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Yes we Khan? – politicalbetting.com

Of mayors, the King in the North comes 4th in favourability among Labour members: @Survation for @LabourList https://t.co/wRF0jAJ5W3 pic.twitter.com/HyhQi9DvWV

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,922
    Labour in job-for life mode...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,626
    Happy Valentine’s Day PBers. Unfortunately as with most SLab social media nowadays, replies are switched off just in case anyone wants to reciprocate.



    https://x.com/scottishlabour/status/2022367801147597022?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,020

    Happy Valentine’s Day PBers. Unfortunately as with most SLab social media nowadays, replies are switched off just in case anyone wants to reciprocate.



    https://x.com/scottishlabour/status/2022367801147597022?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Jackie Baillie would have made a bit of a better fist of it than Anas I think. I know you detest her.
  • England have never beaten a European side in the Men's World T20 five attempts, Scotland are 8s on Betfair.

    I am also going to place a double on Scotland to win the Calcutta Cup match today, combined odds of 33/1

  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,565
    Fpt for @‘marquee



    “I was one of the first to go through the previous teeny tiny airport as it was opened. A single luggage carousel. Would have been 35 years ago today. I remember spending Valentines Day eve in the Phnom Penh Foreign Correspondents Club (now I believe closed - presumably the old soaks' livers finally gave up).”

    Yes I grew to know that airport well. It had character and it was closer to the city, it also resembled a huge Soviet bus shelter. The kind of thing Sadiq Khan would eagerly approve for Euston Road

    The new one is very chic

    And @JohnLilburne wtt were you doing “taking a bus”??

    A cab is about $20. Hardly bankrupting
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,509

    England have never beaten a European side in the Men's World T20 five attempts, Scotland are 8s on Betfair.

    I am also going to place a double on Scotland to win the Calcutta Cup match today, combined odds of 33/1

    Women's curling.

    That's where it's at.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,131

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    Ahem. Its the voters that elect.

    I am not a Londoner, but no matter how good, a fresh face is needed every now and then. Time for Khan to do something else.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,565
    I must say, gently wafting around Indochina, penning the odd ludicrous opinion piece for the Knapper’s Gazette, thereby paying for all my hotels, is an extremely pleasant way to spend February
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,565
    I am sorely tempted to go to Shanghai. You can get 5 star hotels for £100 a night
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,626

    Happy Valentine’s Day PBers. Unfortunately as with most SLab social media nowadays, replies are switched off just in case anyone wants to reciprocate.



    https://x.com/scottishlabour/status/2022367801147597022?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Jackie Baillie would have made a bit of a better fist of it than Anas I think. I know you detest her.
    A better fist of what, attracting campaigners to her cause with wit and charm?
    Detest is a strong word, one which I think should be reserved for your endless invective towards Baillie’s (real) boss.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,541
    Leon said:

    I am sorely tempted to go to Shanghai. You can get 5 star hotels for £100 a night

    Careful of the two way mirrors...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,311

    England have never beaten a European side in the Men's World T20 five attempts, Scotland are 8s on Betfair.

    I am also going to place a double on Scotland to win the Calcutta Cup match today, combined odds of 33/1

    Women's curling.

    That's where it's at.
    Or sliding down a track on a tin tray. Amazing to think that sport was invented by a Brit who was bored on his Swiss holiday in 1920-something
  • Foxy said:

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    Ahem. Its the voters that elect.

    I am not a Londoner, but no matter how good, a fresh face is needed every now and then. Time for Khan to do something else.
    That means finding someone else who has both the ability and the desire to do the job, preferably better than the incumbent, who is perfectly adequate but uninspiring.

    That problem isn't unique to London or to Labour.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,311
    Leon said:

    I am sorely tempted to go to Shanghai. You can get 5 star hotels for £100 a night

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/bbc-investigation-exposes-chinas-massive-spy-cam-network/ar-AA1W04Jj
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031
    Khan has signalled he has no interest in returning to Westminster and wants to stand again as Mayor of London. Given the relative weakness of Reform in London compared to most of the rest of the UK and the fact London is the only UK region Labour still lead polls in that would certainly be possible.

    Though if the Tories picked a strong candidate like Sebastian Coe, or James Cleverly if he is not Mayor of London by then, they could give him a run for his money
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,790

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    It’s up to the electorate of London, not Labour, whether he keeps his job.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,565
    Foxy said:

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    Ahem. Its the voters that elect.

    I am not a Londoner, but no matter how good, a fresh face is needed every now and then. Time for Khan to do something else.
    Agreed. Why the f didn’t they put term limits into law when they established the mayoralty? Idiots

    It’s exactly the sort of place when an incumbent can cement a corrupt fiefdom and rule forever. As khan intends to do. The next government needs to change the law

    This would apply to any mayor, Tory Labour BNP whatever. Three terms is excessive. Four is an outrage

    That said I think khan will find it really hard to win again. He’s not loved or liked he’s just got an ethnic bloc vote. If the other parties can find anyone credible to stand, he will be extremely beatable
  • Why Starmer's failed so dismally, by TIM SHIPMAN. He cares more about the smart-casual dress code than the content... and there's more damning revelations from a Labour minister, MP and EIGHT former aides
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15558659/Why-Starmer-failed-dismally-TIM-SHIPMAN.html

    If you can't read the Spectator, try the Mail's ‘version’.
  • IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    I am sorely tempted to go to Shanghai. You can get 5 star hotels for £100 a night

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/bbc-investigation-exposes-chinas-massive-spy-cam-network/ar-AA1W04Jj
    Well if it helps to keep prices down.....
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,626
    edited February 14
    Does Reform attract loonies or does it turn recruits into loonies? Kind of a chicken and egg thing, and appropriately Zahawi quivering his way round Bloomsbury is obviously a chicken egg.

    https://x.com/haggis_uk/status/2022261079363965418?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,448
    King of the North more like the Prince Harry of the North once those figures.

