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The search for Starmer's replacement - politicalbetting.com

It feels like we’re approaching the final frontier of Starmer’s leadership as the expectation is Labour MPs will launch an insurrection against their leader after May’s elections despite last week’s by-election being the first contact with electoral reality.

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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,135
    edited 4:06PM
    First - goalhanging, I'm afraid. Should be working but its been a long day. I'm happy to see Starmer replaced but it has to be someone with a vision of what they want to achieve in power.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    edited 4:06PM
    Joani says shes hever been to China, never spoken on China. Hell, she even drinks out of plastic cups!

    Oh, and on thread, what a choice, lol
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,108
    edited 4:07PM
    I think horror is a bit unfair. That's a better description of North Korea or Russia. The horror in Britain is mostly off-stage, in our economic performance or poor public services.

    More like one of those old farces where all of the characters are disastrously incompetent but somehow the show blunders on.

    Certainly decisions like trusting Mandelson or withdrawing the WFA can't really be explained in any other way.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,293
    Starmer's polling:

    "It's worse than that, he's dead Jim."
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,386
    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 203
    Bravo for squeezing the Trek films into the Thread Header

    On-topic, I feel mild existential dread at any of the possibilities...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,619
    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    He still has to win it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,619
    MarqueeMark said:

    Starmer's polling:

    "It's worse than that, he's dead Jim."

    Yay, somebody spotted the subtle Star Trek references.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,135
    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    I'm not convinced that there are ANY safe Labour seats, anywhere now. Heck of risk for Burnham (or indeed Khan).
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 203
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Starmer's polling:

    "It's worse than that, he's dead Jim."

    Yay, somebody spotted the subtle Star Trek references.
    Subtle?
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 203
    turbotubbs said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    I'm not convinced that there are ANY safe Labour seats, anywhere now. Heck of risk for Burnham (or indeed Khan).
    Ideal scenario is they both vacate their Mayoralty and lose whatever seat they stand in.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    Sweeney74 said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    I'm not convinced that there are ANY safe Labour seats, anywhere now. Heck of risk for Burnham (or indeed Khan).
    Ideal scenario is they both vacate their Mayoralty and lose whatever seat they stand in.
    And slip on a banana skin discarded by David Miliband
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,135
    Sweeney74 said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    I'm not convinced that there are ANY safe Labour seats, anywhere now. Heck of risk for Burnham (or indeed Khan).
    Ideal scenario is they both vacate their Mayoralty and lose whatever seat they stand in.
    For even more fun - they both quit their Mayoralties to contest the same by-election, only one is chosen, and that one loses...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,212
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    He still has to win it.
    "I don't like to lose!"
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 203
    turbotubbs said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    I'm not convinced that there are ANY safe Labour seats, anywhere now. Heck of risk for Burnham (or indeed Khan).
    Ideal scenario is they both vacate their Mayoralty and lose whatever seat they stand in.
    For even more fun - they both quit their Mayoralties to contest the same by-election, only one is chosen, and that one loses...
    Not even Labour can be that stupid, can they?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,659
    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    The voters might give him the thumbs down.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,212
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Starmer's polling:

    "It's worse than that, he's dead Jim."

    Yay, somebody spotted the subtle Star Trek references.
    But Into Darkness and Beyond aren't real Star Trek!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,830
    The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,103
    Rayner as PM, Ed as Deputy and retains Environment.

    Darren Jones as Chancellor, Cooper, Mahmood and Phillipson retain roles.

    Lammy to Lords as AG and Leader of Lords, Rachel to Lords too.

    Jones keeps bond markets gappy

    Healy Mcfadden retain jobs.


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,212
    wooliedyed said:

    Joani says shes hever been to China, never spoken on China. Hell, she even drinks out of plastic cups!

