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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389
    Reporter: Mr. President, do you commit to not do you commit to not militarily engaging NATO partners?

    Trump: I don't talk about that.

    Reporter: You're not willing to commit to not attacking a NATO partner?

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2012278639245885526
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,577
    If he thinks he is getting a third afternoon tea with the King he can do one.



  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,916
    Andy_JS said:

    geoffw said:

    Europe versus USA over Greenland, like two bald men fighting for a comb

    I'm concerned that China and Russia may be the winners from this. The West needs to stick together somehow.
    Trump is an insuperable barrier to that at the moment.

    It puts us into an awful position that we have to deal with somehow.

    If we deal with it there will be trouble and if we don't it will be double.
  • Telegraph tomorrow

    Badenoch

    Only the consevatives will stop the UK from becoming a poodle state of the US
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,172
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    You certainly can hide in the areas near the town, breaking in from time to time to destroy property, seize provisions and kill US troops occupying it
    You’ve always struck me as an expert in guerrilla warfare.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,661
    @reuters.com‬

    US official says EU should consider separating Greenland tariff issue from US trade deal
  • Telegraph tomorrow

    Badenoch

    Only the consevatives will stop the UK from becoming a poodle state of the US

    Fascinating play. How exciting that Spineless has managed to drag Labour into the position of being Trump’s bitch
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,577
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    You certainly can hide in the areas near the town, breaking in from time to time to destroy property, seize provisions and kill US troops occupying it
    US army grunts are just gonna love freezing their tits off in some ice-bound trench on the outskirts of Nuuk.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,577
    Scott_xP said:

    I don't think this has been a good day for the Mad King

    The 25th is obvious for all but the GOP party now.

  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    You certainly can hide in the areas near the town, breaking in from time to time to destroy property, seize provisions and kill US troops occupying it
    You clearly havent been to Nuuk but to be honest you are sounding unhinged
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,577
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Mafia takeover of America complete. Trump has told countries that want to serve on his Gaza Board of Peace they will have to pay $1 billion to be permanent members.

    Eh? The Board of Peace is individuals like Tony Blair???
    I think this refers to the Arab states.

    It's another grift, and no doubt the money is intended to go into some offshore account controlled by Trump.

    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham
    ***EXCLUSIVE*** with
    @AlbertoNardelli


    Donald Trump has told countries that want to serve on his Board of Peace they will have to ***pay $1 billion*** to be permanent members

    Bloomberg has obtained the draft charter. It appears to suggest ***Trump himself would control the money***, sources say
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,392

    Telegraph tomorrow

    Badenoch

    Only the consevatives will stop the UK from becoming a poodle state of the US

    Has she got a time machine then?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,018

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
  • DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    You certainly can hide in the areas near the town, breaking in from time to time to destroy property, seize provisions and kill US troops occupying it
    You’ve always struck me as an expert in guerrilla warfare.
    He's missing the obvious tactic: build roundabouts everywhere quickly before the Americans arrive, then drive at them at 70mph. Americans struggle with roundabouts at the best of times anyway...
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,172
    Scott_xP said:

    @reuters.com‬

    US official says EU should consider separating Greenland tariff issue from US trade deal

    WTF does that even mean?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,577

    Minnesota Department of Public Safety
    @MnDPS_DPS
    At Gov. Walz’s direction, the Minnesota National Guard have been mobilized and are staging to support local law enforcement and emergency management agencies.


    https://x.com/MnDPS_DPS/status/2012614253090619619
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    edited January 17
    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @reuters.com‬

    US official says EU should consider separating Greenland tariff issue from US trade deal

    WTF does that even mean?
    It means "How dare you react to our punitive measures"?

    Like how Putin would act outraged at Ukrainians defending themselves.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,030

    Telegraph tomorrow

    Badenoch

    Only the consevatives will stop the UK from becoming a poodle state of the US

    Fascinating play. How exciting that Spineless has managed to drag Labour into the position of being Trump’s bitch
    It’s the beauty of opposition, supported by the fact that Trump will be gone by the next election, and a decent bet that Vance won’t win it. She can wrap herself in the flag, attack Trump, attack Starmer, and steal back Reform voters by calling Farage a Trump/Putin fan.
  • Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475

    Telegraph tomorrow

    Badenoch

    Only the consevatives will stop the UK from becoming a poodle state of the US

    Has she got a time machine then?
    So that's how she managed to outfox Jenrick!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,916

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    Is geopolitical instability a threat to the SNP? Kinda feels like the idea of splitting up into smaller countries is an idea better suited to calm and secure times.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,661
    @LindseyGrahamSC
    ·
    May 3, 2016
    If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,270
    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @reuters.com‬

    US official says EU should consider separating Greenland tariff issue from US trade deal

    WTF does that even mean?
    I believe it's a US official being pro having cake and pro eating it.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
    You have no idea what you are talking about re Greenland

    It is 9 times the size of the UK with the main population in Nuuk and yes I have been there

    If Trumps wants it no military action will stop him and your idea the Greenlanders would be a Dads Army is ludicous
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    Scott_xP said:

    @LindseyGrahamSC
    ·
    May 3, 2016
    If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.

