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Suspension of Matt Goodwin campaign manager (due to alleged racism and antisemitism) confirmed – www.bbc.co.uk/news/article…

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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,264
    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,017
    FPT...

    https://x.com/EliAfriatISR/status/2026348803121389959

    Turkey is preparing for a scenario of regime collapse in Iran - and is even considering entering Iranian territory to stop an influx of refugees in the event of government chaos.

    -Bloomberg.

    Yes, Mr Erdoğan, you're putting troops in another country to stop an influx of refugees. Of course you are.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 526

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,801

    FPT...

    https://x.com/EliAfriatISR/status/2026348803121389959

    Turkey is preparing for a scenario of regime collapse in Iran - and is even considering entering Iranian territory to stop an influx of refugees in the event of government chaos.

    -Bloomberg.

    Yes, Mr Erdoğan, you're putting troops in another country to stop an influx of refugees. Of course you are.
    From what's been reported, it sounds as though an Iran government in chaos would be a vast improvement for its citizens, so less likelihood of refugees.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,308
    The last president to retain unified control of US government (ie both houses) in a midterm was...

    Jimmy Carter.

    Ron Brownstein (CNN analyst)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,818
    Reform third is the popcorn result
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,308

    Reform third is the popcorn result

    Goodwin returns to his substack and the world breaths a sign of relief?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,818

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    I don't get it. Labour is f*cking screaming value at 7.
    It is if you believe Labour's canvass reports
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,499
    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,308
    edited 5:45PM
    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    I'm already on at 7.

    I might top up further this evening.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,818
    edited 5:46PM

    Reform third is the popcorn result

    Goodwin returns to his substack and the world breaths a sign of relief?
    And Jenrick starts the coup. 'New direction needed'
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 776
    I'm reliably told that the comments on Politics UK Twitter feed attributed to the Labour General Secretary are a work of absolute and utter fiction.

    Reading it, it certainly seems fake.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,956
    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,264
    Big Brother is coming for pb (hat-tip two reddit threads and some searching on parliament.uk).

    Incest porn to be banned, including stepmoms:-

    Possession or publication of pornographic images of sex between relatives
    ...
    That is to say, A being related to B as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.
    ...
    “parent” includes an adoptive parent

    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/65033/documents/7901

    Age verification mandated:-

    by regulations made by statutory instrument require all regulated user-to-user services to use highly- [sic]effective age assurance measures to prevent children under the age of 16 from becoming or being users.
    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/64773/documents/7791
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,956
    Brixian59 said:

    I'm reliably told that the comments on Politics UK Twitter feed attributed to the Labour General Secretary are a work of absolute and utter fiction.

    Reading it, it certainly seems fake.

    You are just learning twitter contains fake news - really !!!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,499

    Big Brother is coming for pb (hat-tip two reddit threads and some searching on parliament.uk).

    Incest porn to be banned, including stepmoms:-

    Possession or publication of pornographic images of sex between relatives
    ...
    That is to say, A being related to B as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.
    ...
    “parent” includes an adoptive parent

    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/65033/documents/7901

    Age verification mandated:-

    by regulations made by statutory instrument require all regulated user-to-user services to use highly- [sic]effective age assurance measures to prevent children under the age of 16 from becoming or being users.
    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/64773/documents/7791

    Stepmoms aren't blood relatives, so it's not incest
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,499
    The Times.

    Why we do not allow comments on our stories about Andrew

    Legal constraints, not deference, explain why comments are disabled on stories about the arrest of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor


    https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/comments-feedback-andrew-9rkxvzjf2
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,020
    Apparently the alleged comments were taken out of context !

    Not sure how when you read them !
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 776

    Brixian59 said:

    I'm reliably told that the comments on Politics UK Twitter feed attributed to the Labour General Secretary are a work of absolute and utter fiction.

    Reading it, it certainly seems fake.

    You are just learning twitter contains fake news - really !!!!!
    I haven't been on Twitter since Musk bought it.

    It's full of Tory and Reform spin.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,264
    edited 5:57PM

    Big Brother is coming for pb (hat-tip two reddit threads and some searching on parliament.uk).

    Incest porn to be banned, including stepmoms:-

    Possession or publication of pornographic images of sex between relatives
    ...
    That is to say, A being related to B as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.
    ...
    “parent” includes an adoptive parent

    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/65033/documents/7901

    Age verification mandated:-

    by regulations made by statutory instrument require all regulated user-to-user services to use highly- [sic]effective age assurance measures to prevent children under the age of 16 from becoming or being users.
    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/64773/documents/7791

    Stepmoms aren't blood relatives, so it's not incest
    I think the line about adoptive parents is intended to cover that loophole.