    Oh, and on thread, what a choice, lol

    "There is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China."
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,135
    Sweeney74 said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    I'm not convinced that there are ANY safe Labour seats, anywhere now. Heck of risk for Burnham (or indeed Khan).
    Ideal scenario is they both vacate their Mayoralty and lose whatever seat they stand in.
    For even more fun - they both quit their Mayoralties to contest the same by-election, only one is chosen, and that one loses...
    Not even Labour can be that stupid, can they?
    "Bullet in the foot."
    "Well, I can understand people at the front trying to shoot themselves in the foot, but when you’re 35 miles behind the line…"
    "I did not shoot myself. The General did it."
    "Well! Finally got fed up with you, did he?"
    "No, it was a mistake."
    "Oh, he was aiming for your head…"
    "He wasn’t aiming for anything."
    "Oh, so he was going for between your legs, then."
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,386
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    The voters might give him the thumbs down.
    I imagine in view of what happened last time he has now got ALL his ducks in a row including having an appropriate seat
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    He has got to win it first
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,699
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    The voters might give him the thumbs down.
    But he’s the king of the north and everyone loves him !!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,212
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Starmer's polling:

    "It's worse than that, he's dead Jim."

    Yay, somebody spotted the subtle Star Trek references.
    I can see you, TSE. Can you see me? Oh, now be honest, TSE, warrior to warrior. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 203
    edited 4:29PM
    Brixian59 said:

    Rayner as PM, Ed as Deputy and retains Environment.

    Darren Jones as Chancellor, Cooper, Mahmood and Phillipson retain roles.

    Lammy to Lords as AG and Leader of Lords, Rachel to Lords too.

    Jones keeps bond markets gappy

    Healy Mcfadden retain jobs.


    Rayner as PM...
    I think I can picture it. It'd be funny at least.

    Darren Jones to No 11? Oh gods no please not another fking lawyer.

    Lammy to the Lords as AG. struggling with that one if I'm being honest.


  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,150
    I think whoever it is will need to show themselves as convincingly different from Starmer. I think that rules out Streeting. Mahmood and her immigration stuff will be toxic.

    I think Ange + Ed M chancellor is the unity ticket and showcases something different to Starmer.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 203
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Starmer's polling:

    "It's worse than that, he's dead Jim."

    Yay, somebody spotted the subtle Star Trek references.
    I can see you, TSE. Can you see me? Oh, now be honest, TSE, warrior to warrior. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."
    you've not experienced Shakespeare until you've read him in the original Klingon
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    When you look at the choice they are better keeping Starmer

    However, with Mandelson, China spies, and May's probable shellacking I assume he will have to resign

    Just as those who are obsessed with changing Kemi, there are absolutely no alternatives that would change their fortunes
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    edited 4:29PM
    rkrkrk said:

    I think whoever it is will need to show themselves as convincingly different from Starmer. I think that rules out Streeting. Mahmood and her immigration stuff will be toxic.

    I think Ange + Ed M chancellor is the unity ticket and showcases something different to Starmer.

    The bond markets say 'hi'
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,386
    MarqueeMark said:

    Starmer's polling:

    "It's worse than that, he's dead Jim."

    "Suicide? I don't know but if it was he sure got the right guy"

    (James Cagney)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,619
    Finn Allen can bat.

    A century from 33 balls.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,150
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think whoever it is will need to show themselves as convincingly different from Starmer. I think that rules out Streeting. Mahmood and her immigration stuff will be toxic.

    I think Ange + Ed M chancellor is the unity ticket and showcases something different to Starmer.

    The bond markets say 'hi'
    Ed M is ex Treasury from back when we had a decade of economic growth and stability
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    When you look at the choice they are better keeping Starmer

    However, with Mandelson, China spies, and May's probable shellacking I assume he will have to resign

    Just as those who are obsessed with changing Kemi, there are absolutely no alternatives that would change their fortunes

    Labour have gaffer taped themselves to him now.

    To paraphrase Radiohead

    They live with a broken man
    A cracked, polystyrene man,
    Who just crumbles and burns.

    Gravity always wins innit
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,103
    wooliedyed said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    When you look at the choice they are better keeping Starmer

    However, with Mandelson, China spies, and May's probable shellacking I assume he will have to resign

    Just as those who are obsessed with changing Kemi, there are absolutely no alternatives that would change their fortunes

    Labour have gaffer taped themselves to him now.

