@alexrogerssky A number of Labour sources in the north west expect Andy Burnham will put in a nomination for the Gorton and Denton byelection by the 5pm deadline, with an announcement expected later today - but watch this space
The speculation is that Burnham expects to be blocked by the NEC - thereby triggering a wave of support which strengthens his position and weakens the PM's
A different week, a different party having psychodrama.
It is very much a construct of right wing media and Burnham's ego.
How so? All this Team Starmer will block Burnham standing angle hasn't been coming from right wing media.
If course it has.
My own view is Burnham is mischief making in conjunction with the media.
You seem quite upset by all this but to try to pin this on right wing media is simply nonsense
This is being led by Angela Rayner and others very much supported by many on the left
Of coarse it will cause a fracture in labour whether he stands or doesn't but the person to look at here is Starmer who simply has not performed to any credible level
Burnham going for Gorton promotes Reform at a time where the Government are under pressure. Now you would prefer to see benefits for both Conservative and Reform at the expense of a party that isn't Reform or the Conservatives. I agree that Starmer has been a poor Prime Minister but my beef with Burnham he is digging the hole deeper and his ambition is assisting Farage.
I don't believe, and I am sure you agree, that Burnham would be anything other than an inadequate Prime Minister.
You would have more credibility if you accepted this is entirely led by the left in the party and not try to make it some right wing conspiracy
I doubt Burnham would be worse than Starmer but this is the labour party's problem
In the East Midlands we have a tradition of Plough Plays, normally performed around pubs in early January. The first Monday of the year is Plough Monday when the ploughs were traditionally blessed. The Plough Boys would travel around the pubs performing a short play in return for refreshments. The plays are a bit more secular than the Mummer plays and usually include local gossip and politics.
For the last decade we have been reviving this tradition and along with Wassailing our orchards we also perform a small Plough Play after we have eaten. Usually 10 or a dozen of us, all friends of a similar mindset. Not public performnance, just keeping a tradition going.
The mindset of the group is very similar to mine as you see me on here. Somewhat right of centre, rural, middle class, pretty well informed on history, very scornful of central government and distrusting of the State and all of us pro-Brexit. Some former military etc.
The reason I bring this up is that, having been working away this year, I wasn't involved in the writing of the play (we keep the same basic format and generic characters but rewrite the script each year). I was pleasantly suprised to just read the script which we will be performing this evening and to see that two of the main characters are Dame Jane Trump and the Devil Farage. They are both comic/evil characters and both meet a sticky end.
I don't know how much we are representative of those who supported (and continue to support) Brexit but we ought to be a natural constituancy for an anti-Government party. Yet none of us are in any way interested in Farage and he has become a character of scorn and contempt.
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
@alexrogerssky A number of Labour sources in the north west expect Andy Burnham will put in a nomination for the Gorton and Denton byelection by the 5pm deadline, with an announcement expected later today - but watch this space
The speculation is that Burnham expects to be blocked by the NEC - thereby triggering a wave of support which strengthens his position and weakens the PM's
A different week, a different party having psychodrama.
It is very much a construct of right wing media and Burnham's ego.
How so? All this Team Starmer will block Burnham standing angle hasn't been coming from right wing media.
If course it has.
My own view is Burnham is mischief making in conjunction with the media.
You seem quite upset by all this but to try to pin this on right wing media is simply nonsense
This is being led by Angela Rayner and others very much supported by many on the left
Of coarse it will cause a fracture in labour whether he stands or doesn't but the person to look at here is Starmer who simply has not performed to any credible level
Burnham going for Gorton promotes Reform at a time where the Government are under pressure. Now you would prefer to see benefits for both Conservative and Reform at the expense of a party that isn't Reform or the Conservatives. I agree that Starmer has been a poor Prime Minister but my beef with Burnham he is digging the hole deeper and his ambition is assisting Farage.
I don't believe, and I am sure you agree, that Burnham would be anything other than an inadequate Prime Minister.