    ETA also:-
    Member's explanatory statement
    This amendment would extend the definition of extreme pornographic images to cover pornographic content that depicts unlawful sexual activities between family members, as proscribed by the Sexual Offences Act 2003. This includes specific blood relationships, foster parents and some step-family relationships. It does not cover the depiction of sexual activity that would be lawful to undertake between adults.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,017

    Big Brother is coming for pb (hat-tip two reddit threads and some searching on parliament.uk).

    Incest porn to be banned, including stepmoms:-

    Possession or publication of pornographic images of sex between relatives
    ...
    That is to say, A being related to B as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.
    ...
    “parent” includes an adoptive parent

    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/65033/documents/7901

    Age verification mandated:-

    by regulations made by statutory instrument require all regulated user-to-user services to use highly- [sic]effective age assurance measures to prevent children under the age of 16 from becoming or being users.
    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/64773/documents/7791

    Stepmoms aren't blood relatives, so it's not incest
    I think the line about adoptive parents is intended to cover that loophole.
    Stepparents aren’t adoptive parents…?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,956
    Jon Craig on Sky, following Yvette Cooper's interview with Beth Rigby, said she opposed Mandelson's appointment as did her predecessor, David Lammy, and the cabinet minutes of these meetings could be very revealing of who agreed with Cooper and Lammy
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 776

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,264

    Jon Craig on Sky, following Yvette Cooper's interview with Beth Rigby, said she opposed Mandelson's appointment as did her predecessor, David Lammy, and the cabinet minutes of these meetings could be very revealing of who agreed with Cooper and Lammy

    I still reckon Mandelson orchestrated the removal of Lammy as Foreign Secretary.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,956
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I'm reliably told that the comments on Politics UK Twitter feed attributed to the Labour General Secretary are a work of absolute and utter fiction.

    Reading it, it certainly seems fake.

    You are just learning twitter contains fake news - really !!!!!
    I haven't been on Twitter since Musk bought it.

    It's full of Tory and Reform spin.
    So you are quoting hearsay
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,366

    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
    So...

    Labour - supporters disillusioned, getting hammered in the press, midterm byelection
    Green - surge of support with the young, motivated
    Reform - supporters trend older, motivated, oblivious to negative press reports

    Labour going to struggle with turnout and punishment beating
    Green might underperform as their supporters fail to vote
    Reform voters will turnout

    So sadly, I'd suggest Reform are value
    and Labour are talking up their chances to keep their campaigners motivated

    Anyone on Labour should be ready to cash-out at any point on Thursday
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,264
    Speaking of intrusive age verification, my investment trust has just emailed an AML demand to download an app and upload my passport despite my having added no more funds for the last six years.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,281
    edited 6:05PM
    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

    North west

    The rest I agree with.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,956
    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

    Quite the opposite

    Rayner and Burnham are closely aligned and continue to pose a threat to Starmer
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,947
    Dopermean said:

    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
    So...

    Labour - supporters disillusioned, getting hammered in the press, midterm byelection
    Green - surge of support with the young, motivated
    Reform - supporters trend older, motivated, oblivious to negative press reports

    Labour going to struggle with turnout and punishment beating
    Green might underperform as their supporters fail to vote
    Reform voters will turnout

    So sadly, I'd suggest Reform are value
    and Labour are talking up their chances to keep their campaigners motivated

    Anyone on Labour should be ready to cash-out at any point on Thursday
    I reckon Labour are value at 7. But not by much.

    My estimation of the result hasn't changed much since the start of the campaign - roughly 50% chance Green win, 30% chance Reform, 20% chance Lab

    The mood music atm does seem less disaatrous for Labour than it was in the middle of Burnham Interruptus four weeks ago. But too much can be read into mood music.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,499
    Dopermean said:

    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
    So...

    Labour - supporters disillusioned, getting hammered in the press, midterm byelection
    Green - surge of support with the young, motivated
    Reform - supporters trend older, motivated, oblivious to negative press reports

    Labour going to struggle with turnout and punishment beating
    Green might underperform as their supporters fail to vote
    Reform voters will turnout

    So sadly, I'd suggest Reform are value
    and Labour are talking up their chances to keep their campaigners motivated

    Anyone on Labour should be ready to cash-out at any point on Thursday
    I said last night my expectation is a Reform victory thanks to a split left vote.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 776

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

    Quite the opposite

    Rayner and Burnham are closely aligned and continue to pose a threat to Starmer
    You make my point perfectly

    She's told him to get his men out. Now is not the time and if he thinks he's walking back in to Westminster to get Leaders job he's got to get past her and 4 or 5 others first.

    Burnham will never be Labour leader.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,220
    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 776

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

    North west

    The rest I agree with.

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

    North west

    The rest I agree with.
    North west of course
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,119
    Roger said:

    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg

    "He's a Willen, Sir and no mistake..."
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,800
    edited 6:14PM
    Dopermean said:

    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
    So...

