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Punters unmoved by recent events – politicalbetting.com

If Sir Keir Starmer is ousted in the next few months I suspect the Labour price might improve as new Prime Ministers usually get a bounce, even Liz Truss experienced a bounce.

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,582
    First.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,612
    FPT...
    Andy_JS said:

    This island that Epstein used - which country's police jurisdiction was supposed to be in charge of it? No-one seems to be asking this question, or I may have missed it.

    It's in the US Virgin Islands, so the United States Virgin Islands Police Department, but ultimately I presume it comes under FBI, etc.

    It was part of the last purchase the US made from Denmark... and now Trump wants to make another. Coincidence?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,582
    Not a good look...

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/06/jeffrey-epstein-scandal-politics-mass-abuse-women-girls

    Look at the headlines, or what’s dominating all the news bulletins. We’re talking about anything but the things that most need to be reckoned with. In the UK, we’re talking round the clock about Peter Mandelson, the one guy in this we at least know wasn’t making sexually abusive use of Epstein’s trafficked women and girls. Even if he did offer Epstein image rehab advice, which, as discussed here in depth on Tuesday, was a foray into the moral abyss. (Again.) But the frenzied and remorseless focus on political fallout – and not the male-on-female debasement that is the entire heart of this story, and always has been – is weird, isn’t it?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,013
    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,578
    tlg86 said:

    Not a good look...

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/06/jeffrey-epstein-scandal-politics-mass-abuse-women-girls

    Look at the headlines, or what’s dominating all the news bulletins. We’re talking about anything but the things that most need to be reckoned with. In the UK, we’re talking round the clock about Peter Mandelson, the one guy in this we at least know wasn’t making sexually abusive use of Epstein’s trafficked women and girls. Even if he did offer Epstein image rehab advice, which, as discussed here in depth on Tuesday, was a foray into the moral abyss. (Again.) But the frenzied and remorseless focus on political fallout – and not the male-on-female debasement that is the entire heart of this story, and always has been – is weird, isn’t it?

    There are some messages from Mandelson to Epstein that suggest that the transactions between them were not just information and money.

    Can’t say more because of legal stuff for OGH

    “Desp. for a CuAm”
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,024
    edited February 6
    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,063
    Things that ought to matter, often don't.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,063
    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    This will delay the release of evidence.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,582

    Things that ought to matter, often don't.

    Starmer leaving is priced in, isn't it. Just a question of when.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702
    edited February 6
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No. Just minimise the damage, perhaps.

    Staunch the bleeding. Best that could be hoped for. Take note, Labour.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702
    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    Waiting for the perp walk, personally.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,243
    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 117
    With reference to Burnham and being shafted by Starmer andvNEC

    If I was Burnham I'd be ringing Starmer up and thank him for saving my political career

    Jesus fecking Christ
    Mother Theresa
    Nelson Mandela

    Could not win that seat for Labour in the midst of this shit storm
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,409

    tlg86 said:

    Not a good look...

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/06/jeffrey-epstein-scandal-politics-mass-abuse-women-girls

    Look at the headlines, or what’s dominating all the news bulletins. We’re talking about anything but the things that most need to be reckoned with. In the UK, we’re talking round the clock about Peter Mandelson, the one guy in this we at least know wasn’t making sexually abusive use of Epstein’s trafficked women and girls. Even if he did offer Epstein image rehab advice, which, as discussed here in depth on Tuesday, was a foray into the moral abyss. (Again.) But the frenzied and remorseless focus on political fallout – and not the male-on-female debasement that is the entire heart of this story, and always has been – is weird, isn’t it?

    There are some messages from Mandelson to Epstein that suggest that the transactions between them were not just information and money.

    Can’t say more because of legal stuff for OGH

    “Desp. for a CuAm”
    I don’t think we have to be that coy

    Epstein is accused of gay rape, as well

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-21/epstein-accused-of-sexual-abuse-by-male-teen-intern-in-lawsuit

    It fits the pattern of a ravenous omnisexual appetite. Prefers girls but will sample variety
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    edited February 6
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,024
    edited February 6
    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV/broadcasts like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and simply don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.

