime Minister or whether it's a personal thing rather like the goat sent into the wilderness carrying the sins of the party or the leader.
Despite the usual comments from the usual suspects, there are a number of possible leaders on the Government frontbench but the suspicion is whatever honeymoon they might enjoy would be very short and they would soon be attracting the same contempt as Starmer.
For some, there's no leader of the Labour party who works - simply because they are anti-Labour - the same is true for the Conservatives for whom one poster has a clear dislike. The same would be true of any party in Government which is why No.10 should come with a revolving door. The irony is the point at which a Prime Minister is most effective in terms of understanding the job and what it entails is often the very point they are forced out (Liz Truss excepted of course).
Given enhanced electoral volatility, the idea of a "quick fix" to resolve electoral difficulty is tempting and especially for Labour backbenchers with small majorities but there's no guarantee the situation would improve for any more than a few weeks or perhaps months.
The difference with the Labour voter is not that he skags off all Tories for being Tories.
Everything else you say I agree with.
For the record, I think that the Tories would win a GE with Mordaunt as leader and get 40 seats more with Cleverly than Badenoch.
Her Pmq performance today possibly the final nail in her political coffin. She cannot keep her temper under pressure.
She'd wilt and be an absolute car crash in a 6 week GE campaign
You really are making this site unreadable. Spamming all day and night with one-track posts which are largely wrong and utterly boring. You might think it’s funny, or will sway people to view politics through your eyes but it’s really just making your position seem like one to steer well clear of. Really pleased you joined.
Rayner as PM, Ed as Deputy and retains Environment.
Darren Jones as Chancellor, Cooper, Mahmood and Phillipson retain roles.
Lammy to Lords as AG and Leader of Lords, Rachel to Lords too.
Jones keeps bond markets gappy
Healy Mcfadden retain jobs.
Strategically sensible as it might be, I can’t see Labour accepting a LibDem into its top team like that, even supposing he’d be up for it, which he wouldn’t.
In any sensible universe, Labour would have electoral reform at the top of its in-tray.
Cyprus High Commissioner Kyriacos Kouros sounding furious about the lack of British action to defend RAF Akrotiri, telling @skynews: 'Greek forces are present on the island, the French are coming - the least we expect is the British are present'
The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.
The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.
Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
6 0 starmer today
She didn't deserve 0
Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.
Made
Truss Corbyn IDS
Look decent
Why the fuck do you post like a viddy printer. That’s barely half a sentence not SEVEN paragraphs. You’ll trigger the spam trap that deposits you in the PB toilets.
Cyprus High Commissioner Kyriacos Kouros sounding furious about the lack of British action to defend RAF Akrotiri, telling @skynews: 'Greek forces are present on the island, the French are coming - the least we expect is the British are present'
If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.
I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
I know the only thing some on here would like more than Starmer leaving is the collapse of the Labour Government and a General Election.
The only reason to change a leader is if you know any replacement would improve your prospects so the question then becomes whether Starmer is simply the focus of the anti-Government vitriol as Prime Minister or whether it's a personal thing rather like the goat sent into the wilderness carrying the sins of the party or the leader.
Despite the usual comments from the usual suspects, there are a number of possible leaders on the Government frontbench but the suspicion is whatever honeymoon they might enjoy would be very short and they would soon be attracting the same contempt as Starmer.
For some, there's no leader of the Labour party who works - simply because they are anti-Labour - the same is true for the Conservatives for whom one poster has a clear dislike. The same would be true of any party in Government which is why No.10 should come with a revolving door. The irony is the point at which a Prime Minister is most effective in terms of understanding the job and what it entails is often the very point they are forced out (Liz Truss excepted of course).
Given enhanced electoral volatility, the idea of a "quick fix" to resolve electoral difficulty is tempting and especially for Labour backbenchers with small majorities but there's no guarantee the situation would improve for any more than a few weeks or perhaps months.
The difference with the Labour voter is not that he skags off all Tories for being Tories.
Everything else you say I agree with.
For the record, I think that the Tories would win a GE with Mordaunt as leader and get 40 seats more with Cleverly than Badenoch.
Her Pmq performance today possibly the final nail in her political coffin. She cannot keep her temper under pressure.