    Labour - supporters disillusioned, getting hammered in the press, midterm byelection
    Green - surge of support with the young, motivated
    Reform - supporters trend older, motivated, oblivious to negative press reports

    Labour going to struggle with turnout and punishment beating
    Green might underperform as their supporters fail to vote
    Reform voters will turnout

    So sadly, I'd suggest Reform are value
    and Labour are talking up their chances to keep their campaigners motivated

    Anyone on Labour should be ready to cash-out at any point on Thursday
    I just struggle to see how Reform wins this seat:

    - 2024 result: combined Tory-Reform vote of 22% versus Labour-Green vote of 64%
    - 2019 notional results: combined Tory-Brexit vote of 24% versus Labour-Green vote of 70%

    Laying Reform seems the best value to me.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,956
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

    Quite the opposite

    Rayner and Burnham are closely aligned and continue to pose a threat to Starmer
    You make my point perfectly

    She's told him to get his men out. Now is not the time and if he thinks he's walking back in to Westminster to get Leaders job he's got to get past her and 4 or 5 others first.

    Burnham will never be Labour leader.
    What is this she told him to get his men out

    You do know there are several high profile women including Rayner, Powell and Nandy canvassing with Burnham

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,977
    Roger said:

    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg

    You can’t libel the dead, but it’s a bit rude to compare the work of the late Leni “I knew nothing” Riefenstahl to the Reform campaign

    “Triumph des Willens” was a masterpiece of composition, planning and organisation. Whereas Reform is a pile of incompetence mixed with chaos.

    Sure there’s the small matter of about 50 million dead people, because of the subject of Leni’s opus. But art excuses - isn’t that your take, incidently?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,681

    Big Brother is coming for pb (hat-tip two reddit threads and some searching on parliament.uk).

    Incest porn to be banned, including stepmoms:-

    Possession or publication of pornographic images of sex between relatives
    ...
    That is to say, A being related to B as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.
    ...
    “parent” includes an adoptive parent

    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/65033/documents/7901

    Age verification mandated:-

    by regulations made by statutory instrument require all regulated user-to-user services to use highly- [sic]effective age assurance measures to prevent children under the age of 16 from becoming or being users.
    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/64773/documents/7791

    I wonder why they didn’t go for “cousin”
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,129
    Ratters said:

    Dopermean said:

    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
    So...

    Labour - supporters disillusioned, getting hammered in the press, midterm byelection
    Green - surge of support with the young, motivated
    Reform - supporters trend older, motivated, oblivious to negative press reports

    Labour going to struggle with turnout and punishment beating
    Green might underperform as their supporters fail to vote
    Reform voters will turnout

    So sadly, I'd suggest Reform are value
    and Labour are talking up their chances to keep their campaigners motivated

    Anyone on Labour should be ready to cash-out at any point on Thursday
    I just struggle to see how Reform wins this seat:

    - 2024 result: combined Tory-Reform vote of 22% versus Labour-Green vote of 64%
    - 2019 notional results: combined Tory-Brexit vote of 24% versus Labour-Green vote of 70%

    Laying Reform seems the best value to me.
    The polling indicates otherwise - multiple polls. Reform do seem to be taking some punches, but I don't think they can be ruled out.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,549

    Reform third is the popcorn result

    Greens third would be grimly entertaining given that they're the favourites, but Labour third is only properly funny if they fall below 10% of the vote.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,020
    Ratters said:

    Dopermean said:

    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
    So...

    Labour - supporters disillusioned, getting hammered in the press, midterm byelection
    Green - surge of support with the young, motivated
    Reform - supporters trend older, motivated, oblivious to negative press reports

    Labour going to struggle with turnout and punishment beating
    Green might underperform as their supporters fail to vote
    Reform voters will turnout

    So sadly, I'd suggest Reform are value
    and Labour are talking up their chances to keep their campaigners motivated

    Anyone on Labour should be ready to cash-out at any point on Thursday
    I just struggle to see how Reform wins this seat:

    - 2024 result: combined Tory-Reform vote of 22% versus Labour-Green vote of 64%
    - 2019 notional results: combined Tory-Brexit vote of 24% versus Labour-Green vote of 70%

    Laying Reform seems the best value to me.
    It’s possible if there’s a split on the left combined with some of those Labour voters who have moved to Reform .

    I really hope not !
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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,977

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

    Quite the opposite

    Rayner and Burnham are closely aligned and continue to pose a threat to Starmer
    You make my point perfectly

    She's told him to get his men out. Now is not the time and if he thinks he's walking back in to Westminster to get Leaders job he's got to get past her and 4 or 5 others first.

    Burnham will never be Labour leader.
    What is this she told him to get his men out

    You do know there are several high profile women including Rayner, Powell and Nandy canvassing with Burnham

    My understanding is that Burnham contacted the Labour candidate immediately after her selection to offer his services to her campaign.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,549
    Ratters said:

    Dopermean said:

    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
    So...