    A man who has himself been beaten down to a terrifyingly high degree.

    We all wish we'd stand up to bullies, but probably would not, but that so many do not put a price on dignity at all is depressing in its reveal of human nature.

    At least he's capitulated to remain a US Senator, there's ones who Trump went after and have no power anymore who still then lick his boots.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389
    Scott_xP said:

    @reuters.com‬

    US official says EU should consider separating Greenland tariff issue from US trade deal

    lol
  • HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    Is geopolitical instability a threat to the SNP? Kinda feels like the idea of splitting up into smaller countries is an idea better suited to calm and secure times.
    It is their DNA
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    Is geopolitical instability a threat to the SNP? Kinda feels like the idea of splitting up into smaller countries is an idea better suited to calm and secure times.
    Loathe as I am to do so, I think the SNP would be able to claim Scottish independence would not appreciably add to the existing chaos. Of course, England might go a bit Trumpy itself in theory, but then they might argue better not to be tied to it then!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Mafia takeover of America complete. Trump has told countries that want to serve on his Gaza Board of Peace they will have to pay $1 billion to be permanent members.

    Eh? The Board of Peace is individuals like Tony Blair???
    I think this refers to the Arab states.

    It's another grift, and no doubt the money is intended to go into some offshore account controlled by Trump.

    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham
    ***EXCLUSIVE*** with
    @AlbertoNardelli


    Donald Trump has told countries that want to serve on his Board of Peace they will have to ***pay $1 billion*** to be permanent members

    Bloomberg has obtained the draft charter. It appears to suggest ***Trump himself would control the money***, sources say
    Called it.

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,392

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    Is geopolitical instability a threat to the SNP? Kinda feels like the idea of splitting up into smaller countries is an idea better suited to calm and secure times.
    I suppose there's always the alternative and joining up with one of the big power players, like the USA.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    Is geopolitical instability a threat to the SNP? Kinda feels like the idea of splitting up into smaller countries is an idea better suited to calm and secure times.
    I suppose there's always the alternative and joining up with one of the big power players, like the USA.
    The country does have some good links with the current president. Windfarms might be an issue.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
    You have no idea what you are talking about re Greenland

    It is 9 times the size of the UK with the main population in Nuuk and yes I have been there

    If Trumps wants it no military action will stop him and your idea the Greenlanders would be a Dads Army is ludicous


    Trump not only has to take it and he would immediately be at war with Denmark if he tried, maybe the rest of Nato too, he then has to occupy it with a hostile population who would go out of their way to destroy US infrastructure and kill US troops given the chance.

    Plus he would likely be facing impeachment by Congress at home
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,425
    Unsurprisingly, complete radio silence from 'patriots' such as Tommy Ten Names and Sargon about Donald's wish to annex Greenland and destroy NATO.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,018
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    Is geopolitical instability a threat to the SNP? Kinda feels like the idea of splitting up into smaller countries is an idea better suited to calm and secure times.
    Loathe as I am to do so, I think the SNP would be able to claim Scottish independence would not appreciably add to the existing chaos. Of course, England might go a bit Trumpy itself in theory, but then they might argue better not to be tied to it then!
    Well given Putin has invaded a neighbouring country and Spain suspended the Catalan parliament and arrested Catalan leaders and imposed direct rule when they tried to hold an unauthorised referendum on independence and given and Trump is threatening Greenland it should not be too difficult for the UK government to refuse an indyref2. Even in the unlikely event the SNP won a majority
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,253


    Minnesota Department of Public Safety
    @MnDPS_DPS
    At Gov. Walz’s direction, the Minnesota National Guard have been mobilized and are staging to support local law enforcement and emergency management agencies.


    https://x.com/MnDPS_DPS/status/2012614253090619619

    Fun if the National Guard start filming ICE operations...
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
    You have no idea what you are talking about re Greenland

    It is 9 times the size of the UK with the main population in Nuuk and yes I have been there

    If Trumps wants it no military action will stop him and your idea the Greenlanders would be a Dads Army is ludicous


    Trump not only has to take it and he would immediately be at war with Denmark if he tried, maybe the rest of Nato too, he then has to occupy it with a hostile population who would go out of their way to destroy US infrastructure and kill US troops given the chance.