She'd wilt and be an absolute car crash in a 6 week GE campaign
You really are making this site unreadable. Spamming all day and night with one-track posts which are largely wrong and utterly boring. You might think it’s funny, or will sway people to view politics through your eyes but it’s really just making your position seem like one to steer well clear of. Really pleased you joined.
Frankly it has been apparent for some time that he has a real problem, especially with Kemi and bombing Tel Aviv, it is at the point many posters will just ignore and scroll past
We all argue and debate, but rarely if ever have can I recall a poster with such an irrational hatred of one politician
The entirety of the Iraq power grid is down As is 2/3 of Cubas........
And a loss of power tonight in parts of Peterborough and Dunstable. The US is clearly casting its net wide in striking back against both foes and unreliable allies.
Hegseth reportedly claiming that the torpedoing of the Iranian destroyer is the first such act since WW2. The Argentinians might want to correct him.
“ The first sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World War Two. Like in that war, back when we were still the War Department. We are fighting to win."
So just to be clear the Reform Labour defectors were a total nothing bunch of non-entities in the end.
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
Reform are becoming a joke. They have been barreling along in campaign mode for 12 months and they are running out of steam fast
It would be marvellous if their bubble burst by May and all those Tory carpetbaggers solely interested in holding on to their councillor and assembly positions by jumping to Reform got their comeuppance. Sadly I suspect Reform’s balloon will take a little longer to deflate than that, meanwhile, my betting tip is to keep on laying Reform most seats and Farage as next PM.
Cyprus High Commissioner Kyriacos Kouros sounding furious about the lack of British action to defend RAF Akrotiri, telling @skynews: 'Greek forces are present on the island, the French are coming - the least we expect is the British are present'
We may be present but we are not involved.
There’s a phrase.
Presumably we are present, we have two bases. Seems strange that the naval presence is based at Portsmouth which is not currently under attack from Iran.
Cyprus High Commissioner Kyriacos Kouros sounding furious about the lack of British action to defend RAF Akrotiri, telling @skynews: 'Greek forces are present on the island, the French are coming - the least we expect is the British are present'
They didn’t ask us for help. They are playing anti UK politics. Stop helping them get rid of our basis Willy, you traitor.
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
So just to be clear the Reform Labour defectors were a total nothing bunch of non-entities in the end.
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
To be honest I hope you are right
The extremes on right and left are not what this country needs
I agree entirely. However the country does need a government brave enough to make really harsh decisions. We simply spend too much and unwisely.
I don't imagine that anyone would argue too much with the above.
Perhaps though the following will be controversial (just random points from a longer list)
I personally think that the welfare society has run entirely our of control. It's sort of obvious that if you hand out money to the poor, that the non-poor will also come along. In my view we're about 3 stages beyond that - it's the non-poor and everyone they've ever met.
Healthcare is ridiculous too. Much of this is due to the medical profession - they conclude nothing and much treatment to me seems completely rubbish.
Our defence spend is enormous - our abilities woeful.
All of these things are widely known, and governments have simply papered over the crevasses. And they've done it with Blue Peter style sticky-back taxes.
I do think Badenoch was extremely poor today and her position on Iran really is very foolish.
Her position on Iran is entirely reasonable.
Our base is under attack in Cyprus, we are literally under attack, and our forces won't engage in offensive operations?
Preposterous!
We should make a statement. Find an Iranian warship (assuming the US have left any) and sink it. You should always respond to force disproportionately.
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
Indeed. You'd hate to get your rubbish collection days mixed up.
So just to be clear the Reform Labour defectors were a total nothing bunch of non-entities in the end.
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
Reform are becoming a joke. They have been barreling along in campaign mode for 12 months and they are running out of steam fast
It would be marvellous if their bubble burst by May and all those Tory carpetbaggers solely interested in holding on to their councillor and assembly positions by jumping to Reform got their comeuppance. Sadly I suspect Reform’s balloon will take a little longer to deflate than that, meanwhile, my betting tip is to keep on laying Reform most seats and Farage as next PM.
