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  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,612
    Foxy said:

    Hilarious if Senegal save it!

    Errrrrr.... :lol:
  • That is the shittest penalty I have ever seen and I've see Thierry Henry/Robert Pires fuck up that penalty.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785
    Extra time could be spicy!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    How can they evict the Danish dog sled?
    They can’t even sort their own shit on ice out.


  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,092
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    CIA SADS/SF/PMCs kill or intern the government and take over the airport.

    Start flying in the occupying forces on C-17/C-5 from Dover AFB in Maine.
  • Did that just happen? Has someone put LSD in my Pepsi?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208
    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    About 930 miles, so not quite as far as London to Rome. No civilians appear to live within 50 miles of the US base.
  • ydoethur said:

    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.

    I've actually met Andrew twice at Westminster, on a personal level he's very polite and engaging, despite us not agreeing on much as Tories.

    (He and i share a similar trait when it comes to subtlety.)
    Erm....for the avoidance of doubt, TSE, I think you should make it clear which Andrew you are talking about here.
    Rosindell.
    Sorry, TSE, I had just been reading a post about that Mountbatten person and got confused.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,757
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    It would save Minneapolis if the 82nd Airborne are sent to Greenland.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785
    Cracking goal by Senegal!

    Justice is done.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    CIA SADS/SF/PMCs kill or intern the government and take over the airport.

    Start flying in the occupying forces on C-17/C-5 from Dover AFB in Maine.
    Thing is, the US will “win” any invasion of Greenland. The only metric that would count is how many US servicemen would die v how many Europeans would.

    Having no idea I imagine the US would have such superiority that it would be quick but what is the number of dead that make the US population ask “are we the badies?”
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208
    Trump forgot to get Bibi's permission before announcing his Gaza Board of Peace: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0y453yd90o
  • I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,541

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    There's a subtle Queen reference as well?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I think your puns are made in heaven. They always have the appropriate amount of innuendo. The miracle is that you keep coming up with them. It's a kind of magic how, whether we are discussing the news of the world or just a day at the races, you still deliver the works.
  • boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    To be fair he did have a wife.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I think your puns are made in heaven. They always have the appropriate amount of innuendo. The miracle is that you keep coming up with them. It's a kind of magic how, whether we are discussing the news of the world or just a day at the races, you still deliver the works.
    Yes usually we are the champions at squeezing in a music related pun.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,599
    Who?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,221

    Rosindell’s move to Reform is kind of a non-story.

    Although I see he was “Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs”, which must say something about the paucity of talent on the Tory benches, given he’s borderline mentally sub-normal.

    You actually made me chuckle at home out loud reading that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Hard to feel that sorry for consequences to one's actions.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,221

    There are now 7 Reform UK MPs, two more than they won in the election and now equalling Sinn Fein in size. They've gained 4 (3 defections + 1 by-election win), but lost 2.

    Over half (4) were previously Conservative Party MPs. 5/7 previously held elected positions as Conservatives (Pochin was a Conservative councillor and Westminster candidate). All 7 were previously members of the Conservative Party. (The only Reform MP who had not previously been a member of the Conservative Party was James McMurdock).

    Let's see if they're still all there by the time of the next election.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075

    boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    To be fair he did have a wife.
    Ah the old “I have a wife” defence . Did t work for butch Oscar.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,497

    boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    To be fair he did have a wife.
    I thought Mary was his girlfriend rather than his wife?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,290
    Foxy said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I think your puns are made in heaven. They always have the appropriate amount of innuendo. The miracle is that you keep coming up with them. It's a kind of magic how, whether we are discussing the news of the world or just a day at the races, you still deliver the works.
    Yes usually we are the champions at squeezing in a music related pun.
    We all prefer 80's music references to a Night at the Opera.
  • boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    To be fair he did have a wife.
    I thought Mary was his girlfriend rather than his wife?
    Ah yes, I was getting confused as he had described her as his wife but they were never married.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208

    There are now 7 Reform UK MPs, two more than they won in the election and now equalling Sinn Fein in size. They've gained 4 (3 defections + 1 by-election win), but lost 2.

    Over half (4) were previously Conservative Party MPs. 5/7 previously held elected positions as Conservatives (Pochin was a Conservative councillor and Westminster candidate). All 7 were previously members of the Conservative Party. (The only Reform MP who had not previously been a member of the Conservative Party was James McMurdock).

    Let's see if they're still all there by the time of the next election.
    Reform UK hasn't lost a significant member for... let me count... 6 months!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514
    edited January 18
    CatMan said:

    CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Dodgy penalty to decide AFCON.

    Senegal players walking off the pitch before the penalty is taken.
    This is insane!
    What happens if they refuse to play any further
    I don't know, but if I had to guess, Morocco will be given the win, and Senegal a massive fine and maybe ban?
    If you walk off you should be disqualified anyway, even if you later come back.

    Like when Pakistan forfeited a match against England after refusing to come out to play (IIRC the ICC tried to smooth the waters over that, but I hope the decision stands).
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208
    edited January 18
    Republicans falling out of love with Twitter: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/01/18/conservatives-x-twitter-musk-00734196

    "Increasingly, some big names on the right are coming to worry that X’s algorithm — which elevates short-form video and audio clips over links to articles or essays — is undermining the right’s political cohesion by promoting the most outlandish and conspiracy-minded members of Trump’s coalition."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,599

    James Heale
    @JAHeale

    Tory source: "Reform are welcome to him.“

    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012994049649586442

  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,130
    boulay said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    CIA SADS/SF/PMCs kill or intern the government and take over the airport.

    Start flying in the occupying forces on C-17/C-5 from Dover AFB in Maine.
    Thing is, the US will “win” any invasion of Greenland. The only metric that would count is how many US servicemen would die v how many Europeans would.

    Having no idea I imagine the US would have such superiority that it would be quick but what is the number of dead that make the US population ask “are we the badies?”
    The invasion of Suez in 1956 was well underway when it came to a shuddering halt after America effectively cut the credit line to the UK.

    The bloodbath we can expect in the US markets later on thus week will just be a taster for similar pressure on the US... the massive US debt mountain coukd come down in the sort of avalanche that knocked Liz Truss out of office. Trump may not be ousted, but he will be crippled.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,021

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder what Stuartinromford makes of this.