You would have more credibility if you accepted this is entirely led by the left in the party and not try to make it some right wing conspiracy
I doubt Burnham would be worse than Starmer but this is the labour party's problem
Burnham would be diabolical as PM. A frippery of a man.
@alexrogerssky A number of Labour sources in the north west expect Andy Burnham will put in a nomination for the Gorton and Denton byelection by the 5pm deadline, with an announcement expected later today - but watch this space
The speculation is that Burnham expects to be blocked by the NEC - thereby triggering a wave of support which strengthens his position and weakens the PM's
A different week, a different party having psychodrama.
It is very much a construct of right wing media and Burnham's ego.
How so? All this Team Starmer will block Burnham standing angle hasn't been coming from right wing media.
If course it has.
My own view is Burnham is mischief making in conjunction with the media.
You seem quite upset by all this but to try to pin this on right wing media is simply nonsense
This is being led by Angela Rayner and others very much supported by many on the left
Of coarse it will cause a fracture in labour whether he stands or doesn't but the person to look at here is Starmer who simply has not performed to any credible level
Burnham going for Gorton promotes Reform at a time where the Government are under pressure. Now you would prefer to see benefits for both Conservative and Reform at the expense of a party that isn't Reform or the Conservatives. I agree that Starmer has been a poor Prime Minister but my beef with Burnham he is digging the hole deeper and his ambition is assisting Farage.
I don't believe, and I am sure you agree, that Burnham would be anything other than an inadequate Prime Minister.
You would have more credibility if you accepted this is entirely led by the left in the party and not try to make it some right wing conspiracy
I doubt Burnham would be worse than Starmer but this is the labour party's problem
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
8 degrees and a halfway clear sky here. About as good as it gets for January !
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
I can't decide which of yours or your partner's TV choices I would dislike watching the most
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
Are Conservatives pushing Burnham? I don’t want him, as bad as I think Starmer is I think Burnham could end up being worse whilst trying to please the left of the Labour Party so would rather the useless devil I know.
We could also, as a country, do with as much stability as possible at the moment and would rather hope that Starmer can improve than have months of party politics being prioritised than the country - I seem to remember many on the left making this critique of the Tories in the dying days of Boris/Truss/Sunak so I’m sure they agree that this Burnham boosting is not good for the country either.
In the East Midlands we have a tradition of Plough Plays, normally performed around pubs in early January. The first Monday of the year is Plough Monday when the ploughs were traditionally blessed. The Plough Boys would travel around the pubs performing a short play in return for refreshments. The plays are a bit more secular than the Mummer plays and usually include local gossip and politics.
For the last decade we have been reviving this tradition and along with Wassailing our orchards we also perform a small Plough Play after we have eaten. Usually 10 or a dozen of us, all friends of a similar mindset. Not public performnance, just keeping a tradition going.
The mindset of the group is very similar to mine as you see me on here. Somewhat right of centre, rural, middle class, pretty well informed on history, very scornful of central government and distrusting of the State and all of us pro-Brexit. Some former military etc.
The reason I bring this up is that, having been working away this year, I wasn't involved in the writing of the play (we keep the same basic format and generic characters but rewrite the script each year). I was pleasantly suprised to just read the script which we will be performing this evening and to see that two of the main characters are Dame Jane Trump and the Devil Farage. They are both comic/evil characters and both meet a sticky end.
I don't know how much we are representative of those who supported (and continue to support) Brexit but we ought to be a natural constituancy for an anti-Government party. Yet none of us are in any way interested in Farage and he has become a character of scorn and contempt.
Interesting. This jogged a memory. A few years ago I was in a pub in my neck of the Midland woods and some guys came in all dressed up in various costumes and did a short play. I had assumed it was Mummer. But I just checked my photo stream and it was in mid Jan. So maybe they were Plough Boys?
@alexrogerssky A number of Labour sources in the north west expect Andy Burnham will put in a nomination for the Gorton and Denton byelection by the 5pm deadline, with an announcement expected later today - but watch this space
The speculation is that Burnham expects to be blocked by the NEC - thereby triggering a wave of support which strengthens his position and weakens the PM's
A different week, a different party having psychodrama.
