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An update on Donald Trump’s chances on winning the Nobel Peace Prize – politicalbetting.com

The U.S. and Israel launched an attack on Iran, bringing war to the country for the second time in eight months. Follow live updates. https://t.co/jJHsb7gfE7

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,196
    edited 10:12AM
    World War III ?

    I think I’m going to the pub!
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,863
    Preventing TSE going on holiday would surely be worthy of such an award.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,806
    Sandpit said:

    World War III ?

    I think I’m going to the pub!

    2.5 probably
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,798
    Sandpit said:

    World War III ?

    Would need the Russians or Chinese to get involved. Putin is too tied up in Ukraine right now (one of the reasons why I think all this is taking place). We’ve got to hope China doesn’t take this moment to make a move on Taiwan, though.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,738

    Preventing TSE going on holiday would surely be worthy of such an award.

    It's been an uneventful holiday. I mean Andrew Mounbatten-Windsor and Lord Mandelson have been arrested, the Greens won a by-election for the first time, and now WAR!!!

    June 2023 was more eventful, Boris Johnson resigning as an MP, three other Tory MPs resigning as MPs too, then Nicola Sturgeon getting arrested, all in less than 48 hours.
    When on 1st March does your holiday end? am or pm?

    Wondering if it's worth going to the butchers to get something nice for Sunday lunch.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,566

    Preventing TSE going on holiday would surely be worthy of such an award.

    It's been an uneventful holiday. I mean Andrew Mounbatten-Windsor and Lord Mandelson have been arrested, the Greens won a by-election for the first time, and now WAR!!!

    June 2023 was more eventful, Boris Johnson resigning as an MP, three other Tory MPs resigning as MPs too, then Nicola Sturgeon getting arrested, all in less than 48 hours.
    When on 1st March does your holiday end? am or pm?

    Wondering if it's worth going to the butchers to get something nice for Sunday lunch.
    Around 2pm.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,701

    Sandpit said:

    World War III ?

    I think I’m going to the pub!

    2.5 probably
    I thought that was Ukraine ?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,991

    Preventing TSE going on holiday would surely be worthy of such an award.

    It's been an uneventful holiday. I mean Andrew Mounbatten-Windsor and Lord Mandelson have been arrested, the Greens won a by-election for the first time, and now WAR!!!

    June 2023 was more eventful, Boris Johnson resigning as an MP, three other Tory MPs resigning as MPs too, then Nicola Sturgeon getting arrested, all in less than 48 hours.
    When on 1st March does your holiday end? am or pm?

    Wondering if it's worth going to the butchers to get something nice for Sunday lunch.
    Around 2pm.
    Richard Burgon will announce his challenge at 1.59
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,566
    Just an FYI.

    When I am back in the office on Monday I will be booking a holiday from the 26th of June until the 3rd of August inclusive.

    First part of those holidays will be at home watching the knockout stages of the world cup then the second half a proper foreign holiday.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,701
    The AI wars have also broken out.

    Sam Altman is such an incredible backstabber, liar and traitor.

    While your competitor is taking a heroic and principled stand, you swoop in to make your deal. Imagine working for this guy - is there a greater shame?

    This should lead to a mass exodus from OpenAI.

    https://x.com/rcbregman/status/2027666766441148463
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,101
    FPT

    Iran is relatively defenceless in part because it cannot call on Russian support. Just like Venezuela. Any chance of Trump showing Ukraine some gratitude?

    As a side issue what is going on with Starlink? The Russians have clearly been set back with its loss but why has it been denied and why now? Musk personally? We live in a remarkably incurious age. I'm a staunch pessimist on Trump/Putin but if the former can be convinced that his best chance of continuing the grift runs through Kyiv then he might just switch sympathies.

    What happened with Starlink was this

    - the Russians were buying terminals in third countries and using them for communications.
    - The Ukrainians were using it on a vastly greater scale. They had both official terminals bought/donated via the government. They also had a huge mass of terminals used by the military that were privately purchased.
    - this meant that Ukraine as an area is full of Starlink terminals. With little idea of who owned what.
    - the Ukrainian government was working with Starlink to shut down Russian usage, but it was battling the hydra.
    - a whitelist of Ukrainian terminals was the obvious answer. And repeatedly suggests by Starlink.
    - But the Ukrainian government wasnt keen on this, since so many civilians used them. And those with private terminals in the military worried that registered terminals would be treated as property of the military and reassigned.
    - then the Russians started using them on drones, as the Ukranians have long been doing.
    - This was a big enough issue that the Ukrainian government gave in and setup the white list. Starlink immediately implemented the use of the list.
    - so any Starlink terminal that isn’t on the whitelist, in Ukraine, doesn’t work now.
    - this cut off both Russian drones and their use of it for Command, Control & Communications
    - It seems the later (C3) was in use more than even the Russian command realised.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,701

    Just an FYI.

