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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,221
    edited 12:25AM
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Newsnight have Poppy whatnot on from the Telegraph. She's just said "They are saying this is worse than the Profumo Affair". The only person who has said that is Nigel Farage. I really can't believe that they keep puuting her on. She hates Starmer. and is totally hopeless.

    I really don't think she's the only person in the country who hates Starmer...
    Not even the only one on PB
    The Only SKS Fan In The Village?
    Do we have a single Starmer supporter other than the pet troll?
    I am a Tory but would rather have Starmer than Rayner or Ed Miliband
    Starmer has been very ineffective. The continuity Sunak policies were not what people voted for.

    Starmer has to go. Milliband would be a disaster of Johnsonian proportions.

    I don't like Rayner but she has more about her than Starmer, Milliband or Streeting.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,243
    Maybe Elon Musk has done something most PBers would approve of.

    "Starlink shutdown sends Russian soldiers back to Dark Ages
    Almost 90 per cent of Russian units have lost connections after Elon Musk ordered the switch-off" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/06/starlink-shutdown-sends-russian-soldiers-back-to-dark-ages
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,511
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Elon Musk has done something most PBers would approve of.

    "Starlink shutdown sends Russian soldiers back to Dark Ages
    Almost 90 per cent of Russian units have lost connections after Elon Musk ordered the switch-off" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/06/starlink-shutdown-sends-russian-soldiers-back-to-dark-ages

    Oh don't get me wrong, I approve of that. And it's not the first time he's done it. But it's the Superman problem: he is an individual who can save or damn states through his great wealth. No one man should have all that power, but in the 2020s we are breeding individuals - Musk, Thiel, Zuck, Bezos, etc - that do.

    It doesn't matter whether they are supervillains or superheroes, it's the "super" that's the problem.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,715
    London is most definitely not dead!!!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,402

    nico67 said:

    The hypocrisy of the right wing media who thought the Mandelson appointment was worth the risk and now going into major hysteria .

    Of course Starmer can’t say why he appointed Mandelson. Appoint a sleaze bag who will feel right at home with another sleaze bag.

    So the thing about this is, the pundits are being willfully obtuse but
    - Everyone knows why he did it
    - Everyone knows why he can't say why he did it

    Is there evidence that it's bothering the voters?
    It's probably got to the stage now where it's getting quite boring.

    Everyone has the measure of Andrew, Mandelson and Epstein by now.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,064
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Elon Musk has done something most PBers would approve of.

    "Starlink shutdown sends Russian soldiers back to Dark Ages
    Almost 90 per cent of Russian units have lost connections after Elon Musk ordered the switch-off" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/06/starlink-shutdown-sends-russian-soldiers-back-to-dark-ages

    Oh don't get me wrong, I approve of that. And it's not the first time he's done it. But it's the Superman problem: he is an individual who can save or damn states through his great wealth. No one man should have all that power, but in the 2020s we are breeding individuals - Musk, Thiel, Zuck, Bezos, etc - that do.

    It doesn't matter whether they are supervillains or superheroes, it's the "super" that's the problem.
    Not just individuals but nation states as well. It is the same fear that China can disable London buses.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,033
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Elon Musk has done something most PBers would approve of.

    "Starlink shutdown sends Russian soldiers back to Dark Ages
    Almost 90 per cent of Russian units have lost connections after Elon Musk ordered the switch-off" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/06/starlink-shutdown-sends-russian-soldiers-back-to-dark-ages

    Oh don't get me wrong, I approve of that. And it's not the first time he's done it. But it's the Superman problem: he is an individual who can save or damn states through his great wealth. No one man should have all that power, but in the 2020s we are breeding individuals - Musk, Thiel, Zuck, Bezos, etc - that do.

    It doesn't matter whether they are supervillains or superheroes, it's the "super" that's the problem.
    We can legitimately ask "what took him four years to do it?" too.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,979
    edited 4:38AM
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Elon Musk has done something most PBers would approve of.

    "Starlink shutdown sends Russian soldiers back to Dark Ages
    Almost 90 per cent of Russian units have lost connections after Elon Musk ordered the switch-off" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/02/06/starlink-shutdown-sends-russian-soldiers-back-to-dark-ages

    I can't get my head around the wheels within wheels on that one yet. Is he perhaps in some aspect survival mode?

