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Another one bites the dust – politicalbetting.com

New: Andrew Rosindell has become the fourth serving Tory frontbencher to join Reform UKNigel Farage: "Andrew is a great patriot. The Tories’ lies and hypocrisy over the Chagos Islands betrayal has tipped him over the edge, and we are delighted to welcome him to our ranks."

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514
    There will be more. Kemi has done reasonably well in response to the previous defection, but repeated defections cannot but look weak for the party. Will former Tories feel ready to come back because 'nutters' (I have no idea of Rosindell's actual reputationo) are jumping ship?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121
    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.
  • I no longer have a Star Sports account but you can still back Andrew Rosindell as the next Tory MP to defect to Reform at 10/3.

    https://starsports.bet/event/107324844/next-conservative-defection-to-reform-uk
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,290

    And nothing of value was lost

    He had a nice dog....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,737
    edited January 18
    ydoethur said:

    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.

    I've actually met Andrew twice at Westminster, on a personal level he's very polite and engaging, despite us not agreeing on much as Tories.

    (He and i share a similar trait when it comes to subtlety.)
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,445
    edited January 18
    fpt
    Barnesian said:

    What is the betting on the US futures market when they open in three hours time?
    I anticipate a sale of US Treasuries and a reluctance to buy new UST issues necessitating a rise in US interest rates and a fall in the US stock market. If the futures market also anticipates this, there could be a big correction. Trump may have bitten off more than he realised.

    The market will be closed tomorrow, Martin Luther King Jr day

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121
    I wonder what @Stuartinromford makes of this.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,933
    ydoethur said:

    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.

    Yes. That teenager can feel very hard done by. I was very doubtful of his report, but happy to give him credit for being proved right on this.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,695
    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.
  • kle4 said:

    There will be more. Kemi has done reasonably well in response to the previous defection, but repeated defections cannot but look weak for the party. Will former Tories feel ready to come back because 'nutters' (I have no idea of Rosindell's actual reputationo) are jumping ship?

    With each passing defection, the day the Lib Dems have more MPs than the Tories gets closer.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,308
    edited January 18
    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,658
    geoffw said:

    fpt

    Barnesian said:

    What is the betting on the US futures market when they open in three hours time?
    I anticipate a sale of US Treasuries and a reluctance to buy new UST issues necessitating a rise in US interest rates and a fall in the US stock market. If the futures market also anticipates this, there could be a big correction. Trump may have bitten off more than he realised.

    The market will be closed tomorrow, Martin Luther King Jr day

    The U.S. futures market will be open tonight, Sunday, January 18, 2026, for its standard trading session, despite the U.S. markets being closed tomorrow for the Martin Luther King Jr. Day federal holiday. Futures typically trade nearly 24 hours a day, five days a week, starting Sunday evening
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,514

    kle4 said:

    There will be more. Kemi has done reasonably well in response to the previous defection, but repeated defections cannot but look weak for the party. Will former Tories feel ready to come back because 'nutters' (I have no idea of Rosindell's actual reputationo) are jumping ship?

    With each passing defection, the day the Lib Dems have more MPs than the Tories gets closer.
    They might think to be the beneficiaries if the Tories simply collapse, but I cannot see it - maybe they'd get some of the voteshare, but even with Reform taking bites out of them, I'd think plenty of Tories are still mentally prepared to accept being devoured, in terms of the right unifying (one way or another), than decide to become a woolly centre-leftist.

    Especially since in the South the LDs have often been the traditional enemy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,737
    edited January 18
    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Send John Virgo to Greenland.

    That would stop any thought of an American invasion.

    And we might get some half decent commentators on the snooker.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,290
    edited January 18
    FPT Tres: "so fucking obvious who cant read a simple graph"

    I was reading this, rather than the graph, pillock.

    "Labour’s non-dom gamble backfired – now it wants them back. Calls for a global investor visa as officials seek ways to stem the flow of rich people moving abroad."
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,982
    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,031
    Barnesian said:

    geoffw said:

    fpt

    Barnesian said:

    What is the betting on the US futures market when they open in three hours time?
    I anticipate a sale of US Treasuries and a reluctance to buy new UST issues necessitating a rise in US interest rates and a fall in the US stock market. If the futures market also anticipates this, there could be a big correction. Trump may have bitten off more than he realised.

