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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,601

    DavidL said:

    DoctorG said:

    Ooh, Jaguar I-Pace. Don't mind if I do:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg7erzygx52o

    So he is accued of embezzling best part of £40k a year. Say £60k a year earnings to generate that.

    His wife must have thought him VERY lucky on the lottery.

    I just can’t believe a control freak like Sturgeon didn’t know what her husband was doing.
    Be interesting to know if this 450k may have been from the 'ring fenced for indyref 2' account. From the charge sheet it appears Mr Murrell has been accused of taking money over an extended period, 12 years rather than a matter of months. I'm not surprised there were questions asked of the party treasurer, odd if he hadnt noticed any money missing.

    12 years and no one else in the party noticed?
    The Indy supporters in the SNP were sidelined after 2014. The Sturgeonites that took over the party didn’t care about the Indyref account. Independence is a distraction from trans, net zero, etc.
    In addition, everyone else at the top of the SNP was being blocked from seeing the party accounts.
    But they are published by the Electoral Commission. Who presumably got false returns indicating that money had been spent in ways that was inaccurate.
    I honestly have no explanation for any of this, apart from a bunch of money vanished and a number of people behaved in completely inexplicable ways.

    It will make a fascinating book - perhaps Robert Harris could write it.
    The only thing I can think of is that the SNP (or Murrell) was operating an undeclared slush fund of undeclared donations that Murrell was able to dip in and out of when the need arose and then dipped into these funds for his own benefit. There was some speculation that such a fund had been used to keep the membership figures somewhat higher than they really were. I simply don't understand how this could possibly occur over such a period with the regulated money within the SNP.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,500
    Not to rain on the parade, but there is scant evidence that people are switching away from Reform, and back to the Conservatives and Labour.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,609
    stodge said:

    malcolmg said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    A curious experience - the man at one of the local corner shops has just told me you will need a UK Passport to get benefits from now on.

    Is this right? Some might say "too right, me old china" while others might take a more nuanced view.

    I must confess I've never given it much thought - I assume for instance those with ILDR or with settled status (as EU citizens) can apply for such benefits. I don't know how many of my Tamil neighbours from South India or Sri Lanka hold UK passports in addition to their country of birth.

    Sounds a sensible idea.
    As others have pointed out, there's no requirement for a British-born person to own a passport unless they travel abroad. Are you suggesting anyone who hasn't travelled abroad shouldn't have access to any benefits so a 67-year old who has always been in Britain all his or her life would be denied a pension?
    Given the context I suspect the shopkeeper meant “British citizenship” when he said “passport” rather than the specific document
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,609

    Leon said:

    Oh god. Whatever your politics this is sad

    “British Muslims feel increasingly unwelcome and unsafe, census shows”

    https://x.com/thecanaryuk/status/2022326031516848341?s=4

    It seems that many UK Muslims feel increasingly unsafe, with large minorities planning to leave

    This is disastrous. What can we do?!

    It's awful that anyone should feel unsafe in their own country. Shame on the pedders of hate who have made this happen. And of course if it's Muslims today it'll be somebody else next. This is how fascists operate and it's why they have to be confronted always.
    First they came for the Jews…
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,527
    edited February 13

    “Two jailed over plot to attack Jewish community”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8gv2327y7o

    How many of the Jewish community have been arrested for plots to bomb “other communities”?

    Is the there any good reason for this headline not to include the word islamists?
  • Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    Love your Avatar

    Reminds me of my days in Edinburgh City Police [early 1965] and my box at Tollcross

    It was unbelievably cold pounding the streets on the night shift in February
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494
    Sean_F said:

    Not to rain on the parade, but there is scant evidence that people are switching away from Reform, and back to the Conservatives and Labour.

    I'm not convinced it's really about that.

    If we had real leadership and bold rising to the challenge, then I think the electorate would respond to that.
  • Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    Love your Avatar

    Reminds me of my days in Edinburgh City Police [early 1965] and my box at Tollcross

    It was unbelievably cold pounding the streets on the night shift in February
    Thank you.
    I’m Leith-bound mostly these days.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915

    “Two jailed over plot to attack Jewish community”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8gv2327y7o

    How many of the Jewish community have been arrested for plots to bomb “other communities”?

    Is the there any good reason for this headline not to include the word islamists?
    Community cohesion ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494
    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    Love your Avatar

    Reminds me of my days in Edinburgh City Police [early 1965] and my box at Tollcross

    It was unbelievably cold pounding the streets on the night shift in February
    Thank you.
    I’m Leith-bound mostly these days.
    I did wonder if your handle was a reference to the great TV show which first appeared, as an Armchair Cinema, in the seventies .
  • Taz said:

    “Two jailed over plot to attack Jewish community”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8gv2327y7o

    How many of the Jewish community have been arrested for plots to bomb “other communities”?