    Plus he would likely be facing impeachment by Congress at home
    You keep repeating this Dads Army nonsense

    Where is this US infrastructure you talk about in relation to the population ?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    Is geopolitical instability a threat to the SNP? Kinda feels like the idea of splitting up into smaller countries is an idea better suited to calm and secure times.
    Loathe as I am to do so, I think the SNP would be able to claim Scottish independence would not appreciably add to the existing chaos. Of course, England might go a bit Trumpy itself in theory, but then they might argue better not to be tied to it then!
    Well given Putin has invaded a neighbouring country and Spain suspended the Catalan parliament and arrested Catalan leaders and imposed direct rule when they tried to hold an unauthorised referendum on independence and given and Trump is threatening Greenland it should not be too difficult for the UK government to refuse an indyref2. Even in the unlikely event the SNP won a majority
    I don't think one will be granted. But I don't think the SNP or the Independence movement generally will take a hit because people are worried about the idea of splitting off from the UK during such turbulent times.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
    You have no idea what you are talking about re Greenland

    It is 9 times the size of the UK with the main population in Nuuk and yes I have been there

    If Trumps wants it no military action will stop him and your idea the Greenlanders would be a Dads Army is ludicous


    Trump not only has to take it and he would immediately be at war with Denmark if he tried, maybe the rest of Nato too, he then has to occupy it with a hostile population who would go out of their way to destroy US infrastructure and kill US troops given the chance.

    Plus he would likely be facing impeachment by Congress at home
    You keep repeating this Dads Army nonsense

    Where is this US infrastructure you talk about in relation to the population ?

    Well if they were occupying it they would need bases, transportation, food storage, energy supplies etc all of which would be targets immediately for terrorist bombings and attacks by the resistant population
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,769
    Just imagine the chaos if Kamala had been elected !

    I’d happily pay an extra tax to support the economy so we can tell Trump to go fxck himself .

    And his puppet master Miller now saying if you can’t defend your territory you can’t own it . Essentially how many smaller countries does that mean the USA wants for so called global peace !
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    edited January 17

    Unsurprisingly, complete radio silence from 'patriots' such as Tommy Ten Names and Sargon about Donald's wish to annex Greenland and destroy NATO.

    Have to be careful of their audience, know just how to pitch it. I recall Konstantin Kisin getting slapped around by his increasingly right leaning audience for sticking up for Zelensky when he was lambasted by Vance in front of the cameras, and had to inauthentically row back and say why he was wrong to do so on reflection.

    Though I do get occasionally recommended Sargon videos for reasons only the youtube alhorithm will know, and they mostly seem to be about women and entertainment culture.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,577

    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    1h
    If there is one lesson to be learned from history, it's never corner a European nation, and definitely not all of them at once.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
    You have no idea what you are talking about re Greenland

    It is 9 times the size of the UK with the main population in Nuuk and yes I have been there

    If Trumps wants it no military action will stop him and your idea the Greenlanders would be a Dads Army is ludicous


    Trump not only has to take it and he would immediately be at war with Denmark if he tried, maybe the rest of Nato too, he then has to occupy it with a hostile population who would go out of their way to destroy US infrastructure and kill US troops given the chance.

    Plus he would likely be facing impeachment by Congress at home
    You keep repeating this Dads Army nonsense

    Where is this US infrastructure you talk about in relation to the population ?

    Well if they were occupying it they would need bases, transportation, food storage, energy supplies etc all of which would be targets immediately for terrorist bombings and attacks by the resistant population
    They already have bases and if you think Greenlanders will take up arms v the US you are in the same place that sending tanks to Scotland would work
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389
    This doesn't change much in practical terms, except there will be procedures in place which might speed up a united EU response.

    Anti-Coercion Instrument
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Coercion_Instrument
    The Anti-Coercion Instrument (ACI), also called the trade bazooka, is a regulation of the European Union proposed in December 2021,[2] adopted in November 2023, and entering into force on 27 December 2023.[3][4] It aims to protect the EU and its Member States from economic coercion by third countries and provides a framework for EU action, including examination, engagement, and the adoption of countermeasures...
  • nico67 said:

    Just imagine the chaos if Kamala had been elected !

    I’d happily pay an extra tax to support the economy so we can tell Trump to go fxck himself .

    And his puppet master Miller now saying if you can’t defend your territory you can’t own it . Essentially how many smaller countries does that mean the USA wants for so called global peace !