    The market will be closed tomorrow, Martin Luther King Jr day

    The U.S. futures market will be open tonight, Sunday, January 18, 2026, for its standard trading session, despite the U.S. markets being closed tomorrow for the Martin Luther King Jr. Day federal holiday. Futures typically trade nearly 24 hours a day, five days a week, starting Sunday evening
    Opens 11PM our time tonight.
  • Loud booing for the US national anthem at the O2 this evening.

    "Leave Greenland alone!" got a massive cheer.


    https://x.com/crimlawuk/status/2012952263740829743
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121
    John Higgins looks utterly scrambled here.

    The only saving grace he has is that Wilson hasn't been much better this evening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,038
    edited January 18
    A new Newspoll in Australia has Pauline Hanson's rightwing populist anti immigration One Nation ahead of the centre right Coalition 22% to 21% with the governing Labor party also down on the primary vote since the last election to 32% from 35%. It is yet another sign of the shift to the nationalist right on the right of centre of politics across the western world. Labor lead 55% to 45% on 2PP

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/newspoll-pauline-hansons-one-nation-ahead-of-the-coalition-on-primary-votes-for-the-first-time/news-story/4e41476c9a605ada111c0c1f7064db1d?amp
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121

    Loud booing for the US national anthem at the O2 this evening.

    "Leave Greenland alone!" got a massive cheer.


    https://x.com/crimlawuk/status/2012952263740829743

    They should have been booing that idiot who thought she can sing anyway. Dreadful voice.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    It seems that the King is snubbing his son when he visits the UK too.

    It is sad when you see such dysfunctional families.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,658

    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    It's not just tariffs. It's US Treasuries.


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,038
    edited January 18
    Rosindell's full statement, not much of a surprise, he has always been on the populist hard right of the party and Reform probably now fits him best. Though his making is all about the Chagos Islands is amusing
    https://x.com/AndrewRosindell/status/2012979078651916370?s=20
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Absolutely - her and her sister were adults when most of their parents behaviour was well known, they (the daughters) didn’t retire to a private life - they used the connections and got themselves marriages and wealth that was purely down to their parents’ contacts and life and now suddenly when it’s not optimal they cut off. They are super ordinary women who have lucked out and to then turn on the source of their luck is shitty.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208
    There are now 7 Reform UK MPs, two more than they won in the election and now equalling Sinn Fein in size. They've gained 4 (3 defections + 1 by-election win), but lost 2.

    Over half (4) were previously Conservative Party MPs. 5/7 previously held elected positions as Conservatives (Pochin was a Conservative councillor and Westminster candidate). All 7 were previously members of the Conservative Party. (The only Reform MP who had not previously been a member of the Conservative Party was James McMurdock).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,933
    Foxy said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    It seems that the King is snubbing his son when he visits the UK too.

    It is sad when you see such dysfunctional families.
    I've always said that monarchy was cruel to the Royal Family and the kindest thing we could do for them would be to declare a Republic.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,709
    edited January 18

    Loud booing for the US national anthem at the O2 this evening.

    "Leave Greenland alone!" got a massive cheer.


    https://x.com/crimlawuk/status/2012952263740829743

    I was there. It was an amusing moment.
    The booing was muted though. The cheer for the Greenland shout was the big thing.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,031
    Barnesian said:

    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    It's not just tariffs. It's US Treasuries.




    ..
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,982
    edited January 18
    Rosindell’s move to Reform is kind of a non-story.

    Although I see he was “Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs”, which must say something about the paucity of talent on the Tory benches, given he’s borderline mentally sub-normal.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075
    Listening to Sting “Russians” and it’s very easily flipped to current situation.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,129
    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Send John Virgo to Greenland.

    That would stop any thought of an American invasion.

    And we might get some half decent commentators on the snooker.
    Where's the sleazeball going???!?
    Greenland.
  • Smart51Smart51 Posts: 92
    Just 45 more defections until the Lib Dems become the official opposition.
  • I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    There's little doubt that Trump and his insiders shorted the markets in advance of his first announced tariff announcements, but the markets rebounded in due course and have treated his subsequent eccentricities with equanimity. You can only pull the same trick so many times and I doubt the markets are going to fall for it this time.