    Times have moved on and will continue to do so...
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    Meanwhile in the U.K. the regressive TV license fee will rise to £180 and under consideration for the new settlement is a levy on streaming subscriptions and making people pay more if they earn more.

    Most of the,license fee goes to fund a service people are using less and less.

    Traditional media is screwed but there is no will from the BBC or political class to acknowledge it. Only force us to keep funding it whether we like it or not.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,242
    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    What has Google done re YouTube?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,385
    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    If they're being thorough they need to cast the net wider than that.
  • GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    Meanwhile in the U.K. the regressive TV license fee will rise to £180 and under consideration for the new settlement is a levy on streaming subscriptions and making people pay more if they earn more.

    Most of the,license fee goes to fund a service people are using less and less.

    Traditional media is screwed but there is no will from the BBC or political class to acknowledge it. Only force us to keep funding it whether we like it or not.
    'BBC to show programmes on YouTube in landmark deal
    British public sector broadcaster will make unique shows for the platform and generate revenue from ads overseas'

    https://www.ft.com/content/cdcfbec7-1472-4161-a29f-71426333bd40
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    GIN1138 said:

    Peter Mandelsons homes currently being raided by the police? :open_mouth:

    Currently rummaging through his knicker drawer.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,493
    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    What has Google done re YouTube?
    Own it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,243
    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    What has Google done re YouTube?
    First time they published the revenue numbers in ages and they've shown just how far ahead of everyone else they are.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,024
    edited February 6

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    edited February 6
    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    Meanwhile in the U.K. the regressive TV license fee will rise to £180 and under consideration for the new settlement is a levy on streaming subscriptions and making people pay more if they earn more.

    Most of the,license fee goes to fund a service people are using less and less.

    Traditional media is screwed but there is no will from the BBC or political class to acknowledge it. Only force us to keep funding it whether we like it or not.
    'BBC to show programmes on YouTube in landmark deal
    British public sector broadcaster will make unique shows for the platform and generate revenue from ads overseas'

    https://www.ft.com/content/cdcfbec7-1472-4161-a29f-71426333bd40
    What relevance is that to what I wrote ?

    None of which is about replacing the license fee, merely complementing it and they already have YouTube channels, they already have commercial channels overseas and they also license their material to other streamers.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,612
    Good BBC coverage of Trump's racist Truth Social post: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8r8y78g10o

    White House are defending it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,582
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Basically, unless you want to watch live sport or anything on the BBC, you don't need a TV licence.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    Yet now in the run up to the new settlement the noises from the BBC are all about keeping the license fee with some possible changes. Said changes being to overcome the situation people like yourself put them in by cancelling the license fee. Looking at a way of funding that is harder to avoid.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    edited February 6
    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Basically, unless you want to watch live sport or anything on the BBC, you don't need a TV licence.
    You need it to watch any live TV as broadcast. Not just the BBC.

    I watched the Royal Rumble on Netflix last week, it was live so if I hadn’t got a license I’d need one to have watched it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,578
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    Meanwhile in the U.K. the regressive TV license fee will rise to £180 and under consideration for the new settlement is a levy on streaming subscriptions and making people pay more if they earn more.

    Most of the,license fee goes to fund a service people are using less and less.

    Traditional media is screwed but there is no will from the BBC or political class to acknowledge it. Only force us to keep funding it whether we like it or not.
    'BBC to show programmes on YouTube in landmark deal
    British public sector broadcaster will make unique shows for the platform and generate revenue from ads overseas'

    https://www.ft.com/content/cdcfbec7-1472-4161-a29f-71426333bd40
    What relevance is that to what I wrote ?

    None of which is about replacing the license fee, merely complementing it and they already have YouTube channels, they already have commercial channels overseas and they also license their material to other streamers.

    The Guild navigators BBC Manadrins, gifted with limited prescience, had made the fatal decision: they'd chosen always the clear, safe course that leads ever downward into stagnation.”
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,231

    Good BBC coverage of Trump's racist Truth Social post: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8r8y78g10o

    White House are defending it.