    1 Blimey.

    2 Apologies to anyone who listened to me saying that Rozzer was a loyal Conservative in a way that Jenrick wasn't.

    3 Eagles is right about his people skills; from the point of view of being seen around the place, and available for weddings and bar mitzvahs, he's the best. I doubt there are many public buildings in Romford that don't have a portrait of the monarch, generously presented by the local MP.

    4 But despite being an MP since 2001, I don't think he was ever a minister. Admittedly, he was unavailable in the mad bit of summer 2022 when BoJo was desperate for anyone to serve, but it's still indicative of his skillset.

    5 The Chagos thing has to be nonsense, doesn't it? Not that he doesn't believe in their cause, but it surely isn't a reason to jump to Reform now.

    6 I wonder how his old party will respond.

    7 So much for the really careful vetting that el Nige promised us.

    8 The council elections for Havering (3.5 months away) will presumably be even more of a shitshow than they were going to be already. (One of our local Conservative councillors, talented and going places but deselected for insufficient loyalty to the Andrissimo, recently changed his social media pic to the Traitors logo.)

    9 Did I say blimey?
    I'm surprised because his minions were still out and about working hard for him right before Christmas. I'm not surprised because there has been hardly a fag paper of difference between him and Farage's party (under whatever branding).

    He definitely fits the liar or crook or both mould of the other Reform MPs (I have heard some interesting stories from recent members of the Romford Conservative Association). He is personally very polite but also crashingly dull with no sense of humour at all. He adds nothing to them except anther failed Tory, except in his case nobody gas ever trusted him to run anything so I suppose you can't really accuse him of failure.

    It's a shame the news broke when it did because I was with a Conservative councillor until about 5 minutes before, who clearly didn't know about it either because we were discussing local politics! I imagine the party will be in disarray locally as it was very much his private fiefdom, purged of anyone except Rosindell loyalists. Presumably they will also all now join Reform, and half of the current Reform members will leave.

    On the positive side for the Conservatives it does open the possibility that I might vote Tory in a GE for the first time ever, if they select a sensible candidate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785

    Republicans falling out of love with Twitter: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/01/18/conservatives-x-twitter-musk-00734196

    "Increasingly, some big names on the right are coming to worry that X’s algorithm — which elevates short-form video and audio clips over links to articles or essays — is undermining the right’s political cohesion by promoting the most outlandish and conspiracy-minded members of Trump’s coalition."

    "Breitbart editor Raheem Kassam bleakly proclaimed that he was deleting the app from his phone.

    “X is a post-apocalyptic cesspool of bots, pedophilia and political illiteracy,” Kassam wrote in a text message when asked about his decision. “I deleted it from my phone because it was making me dumber.”"

    But it feels like home to @Leon
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,695
    @alexwickham

    EXCLUSIVE: Tony Blair has distanced himself from Trump’s demand that countries pay $1 billion to join his Board of Peace full-time — and Canada won’t pay the money

    Blair was appointed to the ‘executive board’ for the project but he does not endorse Trump’s request for payment

    His spokesperson says the fee and membership are nothing to do with him and questions on it are for the Trump administration

    We can also reveal Canada will refuse to pay the fee. Mark Carney says specifics will have to be discussed

    These are clear signs that Trump’s Board of Peace is already struggling to maintain the support of US allies and partners following the remarkable demand for money

    Some countries will likely refuse to join the Board as a result of Trump’s terms, people familiar with the matter said

    Others may agree in principle to joining but decline to pay the fee for permanent membership, they added. They would then either seek to negotiate it away or quit the board if Trump insists on the money

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2012932137427595477?s=20
  • kle4 said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Hard to feel that sorry for consequences to one's actions.
    About 25 years ago for a few weeks I thought my relationship with my parents was irretrievably broken down thanks to my decision to tell them about my 'lifestyle choices', it was an utterly shit few weeks for me and them.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,394


    James Heale
    @JAHeale

    Tory source: "Reform are welcome to him.“

    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012994049649586442

    One might say, a flick of the wrist.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,092


    James Heale
    @JAHeale

    Tory source: "Reform are welcome to him.“

    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012994049649586442

    The tories are like those mad women who pretend they are glad to get chucked on Facebook.

    Jus me an the kids now. Wuz r better of w/o him. xxx
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208
    Scott_xP said:

    @alexwickham

    EXCLUSIVE: Tony Blair has distanced himself from Trump’s demand that countries pay $1 billion to join his Board of Peace full-time — and Canada won’t pay the money

    Blair was appointed to the ‘executive board’ for the project but he does not endorse Trump’s request for payment

    His spokesperson says the fee and membership are nothing to do with him and questions on it are for the Trump administration

    We can also reveal Canada will refuse to pay the fee. Mark Carney says specifics will have to be discussed

    These are clear signs that Trump’s Board of Peace is already struggling to maintain the support of US allies and partners following the remarkable demand for money

    Some countries will likely refuse to join the Board as a result of Trump’s terms, people familiar with the matter said

    Others may agree in principle to joining but decline to pay the fee for permanent membership, they added. They would then either seek to negotiate it away or quit the board if Trump insists on the money

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2012932137427595477?s=20

    Is Trump ignorant of international diplomacy and greedily trying to increase his personal wealth, or is it 4-dimensional chess? Who can tell?
  • PJH said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder what Stuartinromford makes of this.

    1 Blimey.

    2 Apologies to anyone who listened to me saying that Rozzer was a loyal Conservative in a way that Jenrick wasn't.

    3 Eagles is right about his people skills; from the point of view of being seen around the place, and available for weddings and bar mitzvahs, he's the best. I doubt there are many public buildings in Romford that don't have a portrait of the monarch, generously presented by the local MP.

    4 But despite being an MP since 2001, I don't think he was ever a minister. Admittedly, he was unavailable in the mad bit of summer 2022 when BoJo was desperate for anyone to serve, but it's still indicative of his skillset.

    5 The Chagos thing has to be nonsense, doesn't it? Not that he doesn't believe in their cause, but it surely isn't a reason to jump to Reform now.

    6 I wonder how his old party will respond.

    7 So much for the really careful vetting that el Nige promised us.

    8 The council elections for Havering (3.5 months away) will presumably be even more of a shitshow than they were going to be already. (One of our local Conservative councillors, talented and going places but deselected for insufficient loyalty to the Andrissimo, recently changed his social media pic to the Traitors logo.)

