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If this is what happens in the midterms then the Republicans are in for a shellacking

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If this is what happens in the midterms then the Republicans are in for a shellacking – politicalbetting.com

Republicans did not lose the TX SD-9 runoff because of low GOP turnout: they lost because almost all of the independents and some of the Republicans voted Dem.Of those who voted in the TX SD-9 runoff, 50%+ were GOP primary voters or at GOP HH; only 35% were Dems or at Dem HH pic.twitter.com/osPAhm3nS4

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,063
    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    If the margin is large enough, it would be hard to fix the midterms.
    They will almost certainly try, though.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,477
    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    I’d say the last, best hope against the fix being in is the shambolic incompetence of the MAGAs which bleeds down from the shambolic incompetent who heads it all. The bin fire of the release of the Epstein Files is just the latest example.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,704
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    If the margin is large enough, it would be hard to fix the midterms.
    They will almost certainly try, though.
    The fact that the Dems have to have a decisive win may help ensure that it happens. Voters know what they need to do. My modal baseline is for the Dems to gain the house by a reasonable margin and the Republicans to hold the Senate but I think the distribution of outcomes is skewed towards a much better result for the anti-Trump forces.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,041
    OT. Interesting interview with a very angry HEALTH SECRETARY about Mandelson.

    He's lovin' it!


  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,382
    Reputation is built in whispers.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,095
    Roger said:

    OT. Interesting interview with a very angry HEALTH SECRETARY about Mandelson.

    He's lovin' it!


    Not sure the line of “shock” that the Prince of Darkness / purveyor of dark arts did dark arts things holds…

    https://x.com/DamianSurvation/status/2018961574611018027
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486

    Reputation is built in whispers.

    As the noted savant and philosopher, Lord John Whorfin, observed -

    “History is-a made at night. Character is what you are in the dark.”
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,063

    Wes on R4 atm saying he’s deleted his ‘I love Pete’ tweets solely out of consideration for other people pictured in said tweets.
    What a noble guy!

    TBF, you failed to add that he has not deleted the posts where he praised Mandelson, which do not contain such pictures.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,665
    Good morning, everybody.

    I find UK politics utterly baffling at the moment. About US politics, best if I say nothing, except: thanks for the header.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,095
    edited 8:31AM
    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,959

    Wes on R4 atm saying he’s deleted his ‘I love Pete’ tweets solely out of consideration for other people pictured in said tweets.
    What a noble guy!

    "I now deeply regret my friendship with ..."

    Hope he had the nous to avoid that one.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,296

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    Yikes! Wtf is going on there?

    Pass me the mind bleach.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,448

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    It reminds me of the mother who takes her daughter to Jack Woltz, in the Godfather novel.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,063

    Roger said:

    OT. Interesting interview with a very angry HEALTH SECRETARY about Mandelson.

    He's lovin' it!

    Not sure the line of “shock” that the Prince of Darkness / purveyor of dark arts did dark arts things holds…

    https://x.com/DamianSurvation/status/2018961574611018027
    There's "shock", and shock.
    Gordon Brown, for instance, seems genuinely shocked and angered by the cabinet leaks revelations.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,477
    Nigelb said:

    Wes on R4 atm saying he’s deleted his ‘I love Pete’ tweets solely out of consideration for other people pictured in said tweets.
    What a noble guy!

    TBF, you failed to add that he has not deleted the posts where he praised Mandelson, which do not contain such pictures.
    I actually missed that bit, fair play if that’s the case.
    An instructive warning against making others complicit in one’s social media fawning (or perhaps avoid doing the fawning in the first place).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,095
    Reform couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    👀🚨Meanwhile, while Mandelson scandal is galloping along, I hear that Robert Jenrick and Suella Braverman ended up WITH LABOUR MPs in the AYE lobby on lifting two child benefit cap.

    A source tells me they “got on their phones trying to get instructions from Farage as to whether they should be there or not”

    “They tried to leave at one point but got trapped as the doors were locked”

    Reform source confirms this happened & says it was a ‘genuine mistake’ & neither MP registered a vote. All other Reform MPs voted against….

    UPDATE: It’s been pointed out to me that because they went thru lobby the votes recorded. The record on HoC vote here. So Jenrick and Braverman voted WITH Labour to lift the two child benefit cap 🫣


    À Labour source texts: “Not our fault they don’t understand procedure and can’t organise a group of *checks notes* 8 MPs”

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2018812866858795410

    Two Reform MPs accidentally vote to scrap two-child benefit limit in Commons blunder

    "They made a genuine mistake walking through the wrong lobby," Reform spokesperson says


    https://x.com/ashcowburn/status/2018965187521548387
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,995
    edited 8:38AM
    Interesting Substack from Rob Ford as nominations have now finalised:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/swingometer/p/gorton-and-denton-update-1?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app

    Rather equivocal and hedging, but interesting point on local candidates:

    "One of the most consistent findings in research on candidates is that both party members and voters value local roots more than practically anything else, an effect which has been growing. As voters lose faith in national politics, credentials as a local champion loom ever larger."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,485

    Reform couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    👀🚨Meanwhile, while Mandelson scandal is galloping along, I hear that Robert Jenrick and Suella Braverman ended up WITH LABOUR MPs in the AYE lobby on lifting two child benefit cap.

    A source tells me they “got on their phones trying to get instructions from Farage as to whether they should be there or not”

    “They tried to leave at one point but got trapped as the doors were locked”

    Reform source confirms this happened & says it was a ‘genuine mistake’ & neither MP registered a vote. All other Reform MPs voted against….

    UPDATE: It’s been pointed out to me that because they went thru lobby the votes recorded. The record on HoC vote here. So Jenrick and Braverman voted WITH Labour to lift the two child benefit cap 🫣


    À Labour source texts: “Not our fault they don’t understand procedure and can’t organise a group of *checks notes* 8 MPs”

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2018812866858795410

    Two Reform MPs accidentally vote to scrap two-child benefit limit in Commons blunder

    "They made a genuine mistake walking through the wrong lobby," Reform spokesperson says


    https://x.com/ashcowburn/status/2018965187521548387

    "We voted with the government by mistake"


  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,302
    edited 8:42AM

    Reform couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    👀🚨Meanwhile, while Mandelson scandal is galloping along, I hear that Robert Jenrick and Suella Braverman ended up WITH LABOUR MPs in the AYE lobby on lifting two child benefit cap.

    A source tells me they “got on their phones trying to get instructions from Farage as to whether they should be there or not”

    “They tried to leave at one point but got trapped as the doors were locked”

    Reform source confirms this happened & says it was a ‘genuine mistake’ & neither MP registered a vote. All other Reform MPs voted against….

    UPDATE: It’s been pointed out to me that because they went thru lobby the votes recorded. The record on HoC vote here. So Jenrick and Braverman voted WITH Labour to lift the two child benefit cap 🫣


    À Labour source texts: “Not our fault they don’t understand procedure and can’t organise a group of *checks notes* 8 MPs”

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2018812866858795410

    Two Reform MPs accidentally vote to scrap two-child benefit limit in Commons blunder

    "They made a genuine mistake walking through the wrong lobby," Reform spokesperson says


    https://x.com/ashcowburn/status/2018965187521548387

    Do you know what else can be a genuine mistake? Getting pregnant for the third time.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,088

    Reform couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    👀🚨Meanwhile, while Mandelson scandal is galloping along, I hear that Robert Jenrick and Suella Braverman ended up WITH LABOUR MPs in the AYE lobby on lifting two child benefit cap.

    A source tells me they “got on their phones trying to get instructions from Farage as to whether they should be there or not”

    “They tried to leave at one point but got trapped as the doors were locked”

    Reform source confirms this happened & says it was a ‘genuine mistake’ & neither MP registered a vote. All other Reform MPs voted against….