    Labour - supporters disillusioned, getting hammered in the press, midterm byelection
    Green - surge of support with the young, motivated
    Reform - supporters trend older, motivated, oblivious to negative press reports

    Labour going to struggle with turnout and punishment beating
    Green might underperform as their supporters fail to vote
    Reform voters will turnout

    So sadly, I'd suggest Reform are value
    and Labour are talking up their chances to keep their campaigners motivated

    Anyone on Labour should be ready to cash-out at any point on Thursday
    I just struggle to see how Reform wins this seat:

    - 2024 result: combined Tory-Reform vote of 22% versus Labour-Green vote of 64%
    - 2019 notional results: combined Tory-Brexit vote of 24% versus Labour-Green vote of 70%

    Laying Reform seems the best value to me.
    The combined Tory-Reform vote is up 9pp in the opinion polls since the general election, which would take them to 31% here. Plus it's a by-election, so swings can be exaggerated.

    If Reform can only get to 30% at most then I think a split Labour/Green vote sees Reform finish third. If they can make it up to 35%, then it starts to get much more likely for them.

    I think they're right on the cusp, which is what makes it hard to call. That and we have no idea whether the Greens can win a by-election campaign. We know that if it was the Lib Dems in their position they would likely have it sewn up.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355
    Roger said:

    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg

    Indeed. Anti semitism is usually the preserve of the left.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,020

    Ratters said:

    Dopermean said:

    DoctorG said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    Labour out to 8.2 on betfair now.

    As stupid as it sounds given the background to the by election, there could be value in this. A three way split is not beyond probability
    Yup.
    So...

    Labour - supporters disillusioned, getting hammered in the press, midterm byelection
    Green - surge of support with the young, motivated
    Reform - supporters trend older, motivated, oblivious to negative press reports

    Labour going to struggle with turnout and punishment beating
    Green might underperform as their supporters fail to vote
    Reform voters will turnout

    So sadly, I'd suggest Reform are value
    and Labour are talking up their chances to keep their campaigners motivated

    Anyone on Labour should be ready to cash-out at any point on Thursday
    I just struggle to see how Reform wins this seat:

    - 2024 result: combined Tory-Reform vote of 22% versus Labour-Green vote of 64%
    - 2019 notional results: combined Tory-Brexit vote of 24% versus Labour-Green vote of 70%

    Laying Reform seems the best value to me.
    The combined Tory-Reform vote is up 9pp in the opinion polls since the general election, which would take them to 31% here. Plus it's a by-election, so swings can be exaggerated.

    If Reform can only get to 30% at most then I think a split Labour/Green vote sees Reform finish third. If they can make it up to 35%, then it starts to get much more likely for them.

    I think they're right on the cusp, which is what makes it hard to call. That and we have no idea whether the Greens can win a by-election campaign. We know that if it was the Lib Dems in their position they would likely have it sewn up.
    Relying on younger people to turn out to vote is fraught with danger !
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,264
    Reddit fined more than £14m over children's privacy failures
    https://news.sky.com/story/reddit-fined-14m-by-information-commisioners-office-over-age-verification-checks-13511472

    Lack of age verification means all users could be under 13!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 776

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    I suspect this news has come too late for this by election including postal votes

    However, I hope Goodwin is soundly beaten either by labour or the greens

    If labour hang on it will because of Andy Burnham's commitment and canvassing

    I'm glad the big ego has come to his senses and shown some contrition.

    Had he have stood in Gorton it's 50 50 he would have won.

    Had the Mayorality come up Labour would have lost to Reform. That would be a disaster for the North East.

    I hope Burnham has learnt his lesson. There is no I in team.

    I suspect Ms Rayner has read him the riot act.

    Quite the opposite

    Rayner and Burnham are closely aligned and continue to pose a threat to Starmer
    You make my point perfectly

    She's told him to get his men out. Now is not the time and if he thinks he's walking back in to Westminster to get Leaders job he's got to get past her and 4 or 5 others first.

    Burnham will never be Labour leader.
    What is this she told him to get his men out

    You do know there are several high profile women including Rayner, Powell and Nandy canvassing with Burnham

    You do have a habit of stating the patently bloody obvious as if it's a scoop...

    Powell has been at the forefront of the campaign
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,128
    edited 6:34PM
    I think the Greens have the most at stake in this by-election. It's expected they'll win it and if they do they've arrived. The Polanski polling surge isn't froth, it's real people prepared to vote for them in size. They can target a big seat total at the GE. But if they fall short, and esp if they aren't close, it could all fade away like chalk in the rain.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,423
    I think I mentioned the issue with this campaign manager before?

    If the Green's candidate's interesting explanation for the Manchester Arena bombing has any traction perhaps Labour does have a chance after all?

  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355
    Putting aside the usual partisan fake anger One has to question the professionalism of the Reform outfit in who they select for high profile roles.

    Opposition parties will be all over their social media looking for stuff like this as will Reform over their opponents.