    9 Did I say blimey?
    I'm surprised because his minions were still out and about working hard for him right before Christmas. I'm not surprised because there has been hardly a fag paper of difference between him and Farage's party (under whatever branding).

    He definitely fits the liar or crook or both mould of the other Reform MPs (I have heard some interesting stories from recent members of the Romford Conservative Association). He is personally very polite but also crashingly dull with no sense of humour at all. He adds nothing to them except anther failed Tory, except in his case nobody gas ever trusted him to run anything so I suppose you can't really accuse him of failure.

    It's a shame the news broke when it did because I was with a Conservative councillor until about 5 minutes before, who clearly didn't know about it either because we were discussing local politics! I imagine the party will be in disarray locally as it was very much his private fiefdom, purged of anyone except Rosindell loyalists. Presumably they will also all now join Reform, and half of the current Reform members will leave.

    On the positive side for the Conservatives it does open the possibility that I might vote Tory in a GE for the first time ever, if they select a sensible candidate.
    All this does is cement Kemi's position and I expect her now to lead into the next GE
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,284

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    Queen, you say? In a thread that's meant to be about the MP for Romford?


  • Foxy said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I think your puns are made in heaven. They always have the appropriate amount of innuendo. The miracle is that you keep coming up with them. It's a kind of magic how, whether we are discussing the news of the world or just a day at the races, you still deliver the works.
    Yes usually we are the champions at squeezing in a music related pun.
    We all prefer 80's music references to a Night at the Opera.
    Each time someone posts a Queen pun, they Save Me the trouble.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,757

    This Is Why 9 Councils Are Bankrupt

    Nine UK councils have declared effective bankruptcy since 2018. Over £5 billion in debt. And when I followed the money, I found a pattern: the same companies kept getting paid while your local services collapsed.
    One man allegedly bought a private jet, a country estate, and a yacht — all with council tax money. A single IT project went from £19 million to £216 million. Treasury advisers took kickbacks to sell councils toxic loans. And the consultants investigating these failures? Often the same firms that helped create them.
    This is the very profitable business of bankrupting UK councils.

    The nine councils that declared bankruptcy: Northamptonshire (2018), Croydon (2020, 2021, 2022), Slough (2021), Thurrock (2022), Woking (2023), Birmingham (2023), Nottingham (2023).
    Combined debt: Over £5 billion
    Council jobs lost since 2012: 600,000+
    Councils expecting bankruptcy in next 5 years: 50%

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FUD-ecHFE

    A surprisingly well-presented (aside from the spelling) 20-minute video.

    That's a good video.

    To me, the key cause is the inability of Councils to employ adequate staff to manage contracts.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,767

    Republicans falling out of love with Twitter: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/01/18/conservatives-x-twitter-musk-00734196

    "Increasingly, some big names on the right are coming to worry that X’s algorithm — which elevates short-form video and audio clips over links to articles or essays — is undermining the right’s political cohesion by promoting the most outlandish and conspiracy-minded members of Trump’s coalition."

    MAGA? We said at the time of the presidential election that Trump's coalition looked unstable. Trump himself may have been captured away from isolationist, Epstein-angered MAGA.

    One suspects it is also conservative Americans rather than the Online Safety Act that led to Elon Musk's change of heart on AI-assisted sexual imagery.
  • Foxy said:

    Republicans falling out of love with Twitter: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/01/18/conservatives-x-twitter-musk-00734196

    "Increasingly, some big names on the right are coming to worry that X’s algorithm — which elevates short-form video and audio clips over links to articles or essays — is undermining the right’s political cohesion by promoting the most outlandish and conspiracy-minded members of Trump’s coalition."

    "Breitbart editor Raheem Kassam bleakly proclaimed that he was deleting the app from his phone.

    “X is a post-apocalyptic cesspool of bots, pedophilia and political illiteracy,” Kassam wrote in a text message when asked about his decision. “I deleted it from my phone because it was making me dumber.”"

    But it feels like home to @Leon
    All those little dopamine hits
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785
    Senegal get the trophy.

    AFCON is brilliant but bonkers entertainment.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,695
    @gavreilly.com‬

    • Monday and Tuesday: meetings of Eurozone and EU finance ministers

    • Tuesday and Wednesday: Donald Trump and five U.S. cabinet members in Davos, where he’ll meet Ursula Von Der Leyen among others

    • Thursday: EU leaders meet to discuss deploying the ‘trade bazooka’ and outright trade war with USA
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,767
    MattW said:

    This Is Why 9 Councils Are Bankrupt

    Nine UK councils have declared effective bankruptcy since 2018. Over £5 billion in debt. And when I followed the money, I found a pattern: the same companies kept getting paid while your local services collapsed.
    One man allegedly bought a private jet, a country estate, and a yacht — all with council tax money. A single IT project went from £19 million to £216 million. Treasury advisers took kickbacks to sell councils toxic loans. And the consultants investigating these failures? Often the same firms that helped create them.
    This is the very profitable business of bankrupting UK councils.

    The nine councils that declared bankruptcy: Northamptonshire (2018), Croydon (2020, 2021, 2022), Slough (2021), Thurrock (2022), Woking (2023), Birmingham (2023), Nottingham (2023).
    Combined debt: Over £5 billion
    Council jobs lost since 2012: 600,000+
    Councils expecting bankruptcy in next 5 years: 50%

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FUD-ecHFE

    A surprisingly well-presented (aside from the spelling) 20-minute video.

    That's a good video.

    To me, the key cause is the inability of Councils to employ adequate staff to manage contracts.
    And although it is not mentioned, one cannot help but suspect this is the prime motivation for merging local authorities (and cancelling elections) – smear out debts rather than advance democracy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514

    This Is Why 9 Councils Are Bankrupt

    Nine UK councils have declared effective bankruptcy since 2018. Over £5 billion in debt. And when I followed the money, I found a pattern: the same companies kept getting paid while your local services collapsed.
    One man allegedly bought a private jet, a country estate, and a yacht — all with council tax money. A single IT project went from £19 million to £216 million. Treasury advisers took kickbacks to sell councils toxic loans. And the consultants investigating these failures? Often the same firms that helped create them.
    This is the very profitable business of bankrupting UK councils.