    Perhaps there's something in the Epstein document dump they failed to redact
  • Good BBC coverage of Trump's racist Truth Social post: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8r8y78g10o

    White House are defending it.

    Shocking and indefensible
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,582
    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Basically, unless you want to watch live sport or anything on the BBC, you don't need a TV licence.
    You need it to watch any live TV as broadcast. Not just the BBC.

    I watched the Royal Rumble on Netflix last week, it was live so if I hadn’t got a license I’d need one to have watched it.
    WWE = sport (sort of).

    But ITVX is not broadcast so you can watch on catch up without a licence.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Yet the BBC, its senior management, and our political classes don’t care. They are wedded to the license fee and providing an income to the BBC irrespective of what the public want or how the market is going.

    The BBC has a massive archive, it does little to make money from that.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,513
    Dopermean said:

    Good BBC coverage of Trump's racist Truth Social post: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8r8y78g10o

    White House are defending it.

    Perhaps there's something in the Epstein document dump they failed to redact
    https://x.com/gretagrace20/status/2019651780502778373?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    The "I don't watch the telly" willy-waving is a perennially tiresome feature of PB.
  • HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    Not a chance - Johnson is his idol

    Hear no evil, see no evil
  • eekeek Posts: 32,496

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    Meanwhile in the U.K. the regressive TV license fee will rise to £180 and under consideration for the new settlement is a levy on streaming subscriptions and making people pay more if they earn more.

    Most of the,license fee goes to fund a service people are using less and less.

    Traditional media is screwed but there is no will from the BBC or political class to acknowledge it. Only force us to keep funding it whether we like it or not.
    'BBC to show programmes on YouTube in landmark deal
    British public sector broadcaster will make unique shows for the platform and generate revenue from ads overseas'

    https://www.ft.com/content/cdcfbec7-1472-4161-a29f-71426333bd40
    What relevance is that to what I wrote ?

    None of which is about replacing the license fee, merely complementing it and they already have YouTube channels, they already have commercial channels overseas and they also license their material to other streamers.

    The Guild navigators BBC Manadrins, gifted with limited prescience, had made the fatal decision: they'd chosen always the clear, safe course that leads ever downward into stagnation.”
    For the BBC to have sailed a different path, it would have needed people with imagination in 2016 and the politicians were distracted then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Basically, unless you want to watch live sport or anything on the BBC, you don't need a TV licence.
    You need it to watch any live TV as broadcast. Not just the BBC.

    I watched the Royal Rumble on Netflix last week, it was live so if I hadn’t got a license I’d need one to have watched it.
    WWE = sport (sort of).

    But ITVX is not broadcast so you can watch on catch up without a licence.
    AEW is shown on ITVx as catch up, they don’t carry any live content.

    WWE is on Netflix. Mostly catchup but PPVs are live and this one was in Saudi so was live from 7PM

    Without a license you can watch any streamed content (Iplayer aside) as long as it is not live.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,024

    The "I don't watch the telly" willy-waving is a perennially tiresome feature of PB.

    Millions of people "watch the telly" in ways that no longer require a TV licence (YouTube for example) That's the point.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,387
    It's a sure sign that the Starmer crisis has passed its high point when the PB collective start wibbling about the fucking BBC licence fee, yet again.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,013
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    I understand you see the removal of Boris as a big part of the Conservative decline in the last Parliament but I'm left with the question of how he could have survived July 2022 given many of his colleagues refused to serve under him in Government?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    More likely that 50 more would have lost their seats.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    You have no way of knowing any of that other than your strange blinkered view of Johnson
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,024
    edited February 6
    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Basically, unless you want to watch live sport or anything on the BBC, you don't need a TV licence.
    You need it to watch any live TV as broadcast. Not just the BBC.

    I watched the Royal Rumble on Netflix last week, it was live so if I hadn’t got a license I’d need one to have watched it.
    Yeah, that;s what the TV licence guy was trying to catch me out on (not WWE but generally insisting I must watch "something" live - But I don't! )

    I think the last time I watched a live news feed was the US Presidential election result.