    Is the there any good reason for this headline not to include the word islamists?
    Community cohesion ?
    Who wants to cohere with Islamists in their community?
  • Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    Love your Avatar

    Reminds me of my days in Edinburgh City Police [early 1965] and my box at Tollcross

    It was unbelievably cold pounding the streets on the night shift in February
    Thank you.
    I’m Leith-bound mostly these days.
    I did wonder if your handle was a reference to the great TV show which first appeared, as an Armchair Cinema, in the seventies .
    Ah Regan and Carter. No, more prosaic than that.
  • Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    Love your Avatar

    Reminds me of my days in Edinburgh City Police [early 1965] and my box at Tollcross

    It was unbelievably cold pounding the streets on the night shift in February
    Thank you.
    I’m Leith-bound mostly these days.
    I well remember walking down Leith walk on match days with my sister, as we had season tickets for Hibs
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,602

    Leon said:

    Oh god. Whatever your politics this is sad

    “British Muslims feel increasingly unwelcome and unsafe, census shows”

    https://x.com/thecanaryuk/status/2022326031516848341?s=4

    It seems that many UK Muslims feel increasingly unsafe, with large minorities planning to leave

    This is disastrous. What can we do?!

    It's awful that anyone should feel unsafe in their own country. Shame on the pedders of hate who have made this happen. And of course if it's Muslims today it'll be somebody else next. This is how fascists operate and it's why they have to be confronted always.
    First they came for the Jews…
    Then they came for the cliché mongers and I was fine about it.
  • Sweeney74 said:

    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    Love your Avatar

    Reminds me of my days in Edinburgh City Police [early 1965] and my box at Tollcross

    It was unbelievably cold pounding the streets on the night shift in February
    Thank you.
    I’m Leith-bound mostly these days.
    I did wonder if your handle was a reference to the great TV show which first appeared, as an Armchair Cinema, in the seventies .
    Ah Regan and Carter. No, more prosaic than that.
    As an LFC fan, it actually hurt when I had to register on the hibs website so i could buy tickets to take my daughter to Easter Rd. she’s a proper Leither, not like this aging Scouser.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,545

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    We have no navy. The ships we have are just limping along and are in no state to fight.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,343

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    Sweeney74 said:

    Taz said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    Love your Avatar

    Reminds me of my days in Edinburgh City Police [early 1965] and my box at Tollcross

    It was unbelievably cold pounding the streets on the night shift in February
    Thank you.
    I’m Leith-bound mostly these days.
    I did wonder if your handle was a reference to the great TV show which first appeared, as an Armchair Cinema, in the seventies .
    Ah Regan and Carter. No, more prosaic than that.
    Surname then ?

    The Armchair Cinema, Regan, which preceded it was shown in 1974
  • If challenging Islamism is forbidden then everything other than Islamism is finished
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    Together for a stronger regulatory body and more GDPR.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,566

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    It's begging to be expanded to the size of Reading.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494
    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,343
    edited February 13

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,513
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DoctorG said:

    Ooh, Jaguar I-Pace. Don't mind if I do:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg7erzygx52o

    So he is accued of embezzling best part of £40k a year. Say £60k a year earnings to generate that.

    His wife must have thought him VERY lucky on the lottery.

    I just can’t believe a control freak like Sturgeon didn’t know what her husband was doing.
    Be interesting to know if this 450k may have been from the 'ring fenced for indyref 2' account. From the charge sheet it appears Mr Murrell has been accused of taking money over an extended period, 12 years rather than a matter of months. I'm not surprised there were questions asked of the party treasurer, odd if he hadnt noticed any money missing.

    12 years and no one else in the party noticed?
    The Indy supporters in the SNP were sidelined after 2014. The Sturgeonites that took over the party didn’t care about the Indyref account. Independence is a distraction from trans, net zero, etc.
    In addition, everyone else at the top of the SNP was being blocked from seeing the party accounts.
    But they are published by the Electoral Commission. Who presumably got false returns indicating that money had been spent in ways that was inaccurate.
    I honestly have no explanation for any of this, apart from a bunch of money vanished and a number of people behaved in completely inexplicable ways.

    It will make a fascinating book - perhaps Robert Harris could write it.
    The only thing I can think of is that the SNP (or Murrell) was operating an undeclared slush fund of undeclared donations that Murrell was able to dip in and out of when the need arose and then dipped into these funds for his own benefit. There was some speculation that such a fund had been used to keep the membership figures somewhat higher than they really were. I simply don't understand how this could possibly occur over such a period with the regulated money within the SNP.
    I would be delighted if you were prosecuting, @DavidL. I suspect some of my money is amongst that illegally used.
  • Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    If its unrealised, how is it a capital gain?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,602

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
    Will you forgive the Tories for getting us to that position?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494
    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
  • Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    Even the Indians also.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    Sweeney74 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    If its unrealised, how is it a capital gain?

    Well indeed but they are planning to.

    California are doing the same.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
    Will you forgive the Tories for getting us to that position?
    Tedious, childish, partisan and unhelpful.

    Governments of all stripes over the last 25 years own this and, in case you haven't been paying any fucking attention whatsoever, I ripped shreds out of the government at the time due to the 2010 defence review, and cancelled my membership over it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,343

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
    It's also on incompetence, and believing big ticket items - carriers being one example - are more important than combat capacity.

    You can't run three world class services (as we've pretended for the last couple of decades) on a shoestring.
    And the nuclear deterrent takes almost half of the capital budget for weapons systems.

    We know ministers don't understand reality - and that service leader lie to them (see the last decade of Ajax).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,343

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
    It's also on incompetence, and believing big ticket items - carriers being one example - are more important than combat capacity.