    The nine councils that declared bankruptcy: Northamptonshire (2018), Croydon (2020, 2021, 2022), Slough (2021), Thurrock (2022), Woking (2023), Birmingham (2023), Nottingham (2023).
    Combined debt: Over £5 billion
    Council jobs lost since 2012: 600,000+
    Councils expecting bankruptcy in next 5 years: 50%

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FUD-ecHFE

    A surprisingly well-presented (aside from the spelling) 20-minute video.

    It's surprising a lot more have not gone bankrupt in the last few years. No idea what the government is planning to do with high needs block deficits.

    The easy cuts are long gone, but the public perception is everyone in the sector is useless, and you could also get other people to do it better for half the money

    For instance, you'll often still have people saying how if cllr expenses were less the council could do X - when whatever your feelings on how much cllrs should get (it varies in England), it's not a large amount of the council budgets.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,757
    MattW said:

    This Is Why 9 Councils Are Bankrupt

    Nine UK councils have declared effective bankruptcy since 2018. Over £5 billion in debt. And when I followed the money, I found a pattern: the same companies kept getting paid while your local services collapsed.
    One man allegedly bought a private jet, a country estate, and a yacht — all with council tax money. A single IT project went from £19 million to £216 million. Treasury advisers took kickbacks to sell councils toxic loans. And the consultants investigating these failures? Often the same firms that helped create them.
    This is the very profitable business of bankrupting UK councils.

    The nine councils that declared bankruptcy: Northamptonshire (2018), Croydon (2020, 2021, 2022), Slough (2021), Thurrock (2022), Woking (2023), Birmingham (2023), Nottingham (2023).
    Combined debt: Over £5 billion
    Council jobs lost since 2012: 600,000+
    Councils expecting bankruptcy in next 5 years: 50%

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FUD-ecHFE

    A surprisingly well-presented (aside from the spelling) 20-minute video.

    That's a good video.

    To me, the key cause is the inability of Councils to employ adequate staff to manage contracts.
    I'm not so sure about some of the others on the channel, though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514

    MattW said:

    This Is Why 9 Councils Are Bankrupt

    Nine UK councils have declared effective bankruptcy since 2018. Over £5 billion in debt. And when I followed the money, I found a pattern: the same companies kept getting paid while your local services collapsed.
    One man allegedly bought a private jet, a country estate, and a yacht — all with council tax money. A single IT project went from £19 million to £216 million. Treasury advisers took kickbacks to sell councils toxic loans. And the consultants investigating these failures? Often the same firms that helped create them.
    This is the very profitable business of bankrupting UK councils.

    The nine councils that declared bankruptcy: Northamptonshire (2018), Croydon (2020, 2021, 2022), Slough (2021), Thurrock (2022), Woking (2023), Birmingham (2023), Nottingham (2023).
    Combined debt: Over £5 billion
    Council jobs lost since 2012: 600,000+
    Councils expecting bankruptcy in next 5 years: 50%

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FUD-ecHFE

    A surprisingly well-presented (aside from the spelling) 20-minute video.

    That's a good video.

    To me, the key cause is the inability of Councils to employ adequate staff to manage contracts.
    And although it is not mentioned, one cannot help but suspect this is the prime motivation for merging local authorities (and cancelling elections) – smear out debts rather than advance democracy.
    Pretty sure the economic case has been advanced for it as a primary factor (with a counter that it won't save as much as predicted), albeit not in that specific way.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514
    Dura_Ace said:


    James Heale
    @JAHeale

    Tory source: "Reform are welcome to him.“

    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012994049649586442

    The tories are like those mad women who pretend they are glad to get chucked on Facebook.

    Jus me an the kids now. Wuz r better of w/o him. xxx
    There's not much else they can say in such a situation to be honest. Saying you're sorry to see someone go looks weak, so you go dismissive instead.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,767
    Scott_xP said:

    @alexwickham

    EXCLUSIVE: Tony Blair has distanced himself from Trump’s demand that countries pay $1 billion to join his Board of Peace full-time — and Canada won’t pay the money

    Blair was appointed to the ‘executive board’ for the project but he does not endorse Trump’s request for payment

    His spokesperson says the fee and membership are nothing to do with him and questions on it are for the Trump administration

    We can also reveal Canada will refuse to pay the fee. Mark Carney says specifics will have to be discussed

    These are clear signs that Trump’s Board of Peace is already struggling to maintain the support of US allies and partners following the remarkable demand for money

    Some countries will likely refuse to join the Board as a result of Trump’s terms, people familiar with the matter said

    Others may agree in principle to joining but decline to pay the fee for permanent membership, they added. They would then either seek to negotiate it away or quit the board if Trump insists on the money

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2012932137427595477?s=20

    Israel is not a happy bunny either:-

    Israel pushes back on Trump's picks for executives on Gaza 'Board of Peace'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0y453yd90o
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,541
    boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    Freddie was gay?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,362

    boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    To be fair he did have a wife.
    I thought Mary was his girlfriend rather than his wife?
    Ah yes, I was getting confused as he had described her as his wife but they were never married.
    He also had a fling with Barbara Valentin.
  • Hah.

    “Now I really can’t wait for Scotland v Morocco at the World Cup,” writes Simon McMahon. “A football mad, expectant nation with a sense of burning injustice fuelled by years of hurt and national embarrassment on the big stage. Plus Morocco. It’ll be epic.”
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,599

    InteractivePolls
    @IAPolls2022

    CBS POLL: Do you approve or disapprove of US using military force to take Greenland?

    🟢 Approve: 14%
    🟤 Disapprove: 86%

    https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/2012891694996308117
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,362

    Foxy said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I think your puns are made in heaven. They always have the appropriate amount of innuendo. The miracle is that you keep coming up with them. It's a kind of magic how, whether we are discussing the news of the world or just a day at the races, you still deliver the works.
    Yes usually we are the champions at squeezing in a music related pun.
    We all prefer 80's music references to a Night at the Opera.
    Each time someone posts a Queen pun, they Save Me the trouble.
    You'll have to Face It Alone.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514
    edited January 18
    Looking at various twitter comments from (apparently) americans who are in favour of acquiring Greenland, a surprising number are going with a strategy of pretending that no-one had brought up the prospect of using the military, as if a very deliberate not ruling it out means it has not been threatened.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,284
    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    James Heale
    @JAHeale

    Tory source: "Reform are welcome to him.“

    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012994049649586442

    The tories are like those mad women who pretend they are glad to get chucked on Facebook.