    The wider concern I have with them is how would they ensure no repetition when selecting candidates to win over 300 seats in a General Election. How could anyone be guaranteed that their candidate is not another wrong un. The other parties have their duds Jared O’Mara or that Tory in Bridgend. But they are generally the exception not the rule.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,549
    Taz said:

    Putting aside the usual partisan fake anger One has to question the professionalism of the Reform outfit in who they select for high profile roles.

    Opposition parties will be all over their social media looking for stuff like this as will Reform over their opponents.

    The wider concern I have with them is how would they ensure no repetition when selecting candidates to win over 300 seats in a General Election. How could anyone be guaranteed that their candidate is not another wrong un. The other parties have their duds Jared O’Mara or that Tory in Bridgend. But they are generally the exception not the rule.

    If Reform ruled out everyone who had said something offensive on social media then they wouldn't be able find 300 people to be candidates in their most winnable seats, let alone 632 for all of GB, and another 632 to be agents/campaign managers, etc.

    What surprises me here is that they've suspended this guy instead of simply brazening it out.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,598
    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,748
    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2026361902247321633

    CIA Director John Ratcliffe will join Marco Rubio at the classified briefing today in Congress on Iran-AXIOS

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2026363559232327850

    Trump will talk about his plans for Iran during his State of the Union address to Congress-Reuters
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,979
    edited 6:41PM
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg

    Indeed. Anti semitism is usually the preserve of the left.
    Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany were of the left?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,128
    Taz said:

    Putting aside the usual partisan fake anger One has to question the professionalism of the Reform outfit in who they select for high profile roles.

    Opposition parties will be all over their social media looking for stuff like this as will Reform over their opponents.

    The wider concern I have with them is how would they ensure no repetition when selecting candidates to win over 300 seats in a General Election. How could anyone be guaranteed that their candidate is not another wrong un. The other parties have their duds Jared O’Mara or that Tory in Bridgend. But they are generally the exception not the rule.

    It's one of their biggest risk areas. Maybe bigger than policy.

    You know that ubiquitous corporate cliche that "our strength is our people"?

    It's rather the opposite here.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,083
    edited 6:42PM
    kinabalu said:

    I think the Greens have the most at stake in this by-election. It's expected they'll win it and if they do they've arrived. The Polanski polling surge isn't froth, it's real people prepared to vote for them in size. They can target a big seat total at the GE. But if they fall short, and esp if they aren't close, it could all fade away like chalk in the rain.

    Yeah, they've hyped it up, so it will be viewed as a failure if they don't win. The candidate is fairly unimpressive and can barely string a sentence together, and Zack P bottled the chance to stand - in a serious political party this would leave people asking questions, but it is the Greens, so nothing will happen.

    Does sound like Lab have poured all the resources into the area, and they've been hitting up Denton particularly hard to try and pull back the voters. The King of The North has been out and about several times, so they must feel like they'll hold on.

    The most amusing result would be:

    1. Lab with a tiny majority
    2. RefUK
    3. Grn
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,119
    edited 6:44PM
    How rubbish are we as predictors? There is no concensus on who will come first, second or third.

    So, which of outcomes A - F do people think will be the final outcome on Friday?

    A 1. Green 2 Reform 3 Labour

    B 1. Green 2 Labour 3 Reform

    C 1. Reform 2 Labour 3 Green

    D 1. Reform 2 Green 3 Labour

    E 1. Labour 2 Green 3 Reform

    F 1 Labour 2 Reform 3 Green

    My punt is B, but no more than a punt.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355
    Reform’s Richard Tice has his eyes on Public Sector pensions.

    Namely the cash.

    Yet another looking at raiding pensions to invest in ‘backing Britain’

    These fuckers are all the same

    Leave well alone.

    https://x.com/ticerichard/status/2026302530943082550?s=61
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,850

    How rubbish are we as predictors? There is no concensus on who will come first, second or third.

    So, which of outcomes A - F do people think will be the final outcome on Friday?

    A 1. Green 2 Reform 3 Labour

    B 1. Green 2 Labour 3 Reform

    C 1. Reform 2 Labour 3 Green

    D 1. Reform 2 Green 3 Labour

    E 1. Green 2. Labour 3 Reform

    F 1 Green 2 Reform 3 Labour

    My punt is B, but no more than a punt.

    Mine too.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,579
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg

    Indeed. Anti semitism is usually the preserve of the left.
    You mean like National SOCIALIST Adolf Hitler.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355
    edited 6:43PM

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg

    Indeed. Anti semitism is usually the preserve of the left.
    Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany were of the left?
    ‘Usually’ does not equal always.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,423
    The Greens of course can do interviews with 5 Pillars and no-one bats an eyelid.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,119

    How rubbish are we as predictors? There is no concensus on who will come first, second or third.

    So, which of outcomes A - F do people think will be the final outcome on Friday?