    When I am back in the office on Monday I will be booking a holiday from the 26th of June until the 3rd of August inclusive.

    First part of those holidays will be at home watching the knockout stages of the world cup then the second half a proper foreign holiday.

    If you're in the US, the second half might be in an ICE camp.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,991
    https://x.com/i/status/2027666321815617591
    Diane not holding back on her views
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,871
    Sandpit said:

    World War III ?

    I think I’m going to the pub!

    I'm heading down to the Winchester* until it all blows over.
    * actually ten minutes from my house. But converted to flats.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,929
    If Trump is insistent on distraction from Epstein I'm glad the distraction has an Iranian flavour, opposed to a Greenlandic one.

    On an unrelated note, when is the remake of Threads due out?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,991
    maxh said:

    If Trump is insistent on distraction from Epstein I'm glad the distraction has an Iranian flavour, opposed to a Greenlandic one.

    On an unrelated note, when is the remake of Threads due out?

    Its the LARP Threads you want to be worried about
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,849
    maxh said:

    If Trump is insistent on distraction from Epstein I'm glad the distraction has an Iranian flavour, opposed to a Greenlandic one.

    On an unrelated note, when is the remake of Threads due out?

    The remake or the re-enactment?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,802

    https://x.com/i/status/2027666321815617591
    Diane not holding back on her views

    I sometimes quite like Diane Abbott and then she says something like that. Ugh

    This tacit or overt support for the satanic ayatollahs in Iran, simply because they oppose the USA, Israel, the West

    PUKE

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,647
    @aloner.bsky.social‬

    Israel's Channel 12 (a good indicator of official Israel lines/positions) is reporting that Israeli officials believe Khamenei, his advisors and those responsible for the nuclear programme have been assassinated (below in Hebrew)

    https://bsky.app/profile/aloner.bsky.social/post/3mfvzab7jlk2z
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,101

    Sandpit said:

    World War III ?

    I think I’m going to the pub!

    I'm heading down to the Winchester* until it all blows over.
    * actually ten minutes from my house. But converted to flats.
    No one has answer the Big Question

    If WWIII results in the nuclear destruction of Slough, turning it into an apocalyptic wasteland of radioactive mutant cannibal zombies - who pays the CGT on the uplift in commercial property prices?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,329
    FPT

    I'm a touch more skeptical on the motives side than some comments.

    Trump has never given a flying f*ck about who lives or dies if it is not him or his supporters, and he will not be starting now. If 500k civilians were killed, he would not give a hoot.

    I'd suggest he has 3 or 4 priorities:

    1 - His reputation, as he sees it.
    2 - His bank account, and enriching his family - whether legally or criminally.
    3 - Protecting himself, which means distracting from his programme to take away votes in the mid-terms from the 10-20 million people he is targeting from groups he think will collectively vote against him, which would stop his regime doing what he wants, and eventually lead to justice coming for him. Ditto the Epstein papers.
    4 - Maybe next getting on next week's front pages. The model of Trump as a man treating life as an attention-seeking competitor in a TV game show seems fair.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,196
    UAE Minstry of Defence:

    The UAE announces successful interception of several Iranian missiles targeting the country

    ‎The Ministry of Defense announced that the United Arab Emirates was subjected today to a brazen attack with Iranian ballistic missiles, which the UAE air defenses handled with the highest efficiency, successfully intercepting several of the missiles.

    ‎The relevant authorities in the country also dealt with the fallout of debris in a residential area in the city of Abu Dhabi, which resulted in some material damage and the death of an individual of Asian nationality.