    To paraphrase Radiohead

    They live with a broken man
    A cracked, polystyrene man,
    Who just crumbles and burns.

    Gravity always wins innit
    Under estimate Rayner at your peril.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,103
    rkrkrk said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think whoever it is will need to show themselves as convincingly different from Starmer. I think that rules out Streeting. Mahmood and her immigration stuff will be toxic.

    I think Ange + Ed M chancellor is the unity ticket and showcases something different to Starmer.

    The bond markets say 'hi'
    Ed M is ex Treasury from back when we had a decade of economic growth and stability
    48 consecutive quarters of growth, that's where Ed cut his teeth.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,013
    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think whoever it is will need to show themselves as convincingly different from Starmer. I think that rules out Streeting. Mahmood and her immigration stuff will be toxic.

    I think Ange + Ed M chancellor is the unity ticket and showcases something different to Starmer.

    The bond markets say 'hi'
    Ed M is ex Treasury from back when we had a decade of economic growth and stability
    48 consecutive quarters of growth, that's where Ed cut his teeth.

    Easy when you have a golden economic inheritence and then create an unsustainable credit bubble.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,103
    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Rayner as PM, Ed as Deputy and retains Environment.

    Darren Jones as Chancellor, Cooper, Mahmood and Phillipson retain roles.

    Lammy to Lords as AG and Leader of Lords, Rachel to Lords too.

    Jones keeps bond markets gappy

    Healy Mcfadden retain jobs.


    Rayner as PM...
    I think I can picture it. It'd be funny at least.

    Darren Jones to No 11? Oh gods no please not another fking lawyer.

    Lammy to the Lords as AG. struggling with that one if I'm being honest.


    There or London Mayor if sadiq does want a 4th term.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,815
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think whoever it is will need to show themselves as convincingly different from Starmer. I think that rules out Streeting. Mahmood and her immigration stuff will be toxic.

    I think Ange + Ed M chancellor is the unity ticket and showcases something different to Starmer.

    The bond markets say 'hi'
    I am assuming they will have the OBR onboard unlike the Conservatives in 2022.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,347
    wooliedyed said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    I'm not convinced that there are ANY safe Labour seats, anywhere now. Heck of risk for Burnham (or indeed Khan).
    Ideal scenario is they both vacate their Mayoralty and lose whatever seat they stand in.
    And slip on a banana skin discarded by David Miliband
    The bananaman who has just popped up in the New Statesman?
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,699
    rkrkrk said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think whoever it is will need to show themselves as convincingly different from Starmer. I think that rules out Streeting. Mahmood and her immigration stuff will be toxic.

    I think Ange + Ed M chancellor is the unity ticket and showcases something different to Starmer.

    The bond markets say 'hi'
    Ed M is ex Treasury from back when we had a decade of economic growth and stability
    In spite of him rather than thanks to him, presumably.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 203
    Brixian59 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Rayner as PM, Ed as Deputy and retains Environment.

    Darren Jones as Chancellor, Cooper, Mahmood and Phillipson retain roles.

    Lammy to Lords as AG and Leader of Lords, Rachel to Lords too.

    Jones keeps bond markets gappy

    Healy Mcfadden retain jobs.


    Rayner as PM...
    I think I can picture it. It'd be funny at least.

    Darren Jones to No 11? Oh gods no please not another fking lawyer.

    Lammy to the Lords as AG. struggling with that one if I'm being honest.


    There or London Mayor if sadiq does want a 4th term.
    I assume you mean doesn't want a 4th term...
    Lammy or Rayner?

    Lammy should not be anywhere important.
    Rayner as London Mayor is actually a decent shout.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,347
    edited 4:39PM
    US launches new military campaign in Ecuador as it vows 'decisive action'
    ...
    US forces are working alongside the Ecuadorean military to take "decisive action" against narco-trafficking organisations in Ecuador, U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) said on Tuesday. Operations were launched that same day.
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-us-military-ecuador-trump-36817213
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,013
    Serious politicians for serious times:

    https://x.com/kateferguson4/status/2029139091946627504

    Strictly come dancing practice in parliament today!