    On this side of the Pennines we have the Queen of the North.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,500

    Why Starmer's failed so dismally, by TIM SHIPMAN. He cares more about the smart-casual dress code than the content... and there's more damning revelations from a Labour minister, MP and EIGHT former aides
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15558659/Why-Starmer-failed-dismally-TIM-SHIPMAN.html

    If you can't read the Spectator, try the Mail's ‘version’.

    Hell is a lifetime's subscription to the Daily Mail. Is there anything they report on that isn't clickbait.

    Wonder what they will talk about when house prices start falling in more areas.
  • IanB2 said:

    England have never beaten a European side in the Men's World T20 five attempts, Scotland are 8s on Betfair.

    I am also going to place a double on Scotland to win the Calcutta Cup match today, combined odds of 33/1

    Women's curling.

    That's where it's at.
    Or sliding down a track on a tin tray. Amazing to think that sport was invented by a Brit who was bored on his Swiss holiday in 1920-something
    Basically the Cresta Run without champagne, and renamed skeleton.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    edited February 14
    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,565

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    May 2026 will give us a good baseline for where the parties are in London anyway
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,741
    Battlebus said:

    Why Starmer's failed so dismally, by TIM SHIPMAN. He cares more about the smart-casual dress code than the content... and there's more damning revelations from a Labour minister, MP and EIGHT former aides
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15558659/Why-Starmer-failed-dismally-TIM-SHIPMAN.html

    If you can't read the Spectator, try the Mail's ‘version’.

    Hell is a lifetime's subscription to the Daily Mail. Is there anything they report on that isn't clickbait.

    Wonder what they will talk about when house prices start falling in more areas.
    “Wonder what they will talk about when house prices start falling in more areas.”

    They will write about house prices falling, obvs.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,483
    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    she screams 'doesn't actually like London'
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    edited February 14
    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,565
    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    she screams 'doesn't actually like London'
    Does she actually say that? Or is that your jaundiced interpretation because you loathe Reform?

    Serious question. I’ve not seen much of her speaking and get mixed reports
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,500
    edited February 14
    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/
  • TresTres Posts: 3,483
    Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    she screams 'doesn't actually like London'
    Does she actually say that? Or is that your jaundiced interpretation because you loathe Reform?

    Serious question. I’ve not seen much of her speaking and get mixed reports
    she just comes across as one of those uber rich zone 1 bubble tories whose only real goal is to abolish the congestion charge
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,565

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
  • Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    she screams 'doesn't actually like London'
    Does she actually say that? Or is that your jaundiced interpretation because you loathe Reform?

    Serious question. I’ve not seen much of her speaking and get mixed reports
    #hotcrazymatrix
  • Battlebus said:

    Why Starmer's failed so dismally, by TIM SHIPMAN. He cares more about the smart-casual dress code than the content... and there's more damning revelations from a Labour minister, MP and EIGHT former aides
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15558659/Why-Starmer-failed-dismally-TIM-SHIPMAN.html

    If you can't read the Spectator, try the Mail's ‘version’.

    Hell is a lifetime's subscription to the Daily Mail. Is there anything they report on that isn't clickbait.

    Wonder what they will talk about when house prices start falling in more areas.
    “Wonder what they will talk about when house prices start falling in more areas.”

    They will write about house prices falling, obvs.
    Well yes, and how it is Starmer's fault and a result of Labour's deliberate attempts to undermine hard working families.
  • Leon said:

    Tres said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    she screams 'doesn't actually like London'
    Does she actually say that? Or is that your jaundiced interpretation because you loathe Reform?

    Serious question. I’ve not seen much of her speaking and get mixed reports
    This looks like a fair profile;

    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/laila-cunningham-reform-uk-mayor-of-london-candidate

    Strong sense of more noise and ambition than achievement. An Apprentice candidate who is surprised that they get fired in week five.

    Still, I'm sure she won through a thorough, competitive process to pick the best candi... Oh, it's Reform, isn't it? Nigel.will just have picked her, won't be?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    edited February 14
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    I admit im coloured by my dislike of Reform, yes, but Laila to me is utterly unconvincing - shes just another 'tories for the win!' to 'what about those dreadful tories?!' Career jumpers. Shes clearly being pushed as the next big thing by her constant presence on GB News etc so maybe the public will adore her. But i think by 2028 Reforms emerging identity as the home of disgruntled and unprincipled Tories will be a real problem for them with thise looking for proper 'insurgents'
    But yep, its opinion and bias based, i accept that. (Polituis kinda is though)

    I mean, for evidence of her flakiness she went from 'i dont want Jenrick in Reform!' To 'Hi Rob baby' in, what, a week?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031
    edited February 14
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    Indeed, though Cleverly could be Tory leader by then if the Tories do very badly in the local and devolved elections in May. Seb Coe is also being lined up for the Tories.