    ‎The competent authorities confirm that the security situation in the country is under control, and all concerned parties are monitoring developments around the clock.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2027685238093279612
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,991
    Leon said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2027666321815617591
    Diane not holding back on her views

    I sometimes quite like Diane Abbott and then she says something like that. Ugh

    This tacit or overt support for the satanic ayatollahs in Iran, simply because they oppose the USA, Israel, the West

    PUKE

    We await the new Green MPs views with great anticipation
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,109
    He is nothing but consistent....

    The attacks on Iran by Israel and the United States are illegal, unprovoked and unjustifiable. Peace and diplomacy was possible. Instead, Israel and the United States chose war.

    This is the behaviour of rogue states — and they have jeopardised the safety of humankind around the world with this catastrophic act of aggression. Our government must condemn this flagrant breach of international law, and urgently pursue a foreign policy based on justice, sovereignty and peace.

    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/2027673013697552881?s=20
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,329
    OT: So, lay the second favourite.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,520
    Scott_xP said:

    @aloner.bsky.social‬

    Israel's Channel 12 (a good indicator of official Israel lines/positions) is reporting that Israeli officials believe Khamenei, his advisors and those responsible for the nuclear programme have been assassinated (below in Hebrew)

    https://bsky.app/profile/aloner.bsky.social/post/3mfvzab7jlk2z

    Wow, if true!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,566
    edited 10:32AM
    I've found the best footwear ever. Trainers that are loafers, loafers that are trainers. Bought a pair last night.




    https://www.flannels.com/new-balance-1906-loafer-114021#colcode=11402169
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,798
    Scott_xP said:

    @aloner.bsky.social‬

    Israel's Channel 12 (a good indicator of official Israel lines/positions) is reporting that Israeli officials believe Khamenei, his advisors and those responsible for the nuclear programme have been assassinated (below in Hebrew)

    https://bsky.app/profile/aloner.bsky.social/post/3mfvzab7jlk2z

    Huge if true
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,196

    Iran is relatively defenceless in part because it cannot call on Russian support. Just like Venezuela. Any chance of Trump showing Ukraine some gratitude?

    As a side issue what is going on with Starlink? The Russians have clearly been set back with its loss but why has it been denied and why now? Musk personally? We live in a remarkably incurious age. I'm a staunch pessimist on Trump/Putin but if the former can be convinced that his best chance of continuing the grift runs through Kyiv then he might just switch sympathies.

    What happened with Starlink was this

    - the Russians were buying terminals in third countries and using them for communications.
    - The Ukrainians were using it on a vastly greater scale. They had both official terminals bought/donated via the government. They also had a huge mass of terminals used by the military that were privately purchased.
    - this meant that Ukraine as an area is full of Starlink terminals. With little idea of who owned what.
    - the Ukrainian government was working with Starlink to shut down Russian usage, but it was battling the hydra.
    - a whitelist of Ukrainian terminals was the obvious answer. And repeatedly suggests by Starlink.
    - But the Ukrainian government wasnt keen on this, since so many civilians used them. And those with private terminals in the military worried that registered terminals would be treated as property of the military and reassigned.
    - then the Russians started using them on drones, as the Ukranians have long been doing.
    - This was a big enough issue that the Ukrainian government gave in and setup the white list. Starlink immediately implemented the use of the list.
    - so any Starlink terminal that isn’t on the whitelist, in Ukraine, doesn’t work now.
    - this cut off both Russian drones and their use of it for Command, Control & Communications
    - It seems the later (C3) was in use more than even the Russian command realised.
    Yes that’s spot on. It wasn’t until the Russians started putting Starlinks on drones they flew at Ukraine, that the Ukranians decided to work with SpaceX on the whitelist. No-one knew just how ingrained the systems were in the Russian military, and it appears that it was much more widespread than anyone had first thought.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,566
    Scott_xP said:

    @aloner.bsky.social‬

    Israel's Channel 12 (a good indicator of official Israel lines/positions) is reporting that Israeli officials believe Khamenei, his advisors and those responsible for the nuclear programme have been assassinated (below in Hebrew)

    https://bsky.app/profile/aloner.bsky.social/post/3mfvzab7jlk2z

    That's Shi'ite for Ayatollah Khameni.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,802
    Wow. Wow wow. Wow

    I did say last thread - maybe Trump and the Israelis have something really clever planned. À la Maduro

    Good riddance to these evil fucks if so

    Every man’s death diminishes me but in this case hahahaha
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,196

    Leon said:

    https://x.com/i/status/2027666321815617591
    Diane not holding back on her views

    I sometimes quite like Diane Abbott and then she says something like that. Ugh

    This tacit or overt support for the satanic ayatollahs in Iran, simply because they oppose the USA, Israel, the West

    PUKE

    We await the new Green MPs views with great anticipation
    No we don’t, we already know exactly what she’ll say.