It is very much a construct of right wing media and Burnham's ego.
How so? All this Team Starmer will block Burnham standing angle hasn't been coming from right wing media.
If course it has.
My own view is Burnham is mischief making in conjunction with the media.
You seem quite upset by all this but to try to pin this on right wing media is simply nonsense
This is being led by Angela Rayner and others very much supported by many on the left
Of coarse it will cause a fracture in labour whether he stands or doesn't but the person to look at here is Starmer who simply has not performed to any credible level
Burnham going for Gorton promotes Reform at a time where the Government are under pressure. Now you would prefer to see benefits for both Conservative and Reform at the expense of a party that isn't Reform or the Conservatives. I agree that Starmer has been a poor Prime Minister but my beef with Burnham he is digging the hole deeper and his ambition is assisting Farage.
I don't believe, and I am sure you agree, that Burnham would be anything other than an inadequate Prime Minister.
You would have more credibility if you accepted this is entirely led by the left in the party and not try to make it some right wing conspiracy
I doubt Burnham would be worse than Starmer but this is the labour party's problem
So why are you so keen for Burnham to stand?
I really couldn't care less to be honest
The damage to labour unity has already happened, though not sure it wasn't there before this with Streeting on manoeuvres
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
The 1997 Pride & Prejudice is probably my favourite piece of TV of all time. But Bridgerton... now there's cruel and unusual punishment.
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, it's because they hope for a Labour Party internal row. As a Leftish (well quite, sometimes) I'd like to see Burnham in Parliament, and indeed in Government, but equally not at the cost of a row which would give comfort and sustenance to the Conservative party. Unless it also gave similar assistance and encouragement to the LibDems, although TBH I'm becoming disenchanted with Davey's lack of 'get up and go'.(Yes, I recall my forecasts.) However I do recognise the the Press and in particular the BBC are besotted with Farage for reasons which I do not understand.
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
Blimey, fitalass, I hope you have a big garden. The subject of setting fire to trees came up at a visit to my sister's who has decked the halls with artificial trees.
At a smaller place they had lived sooner years ago, a neighbour in the terrace had set about disposing of his real tree in this way in the middle of the small back garden. An insurance claim for some of the terrace's first floor guttering resulted, and real trees were banned chez sister Rata since.
I didn't ask whether the control experiment with artificial trees had been done, bit I suspect they had a point.
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
Blimey, fitalass, I hope you have a big garden. The subject of setting fire to trees came up at a visit to my sister's who has decked the halls with artificial trees.
At a smaller place they had lived sooner years ago, a neighbour in the terrace had set about disposing of his real tree in this way in the middle of the small back garden. An insurance claim for some of the terrace's first floor guttering resulted, and real trees were banned chez sister Rata since.
I didn't ask whether the control experiment with artificial trees had been done, bit I suspect they had a point.
Should be fine, Christmas trees, beyond the needles, burn about as well as water.
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
8 degrees and a halfway clear sky here. About as good as it gets for January !
After nearly two weeks of heavy snow with daily weather amber/yellow warnings we have now moved onto heavy rain with daily amber/yellow weather warnings and flooding here in the North East of Scotland. Just over a year ago we spent a memorable and incredible hot three week holiday in Australia over Christmas and New Year when we attended our middle son's wonderful wedding in the Barrossa Valley.
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
It is Angela Rayner and a host of labour mps pushing for him which you don't seem to like but never mind, blame the tories !!!
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
It is Angela Rayner and a host of labour mps pushing for him which you don't seem to like but never mind, blame the tories !!!
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
It is Angela Rayner and a host of labour mps pushing for him which you don't seem to like but never mind, blame the tories !!!
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
You are assuming. Plenty of lefties, here and elsewhere want a change from Starmer. See @Roger in the hours that are an odd number, for example.