    Laila Cunningham has no chance, she is a Muslim woman so some of the most hardcore Reform voters won't vote for her on that basis sadly and as she is Reform the average London voter wouldn't vote for her anyway
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14814683/Seb-Coe-race-Sadiq-Khan-London-mayor-ANDREW-PIERCE.html
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,744
    edited February 14
    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,053
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    If you limit who you'll listen to on this to people who don't hate Reform you won't (for obvious reasons) be accessing the most informed and intelligent punditry. For example there'll be no point me weighing in.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,619
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    Ahem. Its the voters that elect.

    I am not a Londoner, but no matter how good, a fresh face is needed every now and then. Time for Khan to do something else.
    Agreed. Why the f didn’t they put term limits into law when they established the mayoralty? Idiots

    It’s exactly the sort of place when an incumbent can cement a corrupt fiefdom and rule forever. As khan intends to do. The next government needs to change the law

    This would apply to any mayor, Tory Labour BNP whatever. Three terms is excessive. Four is an outrage

    That said I think khan will find it really hard to win again. He’s not loved or liked he’s just got an ethnic bloc vote. If the other parties can find anyone credible to stand, he will be extremely beatable
    If doing a lot of work there
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031
    edited February 14
    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    Indeed, though Cleverly could be Tory leader by then if the Tories do very badly in the local and devolved elections in May. Seb Coe is also being lined up for the Tories.

    Laila Cunningham has no chance, she is a Muslim woman so some of the most hardcore Reform voters won't vote for her on that basis sadly and as she is Reform the average London voter wouldn't vote for her anyway
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14814683/Seb-Coe-race-Sadiq-Khan-London-mayor-ANDREW-PIERCE.html
    If May is in the Tories 'acceptable' range of results i expect to see Cleverly being pushed as 'the answer' for London
    He would be a clear different right of centre option to Cunningham's new sherriff stuff.
    Seb Coe risks being a bit celebrity candidate (to the many unaware of much of his political career)
  • Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    You make a good case, although the nominees could equally be a pair unknown this side of the Atlantic.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    Indeed, though Cleverly could be Tory leader by then if the Tories do very badly in the local and devolved elections in May. Seb Coe is also being lined up for the Tories.

    Laila Cunningham has no chance, she is a Muslim woman so some of the most hardcore Reform voters won't vote for her on that basis sadly and as she is Reform the average London voter wouldn't vote for her anyway
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14814683/Seb-Coe-race-Sadiq-Khan-London-mayor-ANDREW-PIERCE.html
    If May is in the Tories 'acceptable' range of results i expect to see Cleverly being pushed as 'the answer' for London
    He would be a clear different right of centre option to Cunningham's new sherriff stuff.
    Seb Coe risks being a bit celebrity candidate (to the many unaware of much of his political career)
    We might get a clue if Cleverly features heavily in the May campaign in the capital
  • HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    Indeed, though Cleverly could be Tory leader by then if the Tories do very badly in the local and devolved elections in May. Seb Coe is also being lined up for the Tories.

    Laila Cunningham has no chance, she is a Muslim woman so some of the most hardcore Reform voters won't vote for her on that basis sadly and as she is Reform the average London voter wouldn't vote for her anyway
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14814683/Seb-Coe-race-Sadiq-Khan-London-mayor-ANDREW-PIERCE.html
    And Reform's core vote is the outermost edge of the doughnut- the icing and sprinkles, so to speak. Leaving aside the racism thing, a Westminster councillor isn't going to truly speak to them.

    If Reform were serious about London, they could have done a lot worse than Keith Prince (ran Redbridge, GLA member for yonks, not my cup of tea but plausible) rather than a GBeebie Babe.

    But Reform is a curious mix of people desperate for change, people desperate for excitement and grifters promising both.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    Indeed, though Cleverly could be Tory leader by then if the Tories do very badly in the local and devolved elections in May. Seb Coe is also being lined up for the Tories.

    Laila Cunningham has no chance, she is a Muslim woman so some of the most hardcore Reform voters won't vote for her on that basis sadly and as she is Reform the average London voter wouldn't vote for her anyway
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14814683/Seb-Coe-race-Sadiq-Khan-London-mayor-ANDREW-PIERCE.html
    If May is in the Tories 'acceptable' range of results i expect to see Cleverly being pushed as 'the answer' for London
    He would be a clear different right of centre option to Cunningham's new sherriff stuff.
    Seb Coe risks being a bit celebrity candidate (to the many unaware of much of his political career)
    Yes, if the Tories come second on NEV in May and Kemi survives then Cleverly will be the likely Tory candidate in 2028.

    if not and he replaces Kemi then Seb Coe likely gets the nomination and he would do a good job as he did when he ran the 2012 London Olympics, Coe could also get LDs and some swing voters in London to vote for him who wouldn't touch Cunningham and Reform
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,619
    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    She’s not that left wing, even though that’s how she’s portrayed. She’s like a prettier version of Ed Milliband
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,896
    edited February 14
    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    I think this is the worst of both worlds.

    if you put someone controversial but who is also a good communicator on the ticket, they're going to be attacked and they need to be able to take up a whole news cycle hitting back. They can't do that if they're only VP nominee, they won't have enough control of the news and to the extent that they do it'll distract from the presidential candidate's agenda.