    Things might get volatile if we get close to the reality of a full on tariff war, but that wouldn't necessarily be to Trumps advantage as he wouldn't be calling all the shots.

    I watch with interest. The US and UK stock markets have been on such a long bull run that some correction would appear overdue, so maybe this latest attempt at bullying will give traders an excuse to ease down a bit?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,982
    Barnesian said:

    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    It's not just tariffs. It's US Treasuries.


    No offence, but currently that’s a random comment from Deutschebank, themselves hardly market-making authorities.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121

    Rosindell’s move to Reform is kind of a non-story.

    Although I see he was “Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs”, which must say something about the paucity of talent on the Tory benches, given he’s borderline mentally sub-normal.

    I hope in that role he stuck to consensual affairs.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,031
    boulay said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Absolutely - her and her sister were adults when most of their parents behaviour was well known, they (the daughters) didn’t retire to a private life - they used the connections and got themselves marriages and wealth that was purely down to their parents’ contacts and life and now suddenly when it’s not optimal they cut off. They are super ordinary women who have lucked out and to then turn on the source of their luck is shitty.
    Sarah Ferguson’s profligate lifestyle was staggering.

    I read this on Twitter and was amazed.

    How did no one rein her in !

    https://x.com/echetus/status/2009986806721458493?s=61
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,445
    geoffw said:

    fpt

    Barnesian said:

    What is the betting on the US futures market when they open in three hours time?
    I anticipate a sale of US Treasuries and a reluctance to buy new UST issues necessitating a rise in US interest rates and a fall in the US stock market. If the futures market also anticipates this, there could be a big correction. Trump may have bitten off more than he realised.

    The market will be closed tomorrow, Martin Luther King Jr day

    Correction (Claude): the Chicago futures market will only be paused at mid-day tomorrow to recognise MKLJr day

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,745
    I think it's a mistake by Rosindell. I don't think Farage's deadline would actually have held.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121
    dixiedean said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Send John Virgo to Greenland.

    That would stop any thought of an American invasion.

    And we might get some half decent commentators on the snooker.
    Where's the sleazeball going???!?
    Greenland.
    That's a bit harsh on Virgo. He may be a lousy commentator but he's not AFAIK a sleazeball.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,308
    Could we conscript Andrew Windsor and send him to Greenland as our Ambassador...

    While he wouldn't like it it's probably no worse than where he's going to end up in Norfolk and may put Trump off visiting Epstein island..
  • Foxy said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    It seems that the King is snubbing his son when he visits the UK too.

    It is sad when you see such dysfunctional families.
    I've always said that monarchy was cruel to the Royal Family and the kindest thing we could do for them would be to declare a Republic.
    Or at least have the children taken into care.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208
    boulay said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Absolutely - her and her sister were adults when most of their parents behaviour was well known, they (the daughters) didn’t retire to a private life - they used the connections and got themselves marriages and wealth that was purely down to their parents’ contacts and life and now suddenly when it’s not optimal they cut off. They are super ordinary women who have lucked out and to then turn on the source of their luck is shitty.
    Princess Beatrice is a Counsellor of State!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,933

    Rosindell’s move to Reform is kind of a non-story.

    Although I see he was “Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs”, which must say something about the paucity of talent on the Tory benches, given he’s borderline mentally sub-normal.

    Wikipedia has him as "Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Foreign Affairs" so very much an everyone must have prizes sort of appointment.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,767
    OT lots of fireworks tonight.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,394
    ydoethur said:

    John Higgins looks utterly scrambled here.

    The only saving grace he has is that Wilson hasn't been much better this evening.

    It's a great watch for it, though. Big break after big break is nice and impressive and all, but the drama of top players just missing random pots and frames swinging about wildly on it is much more exciting.
  • ydoethur said:

    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.

    I've actually met Andrew twice at Westminster, on a personal level he's very polite and engaging, despite us not agreeing on much as Tories.