    The bad guys are the UK, the US, and Israel, and anyone who opposes them are the good guys, even if they’re Islamist terrorists who murder tens of thousand of their own citizens.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,849

    Scott_xP said:

    @aloner.bsky.social‬

    Israel's Channel 12 (a good indicator of official Israel lines/positions) is reporting that Israeli officials believe Khamenei, his advisors and those responsible for the nuclear programme have been assassinated (below in Hebrew)

    https://bsky.app/profile/aloner.bsky.social/post/3mfvzab7jlk2z

    That's Shi'ite for Ayatollah Khameni.
    He was/is a great Shi’ite.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,863
    edited 10:42AM

    I've found the best footwear ever. Trainers that are loafers, loafers that are trainers. Bought a pair last night.




    https://www.flannels.com/new-balance-1906-loafer-114021#colcode=11402169

    I understand. You don't want the wrong kind of shoes to be left steaming on the pavement when we get vapourised. It might give a bad impression.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,082
    edited 10:42AM
    Leon said:

    Wow. Wow wow. Wow

    I did say last thread - maybe Trump and the Israelis have something really clever planned. À la Maduro

    Good riddance to these evil fucks if so

    Every man’s death diminishes me but in this case hahahaha

    It has been reported that this has been in the planning for months and the timing agreed for this weekend

    The US and Israel almost certainly know where these individuals are and precision strikes make sense

    The peace talks seem to have been a ruse to provide the time to get all their ducks in a row
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,802
    If Trump successfully takes down the Iranian regime we should make the Trumps the new royal family, replacing the Windsors, of a new Anglo-American kingdom
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,647

    I've found the best footwear ever. Trainers that are loafers, loafers that are trainers. Bought a pair last night.

    You bought shoes that are bad at 2 things simultaneously. Nice work.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,385
    I suppose Trump could argue if the US and Israeli strikes remove the Ayatollahs and their regime that could stop them supporting Shia militias around the Middle East and improve the chances of peace longer term
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,863
    Leon said:

    If Trump successfully takes down the Iranian regime we should make the Trumps the new royal family, replacing the Windsors, of a new Anglo-American kingdom

    And then arrest them, obvs.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,329
    edited 10:43AM
    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,802
    HYUFD said:

    I suppose Trump could argue if the US and Israeli strikes remove the Ayatollahs and their regime that could stop them supporting Shia militias around the Middle East and improve the chances of peace longer term

    Well, er, YES
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,082
    Leon said:

    If Trump successfully takes down the Iranian regime we should make the Trumps the new royal family, replacing the Windsors, of a new Anglo-American kingdom

    Steady on
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,647
    @PolitlcsUK

    🚨 UPDATE: The Foreign Office has issued urgent advice for British nationals in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2027695341244477467?s=20
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,647
    ...
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,806
    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK

    🚨 UPDATE: The Foreign Office has issued urgent advice for British nationals in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2027695341244477467?s=20

    Very helpful stuff that.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,646
    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,196
    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK

    🚨 UPDATE: The Foreign Office has issued urgent advice for British nationals in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2027695341244477467?s=20

    Shelter in pub.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,780
    Leon said:

    Wow. Wow wow. Wow

    I did say last thread - maybe Trump and the Israelis have something really clever planned. À la Maduro

    Good riddance to these evil fucks if so

    Every man’s death diminishes me but in this case hahahaha

    Is there much left to diminish?
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,500
    edited 10:52AM
    Jeremy Corbyn speaks

    Deleted, I see Francis beat me to it !
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,849

    Leon said:

    Wow. Wow wow. Wow

    I did say last thread - maybe Trump and the Israelis have something really clever planned. À la Maduro

    Good riddance to these evil fucks if so

    Every man’s death diminishes me but in this case hahahaha

    Is there much left to diminish?
    Leon is a man of many parts.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,520
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK

    🚨 UPDATE: The Foreign Office has issued urgent advice for British nationals in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2027695341244477467?s=20

    Shelter in pub.
    Stay safe!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,991
    edited 10:51AM
    Tories csll on the govt to allow use of bases in the strikes, Reform want us to be involved/support.
    Thornberry calls out the illegality of strikes
    Clear dividing lines emerging in the UK
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,806
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @PolitlcsUK

    🚨 UPDATE: The Foreign Office has issued urgent advice for British nationals in Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar and the UAE

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2027695341244477467?s=20

    Shelter in pub.
    Go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,082
    Flight radar is amazing with scores of flights far south or far north of the area, obviously hugely diverted
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,405

    He is nothing but consistent....