    You can't run three world class services (as we've pretended for the last couple of decades) on a shoestring.
    And the nuclear deterrent takes almost half of the capital budget for weapons systems.

    We know ministers don't understand reality - and that service leader lie to them (see the last decade of Ajax).
    Err, yeah.

    I know.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915

    Taz said:

    “Two jailed over plot to attack Jewish community”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8gv2327y7o

    How many of the Jewish community have been arrested for plots to bomb “other communities”?

    Is the there any good reason for this headline not to include the word islamists?
    Community cohesion ?
    Who wants to cohere with Islamists in their community?
    Politicians who want their votes ?
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Bollocks.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,601
    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,864

    isam said:

    Reform out to 2.36 from 2.06 last week for most seats at the next GE

    Political betting markets are having almost as crazy a week as the politicians are. Reform have been favourite to get most seats in the next GE for a very long time and have been roughly 50% for weeks now. A few minutes ago they dipped to 33% and Labour went favourites at 35%!

    https://x.com/senseichanning/status/2022346714468995086?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    All bounced back again now. It's extremely volatile and there are definitely people betting their money on something very bad emerging for Reform shortly.

    https://x.com/senseichanning/status/2022356241515725174?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The swingback crew are awake and betting.

    I suppose we are not a million miles from 24/24/24 and 'guess' on most seats
    The peril for Reform is falling behind the Tories. That will take much of the wind from under their wings.
    Hence the constant hysterical attacks etc
    At some point theyll have to move on and realise they havent killed the Tories
    Althought= they have done a decent job of detoxifying them by hoovering up the voter-repellent fag ends from the last Government. Bless them,
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,343
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    Badly.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,408
    I this your conclusion on this poll is mistaken. What it tells you is that people on the left are far more hostile to the right than people on the right are to the left. This has been seen again and again in the US polling for a number of years. There is an argument that what this shows is the left being more intolerant to different viewpoints than the right is.

    More relevant polling would be leader approval ratings.

    I don't know if it has been mentioned on here already but I see Gallup is to stop doing Presidential approval ratings after eight decades. Easy to be despondent but I doubt they be doing it if the numbers were good for the Don.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,343

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    Even the Indians also.
    India has a larger economy than us; Australia ... doesn't.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    Like this

    https://x.com/bitcoinnewscom/status/2021978390870347923?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    Badly.
    These are not, presumably, stupid people so why are they doing it ?

    Australia has been speaking about it, Kamala Harris proposed one, California is implementing one.

    Surely it is going to be easy to avoid as a lot of it will be portable.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,367

    isam said:

    Reform out to 2.36 from 2.06 last week for most seats at the next GE

    Political betting markets are having almost as crazy a week as the politicians are. Reform have been favourite to get most seats in the next GE for a very long time and have been roughly 50% for weeks now. A few minutes ago they dipped to 33% and Labour went favourites at 35%!

    https://x.com/senseichanning/status/2022346714468995086?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    All bounced back again now. It's extremely volatile and there are definitely people betting their money on something very bad emerging for Reform shortly.

    https://x.com/senseichanning/status/2022356241515725174?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    The swingback crew are awake and betting.

    I suppose we are not a million miles from 24/24/24 and 'guess' on most seats
    The peril for Reform is falling behind the Tories. That will take much of the wind from under their wings.
    Hence the constant hysterical attacks etc
    At some point theyll have to move on and realise they havent killed the Tories
    Althought= they have done a decent job of detoxifying them by hoovering up the voter-repellent fag ends from the last Government. Bless them,
    Suella the socialist and friends.
    They've gone to end their careers as we watch. Bless.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,444

    we had season tickets for Hibs

    Cruel and unusual punishment
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Oh God, you're such a dick.

    If you go into every negotiation believing that then, duh, unsurprisingly the other side will cream you, because it will take advantage of your confirmation bias. It will laugh at you, and then make it happen. Because it's massively in theirs interests, and easy.

    Now, of course, you'll say that's because it is weak. But that's bollocks. We are a highly advanced economy and one of the Big Three and have big advantages that the EU needs.

    There's plenty of scope for equitable deals. We need to work together. You just have to know your own negotiating position and strengths, and then you can get to win-win trade deals.

    I know it pains you to hear it, but the EU isn't that strong. It's a bunch of French and German farmers and conglomerates who can't innovate, can't defend themselves and are as effete as an egg souffle.

    You need to fucking get over what happened 10 years ago, and generally stop being such a twat.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,732
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    To this ignoramus it sounds as though anyone who isn't wealthy but owns something that's increased in value will be obliged to sell it to realise the capital gain they want the tax from.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,221
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    Badly.
    These are not, presumably, stupid people so why are they doing it ?

    Australia has been speaking about it, Kamala Harris proposed one, California is implementing one.

    Surely it is going to be easy to avoid as a lot of it will be portable.
    I would not be adverse to a small wealth tax: like 0.25% or so on all assets above 1m.

    But unrealised capital gains is dumb because the spot price of an asset, and the price at which you could sell a meaningful quantity of an asset are very different.

    And what happens if, the next year, the price of the asset halves? Do I get all my money back from the tax man?