    Lindsay Hoyle and Angela Rippon lead the class
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,872
    There’s always a sanctimonious letter..

    Joani Reid MP
    @JoaniReid
    Jeremy Corbyn must decide.
    Does he back the UK standing with Ukraine against Russian aggression, or does he align with Trump's isolationist appeasement of Putin? There is no sitting on the fence.

    https://x.com/joanireid/status/1892660035873898823?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • glwglw Posts: 10,790
    edited 4:47PM
    numbertwelve said:

    The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.

    I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.

    The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.

    Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,872
    He is risen!

    https://x.com/BowesChay/status/2029180123333718138?s=20
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    Mexicanpete said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I think whoever it is will need to show themselves as convincingly different from Starmer. I think that rules out Streeting. Mahmood and her immigration stuff will be toxic.

    I think Ange + Ed M chancellor is the unity ticket and showcases something different to Starmer.

    The bond markets say 'hi'
    I am assuming they will have the OBR onboard unlike the Conservatives in 2022.
    You suggesting they will last more than the 6 week Truss premiership ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,347
    glw said:

    numbertwelve said:

    The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.

    I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.

    The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.

    Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
    Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,415
    Burnham and Khan are Mayor until May 28 and police and crime commissioner equivalent, so can't be MPs concurrently.
    So only Brown generation minister who could make a quick return is D Milliband.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 203
    glw said:

    numbertwelve said:

    The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.

    I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.

    The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.

    Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
    The 2020 film Another Round explores what happens when four friends (all teachers) embark on an experiment to test a scientific theory claiming that when people maintain a golden 0.05% blood alcohol concentration at all times, they are more relaxed, poised, and self-confident.

    I think the cabinet should give it a go
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,619
    I have a broken quiz machine for sale, £10 no questions asked.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,241
    wooliedyed said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    When you look at the choice they are better keeping Starmer

    However, with Mandelson, China spies, and May's probable shellacking I assume he will have to resign

    Just as those who are obsessed with changing Kemi, there are absolutely no alternatives that would change their fortunes

    Labour have gaffer taped themselves to him now.

    To paraphrase Radiohead

    They live with a broken man
    A cracked, polystyrene man,
    Who just crumbles and burns.

    Gravity always wins innit
    Bloody Hell. Teachers blooming pet.

    What are you after, blob of 100 likes doshed onto your account?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,865
    Bless you @TheScreamingEagles , you got them all: https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5455756#Comment_5455756
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    Has Joani Reid stepped down from the Home Affairs select committee yet?
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,745
    Roger said:

    I'm afraid it's going to be Andy Burnham. He wouldn't be my choice but I believe he has the offer of a seat.

    That went so well for him last time.

    Oh, wait...!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    MoonRabbit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    When you look at the choice they are better keeping Starmer

    However, with Mandelson, China spies, and May's probable shellacking I assume he will have to resign

    Just as those who are obsessed with changing Kemi, there are absolutely no alternatives that would change their fortunes

    Labour have gaffer taped themselves to him now.

    To paraphrase Radiohead

    They live with a broken man
    A cracked, polystyrene man,
    Who just crumbles and burns.

    Gravity always wins innit
    Bloody Hell. Teachers blooming pet.

    What are you after, blob of 100 likes doshed onto your account?
    I have no shame whatsoever
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,830
    On topic.
    Starmer’s replacement?

    A plastic pot plant from B&M.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,270
    Finn Allen 100 off 33 balls. Sir Geoff will be having kittens.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,619
    wooliedyed said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    When you look at the choice they are better keeping Starmer

    However, with Mandelson, China spies, and May's probable shellacking I assume he will have to resign

    Just as those who are obsessed with changing Kemi, there are absolutely no alternatives that would change their fortunes

    Labour have gaffer taped themselves to him now.