    When we have a general election I'll have to renew it, I suppose, as I will be wanting to watch the coverage of that, live. But until then, I just don't need it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    GIN1138 said:

    The "I don't watch the telly" willy-waving is a perennially tiresome feature of PB.

    Millions of people "watch the telly" in ways that no longer require a TV licence (YouTube for example) That's the point.
    That ain't telly.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    More likely that 50 more would have lost their seats.
    Nope, when Boris was removed the Tories were polling 30-35% ie in the range Labour got in 2024, removing Boris meant about a third of the Tory vote went Reform in 2024 and as I said cost 100 Tory MPs their seats due to the split vote on the right letting Labour and LDs in
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    @alaynatreene

    News: The White House has now taken down the post.

    A senior WH official tells me: "A White House staffer erroneously made the post. It has been taken down"

    It was up for 12 hours
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    More likely that 50 more would have lost their seats.
    Nope, when Boris was removed the Tories were polling 30-35% ie in the range Labour got in 2024, removing Boris meant about a third of the Tory vote went Reform in 2024 and as I said cost 100 Tory MPs their seats due to the split vote on the right letting Labour and LDs in
    Rubbish
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,024
    edited February 6

    It's a sure sign that the Starmer crisis has passed its high point when the PB collective start wibbling about the fucking BBC licence fee, yet again.

    It's Friday. We're all waiting for what dirt the Sunday papers can dig up...

    Although having said that, I've always thought he's safe;ish until the by election.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    More likely that 50 more would have lost their seats.
    Nope, when Boris was removed the Tories were polling 30-35% ie in the range Labour got in 2024, removing Boris meant about a third of the Tory vote went Reform in 2024 and as I said cost 100 Tory MPs their seats due to the split vote on the right letting Labour and LDs in
    I know that's what you said. I just think it is bollocks.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Fewer and fewer people are watching daytime TV. Both the BBC and ITV have either culled or reduced the original output they put out.

    For example the BBC cancelled Doctprs, the daytime soap, as well as some of the other original drama it either made or co produced. It’s now mostly cheap filler shows and the dreary Father Brown.

    ITV has had to reshape its daytime offer too. Shortening stuff like GMB and Lorraine and reducing the amount of on air talent, and I use the term advisedly, they had.

    The license fee should be canned. Why should people be compelled to fund so called highbrow stuff that most people have no interest in ?
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    More likely that 50 more would have lost their seats.
    Nope, when Boris was removed the Tories were polling 30-35% ie in the range Labour got in 2024, removing Boris meant about a third of the Tory vote went Reform in 2024 and as I said cost 100 Tory MPs their seats due to the split vote on the right letting Labour and LDs in
    I know that's what you said. I just think it is bollocks.
    And me
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    News: The White House has now taken down the post.

    A senior WH official tells me: "A White House staffer erroneously made the post. It has been taken down"

    It was up for 12 hours

    Echos of the "draft" message referring to Braverman's mental health.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,578
    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    News: The White House has now taken down the post.

    A senior WH official tells me: "A White House staffer erroneously made the post. It has been taken down"

    It was up for 12 hours

    So they added lying to the racism?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,578
    GIN1138 said:

    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Basically, unless you want to watch live sport or anything on the BBC, you don't need a TV licence.
    You need it to watch any live TV as broadcast. Not just the BBC.

    I watched the Royal Rumble on Netflix last week, it was live so if I hadn’t got a license I’d need one to have watched it.
    Yeah, that;s what the TV licence guy was trying to catch me out on (not WWE but generally insisting I must watch "something" live - But I don't! )

    I think the last time I watched a live news feed was the US Presidential election result.

    When we have a general election I'll have to renew it, I suppose, as I will be wanting to watch the coverage of that, live. But until then, I just don't need it.
    I have a TV licence so that wife can watch Gardener's World and other bits and pieces. Apart from that, despite having a licence I generally rely on radio (steam/valve/DAB/internet) for live/nearly live stuff. I am a bit out of touch with telly, but radio (BBC, LBC, Times Radio) + YouTube + Grauniad is pretty good political coverage at all times including elections. On general election night at my age I prefer to take radio/smartphone and retire to bed rather than watch telly.