    Jus me an the kids now. Wuz r better of w/o him. xxx
    There's not much else they can say in such a situation to be honest. Saying you're sorry to see someone go looks weak, so you go dismissive instead.
    Besides, in this case it's unambiguously true. The mystery is why CCHQ didn't lean on Romford incredibly hard to find a different candidate in 2024.

    It's possible that Reform recognise this, which is why it's come out on Sunday evening without a press conference.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075
    edited January 18

    boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    Freddie was gay?
    I don’t think he could have been so ridiculously marvellous at that time if he wasn’t.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,757
    viewcode said:

    ydoethur said:

    I think it's a mistake by Rosindell. I don't think Farage's deadline would actually have held.

    I think it's a much bigger mistake by Farage. His small political grouping is a right mix of oddballs and egomaniacs, with himself as both.
    I am amazed by the rapidity by which people described as loyal, hard-working sensible centrist cabinet members whilst in the Conservative Party instantly become oddball and egomaniac extremists fit only for rubbish the instant they defect to Reform. 'Tis a mystery, I tell you.
    I think not a few have gone on a journey to Bonkers.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,362

    boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    Freddie was gay?
    Bisexual.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:


    James Heale
    @JAHeale

    Tory source: "Reform are welcome to him.“

    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012994049649586442

    The tories are like those mad women who pretend they are glad to get chucked on Facebook.

    Jus me an the kids now. Wuz r better of w/o him. xxx
    There's not much else they can say in such a situation to be honest. Saying you're sorry to see someone go looks weak, so you go dismissive instead.
    Besides, in this case it's unambiguously true. The mystery is why CCHQ didn't lean on Romford incredibly hard to find a different candidate in 2024.
    .
    Because he'd have jumped ship to Reform?

    That, of course, is one problem with the 'better inside the tent pissing out' strategy - in addition to not being very good with the direction of the flow even when inside, they can end up just heading out for a piss anyway.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,336

    Hah.

    “Now I really can’t wait for Scotland v Morocco at the World Cup,” writes Simon McMahon. “A football mad, expectant nation with a sense of burning injustice fuelled by years of hurt and national embarrassment on the big stage. Plus Morocco. It’ll be epic.”

    That refereeing performance, with the favourites in the final in front of a home crowd reminded me of a typical Rangers or Celtic v a non Glasgow team in a Scottish Cup Final, except that the Scottish referee would never allow the non Glasgow team to win.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,757
    edited January 18

    MattW said:

    This Is Why 9 Councils Are Bankrupt

    Nine UK councils have declared effective bankruptcy since 2018. Over £5 billion in debt. And when I followed the money, I found a pattern: the same companies kept getting paid while your local services collapsed.
    One man allegedly bought a private jet, a country estate, and a yacht — all with council tax money. A single IT project went from £19 million to £216 million. Treasury advisers took kickbacks to sell councils toxic loans. And the consultants investigating these failures? Often the same firms that helped create them.
    This is the very profitable business of bankrupting UK councils.

    The nine councils that declared bankruptcy: Northamptonshire (2018), Croydon (2020, 2021, 2022), Slough (2021), Thurrock (2022), Woking (2023), Birmingham (2023), Nottingham (2023).
    Combined debt: Over £5 billion
    Council jobs lost since 2012: 600,000+
    Councils expecting bankruptcy in next 5 years: 50%

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FUD-ecHFE

    A surprisingly well-presented (aside from the spelling) 20-minute video.

    That's a good video.

    To me, the key cause is the inability of Councils to employ adequate staff to manage contracts.
    And although it is not mentioned, one cannot help but suspect this is the prime motivation for merging local authorities (and cancelling elections); smear out debts rather than advance democracy.
    Over the last 12-15 year we have seen a process of merging services across Councils for anyone who is watching; my own have merged their Planning Dept with a neighbour, and three in London (H&F and ...) iirc have merged some services, I have also seen Rights of Way merged into highways which is a recipe for "sod the publci footpaths", and so on.

    Wider full mergers could be a logical next step for some services, if done carefully.

    But I expect it will get skimped, then scalped, rather than receive investment.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,362
    "In September 2010, Rosindell sponsored the first Erotica event to be held in the Houses of Parliament. Rosindell maintained that he was promoting the hosts, a Romford-based business, as was his duty as the constituency MP.[18]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Rosindell
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514

    "In September 2010, Rosindell sponsored the first Erotica event to be held in the Houses of Parliament. Rosindell maintained that he was promoting the hosts, a Romford-based business, as was his duty as the constituency MP.[18]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Rosindell

    So he's not a snob at least.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,290

    boulay said:

    I am disappointed nobody spotted the subtle Queen music reference in the headline.

    I’m also amazed that nobody saw that Freddy was gay. Amazingly you can miss obvious things.
    Freddie was gay?
    Freddie Mercury - Killer Queen

    Liz Truss - Queen Killer
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,411
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    CIA SADS/SF/PMCs kill or intern the government and take over the airport.

    Start flying in the occupying forces on C-17/C-5 from Dover AFB in Maine.
    That's the takeover.
    What dues the occupation look like ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,362
    Dura_Ace said:


    James Heale
    @JAHeale

    Tory source: "Reform are welcome to him.“

    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012994049649586442

    The tories are like those mad women who pretend they are glad to get chucked on Facebook.

    Jus me an the kids now. Wuz r better of w/o him. xxx
    U Ok hun?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    CIA SADS/SF/PMCs kill or intern the government and take over the airport.

    Start flying in the occupying forces on C-17/C-5 from Dover AFB in Maine.
    That's the takeover.
    What dues the occupation look like ?
    Wasn’t that the whole Russian plan for Ukraine?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,290
    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    CIA SADS/SF/PMCs kill or intern the government and take over the airport.

    Start flying in the occupying forces on C-17/C-5 from Dover AFB in Maine.
    That's the takeover.
    What dues the occupation look like ?
    Americans never leave the base.

    10km cordon around it - anybody within that can be shot, in an ICE manner.

    The locals can otherwise get on with their lives in a grumpy way, making giant obscene snowmen of Trump shagging Hegseth but otherwise impotent.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075

    Nigelb said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    CIA SADS/SF/PMCs kill or intern the government and take over the airport.

    Start flying in the occupying forces on C-17/C-5 from Dover AFB in Maine.
    That's the takeover.
    What dues the occupation look like ?
    Americans never leave the base.