    UPDATE: It’s been pointed out to me that because they went thru lobby the votes recorded. The record on HoC vote here. So Jenrick and Braverman voted WITH Labour to lift the two child benefit cap 🫣


    À Labour source texts: “Not our fault they don’t understand procedure and can’t organise a group of *checks notes* 8 MPs”

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2018812866858795410

    Two Reform MPs accidentally vote to scrap two-child benefit limit in Commons blunder

    "They made a genuine mistake walking through the wrong lobby," Reform spokesperson says


    https://x.com/ashcowburn/status/2018965187521548387

    Not sure if its apocryphal, but there was a story that Bernadette Devlin deliberately walked herself and supporters through the wrong lobby because she knew the unionist majority in N. Ireland would go the opposite way, and so a bill passed that never should have...
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,512
    Foxy said:

    Interesting Substack from Rob Ford as nominations have now finalised:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/swingometer/p/gorton-and-denton-update-1?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app

    Rather equivocal and hedging, but interesting point on local candidates:

    "One of the most consistent findings in research on candidates is that both party members and voters value local roots more than practically anything else, an effect which has been growing. As voters lose faith in national politics, credentials as a local champion loom ever larger."

    I’m ever more confident in my backing the Greens. She may not be a brilliant candidate but she’s probably better than the labour and reform one.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486
    Sean_F said:

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    It reminds me of the mother who takes her daughter to Jack Woltz, in the Godfather novel.
    In the Real - what about the rich and powerful people who wanted their daughters to intern for Weinstein?

    (There were quite a few)

    In the scandal with that celebrity photographer, a while back, there was a pattern. The top stars he photographed said he was a perfect gentleman etc. He preyed on the up-and-coming.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,704
    Eabhal said:

    Reform couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    👀🚨Meanwhile, while Mandelson scandal is galloping along, I hear that Robert Jenrick and Suella Braverman ended up WITH LABOUR MPs in the AYE lobby on lifting two child benefit cap.

    A source tells me they “got on their phones trying to get instructions from Farage as to whether they should be there or not”

    “They tried to leave at one point but got trapped as the doors were locked”

    Reform source confirms this happened & says it was a ‘genuine mistake’ & neither MP registered a vote. All other Reform MPs voted against….

    UPDATE: It’s been pointed out to me that because they went thru lobby the votes recorded. The record on HoC vote here. So Jenrick and Braverman voted WITH Labour to lift the two child benefit cap 🫣


    À Labour source texts: “Not our fault they don’t understand procedure and can’t organise a group of *checks notes* 8 MPs”

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2018812866858795410

    Two Reform MPs accidentally vote to scrap two-child benefit limit in Commons blunder

    "They made a genuine mistake walking through the wrong lobby," Reform spokesperson says


    https://x.com/ashcowburn/status/2018965187521548387

    Do you know what else can be a genuine mistake? Getting pregnant for the third time.
    Happened to my mum!
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,704

    Gives me the creeps..


    It's like finger nails on the blackboard for me, but myself and yourself are fighting a losing battle on this one I'm afraid.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,041
    Foxy said:

    Interesting Substack from Rob Ford as nominations have now finalised:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/swingometer/p/gorton-and-denton-update-1?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app

    Rather equivocal and hedging, but interesting point on local candidates:

    "One of the most consistent findings in research on candidates is that both party members and voters value local roots more than practically anything else, an effect which has been growing. As voters lose faith in national politics, credentials as a local champion loom ever larger."

    Well worth a read.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,959
    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    OT. Interesting interview with a very angry HEALTH SECRETARY about Mandelson.

    He's lovin' it!

    Not sure the line of “shock” that the Prince of Darkness / purveyor of dark arts did dark arts things holds…

    https://x.com/DamianSurvation/status/2018961574611018027
    There's "shock", and shock.
    Gordon Brown, for instance, seems genuinely shocked and angered by the cabinet leaks revelations.
    He will be. PM with TB/GB/AC - these four were the beating heart and driving force of the New Labour project. It defined their working lives and this taints it badly. A massive personal betrayal.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,477

    Sean_F said:

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    It reminds me of the mother who takes her daughter to Jack Woltz, in the Godfather novel.
    In the Real - what about the rich and powerful people who wanted their daughters to intern for Weinstein?

    (There were quite a few)

    In the scandal with that celebrity photographer, a while back, there was a pattern. The top stars he photographed said he was a perfect gentleman etc. He preyed on the up-and-coming.
    I have pals in the thespy side of employment, the phrase ‘pop your top off, luv’ is a running joke about auditions with aspiring young women in the past. Things have changed of course but the folk memory remains.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,879
    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    We already know about the gerrymandering situation. I think voter suppression in the mid-terms is going to be hard to do. They don't have that many goons, and the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open if people have been blocked from voting. If they try to stop people voting in one place then even if they succeed in doing that in that particular place, they'll light a fire under Dem turnout everywhere else.

    The presidential election is more dangerous because a lot of people have committed crimes and they'll have nothing left to lose but if the Dems can get a decent swing this time they'll control most of the legislatures and governor jobs, which closes down one of the main avenues Trump would have in a overturning a lost presidential election, namely to get the states to sign off on the wrong electors, then get SCOTUS to say, "it's not our place to second-guess the states".
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,477
    Bloody hell, Lee Anderson on R4 laying out social and economic policy for Reform.
    Oh, to live in such times!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,485

    Sean_F said:

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    It reminds me of the mother who takes her daughter to Jack Woltz, in the Godfather novel.
    In the Real - what about the rich and powerful people who wanted their daughters to intern for Weinstein?

    (There were quite a few)

    In the scandal with that celebrity photographer, a while back, there was a pattern. The top stars he photographed said he was a perfect gentleman etc. He preyed on the up-and-coming.
    Grovel to your superiors, take it out on your inferiors.

    Sadly, it's always been the way and those who get to the top by understanding raw power know it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486
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    Sean_F said:

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    It reminds me of the mother who takes her daughter to Jack Woltz, in the Godfather novel.
    In the Real - what about the rich and powerful people who wanted their daughters to intern for Weinstein?

    (There were quite a few)

    In the scandal with that celebrity photographer, a while back, there was a pattern. The top stars he photographed said he was a perfect gentleman etc. He preyed on the up-and-coming.
    I have pals in the thespy side of employment, the phrase ‘pop your top off, luv’ is a running joke about auditions with aspiring young women in the past. Things have changed of course but the folk memory remains.
    When the Polanski thing first happened, a leading film director commented that the criminal case against Polanski had "ruined the atmosphere at Hollywood parties, because everyone's behaviour changed".

    Said those words outloud and everything.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486

    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    We already know about the gerrymandering situation. I think voter suppression in the mid-terms is going to be hard to do. They don't have that many goons, and the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open if people have been blocked from voting. If they try to stop people voting in one place then even if they succeed in doing that in that particular place, they'll light a fire under Dem turnout everywhere else.

    The presidential election is more dangerous because a lot of people have committed crimes and they'll have nothing left to lose but if the Dems can get a decent swing this time they'll control most of the legislatures and governor jobs, which closes down one of the main avenues Trump would have in a overturning a lost presidential election, namely to get the states to sign off on the wrong electors, then get SCOTUS to say, "it's not our place to second-guess the states".
    "the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open" - the problem there is that this administration simply carries on, when the courts rule against them.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,233
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting Substack from Rob Ford as nominations have now finalised:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/swingometer/p/gorton-and-denton-update-1?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app

    Rather equivocal and hedging, but interesting point on local candidates:

    "One of the most consistent findings in research on candidates is that both party members and voters value local roots more than practically anything else, an effect which has been growing. As voters lose faith in national politics, credentials as a local champion loom ever larger."

    Well worth a read.
    If only to discover that the ludicrous poll of just 51 actual voters in the seat, which showed Labour and Reform running close, was commissioned and funded by a "wealthy Labour donor" (hopefully not one who has recently been in the news)
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,879
    edited 9:03AM

    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    We already know about the gerrymandering situation. I think voter suppression in the mid-terms is going to be hard to do. They don't have that many goons, and the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open if people have been blocked from voting. If they try to stop people voting in one place then even if they succeed in doing that in that particular place, they'll light a fire under Dem turnout everywhere else.