    Running AOC would be a gamble but it's a gamble with a decent upside. To get the upside of the gamble, she needs to actually be the nominee.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    She’s not that left wing, even though that’s how she’s portrayed. She’s like a prettier version of Ed Milliband
    She is that left wing, even in UK terms she would be a Corbynite or Polanski Green, not even Starmer Labour
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    She’s not that left wing, even though that’s how she’s portrayed. She’s like a prettier version of Ed Milliband
    She looks like a startled groundhog.
    Now, me, I am a prettier version of Ed Miliband!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,744
    edited February 14
    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,569
    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2022598751320240514

    Marco Rubio tells Bloomberg’s John Micklethwait at the Munich Security Conference that Russia will not be able to achieve its objectives in Ukraine

    “They desire 20% of Donetsk they don’t possess”

    He says Russia isn’t winning the war and it’s “difficult to say anyone is winning”
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,626
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    Indeed, though Cleverly could be Tory leader by then if the Tories do very badly in the local and devolved elections in May. Seb Coe is also being lined up for the Tories.

    Laila Cunningham has no chance, she is a Muslim woman so some of the most hardcore Reform voters won't vote for her on that basis sadly and as she is Reform the average London voter wouldn't vote for her anyway
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14814683/Seb-Coe-race-Sadiq-Khan-London-mayor-ANDREW-PIERCE.html
    I sense a wilting from Hardcore Leon.
  • Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    And that's the fascinating challenge.

    Either almost any Dem wins in 2028, or no non-MAGA candidate wins. And it's not up to the Democrats which door the USA goes through.

    That should be either liberating or terrifying. We just don't know which.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031
    edited February 14
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,569
    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 498
    Morning everyone,

    Not confident about Scotlands rugby chances today, not as good a side as 2-3 years ago, and England have improved.

    I've went for the alternative 33/1 on Sunderland to win the FA cup - away to Oxford tomorrow. On their day they can beat anyone, likely be the best chance for them to get into Europe.
  • https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2022598751320240514

    Marco Rubio tells Bloomberg’s John Micklethwait at the Munich Security Conference that Russia will not be able to achieve its objectives in Ukraine

    “They desire 20% of Donetsk they don’t possess”

    He says Russia isn’t winning the war and it’s “difficult to say anyone is winning”

    Sounds about right. Rubio would be a fair bet for next president if it weren't for the likelihood of Trump retiring before 2028 which would make JD Vance the incumbent and ex officio nominee.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,105
    edited February 14
    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    What could go wrong for Reform UK with a candidate called Laila Ahmed Cunningham, I wonder?

    That's the start of it - xenophobia being a core value in Ref UK, but then listen to her a little and see what you think.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    edited February 14
    On last nights Restore Britain launch and prospects. Rupert is way too radical to win a GE but hes exactly radical enough to hoover up the genuine 'last chance salooners' from Reform (and Tories of that mind not convinced by Farage) who are sick of the 'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach. And he will hold Yarmouth at a canter.
    Reform at 29% are winning. Reform at, say, 24% start falling just short everywhere.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,965

    King of the North more like the Prince Harry of the North once those figures.

    On this side of the Pennines we have the Queen of the North.

    So do we in the North East. She’s pleasant enough but likes a photo op more than anything else.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 463
    Starmer uncorked and bolder on Munich is what many have been waiting for.

    He's been timid and constrained on the Brexit was crap arguments scared of Reform. He's been out flanked by LD and Greens as a result

    The clear evidence is a growing majority want closer ties economically and practically but not a full blown return.

    Starmer has more credit in the bank with the EU and Europe than any Leader since Blair.

    He can now pitch that without fear of Reform, knowing the EU still destroys the Tory schism and can outflank LD and Green with pragmaticism over piped dreams.

    It can be of he grasps it his legacy and a great boost for British Business too.

    Take on the dinosaurs Farage, Lowe, Badenoch...

    Closer closer closer ties.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,965

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    Interesting to see his attack is also on the Greens too

    Although given that lunatic he has in the Energy portfolio he’s got nothing to make a fuss about.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,626
    Another Valentine tweet, particularly for the sex tourists, sorry, world travellers.

    Steve 🇺🇸
    @SteveLovesAmmo
    It’s a boy!!!! 💀

    https://x.com/SteveLovesAmmo/status/2016672934828687649?s=20
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    Its deeply inappropriate. He is there as leader of HM Govt, not leader of the Labour party
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,565
    The other question is Why the fuck don’t I live in Phnom Penh

    It’s such a chilled city. They’re having their weekend festival on sisowath quay. It turns into a kind of mild long farmers market all down the tonle sap river. Families picnic by the palace as the sun goes down. Very charming. And the food is superb (apart from the insects and newts and algae and frogs) and the people are lovely and peaceful. And the women are probably the prettiest in South east Asia

    And its poignantly perfect that the city with the WORST history in Indochina (if not the world) is now the most seductive

    Also you can buy Xanax and Tramadol OTC
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,674

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    Complete chameleon. Principles for sale type. Not defending her seat on Kensington council because she would get humiliated.
    Jenrick in a dress.
    She was going to be the Tory candidate for Rotherham in 2024 but mysteriously withdrew leaving them with no candidate
    But again you’re another hater-of-Reform…

    I need concrete evidence she’s a dud. Not negative spin

    Happy to be persuaded, if this evidence exists

    Cleverly might be a good candidate for the Tories. Personable, quite charismatic, business friendly - a lot better than the dreadful khan. He’s got that big city persona which makes for a good london mayor - breezy and confident
    Indeed, though Cleverly could be Tory leader by then if the Tories do very badly in the local and devolved elections in May. Seb Coe is also being lined up for the Tories.