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
It is Angela Rayner and a host of labour mps pushing for him which you don't seem to like but never mind, blame the tories !!!
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
It is Angela Rayner and a host of labour mps pushing for him which you don't seem to like but never mind, blame the tories !!!
Aaron Rupar @atrupar · 9m The Star Tribune reports that federal agents "attempted to order local police from the scene" where a man was shot and killed by feds this morning, but Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara refused and "instructed his officers to preserve the scene."
@alexrogerssky A number of Labour sources in the north west expect Andy Burnham will put in a nomination for the Gorton and Denton byelection by the 5pm deadline, with an announcement expected later today - but watch this space
The speculation is that Burnham expects to be blocked by the NEC - thereby triggering a wave of support which strengthens his position and weakens the PM's
A different week, a different party having psychodrama.
It is very much a construct of right wing media and Burnham's ego.
How so? All this Team Starmer will block Burnham standing angle hasn't been coming from right wing media.
If course it has.
My own view is Burnham is mischief making in conjunction with the media.
You seem quite upset by all this but to try to pin this on right wing media is simply nonsense
This is being led by Angela Rayner and others very much supported by many on the left
Of coarse it will cause a fracture in labour whether he stands or doesn't but the person to look at here is Starmer who simply has not performed to any credible level
Burnham going for Gorton promotes Reform at a time where the Government are under pressure. Now you would prefer to see benefits for both Conservative and Reform at the expense of a party that isn't Reform or the Conservatives. I agree that Starmer has been a poor Prime Minister but my beef with Burnham he is digging the hole deeper and his ambition is assisting Farage.
I don't believe, and I am sure you agree, that Burnham would be anything other than an inadequate Prime Minister.
You would have more credibility if you accepted this is entirely led by the left in the party and not try to make it some right wing conspiracy
I doubt Burnham would be worse than Starmer but this is the labour party's problem
So why are you so keen for Burnham to stand?
I really couldn't care less to be honest
The damage to labour unity has already happened, though not sure it wasn't there before this with Streeting on manoeuvres
The damage to Labour unity happened when Starmer & Co. drove their popularity into the ground, and alienated the Labour Left to the point that a large portion left - to set up a new party or join the Greens.
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
The 1997 Pride & Prejudice is probably my favourite piece of TV of all time. But Bridgerton... now there's cruel and unusual punishment.
I think it’s 1995, Pride and Prejudice, but it’s a joy to watch. I remember coming home from a drunken dinner with a friend at 11 pm, and we proceeded to watch it through to 5.30 am.
A man was shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said.
Video shows several agents wrestling the man to the ground and shooting him multiple times.
The Minnesota Star Tribune is on the scene.
Here’s what else you need to know:
A 2-year-old detained by federal agents in Minneapolis was reunited with her mother Friday.
Witnesses are refuting the federal government’s repeated assertions that a 5-year-old was “abandoned” by his father before both were detained in Columbia Heights this week.
Border Patrol Commander at Large Greg Bovino and assistant ICE director Marcos Charles, who will hold another news conference Saturday morning, are fighting back against what they call a “false narrative about what we do and who we are and who we arrest.”
Two women detained by ICE say they helped an agent having a seizure while being transported to the Whipple federal building.
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
The 1997 Pride & Prejudice is probably my favourite piece of TV of all time. But Bridgerton... now there's cruel and unusual punishment.
I think it’s 1995, Pride and Prejudice, but it’s a joy to watch. I remember coming home from a drunken dinner with a friend at 11 pm, and we proceeded to watch it through to 5.30 am.
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
The 1997 Pride & Prejudice is probably my favourite piece of TV of all time. But Bridgerton... now there's cruel and unusual punishment.
I think it’s 1995, Pride and Prejudice, but it’s a joy to watch. I remember coming home from a drunken dinner with a friend at 11 pm, and we proceeded to watch it through to 5.30 am.
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
The 1997 Pride & Prejudice is probably my favourite piece of TV of all time. But Bridgerton... now there's cruel and unusual punishment.