    10km cordon around it - anybody within that can be shot, in an ICE manner.

    The locals can otherwise get on with their lives in a grumpy way, making giant obscene snowmen of Trump shagging Hegseth but otherwise impotent.
    The funny thing is that the Americans have absolutely no idea about the losses European countries have taken through history. They think the US civil war was bad but they have no understanding of the devastation Europehas taken as “normal” from the Hundred Years’ War, thirty years war, war of the roses, English civil war, seven years war, Napoleonic wars, WW1 and 2 pre US involvement.

    We have had a remarkably peaceful period but there is a deep seated culture in Europe that accepts war and brutality that the US has very little concept of.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,599
    Church and State latest:




    U.S. Department of Labor
    @USDOL

    250 Years of One Nation Under God.

    Happy Sunday, America.

    ‘A Church Picnic’ —Arthur Sarnoff


    https://x.com/USDOL/status/2012970682846466148
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,709
    I predict Rosindell will be last of this crop of Tory MP defections. The natural, and obvious, finale.

    Whether he’s the last ever depends on polling and just how disastrous the May locals are.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,722
    I see we're onto the "who??" end of Tory defections to Reform. And I'm saying that as someone who posts on a site called "politicalbetting".

    If announcing non-entities they may be better off doing a group at once so the volume makes people notice.

    While they're at it perhaps clarify their position on Trump and tariffs.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075
    MelonB said:

    I predict Rosindell will be last of this crop of Tory MP defections. The natural, and obvious, finale.

    Whether he’s the last ever depends on polling and just how disastrous the May locals are.

    Surely now is for Cruella to shit or get off the pot?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,797

    PJH said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder what Stuartinromford makes of this.

    1 Blimey.

    2 Apologies to anyone who listened to me saying that Rozzer was a loyal Conservative in a way that Jenrick wasn't.

    3 Eagles is right about his people skills; from the point of view of being seen around the place, and available for weddings and bar mitzvahs, he's the best. I doubt there are many public buildings in Romford that don't have a portrait of the monarch, generously presented by the local MP.

    4 But despite being an MP since 2001, I don't think he was ever a minister. Admittedly, he was unavailable in the mad bit of summer 2022 when BoJo was desperate for anyone to serve, but it's still indicative of his skillset.

    5 The Chagos thing has to be nonsense, doesn't it? Not that he doesn't believe in their cause, but it surely isn't a reason to jump to Reform now.

    6 I wonder how his old party will respond.

    7 So much for the really careful vetting that el Nige promised us.

    8 The council elections for Havering (3.5 months away) will presumably be even more of a shitshow than they were going to be already. (One of our local Conservative councillors, talented and going places but deselected for insufficient loyalty to the Andrissimo, recently changed his social media pic to the Traitors logo.)

    9 Did I say blimey?
    I'm surprised because his minions were still out and about working hard for him right before Christmas. I'm not surprised because there has been hardly a fag paper of difference between him and Farage's party (under whatever branding).

    He definitely fits the liar or crook or both mould of the other Reform MPs (I have heard some interesting stories from recent members of the Romford Conservative Association). He is personally very polite but also crashingly dull with no sense of humour at all. He adds nothing to them except anther failed Tory, except in his case nobody gas ever trusted him to run anything so I suppose you can't really accuse him of failure.

    It's a shame the news broke when it did because I was with a Conservative councillor until about 5 minutes before, who clearly didn't know about it either because we were discussing local politics! I imagine the party will be in disarray locally as it was very much his private fiefdom, purged of anyone except Rosindell loyalists. Presumably they will also all now join Reform, and half of the current Reform members will leave.

    On the positive side for the Conservatives it does open the possibility that I might vote Tory in a GE for the first time ever, if they select a sensible candidate.
    All this does is cement Kemi's position and I expect her now to lead into the next GE
    A little counter intuitive!! If she loses many more she she be able to hold her shadow cabinet meetings in a taxi.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,695
    @amandaakass

    The Prime Minister is set to give a press conference tomorrow morning in Downing Street following the frantic diplomatic activity of the past 24 hours in response to Donald Trump’s extraordinary threats to impose tariffs on the UK and other European allies over Greenland
    @SkyNews
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,038
    edited January 18
    Roger said:

    PJH said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder what Stuartinromford makes of this.

    1 Blimey.

    2 Apologies to anyone who listened to me saying that Rozzer was a loyal Conservative in a way that Jenrick wasn't.

    3 Eagles is right about his people skills; from the point of view of being seen around the place, and available for weddings and bar mitzvahs, he's the best. I doubt there are many public buildings in Romford that don't have a portrait of the monarch, generously presented by the local MP.

    4 But despite being an MP since 2001, I don't think he was ever a minister. Admittedly, he was unavailable in the mad bit of summer 2022 when BoJo was desperate for anyone to serve, but it's still indicative of his skillset.

    5 The Chagos thing has to be nonsense, doesn't it? Not that he doesn't believe in their cause, but it surely isn't a reason to jump to Reform now.

    6 I wonder how his old party will respond.

    7 So much for the really careful vetting that el Nige promised us.

    8 The council elections for Havering (3.5 months away) will presumably be even more of a shitshow than they were going to be already. (One of our local Conservative councillors, talented and going places but deselected for insufficient loyalty to the Andrissimo, recently changed his social media pic to the Traitors logo.)

    9 Did I say blimey?
    I'm surprised because his minions were still out and about working hard for him right before Christmas. I'm not surprised because there has been hardly a fag paper of difference between him and Farage's party (under whatever branding).

    He definitely fits the liar or crook or both mould of the other Reform MPs (I have heard some interesting stories from recent members of the Romford Conservative Association). He is personally very polite but also crashingly dull with no sense of humour at all. He adds nothing to them except anther failed Tory, except in his case nobody gas ever trusted him to run anything so I suppose you can't really accuse him of failure.

    It's a shame the news broke when it did because I was with a Conservative councillor until about 5 minutes before, who clearly didn't know about it either because we were discussing local politics! I imagine the party will be in disarray locally as it was very much his private fiefdom, purged of anyone except Rosindell loyalists. Presumably they will also all now join Reform, and half of the current Reform members will leave.