    Ireland is fvcked then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    It will depend on the inco terms. Unless DDP then importer pays all duties and tariffs. Most trades to US or out of US, for goods (not services) aren’t DDP.

    A commercial decision to reduce prices to offset the tariffs still means the tariff gets paid by the importer (caveat above)

    There is also the currency difference to be considered.

    Games Workshop stock price is up by over 40% last 12 months. They have had a record year. Warhammer seems popular. If they grow their volume then they can easily make up any lost profit.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,171


    Minnesota Department of Public Safety
    @MnDPS_DPS
    At Gov. Walz’s direction, the Minnesota National Guard have been mobilized and are staging to support local law enforcement and emergency management agencies.


    https://x.com/MnDPS_DPS/status/2012614253090619619

    Fun if the National Guard start filming ICE operations...
    Even more fun if the national Guard start confronting and firing on ICE.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,916


    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    1h
    If there is one lesson to be learned from history, it's never corner a European nation, and definitely not all of them at once.

    I suppose Europe does have a lot of experience fighting wars. Mostly against each other, granted, but still.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,967


    Minnesota Department of Public Safety
    @MnDPS_DPS
    At Gov. Walz’s direction, the Minnesota National Guard have been mobilized and are staging to support local law enforcement and emergency management agencies.


    https://x.com/MnDPS_DPS/status/2012614253090619619

    Fun if the National Guard start filming ICE operations...
    Even more fun if the national Guard start confronting and firing on ICE.
    Trump will federalise the Guard and take it over, probably tomorrow.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389
    Canadian Twitter is also pissed.

    These fucking tools still don’t get it!? YOU HAD CANADA as your closest most loyal trade partner, coordinating a stance towards China and partnering on continental security! YOU HAD GREENLAND within your sphere of influence, with ALL OF EUROPE ready to have your back, securing continental security! But then your Orange Moron in Chief fucked it ALL by stabbing his allies in the back, launching trade wars against allies which directly contradicted the very trade agreements HE FUCKING NEGOTIATED in the first place! Threatening MILITARY ANNEXATION OF NATO ALLIES (some ‘Peace President!’)! I can’t even with you people - literally screwing over your closest friends and then crying foul when they adjust to the new reality which YOU CAUSED. GET FUCKED!
    https://x.com/ryankatzrosene/status/2012342028919574902
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475


    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
    @WarMonitor3
    ·
    1h
    If there is one lesson to be learned from history, it's never corner a European nation, and definitely not all of them at once.

    I suppose Europe does have a lot of experience fighting wars. Mostly against each other, granted, but still.
    Before the age of missles and drones you couldn't bring people any closer together than when they were fighting one another on a battlefield!
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
    I looked at it for my small portfolio. Not for me. Dividend cover is very weak for a start and it seems reliant on just Warhammer.

    Surely the incels will tire of it one day.

    Why can’t they monetise it on a streaming service. Warhammer, the TV series starring Zac Efron and Zooey Deschanel. Or something.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989
    Nigelb said:

    Canadian Twitter is also pissed.

    These fucking tools still don’t get it!? YOU HAD CANADA as your closest most loyal trade partner, coordinating a stance towards China and partnering on continental security! YOU HAD GREENLAND within your sphere of influence, with ALL OF EUROPE ready to have your back, securing continental security! But then your Orange Moron in Chief fucked it ALL by stabbing his allies in the back, launching trade wars against allies which directly contradicted the very trade agreements HE FUCKING NEGOTIATED in the first place! Threatening MILITARY ANNEXATION OF NATO ALLIES (some ‘Peace President!’)! I can’t even with you people - literally screwing over your closest friends and then crying foul when they adjust to the new reality which YOU CAUSED. GET FUCKED!
    https://x.com/ryankatzrosene/status/2012342028919574902

    Perhaps they should put the bottle down then ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    edited January 17
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
    I looked at it for my small portfolio. Not for me. Dividend cover is very weak for a start and it seems reliant on just Warhammer.

    Surely the incels will tire of it one day.

    Why can’t they monetise it on a streaming service. Warhammer, the TV series starring Zac Efron and Zooey Deschanel. Or something.
    Probably in the works. I know people who are very into the various books, and the number of video games based on the property seems to have soared in the last 10 years.

    Edit:

    I'd be interested in getting into the series, but I see there re 64 books alone in the Horus Heresy sequence, goddamn.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,916

    nico67 said:

    Just imagine the chaos if Kamala had been elected !

    I’d happily pay an extra tax to support the economy so we can tell Trump to go fxck himself .

    And his puppet master Miller now saying if you can’t defend your territory you can’t own it . Essentially how many smaller countries does that mean the USA wants for so called global peace !