I think it’s 1995, Pride and Prejudice, but it’s a joy to watch. I remember coming home from a drunken dinner with a friend at 11 pm, and we proceeded to watch it through to 5.30 am.
It's much better than any other adaptation.
Actually the best tv adaptation there has ever been in my view. As TV it's only bettered by a very, very few programmes. Really only 'The Wire' I'd be confident of saying was better.
The BBC also have the clear number two spot in terms of TV adaptations with 'I Claudius'. Perhaps they may even have the top 5.
NY Times: City officials described “the shooting of an adult male in Minneapolis involving ICE agents” and said they planned to share more information at a news conference at 11:30 local time.
NY Times: City officials described “the shooting of an adult male in Minneapolis involving ICE agents” and said they planned to share more information at a news conference at 11:30 local time.
There are videos online. There's a pile-on and then they shoot him. Indefensible.
NY Times: City officials described “the shooting of an adult male in Minneapolis involving ICE agents” and said they planned to share more information at a news conference at 11:30 local time.
There's a video from the other side of the street. Several ICE agents are wrestling a man to the ground. Then one of them shoots him. He's now dead.
NY Times: City officials described “the shooting of an adult male in Minneapolis involving ICE agents” and said they planned to share more information at a news conference at 11:30 local time.
There's a video from the other side of the street. Several ICE agents are wrestling a man to the ground. Then one of them shoots him. He's now dead.
Time to stretch the definitions of qualified immunity even further I guess?
A man was shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said.
Video shows several agents wrestling the man to the ground and shooting him multiple times.
The Minnesota Star Tribune is on the scene.
Here’s what else you need to know:
A 2-year-old detained by federal agents in Minneapolis was reunited with her mother Friday.
Witnesses are refuting the federal government’s repeated assertions that a 5-year-old was “abandoned” by his father before both were detained in Columbia Heights this week.
Border Patrol Commander at Large Greg Bovino and assistant ICE director Marcos Charles, who will hold another news conference Saturday morning, are fighting back against what they call a “false narrative about what we do and who we are and who we arrest.”
Two women detained by ICE say they helped an agent having a seizure while being transported to the Whipple federal building.
This is the report of the detainees assisting the ICE guy with a seizure. https://www.startribune.com/detained-by-ice-two-women-became-first-responders-during-agents-seizure/601569667 ... Amundson, a kindergarten teacher who has received CPR and first-aid training through school emergency planning, moved without hesitation once the cuffs came off. The agents stepped out of the vehicle, leaving the driver’s door open, the engine running and the keys inside. Weapons were still in reach...
... A commanding officer eventually approached them. “We’re releasing you to your counsel and to your state representative,” the officer said, according to Amundson. “But you need to tell everybody that we treated you kindly.” They were driven to the front of the Whipple Federal Building and released into their representative’s car. What stayed with Amundson most, she said, was not the adrenaline of the moment but the realization that came while she was holding the agent’s head in her hands and keeping his airway open. “I was hit so hard with the fact that this man would not do this for me,” she said.
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
It is Angela Rayner and a host of labour mps pushing for him which you don't seem to like but never mind, blame the tories !!!
Angela Rayner & the Guardian are rightwing.
Didn’t you get the memo?
Different factions have different agendas but can still desire the same outcome, i.e. a humiliation of the current Government in Burnham's case to climb the greasy pole and in the right wing media's case to dispatch a centrist Government and replace it with a Farage- Putin government.
Anyway that @mexicanpete is pissing me off too. The bastard!
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
The 1997 Pride & Prejudice is probably my favourite piece of TV of all time. But Bridgerton... now there's cruel and unusual punishment.
I think it’s 1995, Pride and Prejudice, but it’s a joy to watch. I remember coming home from a drunken dinner with a friend at 11 pm, and we proceeded to watch it through to 5.30 am.
It's much better than any other adaptation.