Labour and Tories do at least know this time round theyll need to turn out to stop Reform. Last May caught them by surprise. That plus Reform bring a deflating rather than inflating balloon might help somewhat. Here in Norfolk in the county rather than city for example Tories either turn out or Reform clean up (they might anyway but still)
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
We'd be totally buggered if 100 drones were on their way, rather than 2 or 3.
Hegseth reportedly claiming that the torpedoing of the Iranian destroyer is the first such act since WW2. The Argentinians might want to correct him.
“ The first sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World War Two. Like in that war, back when we were still the War Department. We are fighting to win."
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
So just to be clear the Reform Labour defectors were a total nothing bunch of non-entities in the end.
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
To be honest I hope you are right
The extremes on right and left are not what this country needs
I agree entirely. However the country does need a government brave enough to make really harsh decisions. We simply spend too much and unwisely.
I don't imagine that anyone would argue too much with the above.
Perhaps though the following will be controversial (just random points from a longer list)
I personally think that the welfare society has run entirely our of control. It's sort of obvious that if you hand out money to the poor, that the non-poor will also come along. In my view we're about 3 stages beyond that - it's the non-poor and everyone they've ever met.
Healthcare is ridiculous too. Much of this is due to the medical profession - they conclude nothing and much treatment to me seems completely rubbish.
Our defence spend is enormous - our abilities woeful.
All of these things are widely known, and governments have simply papered over the crevasses. And they've done it with Blue Peter style sticky-back taxes.
The country cannot afford the benefit bill, pensions for all, the triple lock, WFA, 2 child cap removal, paying WASPI women to name a few
The next government has to concentrate on NEETS, tuition fees, and helping those who do work hard, but also has to find billions for defence
Anyone who can produce an honest and frank manifesto on these subjects needs to be elected
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
We'd be totally buggered if 100 drones were on their way, rather than 2 or 3.
Well perhaps, and just perhaps, our government could have negotiated with the overwhelming number of drones in such an instance and politely inform them that their mission to bomb our sovereign territory was not compatible with international law.
Do we have a “legality enforcement” weapon in our arsenal?
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
Starmer is the kind of person who will consider whether they should call a meeting with the aim of discussing the potential for looking into the possibility of making a decision on a course of action that may be taken at some point in the future.
There will never be swift, decisive action from this administration as long as he is PM.
So just to be clear the Reform Labour defectors were a total nothing bunch of non-entities in the end.
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
To be honest I hope you are right
The extremes on right and left are not what this country needs
I agree entirely. However the country does need a government brave enough to make really harsh decisions. We simply spend too much and unwisely.
I don't imagine that anyone would argue too much with the above.
Perhaps though the following will be controversial (just random points from a longer list)
I personally think that the welfare society has run entirely our of control. It's sort of obvious that if you hand out money to the poor, that the non-poor will also come along. In my view we're about 3 stages beyond that - it's the non-poor and everyone they've ever met.
Healthcare is ridiculous too. Much of this is due to the medical profession - they conclude nothing and much treatment to me seems completely rubbish.
Our defence spend is enormous - our abilities woeful.
All of these things are widely known, and governments have simply papered over the crevasses. And they've done it with Blue Peter style sticky-back taxes.
The country cannot afford the benefit bill, pensions for all, the triple lock, WFA, 2 child cap removal, paying WASPI women to name a few
The next government has to concentrate on NEETS, tuition fees, and helping those who do work hard, but also has to find billions for defence
Anyone who can produce an honest and frank manifesto on these subjects needs to be elected
Almost all of those dramatically increased, some created 2010 to 2024
No apology from Tories but they expect all their shit to be cleared up in 19 months
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
Since when has flying jets around the airspace above an evil regime bombing random stuff ever led to that land being ruled significantly better?
Cyprus High Commissioner Kyriacos Kouros sounding furious about the lack of British action to defend RAF Akrotiri, telling @skynews: 'Greek forces are present on the island, the French are coming - the least we expect is the British are present'
We may be present but we are not involved.
There’s a phrase.
Presumably we are present, we have two bases. Seems strange that the naval presence is based at Portsmouth which is not currently under attack from Iran.
There you go. The presence of the navy has meant that Iran hasn't attempted to attack Portsmouth.