    A 1. Green 2 Reform 3 Labour

    B 1. Green 2 Labour 3 Reform

    C 1. Reform 2 Labour 3 Green

    D 1. Reform 2 Green 3 Labour

    E 1. Green 2. Labour 3 Reform

    F 1 Green 2 Reform 3 Labour

    My punt is B, but no more than a punt.

    Mine too.
    Sorry, buggered up E & F. Now corrected.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,536

    FPT...

    https://x.com/EliAfriatISR/status/2026348803121389959

    Turkey is preparing for a scenario of regime collapse in Iran - and is even considering entering Iranian territory to stop an influx of refugees in the event of government chaos.

    -Bloomberg.

    Yes, Mr Erdoğan, you're putting troops in another country to stop an influx of refugees. Of course you are.
    If it helps facilitate the demise of the Ayatollahs, I would be happy to see Turkish forces crossing the border before the collapse if the regime.

    Erdogan is an arse, but credit to anyone who can help liberate Persia from these religious thugs.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,748

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,979
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg

    Indeed. Anti semitism is usually the preserve of the left.
    Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany were of the left?
    ‘Usually’ does not equal always.
    The two examples I gave were pretty big examples!
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,850
    Taz said:

    Putting aside the usual partisan fake anger One has to question the professionalism of the Reform outfit in who they select for high profile roles.

    Opposition parties will be all over their social media looking for stuff like this as will Reform over their opponents.

    The wider concern I have with them is how would they ensure no repetition when selecting candidates to win over 300 seats in a General Election. How could anyone be guaranteed that their candidate is not another wrong un. The other parties have their duds Jared O’Mara or that Tory in Bridgend. But they are generally the exception not the rule.

    I think that Reform will struggle in this area, the reality is that a lot of their supporters are exactly the sort of people who say pig-ignorant offensive crap online. I wouldn't say that people's anger about this sort of thing is fake, necessarily. Holocaust denial and racial slurs are actually kind of a big deal for many people, and I'd count myself among that number.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,979

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
    Poor Peter!

    World's smallest violin and all that!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,128
    edited 6:51PM

    kinabalu said:

    I think the Greens have the most at stake in this by-election. It's expected they'll win it and if they do they've arrived. The Polanski polling surge isn't froth, it's real people prepared to vote for them in size. They can target a big seat total at the GE. But if they fall short, and esp if they aren't close, it could all fade away like chalk in the rain.

    Yeah, they've hyped it up, so it will be viewed as a failure if they don't win. The candidate is fairly unimpressive and can barely string a sentence together, and Zack P bottled the chance to stand - in a serious political party this would leave people asking questions, but it is the Greens, so nothing will happen.

    Does sound like Lab have poured all the resources into the area, and they've been hitting up Denton particularly hard to try and pull back the voters. The King of The North has been out and about several times, so they must feel like they'll hold on.

    The most amusing result would be:

    1. Lab with a tiny majority
    2. RefUK
    3. Grn
    I think Polanski possibly benefits from being outside parliament at this point. You lose a chunk of 'outsider' cred as soon as your backside nestles into green leather in SW1. Could this be why he passed maybe?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,119
    Taz said:

    Reform’s Richard Tice has his eyes on Public Sector pensions.

    Namely the cash.

    Yet another looking at raiding pensions to invest in ‘backing Britain’

    These fuckers are all the same

    Leave well alone.

    https://x.com/ticerichard/status/2026302530943082550?s=61

    Where else can Reform get the money?

    More borrowing (Mr Market says are you Liz Truss in disguise? - and acts accordingly)

    More tax (Mr Voter says fuck off)

    More cuts (Mr Voter under 50 says fuck right off)

    Privatise the NHS (Mr Voter has a fit of the vapours - and comes after Reform with pitchforks and burning brands)
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,598
    edited 6:50PM

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
    Good luck with that. The police could easily argue that.he might do a runner. He is facing some yrs if found gulity. Anonymous tip anyone?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,220

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    I don't get it. Labour is f*cking screaming value at 7.
    If they win it'll be a huge victory. The start of the Labour Renaissance. But I can't see it. Unless they've got an exceptional candidate which I don't believe they have my guess is the bookies have got it right
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 413

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
    Peter Mandelson is the victim in all this... Discuss... Without sniggering..😂😂😂
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,536

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Racism and anti semitism by a Reform campaign manager,,,,,

    .......Well you could've knocked me down with a feather

    I was just looking for a suitable poster

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Will#/media/File:Triumph_des_Willens_poster.jpg

    Indeed. Anti semitism is usually the preserve of the left.
    Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany were of the left?
    No. Yes.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,201

    FPT...

    https://x.com/EliAfriatISR/status/2026348803121389959

    Turkey is preparing for a scenario of regime collapse in Iran - and is even considering entering Iranian territory to stop an influx of refugees in the event of government chaos.

    -Bloomberg.