Actually the best tv adaptation there has ever been in my view. As TV it's only bettered by a very, very few programmes. Really only 'The Wire' I'd be confident of saying was better.
The BBC also have the clear number two spot in terms of TV adaptations with 'I Claudius'. Perhaps they may even have the top 5.
Most men are not into period drama, but this is -pretty consistently - the one that I hear most don't mind watching, and actively enjoy.
It's a good yardstick for the quality of the writing and the drama.
Covering sport from a female PB perspective this weekend...
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
The 1997 Pride & Prejudice is probably my favourite piece of TV of all time. But Bridgerton... now there's cruel and unusual punishment.
I think it’s 1995, Pride and Prejudice, but it’s a joy to watch. I remember coming home from a drunken dinner with a friend at 11 pm, and we proceeded to watch it through to 5.30 am.
Agreed, 1995. I got married - quite young - in 1994 and was very much still blissed out when this hit screens a year later, I hadn't read the book so had no idea of the story line. I was almost as much in love with Jennifer Ehle as with Mrs OR and the same is true 30 years later
In the East Midlands we have a tradition of Plough Plays, normally performed around pubs in early January. The first Monday of the year is Plough Monday when the ploughs were traditionally blessed. The Plough Boys would travel around the pubs performing a short play in return for refreshments. The plays are a bit more secular than the Mummer plays and usually include local gossip and politics.
For the last decade we have been reviving this tradition and along with Wassailing our orchards we also perform a small Plough Play after we have eaten. Usually 10 or a dozen of us, all friends of a similar mindset. Not public performnance, just keeping a tradition going.
The mindset of the group is very similar to mine as you see me on here. Somewhat right of centre, rural, middle class, pretty well informed on history, very scornful of central government and distrusting of the State and all of us pro-Brexit. Some former military etc.
The reason I bring this up is that, having been working away this year, I wasn't involved in the writing of the play (we keep the same basic format and generic characters but rewrite the script each year). I was pleasantly suprised to just read the script which we will be performing this evening and to see that two of the main characters are Dame Jane Trump and the Devil Farage. They are both comic/evil characters and both meet a sticky end.
I don't know how much we are representative of those who supported (and continue to support) Brexit but we ought to be a natural constituancy for an anti-Government party. Yet none of us are in any way interested in Farage and he has become a character of scorn and contempt.
Interesting. This jogged a memory. A few years ago I was in a pub in my neck of the Midland woods and some guys came in all dressed up in various costumes and did a short play. I had assumed it was Mummer. But I just checked my photo stream and it was in mid Jan. So maybe they were Plough Boys?
Very likely. It is a mostly forgotten tradition that remained prominant until the early post war period then mostly died away. There has been some revival in recent years and there are plenty of examples of the play scripts themselves still to be found if one looks hard enough.
Apparently the i newspaper is reporting Trump is considering cancelling the mid terms because he has done so well that they are not needed !!!!!
The results would be clearly rigged because they would not reflect Trump's utter awesomeness by given him 67 senators and 300 Reps so he could amend the Constitution and make himself King.
They only need - and are planning to get - 34 states so they *can* amend the Constitution.
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, others with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
Why are Conservatives on here pushing Burnham if he is so popular with voters?
It is Angela Rayner and a host of labour mps pushing for him which you don't seem to like but never mind, blame the tories !!!
Totally agree Big_G_North Wales. It is the Labour party and their grassroots and the political lobby that have become obsessed with the possibility of Andy Burnham returning to front line Westminster politics as a potential stalking horse to take on and replace Keir Starmer and there has been a real rewriting of history and bigging up of his political credentials to boot.
To be honest I think he missed his chance when he didn't take the opportunity to run in a safe Labour seat back in the 2024 GE if he was that single mindedly personally ambitious to become the next Labour leader. I suspect the voters would not take kindly to a Labour candidate so clearly using a by-election in their constituency seat as a vehicle for their personal ambitions in this way in the current febrile UK political scene. Plus, it would be a hell of risk trying to return to Westminster as a challenger to Keir Starmer's leadership while Labour's polling is so dire and you could not rely on either him or the whole Labour party turning out in any real effort to help your campaign even if you managed to get selected locally.