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
"Two Shahed-style attack drones, likely launched by Iranian-backed groups in Lebanon at RAF Akrotiri and/or other British bases in Cyprus, were downed Wednesday over the Eastern Mediterranean approaching Cyprus by F-16C Fighting Falcons with the Greek Hellenic Air Force.:"
I posted on this in the morning, and re-confirmed by OsintDefender an hour agi on X, but not covered in the U.K. press.
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
Starmer is the kind of person who will consider whether they should call a meeting with the aim of discussing the potential for looking into the possibility of making a decision on a course of action that may be taken at some point in the future.
There will never be swift, decisive action from this administration as long as he is PM.
Unless you want to levy VAT on private school fees of course.
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
I am pleased the Ayatollah is dead. I am rather depressed that a school full of little girls are dead.
I think we all now understand your position. Do we need it to be reinforced every five minutes?
If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.
I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
I know the only thing some on here would like more than Starmer leaving is the collapse of the Labour Government and a General Election.
The only reason to change a leader is if you know any replacement would improve your prospects so the question then becomes whether Starmer is simply the focus of the anti-Government vitriol as Prime Minister or whether it's a personal thing rather like the goat sent into the wilderness carrying the sins of the party or the leader.
Despite the usual comments from the usual suspects, there are a number of possible leaders on the Government frontbench but the suspicion is whatever honeymoon they might enjoy would be very short and they would soon be attracting the same contempt as Starmer.
For some, there's no leader of the Labour party who works - simply because they are anti-Labour - the same is true for the Conservatives for whom one poster has a clear dislike. The same would be true of any party in Government which is why No.10 should come with a revolving door. The irony is the point at which a Prime Minister is most effective in terms of understanding the job and what it entails is often the very point they are forced out (Liz Truss excepted of course).
Given enhanced electoral volatility, the idea of a "quick fix" to resolve electoral difficulty is tempting and especially for Labour backbenchers with small majorities but there's no guarantee the situation would improve for any more than a few weeks or perhaps months.
Isn't there a bit of both aspects to the problem?
Most of the problem is that the Labour MPs won't wear what it takes to solve most of the country's problems. They really want more welfare, more immigrants, more regulations, more judicial reviews of everything, more taxing of the "Rich*", more borrowing for ever higher public sector pay, etc, etc. This is intractable, the only solution involves exchanging a significant percentage of Labour MPs for different ones, who are (bluntly) unlikely to be wearing Labour rosettes.
At the same time, Starmer (and Reeves), have done a shockingly poor job as turd sandwich salesmen, utterly failing to get the country to wear what they can get past their back benches. Their task is basically impossible (the country doesn't want turd sandwiches), but they've added to that with loads of unforced errors, particularly the endless u-turns. Every u-turn has been pretty much inevitable, as they've announced something either obviously unworkable (eg full day one workers rights), or which they can't get through the Commons (eg cuts to Pip).
Any replacement should do a bit better if they just avoid messing up so much, but (and I suppose I'm really agreeing with you), they're getting wiped out at the next election, regardless. The only thing they might do is find someone plausible, install them, then call a snap election before the honeymoon wears off - but if they pull that off, that leader will be plumbing polling depths below Starmer a month later.
*rich in this context being anyone who earns 10% more than they do
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
Since when has flying jets around the airspace above an evil regime bombing random stuff ever led to that land being ruled significantly better?
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
I am pleased the Ayatollah is dead. I am rather depressed that a school full of little girls are dead.
I think we all now understand your position. Do we need it to be reinforced every five minutes?
Has the school come out of passive aggressive quotation marks now?
So just to be clear the Reform Labour defectors were a total nothing bunch of non-entities in the end.
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
To be honest I hope you are right
The extremes on right and left are not what this country needs
I agree entirely. However the country does need a government brave enough to make really harsh decisions. We simply spend too much and unwisely.
I don't imagine that anyone would argue too much with the above.
Perhaps though the following will be controversial (just random points from a longer list)
I personally think that the welfare society has run entirely our of control. It's sort of obvious that if you hand out money to the poor, that the non-poor will also come along. In my view we're about 3 stages beyond that - it's the non-poor and everyone they've ever met.