    The attacks on Iran by Israel and the United States are illegal, unprovoked and unjustifiable. Peace and diplomacy was possible. Instead, Israel and the United States chose war.

    This is the behaviour of rogue states — and they have jeopardised the safety of humankind around the world with this catastrophic act of aggression. Our government must condemn this flagrant breach of international law, and urgently pursue a foreign policy based on justice, sovereignty and peace.

    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/2027673013697552881?s=20

    Iran, of course, not a rogue state. Thanks Corbz.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,329
    edited 10:55AM
    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    I think that G&D, like Ashfield, is probably one of the places where that model can still work - functioning housing market, local community still a local community, and so on.

    But plumbers are the new aristocracy.

    I'm not totally sure about plumber + plasterer, other than both are fairly well-protected skills that are not going away - especially plasterer.

    Plumber + joiner or plumber + tiler would seem to have more synergy.

    My kitchen / bathroom / double glazing man started out as a joiner.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,520
    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    It's such bollocks. Yes, some people are struggling as has always been the case. But overall, we have higher living standards than ever before - and more people go on holiday than ever before.

    It's just the same as the Reform claims about broken Britain - and equally ridiculous.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,759
    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,959

    I've found the best footwear ever. Trainers that are loafers, loafers that are trainers. Bought a pair last night.




    https://www.flannels.com/new-balance-1906-loafer-114021#colcode=11402169

    So you can wear them for a marathon, and to the after-party afterwards.

    New Balance are a well regarded running shoe brand, but have got a bit sidelined as the big boys got ahead of them with carbon fibre (and other) tech
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,082

    Tories csll on the govt to allow use of bases in the strikes, Reform want us to be involved/support.
    Thornberry calls out the illegality of strikes
    Clear dividing lines emerging in the UK

    As if Starmer wasn't in trouble enough his head will be spinning
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,959
    I hope this doesn't go on too long, as in 2 weeks I am supposed to be flying to HCMC via Doha, and Qatar have currently cancelled all flights
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,871
    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    I'm sorry is this meant to be a serious point or is it some kind of deep satire I am too thick to understand? Is the fact that she can afford to spend £205 on a ticket to a festival (that she may have saved for by putting aside £4/week) meant to demonstrate that she is some vile hypocrite? I'm struggling to see it.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,724

    https://x.com/i/status/2027666321815617591
    Diane not holding back on her views

    She may not be wrong.

    But it’s not clear that it’s US-Israel that’s at fault.

    I suspect that a deal was close so Netanyahu acted unilaterally and relied on Trump being afraid of “losing face” and/or “not standing with Israel” to drag the US in.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,420

    Flight radar is amazing with scores of flights far south or far north of the area, obviously hugely diverted

    Down for me unfortunately...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,647

    New Balance are a well regarded running shoe brand, but have got a bit sidelined as the big boys got ahead of them with carbon fibre (and other) tech

    Haven't seen Crazy, Stupid Love then
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,614
    Leon said:

    Wow. Wow wow. Wow

    I did say last thread - maybe Trump and the Israelis have something really clever planned. À la Maduro

    Good riddance to these evil fucks if so

    Every man’s death diminishes me but in this case hahahaha

    I won’t be shedding any tears for them.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,082
    MattW said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    I think that G&D, like Ashfield, is probably one of the places where that model can still work - functioning housing market, local community still a local community, and so on.

    But plumbers are the new aristocracy.

    I'm not totally sure about plumber + plasterer, other than both are fairly well-protected skills that are not going away - especially plasterer.

    Plumber + joiner or plumber + tiler would seem to have more synergy.