    The presidential election is more dangerous because a lot of people have committed crimes and they'll have nothing left to lose but if the Dems can get a decent swing this time they'll control most of the legislatures and governor jobs, which closes down one of the main avenues Trump would have in a overturning a lost presidential election, namely to get the states to sign off on the wrong electors, then get SCOTUS to say, "it's not our place to second-guess the states".
    "the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open" - the problem there is that this administration simply carries on, when the courts rule against them.
    OK, how many polling stations are they going to do this at, with whose army? ICE can't even subdue Minneapolis, city #46 by population.
    [edited]

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,296

    Gives me the creeps..


    It's like finger nails on the blackboard for me, but myself and yourself are fighting a losing battle on this one I'm afraid.
    But PB's Pedantry Police do a sterling job in keeping such abominations off these pages. It is years, for example, since anyone dared to use the execrable phrase 'this moment in time', the last perpetrator having been dismissed to ConHome for the duration.

    PB - where standards mean something. :)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,270

    Gives me the creeps..


    It's like finger nails on the blackboard for me, but myself and yourself are fighting a losing battle on this one I'm afraid.
    It's been going on for decades sadly. Doesn't always leak into private life though.

    One which does, and drives me mad, is "i'm based in..." and "Where are you based?".

    Oh, and chefs adding "off" to everything. "Bake it off" "Fry them off" et al.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,448
    edited 9:07AM

    a

    Sean_F said:

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    It reminds me of the mother who takes her daughter to Jack Woltz, in the Godfather novel.
    In the Real - what about the rich and powerful people who wanted their daughters to intern for Weinstein?

    (There were quite a few)

    In the scandal with that celebrity photographer, a while back, there was a pattern. The top stars he photographed said he was a perfect gentleman etc. He preyed on the up-and-coming.
    I have pals in the thespy side of employment, the phrase ‘pop your top off, luv’ is a running joke about auditions with aspiring young women in the past. Things have changed of course but the folk memory remains.
    When the Polanski thing first happened, a leading film director commented that the criminal case against Polanski had "ruined the atmosphere at Hollywood parties, because everyone's behaviour changed".

    Said those words outloud and everything.
    Plenty of eminent people still think Polanski did nothing wrong.

    Hollywood’s culture is foul. I was just reading about Phil Spector’s murder of Lana Clarkson, and what an uphill struggle her family had to get justice.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486

    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    We already know about the gerrymandering situation. I think voter suppression in the mid-terms is going to be hard to do. They don't have that many goons, and the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open if people have been blocked from voting. If they try to stop people voting in one place then even if they succeed in doing that in that particular place, they'll light a fire under Dem turnout everywhere else.

    The presidential election is more dangerous because a lot of people have committed crimes and they'll have nothing left to lose but if the Dems can get a decent swing this time they'll control most of the legislatures and governor jobs, which closes down one of the main avenues Trump would have in a overturning a lost presidential election, namely to get the states to sign off on the wrong electors, then get SCOTUS to say, "it's not our place to second-guess the states".
    "the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open" - the problem there is that this administration simply carries on, when the courts rule against them.
    OK, how many polling stations are they going to do this at, with whose army? ICE can't even subdue Minnesota, city #22 by population.
    They manage to frighten off minorities, quite well. See the reports of business seeing a collapse in customers.

    Sounds like a recipe for voter suppression.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486
    Sean_F said:

    a

    Sean_F said:

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    It reminds me of the mother who takes her daughter to Jack Woltz, in the Godfather novel.
    In the Real - what about the rich and powerful people who wanted their daughters to intern for Weinstein?

    (There were quite a few)

    In the scandal with that celebrity photographer, a while back, there was a pattern. The top stars he photographed said he was a perfect gentleman etc. He preyed on the up-and-coming.
    I have pals in the thespy side of employment, the phrase ‘pop your top off, luv’ is a running joke about auditions with aspiring young women in the past. Things have changed of course but the folk memory remains.
    When the Polanski thing first happened, a leading film director commented that the criminal case against Polanski had "ruined the atmosphere at Hollywood parties, because everyone's behaviour changed".

    Said those words outloud and everything.
    Plenty of eminent people still think Polanski did nothing wrong.
    And we all know one of them....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,394
    Starmer is in deeeeeeeeeep shit
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,512
    Dan Neidle doing an excellent job on Mandelson and Epstein.

    https://x.com/danneidle/status/2018969749917503833?s=61
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,063
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    OT. Interesting interview with a very angry HEALTH SECRETARY about Mandelson.

    He's lovin' it!

    Not sure the line of “shock” that the Prince of Darkness / purveyor of dark arts did dark arts things holds…

    https://x.com/DamianSurvation/status/2018961574611018027
    There's "shock", and shock.
    Gordon Brown, for instance, seems genuinely shocked and angered by the cabinet leaks revelations.
    He will be. PM with TB/GB/AC - these four were the beating heart and driving force of the New Labour project. It defined their working lives and this taints it badly. A massive personal betrayal.
    I have no great regard for any of the characters involved, so it doesn't really affect me, but Brown's reaction seems 100% genuine.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,019

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    If Andy could control his libido, both he and Fergie would be condemned for their shameless grifting. Mandelson too.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,512
    Sean_F said:

    a

    Sean_F said:

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    It reminds me of the mother who takes her daughter to Jack Woltz, in the Godfather novel.
    In the Real - what about the rich and powerful people who wanted their daughters to intern for Weinstein?

    (There were quite a few)

    In the scandal with that celebrity photographer, a while back, there was a pattern. The top stars he photographed said he was a perfect gentleman etc. He preyed on the up-and-coming.
    I have pals in the thespy side of employment, the phrase ‘pop your top off, luv’ is a running joke about auditions with aspiring young women in the past. Things have changed of course but the folk memory remains.
    When the Polanski thing first happened, a leading film director commented that the criminal case against Polanski had "ruined the atmosphere at Hollywood parties, because everyone's behaviour changed".

    Said those words outloud and everything.
    Plenty of eminent people still think Polanski did nothing wrong.
    Was it not seen as a rite of passage for that sort of career by many in the industry ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,019

    Wes on R4 atm saying he’s deleted his ‘I love Pete’ tweets solely out of consideration for other people pictured in said tweets.
    What a noble guy!

    If CCHQ does not have a complete database of social media posts by every Labour member, I'd be mildly surprised at their incompetence.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,542
    We seem to have gone through a remarkable series of destructions of what appeared to be timeless bits of the ancient and especially post WWII universe.

    A current working list:

    Israel as a bit of democratic light in the middle east
    NATO
    The United States as global policeman and ally and protector of the west
    The Conservative party
    The Labour party
    The two party system
    The UN
    The WTO
    The rules based order
    The monarchy
    Nuclear non proliferation
    The deal following the fall of the Berlin wall.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 570
    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,512

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    They’re probably going to call a meeting to agree a timetable to set up a working committee to decide what they are going to do about it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,540

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    An investigation has started: https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-to-assess-whether-mandelson-broke-rules-over-epstein-links/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486
    algarkirk said:

    We seem to have gone through a remarkable series of destructions of what appeared to be timeless bits of the ancient and especially post WWII universe.

    A current working list:

    Israel as a bit of democratic light in the middle east
    NATO
    The United States as global policeman and ally and protector of the west
    The Conservative party
    The Labour party
    The two party system
    The UN
    The WTO
    The rules based order
    The monarchy
    Nuclear non proliferation
    The deal following the fall of the Berlin wall.


    Things fall apart; the centrist dads cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,879
    edited 9:15AM

    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    We already know about the gerrymandering situation. I think voter suppression in the mid-terms is going to be hard to do. They don't have that many goons, and the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open if people have been blocked from voting. If they try to stop people voting in one place then even if they succeed in doing that in that particular place, they'll light a fire under Dem turnout everywhere else.