  • Scott_xP said:

    we had season tickets for Hibs

    Cruel and unusual punishment
    Loyalty matters
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,444
    @kyledcheney

    BREAKING: ICE director Todd LYONS says the two officers involved in the Jan. 14 chase/shooting incident appear to have lied under oath and are being investigated by DOJ. This comes after DHS Secretary Kristi Noem defended them as firing in self-defense.

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/2022384030797435124?s=20
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,367
    Rupert has launched.
    Restore > Reform
    The right vote will be splitting further
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,602
    edited February 13

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
    Will you forgive the Tories for getting us to that position?
    Tedious, childish, partisan and unhelpful.

    Governments of all stripes over the last 25 years own this and, in case you haven't been paying any fucking attention whatsoever, I ripped shreds out of the government at the time due to the 2010 defence review, and cancelled my membership over it.

    I’m sorry for introducing partisanship to such an impartial chap as yourself, and for not remembering what you were busting a forehead vein over 16 years ago.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,221
    AnneJGP said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    To this ignoramus it sounds as though anyone who isn't wealthy but owns something that's increased in value will be obliged to sell it to realise the capital gain they want the tax from.
    Correct: but what if the asset is illiquid and/or hard to subdivide?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,002
    Though only 1% more of GenZ said they would not date a Kemi supporter than a Starmer supporter with Farage supporters being viewed less favourably than both with that age group
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,601
    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    Like this

    https://x.com/bitcoinnewscom/status/2021978390870347923?s=61
    Apparently the French (of course) tried this in the late 90s:

    https://x.com/DenisPayre/status/2022204982087344299
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,221

    Scott_xP said:

    we had season tickets for Hibs

    Cruel and unusual punishment
    Loyalty matters
    Wait.

    Are you @HYUFD ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,221
    HYUFD said:

    Though only 1% more of GenZ said they would not date a Kemi supporter than a Starmer supporter with Farage supporters being viewed less favourably than both with that age group

    I'd date a Kemi supporter... But that's a bit theoretical isn't it? I mean, you'd have to find one first.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,002
    edited February 13
    Brixian59 said:

    On topic

    Kemi did say she only joined the Tories for the social life and presumably to find a nice lad.

    Rather sums up the image of Young Conservatives.

    In the 1950s pre internet and iphones, joining the YCs was one of the best ways for an upper middle class young gent to meet an upper middle class young lady when class defined our politics more
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,367
    Next election in England we will have, from right to left

    Advance UK, Restore Britain, Reform UK, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Labour, Workers Party of Britain, Your Party, Greens
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,002
    edited February 13

    Vote SKS Lab get Reform

    Fletton & Woodston (Peterborough) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 29.4% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 27.6% (+16.2)
    🌳 CON: 21.8% (-11.8)
    🌹 LAB: 16.8% (-31.2)
    🔶 LDM: 4.4% (-0.7)

    No TUSC (-1.9) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2024.

    Looks like Starmer Labour voters are more likely to even vote Tory than Green to beat Reform judging by the results in the 2 by elections last night
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,003

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    He's never needed much encouragement in that department.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    Badly.
    These are not, presumably, stupid people so why are they doing it ?

    Australia has been speaking about it, Kamala Harris proposed one, California is implementing one.

    Surely it is going to be easy to avoid as a lot of it will be portable.
    I would not be adverse to a small wealth tax: like 0.25% or so on all assets above 1m.

    But unrealised capital gains is dumb because the spot price of an asset, and the price at which you could sell a meaningful quantity of an asset are very different.

    And what happens if, the next year, the price of the asset halves? Do I get all my money back from the tax man?

    I think you know the answer to that one !
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,221

    Next election in England we will have, from right to left

    Advance UK, Restore Britain, Reform UK, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Labour, Workers Party of Britain, Your Party, Greens

    In what way is Reform right wing economically? Like Le Pen's party, they would be all in favour of 1970s Labour national champions.
  • HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    On topic

    Kemi did say she only joined the Tories for the social life and presumably to find a nice lad.

    Rather sums up the image of Young Conservatives.

    In the 1950s pre internet and iphones, joining the YCs was one of the best ways for an upper middle class young gent to meet an upper middle class young lady when class defined our politics more
    Kemi's not that old and all this class stuff is rather sad
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,732
    rcs1000 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    To this ignoramus it sounds as though anyone who isn't wealthy but owns something that's increased in value will be obliged to sell it to realise the capital gain they want the tax from.
    Correct: but what if the asset is illiquid and/or hard to subdivide?
    You either find the cash or go bankrupt or just hand over 'your' asset to them, I suppose.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,002
    edited February 13
    Scott_xP said:

    @juliamacfarlane

    U.S. Democrats write to Lord Mandelson, demanding he submit to questioning in front of Congress over the Epstein scandal

    Mandy to reply 'I will submit to questioning once the Clintons have finished their questioning by members of Congress'
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,367
    edited February 13
    rcs1000 said:

    Next election in England we will have, from right to left

    Advance UK, Restore Britain, Reform UK, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, Labour, Workers Party of Britain, Your Party, Greens

    In what way is Reform right wing economically? Like Le Pen's party, they would be all in favour of 1970s Labour national champions.
    OK, socially right to left. But then I'll need to shunt Galloway rightwards.....
    Hmmm, OK, remove 'from right to left'
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,408
    Foxy said:

    “Two jailed over plot to attack Jewish community”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8gv2327y7o

    How many of the Jewish community have been arrested for plots to attack “other communities”?