    Laila Cunningham has no chance, she is a Muslim woman so some of the most hardcore Reform voters won't vote for her on that basis sadly and as she is Reform the average London voter wouldn't vote for her anyway
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14814683/Seb-Coe-race-Sadiq-Khan-London-mayor-ANDREW-PIERCE.html
    I sense a wilting from Hardcore Leon.
    Has Farage cleared this with Trump, purely in the interests of realpolitik?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    https://x.com/i/status/2022610742113919329
    Oooof. Nowcast for the Senedd on that MiC poll
    PC Lab 47
    Ref Con 47
    plus 1 each Green and LD
    No chance that holds for 4 years!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,626

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    Its deeply inappropriate. He is there as leader of HM Govt, not leader of the Labour party
    It is particularly Starmerish, expecting grandstanding in Munich to affect a single vote in Gorton & Denton. You can see the scenario in the No 10 war room though.

    'Yes Prime Minister, international politics is your forte so let's get it working for a domestic by election!'
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,267
    Leon said:

    Morning all.
    Khan will be running in 2028, at the fag end of a Labour government thst shows no signs of provoking joy in the populace. The anti estsblishment vote will be massive and doubled in effect with Lab in charge nationally.
    His best hope is for Labour to have been turfed out by May 2028.
    If Ref and Tory are poling similar levels in London like now then Tories woukd be better placed to win as thryll pick up more transfers from the LDs etc compared to Reform. And Laila Cunningham is an utterly dreadful candidate

    Why is she dreadful? I’ve only seen glimpses but she seems quite articulate and also she’s quite hot
    She looks too like my ex who is the love of my life so I’m hoping very much she doesn’t win so I don’t have to see her face all the time . No idea about her suitability as a mayor though.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    Its deeply inappropriate. He is there as leader of HM Govt, not leader of the Labour party
    It is particularly Starmerish, expecting grandstanding in Munich to affect a single vote in Gorton & Denton. You can see the scenario in the No 10 war room though.

    'Yes Prime Minister, international politics is your forte so let's get it working for a domestic by election!'
    It will play well with year 5 mums in Denton and barbers who cut their own hair PM
    I love it!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,509

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    What one has to realise is that Starmer simply parrots whatever his communications advisor tells him, and that's entirely reactive.

    He applies zero independent thought to it, because he has no conviction other than the furtherance of his own career.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,105
    edited February 14
    Having listened to Rupert bearing his soul about his new party, I think it will appeal to several of the tribes of Reform. Thee have been a number of comments on Reform SM berating Farage, Anderson and others for not supporting Lowe's initiatives.

    His general style is 1) Very anti-immigration and foreigners, 2) Probably Social Conservative 3) Dry Thatcherism, 4) Pro wealthy-people like him.

    There's a lot of MAGA borrowing, and a lot of utter impracticality in his ideas and ambiguity in his beliefs, plus he's embracing an imagined BNP-style ethnic nationalism based on colour without stating it. A number of his concepts are imaginary, as might be found in Arthur Mee. He's going more full Trump than Ref UK. One of his problems is finding a market for the violence implicit in his proposals; it's sinking Trump.

    Crusty old Tories of the John Carlisle / Alan Clark stripe (eg old UKIP style) will be attracted, as will people who are more obsessive about immigration. That is Older Authoritarian Right / Traditional Conservatives and Working Right Reform tribes in the Hope not Hate characterisation from 2025.

    He won't I think get the symbolic ethnic minorities that Farage is parading on Reform platforms. Some will like that. I'm not sure about the symbolic women.

    I think one determinant is how he will handle the extreme right / neo-fascist groups, who include Yaxley-Lennon's lot, Homeland Party types, influencers and also the far right priests (or ex-priests) such as Calvin Robinson. I'd say he will probably go Christian Nationalist (cultural Christian variety).

    He'll be looking for 5x, 6x or 7x year old business types like himself to be his candidates.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,326

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    Its deeply inappropriate. He is there as leader of HM Govt, not leader of the Labour party
    It is particularly Starmerish, expecting grandstanding in Munich to affect a single vote in Gorton & Denton. You can see the scenario in the No 10 war room though.

    'Yes Prime Minister, international politics is your forte so let's get it working for a domestic by election!'
    I wonder if tarring the Greens and Reform with the same brush is going to stick long term.

    It would have the side effect of painting the tories as "the other reasonable party", which I'm not sure he would want.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,581
    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    It is profoundly depressing to reflect that in a country of 300 million people currently being run by a superannuated violent Fascist with increasingly obvious dementia the ticket being touted as the Dems' 'best hope' is Newsom and AOC.

    I mean - really? Can't they come up with somebody better than those two? A fairly useless governor and a person who has Donald Trump's fanaticism, self-righteousness and contempt for democracy without even the excuse of being totally past it?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,509
    carnforth said:

    It's appalling behaviour from Starmer to go to Munich and talk in this manner about domestic opponents

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2022597491212923049

    Starmer to claim 'lamps would go out across Europe' under Reform UK or Greens

    Its deeply inappropriate. He is there as leader of HM Govt, not leader of the Labour party
    It is particularly Starmerish, expecting grandstanding in Munich to affect a single vote in Gorton & Denton. You can see the scenario in the No 10 war room though.

    'Yes Prime Minister, international politics is your forte so let's get it working for a domestic by election!'
    I wonder if tarring the Greens and Reform with the same brush is going to stick long term.