    The presidential election is more dangerous because a lot of people have committed crimes and they'll have nothing left to lose but if the Dems can get a decent swing this time they'll control most of the legislatures and governor jobs, which closes down one of the main avenues Trump would have in a overturning a lost presidential election, namely to get the states to sign off on the wrong electors, then get SCOTUS to say, "it's not our place to second-guess the states".
    "the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open" - the problem there is that this administration simply carries on, when the courts rule against them.
    OK, how many polling stations are they going to do this at, with whose army? ICE can't even subdue Minnesota, city #22 by population.
    They manage to frighten off minorities, quite well. See the reports of business seeing a collapse in customers.

    Sounds like a recipe for voter suppression.
    It sounds like a recipe for voter suppression but also a recipe for incredible turnout organization. ICE target people who are on their own and bundle them into vans. Once communities see signs of this they're going to organize early voting, and organize people to go together and protect each other. There's loads of institutional knowledge about this in the US from the era of Black voter suppression, plenty of people had to deal with it in living memory. Activate that kind of threat in an election that usually only gets like 45% turnout and you could easily increase the opposition vote.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,448

    algarkirk said:

    We seem to have gone through a remarkable series of destructions of what appeared to be timeless bits of the ancient and especially post WWII universe.

    A current working list:

    Israel as a bit of democratic light in the middle east
    NATO
    The United States as global policeman and ally and protector of the west
    The Conservative party
    The Labour party
    The two party system
    The UN
    The WTO
    The rules based order
    The monarchy
    Nuclear non proliferation
    The deal following the fall of the Berlin wall.


    Things fall apart; the centrist dads cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    We need someone like Franco in charge.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 570

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    An investigation has started: https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-to-assess-whether-mandelson-broke-rules-over-epstein-links/
    Thanks - I am surprised that it hasn't had more publicity.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,861
    IanB2 said:

    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Interesting Substack from Rob Ford as nominations have now finalised:

    https://open.substack.com/pub/swingometer/p/gorton-and-denton-update-1?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app

    Rather equivocal and hedging, but interesting point on local candidates:

    "One of the most consistent findings in research on candidates is that both party members and voters value local roots more than practically anything else, an effect which has been growing. As voters lose faith in national politics, credentials as a local champion loom ever larger."

    Well worth a read.
    If only to discover that the ludicrous poll of just 51 actual voters in the seat, which showed Labour and Reform running close, was commissioned and funded by a "wealthy Labour donor" (hopefully not one who has recently been in the news)
    Unfortunately not someone wealthy enough to pay for a larger sample size
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486

    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    We already know about the gerrymandering situation. I think voter suppression in the mid-terms is going to be hard to do. They don't have that many goons, and the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open if people have been blocked from voting. If they try to stop people voting in one place then even if they succeed in doing that in that particular place, they'll light a fire under Dem turnout everywhere else.

    The presidential election is more dangerous because a lot of people have committed crimes and they'll have nothing left to lose but if the Dems can get a decent swing this time they'll control most of the legislatures and governor jobs, which closes down one of the main avenues Trump would have in a overturning a lost presidential election, namely to get the states to sign off on the wrong electors, then get SCOTUS to say, "it's not our place to second-guess the states".
    "the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open" - the problem there is that this administration simply carries on, when the courts rule against them.
    OK, how many polling stations are they going to do this at, with whose army? ICE can't even subdue Minnesota, city #22 by population.
    They manage to frighten off minorities, quite well. See the reports of business seeing a collapse in customers.

    Sounds like a recipe for voter suppression.
    It sounds like a recipe for voter suppression but also a recipe for incredible turnout organization. ICE target people who are on their own and bundle them into vans. Once communities see signs of this they're going to organize early voting, and organize people to go together and protect each other. There's loads of institutional knowledge about this in the US from the era of Black voter suppression, plenty of people had to deal with it in living memory. Activate that kind of threat in an election that usually only gets like 45% turnout and you could easily increase the opposition vote.
    Oh sure - it might well backfire.

    But the point is that the *threat* of ICE is sufficient to cause a lot of minority people to not go to work, not go to the shops....

    They don't need a group of goons at every polling station.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,224

    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    We already know about the gerrymandering situation. I think voter suppression in the mid-terms is going to be hard to do. They don't have that many goons, and the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open if people have been blocked from voting. If they try to stop people voting in one place then even if they succeed in doing that in that particular place, they'll light a fire under Dem turnout everywhere else.

    The presidential election is more dangerous because a lot of people have committed crimes and they'll have nothing left to lose but if the Dems can get a decent swing this time they'll control most of the legislatures and governor jobs, which closes down one of the main avenues Trump would have in a overturning a lost presidential election, namely to get the states to sign off on the wrong electors, then get SCOTUS to say, "it's not our place to second-guess the states".
    "the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open" - the problem there is that this administration simply carries on, when the courts rule against them.
    OK, how many polling stations are they going to do this at, with whose army? ICE can't even subdue Minnesota, city #22 by population.
    They manage to frighten off minorities, quite well. See the reports of business seeing a collapse in customers.

    Sounds like a recipe for voter suppression.
    It sounds like a recipe for voter suppression but also a recipe for incredible turnout organization. ICE target people who are on their own and bundle them into vans. Once communities see signs of this they're going to organize early voting, and organize people to go together and protect each other. There's loads of institutional knowledge about this in the US from the era of Black voter suppression, plenty of people had to deal with it in living memory. Activate that kind of threat in an election that usually only gets like 45% turnout and you could easily increase the opposition vote.
    The plan is multiprong

    Voter suppression. Change the rules so that only some people can vote, and only in person.

    Voter intimidation. Try and keep people away from polling stations.

    Rig the vote. Buy the companies that make the voting machines or install 'supporters' at the counts.

    Deny the results. Even if enough people vote and the counts are true, Trump will declare the results are fraudulent and he won anyway
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    An investigation has started: https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-to-assess-whether-mandelson-broke-rules-over-epstein-links/
    The biggest issue will be making sure the enquiry is in a safe pair of hands and doesn't accidentally catch a whole raft of other people. Mandelson networked intensively - there will be a lot of deleting of data today, both in the UK, EU and around the round
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,317
    Billie Eilish might have lost the mid-terms for the Democrats.

    https://x.com/cspan/status/2018801306731749705

    .@SenTedCruz: "Are we right now on stolen land?"

    Netflix co-CEO Ted Sarandos: "I have no idea of the history of this land."

    Warner Bros. Discovery exec Bruce Campbell: "Nor do I."

    Cruz: "That speaks volumes...that neither of you are willing to say 'hell, no.'"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,601
    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Only if fair* elections happen.

    *which would be a novelty in the land of gerrymandering and voter suppression.

    We already know about the gerrymandering situation. I think voter suppression in the mid-terms is going to be hard to do. They don't have that many goons, and the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open if people have been blocked from voting. If they try to stop people voting in one place then even if they succeed in doing that in that particular place, they'll light a fire under Dem turnout everywhere else.

    The presidential election is more dangerous because a lot of people have committed crimes and they'll have nothing left to lose but if the Dems can get a decent swing this time they'll control most of the legislatures and governor jobs, which closes down one of the main avenues Trump would have in a overturning a lost presidential election, namely to get the states to sign off on the wrong electors, then get SCOTUS to say, "it's not our place to second-guess the states".
    "the courts are still functioning and will do things like ordering polling stations to stay open" - the problem there is that this administration simply carries on, when the courts rule against them.
    OK, how many polling stations are they going to do this at, with whose army? ICE can't even subdue Minnesota, city #22 by population.
    They manage to frighten off minorities, quite well. See the reports of business seeing a collapse in customers.