  • eekeek Posts: 32,496
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Except there is zero money in broadcast adverts at the moment - it’s shifted to online advertising - want to build brand awareness you hit TikTok, Facebook and similar.

    We are no longer in the 80/90s where TV was a goldmine. ITV is worth about £3bn for reasons
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,643

    The "I don't watch the telly" willy-waving is a perennially tiresome feature of PB.

    Pah, thats nothing I don't even use the internet. Not quite sure whether to give up printed books as my next step and just use the hand written parchments or not.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,243
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Except there is zero money in broadcast adverts at the moment - it’s shifted to online advertising - want to build brand awareness you hit TikTok, Facebook and similar.

    We are no longer in the 80/90s where TV was a goldmine. ITV is worth about £3bn for reasons
    Media is still a goldmine and TV viewing is having a renaissance. It's just that UK TV companies like the BBC and ITV were just too late to the party. America is just a better place to grow a risky business than Europe.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Except there is zero money in broadcast adverts at the moment - it’s shifted to online advertising - want to build brand awareness you hit TikTok, Facebook and similar.

    We are no longer in the 80/90s where TV was a goldmine. ITV is worth about £3bn for reasons
    Strictly get 6.5 million viewers a week, of course there is money in ads there.

    Iplayer could also have ads
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,643
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Except there is zero money in broadcast adverts at the moment - it’s shifted to online advertising - want to build brand awareness you hit TikTok, Facebook and similar.

    We are no longer in the 80/90s where TV was a goldmine. ITV is worth about £3bn for reasons
    Strictly get 6.5 million viewers a week, of course there is money in ads there.

    Iplayer could also have ads
    If they could get Coke interested they'd have a chance but whilst its just tango the revenues are bound to be lower.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Fewer and fewer people are watching daytime TV. Both the BBC and ITV have either culled or reduced the original output they put out.

    For example the BBC cancelled Doctprs, the daytime soap, as well as some of the other original drama it either made or co produced. It’s now mostly cheap filler shows and the dreary Father Brown.

    ITV has had to reshape its daytime offer too. Shortening stuff like GMB and Lorraine and reducing the amount of on air talent, and I use the term advisedly, they had.

    The license fee should be canned. Why should people be compelled to fund so called highbrow stuff that most people have no interest in ?
    As TV and broadcast media is supposed to provide some educational programmes not just relentless dumbed down mediocrity!!!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,460
    edited February 6
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
    The man responsible for the Boriswave?

    The Conservatives would have been lucky to get nil, by 2024.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,643
    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene

    News: The White House has now taken down the post.

    A senior WH official tells me: "A White House staffer erroneously made the post. It has been taken down"

    It was up for 12 hours

    Truth. Technically Mr President is "a White House staffer".
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,702

    The "I don't watch the telly" willy-waving is a perennially tiresome feature of PB.

    Pah, thats nothing I don't even use the internet. Not quite sure whether to give up printed books as my next step and just use the hand written parchments or not.
    Those Dead Sea Scrolls? Rubbish.... You'd be better looking at Bargain Hunt.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,013
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
    Yes and I understand all that but how could Boris Johnson have remained Prime Minister in July 2022? 62 members of the Government quit following Sunak and Javid which effectively left the country if not ungoverned then with serious gaps in key ministries.

    Sir Graham Brady in his book outlines how Johnson's mood shifted from defiance to resignation as it became clear support for him was ebbing away. There's an analogy of sorts with Thatcher for whom resignation was inevitable once it became clear she would not only lose a second ballot in 1990 but lose it badly.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
    Yes and I understand all that but how could Boris Johnson have remained Prime Minister in July 2022? 62 members of the Government quit following Sunak and Javid which effectively left the country if not ungoverned then with serious gaps in key ministries.

    Sir Graham Brady in his book outlines how Johnson's mood shifted from defiance to resignation as it became clear support for him was ebbing away. There's an analogy of sorts with Thatcher for whom resignation was inevitable once it became clear she would not only lose a second ballot in 1990 but lose it badly.
    Removing Thatcher and replacing her with Major in 1990 had some logic as it turned a likely Tory defeat in 1992 post poll tax into a Tory win as Major scrapped it.