    (He and i share a similar trait when it comes to subtlety.)
    Erm....for the avoidance of doubt, TSE, I think you should make it clear which Andrew you are talking about here.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075

    boulay said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Absolutely - her and her sister were adults when most of their parents behaviour was well known, they (the daughters) didn’t retire to a private life - they used the connections and got themselves marriages and wealth that was purely down to their parents’ contacts and life and now suddenly when it’s not optimal they cut off. They are super ordinary women who have lucked out and to then turn on the source of their luck is shitty.
    Princess Beatrice is a Counsellor of State!
    My hitherto repressed republicanism is suddenly swelling.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,658
    edited January 18
    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    It's not just tariffs. It's US Treasuries.




    ..
    That's a huge amount of debt. The US is in hock to the rest of the world. Nearly $10 trillion. USTs are held because of their liquidity and yield. But it is the Achilles heel of the US.

    China is at a 17-year low as they continue to reduce exposure. Very canny.
    The relative share of total U.S. debt held by foreigners has decreased from nearly 50% in the early 2010s to 33% today.

    A lot is held by central banks. It can be weaponised alongside tariffs. Now is the time. If the markets think it is a possibility, they will react.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,221
    A genuinely odd bloke.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,767
    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Absolutely - her and her sister were adults when most of their parents behaviour was well known, they (the daughters) didn’t retire to a private life - they used the connections and got themselves marriages and wealth that was purely down to their parents’ contacts and life and now suddenly when it’s not optimal they cut off. They are super ordinary women who have lucked out and to then turn on the source of their luck is shitty.
    Sarah Ferguson’s profligate lifestyle was staggering.

    I read this on Twitter and was amazed.

    How did no one rein her in !

    https://x.com/echetus/status/2009986806721458493?s=61
    The whole family is a bit bonkers. (Is that text from Lownie's book?) Divorcing then shacking up together like a 1970s sitcom. Fergie's spendthrift ways led her into Epstein's web. He cleared her debts and ‘entertained’ her ex.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208
    Wikipedia says: "Since the start of 2016, Rosindell has been a member of the Advisory Board of the UK-based 'Polar Regions' think-tank Polar Research and Policy Initiative.[26]"

    Maybe he can come up with a Greenland policy for Reform UK.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,221
    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    I really struggle to not read that as World Wrestling Entertainment.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,343
    ydoethur said:

    I think it's a mistake by Rosindell. I don't think Farage's deadline would actually have held.

    I think it's a much bigger mistake by Farage. His small political grouping is a right mix of oddballs and egomaniacs, with himself as both.
    I am amazed by the rapidity by which people described as loyal, hard-working sensible centrist cabinet members whilst in the Conservative Party instantly become oddball and egomaniac extremists fit only for rubbish the instant they defect to Reform. 'Tis a mystery, I tell you.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075

    ydoethur said:

    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.

    I've actually met Andrew twice at Westminster, on a personal level he's very polite and engaging, despite us not agreeing on much as Tories.

    (He and i share a similar trait when it comes to subtlety.)
    His hero, Margaret Thatcher, would have deplored him for defecting.
    Is he the tit who was trying to force the Conservatives to sell him “Margaret Thatcher House” in his constituency?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,982

    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Absolutely - her and her sister were adults when most of their parents behaviour was well known, they (the daughters) didn’t retire to a private life - they used the connections and got themselves marriages and wealth that was purely down to their parents’ contacts and life and now suddenly when it’s not optimal they cut off. They are super ordinary women who have lucked out and to then turn on the source of their luck is shitty.
    Sarah Ferguson’s profligate lifestyle was staggering.

    I read this on Twitter and was amazed.

    How did no one rein her in !

    https://x.com/echetus/status/2009986806721458493?s=61
    The whole family is a bit bonkers. (Is that text from Lownie's book?) Divorcing then shacking up together like a 1970s sitcom. Fergie's spendthrift ways led her into Epstein's web. He cleared her debts and ‘entertained’ her ex.
    I always thought the divorced then shacking up thing was quite endearing.

    I’m a bit sad to learn that they really are repellent, grafting shits.
  • ydoethur said:

    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.

    I've actually met Andrew twice at Westminster, on a personal level he's very polite and engaging, despite us not agreeing on much as Tories.