    I don't think the IDF get prosecuted. Usually medals.
    Britain's Jewish community inextricably linked to the IDF in your mind are they?

    Yet again you think you've made a clever point but it only reveals your backward moral instincts.
  • HYUFD said:

    Vote SKS Lab get Reform

    Fletton & Woodston (Peterborough) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 29.4% (New)
    🌍 GRN: 27.6% (+16.2)
    🌳 CON: 21.8% (-11.8)
    🌹 LAB: 16.8% (-31.2)
    🔶 LDM: 4.4% (-0.7)

    No TUSC (-1.9) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2024.

    Looks like Starmer Labour voters are more likely to even vote Tory than Green to beat Reform judging by the results in the 2 by elections last night
    Wrong as you were told by those actually in Worth
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,915
    AnneJGP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    To this ignoramus it sounds as though anyone who isn't wealthy but owns something that's increased in value will be obliged to sell it to realise the capital gain they want the tax from.
    Correct: but what if the asset is illiquid and/or hard to subdivide?
    You either find the cash or go bankrupt or just hand over 'your' asset to them, I suppose.
    Or they simply apply a charge to it so when you do sell they take their cut
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,002
    stodge said:

    Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere but an interesting post script to the ousting of Sussan Ley by Angus Taylor as Liberal Party leader in Australia:

    https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/handsome-sum-to-follow-leys-exit-as-pauline-hanson-reveals-her-pitch-to-the-voters-of-farrar/news-story/7ac89f93ae910d625ad569d2c547f3ef

    It appears Ley is going to quit Parliament and force a by-election in her Farrar seat which Pauline Hanson's One Nation will be fighting hard.

    It's an interesting thought - what if an ousted leader had to resign his or her seat so a by-election in Finchley in early 1991 or in Chingford in early 2004 or what about South West Norfolk in late 2022?

    The Independents were a strong second in Farrar and will fancy their chances to be better than One Nation in the wealthy middle class seat
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,732
    Taz said:

    AnneJGP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    To this ignoramus it sounds as though anyone who isn't wealthy but owns something that's increased in value will be obliged to sell it to realise the capital gain they want the tax from.
    Correct: but what if the asset is illiquid and/or hard to subdivide?
    You either find the cash or go bankrupt or just hand over 'your' asset to them, I suppose.
    Or they simply apply a charge to it so when you do sell they take their cut
    I think they need the money now, rather than later. Is expropriation a word?
  • Taz said:

    AnneJGP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    To this ignoramus it sounds as though anyone who isn't wealthy but owns something that's increased in value will be obliged to sell it to realise the capital gain they want the tax from.
    Correct: but what if the asset is illiquid and/or hard to subdivide?
    You either find the cash or go bankrupt or just hand over 'your' asset to them, I suppose.
    Or they simply apply a charge to it so when you do sell they take their cut
    A shave and a haircut…
  • Weston wins GOLD in the Skeleton sliding thingy!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,367
    Katie Hopkins first on board the Rupert train

    I wonder if he can get McMurdock to join him?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,002
    edited February 13
    Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    For a young leftie lady at least kissing a Tory they are likely to be reasonably high earners, probably a bit posh, have a degree and be reasonably well groomed. They might even live in Chelsea or the Cotswolds.

    Whereas a Reform voter is likely to be, in their eyes, a bit of an oik, uncouth and racist and probably lives in some provincial town north of Watford
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,343

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Oh God, you're such a dick.

    If you go into every negotiation believing that then, duh, unsurprisingly the other side will cream you, because it will take advantage of your confirmation bias. It will laugh at you, and then make it happen. Because it's massively in theirs interests, and easy.

    Now, of course, you'll say that's because it is weak. But that's bollocks. We are a highly advanced economy and one of the Big Three and have big advantages that the EU needs.

    There's plenty of scope for equitable deals. We need to work together. You just have to know your own negotiating position and strengths, and then you can get to win-win trade deals.

    I know it pains you to hear it, but the EU isn't that strong. It's a bunch of French and German farmers and conglomerates who can't innovate, can't defend themselves and are as effete as an egg souffle.

    You need to fucking get over what happened 10 years ago, and generally stop being such a twat.
    Brexit made both Europe and us weaker. But the EU is still a market comparable in size to the US.
    As for can't innovate, how many biotechs have become pharmas worth billions in the UK in the last thirty years ?
    Zero.
    How many manufacturing companies essential to the world chip industry do we have ?
    Whose nuclear reactor design are we building (at nearly double the cost they've done) ?

    The electorate agrees with me, not you.
    You can tell them they need to fucking get over it and stop being twats if you want, but good luck with that electoral pitch.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,864

    Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    Love your Avatar

    Reminds me of my days in Edinburgh City Police [early 1965] and my box at Tollcross

    It was unbelievably cold pounding the streets on the night shift in February
    If you've not come across the Radio 4 'McLevy' - they are worth a listen :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLevy

    "McLevy is a British radio crime drama series, written by David Ashton, about the 19th century Edinburgh police detective James McLevy. Broadcast on BBC Radio 4 as part of its Afternoon Drama slot, the drama stars Brian Cox and Siobhan Redmond".