    Removing Boris did not
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,510
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
    Yes and I understand all that but how could Boris Johnson have remained Prime Minister in July 2022? 62 members of the Government quit following Sunak and Javid which effectively left the country if not ungoverned then with serious gaps in key ministries...
    Hmm. How badly does the lack of a Minister affect a dept? I assume they can't do Orders in Council. Does the whole thing seize up if there's nobody there to sign off?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    edited February 6
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
    The man responsible for the Boriswave?

    The Conservatives would have been lucky to get nil, by 2024.
    The Boriswave was going on in summer 2022, it didn't stop the Tories still being on 30-35%. The Truss budget did more damage to the Tories than the Boris wave which never sent Reform anywhere near the levels it is at now
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,067
    edited February 6
    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Do we have any evidence that these last few days have damaged Labour? The general rule in advertising is that stories about a product disproportionately affect the market leader. When it comes to sleaze the Tories are way our in front

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,324
    Taz said:

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Basically, unless you want to watch live sport or anything on the BBC, you don't need a TV licence.
    You need it to watch any live TV as broadcast. Not just the BBC.

    I watched the Royal Rumble on Netflix last week, it was live so if I hadn’t got a license I’d need one to have watched it.
    I didn't have a TV license for about 14 years in Britain, but bought one again after I started watching the County Championship live streams on youtube during the pandemic.

    A bit unfair that none of the Counties saw a penny of the revenue.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,903
    You must really hate yourself if you’re one of the Blacks for Trump .

    As for the WH pathetic excuse . If anyone believes that then they’re a moron .
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,063
    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman
    ·
    1m
    About to break a political story on
    @TimesRadio
    - stay tuned

    What was this news?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,304
    @cathynewman
    BREAKING on
    @TimesRadio
    Leader of the
    @LibDems

    @EdwardJDavey
    has removed the whip from
    @LordRennard
    after a woman who alleged the peer sexually harassed her & others emailed Sir Ed urging him to apply the same rules to his own party as he was demanding of the PM over the #Mandelson saga
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    Cops turn up at Mandy's house:

    "Get your trousers on - you're knicked!"
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,513
    nico67 said:

    You must really hate yourself if you’re one of the Blacks for Trump .

    As for the WH pathetic excuse . If anyone believes that then they’re a moron .

    In America, that might be an election-winning coalition.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman
    BREAKING on
    @TimesRadio
    Leader of the
    @LibDems

    @EdwardJDavey
    has removed the whip from
    @LordRennard
    after a woman who alleged the peer sexually harassed her & others emailed Sir Ed urging him to apply the same rules to his own party as he was demanding of the PM over the #Mandelson saga

    Aren’t these longstanding allegations ?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,496
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Except there is zero money in broadcast adverts at the moment - it’s shifted to online advertising - want to build brand awareness you hit TikTok, Facebook and similar.

    We are no longer in the 80/90s where TV was a goldmine. ITV is worth about £3bn for reasons
    Strictly get 6.5 million viewers a week, of course there is money in ads there.

    Iplayer could also have ads
    The point was there is a limited probably fixed pot of money for broadcast advertising - yes the BBC could take ads but then other channels would have less money
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Fewer and fewer people are watching daytime TV. Both the BBC and ITV have either culled or reduced the original output they put out.

    For example the BBC cancelled Doctprs, the daytime soap, as well as some of the other original drama it either made or co produced. It’s now mostly cheap filler shows and the dreary Father Brown.

    ITV has had to reshape its daytime offer too. Shortening stuff like GMB and Lorraine and reducing the amount of on air talent, and I use the term advisedly, they had.

    The license fee should be canned. Why should people be compelled to fund so called highbrow stuff that most people have no interest in ?
    As TV and broadcast media is supposed to provide some educational programmes not just relentless dumbed down mediocrity!!!
    Well that’s worth £180 from tens of millions of households 🙄
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,385

    Cops turn up at Mandy's house:

    "Get your trousers on - you're knicked!"