    It would have the side effect of painting the tories as "the other reasonable party", which I'm not sure he would want.
    It will stick for about three days, until Starmer gets his next piece of "advice".
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,626
    In stunning news there are people that even 'giant of a man' Alan Dershowitz doesn't want to be associated with.

    Graham Linehan
    @Glinner
    ·
    13 Feb
    Alan Dershowitz received the Samizdat Prize alongside me yesterday and he tried to distance himself from my views on stage! Like Ardal O'Hanlon, I asked him what he disagreed with and he spluttered and changed the subject.

    To be fair to him, I did get the impression he's being bamboozled by his son, who apparently doesn't even think women should have fair sports.

    Still, a giant of a man in many ways, just not this one.

    https://x.com/Glinner/status/2022211117339357302?s=20
  • https://x.com/i/status/2022610742113919329
    Oooof. Nowcast for the Senedd on that MiC poll
    PC Lab 47
    Ref Con 47
    plus 1 each Green and LD
    No chance that holds for 4 years!

    TBH I think that could hold. A working majority of 2 with the clear objective of keeping the fukers out of power.

    This is the Nigel problem. He has to win power outright, he doesn't have a von Papen in another party prepared to work with him.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,581
    edited February 14

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2022598751320240514

    Marco Rubio tells Bloomberg’s John Micklethwait at the Munich Security Conference that Russia will not be able to achieve its objectives in Ukraine

    “They desire 20% of Donetsk they don’t possess”

    He says Russia isn’t winning the war and it’s “difficult to say anyone is winning”

    It is worth reminding ourselves that the actual stated war aims of Russia in 2022 - some four years ago - included the total annexation of all Ukraine, possibly with the creation of a puppet state in part of the West as a sop to international opinion.

    The fact that they are desperate to bribe the US into allowing them the remaining portion of the Donbas region and present it as a victory shows how disastrously wrong things have gone for them.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    MattW said:

    Having listened to Rupert bearing his soul about his new party, I think it will appeal to several of the tribes of Reform. Thee have been a number of comments on Reform SM berating Farage, Anderson and others for not supporting Lowe's initiatives.

    His general style is 1) Very anti-immigration and foreigners, 2) Probably Social Conservative 3) Dry Thatcherism, 4) Pro wealthy-people like him.

    There's a lot of MAGA borrowing, and a lot of utter impracticality in his ideas and ambiguity in his beliefs, plus he's embracing an imagined BNP-style ethnic nationalism based on colour without stating it. A number of his concepts are imaginary, as might be found in Arthur Mee. He's going more full Trump than Ref UK. One of his problems is finding a market for the violence implicit in his proposals; it's sinking Trump.

    Crusty old Tories of the John Carlisle / Alan Clark stripe (eg old UKIP style) will be attracted, as will people who are more obsessive about immigration. That is Older Authoritarian Right / Traditional Conservatives and Working Right Reform tribes in the Hope not Hate characterisation from 2025.

    He won't I think get the symbolic ethnic minorities that Farage is parading on Reform platforms. Some will like that. I'm not sure about the symbolic women.

    I think one determinant is how he will handle the extreme right / neo-fascist groups, who include Yaxley-Lennon's lot, Homeland Party types, influencers and also the far right priests (or ex-priests) such as Calvin Robinson. I'd say he will probably go Christian Nationalist (cultural Christian variety).

    He'll be looking for 5x, 6x or 7x year old business types like himself to be his candidates.

    I think he has a 2 to 8% offering. No more no less. But i expect his support to be very vocal and visible
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,974
    HYUFD said:

    Khan has signalled he has no interest in returning to Westminster and wants to stand again as Mayor of London. Given the relative weakness of Reform in London compared to most of the rest of the UK and the fact London is the only UK region Labour still lead polls in that would certainly be possible.

    Though if the Tories picked a strong candidate like Sebastian Coe, or James Cleverly if he is not Mayor of London by then, they could give him a run for his money

    Seb Coe would be a great candidate if he wants it. He would be 72 in 2028 though.

    What a shame he’s not still at the IOC, one suggests he would have been better at dealing with this week’s controversy in Italy.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,448
    Brixian59 said:

    Starmer uncorked and bolder on Munich is what many have been waiting for.

    He's been timid and constrained on the Brexit was crap arguments scared of Reform. He's been out flanked by LD and Greens as a result

    The clear evidence is a growing majority want closer ties economically and practically but not a full blown return.

    Starmer has more credit in the bank with the EU and Europe than any Leader since Blair.

    He can now pitch that without fear of Reform, knowing the EU still destroys the Tory schism and can outflank LD and Green with pragmaticism over piped dreams.

    It can be of he grasps it his legacy and a great boost for British Business too.

    Take on the dinosaurs Farage, Lowe, Badenoch...

    Closer closer closer ties.

    Starmer should announce that we are joining Schengen. Get rid of this border bollocks when going on holiday.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,581

    https://x.com/i/status/2022610742113919329
    Oooof. Nowcast for the Senedd on that MiC poll
    PC Lab 47
    Ref Con 47
    plus 1 each Green and LD
    No chance that holds for 4 years!

    TBH I think that could hold. A working majority of 2 with the clear objective of keeping the fukers out of power.