I found it really telling that just weeks ago Reform were calling for all defecting MPs to trigger a by-election so they could win a mandate as a local MP representing their new party, and yet neither Robert Jenrick or Andrew Rosindell with the backing of the Reform leadership are now prepared to take that gamble so have left the voters in their constituencies without a voice about their defections until the next GE. A huge political mistake that I think will backfire on both of them at the next GE what ever party polling of Reform, but then I think that Robert Jenrick blew up his own personal political career when he defected in the way he did and doing the media rounds while focussing on his petty attempts to try to rescue his reputation and reclaim the political agenda to try to justify his actions this week as far more important global and domestic issues took precedence while he did this just amplified he how diminished he had become as result.
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I doubt Burnham would be worse than Starmer but this is the labour party's problem
In the East Midlands we have a tradition of Plough Plays, normally performed around pubs in early January. The first Monday of the year is Plough Monday when the ploughs were traditionally blessed. The Plough Boys would travel around the pubs performing a short play in return for refreshments. The plays are a bit more secular than the Mummer plays and usually include local gossip and politics.
For the last decade we have been reviving this tradition and along with Wassailing our orchards we also perform a small Plough Play after we have eaten. Usually 10 or a dozen of us, all friends of a similar mindset. Not public performnance, just keeping a tradition going.
The mindset of the group is very similar to mine as you see me on here. Somewhat right of centre, rural, middle class, pretty well informed on history, very scornful of central government and distrusting of the State and all of us pro-Brexit. Some former military etc.
The reason I bring this up is that, having been working away this year, I wasn't involved in the writing of the play (we keep the same basic format and generic characters but rewrite the script each year). I was pleasantly suprised to just read the script which we will be performing this evening and to see that two of the main characters are Dame Jane Trump and the Devil Farage. They are both comic/evil characters and both meet a sticky end.
I don't know how much we are representative of those who supported (and continue to support) Brexit but we ought to be a natural constituancy for an anti-Government party. Yet none of us are in any way interested in Farage and he has become a character of scorn and contempt.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/andy-burnham-preferred-keir-starmer-pm-narrowly-leads-nigel-farage
“When the public are asked whether Keir Starmer would make a better Prime Minister than a host of leading politicians, he is neck and neck with Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch. However, he trails Andy Burnham by 13 points, with 2024 Labour voters preferring the Manchester Mayor by 36% to 29%.”
It is a miserable cold January Saturday afternoon and the awful weather means fitaloon could not even finally get out in the garden and set light to the Christmas tree..... So when he asked me to turn over to Sky 401 earlier I assumed when I did so and then handed him the controls he was going to watch a football game and probable his beloved Man City! But no... I stupidly listened on for 45 minutes of my life I will not get back before I realised without a game to watch he was just watching a bunch of men discussing and covering the football action this weekend!😱 For this I should make him watch my favourite episode of Pride and Prejudice (1997) or Bridgerton..... 🤬
We could also, as a country, do with as much stability as possible at the moment and would rather hope that Starmer can improve than have months of party politics being prioritised than the country - I seem to remember many on the left making this critique of the Tories in the dying days of Boris/Truss/Sunak so I’m sure they agree that this Burnham boosting is not good for the country either.
The damage to labour unity has already happened, though not sure it wasn't there before this with Streeting on manoeuvres
Unless it also gave similar assistance and encouragement to the LibDems, although TBH I'm becoming disenchanted with Davey's lack of 'get up and go'.(Yes, I recall my forecasts.) However I do recognise the the Press and in particular the BBC are besotted with Farage for reasons which I do not understand.
At a smaller place they had lived sooner years ago, a neighbour in the terrace had set about disposing of his real tree in this way in the middle of the small back garden. An insurance claim for some of the terrace's first floor guttering resulted, and real trees were banned chez sister Rata since.