    My kitchen / bathroom / double glazing man started out as a joiner.
    My understanding is she installs heat pumps but is not gas safe registered

    She is a very interesting individual and if labour think they will regain the seat, they may well be very wrong
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,871
    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Where is her flat cap? Where is the whippet and the pint of mild? Can you imagine, a working class person who likes music! How ludicrous.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,646
    @MattW - yes, whether it was by design or not, she has done very well for herself by not going to university.

    @ThomasNashe - agreed. Glastonbury etc. not my scene; however, there is huge demand for attending football matches in person even with more and more on television.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,724
    Sandpit said:

    UAE Minstry of Defence:

    The UAE announces successful interception of several Iranian missiles targeting the country

    ‎The Ministry of Defense announced that the United Arab Emirates was subjected today to a brazen attack with Iranian ballistic missiles, which the UAE air defenses handled with the highest efficiency, successfully intercepting several of the missiles.

    ‎The relevant authorities in the country also dealt with the fallout of debris in a residential area in the city of Abu Dhabi, which resulted in some material damage and the death of an individual of Asian nationality.

    ‎The competent authorities confirm that the security situation in the country is under control, and all concerned parties are monitoring developments around the clock.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2027685238093279612

    Is that “material damage in the sense of “physical damage” or “lots of damage”?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,724

    Scott_xP said:

    @aloner.bsky.social‬

    Israel's Channel 12 (a good indicator of official Israel lines/positions) is reporting that Israeli officials believe Khamenei, his advisors and those responsible for the nuclear programme have been assassinated (below in Hebrew)

    https://bsky.app/profile/aloner.bsky.social/post/3mfvzab7jlk2z

    That's Shi'ite for Ayatollah Khameni.
    And Sunni for everyone else
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,991
    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Shes another 'working class' cosplayer
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,329
    Boy, 11, wins campaign for new UK child cruelty register

    An 11-year-old boy who had both legs amputated after being assaulted by his birth parents has won his campaign for a new child safety register.

    Parents guilty of neglect will face similar monitoring to sex offenders following an amendment to the Crime and Policing Bill, which the government said it expects to table "shortly".

    The announcement follows a campaign by Tony Hudgell and his adoptive mum Paula, from West Malling in Kent.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3gxkn453ro
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,724
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    The last one is quite funny
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,646

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Shes another 'working class' cosplayer
    Wiki tells us her mum was a nurse. No mention of her father. Sounds like she perhaps didn't apply herself at school; however, that is actually a good thing to a certain extent.

    My big fear is that the middle classes suss out that university is a con and have the confidence to tell their kids not to bother. Not saying that's what's happened with her, but it's worked out well for her.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,724
    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    May be she saved £5 per week towards it and it was her one treat of the year
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,871

    MattW said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    I think that G&D, like Ashfield, is probably one of the places where that model can still work - functioning housing market, local community still a local community, and so on.

    But plumbers are the new aristocracy.

    I'm not totally sure about plumber + plasterer, other than both are fairly well-protected skills that are not going away - especially plasterer.

    Plumber + joiner or plumber + tiler would seem to have more synergy.

    My kitchen / bathroom / double glazing man started out as a joiner.
    My understanding is she installs heat pumps but is not gas safe registered

    She is a very interesting individual and if labour think they will regain the seat, they may well be very wrong
    She seems to have got a certain male demographic on PB very hot under the collar. I wish Labour had won in G&D and don't much care for the Greens who are peddling easy solutions to complex problems but this young woman seems quite impressive and a decent person. She reminds me a bit of Maihri Black and I expect like her she will become disillusioned with Westminster politics quite quickly.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,759

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Where is her flat cap? Where is the whippet and the pint of mild? Can you imagine, a working class person who likes music! How ludicrous.
    Where is her second home? Where is the posh village she was brought up in? Where are her company's end of year tax receipts?!

    Well done to her for winning, and she may turn out to be a fabulous politician, but there is no need to pretend she is something she isn't.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,759

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Shes another 'working class' cosplayer
    As working class as Damon Albarn is cockney
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,196

    Sandpit said:

    UAE Minstry of Defence:

    The UAE announces successful interception of several Iranian missiles targeting the country

    ‎The Ministry of Defense announced that the United Arab Emirates was subjected today to a brazen attack with Iranian ballistic missiles, which the UAE air defenses handled with the highest efficiency, successfully intercepting several of the missiles.