    Some very enjoyable episodes and little local/historical nods.
  • HYUFD said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Never kissed a Tory, her T-shirt proclaimed.
    Didn’t have the heart to tell her.

    For a young leftie lady at least kissing a Tory they are likely to be reasonably high earners, probably a bit posh, have a degree and be reasonably well groomed. They might even live in Chelsea or the Cotswolds.

    Whereas a Reform voter is likely to be, in their eyes, a bit of an oik, uncouth and racist and probably lives in some provincial town north of Watford
    Or worse, Glasgow
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,566
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Oh God, you're such a dick.

    If you go into every negotiation believing that then, duh, unsurprisingly the other side will cream you, because it will take advantage of your confirmation bias. It will laugh at you, and then make it happen. Because it's massively in theirs interests, and easy.

    Now, of course, you'll say that's because it is weak. But that's bollocks. We are a highly advanced economy and one of the Big Three and have big advantages that the EU needs.

    There's plenty of scope for equitable deals. We need to work together. You just have to know your own negotiating position and strengths, and then you can get to win-win trade deals.

    I know it pains you to hear it, but the EU isn't that strong. It's a bunch of French and German farmers and conglomerates who can't innovate, can't defend themselves and are as effete as an egg souffle.

    You need to fucking get over what happened 10 years ago, and generally stop being such a twat.
    Brexit made both Europe and us weaker. But the EU is still a market comparable in size to the US.
    As for can't innovate, how many biotechs have become pharmas worth billions in the UK in the last thirty years ?
    Zero.
    How many manufacturing companies essential to the world chip industry do we have ?
    Whose nuclear reactor design are we building (at nearly double the cost they've done) ?

    The electorate agrees with me, not you.
    You can tell them they need to fucking get over it and stop being twats if you want, but good luck with that electoral pitch.
    "The electorate agrees with me, not you."

    Single issue polling doesn't work like that, unless you think the electorate would vote for a party promising to restore the death penalty?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,444
    @alexpartridge87.bsky.social‬

    Sliding headfirst down a hill is coming home
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,002
    edited February 13
    Leon said:

    Oh god. Whatever your politics this is sad

    “British Muslims feel increasingly unwelcome and unsafe, census shows”

    https://x.com/thecanaryuk/status/2022326031516848341?s=4

    It seems that many UK Muslims feel increasingly unsafe, with large minorities planning to leave

    This is disastrous. What can we do?!

    From that article 'We are seriously considering our plans to leave the UK should a more right-wing government come into power.'

    'I grew up with racism and Islamophobia back in the 80s. Then life felt good. I felt part of the fabric of society. My contributions felt valued and impactful. Now I do not admit to being from the UK, because the UK government and many people in power and the media make me feel unwanted and less than. Instead I say I’m from Liverpool. The only place in the UK I do feel part of and valued within'
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,804
    rcs1000 said:

    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    ‘ BREAKING: Netherlands’ House of Representatives has approved a 36% tax on unrealized capital gains.’


    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2022400407344157120?s=61

    How would that work?
    Badly.
    These are not, presumably, stupid people so why are they doing it ?

    Australia has been speaking about it, Kamala Harris proposed one, California is implementing one.

    Surely it is going to be easy to avoid as a lot of it will be portable.
    I would not be adverse to a small wealth tax: like 0.25% or so on all assets above 1m.

    But unrealised capital gains is dumb because the spot price of an asset, and the price at which you could sell a meaningful quantity of an asset are very different.

    And what happens if, the next year, the price of the asset halves? Do I get all my money back from the tax man?

    Would it apply to private (unlisted) companies?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,108
    edited February 13
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Oh God, you're such a dick.

    If you go into every negotiation believing that then, duh, unsurprisingly the other side will cream you, because it will take advantage of your confirmation bias. It will laugh at you, and then make it happen. Because it's massively in theirs interests, and easy.

    Now, of course, you'll say that's because it is weak. But that's bollocks. We are a highly advanced economy and one of the Big Three and have big advantages that the EU needs.

    There's plenty of scope for equitable deals. We need to work together. You just have to know your own negotiating position and strengths, and then you can get to win-win trade deals.

    I know it pains you to hear it, but the EU isn't that strong. It's a bunch of French and German farmers and conglomerates who can't innovate, can't defend themselves and are as effete as an egg souffle.

    You need to fucking get over what happened 10 years ago, and generally stop being such a twat.
    Brexit made both Europe and us weaker. But the EU is still a market comparable in size to the US.
    As for can't innovate, how many biotechs have become pharmas worth billions in the UK in the last thirty years ?
    Zero.
    How many manufacturing companies essential to the world chip industry do we have ?
    Whose nuclear reactor design are we building (at nearly double the cost they've done) ?

    The electorate agrees with me, not you.
    You can tell them they need to fucking get over it and stop being twats if you want, but good luck with that electoral pitch.
    The fact that GDP growth's worst decade in a century is congrous to the decade of Brexit is not a co-incidence.

    Sunlit uplands hey?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,871
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Oh God, you're such a dick.