    This is the Nigel problem. He has to win power outright, he doesn't have a von Papen in another party prepared to work with him.
    I think you underestimate the hurty feelings of Welsh Labour. They will most certainly not take kindly to being second fiddle to Plaid and they will not likely hold out for four years doing so.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,744
    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,728
    Starmer appears to have replaced the tepid bath of managed decline with the warm bath of complacency. He likes his baths, clearly.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031

    On last nights Restore Britain launch and prospects. Rupert is way too radical to win a GE but hes exactly radical enough to hoover up the genuine 'last chance salooners' from Reform (and Tories of that mind not convinced by Farage) who are sick of the 'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach. And he will hold Yarmouth at a canter.
    Reform at 29% are winning. Reform at, say, 24% start falling just short everywhere.

    Yes I expect Kemi and SKS are rather more delighted Lowe has started his own party than Farage is
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,974

    England have never beaten a European side in the Men's World T20 five attempts, Scotland are 8s on Betfair.

    I am also going to place a double on Scotland to win the Calcutta Cup match today, combined odds of 33/1

    Whoever made the decision to play the Calcutta Cup on Valentine’s Day deserves a lifetime supply of Hawaiian pizza.

    It’s not really a day where you can change your plans around watching the match.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423

    https://x.com/i/status/2022610742113919329
    Oooof. Nowcast for the Senedd on that MiC poll
    PC Lab 47
    Ref Con 47
    plus 1 each Green and LD
    No chance that holds for 4 years!

    TBH I think that could hold. A working majority of 2 with the clear objective of keeping the fukers out of power.

    This is the Nigel problem. He has to win power outright, he doesn't have a von Papen in another party prepared to work with him.
    Polling collapses it. Any hint of a Welsh Labour recovery and theyll crash the govt to try and regain the crown
    Con wont do a coalition with Ref if numbers hold, but theyd allow a Ref minority (if RefCon>48) to collapse at their leisure
  • Brixian59 said:

    Starmer uncorked and bolder on Munich is what many have been waiting for.

    He's been timid and constrained on the Brexit was crap arguments scared of Reform. He's been out flanked by LD and Greens as a result

    The clear evidence is a growing majority want closer ties economically and practically but not a full blown return.

    Starmer has more credit in the bank with the EU and Europe than any Leader since Blair.

    He can now pitch that without fear of Reform, knowing the EU still destroys the Tory schism and can outflank LD and Green with pragmaticism over piped dreams.

    It can be of he grasps it his legacy and a great boost for British Business too.

    Take on the dinosaurs Farage, Lowe, Badenoch...

    Closer closer closer ties.

    The world has changed - significantly. NATO is changing. The EU is changing. We can't reply on the old order so there is little choice now - our defence lies with Europe. And if we're doing mutual defence why the hell would we have draft trade sanctions imposed on ourselves?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,895
    Skaith is low (I think he's doing ok) though I guess that's probably a product of a load of don't knows. If very few have an opinion then you're not going to get a big net favourable. Maybe we need net value divided by total with opinion, with appropriate confidence intervals to reflect the different sample sizes!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,922
    Leon said:

    The other question is Why the fuck don’t I live in Phnom Penh

    It’s such a chilled city. They’re having their weekend festival on sisowath quay. It turns into a kind of mild long farmers market all down the tonle sap river. Families picnic by the palace as the sun goes down. Very charming. And the food is superb (apart from the insects and newts and algae and frogs) and the people are lovely and peaceful. And the women are probably the prettiest in South east Asia

    And its poignantly perfect that the city with the WORST history in Indochina (if not the world) is now the most seductive

    Also you can buy Xanax and Tramadol OTC

    Don't know whether it is still the case, but shops that had a Laughing Cow cheese in the window would sell you dope.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,423
    edited February 14
    HYUFD said:

    On last nights Restore Britain launch and prospects. Rupert is way too radical to win a GE but hes exactly radical enough to hoover up the genuine 'last chance salooners' from Reform (and Tories of that mind not convinced by Farage) who are sick of the 'we will just rerun Boris cabinet' approach. And he will hold Yarmouth at a canter.
    Reform at 29% are winning. Reform at, say, 24% start falling just short everywhere.

    Yes I expect Kemi and SKS are rather more delighted Lowe has started his own party than Farage is
    Lowe is quite likely to go non aggression with the Tories. Quite a few of them have supported some of his initiatives and he seems to genuinely like quite a few of them.
    He will try and burn Reform to the ground though for what they did to him.
    I can see Rosindell ending up double jumping to him although Lowe seems anti defection
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,105
    edited February 14
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    Ahem. Its the voters that elect.

    I am not a Londoner, but no matter how good, a fresh face is needed every now and then. Time for Khan to do something else.
    Agreed. Why the f didn’t they put term limits into law when they established the mayoralty? Idiots

    It’s exactly the sort of place when an incumbent can cement a corrupt fiefdom and rule forever. As khan intends to do. The next government needs to change the law

    This would apply to any mayor, Tory Labour BNP whatever. Three terms is excessive. Four is an outrage

    That said I think khan will find it really hard to win again. He’s not loved or liked he’s just got an ethnic bloc vote. If the other parties can find anyone credible to stand, he will be extremely beatable
    That's a problem. It may be the "Londonistan" line coming out of the MAGA Loofs such as Trump, Vance, Miller and the rest, and pumped out by the -pumpers at Speccie / Telegraph / Mail / GBN and the rest, and picked up by the BTL mouth breathers - but it's bollocks.

    At the 2024 Mayoral Election Khan lost much of the Muslim vote on the Gaza question, and he still had nearly half the vote, with 44% of the vote vs 33% for Susan Hall. And 3.2% for Howard Cox the 2-24 Ref UK candidate who is now in Rupert Lowe's outfit.