    It turns out that it was the fashion police who were investigating after photos of his purple Aga appeared in the Times magazine.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,324
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
    Yes and I understand all that but how could Boris Johnson have remained Prime Minister in July 2022? 62 members of the Government quit following Sunak and Javid which effectively left the country if not ungoverned then with serious gaps in key ministries.

    Sir Graham Brady in his book outlines how Johnson's mood shifted from defiance to resignation as it became clear support for him was ebbing away. There's an analogy of sorts with Thatcher for whom resignation was inevitable once it became clear she would not only lose a second ballot in 1990 but lose it badly.
    Removing Thatcher and replacing her with Major in 1990 had some logic as it turned a likely Tory defeat in 1992 post poll tax into a Tory win as Major scrapped it.

    Removing Boris did not
    The reason the Tories lost in 2024, and so heavily, was not that they got rid of Johnson, but that they replaced him with Truss.

    If they'd gone straight to Sunak they would have had a chance of winning, or at least preventing a Labour majority, if inflation still swept them out of office.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,373
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
    The man responsible for the Boriswave?

    The Conservatives would have been lucky to get nil, by 2024.
    The Boriswave was going on in summer 2022, it didn't stop the Tories still being on 30-35%. The Truss budget did more damage to the Tories than the Boris wave which never sent Reform anywhere near the levels it is at now
    You could have replaced Bozo with someone sensible like Hunt rather than with a swivel eyed loon.

    If that had happened, 2024 would have been much closer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    edited February 6

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only Labour politician who might have given them a significant bounce and maybe to such an extent as to even overtake Reform was Burnham. Starmer though ruthlessly blocked him from standing in Gorton and Denton to keep out his main rival, so Streeting and Rayner and Miliband's camps squabble amongst each other as much as against him

    Was the removal of Johnson and Truss predicated on the notion their replacement(s) would somehow overturn Labour's poll lead at the time?
    No and in the case of the removal of Johnson in particular and his replacement by Truss and then Sunak it proved an absolute disaster for the Tories. Taking them from 30-35% when Boris was forced out in July 2022 to the Truss budget disaster and just 24% at the general election of 2024 under Rishi and now just 18 to 20% and overtaken by Reform under Kemi.
    So you don't think that the fact that the disgraced Bozo was ignominiously booted out was in any way a causation of the decline in Tory support?
    About 100 Tory MPs lost their seats in 2024 who would have held them had Boris remained PM.

    If Boris had not been removed in 2022 the Tories would still be main opposition and you might even have LOTO Sunak 20%+ ahead of Labour in the polls
    If Boris had remained PM, the Conservatives would have been polling similarly to Labour now. There would have been scandal after scandal.

    Boris was quite incapable of distinguishing right from wrong.
    If Boris had remained PM, Reform would not now be ahead of the Tories.

    Removing Boris turned a likely narrow Labour win into 2024 into a Labour landslide win
    Yes and I understand all that but how could Boris Johnson have remained Prime Minister in July 2022? 62 members of the Government quit following Sunak and Javid which effectively left the country if not ungoverned then with serious gaps in key ministries.

    Sir Graham Brady in his book outlines how Johnson's mood shifted from defiance to resignation as it became clear support for him was ebbing away. There's an analogy of sorts with Thatcher for whom resignation was inevitable once it became clear she would not only lose a second ballot in 1990 but lose it badly.
    Removing Thatcher and replacing her with Major in 1990 had some logic as it turned a likely Tory defeat in 1992 post poll tax into a Tory win as Major scrapped it.

    Removing Boris did not
    The reason the Tories lost in 2024, and so heavily, was not that they got rid of Johnson, but that they replaced him with Truss.

    If they'd gone straight to Sunak they would have had a chance of winning, or at least preventing a Labour majority, if inflation still swept them out of office.
    Not so sure about that either, most of the redwall voters would only vote for Boris they were never going to vote for Rishi and they wouldn't vote for Hunt either
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,759
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Except there is zero money in broadcast adverts at the moment - it’s shifted to online advertising - want to build brand awareness you hit TikTok, Facebook and similar.

    We are no longer in the 80/90s where TV was a goldmine. ITV is worth about £3bn for reasons
    Strictly get 6.5 million viewers a week, of course there is money in ads there.