I didn't ask whether the control experiment with artificial trees had been done, bit I suspect they had a point.
WAAH-WAAH-WAH
I would be surprised if he does go for it
Didn’t you get the memo?
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The Star Tribune reports that federal agents "attempted to order local police from the scene" where a man was shot and killed by feds this morning, but Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara refused and "instructed his officers to preserve the scene."
https://x.com/atrupar/status/2015102465075560595
This is the fallout phase.
A man was shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning, Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara said.
Video shows several agents wrestling the man to the ground and shooting him multiple times.
The Minnesota Star Tribune is on the scene.
Here’s what else you need to know:
A 2-year-old detained by federal agents in Minneapolis was reunited with her mother Friday.
Witnesses are refuting the federal government’s repeated assertions that a 5-year-old was “abandoned” by his father before both were detained in Columbia Heights this week.
Border Patrol Commander at Large Greg Bovino and assistant ICE director Marcos Charles, who will hold another news conference Saturday morning, are fighting back against what they call a “false narrative about what we do and who we are and who we arrest.”
Two women detained by ICE say they helped an agent having a seizure while being transported to the Whipple federal building.
The BBC also have the clear number two spot in terms of TV adaptations with 'I Claudius'. Perhaps they may even have the top 5.
Burnham - nothing?
https://x.com/David_J_Bier/status/2015089069953343817
Reports are that ICE also arrested witnesses.
Out of control thugs.
So on a scale of 1933 to 1936, where are we so far ?
https://www.startribune.com/detained-by-ice-two-women-became-first-responders-during-agents-seizure/601569667
... Amundson, a kindergarten teacher who has received CPR and first-aid training through school emergency planning, moved without hesitation once the cuffs came off. The agents stepped out of the vehicle, leaving the driver’s door open, the engine running and the keys inside. Weapons were still in reach...
... A commanding officer eventually approached them.
“We’re releasing you to your counsel and to your state representative,” the officer said, according to Amundson. “But you need to tell everybody that we treated you kindly.”
They were driven to the front of the Whipple Federal Building and released into their representative’s car.
What stayed with Amundson most, she said, was not the adrenaline of the moment but the realization that came while she was holding the agent’s head in her hands and keeping his airway open.
“I was hit so hard with the fact that this man would not do this for me,” she said.
Anyway that @mexicanpete is pissing me off too. The bastard!
It's a good yardstick for the quality of the writing and the drama.
Edit: Ah no - Royal Mail issue
NEW THREAD
Nobody appears to have mentioned Brideshead Revisited.
In movies, I thought Fukuyawa’s Jane Eyre was excellent, and I also really liked Campion’s Bright Star. Most are shite, especially these days.
To be honest I think he missed his chance when he didn't take the opportunity to run in a safe Labour seat back in the 2024 GE if he was that single mindedly personally ambitious to become the next Labour leader. I suspect the voters would not take kindly to a Labour candidate so clearly using a by-election in their constituency seat as a vehicle for their personal ambitions in this way in the current febrile UK political scene. Plus, it would be a hell of risk trying to return to Westminster as a challenger to Keir Starmer's leadership while Labour's polling is so dire and you could not rely on either him or the whole Labour party turning out in any real effort to help your campaign even if you managed to get selected locally.
I found it really telling that just weeks ago Reform were calling for all defecting MPs to trigger a by-election so they could win a mandate as a local MP representing their new party, and yet neither Robert Jenrick or Andrew Rosindell with the backing of the Reform leadership are now prepared to take that gamble so have left the voters in their constituencies without a voice about their defections until the next GE. A huge political mistake that I think will backfire on both of them at the next GE what ever party polling of Reform, but then I think that Robert Jenrick blew up his own personal political career when he defected in the way he did and doing the media rounds while focussing on his petty attempts to try to rescue his reputation and reclaim the political agenda to try to justify his actions this week as far more important global and domestic issues took precedence while he did this just amplified he how diminished he had become as result.