    Sounds like a recipe for voter suppression.
    It sounds like a recipe for voter suppression but also a recipe for incredible turnout organization. ICE target people who are on their own and bundle them into vans. Once communities see signs of this they're going to organize early voting, and organize people to go together and protect each other. There's loads of institutional knowledge about this in the US from the era of Black voter suppression, plenty of people had to deal with it in living memory. Activate that kind of threat in an election that usually only gets like 45% turnout and you could easily increase the opposition vote.
    The plan is multiprong

    Voter suppression. Change the rules so that only some people can vote, and only in person.

    Voter intimidation. Try and keep people away from polling stations.

    Rig the vote. Buy the companies that make the voting machines or install 'supporters' at the counts.

    Deny the results. Even if enough people vote and the counts are true, Trump will declare the results are fraudulent and he won anyway
    :innocent:


  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,448

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    An investigation has started: https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-to-assess-whether-mandelson-broke-rules-over-epstein-links/
    The biggest issue will be making sure the enquiry is in a safe pair of hands and doesn't accidentally catch a whole raft of other people. Mandelson networked intensively - there will be a lot of deleting of data today, both in the UK, EU and around the round
    Mandelson can now be thrown to the wolves, and perhaps a couple of small fry, as well.

    But, eminent people must not be embarrassed.

    Sort of like the trial of Gaius Verres. His behaviour was so blatant, he had to be cut loose, but the rest of the establishment were spared.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,177
    carnforth said:

    Gives me the creeps..


    It's like finger nails on the blackboard for me, but myself and yourself are fighting a losing battle on this one I'm afraid.
    It's been going on for decades sadly. Doesn't always leak into private life though.

    One which does, and drives me mad, is "i'm based in..." and "Where are you based?".

    Oh, and chefs adding "off" to everything. "Bake it off" "Fry them off" et al.
    There is a new horror creeping in here and elsewhere; “hard agree”. I’m guessing this abomination is an Americanism but it’s becoming the grey squirrel of comments driving out our native “I totally agree”. Needs culling.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,854
    If Mandelson had win the election to become Chancellor of Oxford University instead of William Hague, I do wonder at what point in all of this, he would have been forced out and using what mechanism if he had been refused to resign?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,068
    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    We seem to have gone through a remarkable series of destructions of what appeared to be timeless bits of the ancient and especially post WWII universe.

    A current working list:

    Israel as a bit of democratic light in the middle east
    NATO
    The United States as global policeman and ally and protector of the west
    The Conservative party
    The Labour party
    The two party system
    The UN
    The WTO
    The rules based order
    The monarchy
    Nuclear non proliferation
    The deal following the fall of the Berlin wall.


    Things fall apart; the centrist dads cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    We need someone like Franco in charge.
    You mean executing socialists would make the World a happier place for everyone else?

    I suspect Donald Trump has thought of that one before you.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,760
    boulay said:

    carnforth said:

    Gives me the creeps..


    It's like finger nails on the blackboard for me, but myself and yourself are fighting a losing battle on this one I'm afraid.
    It's been going on for decades sadly. Doesn't always leak into private life though.

    One which does, and drives me mad, is "i'm based in..." and "Where are you based?".

    Oh, and chefs adding "off" to everything. "Bake it off" "Fry them off" et al.
    There is a new horror creeping in here and elsewhere; “hard agree”. I’m guessing this abomination is an Americanism but it’s becoming the grey squirrel of comments driving out our native “I totally agree”. Needs culling.
    "To be fair"......
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,448

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    We seem to have gone through a remarkable series of destructions of what appeared to be timeless bits of the ancient and especially post WWII universe.

    A current working list:

    Israel as a bit of democratic light in the middle east
    NATO
    The United States as global policeman and ally and protector of the west
    The Conservative party
    The Labour party
    The two party system
    The UN
    The WTO
    The rules based order
    The monarchy
    Nuclear non proliferation
    The deal following the fall of the Berlin wall.


    Things fall apart; the centrist dads cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    We need someone like Franco in charge.
    You mean executing socialists would make the World a happier place for everyone else?

    I suspect Donald Trump has thought of that one before you.
    A more even-handed Franco.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,477
    boulay said:

    carnforth said:

    Gives me the creeps..


    It's like finger nails on the blackboard for me, but myself and yourself are fighting a losing battle on this one I'm afraid.
    It's been going on for decades sadly. Doesn't always leak into private life though.

    One which does, and drives me mad, is "i'm based in..." and "Where are you based?".

    Oh, and chefs adding "off" to everything. "Bake it off" "Fry them off" et al.
    There is a new horror creeping in here and elsewhere; “hard agree”. I’m guessing this abomination is an Americanism but it’s becoming the grey squirrel of comments driving out our native “I totally agree”. Needs culling.
    Pretty sure it's archaic English (which may mean it's mutated into an Americanism), I think it crops up in eg the Aubrey/Maturin books. I fear I may even have used it myself 🙁
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,760

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    An investigation has started: https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-to-assess-whether-mandelson-broke-rules-over-epstein-links/
    The biggest issue will be making sure the enquiry is in a safe pair of hands and doesn't accidentally catch a whole raft of other people. Mandelson networked intensively - there will be a lot of deleting of data today, both in the UK, EU and around the round
    The speed at which they enquiries are being launched says to me powers that be are confident nothing bad that cant be dealt with is hanging around. Given we had Petie in the news in September for his connections to Jeff, stables probably already been cleaned months ago.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    We seem to have gone through a remarkable series of destructions of what appeared to be timeless bits of the ancient and especially post WWII universe.

    A current working list:

    Israel as a bit of democratic light in the middle east
    NATO
    The United States as global policeman and ally and protector of the west
    The Conservative party
    The Labour party
    The two party system
    The UN
    The WTO
    The rules based order
    The monarchy
    Nuclear non proliferation
    The deal following the fall of the Berlin wall.


    Things fall apart; the centrist dads cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    We need someone like Franco in charge.
    You mean executing socialists would make the World a happier place for everyone else?

    I suspect Donald Trump has thought of that one before you.
    A more even-handed Franco.
    Could we please have John Major back? His government seems, with hindsight, organised and sensible with barely any scandals.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,394

    Leon said:

    Simon Sebag Montefiore is one of the good guys. He just tweeted this. I make no apologies for its length. Everyone in the world should read it


    The images emerging now from Iran of young people, older people, boys and girls, who were murdered in the last few weeks by the Iranian Islamic dictator, the Islamic Corps of Revolutionary Guards, Basij militia and imported killers from Iraq, are heartbreaking but also enraging.

    Some depict beautiful people at play, at the gym, dancing, on motorbikes; some makeshift morgues full of bodies; some streetscenes where killers shoot down unarmed protesters; and many show families opening bodybags to find their dead children shot in the head; others discover bodies of protesters wounded then executed in hospital beds and particularly women with uteruses removed or other horrors to conceal brutal rapes... Many are not young but it looks like the slaughter of the best and brightest of Iran Gen Z. Ive tried to repost these here.

    I have been contacted by people in Iran (who weirdly read my books in pirated Farsi editions) who manage to come online in various ways and they beg me to keep posting these images and faces and keep talking about them. Embarrassingly they thank me just for doing this! That is why i am writing this now. We must keep going and keep doing so.

    The numbers killed are astonishing: based on sources within the murderous dictatorship, it may be as many as 36000 were murdered just in the first days of the terror 8/9 January and more later - making it likely that 40,000 is a horribly plausible estimate.

    This makes this event the most greatest massacre in modern Iranian history by far, the greatest single event slaughter in modern MIddle Eastern history since 1900 - along with the Assad's liquidation of an entire town, site of Islamist insurgents, Hama, in 1982 when around 30,000 were killed. Both of them not taking place in wars but in cold blood - and this Iranian atrocity being far more terrible since none of the protesters were armed.