    Those on the Right need to get away from the bullshit firehose, or they will be chasing wild geese in London.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031
    edited February 14
    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    Barnesian said:

    Battlebus said:

    How about a non-controversial issue that rarely gets mentioned on PB? And what odds for her running in 2028?

    Ocasio-Cortez says ‘unconditional’ US aid to Israel ‘enabled a genocide in Gaza’

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5738391-ocasio-cortez-israel-gaza-genocide-biden/

    The odds on her being the Democrat candidate is 11.5 (9%) on Betfair.
    Second favourite behind Newsom.

    I think the dream ticket for the Dems is Newsom with AOC as his VP.
    Newsom provides the look (white, male, tall, presidential) and a strategy that can widen the appeal beyond the core.
    AOC provides the fire and energy that will get out the core vote.
    Width and depth.
    Dream ticket for Vance you mean! An arrogant rich California Democrat as their nominee with a far left woke Israel hater from New York as his running mate is guaranteed to turn middle America off.

    Buttigieg or Shapiro or Beshear might worry Vance and the GOP, Newsom and AOC would not
    Almost anyone could beat Vance, assuming fair election in 2028.
    Perhaps if Trump's approval ratings continue to be in the toilet but Vance is clever and ruthless and grew up in poverty in Ohio, which was the ultimate swing state until 2020 and got himself to the 2nd most powerful job in the land by cunning and hard work.

    Gavin Newsom's father meanwhile was attorney for Getty Oil and AOC's father was an architect and neither have shown any ability to connect with swing voters in the rustbelt, they have only been elected in safe Democrat states.

    AOC has dropped her pronouns and has adopted Bernie Sanders priorities, in particular, cost of living.

    A 2025 AtlasIntel poll found her to be one of only three major political leaders with a net positive image, with 46% of Americans viewing her positively compared to 44% negatively.

    AOC recently toured Arizona and Nevada with Bernie Sanders, where they attracted record-breaking crowds (including 34,000 in Denver, Colorado).

    A July 2025 poll of "Biden skippers"—voters in battleground states who sat out the 2024 election—found that 78% had a favorable view of Bernie Sanders, the highest of any Democratic-aligned figure.

    I'm not suggesting her for President - too young, short, woman, brown - but as a VP complement to Newsom (tall, white, male, presidential). It's a ticket that reaches Bernie Sanders supporters. AOC is young enough to bide her time as VP for two terms if necessary.

    It's a strong combination.
    It isn't.

    For example a Zogby poll last month had Vance beating Newsom 44% to 41%

    https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vances-chances-of-beating-harris-newsom-in-2028-election-poll-11362016

    A poll last year had Buttigieg with a 4% lead over Vance, similar to Biden's winning victory margin over Trump in 2020 while Newsom led Vance by just 2%, similar to Hillary's lead in the popular vote in 2016 which was not enough to win the EC
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Bj9_tUbMG1yCnME1rc7ggQF7qt8mmxetIfD7bQL167w/edit?gid=1183487657#gid=1183487657

    Emerson last year gave Vance a 3% lead over AOC
    https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2025-national-poll/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,974
    Is there any market on Matt Weston for SPoTY?

    If he’s the only GB gold medalist he’ll almost certainly be on the shortlist.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,031
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Labour in job-for life mode...

    Ahem. Its the voters that elect.

    I am not a Londoner, but no matter how good, a fresh face is needed every now and then. Time for Khan to do something else.
    Agreed. Why the f didn’t they put term limits into law when they established the mayoralty? Idiots

    It’s exactly the sort of place when an incumbent can cement a corrupt fiefdom and rule forever. As khan intends to do. The next government needs to change the law

    This would apply to any mayor, Tory Labour BNP whatever. Three terms is excessive. Four is an outrage

    That said I think khan will find it really hard to win again. He’s not loved or liked he’s just got an ethnic bloc vote. If the other parties can find anyone credible to stand, he will be extremely beatable
    That's a problem. It may be the "Londonistan" line coming out of the MAGA Loofs such as Trump, Vance, Miller and the rest, and pumped out by the -pumpers at Speccie / Telegraph / Mail / GBN and the rest, and picked up by the BTL mouth breathers - but it's bollocks.

    At the 2024 Mayoral Election Khan lost much of the Muslim vote on the Gaza question, and he still had nearly half the vote, with 44% of the vote vs 33% for Susan Hall. And 3.2% for Howard Cox the 2-24 Ref UK candidate who is now in Rupert Lowe's outfit.

    Those on the Right need to get away from the bullshit firehose, or they will be chasing wild geese in London.
    Coe could win London, a Reformer wouldn't be able to reach beyond the Outer suburbs
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,602
    Sandpit said:

    Is there any market on Matt Weston for SPoTY?

    If he’s the only GB gold medalist he’ll almost certainly be on the shortlist.

    Betfair exchange has its market up. Probably not much liquidity, but I see George Russell is a short price. Are Mercedes expected to do well? I see a lot of people are not impressed with the new cars.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,922
    Ukraine used two FP-2 strike drones to utterly obliterate a Russian operational HQ.

    They also used them to destroy a base of the feared Russian Rubikon drone operators.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C208kpEXiLA

    So much winning by RUssia. They also appear to be losing territory in a Ukrainina counter - territory it cost sthem many ts of thousand dead to acquire. If so, the whole Russian strategy in Ukraine of swapping bodies for land is collapsing.
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