Healthcare is ridiculous too. Much of this is due to the medical profession - they conclude nothing and much treatment to me seems completely rubbish.
Our defence spend is enormous - our abilities woeful.
All of these things are widely known, and governments have simply papered over the crevasses. And they've done it with Blue Peter style sticky-back taxes.
The country cannot afford the benefit bill, pensions for all, the triple lock, WFA, 2 child cap removal, paying WASPI women to name a few
The next government has to concentrate on NEETS, tuition fees, and helping those who do work hard, but also has to find billions for defence
Anyone who can produce an honest and frank manifesto on these subjects needs to be elected
Almost all of those dramatically increased, some created 2010 to 2024
No apology from Tories but they expect all their shit to be cleared up in 19 months
Same old Tories
You can never see a sensible contribution to debate other than same old tories
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
We'd be totally buggered if 100 drones were on their way, rather than 2 or 3.
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
One airfield where one drobe landed and caused a crater
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
Since when has flying jets around the airspace above an evil regime bombing random stuff ever led to that land being ruled significantly better?
Since the 1940s.
Did you mean to append 'it's always proved to be otherwise' ?
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
Since when has flying jets around the airspace above an evil regime bombing random stuff ever led to that land being ruled significantly better?
Sky suggesting Israel have special forces on the ground in Iran
So just to be clear the Reform Labour defectors were a total nothing bunch of non-entities in the end.
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
To be honest I hope you are right
The extremes on right and left are not what this country needs
I agree entirely. However the country does need a government brave enough to make really harsh decisions. We simply spend too much and unwisely.
I don't imagine that anyone would argue too much with the above.
Perhaps though the following will be controversial (just random points from a longer list)
I personally think that the welfare society has run entirely our of control. It's sort of obvious that if you hand out money to the poor, that the non-poor will also come along. In my view we're about 3 stages beyond that - it's the non-poor and everyone they've ever met.
Healthcare is ridiculous too. Much of this is due to the medical profession - they conclude nothing and much treatment to me seems completely rubbish.
Our defence spend is enormous - our abilities woeful.
All of these things are widely known, and governments have simply papered over the crevasses. And they've done it with Blue Peter style sticky-back taxes.
The country cannot afford the benefit bill, pensions for all, the triple lock, WFA, 2 child cap removal, paying WASPI women to name a few
The next government has to concentrate on NEETS, tuition fees, and helping those who do work hard, but also has to find billions for defence
Anyone who can produce an honest and frank manifesto on these subjects needs to be elected
Almost all of those dramatically increased, some created 2010 to 2024
No apology from Tories but they expect all their shit to be cleared up in 19 months
Same old Tories
You can never see a sensible contribution to debate other than same old tories
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
Since when has flying jets around the airspace above an evil regime bombing random stuff ever led to that land being ruled significantly better?
Since the 1940s.
Did you mean to append 'it's always proved to be otherwise' ?
So just to be clear the Reform Labour defectors were a total nothing bunch of non-entities in the end.
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
To be honest I hope you are right
The extremes on right and left are not what this country needs
I agree entirely. However the country does need a government brave enough to make really harsh decisions. We simply spend too much and unwisely.
I don't imagine that anyone would argue too much with the above.
Perhaps though the following will be controversial (just random points from a longer list)
I personally think that the welfare society has run entirely our of control. It's sort of obvious that if you hand out money to the poor, that the non-poor will also come along. In my view we're about 3 stages beyond that - it's the non-poor and everyone they've ever met.
Healthcare is ridiculous too. Much of this is due to the medical profession - they conclude nothing and much treatment to me seems completely rubbish.
Our defence spend is enormous - our abilities woeful.
All of these things are widely known, and governments have simply papered over the crevasses. And they've done it with Blue Peter style sticky-back taxes.
The country cannot afford the benefit bill, pensions for all, the triple lock, WFA, 2 child cap removal, paying WASPI women to name a few
The next government has to concentrate on NEETS, tuition fees, and helping those who do work hard, but also has to find billions for defence
Anyone who can produce an honest and frank manifesto on these subjects needs to be elected
Almost all of those dramatically increased, some created 2010 to 2024
No apology from Tories but they expect all their shit to be cleared up in 19 months
Same old Tories
You can never see a sensible contribution to debate other than same old tories
If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.