    To paraphrase Radiohead

    They live with a broken man
    A cracked, polystyrene man,
    Who just crumbles and burns.

    Gravity always wins innit
    Bloody Hell. Teachers blooming pet.

    What are you after, blob of 100 likes doshed onto your account?
    I have no shame whatsoever
    I also have no sense of shame (or decency), that way my other senses are enhanced.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,777
    The insane way the Labour Party does admin means the King in the North is currently unavailable. But - and its a big but - if there was a vacancy it must be possible for there to be another interim leader whilst they hold a hastily-run by-election.

    Labour have shat themselves quite badly. Any of the existing lot are going to really struggle to gain the support of the public whilst reeking of poo. Which makes me discount Streeting or Milliband E or Healey or even the Queen herself Rayner.

    Which leaves an outsider. Al Cairns or Andy B. Or they lose. Badly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,270
    edited 5:02PM
    The UK data watchdog is writing to Meta following a "concerning" report claiming outsourced workers were able to view sensitive content filmed by the company's AI smart glasses.

    Meta said subcontracted workers might sometimes review content, including films and images, captured by its AI smart glasses for the purpose of improving the "experience". Videos, including of glasses-wearers using the toilet or having sex, are sometimes reviewed by a Kenya-based Meta subcontractor, according to an investigation by Swedish newspapers, external Svenska Dagbladet (SvD) and Goteborgs-Posten (GP).

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q33nvj0qpo
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,386
    Have you heard the Trump /Hesketh video. They're not only a couple of sickos they're also barking mad!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Finn Allen 100 off 33 balls. Sir Geoff will be having kittens.

    I refer the gentleman to the Gillette Cup Final 1965

    Yorks 317/4 60.0 Boycott G 146 (14x4 3x6)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,212
    viewcode said:

    Bless you @TheScreamingEagles , you got them all: https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5455756#Comment_5455756

    Kelvin timeline isn't REAL Star Trek :lol:
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,830
    edited 5:07PM
    It’s clear Britain is now a Jurisdocracy.

    Starmer’s goal:

    The Jurisdocratic Republic of Greater Britain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,270
    edited 5:05PM
    wooliedyed said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Finn Allen 100 off 33 balls. Sir Geoff will be having kittens.

    I refer the gentleman to the Gillette Cup Final 1965

    Yorks 317/4 60.0 Boycott G 146 (14x4 3x6)
    I am still convinced it was a body double. Or somebody spiked his Yorkshire tea.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    When you look at the choice they are better keeping Starmer

    However, with Mandelson, China spies, and May's probable shellacking I assume he will have to resign

    Just as those who are obsessed with changing Kemi, there are absolutely no alternatives that would change their fortunes

    Labour have gaffer taped themselves to him now.

    To paraphrase Radiohead

    They live with a broken man
    A cracked, polystyrene man,
    Who just crumbles and burns.

    Gravity always wins innit
    Bloody Hell. Teachers blooming pet.

    What are you after, blob of 100 likes doshed onto your account?
    I have no shame whatsoever
    I also have no sense of shame (or decency), that way my other senses are enhanced.
    Sensible
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    wooliedyed said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Finn Allen 100 off 33 balls. Sir Geoff will be having kittens.

    I refer the gentleman to the Gillette Cup Final 1965

    Yorks 317/4 60.0 Boycott G 146 (14x4 3x6)
    I am still convinced it was a body double. Or somebody spiked his Yorkshire tea.
    Rumour has it he was shit scared of Brian Close who threatened to run him out if he didnt get a shimmy on from 22/1 off 12 overs
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    Roger said:

    Have you heard the Trump /Hesketh video. They're not only a couple of sickos they're also barking mad!

    They are, but the more important point is how is this war resolved
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,013
    If the US and Israel weren't sharing intelligence with Britain in advance of the operation, then Starmer's legal advice will have been based on incomplete information.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,386

    Hegseth after killing 160 schoolgirls aged 8-12 says he's going to look into it. He is a very very sick man.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    edited 5:12PM
    williamglenn said:

    If the US and Israel weren't sharing intelligence with Britain in advance of the operation, then Starmer's legal advice will have been based on incomplete information.