    On the positive side for the Conservatives it does open the possibility that I might vote Tory in a GE for the first time ever, if they select a sensible candidate.
    All this does is cement Kemi's position and I expect her now to lead into the next GE
    A little counter intuitive!! If she loses many more she she be able to hold her shadow cabinet meetings in a taxi.
    She has only lost 1 Shadow Cabinet member so far, Jenrick and he slagged off virtually all his old Shadow Cabinet colleagues in the process especially Stride and even Patel so they will remain loyal to Kemi
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,709
    Scott_xP said:

    @amandaakass

    The Prime Minister is set to give a press conference tomorrow morning in Downing Street following the frantic diplomatic activity of the past 24 hours in response to Donald Trump’s extraordinary threats to impose tariffs on the UK and other European allies over Greenland
    @SkyNews

    Anything less than a Love Actually moment and the nation will be sorely disappointed.
  • kle4 said:

    CatMan said:

    CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Dodgy penalty to decide AFCON.

    Senegal players walking off the pitch before the penalty is taken.
    This is insane!
    What happens if they refuse to play any further
    I don't know, but if I had to guess, Morocco will be given the win, and Senegal a massive fine and maybe ban?
    If you walk off you should be disqualified anyway, even if you later come back.

    Like when Pakistan forfeited a match against England after refusing to come out to play (IIRC the ICC tried to smooth the waters over that, but I hope the decision stands).
    It is one of the less well known laws of the game that you can be booked for leaving or re-entering the field of play without the referee's permission. The ref would therefore have been within his rights to caution every Senegal player who left the field, and again every one that sauntered back onto the pitch. This would have led to most of them being dismissed on the second caution. Once four or more had been sent off, the match would have been abandoned because you cannot continue a game where one side has less than eight players on the field.

    Now that would have been fun!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,693
    MelonB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @amandaakass

    The Prime Minister is set to give a press conference tomorrow morning in Downing Street following the frantic diplomatic activity of the past 24 hours in response to Donald Trump’s extraordinary threats to impose tariffs on the UK and other European allies over Greenland
    @SkyNews

    Anything less than a Love Actually moment and the nation will be sorely disappointed.
    Stand-ins having sex?
  • MelonB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @amandaakass

    The Prime Minister is set to give a press conference tomorrow morning in Downing Street following the frantic diplomatic activity of the past 24 hours in response to Donald Trump’s extraordinary threats to impose tariffs on the UK and other European allies over Greenland
    @SkyNews

    Anything less than a Love Actually moment and the nation will be sorely disappointed.
    Isn't it a fairly easy one for him?

    No nation can be blackmailed like this, and the EU certainly cannot submit to it, so the response has to be eff off Donald and do your worst. The consequences for world trade will be catastrophic, and that obviously impacts the US as much if not more than most countries.

    I cannot imagine DT does not blink at that point, but if he doesn't, c'est la vie.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,362
    edited January 18
    Scott_xP said:

    @amandaakass

    The Prime Minister is set to give a press conference tomorrow morning in Downing Street following the frantic diplomatic activity of the past 24 hours in response to Donald Trump’s extraordinary threats to impose tariffs on the UK and other European allies over Greenland
    @SkyNews

    "Please! I like America! Fancy schmancy! What a cinch! Go fly a kite! Cat got your tongue! Hill of beans! Karoline Leavitt, what a dish! Kristi Noem, nice gams!"
  • Smart51 said:

    Just 45 more defections until the Lib Dems become the official opposition.

    Fewer if any Tories go direct to the Lib Dems.

    Which if it ever looks like hitting that tipping point, is certainly possible.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,219
    To lose one MP to Reform in January can be considered unfortunate.

    To lose two is downright careless.

    And the Tories didn't have that many to begin with.
  • Roger said:

    PJH said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder what Stuartinromford makes of this.

    1 Blimey.

    2 Apologies to anyone who listened to me saying that Rozzer was a loyal Conservative in a way that Jenrick wasn't.

    3 Eagles is right about his people skills; from the point of view of being seen around the place, and available for weddings and bar mitzvahs, he's the best. I doubt there are many public buildings in Romford that don't have a portrait of the monarch, generously presented by the local MP.

    4 But despite being an MP since 2001, I don't think he was ever a minister. Admittedly, he was unavailable in the mad bit of summer 2022 when BoJo was desperate for anyone to serve, but it's still indicative of his skillset.

    5 The Chagos thing has to be nonsense, doesn't it? Not that he doesn't believe in their cause, but it surely isn't a reason to jump to Reform now.

    6 I wonder how his old party will respond.

    7 So much for the really careful vetting that el Nige promised us.

    8 The council elections for Havering (3.5 months away) will presumably be even more of a shitshow than they were going to be already. (One of our local Conservative councillors, talented and going places but deselected for insufficient loyalty to the Andrissimo, recently changed his social media pic to the Traitors logo.)

    9 Did I say blimey?
    I'm surprised because his minions were still out and about working hard for him right before Christmas. I'm not surprised because there has been hardly a fag paper of difference between him and Farage's party (under whatever branding).

    He definitely fits the liar or crook or both mould of the other Reform MPs (I have heard some interesting stories from recent members of the Romford Conservative Association). He is personally very polite but also crashingly dull with no sense of humour at all. He adds nothing to them except anther failed Tory, except in his case nobody gas ever trusted him to run anything so I suppose you can't really accuse him of failure.

    It's a shame the news broke when it did because I was with a Conservative councillor until about 5 minutes before, who clearly didn't know about it either because we were discussing local politics! I imagine the party will be in disarray locally as it was very much his private fiefdom, purged of anyone except Rosindell loyalists. Presumably they will also all now join Reform, and half of the current Reform members will leave.

    On the positive side for the Conservatives it does open the possibility that I might vote Tory in a GE for the first time ever, if they select a sensible candidate.
    All this does is cement Kemi's position and I expect her now to lead into the next GE
    A little counter intuitive!! If she loses many more she she be able to hold her shadow cabinet meetings in a taxi.
    She will lead the official opposition to the GE and so much better without Jenrick and others

    Actually Starmer has a much bigger problem and rumbles about Ed Davey not upto it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,599

    MelonB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @amandaakass

    The Prime Minister is set to give a press conference tomorrow morning in Downing Street following the frantic diplomatic activity of the past 24 hours in response to Donald Trump’s extraordinary threats to impose tariffs on the UK and other European allies over Greenland
    @SkyNews

    Anything less than a Love Actually moment and the nation will be sorely disappointed.
    Isn't it a fairly easy one for him?