I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
I know the only thing some on here would like more than Starmer leaving is the collapse of the Labour Government and a General Election.
The only reason to change a leader is if you know any replacement would improve your prospects so the question then becomes whether Starmer is simply the focus of the anti-Government vitriol as Prime Minister or whether it's a personal thing rather like the goat sent into the wilderness carrying the sins of the party or the leader.
Despite the usual comments from the usual suspects, there are a number of possible leaders on the Government frontbench but the suspicion is whatever honeymoon they might enjoy would be very short and they would soon be attracting the same contempt as Starmer.
For some, there's no leader of the Labour party who works - simply because they are anti-Labour - the same is true for the Conservatives for whom one poster has a clear dislike. The same would be true of any party in Government which is why No.10 should come with a revolving door. The irony is the point at which a Prime Minister is most effective in terms of understanding the job and what it entails is often the very point they are forced out (Liz Truss excepted of course).
Given enhanced electoral volatility, the idea of a "quick fix" to resolve electoral difficulty is tempting and especially for Labour backbenchers with small majorities but there's no guarantee the situation would improve for any more than a few weeks or perhaps months.
The difference with the Labour voter is not that he skags off all Tories for being Tories.
Everything else you say I agree with.
For the record, I think that the Tories would win a GE with Mordaunt as leader and get 40 seats more with Cleverly than Badenoch.
Her Pmq performance today possibly the final nail in her political coffin. She cannot keep her temper under pressure.
She'd wilt and be an absolute car crash in a 6 week GE campaign
You really are making this site unreadable. Spamming all day and night with one-track posts which are largely wrong and utterly boring. You might think it’s funny, or will sway people to view politics through your eyes but it’s really just making your position seem like one to steer well clear of. Really pleased you joined.
Frankly it has been apparent for some time that he has a real problem, especially with Kemi and bombing Tel Aviv, it is at the point many posters will just ignore and scroll past
We all argue and debate, but rarely if ever have can I recall a poster with such an irrational hatred of one politician
Time to ignore and scroll past
10 at least in here doing what I'm accused if
To starmer
We'll I'll make your day and go away.
You clearly just want to spout your tripe to your hearts content.
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
We'd be totally buggered if 100 drones were on their way, rather than 2 or 3.
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
One airfield where one drobe landed and caused a crater
No injuries let alone loss of life.
We now have planes in the air Defending airspace
Possibly, but it was the Greeks that shot down the two this morning.
That might have been in co-ordination with the R.A.F., but no information there.
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
Since when has flying jets around the airspace above an evil regime bombing random stuff ever led to that land being ruled significantly better?
Sky suggesting Israel have special forces on the ground in Iran
Sometimes I love our media. How to state the bloody obvious as if it’s “news”.
I'm struggling to understand why the government has been so slow to defend British sovereign territory in Cyprus. The Greeks and French have every right to be upset.
There's a pattern with this government.
Starmer is the kind of person who will consider whether they should call a meeting with the aim of discussing the potential for looking into the possibility of making a decision on a course of action that may be taken at some point in the future.
There will never be swift, decisive action from this administration as long as he is PM.
The way they edited the video of him agreeing the line to take yesterday had him saying, "British civilians are now at risk... Good!"
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
Since when has flying jets around the airspace above an evil regime bombing random stuff ever led to that land being ruled significantly better?
Sky suggesting Israel have special forces on the ground in Iran
Pete called the win earlier. I thought it would be a great deal harder.
I get the impression that the IDF have smashed this. Trump and Pete have simply ridden pillion. Hacking traffic management cameras to identify where to locate the bad guys is bloody clever.
Hegseth reportedly claiming that the torpedoing of the Iranian destroyer is the first such act since WW2. The Argentinians might want to correct him.
“ The first sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World War Two. Like in that war, back when we were still the War Department. We are fighting to win."
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
He was utterly shocking and both my wife and I were disgusted with his 'toast' comment
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
Why?