    If you go into every negotiation believing that then, duh, unsurprisingly the other side will cream you, because it will take advantage of your confirmation bias. It will laugh at you, and then make it happen. Because it's massively in theirs interests, and easy.

    Now, of course, you'll say that's because it is weak. But that's bollocks. We are a highly advanced economy and one of the Big Three and have big advantages that the EU needs.

    There's plenty of scope for equitable deals. We need to work together. You just have to know your own negotiating position and strengths, and then you can get to win-win trade deals.

    I know it pains you to hear it, but the EU isn't that strong. It's a bunch of French and German farmers and conglomerates who can't innovate, can't defend themselves and are as effete as an egg souffle.

    You need to fucking get over what happened 10 years ago, and generally stop being such a twat.
    Brexit made both Europe and us weaker. But the EU is still a market comparable in size to the US.
    As for can't innovate, how many biotechs have become pharmas worth billions in the UK in the last thirty years ?
    Zero.
    How many manufacturing companies essential to the world chip industry do we have ?
    Whose nuclear reactor design are we building (at nearly double the cost they've done) ?

    The electorate agrees with me, not you.
    You can tell them they need to fucking get over it and stop being twats if you want, but good luck with that electoral pitch.
    The fact that GDP growth's worst decade in a century is congrous to the decade of Brexit is not a co-incidence.

    Sunlit uplands hey?
    You may have noticed a pandemic and a war in the last decade too?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,566
    edited February 13
    Apparently someone was beaten by antifa activists in Lyon and later declared brain dead.

    https://x.com/GabrielAttal/status/2022371745290703063

    https://x.com/J_Bardella/status/2022353404144603179
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
    Will you forgive the Tories for getting us to that position?
    Tedious, childish, partisan and unhelpful.

    Governments of all stripes over the last 25 years own this and, in case you haven't been paying any fucking attention whatsoever, I ripped shreds out of the government at the time due to the 2010 defence review, and cancelled my membership over it.

    I’m sorry for introducing partisanship to such an impartial chap as yourself, and for not remembering what you were busting a forehead vein over 16 years ago.
    Good man. At least my vein will be healed well before yours with your decades of disappointment over your compatriots failing to vote for your pet project.

    Never mind, eh.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,002
    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    Oh you lucky Londoners

    Sadiq Khan indicates he will stand for a fourth term

    https://x.com/standardnews/status/2022323752785113203?s=61

    Not the greatest surprise in all honesty and the end of his prospects (you'd think) of a Westminster career. I wonder if he has made the calculation Labour will lose in 2029 and he will be one of the higher-profile Labour figures left. He got that wrong before of course and could easily be wrong again.

    It's fair to say he has antagonised a lot of people in London but he'll likely face a number of opponents who will likely split the anti-Labour vote allowing him to win - for example, even if May's local elections are a disaster (which they probably will be), Labour will probably still poll more votes in London than Reform let alone the Conservatives.

    We know Laila Cunningham will be the Reform candidate and as for the Conservatives, it could be Sebastian Coe (though I doubt it) or James Cleverley (I doubt that too) but there'sa big risk said candidate will start in third and face being squeezed.
    Cunningham is Muslim, much as the average Reform voter may love to vote for a Muslim woman I can't really see her storming home some how and most Londoners won't vote for her as she is Reform.

    Coe would have a chance or Cleverly if he is not Tory leader by 2028
  • isamisam Posts: 43,615
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




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    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Oh God, you're such a dick.

    If you go into every negotiation believing that then, duh, unsurprisingly the other side will cream you, because it will take advantage of your confirmation bias. It will laugh at you, and then make it happen. Because it's massively in theirs interests, and easy.

    Now, of course, you'll say that's because it is weak. But that's bollocks. We are a highly advanced economy and one of the Big Three and have big advantages that the EU needs.

    There's plenty of scope for equitable deals. We need to work together. You just have to know your own negotiating position and strengths, and then you can get to win-win trade deals.

    I know it pains you to hear it, but the EU isn't that strong. It's a bunch of French and German farmers and conglomerates who can't innovate, can't defend themselves and are as effete as an egg souffle.

    You need to fucking get over what happened 10 years ago, and generally stop being such a twat.
    Brexit made both Europe and us weaker. But the EU is still a market comparable in size to the US.
    As for can't innovate, how many biotechs have become pharmas worth billions in the UK in the last thirty years ?
    Zero.
    How many manufacturing companies essential to the world chip industry do we have ?
    Whose nuclear reactor design are we building (at nearly double the cost they've done) ?

    The electorate agrees with me, not you.
    You can tell them they need to fucking get over it and stop being twats if you want, but good luck with that electoral pitch.
    The fact that GDP growth's worst decade in a century is congrous to the decade of Brexit is not a co-incidence.

    Sunlit uplands hey?
    You may have noticed a pandemic and a war in the last decade too?
    Don't encourage him, or they'll be because of Brexit as well
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Oh God, you're such a dick.

    If you go into every negotiation believing that then, duh, unsurprisingly the other side will cream you, because it will take advantage of your confirmation bias. It will laugh at you, and then make it happen. Because it's massively in theirs interests, and easy.

    Now, of course, you'll say that's because it is weak. But that's bollocks. We are a highly advanced economy and one of the Big Three and have big advantages that the EU needs.