    Yes, Mr Erdoğan, you're putting troops in another country to stop an influx of refugees. Of course you are.
    Not because they are Kurdish, no siree...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,119

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
    Was anybody other than Mandy making that "baseless suggestion"?

    Everybody else was saying "There looks to be a prima facie case for being a twat in a public office. Let's check it out, shall we?"
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355

    The Greens of course can do interviews with 5 Pillars and no-one bats an eyelid.

    Oh, that’s fine.

    Perhaps Reform should have kept him to eat into the Green vote.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
    Fuck this entitled prick.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
    Good luck with that. The police could easily argue that.he might do a runner. He is facing some yrs if found gulity. Anonymous tip anyone?
    I’m sure he still has some influential friends. Especially in the upper echelons of Labour.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,801

    Big Brother is coming for pb (hat-tip two reddit threads and some searching on parliament.uk).

    Incest porn to be banned, including stepmoms:-

    Possession or publication of pornographic images of sex between relatives
    ...
    That is to say, A being related to B as parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, brother, sister, half-brother, half-sister, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece.
    ...
    “parent” includes an adoptive parent

    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/65033/documents/7901

    Age verification mandated:-

    by regulations made by statutory instrument require all regulated user-to-user services to use highly- [sic]effective age assurance measures to prevent children under the age of 16 from becoming or being users.
    https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/64773/documents/7791

    Reminiscent of the Tables of Kindred and Affinity.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355

    Taz said:

    Reform’s Richard Tice has his eyes on Public Sector pensions.

    Namely the cash.

    Yet another looking at raiding pensions to invest in ‘backing Britain’

    These fuckers are all the same

    Leave well alone.

    https://x.com/ticerichard/status/2026302530943082550?s=61

    Where else can Reform get the money?

    More borrowing (Mr Market says are you Liz Truss in disguise? - and acts accordingly)

    More tax (Mr Voter says fuck off)

    More cuts (Mr Voter under 50 says fuck right off)

    Privatise the NHS (Mr Voter has a fit of the vapours - and comes after Reform with pitchforks and burning brands)
    Same as Reeves and Hunt. Both had their eyes on our pensions. I’m just surprised he’s not looking at DC too.

    Put in place policies to stimulate the private sector and inward investment. Dont nick peoples pensions to invest in your pet projects, especially illiquid ones. Could very easily end up as Woodford on steroids.

    I’ve said before I’d consider Reform over Labour. Labour are shit and probably won’t get my vote again but stuff like this and Farage wanting to ban work from home really does give one pause for thought.

    I’d also strongly object to people who have settled status or ILR being ‘remigrated’. Illegals/roadmen/criminals, fuck em, but people who played by the rules at the time should be treated with respect.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,220

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2026361902247321633

    CIA Director John Ratcliffe will join Marco Rubio at the classified briefing today in Congress on Iran-AXIOS

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2026363559232327850

    Trump will talk about his plans for Iran during his State of the Union address to Congress-Reuters

    An attack on Iran would be a catastrophy. I hope the UK and Europe have nothing to do with it. Iran is huge. About twice the size of Pakistan.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,746

    An ominous sign?

    https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/2026237921636860029

    MARCO RUBIO will brief House and Senate leaders at the White House today at 3 p.m.

    3 pm Eastern Standard Time (EST) in Washington, D.C. is 8 pm Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) in the UK.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,818

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
    Was anybody other than Mandy making that "baseless suggestion"?

    Everybody else was saying "There looks to be a prima facie case for being a twat in a public office. Let's check it out, shall we?"
    Arrest him again. Prick.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355
    Roger said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    I don't get it. Labour is f*cking screaming value at 7.
    If they win it'll be a huge victory. The start of the Labour Renaissance. But I can't see it. Unless they've got an exceptional candidate which I don't believe they have my guess is the bookies have got it right
    I’d agree with your first two sentences here.

    Their candidate strikes me as a bit shit but she’s not in a club of one. They all seem utter bellends.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,699
    Roger said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    I don't get it. Labour is f*cking screaming value at 7.
    If they win it'll be a huge victory. The start of the Labour Renaissance. But I can't see it. Unless they've got an exceptional candidate which I don't believe they have my guess is the bookies have got it right
    You know how England are always much shorter odds than they should be at World Cups? Partly fans backing them because they overestimate their brilliance, but also as a gesture of support?

    I wonder if there's something like that here, boosting the implied probability for Reform and Green. As far as we know, it's a three horse tossup, in which case one of the horses shouldn't be 7-1. What the odds should be is another matter.

    (And to be clear, a narrow win in a three-way scramble would objectively be a blooming awful result for Labour. Almost as bad as a narrow loss etc.)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,039
    Have not read the paper yet but this is interesting in the context of discussions a while back.
    https://x.com/LiveScience/status/2026323994396516607
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,355

    Mandy throws toys out of pram. Bizarre

    Is he planning to sue the police?