    (He and i share a similar trait when it comes to subtlety.)
    Erm....for the avoidance of doubt, TSE, I think you should make it clear which Andrew you are talking about here.
    Rosindell.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121
    edited January 18
    viewcode said:

    ydoethur said:

    I think it's a mistake by Rosindell. I don't think Farage's deadline would actually have held.

    I think it's a much bigger mistake by Farage. His small political grouping is a right mix of oddballs and egomaniacs, with himself as both.
    I am amazed by the rapidity by which people described as loyal, hard-working sensible centrist cabinet members whilst in the Conservative Party instantly become oddball and egomaniac extremists fit only for rubbish the instant they defect to Reform. 'Tis a mystery, I tell you.
    Really? Such as whom?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,038

    Foxy said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    It seems that the King is snubbing his son when he visits the UK too.

    It is sad when you see such dysfunctional families.
    I've always said that monarchy was cruel to the Royal Family and the kindest thing we could do for them would be to declare a Republic.
    He would have snubbed him regardless and constitutional monarchy is far better than a politician head of state
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,221
    Foxy said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    It seems that the King is snubbing his son when he visits the UK too.

    It is sad when you see such dysfunctional families.
    I'm not going to cheer it.

    It's very sad when any family breaks up.
  • Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    I really struggle to not read that as World Wrestling Entertainment.
    A friend once said to me that the WEF lost all mystique for her when she found out that the likes of me attended Davos.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,365
    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    It's not just tariffs. It's US Treasuries.




    ..
    Presumably the UK holdings are by financial institutions based in London. The UK Treasury certainly doesn't have those kind of assets. Many of those financial institutions are, of course, American owned. The idea that the UK government could engineer a major sell off of US Treasuries is pure fantasy. And even if it wasn't glass houses and stones come to mind. The absolutely last thing the UK government needs is any kind of sovereign debt crisis.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,031
    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    It's not just tariffs. It's US Treasuries.




    ..
    That's a huge amount of debt. The US is in hock to the rest of the world. Nearly $10 trillion. USTs are held because of their liquidity and yield. But it is the Achilles heel of the US.

    China is at a 17-year low as they continue to reduce exposure. Very canny.
    The relative share of total U.S. debt held by foreigners has decreased from nearly 50% in the early 2010s to 33% today.

    A lot is held by central banks. It can be weaponised alongside tariffs. Now is the time. If the markets think it is a possibility, they will react.
    The bond markets forced Trump to fold last time, it will this time.

    China is also acquiring physical gold.

    Tactically seizing Russian assets may have been right, but strategically it may come back to bite them.

    Peter schiff claims that far from the US subsiding the rest of the world it is the other way round due to the UST’s
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,121

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    I really struggle to not read that as World Wrestling Entertainment.
    Ah, the Field of the Cloth of Gold diplomacy.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,148
    "So what was it, Mr Rosindell, that first attracted you to a party like Reform?"

    image
  • Foxy said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    It seems that the King is snubbing his son when he visits the UK too.

    It is sad when you see such dysfunctional families.
    I'm not going to cheer it.

    It's very sad when any family breaks up.
    I discussed this yesterday, my mother is furious at the King for not giving his son security when he's in the UK, he's going to look like an absolute copper bottomed shit if anything happens to his boy on UK soil.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,573
    As the flow of Tory MPs continues the more the risk increases for Farage. I think he could’ve done with having a few weeks before the next one - he only came out this morning to say that he wasn’t a rescue charity for Tory MPs - by the end of the day he’s taken another one.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785
    Dodgy penalty to decide AFCON.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,031

    Taz said:

    boulay said:

    I genuinely feel sorry for Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor here.

    Princess Eugenie has cut off all contact with her disgraced father in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, who was stripped of his royal titles in October over his links to the paedophile financier, is said to be 'devastated' at the estrangement from his younger daughter, which followed months of further damaging revelations last year about his relationship with Epstein.