    There's plenty of scope for equitable deals. We need to work together. You just have to know your own negotiating position and strengths, and then you can get to win-win trade deals.

    I know it pains you to hear it, but the EU isn't that strong. It's a bunch of French and German farmers and conglomerates who can't innovate, can't defend themselves and are as effete as an egg souffle.

    You need to fucking get over what happened 10 years ago, and generally stop being such a twat.
    Brexit made both Europe and us weaker. But the EU is still a market comparable in size to the US.
    As for can't innovate, how many biotechs have become pharmas worth billions in the UK in the last thirty years ?
    Zero.
    How many manufacturing companies essential to the world chip industry do we have ?
    Whose nuclear reactor design are we building (at nearly double the cost they've done) ?

    The electorate agrees with me, not you.
    You can tell them they need to fucking get over it and stop being twats if you want, but good luck with that electoral pitch.
    Nah, you're a boring tedious twat.

    Never mind, eh.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,500

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
    Will you forgive the Tories for getting us to that position?
    Tedious, childish, partisan and unhelpful.

    Governments of all stripes over the last 25 years own this and, in case you haven't been paying any fucking attention whatsoever, I ripped shreds out of the government at the time due to the 2010 defence review, and cancelled my membership over it.

    I’m sorry for introducing partisanship to such an impartial chap as yourself, and for not remembering what you were busting a forehead vein over 16 years ago.
    It’s partisan, but it’s an important point.

    Defence is an area where the Conservatives all too often talk right, but act left. Ditto criminal justice, ditto immigration.

    About the only conviction they had in office, over 14 years, was defending the economic interests of better off pensioners.

    If Reform destroy them, I’ll shed no tears.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,108
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Together for a strong Europe.




    image

    He's probably been correctly advised that the best way to shore up his position is to give head to the EU.
    The best way to ensure Europe and our strategic and economic futures is cooperation.
    That you don't like Starmer is irrelevant.
    I didn't say anything about Starmer.

    I'm fine with doing deals in our interests with our neighbours; I'm not with being a supplicant.
    Brexit ensured that.
    Oh God, you're such a dick.

    If you go into every negotiation believing that then, duh, unsurprisingly the other side will cream you, because it will take advantage of your confirmation bias. It will laugh at you, and then make it happen. Because it's massively in theirs interests, and easy.

    Now, of course, you'll say that's because it is weak. But that's bollocks. We are a highly advanced economy and one of the Big Three and have big advantages that the EU needs.

    There's plenty of scope for equitable deals. We need to work together. You just have to know your own negotiating position and strengths, and then you can get to win-win trade deals.

    I know it pains you to hear it, but the EU isn't that strong. It's a bunch of French and German farmers and conglomerates who can't innovate, can't defend themselves and are as effete as an egg souffle.

    You need to fucking get over what happened 10 years ago, and generally stop being such a twat.
    Brexit made both Europe and us weaker. But the EU is still a market comparable in size to the US.
    As for can't innovate, how many biotechs have become pharmas worth billions in the UK in the last thirty years ?
    Zero.
    How many manufacturing companies essential to the world chip industry do we have ?
    Whose nuclear reactor design are we building (at nearly double the cost they've done) ?

    The electorate agrees with me, not you.
    You can tell them they need to fucking get over it and stop being twats if you want, but good luck with that electoral pitch.
    The fact that GDP growth's worst decade in a century is congrous to the decade of Brexit is not a co-incidence.

    Sunlit uplands hey?
    You may have noticed a pandemic and a war in the last decade too?
    I never hafd you down as a Reeves apologist.

    Every decade has its events. The GFC of 2007, Black Wednesday in the 90's, the fuel crises of the Seventies etc etc.

    The fact is that GDP growth has been significantly below historic trend since 2016 points to one thing, and one obvious way to get back to historic growth rates.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,494
    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    Christ, I just looked up the size of our fleet.

    Fucking pathetic.

    We're supposed to have a dozen destroyers and over twenty frigates.

    Not numbers of both that you can count on one hand, and all largely laid up in port for want of men, fuel, and funds as well.

    No wonder we're a sitting duck.

    Australia has a better equipped airforce than we do.
    It's embarrassing.

    We're an island nation and entirely dependent upon freedom of navigation of the seas.

    This is utter negligence.
    Will you forgive the Tories for getting us to that position?
    Tedious, childish, partisan and unhelpful.

    Governments of all stripes over the last 25 years own this and, in case you haven't been paying any fucking attention whatsoever, I ripped shreds out of the government at the time due to the 2010 defence review, and cancelled my membership over it.

    I’m sorry for introducing partisanship to such an impartial chap as yourself, and for not remembering what you were busting a forehead vein over 16 years ago.
    It’s partisan, but it’s an important point.

    Defence is an area where the Conservatives all too often talk right, but act left. Ditto criminal justice, ditto immigration.

    About the only conviction they had in office, over 14 years, was defending the economic interests of better off pensioners.

    If Reform destroy them, I’ll shed no tears.
    And, that's why they're at where we're at.

    I just find it funny that regular posters feel the need to point it out to me as if I'm @HYUFD when I've regularly criticised the Conservatives on all those subjects over the last 15+ years, and well they know it.
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