    We live in a time of egregious comparisons to the Holocaust when the Holocaust is repellently abused and minimized by cynical cretins - radiohosts, podders, politicians- to criticize anything from vaccination to ICE raids. But here is a comparison that stands in its scale and horror: in size and horror this does resemble the two days of Babi Yar near Kiev in Sept 1941 where 33,000 Jews were killed. It is also worth pointing out that an entire progressive movement arose against the autocracy of the Shah.

    And his was an autocracy. But in his forty year one reign, only around 3000 people were killed, mainly in the last year before his downfall.

    It is very striking that the UN has barely commented on thiis…

    https://x.com/simonmontefiore/status/2018630202482397222?s=46

    He goes on in that vein. Excoriating the “progressives”

    It's astonishing how everything can be shoehorned into "owning the libs" if that is one's monomania of choice. It shouldn't need pointing out, but the IRGC are not centrist dads.
    THAT’S your takeaway. THAT????
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,955

    boulay said:

    carnforth said:

    Gives me the creeps..


    It's like finger nails on the blackboard for me, but myself and yourself are fighting a losing battle on this one I'm afraid.
    It's been going on for decades sadly. Doesn't always leak into private life though.

    One which does, and drives me mad, is "i'm based in..." and "Where are you based?".

    Oh, and chefs adding "off" to everything. "Bake it off" "Fry them off" et al.
    There is a new horror creeping in here and elsewhere; “hard agree”. I’m guessing this abomination is an Americanism but it’s becoming the grey squirrel of comments driving out our native “I totally agree”. Needs culling.
    "To be fair"......
    I have noticed a rapid increase in the use of 'perfect' by people I am speaking to on the phone in last year or so e.g. doctor's receptionists etc

    e.g. "Can you make an appointment tomorrow at 10am?"

    "yes, I can."

    "Perfect."

    I have feeling this one is the Aussie's fault???
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,477
    Leon said:

    Simon Sebag Montefiore is one of the good guys. He just tweeted this. I make no apologies for its length. Everyone in the world should read it


    The images emerging now from Iran of young people, older people, boys and girls, who were murdered in the last few weeks by the Iranian Islamic dictator, the Islamic Corps of Revolutionary Guards, Basij militia and imported killers from Iraq, are heartbreaking but also enraging.

    Some depict beautiful people at play, at the gym, dancing, on motorbikes; some makeshift morgues full of bodies; some streetscenes where killers shoot down unarmed protesters; and many show families opening bodybags to find their dead children shot in the head; others discover bodies of protesters wounded then executed in hospital beds and particularly women with uteruses removed or other horrors to conceal brutal rapes... Many are not young but it looks like the slaughter of the best and brightest of Iran Gen Z. Ive tried to repost these here.

    I have been contacted by people in Iran (who weirdly read my books in pirated Farsi editions) who manage to come online in various ways and they beg me to keep posting these images and faces and keep talking about them. Embarrassingly they thank me just for doing this! That is why i am writing this now. We must keep going and keep doing so.

    The numbers killed are astonishing: based on sources within the murderous dictatorship, it may be as many as 36000 were murdered just in the first days of the terror 8/9 January and more later - making it likely that 40,000 is a horribly plausible estimate.

    This makes this event the most greatest massacre in modern Iranian history by far, the greatest single event slaughter in modern MIddle Eastern history since 1900 - along with the Assad's liquidation of an entire town, site of Islamist insurgents, Hama, in 1982 when around 30,000 were killed. Both of them not taking place in wars but in cold blood - and this Iranian atrocity being far more terrible since none of the protesters were armed.

    We live in a time of egregious comparisons to the Holocaust when the Holocaust is repellently abused and minimized by cynical cretins - radiohosts, podders, politicians- to criticize anything from vaccination to ICE raids. But here is a comparison that stands in its scale and horror: in size and horror this does resemble the two days of Babi Yar near Kiev in Sept 1941 where 33,000 Jews were killed. It is also worth pointing out that an entire progressive movement arose against the autocracy of the Shah.

    And his was an autocracy. But in his forty year one reign, only around 3000 people were killed, mainly in the last year before his downfall.

    It is very striking that the UN has barely commented on thiis…

    https://x.com/simonmontefiore/status/2018630202482397222?s=46

    He goes on in that vein. Excoriating the “progressives”

    Any updates on Sudan? Social media outrage over that benighted place seems to have gone a bit quiet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,394
    30,000 young protestors slaughtered in Iran. In a matter of days

    THIRTY THOUSAND

    @simonmontefiore is right. This is up there with the Nazis. Worse than Tiananmen

    The mind blanks at the horror
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,317

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    An investigation has started: https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-to-assess-whether-mandelson-broke-rules-over-epstein-links/
    The biggest issue will be making sure the enquiry is in a safe pair of hands and doesn't accidentally catch a whole raft of other people. Mandelson networked intensively - there will be a lot of deleting of data today, both in the UK, EU and around the round
    The speed at which they enquiries are being launched says to me powers that be are confident nothing bad that cant be dealt with is hanging around. Given we had Petie in the news in September for his connections to Jeff, stables probably already been cleaned months ago.
    He was in the news for his connections to Epstein long before that.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/06/21/keir-starmer-peter-mandelson-adviser-jeffrey-epstein-link/

    Sir Keir Starmer won’t freeze out Mandelson over Epstein friendship

    JP Morgan report suggests that the Labour peer stayed at Epstein’s Manhattan townhouse in 2009 while the billionaire was in prison
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,477
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    We seem to have gone through a remarkable series of destructions of what appeared to be timeless bits of the ancient and especially post WWII universe.

    A current working list:

    Israel as a bit of democratic light in the middle east
    NATO
    The United States as global policeman and ally and protector of the west
    The Conservative party
    The Labour party
    The two party system
    The UN
    The WTO
    The rules based order
    The monarchy
    Nuclear non proliferation
    The deal following the fall of the Berlin wall.


    Things fall apart; the centrist dads cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    We need someone like Franco in charge.
    You mean executing socialists would make the World a happier place for everyone else?

    I suspect Donald Trump has thought of that one before you.
    A more even-handed Franco.
    Executing socialists AND wokesters.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,394

    Leon said:

    Simon Sebag Montefiore is one of the good guys. He just tweeted this. I make no apologies for its length. Everyone in the world should read it


    The images emerging now from Iran of young people, older people, boys and girls, who were murdered in the last few weeks by the Iranian Islamic dictator, the Islamic Corps of Revolutionary Guards, Basij militia and imported killers from Iraq, are heartbreaking but also enraging.

    Some depict beautiful people at play, at the gym, dancing, on motorbikes; some makeshift morgues full of bodies; some streetscenes where killers shoot down unarmed protesters; and many show families opening bodybags to find their dead children shot in the head; others discover bodies of protesters wounded then executed in hospital beds and particularly women with uteruses removed or other horrors to conceal brutal rapes... Many are not young but it looks like the slaughter of the best and brightest of Iran Gen Z. Ive tried to repost these here.

    I have been contacted by people in Iran (who weirdly read my books in pirated Farsi editions) who manage to come online in various ways and they beg me to keep posting these images and faces and keep talking about them. Embarrassingly they thank me just for doing this! That is why i am writing this now. We must keep going and keep doing so.

    The numbers killed are astonishing: based on sources within the murderous dictatorship, it may be as many as 36000 were murdered just in the first days of the terror 8/9 January and more later - making it likely that 40,000 is a horribly plausible estimate.

    This makes this event the most greatest massacre in modern Iranian history by far, the greatest single event slaughter in modern MIddle Eastern history since 1900 - along with the Assad's liquidation of an entire town, site of Islamist insurgents, Hama, in 1982 when around 30,000 were killed. Both of them not taking place in wars but in cold blood - and this Iranian atrocity being far more terrible since none of the protesters were armed.

    We live in a time of egregious comparisons to the Holocaust when the Holocaust is repellently abused and minimized by cynical cretins - radiohosts, podders, politicians- to criticize anything from vaccination to ICE raids. But here is a comparison that stands in its scale and horror: in size and horror this does resemble the two days of Babi Yar near Kiev in Sept 1941 where 33,000 Jews were killed. It is also worth pointing out that an entire progressive movement arose against the autocracy of the Shah.