    Musky baby is an unapologetic neo (or actual) fascist, trying to drive such politics. If I have to reach for a political analog, it would be around apartheid supporting tycoons in South Africa, or the true-believer industrialists who funded the Third Reich.

    I think - subject to European democracies successfully facing down the extremist right and maintaining a democratic polity (which it is touch and go whether the USA will lose) - it will be Europe & other politicians in 1st world that put him in his place as the Trump / America First / MAGA initiated spiral of decline takes hold in the USA and makes it America Alone.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,979

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Newsnight have Poppy whatnot on from the Telegraph. She's just said "They are saying this is worse than the Profumo Affair". The only person who has said that is Nigel Farage. I really can't believe that they keep puuting her on. She hates Starmer. and is totally hopeless.

    I really don't think she's the only person in the country who hates Starmer...
    Not even the only one on PB
    The Only SKS Fan In The Village?
    Do we have a single Starmer supporter other than the pet troll?
    I am a Tory but would rather have Starmer than Rayner or Ed Miliband
    Starmer has been very ineffective. The continuity Sunak policies were not what people voted for.

    Starmer has to go. Milliband would be a disaster of Johnsonian proportions.

    I don't like Rayner but she has more about her than Starmer, Milliband or Streeting.
    I think that Starmer will turn out to have been effective on a lot of small but strategic areas, but those are things that do not animate the electorate.

    But he wants to be a Civil Servant not a political PM, and this is a time that requires a political PM. Farage is there to be disembowelled politically in a hundred ways, and the Tories gutted the party but are left with the stinking entrails which could be exposed.

    But Starmer to me has neither the cunning nor the application to put 100 stakes through the vampire's chest, and at once to do solid political reforms in a limited number of areas.

    So he's playing with pieces of jigsaw over a cup of tea.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,703

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Newsnight have Poppy whatnot on from the Telegraph. She's just said "They are saying this is worse than the Profumo Affair". The only person who has said that is Nigel Farage. I really can't believe that they keep puuting her on. She hates Starmer. and is totally hopeless.

    I really don't think she's the only person in the country who hates Starmer...
    Not even the only one on PB
    The Only SKS Fan In The Village?
    Do we have a single Starmer supporter other than the pet troll?
    I don't hate Starmer. There isn't enough there to hate. He is a middle manager of the middling sort.
    He is Gordon Brittas!
    Gordon Brittas: It is seven years to the day since the first member of the public walked through those doors.

    Gavin Featherly: And you threw him out, Mr. Brittas!

    Gordon Brittas: He was wearing unauthorised water wings, Gavin.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 862
    Reform Wales leader caught lying at his first public outing!!!

    https://nation.cymru/news/the-new-leader-of-reform-uk-wales-lives-in-bath-not-wales/

    Apart from the poor optics, it is a legal requirement that a Senedd candidate resides in Wales......

    This could be awkward!!
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,098
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Newsnight have Poppy whatnot on from the Telegraph. She's just said "They are saying this is worse than the Profumo Affair". The only person who has said that is Nigel Farage. I really can't believe that they keep puuting her on. She hates Starmer. and is totally hopeless.

    I really don't think she's the only person in the country who hates Starmer...
    Not even the only one on PB
    The Only SKS Fan In The Village?
    Do we have a single Starmer supporter other than the pet troll?
    I'm Spartacus!

    I've been frustrated with Starmer, but I broadly think he's been doing a good job without getting any credit for it.

    I think if he does stand down before the next election, he'll be remembered a bit like John Major. Not an exceptional PM, but better with the benefit of perspective.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,315
    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    Newsnight have Poppy whatnot on from the Telegraph. She's just said "They are saying this is worse than the Profumo Affair". The only person who has said that is Nigel Farage. I really can't believe that they keep puuting her on. She hates Starmer. and is totally hopeless.

    I really don't think she's the only person in the country who hates Starmer...
    Not even the only one on PB
    The Only SKS Fan In The Village?
    Do we have a single Starmer supporter other than the pet troll?
    I'm Spartacus!

    I've been frustrated with Starmer, but I broadly think he's been doing a good job without getting any credit for it.

    I think if he does stand down before the next election, he'll be remembered a bit like John Major. Not an exceptional PM, but better with the benefit of perspective.
    The bar was set very low with Johnson and Truss but like his immediate predecessor, Sunak, he cleared it comfortably by simply being honest and industrious. That's all I asked for. You could say that's all I got, but I'll settle for that.
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