    His legal advice will also be whatever he asked it to be
    I want to x, find me legal interpretation supporting x Richard.
    Yes, Booboo
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,699
    Ha ha,

    What a mug. Typical entitled new intake. Hope this really bites her.


    ‘ A year ago, Labour MP Joani Reid wrote this charming letter to Jeremy Corbyn demanding he "must decide" if he backs the UK government on foreign affairs. "The British public deserves to know", she said.

    Today her partner was reportedly arrested on suspicion of spying for China.’


    https://x.com/alexnunns/status/2029206746984583441?s=61
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,270
    edited 5:16PM
    Taz said:

    Ha ha,

    What a mug. Typical entitled new intake. Hope this really bites her.


    ‘ A year ago, Labour MP Joani Reid wrote this charming letter to Jeremy Corbyn demanding he "must decide" if he backs the UK government on foreign affairs. "The British public deserves to know", she said.

    Today her partner was reportedly arrested on suspicion of spying for China.’


    https://x.com/alexnunns/status/2029206746984583441?s=61

    To be fair, at this stage a) we don't know anybody is guilty of anything and b) it might have come as big as shock to her as anybody else. It has been known for spies to keep it a bit on the down low. Or they might be up to their neck in it.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,830
    Roger said:


    Hegseth after killing 160 schoolgirls aged 8-12 says he's going to look into it. He is a very very sick man.

    What did Iran say after they slaughtered 40,000 in two weeks?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    Sky

    Israel's air force commander suggest special operations are not just in the air, but operating on the ground inside Iran
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,699
    ozymandias said:

    Roger said:


    Hegseth after killing 160 schoolgirls aged 8-12 says he's going to look into it. He is a very very sick man.

    What did Iran say after they slaughtered 40,000 in two weeks?
    They don’t matter as they weren’t killed by the US
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    edited 5:19PM
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Taz said:

    Ha ha,

    What a mug. Typical entitled new intake. Hope this really bites her.


    ‘ A year ago, Labour MP Joani Reid wrote this charming letter to Jeremy Corbyn demanding he "must decide" if he backs the UK government on foreign affairs. "The British public deserves to know", she said.

    Today her partner was reportedly arrested on suspicion of spying for China.’


    https://x.com/alexnunns/status/2029206746984583441?s=61

    To be fair, at this stage a) we don't know anybody is guilty of anything and b) it might have come as big as shock to her as anybody else. Or they might be up to their neck in it.
    Maybe. She should be recusing herself from the home affairs select committee though until everything is resolved
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,830
    Taz said:

    ozymandias said:

    Roger said:


    Hegseth after killing 160 schoolgirls aged 8-12 says he's going to look into it. He is a very very sick man.

    What did Iran say after they slaughtered 40,000 in two weeks?
    They don’t matter as they weren’t killed by the US
    Ah. Yes. I forgot that. If you’re dead then it doesn’t matter unless the US or Israel did it. Thanks for enlightening me
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,876
    If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    AnneJGP said:

    If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.

    I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,270
    edited 5:23PM
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sky

    Israel's air force commander suggest special operations are not just in the air, but operating on the ground inside Iran

    As we saw 6 months ago, there are loads of Mossad agents in Iran. All those coordinated car bombs etc didn't plant themselves. Israel has the advantage that a sizable number of people fled Iran back in the day to Israel and they have been very big on ensuring their offspring speak Farsi and are prepared to go to Iran undercover, sometimes for many years.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,755
    Nul point unless you get shatner in there as well
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,013
    The Telegraph names the second man arrested on suspicion of spying for China as a lobbyist and former adviser to Welsh Labour

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2029237622334226833
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    williamglenn said:

    The Telegraph names the second man arrested on suspicion of spying for China as a lobbyist and former adviser to Welsh Labour

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2029237622334226833

    Corrupt, captured, compromised.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,270
    williamglenn said:

    The Telegraph names the second man arrested on suspicion of spying for China as a lobbyist and former adviser to Welsh Labour

    https://x.com/Tony_Diver/status/2029237622334226833

    Awks.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,386
    Why are Israeli so duplicious,,,,,,,find out here

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J1CHM5w95ew
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,981
    Roger said:

    Why are Israeli so duplicious,,,,,,,find out here

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J1CHM5w95ew

    Yeah, you can't trust a bignose
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,185
    https://x.com/i/status/2029207607567626606

    MPs taking war seriously today
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,103
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.