    And his was an autocracy. But in his forty year one reign, only around 3000 people were killed, mainly in the last year before his downfall.

    It is very striking that the UN has barely commented on thiis…

    https://x.com/simonmontefiore/status/2018630202482397222?s=46

    He goes on in that vein. Excoriating the “progressives”

    Any updates on Sudan? Social media outrage over that benighted place seems to have gone a bit quiet.
    At its worst I don’t think Sudan has seen 30-40,000 people, the best and brightest of a nation, shot to death (and raped and tortured) in a weekend

    I keep hoping it isn’t true. The utter bleakness
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486
    I am appalled.

    Shocked and appalled.

    At the lack of quality in the whataboutery on display here, this morning.

    Barely 1/10.

    If this goes on, exile to ConHome won't be enough. Immurement in the cell with Piers Corbyn and Piers Moron will be required.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,415

    Reform couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.

    👀🚨Meanwhile, while Mandelson scandal is galloping along, I hear that Robert Jenrick and Suella Braverman ended up WITH LABOUR MPs in the AYE lobby on lifting two child benefit cap.

    A source tells me they “got on their phones trying to get instructions from Farage as to whether they should be there or not”

    “They tried to leave at one point but got trapped as the doors were locked”

    Reform source confirms this happened & says it was a ‘genuine mistake’ & neither MP registered a vote. All other Reform MPs voted against….

    UPDATE: It’s been pointed out to me that because they went thru lobby the votes recorded. The record on HoC vote here. So Jenrick and Braverman voted WITH Labour to lift the two child benefit cap 🫣


    À Labour source texts: “Not our fault they don’t understand procedure and can’t organise a group of *checks notes* 8 MPs”

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2018812866858795410

    Two Reform MPs accidentally vote to scrap two-child benefit limit in Commons blunder

    "They made a genuine mistake walking through the wrong lobby," Reform spokesperson says


    https://x.com/ashcowburn/status/2018965187521548387

    Isn't there a honourable tradition of physically forcing your opponents through the wrong lobby. Believe it's both major parties as the others don't have the numbers or the muscle.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    algarkirk said:

    We seem to have gone through a remarkable series of destructions of what appeared to be timeless bits of the ancient and especially post WWII universe.

    A current working list:

    Israel as a bit of democratic light in the middle east
    NATO
    The United States as global policeman and ally and protector of the west
    The Conservative party
    The Labour party
    The two party system
    The UN
    The WTO
    The rules based order
    The monarchy
    Nuclear non proliferation
    The deal following the fall of the Berlin wall.


    Things fall apart; the centrist dads cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    We need someone like Franco in charge.
    You mean executing socialists would make the World a happier place for everyone else?

    I suspect Donald Trump has thought of that one before you.
    A more even-handed Franco.
    Executing socialists AND wokesters.
    What about the Trans Gay Illegal Immigrant Alien AIs ?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,415

    I tell you who comes out worse than Mandy and Andy in these latest emails, Sarah Ferguson, what sort of parent takes your kids to see a convicted nonce?

    Sarah Ferguson ‘took daughters to visit newly free Jeffrey Epstein’

    The former Duchess of York travelled with Eugenie, 19, and Beatrice, 20, five days after financier was released for child sex crimes


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-latest-9kn2g6n6j

    Sarah Ferguson asked Epstein to find ‘pretty’ goddaughter a job

    Former Duchess of York also pointed out that her goddaughter was 22 years old in email exchange


    Sarah Ferguson tried to persuade Jeffrey Epstein to give her goddaughter a job in his office, describing her as a “pretty girl”, newly released emails show.

    The former Duchess of York pointed out that Laura McGowan was 22 years old in the email sent in 2010 to Epstein, who had recently been released from prison for child sex crimes.

    Ms Ferguson asked Epstein, a registered sex offender by that point, to find a place for Ms McGowan to stay.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/02/03/sarah-ferguson-epstein-files-goddaughter/?recomm_id=6e7f6bc4-7320-4231-bff3-a617e92a5e96

    Waiting for a chance to use this.


  • TazTaz Posts: 24,512
    edited 9:38AM
    Leon said:

    Simon Sebag Montefiore is one of the good guys. He just tweeted this. I make no apologies for its length. Everyone in the world should read it


    The images emerging now from Iran of young people, older people, boys and girls, who were murdered in the last few weeks by the Iranian Islamic dictator, the Islamic Corps of Revolutionary Guards, Basij militia and imported killers from Iraq, are heartbreaking but also enraging.

    Some depict beautiful people at play, at the gym, dancing, on motorbikes; some makeshift morgues full of bodies; some streetscenes where killers shoot down unarmed protesters; and many show families opening bodybags to find their dead children shot in the head; others discover bodies of protesters wounded then executed in hospital beds and particularly women with uteruses removed or other horrors to conceal brutal rapes... Many are not young but it looks like the slaughter of the best and brightest of Iran Gen Z. Ive tried to repost these here.

    I have been contacted by people in Iran (who weirdly read my books in pirated Farsi editions) who manage to come online in various ways and they beg me to keep posting these images and faces and keep talking about them. Embarrassingly they thank me just for doing this! That is why i am writing this now. We must keep going and keep doing so.

    The numbers killed are astonishing: based on sources within the murderous dictatorship, it may be as many as 36000 were murdered just in the first days of the terror 8/9 January and more later - making it likely that 40,000 is a horribly plausible estimate.

    This makes this event the most greatest massacre in modern Iranian history by far, the greatest single event slaughter in modern MIddle Eastern history since 1900 - along with the Assad's liquidation of an entire town, site of Islamist insurgents, Hama, in 1982 when around 30,000 were killed. Both of them not taking place in wars but in cold blood - and this Iranian atrocity being far more terrible since none of the protesters were armed.

    We live in a time of egregious comparisons to the Holocaust when the Holocaust is repellently abused and minimized by cynical cretins - radiohosts, podders, politicians- to criticize anything from vaccination to ICE raids. But here is a comparison that stands in its scale and horror: in size and horror this does resemble the two days of Babi Yar near Kiev in Sept 1941 where 33,000 Jews were killed. It is also worth pointing out that an entire progressive movement arose against the autocracy of the Shah.

    And his was an autocracy. But in his forty year one reign, only around 3000 people were killed, mainly in the last year before his downfall.

    It is very striking that the UN has barely commented on thiis…

    https://x.com/simonmontefiore/status/2018630202482397222?s=46

    He goes on in that vein. Excoriating the “progressives”

    But but ICE…..

    (As Malmesbury is missing whataboutery)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,477
    Leon said:

    30,000 young protestors slaughtered in Iran. In a matter of days

    THIRTY THOUSAND

    @simonmontefiore is right. This is up there with the Nazis. Worse than Tiananmen

    The mind blanks at the horror

    What a pinko lib you are, only a couple of days ago a PBer was claiming 90 000 'might' have been murdered.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,641
    The 17% swing in SD 9 in Texas if repeated in the midterms in November would see the biggest win for one party in Congress since the Democrats won 57% of the vote in the 1974 midterms after Watergate. So clearly much for the GOP to ponder
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    An investigation has started: https://www.euractiv.com/news/eu-to-assess-whether-mandelson-broke-rules-over-epstein-links/
    The biggest issue will be making sure the enquiry is in a safe pair of hands and doesn't accidentally catch a whole raft of other people. Mandelson networked intensively - there will be a lot of deleting of data today, both in the UK, EU and around the round
    The speed at which they enquiries are being launched says to me powers that be are confident nothing bad that cant be dealt with is hanging around. Given we had Petie in the news in September for his connections to Jeff, stables probably already been cleaned months ago.
    Launching an enquiry is often a method for delaying the bad news, and controlling it.