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
It was the language of hate and quite disturbing
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
I dunno Big G. I respect your posts and all but I’m sure, in anachronistic parlance, you would have celebrated Mr Hitler and his cohorts as “being toast” should you have been about in 1945.
To be honest I wouldn't have used that language
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
America is seeking to end the evil of the Iranian regime.
We should be supporting them to that end.
Since when has flying jets around the airspace above an evil regime bombing random stuff ever led to that land being ruled significantly better?
Since the 1940s.
Did you mean to append 'it's always proved to be otherwise' ?
No.
How odd!
I'd be very interested as to what you might make of the various air power deployments since 1940 (your chosen date). However let's leave out Germany and Japan - we can come back to them, but we'll never get beyond the first step otherwise.
So, do you have any argument other than those two cases?
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The only reason to change a leader is if you know any replacement would improve your prospects so the question then becomes whether Starmer is simply the focus of the anti-Government vitriol as Prime Minister or whether it's a personal thing rather like the goat sent into the wilderness carrying the sins of the party or the leader.
Despite the usual comments from the usual suspects, there are a number of possible leaders on the Government frontbench but the suspicion is whatever honeymoon they might enjoy would be very short and they would soon be attracting the same contempt as Starmer.
For some, there's no leader of the Labour party who works - simply because they are anti-Labour - the same is true for the Conservatives for whom one poster has a clear dislike. The same would be true of any party in Government which is why No.10 should come with a revolving door. The irony is the point at which a Prime Minister is most effective in terms of understanding the job and what it entails is often the very point they are forced out (Liz Truss excepted of course).
Given enhanced electoral volatility, the idea of a "quick fix" to resolve electoral difficulty is tempting and especially for Labour backbenchers with small majorities but there's no guarantee the situation would improve for any more than a few weeks or perhaps months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSU7wSQl1-o
Time to shut the curtains
SNP looking for a new candidate in Edinburgh Southern, its currently a safe Labour seat
Not surprised given the context in the article
Everything else you say I agree with.
For the record, I think that the Tories would win a GE with Mordaunt as leader and get 40 seats more with Cleverly than Badenoch.
Her Pmq performance today possibly the final nail in her political coffin. She cannot keep her temper under pressure.
She'd wilt and be an absolute car crash in a 6 week GE campaign
He’s talking about the war as if it’s some video game . He’s also a white nationalist and misogynist.
Its a war, the quotes on the BBC seem entirely reasonable.
Was it anything along the lines of "just rejoice at that news and congratulate our forces and the Marines"?
Our base is under attack in Cyprus, we are literally under attack, and our forces won't engage in offensive operations?
Preposterous!
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/2029216503107654114
Israeli Air Force chief Maj. Gen. Tomer Bar in a missive to soldiers says "the troops of the air force’s special units are currently carrying out extraordinary missions that can spark one's imagination."
Got to love the old "No true Scotsman" argument.
As is 2/3 of Cubas........
She'd wilt and be an absolute car crash in a 6 week GE campaig'n
Irrational hatred again
Try to be more original, and actually make a contribution otherwise you will become a poster that fellow posters will just scroll by and ignore you
Allying with Trump and a home for ex Tories.
Labour is far from dead. Nor are the Tories.
I really do not know how this unfolds but he is simply a terrible advert for a US politician
They have been barreling along in campaign mode for 12 months and they are running out of steam fast
The extremes on right and left are not what this country needs
In any sensible universe, Labour would have electoral reform at the top of its in-tray.
Cyprus High Commissioner Kyriacos Kouros sounding furious about the lack of British action to defend RAF Akrotiri, telling @skynews: 'Greek forces are present on the island, the French are coming - the least we expect is the British are present'
The Iranian regime have just brutally slaughtered tens of thousands of their own citizens.
Them being toast is something to "rejoice" about, not be disgusted at.
There’s a phrase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDl2GMS6iiA
We all argue and debate, but rarely if ever have can I recall a poster with such an irrational hatred of one politician
Time to ignore and scroll past
I will never rejoice at anyone suggesting someone else is 'toast'
“ The first sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World War Two. Like in that war, back when we were still the War Department. We are fighting to win."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-submarine-sinks-iranian-warship-torpedo-first-since-world-war-ii
I don't imagine that anyone would argue too much with the above.