    It is understood Eugenie, 35, is refusing to speak to Andrew and did not visit him at Christmas.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15473609/Princess-Eugenie-cut-contact-father-Epstein-scandal.html

    Absolutely - her and her sister were adults when most of their parents behaviour was well known, they (the daughters) didn’t retire to a private life - they used the connections and got themselves marriages and wealth that was purely down to their parents’ contacts and life and now suddenly when it’s not optimal they cut off. They are super ordinary women who have lucked out and to then turn on the source of their luck is shitty.
    Sarah Ferguson’s profligate lifestyle was staggering.

    I read this on Twitter and was amazed.

    How did no one rein her in !

    https://x.com/echetus/status/2009986806721458493?s=61
    The whole family is a bit bonkers. (Is that text from Lownie's book?) Divorcing then shacking up together like a 1970s sitcom. Fergie's spendthrift ways led her into Epstein's web. He cleared her debts and ‘entertained’ her ex.
    I presume it is from his book. I just was amazed reading it. It’s like Imelda Marcos on steroids.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,038
    edited January 18
    ydoethur said:

    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.

    Well the Met police took no further action against Rosindell after they investigated an accusation of rape, indecent assault, sexual assault, abuse of trust and misconduct in public office made against him. So he was able to pass Reform's vetting for MPs and candidates I presume
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68273826
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,695
    @Microinteracti1

    🇳🇴 Norwegian prime minister says Trump repeatedly begs for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Norwegian prime minister Jonas Gahr Støre says that Donald Trump raises the same issue every time they meet. According to Støre, Donald Trump repeatedly complains, pleads, and demands to know why he has not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Støre explains that he gives the same answer every time. The decision is made entirely by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which operates independently and without any involvement from the Norwegian government.

    It is, as Støre reportedly notes with thinly veiled frustration, a concept Trump appears fundamentally unable to grasp.

    https://x.com/Microinteracti1/status/2012960177612345753?s=20
  • Foxy said:

    Dodgy penalty to decide AFCON.

    Senegal players walking off the pitch before the penalty is taken.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785
    Chaos in Rabat. Senegal walking off the pitch rather than allowing the penalty.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,290
    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    I don’t think the Greenland antics are going to budge the markets much.

    Depends how Trump responds to the rumour of counter-tariffs (which remain nothing more than a “drawing up plans” story right now).

    It's not just tariffs. It's US Treasuries.




    ..
    That's a huge amount of debt. The US is in hock to the rest of the world. Nearly $10 trillion. USTs are held because of their liquidity and yield. But it is the Achilles heel of the US.

    China is at a 17-year low as they continue to reduce exposure. Very canny.
    The relative share of total U.S. debt held by foreigners has decreased from nearly 50% in the early 2010s to 33% today.

    A lot is held by central banks. It can be weaponised alongside tariffs. Now is the time. If the markets think it is a possibility, they will react.
    I've read suggestions that the UK works closely with the US to have the UK hold debt that is actually funded by the Americans. So that UK position is not one likely to continue.

    The Chinese unwind is massive - and continuing.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785

    Foxy said:

    Dodgy penalty to decide AFCON.

    Senegal players walking off the pitch before the penalty is taken.
    Their injury time goal should have stood too.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,612

    Foxy said:

    Dodgy penalty to decide AFCON.

    Senegal players walking off the pitch before the penalty is taken.
    This is insane!
  • I understand why the Senegalese players have walked off given their goal was disallowed.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,767

    ydoethur said:

    A good job that no lies or hypocrisy were involved in his defection. That teenager he threatened would surely have a good case to sue after effectively being called a liar for telling the truth.

    And also a good job that he doesn't have an - ummm - interesting past in other ways (putting it delicately).

    If he isn't a disaster for Reform I'll be very surprised.

    Yes. That teenager can feel very hard done by. I was very doubtful of his report, but happy to give him credit for being proved right on this.
    Never believe anything until it's been officially denied. – Jim Hacker.
  • CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Dodgy penalty to decide AFCON.

    Senegal players walking off the pitch before the penalty is taken.
    This is insane!
    What happens if they refuse to play any further
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,612
    Wow, the match is going to be abandoned, isn't it?!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,075
    Dura_Ace said:

    boulay said:



    Ok, so if you can resist your cynicism, what would you do ( apart from donuts on a glacier). Do you think if the UK put a huge placementof Marines, paras, light infantry, guards etc in Greenland and said to the US - if you attack this is not you killing Cuban mercenaries in Venezuela but people who might have fought alongside you in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Do you think the US military would still blindly follow orders or really struggle with it?