    No nation can be blackmailed like this, and the EU certainly cannot submit to it, so the response has to be eff off Donald and do your worst. The consequences for world trade will be catastrophic, and that obviously impacts the US as much if not more than most countries.

    I cannot imagine DT does not blink at that point, but if he doesn't, c'est la vie.
    or,

    "Protect and Survive leaflets will be arriving in your post in the next few days. Please take the time to read and study them and pass on the information to your family. It is important at this very crucial time that we as a country are well prepared. This is not a time for panic. It is a time for cool heads and judicious preparation"

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,693
    boulay said:

    MelonB said:

    I predict Rosindell will be last of this crop of Tory MP defections. The natural, and obvious, finale.

    Whether he’s the last ever depends on polling and just how disastrous the May locals are.

    Surely now is for Cruella to shit or get off the pot?
    Sue Ella is even more Nazi than Farage. What sort of plot-lost happy to shed its voters party ever made her Home Secretary? 😞
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,599
    boulay said:

    MelonB said:

    I predict Rosindell will be last of this crop of Tory MP defections. The natural, and obvious, finale.

    Whether he’s the last ever depends on polling and just how disastrous the May locals are.

    Surely now is for Cruella to shit or get off the pot?
    Please, please, please make this happen.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,290

    Smart51 said:

    Just 45 more defections until the Lib Dems become the official opposition.

    Fewer if any Tories go direct to the Lib Dems.

    Which if it ever looks like hitting that tipping point, is certainly possible.
    Name me one Tory MP likely to defect to the LibDems.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,284

    MelonB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @amandaakass

    The Prime Minister is set to give a press conference tomorrow morning in Downing Street following the frantic diplomatic activity of the past 24 hours in response to Donald Trump’s extraordinary threats to impose tariffs on the UK and other European allies over Greenland
    @SkyNews

    Anything less than a Love Actually moment and the nation will be sorely disappointed.
    Stand-ins having sex?
    As long as it's not the Wedding Video Man scene, like Bozza pastiched in 2019.

    Like a lot of the film, the more you think about it, the less charming it gets. The moral basically being to not think about it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,411
    Dura_Ace said:


    James Heale
    @JAHeale

    Tory source: "Reform are welcome to him.“

    https://x.com/JAHeale/status/2012994049649586442

    The tories are like those mad women who pretend they are glad to get chucked on Facebook.

    Jus me an the kids now. Wuz r better of w/o him. xxx
    That, as with the Tory defections, is as likely to be true as not.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,599
    Haider.
    @slow_developer

    Computer scientist Judea Pearl:

    There are mathematical limits to LLMs that cannot be crossed by scaling alone

    LLMs don't discover world models from raw data; they merely summarize the interpretations humans have already written down

    "this path is not the way to get AGI"

    https://x.com/slow_developer/status/2012885184597958713
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,284
    edited January 18

    Smart51 said:

    Just 45 more defections until the Lib Dems become the official opposition.

    Fewer if any Tories go direct to the Lib Dems.

    Which if it ever looks like hitting that tipping point, is certainly possible.
    Name me one Tory MP likely to defect to the LibDems.
    Caroline Nokes
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,290

    Scott_xP said:

    @amandaakass

    The Prime Minister is set to give a press conference tomorrow morning in Downing Street following the frantic diplomatic activity of the past 24 hours in response to Donald Trump’s extraordinary threats to impose tariffs on the UK and other European allies over Greenland
    @SkyNews

    "Please! I like America! Fancy schmancy! What a cinch! Go fly a kite! Cat got your tongue! Hill of beans! Karoline Leavitt, what a dish! Kristi Noem, nice gams!"
    "Having received no assurance from the President that he will not invade Greenland, I have today authorised GCHQ to release OUR Epstein files.

    Boy, do we have the goods..."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514

    Roger said:

    PJH said:

    ydoethur said:

    I wonder what Stuartinromford makes of this.

    1 Blimey.

    2 Apologies to anyone who listened to me saying that Rozzer was a loyal Conservative in a way that Jenrick wasn't.

    3 Eagles is right about his people skills; from the point of view of being seen around the place, and available for weddings and bar mitzvahs, he's the best. I doubt there are many public buildings in Romford that don't have a portrait of the monarch, generously presented by the local MP.

    4 But despite being an MP since 2001, I don't think he was ever a minister. Admittedly, he was unavailable in the mad bit of summer 2022 when BoJo was desperate for anyone to serve, but it's still indicative of his skillset.

    5 The Chagos thing has to be nonsense, doesn't it? Not that he doesn't believe in their cause, but it surely isn't a reason to jump to Reform now.

    6 I wonder how his old party will respond.

    7 So much for the really careful vetting that el Nige promised us.

    8 The council elections for Havering (3.5 months away) will presumably be even more of a shitshow than they were going to be already. (One of our local Conservative councillors, talented and going places but deselected for insufficient loyalty to the Andrissimo, recently changed his social media pic to the Traitors logo.)

    9 Did I say blimey?
    I'm surprised because his minions were still out and about working hard for him right before Christmas. I'm not surprised because there has been hardly a fag paper of difference between him and Farage's party (under whatever branding).

    He definitely fits the liar or crook or both mould of the other Reform MPs (I have heard some interesting stories from recent members of the Romford Conservative Association). He is personally very polite but also crashingly dull with no sense of humour at all. He adds nothing to them except anther failed Tory, except in his case nobody gas ever trusted him to run anything so I suppose you can't really accuse him of failure.

    It's a shame the news broke when it did because I was with a Conservative councillor until about 5 minutes before, who clearly didn't know about it either because we were discussing local politics! I imagine the party will be in disarray locally as it was very much his private fiefdom, purged of anyone except Rosindell loyalists. Presumably they will also all now join Reform, and half of the current Reform members will leave.

    On the positive side for the Conservatives it does open the possibility that I might vote Tory in a GE for the first time ever, if they select a sensible candidate.
    All this does is cement Kemi's position and I expect her now to lead into the next GE
    A little counter intuitive!! If she loses many more she she be able to hold her shadow cabinet meetings in a taxi.
    She will lead the official opposition to the GE and so much better without Jenrick and others
    Yes to the first part, possibly to the second, but it could be the last GE the Conservative Party in its current form contests.
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