Perhaps though the following will be controversial (just random points from a longer list)
I personally think that the welfare society has run entirely our of control. It's sort of obvious that if you hand out money to the poor, that the non-poor will also come along. In my view we're about 3 stages beyond that - it's the non-poor and everyone they've ever met.
Healthcare is ridiculous too. Much of this is due to the medical profession - they conclude nothing and much treatment to me seems completely rubbish.
Our defence spend is enormous - our abilities woeful.
All of these things are widely known, and governments have simply papered over the crevasses. And they've done it with Blue Peter style sticky-back taxes.
I was around in 1945 though quite young, but it would be simple relief that evil had ended
There's a pattern with this government.
If you don't want that, you should not be at war.
The sooner the Iranian regime are toast, the better, and better the evil regime than the poor, innocent civilians they oppress.
That plus Reform bring a deflating rather than inflating balloon might help somewhat.
Here in Norfolk in the county rather than city for example Tories either turn out or Reform clean up (they might anyway but still)
We should be supporting them to that end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_LCnVTrkXY
The next government has to concentrate on NEETS, tuition fees, and helping those who do work hard, but also has to find billions for defence
Anyone who can produce an honest and frank manifesto on these subjects needs to be elected
Do we have a “legality enforcement” weapon in our arsenal?
There will never be swift, decisive action from this administration as long as he is PM.
No apology from Tories but they expect all their shit to be cleared up in 19 months
Same old Tories
Mission accomplished.
I posted on this in the morning, and re-confirmed by OsintDefender an hour agi on X, but not covered in the U.K. press.
I think we all now understand your position. Do we need it to be reinforced every five minutes?
Most of the problem is that the Labour MPs won't wear what it takes to solve most of the country's problems. They really want more welfare, more immigrants, more regulations, more judicial reviews of everything, more taxing of the "Rich*", more borrowing for ever higher public sector pay, etc, etc. This is intractable, the only solution involves exchanging a significant percentage of Labour MPs for different ones, who are (bluntly) unlikely to be wearing Labour rosettes.
At the same time, Starmer (and Reeves), have done a shockingly poor job as turd sandwich salesmen, utterly failing to get the country to wear what they can get past their back benches. Their task is basically impossible (the country doesn't want turd sandwiches), but they've added to that with loads of unforced errors, particularly the endless u-turns. Every u-turn has been pretty much inevitable, as they've announced something either obviously unworkable (eg full day one workers rights), or which they can't get through the Commons (eg cuts to Pip).
Any replacement should do a bit better if they just avoid messing up so much, but (and I suppose I'm really agreeing with you), they're getting wiped out at the next election, regardless. The only thing they might do is find someone plausible, install them, then call a snap election before the honeymoon wears off - but if they pull that off, that leader will be plumbing polling depths below Starmer a month later.
*rich in this context being anyone who earns 10% more than they do
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
We are well on our way to achieving the objectives of #EpicFury
Destroy their missile launchers
Destroy their missile factories
Destroy their Navy
So they can never hide behind these things to develop a nuclear weapon
https://x.com/marcorubio/status/2029247549152878889
Anyway you are not worth the effort
Time to ignore and scroll on
No injuries let alone loss of life.
We now have planes in the air Defending airspace
No point in engaging
To starmer
We'll I'll make your day and go away.
You clearly just want to spout your tripe to your hearts content.
But if you and @Roger sing its praises then it must be of the left
That might have been in co-ordination with the R.A.F., but no information there.
https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2028897455643767230
I get the impression that the IDF have smashed this. Trump and Pete have simply ridden pillion. Hacking traffic management cameras to identify where to locate the bad guys is bloody clever.
Messy: Karoline Leavitt plays down the threat of an trade embargo against Spain and says the country has agreed to cooperate with the US army.
Shortly after, Spain categorically denies it.
I'd be very interested as to what you might make of the various air power deployments since 1940 (your chosen date). However let's leave out Germany and Japan - we can come back to them, but we'll never get beyond the first step otherwise.
So, do you have any argument other than those two cases?