    See the multiple enquires that have last decades, until everyone is asleep. And then publish a worthy tome that sends everyone left to sleep, as well.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,486

    Leon said:

    30,000 young protestors slaughtered in Iran. In a matter of days

    THIRTY THOUSAND

    @simonmontefiore is right. This is up there with the Nazis. Worse than Tiananmen

    The mind blanks at the horror

    What a pinko lib you are, only a couple of days ago a PBer was claiming 90 000 'might' have been murdered.
    2/10
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,798
    Apols if been posted before but what is going on in Leicester?

    https://bbc.co.uk/news/live/c17zkj7nwzjt

    And why is it buried in the local news?
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,512
    edited 9:40AM
    RIP John Virgo

    He wasn’t on the Snooker Loopy hit song but he did have a Big break.

    Given his birthday was the 4th March he was not a Virgo either. A Pisces. Odd
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,394

    Leon said:

    30,000 young protestors slaughtered in Iran. In a matter of days

    THIRTY THOUSAND

    @simonmontefiore is right. This is up there with the Nazis. Worse than Tiananmen

    The mind blanks at the horror

    What a pinko lib you are, only a couple of days ago a PBer was claiming 90 000 'might' have been murdered.
    You are grotesque
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,704
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Simon Sebag Montefiore is one of the good guys. He just tweeted this. I make no apologies for its length. Everyone in the world should read it


    The images emerging now from Iran of young people, older people, boys and girls, who were murdered in the last few weeks by the Iranian Islamic dictator, the Islamic Corps of Revolutionary Guards, Basij militia and imported killers from Iraq, are heartbreaking but also enraging.

    Some depict beautiful people at play, at the gym, dancing, on motorbikes; some makeshift morgues full of bodies; some streetscenes where killers shoot down unarmed protesters; and many show families opening bodybags to find their dead children shot in the head; others discover bodies of protesters wounded then executed in hospital beds and particularly women with uteruses removed or other horrors to conceal brutal rapes... Many are not young but it looks like the slaughter of the best and brightest of Iran Gen Z. Ive tried to repost these here.

    I have been contacted by people in Iran (who weirdly read my books in pirated Farsi editions) who manage to come online in various ways and they beg me to keep posting these images and faces and keep talking about them. Embarrassingly they thank me just for doing this! That is why i am writing this now. We must keep going and keep doing so.

    The numbers killed are astonishing: based on sources within the murderous dictatorship, it may be as many as 36000 were murdered just in the first days of the terror 8/9 January and more later - making it likely that 40,000 is a horribly plausible estimate.

    This makes this event the most greatest massacre in modern Iranian history by far, the greatest single event slaughter in modern MIddle Eastern history since 1900 - along with the Assad's liquidation of an entire town, site of Islamist insurgents, Hama, in 1982 when around 30,000 were killed. Both of them not taking place in wars but in cold blood - and this Iranian atrocity being far more terrible since none of the protesters were armed.

    We live in a time of egregious comparisons to the Holocaust when the Holocaust is repellently abused and minimized by cynical cretins - radiohosts, podders, politicians- to criticize anything from vaccination to ICE raids. But here is a comparison that stands in its scale and horror: in size and horror this does resemble the two days of Babi Yar near Kiev in Sept 1941 where 33,000 Jews were killed. It is also worth pointing out that an entire progressive movement arose against the autocracy of the Shah.

    And his was an autocracy. But in his forty year one reign, only around 3000 people were killed, mainly in the last year before his downfall.

    It is very striking that the UN has barely commented on thiis…

    https://x.com/simonmontefiore/status/2018630202482397222?s=46

    He goes on in that vein. Excoriating the “progressives”

    It's astonishing how everything can be shoehorned into "owning the libs" if that is one's monomania of choice. It shouldn't need pointing out, but the IRGC are not centrist dads.
    THAT’S your takeaway. THAT????
    That was YOUR takeaway not mine... "He goes on in that vein. Excoriating the “progressives”" being your comment, no? Astonishing to me that that was what you took from all this but not entirely surprising seeing as this is the warped lens through which you seem to view the world.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,382

    Leon said:

    Simon Sebag Montefiore is one of the good guys. He just tweeted this. I make no apologies for its length. Everyone in the world should read it


    The images emerging now from Iran of young people, older people, boys and girls, who were murdered in the last few weeks by the Iranian Islamic dictator, the Islamic Corps of Revolutionary Guards, Basij militia and imported killers from Iraq, are heartbreaking but also enraging.

    Some depict beautiful people at play, at the gym, dancing, on motorbikes; some makeshift morgues full of bodies; some streetscenes where killers shoot down unarmed protesters; and many show families opening bodybags to find their dead children shot in the head; others discover bodies of protesters wounded then executed in hospital beds and particularly women with uteruses removed or other horrors to conceal brutal rapes... Many are not young but it looks like the slaughter of the best and brightest of Iran Gen Z. Ive tried to repost these here.

    I have been contacted by people in Iran (who weirdly read my books in pirated Farsi editions) who manage to come online in various ways and they beg me to keep posting these images and faces and keep talking about them. Embarrassingly they thank me just for doing this! That is why i am writing this now. We must keep going and keep doing so.

    The numbers killed are astonishing: based on sources within the murderous dictatorship, it may be as many as 36000 were murdered just in the first days of the terror 8/9 January and more later - making it likely that 40,000 is a horribly plausible estimate.

    This makes this event the most greatest massacre in modern Iranian history by far, the greatest single event slaughter in modern MIddle Eastern history since 1900 - along with the Assad's liquidation of an entire town, site of Islamist insurgents, Hama, in 1982 when around 30,000 were killed. Both of them not taking place in wars but in cold blood - and this Iranian atrocity being far more terrible since none of the protesters were armed.

    We live in a time of egregious comparisons to the Holocaust when the Holocaust is repellently abused and minimized by cynical cretins - radiohosts, podders, politicians- to criticize anything from vaccination to ICE raids. But here is a comparison that stands in its scale and horror: in size and horror this does resemble the two days of Babi Yar near Kiev in Sept 1941 where 33,000 Jews were killed. It is also worth pointing out that an entire progressive movement arose against the autocracy of the Shah.

    And his was an autocracy. But in his forty year one reign, only around 3000 people were killed, mainly in the last year before his downfall.

    It is very striking that the UN has barely commented on thiis…

    https://x.com/simonmontefiore/status/2018630202482397222?s=46

    He goes on in that vein. Excoriating the “progressives”

    It's astonishing how everything can be shoehorned into "owning the libs" if that is one's monomania of choice. It shouldn't need pointing out, but the IRGC are not centrist dads.
    Given Mandelson was one of the Libs and has been shown to be entirely self-serving, is it any wonder some want to "own" them in the way they have hitherto "owned" us?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,760
    Taz said:

    RIP John Virgo

    He wasn’t on the Snooker Loopy hit song but he did have a Big break.

    Given his birthday was the 4th March he was not a Virgo either. A Pisces. Odd

    At its peak, didn't Big Break have some insane viewership numbers?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,000
    Morning all :)

    Apologies if already posted but we have the weekly More In Common numbers:

    Reform: 30% (+1)
    Labour: 21% (-1)
    Conservative: 20% (=)
    Liberal Democrat: 14% (+1)
    Green: 10% (=)

    Fieldwork 31/1 - 2/2 - changes from the poll issued 28/1.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 976
    Trump will not allow the Nov ember elections to go ahead in a normal way, be ready for the Army controlling and lots of boxes being stuffed with votes,leading to Civil War
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,000
    Taz said:

    RIP John Virgo

    He wasn’t on the Snooker Loopy hit song but he did have a Big break.

    Given his birthday was the 4th March he was not a Virgo either. A Pisces. Odd

    That is sad - I remember some of his impressions - very good, particularly the Alex Higgins.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,233

    Do we know what the EU is doing about Mandelson? He was their Trade Commissioner for several years - was he peddling their confidential information as well?

    They're investigating also, according to the Guardian
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