    Iplayer could also have ads
    The point was there is a limited probably fixed pot of money for broadcast advertising - yes the BBC could take ads but then other channels would have less money
    Other channels as I said could also get some license fee money
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,601
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    I cancelled my TV licence yesterday as about 90% of my "watch time" is spent on YT. The guy at TV licencing wasn't happy and kept trying to insist that I must be watching live TV like Sky News on YT (which I don't)

    He was desperate to try and get something on me but I fully comply with the law and don't need the expense of a TV licence any more.
    The TV licence has turned in to a pair of concrete boots for the BBC. They've spent decades defending it, only to find they've shackled themselves to a funding source that's drying up far more rapidly than they expected.

    Personally, I haven't needed a TV licence in years. I watch so much YouTube I'm happy to pay for YT premium, but the beeb won't see another penny from me.
    That's what I said to the fella. I said, the BBC hasn't moved with the times and is being overtaken by a revolution in broadcasting and technology.

    It will be the kids the finish it off as they simply won't pay it so as the older generation dies off the purse will shrink and shrink and shrink until there's nothing left...
    Kids also get old and some of them when they reach retirement will watch daytime TV, even on the BBC. Plenty also watch BBC iplayer and some watch the BBC on Youtube, Tik Tok etc.

    I think license fee revenue should be shared with all broadcasters though, even Netflix, to fund highbrow cultural, scientific, heritage and current affairs programmes. The BBC meanwhile should have adverts in Strictly, Eastenders, the World Cup and Olympics and Wimbledon breaks etc and use that to fund it increasingly.
    Except there is zero money in broadcast adverts at the moment - it’s shifted to online advertising - want to build brand awareness you hit TikTok, Facebook and similar.

    We are no longer in the 80/90s where TV was a goldmine. ITV is worth about £3bn for reasons
    Strictly get 6.5 million viewers a week, of course there is money in ads there.

    Iplayer could also have ads
    The point was there is a limited probably fixed pot of money for broadcast advertising - yes the BBC could take ads but then other channels would have less money
    Well they’d have to live with that, the BBC has a limited pot of money too, and there are other means of raising revenue other than ads, such as subs, that don’t rely on compelling people to fund your output purely to watch live broadcasts or Iplayer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,385
    Starmer's found a supporter:

    https://x.com/MikeTappTweets/status/2019816580205756556

    When a few MPs who have been trying to get rid of Keir Starmer since before the election, want to get rid of Keir Starmer - it’s really not a story.

    Our priority is getting on with delivery.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,304
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @cathynewman
    BREAKING on
    @TimesRadio
    Leader of the
    @LibDems

    @EdwardJDavey
    has removed the whip from
    @LordRennard
    after a woman who alleged the peer sexually harassed her & others emailed Sir Ed urging him to apply the same rules to his own party as he was demanding of the PM over the #Mandelson saga

    Aren’t these longstanding allegations ?
    I think they are, but I think that's the point

    "Everybody knew Mandy was a wrong 'un"

    "Everybody knows about Rennard..." I think is the pitch

    Take the beam out of your own eye and all that
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,162
    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    Are you sure?

    I'm sure there was a poster who told us Twitter was going to win the video war because Tucker Carlson.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,067
    Not exactly a smoking gun but a bit smelly and some good old fashioned journalism. I'd certainly take your money off Streeting and in truth not great for Starmer either

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNYUxQXpG3I
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,578
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Google just put a dagger in the heart of traditional media - YouTube is the single biggest streaming platform by far at $60bn per year in subscription and as revenue ahead of Netflix at $47bn. They're not even that far behind all of Disney's media assets (streaming, broadcast and box office).

    It's an absolute game changer and as I said in the run up and aftermath of Trump's second victory it was largely YouTube personalities and content creators that really won it for him. Baron Trump pushing aside traditional media in favour of YT outreach was a hugely successful strategy for them and it's where every single political movement needs to be to win.

    Are you sure?

    I'm sure there was a poster who told us Twitter was going to win the video war because Tucker Carlson.
    @Woger?
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