    US forces would 100% engage and kill NATO "allies" if ordered in my opinion.

    As for what the UK should do... Putting troops, etc. into Greenland is a decision for Denmark and the UK would struggle to sustain a meaningful deployment without Danish support anyway.

    What I would do if I were PM is start throwing some fucking grit in the UK/US military co-operation machine. Delay and deny overflight and landing permissions. Withdraw from all joint exercises. Just stop issuing new military visas. That wouldn't hurt straight away and wouldn't be an escalatory shock but they would have to start extending tours and gapping posts. If all of Europe did this together the US military would start to get mightily disgruntled and Congress/the Senate would start to pay attention to them.

    At the moment Trump is setting the narrative and dictating the terms. Starmer and the rest of them just look fucking irrelevant, powerless and inactive through fear.
    Thank fuck you actually were able to come up with a good idea - rather than just reflexive snark. I think your plan is absolutely bang on so nice to finally have a rational plan from you.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,926
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,433
    Chris said:

    "So what was it, Mr Rosindell, that first attracted you to a party like Reform?"

    image

    Rozzer is, to be fair, probably most people's idea of a Reformer. A cartoon made flesh. The Lionel Asbo of Romford.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,612

    CatMan said:

    Foxy said:

    Dodgy penalty to decide AFCON.

    Senegal players walking off the pitch before the penalty is taken.
    This is insane!
    What happens if they refuse to play any further
    I don't know, but if I had to guess, Morocco will be given the win, and Senegal a massive fine and maybe ban?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,038

    As the flow of Tory MPs continues the more the risk increases for Farage. I think he could’ve done with having a few weeks before the next one - he only came out this morning to say that he wasn’t a rescue charity for Tory MPs - by the end of the day he’s taken another one.

    I doubt Kemi will be too devastated by Rosindell leaving, he is another of the type of Tory MP centrist Labour and LD voters despise and whose departure may take those living in Tory held seats a little closer to tactically voting Tory to keep out Reform.

    Sir Keir probably won't be too distraught either, uber Thatcherite Rosindell joining Reform is another step to perhaps giving some 2024 Labour voters who have gone Reform since some second thoughts
  • CatMan said:

    Wow, the match is going to be abandoned, isn't it?!

    I asume it will be awarded to Morocco and Senegal banned from international football.

    And tournament ruined
  • isamisam Posts: 43,386
    edited January 18

    A genuinely odd bloke.

    Pushing sixty and still living with his Mum isn’t he?

    EDIT Or was until she died seven years ago!
  • Senegal back on field
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785
    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    The extraordinary meeting of EU leaders to discuss Greenland could take physically as soon as Thursday, 22 January, according to EU officials.

    It will take place in Brussels after leaders attend the WEF in Davos.

    By Thursday the whole meeting could be moot - that leaves 3 days for Trump to open up the gates of the American base there and take over..
    Isn't the American base a long way from Nuuk?
    Yes, what does a US occupation actually look like?

    How can they evict the Danish dog sled?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785
    Hilarious if Senegal save it!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,208
    Scott_xP said:

    @Microinteracti1

    🇳🇴 Norwegian prime minister says Trump repeatedly begs for the Nobel Peace Prize

    Norwegian prime minister Jonas Gahr Støre says that Donald Trump raises the same issue every time they meet. According to Støre, Donald Trump repeatedly complains, pleads, and demands to know why he has not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Støre explains that he gives the same answer every time. The decision is made entirely by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which operates independently and without any involvement from the Norwegian government.

    It is, as Støre reportedly notes with thinly veiled frustration, a concept Trump appears fundamentally unable to grasp.

    https://x.com/Microinteracti1/status/2012960177612345753?s=20

    Is it that Trump is fundamentally unable to grasp the concept and obsessed with his own personal glory, or is it 4-dimensional chess? Who can tell?
  • SAVED!!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,785
    Foxy said:

    Hilarious if Senegal save it!

    And he does!

    Totally crap penalty.
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