    ‎The relevant authorities in the country also dealt with the fallout of debris in a residential area in the city of Abu Dhabi, which resulted in some material damage and the death of an individual of Asian nationality.

    ‎The competent authorities confirm that the security situation in the country is under control, and all concerned parties are monitoring developments around the clock.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2027685238093279612

    Is that “material damage in the sense of “physical damage” or “lots of damage”?
    It’s translated from Arabic, it means there was some damage.

    AIUI air defences were activated and took out a number of incoming missiles, damage was caused by falling debris rather than from explosions on the ground.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,780
    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    She certainly seems get the Men of the Right all steamed up.

  • isamisam Posts: 43,759
    edited 11:08AM

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    She certainly seems get the Men of the Right all steamed up.

    Not really. I just don't get why people have to pretend she is something she clearly isn't. There is nothing wrong with being middle class.

    It is lazy dismiss the inconvenient truth as a fault of people who notice it
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,500

    Tories csll on the govt to allow use of bases in the strikes, Reform want us to be involved/support.
    Thornberry calls out the illegality of strikes
    Clear dividing lines emerging in the UK

    Pro and Anti Mullah.

    The Greens are also very pro Iran.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,991
    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Shes another 'working class' cosplayer
    Wiki tells us her mum was a nurse. No mention of her father. Sounds like she perhaps didn't apply herself at school; however, that is actually a good thing to a certain extent.

    My big fear is that the middle classes suss out that university is a con and have the confidence to tell their kids not to bother. Not saying that's what's happened with her, but it's worked out well for her.
    Shes been very successful. Shes much more an advert for Thatcherism than the 4 Yorkshiremen garbage
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,388
    This is going to end so well.

  • TazTaz Posts: 25,500
    isam said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Shes another 'working class' cosplayer
    As working class as Damon Albarn is cockney
    Or Jamie Oliver !!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,991
    Taz said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Shes another 'working class' cosplayer
    As working class as Damon Albarn is cockney
    Or Jamie Oliver !!
    Tbf to Oliver, hes an Essex boy rather than Albarns Dick Van Dyke efforts
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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,780

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    I'm sorry is this meant to be a serious point or is it some kind of deep satire I am too thick to understand? Is the fact that she can afford to spend £205 on a ticket to a festival (that she may have saved for by putting aside £4/week) meant to demonstrate that she is some vile hypocrite? I'm struggling to see it.
    Know thy place working class women of the north, pints of snakebite, Corrie on catchup and karaoke on Fridays.
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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,646

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    She certainly seems get the Men of the Right all steamed up.

    I think she's great. She's what Angela Rayner likes to think she is.

    (this assumes Hannah Spencer is a genuine working class girl, which I'm not 100% sure of)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,815

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    She certainly seems get the Men of the Right all steamed up.

    She'll certainly brighten up the HoC! And while her acceptance speech overstated it somewhat, there was a lot of truth in what she said.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,802

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    May be she saved £5 per week towards it and it was her one treat of the year
    I think we have identified @Heathener

    She saved the $205 by putting spare hot water in her thermos
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,198
    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    Those wellies Hunter or Barbour, I can't quite see.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,329

    isam said:

    tlg86 said:

    MattW said:

    For anyone not up with fashion, Hannah Spencer now MP, at Glasto, in 2011:



    "At home, a lot of girls dress the same way. It's boring. I pretty much dress like this all the time. People always get a shock when I turn up to their door to fix something. I work with lots of fortysomething men and they probably just think I'm a bit weird."

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013/jul/01/glastonbury-2013-best-dressed-in-pictures

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/27/hannah-spencer-victory-speech-green-byelection

    I am no different to every single person here in this constituency. I work hard. That’s what we do.

    Except things have changed a lot over the last few decades. Because working hard used to get you something. It got you a house. A nice life. Holidays. It got you somewhere.

    But now – working hard? What does that get you? Because talk to anyone here and they’ll tell you. The people who work hard but can’t put food on the table. Can’t get their kids school uniforms. Can’t put their heating on. Can’t live off the pension they worked hard to save for. Can’t even begin to dream about ever having a holiday. Ever. Because life has changed.


    Well, she was able to cough up the £205 to go to Glastonbury.
    She seems to be a middle class man’s wet dream of what a working class girl is
    Shes another 'working class' cosplayer
    Why do you think a plumber who left school at 16 is cosplaying "working class"?
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