    I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
    Rayner has big support unite all wings

    Underrate her at your peril.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    Brixian59 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.

    I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
    Rayner has big support unite all wings

    Underrate her at your peril.
    I do not underrate her at all - she is not the answer our country needs
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,778
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.

    I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
    Unless he is carried out for medical or legal reasons, delay is always an option. It has several advantages as well- more time for someone to emerge from the lower ranks of the Cabinet, less time for the shiny new PM to lose their lustre before facing the voters.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,103
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    glw said:

    numbertwelve said:

    The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.

    I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.

    The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.

    Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
    Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
    6 0 starmer today

    She didn't deserve 0

    Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.

    Made

    Truss
    Corbyn
    IDS

    Look decent
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,441
    wooliedyed said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Finn Allen 100 off 33 balls. Sir Geoff will be having kittens.

    I refer the gentleman to the Gillette Cup Final 1965

    Yorks 317/4 60.0 Boycott G 146 (14x4 3x6)
    In my youth I saw Boycott hit a straight six. On the first day. Before lunch.
    Several members, both Yorkshire and Derbyshire, fainted.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    Stuartinromford said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.

    I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
    Unless he is carried out for medical or legal reasons, delay is always an option. It has several advantages as well- more time for someone to emerge from the lower ranks of the Cabinet, less time for the shiny new PM to lose their lustre before facing the voters.
    I am very disappointed in Starmer, but some of the names being put forward would make matters much worse and the country cannot afford yet another PM out of their depth
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,103
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AnneJGP said:

    If there's no replacement with wide support, perhaps they'd do best to leave him in place.

    I suggested that earlier but it may not be an option
    Rayner has big support unite all wings

    Underrate her at your peril.
    I do not underrate her at all - she is not the answer our country needs
    After today Badenoch certainly isn't

    Cleverly stoney faced
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,226
    Brixian59 said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    glw said:

    numbertwelve said:

    The single biggest failures of Starmer/Reeves has been lack of vision and lack of comms. Literally anyone who is able to articulate what they actually want to achieve in politics and how to tackle some of the problems in our system would be better than the current lot.

    I heard Starmer at PMQs and he is rubbish at speaking at the despatch box and answering the questions. Starmer shows no wit, no deftness, drones on, and his blaming the previous government is wearing very thin.

    The thing is I can't honestly think of anyone else in the party who would be better than Starmer, his failings are on the politics side of things, there might be better speakers, who would drum up enthusiasm, but their instincts and abilities to govern may well be worse.

    Maybe he should have a drink or two before appearing in public?
    Starmer had what I think is a new tactic today. He hijacked one of Kemi's questions to make the government announcement on evacuations that would normally have been a separate statement.
    6 0 starmer today

    She didn't deserve 0

    Worst Pmq performance I've ever seen.

    Made

    Truss
    Corbyn
    IDS

    Look decent
    Utterly predictable and you are not contributing to debate when you repetitively post such partisan clap trap

    Irrational hate sadly
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,662
    edited 5:45PM
    Kan as leader. Do.the Labour Party really want to commit hari kiri?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,499

    Shashank Joshi
    @shashj
    ·
    36m
    Remarkable spread of Iran war in days. You now have attacks not just in the Gulf & Israel, but also Cyprus & Turkey in the west & off Sri Lanka in the Indian Ocean in the east. Had an Iranian missile struck Turkey today, there is a good chance that Article Five would be invoked.

    https://x.com/shashj/status/2029242261603561609
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