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-mandelson-starmer-labour-farage-badenoch-12593360

    "The arrest was prompted by a baseless suggestion that he was planning to leave the country and take up permanent residence abroad.

    "There is absolutely no truth whatsoever in any such suggestion. We have asked the MPS [Metropolitan Police Service] for the evidence relied upon to justify the arrest. Peter Mandelson's overriding priority is to cooperate with the police investigation, as he has done throughout this process, and to clear his name."
    Was anybody other than Mandy making that "baseless suggestion"?

    Everybody else was saying "There looks to be a prima facie case for being a twat in a public office. Let's check it out, shall we?"
    Arrest him again. Prick.
    With Plod, if you or I failed the attitude test that’s exactly what would happen.

    They’ll be apologising to him and kissing his backside.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,947
    Roger said:

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2026361902247321633

    CIA Director John Ratcliffe will join Marco Rubio at the classified briefing today in Congress on Iran-AXIOS

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/2026363559232327850

    Trump will talk about his plans for Iran during his State of the Union address to Congress-Reuters

    An attack on Iran would be a catastrophy. I hope the UK and Europe have nothing to do with it. Iran is huge. About twice the size of Pakistan.
    And you an ad-man, Rog! I believe 'Wales' is the standard measure.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,746
    edited 7:04PM
    Taz said:

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2026313254595690603

    Labour's General Secretary has told an all-staff call that the Greens have no chance of winning the Gorton and Denton by-election on Thursday

    "The Green Party are clearly high on the Class A drugs they want to legalise if they think they’re in this race. We know they’re not. They know they’re not. Our promise rate is very strong and we're seeing lots of anti-Reform undecideds come over to Labour. A vote for the Greens is a vote for Tommy Robinson’s candidate - Matt Goodwin"

    Labour do certainly seem quite bullish. It’s making me question whether this could indeed be Labour vs Reform after all.
    If Labour wins this it will be the political sensation of the century, and we will have to abandon everything we thought was true. Exciting...
    Indeed. If you've got a history book at home, take it out, throw it in the bin – it's worthless. The history books will now have to be rewritten
    Chris Morris: Im joined by our crisis correspondent Spartacus Mills. Spartacus this is huge history happening isn't it?
    Steve Coogan: it's bigger than that Chris it's large. I mean if you've got a history book at home take it out throw it in the bin it's worthless. The history books now will have to be rewritten.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pr8xnNi7OM
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,129
    Taz said:

    Reform’s Richard Tice has his eyes on Public Sector pensions.

    Namely the cash.

    Yet another looking at raiding pensions to invest in ‘backing Britain’

    These fuckers are all the same

    Leave well alone.

    https://x.com/ticerichard/status/2026302530943082550?s=61

    It isn't wisely invested now though. A lot of it is in empty High Street shops. If Government can find a way to gently:
    1. Encourage pension funds to divest themselves of high street properties so they can be sold or rented at a realistic rate.
    2. Reduce the burden of regulation, taxation and energy costs to a point where Britain's economy can once again compete, making it attractive for funds to invest.
    3. Gently expand the range of investment opportunities so funds can diversify

    They will have done very well.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,947
    edited 7:05PM
    Roger said:

    Labour 7/1
    Reform 3/1
    Green 1/2

    I don't get it. Labour is f*cking screaming value at 7.
    If they win it'll be a huge victory. The start of the Labour Renaissance. But I can't see it. Unless they've got an exceptional candidate which I don't believe they have my guess is the bookies have got it right
    In fairness, while I don't know the Labour candidate, I know people whose views I respect who do know her, and she seems universally well-regarded among them.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,818
    The raptors that flew out of Suffolk are on the tarmac in Israel......
    Buckle up buttercups
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,426

    I missed this belter of a comment from Omad Djalili

    https://x.com/omid9/status/2020484360588099681

    'One thing the situation in Iran has made crystal clear is that whichever country, regime, group or political ideology, no matter how vile, disgusting or repressive, however many people are massacred or exterminated, as long as they are anti-West, specifically anti-US (and by extension anti-Israel), they will have the unquestioning support of the majority of the liberal left and the entertainment world.

    The same “progressive left” who happily live in the west, profit from its relative freedoms, yet turn their activism on and off like a switch, or in some cases, even make a living out of it.

    It is disappointing and exhausting.

    But grateful to all those who have spoken out. Especially in the comedy community. It takes a lot of guts to do so when everyone around you is looking the other way.'

    It would be a belter of a comment, if true. But it really isn't. As a fully-paid up member of the progressive left, absolutely nobody in the circles I move in thinks that the Iranian regime is anything other than vile and abhorrent.

    But we also don't think that the USA is best placed to remove and replace that regime.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,579
    Bloomin' heck! Have you seen Dominic Dale's amazing technicolour dreamcoat at the Welsh open snooker?
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