    Ireland is fvcked then.
    Yes, pretty much.

    If the Brits come back before the Yanks invade then at least Ireland's food surplus solves Britain's strategic weakness of being a major food importer, but I don't know how you'd do that without creating a pro-Trump insurgency in Ireland.

    One of the Irish journalists did point out that Ireland is in the Western Hemisphere, and the Americans had laid claim to the place, but no-one else seemed to notice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389
    We put a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs because you asked us to. You thanked Canada by hammering us with tariffs, threatening to tear up free trade, and insisting we become "the 51 state."
    Now we're at fault for going back to the earlier status quo?
    You are ridiculous people.

    https://x.com/dgardner/status/2012592176702673273
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Canadian Twitter is also pissed.

    These fucking tools still don’t get it!? YOU HAD CANADA as your closest most loyal trade partner, coordinating a stance towards China and partnering on continental security! YOU HAD GREENLAND within your sphere of influence, with ALL OF EUROPE ready to have your back, securing continental security! But then your Orange Moron in Chief fucked it ALL by stabbing his allies in the back, launching trade wars against allies which directly contradicted the very trade agreements HE FUCKING NEGOTIATED in the first place! Threatening MILITARY ANNEXATION OF NATO ALLIES (some ‘Peace President!’)! I can’t even with you people - literally screwing over your closest friends and then crying foul when they adjust to the new reality which YOU CAUSED. GET FUCKED!
    https://x.com/ryankatzrosene/status/2012342028919574902

    Perhaps they should put the bottle down then ?
    Different idiom over there, as you know.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 133,018

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
    You have no idea what you are talking about re Greenland

    It is 9 times the size of the UK with the main population in Nuuk and yes I have been there

    If Trumps wants it no military action will stop him and your idea the Greenlanders would be a Dads Army is ludicous


    Trump not only has to take it and he would immediately be at war with Denmark if he tried, maybe the rest of Nato too, he then has to occupy it with a hostile population who would go out of their way to destroy US infrastructure and kill US troops given the chance.

    Plus he would likely be facing impeachment by Congress at home
    You keep repeating this Dads Army nonsense

    Where is this US infrastructure you talk about in relation to the population ?

    Well if they were occupying it they would need bases, transportation, food storage, energy supplies etc all of which would be targets immediately for terrorist bombings and attacks by the resistant population
    They already have bases and if you think Greenlanders will take up arms v the US you are in the same place that sending tanks to Scotland would work
    Well of course they would if invaded, 85% of Greenlanders do not want to be American and of course Greenland is part of Denmark as Scotland is part of the UK so Denmark would be at war with the US too.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/10/greenlanders-dont-want-to-be-americans-say-political-leaders-amid-trump-threats

  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,425

    nico67 said:

    Just imagine the chaos if Kamala had been elected !

    I’d happily pay an extra tax to support the economy so we can tell Trump to go fxck himself .

    And his puppet master Miller now saying if you can’t defend your territory you can’t own it . Essentially how many smaller countries does that mean the USA wants for so called global peace !

    Ireland is fvcked then.
    Yes, pretty much.

    If the Brits come back before the Yanks invade then at least Ireland's food surplus solves Britain's strategic weakness of being a major food importer, but I don't know how you'd do that without creating a pro-Trump insurgency in Ireland.

    One of the Irish journalists did point out that Ireland is in the Western Hemisphere, and the Americans had laid claim to the place, but no-one else seemed to notice.
    The Republic of Ireland isn't doing anything to defend itself....
    Therefore, we should have it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989

    nico67 said:

    Just imagine the chaos if Kamala had been elected !

    I’d happily pay an extra tax to support the economy so we can tell Trump to go fxck himself .

    And his puppet master Miller now saying if you can’t defend your territory you can’t own it . Essentially how many smaller countries does that mean the USA wants for so called global peace !

    Ireland is fvcked then.
    Yes, pretty much.

    If the Brits come back before the Yanks invade then at least Ireland's food surplus solves Britain's strategic weakness of being a major food importer, but I don't know how you'd do that without creating a pro-Trump insurgency in Ireland.

    One of the Irish journalists did point out that Ireland is in the Western Hemisphere, and the Americans had laid claim to the place, but no-one else seemed to notice.
    The Republic of Ireland isn't doing anything to defend itself....
    Therefore, we should have it.
    We did once. So we did.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,916
    edited January 17
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
    I looked at it for my small portfolio. Not for me. Dividend cover is very weak for a start and it seems reliant on just Warhammer.

    Surely the incels will tire of it one day.

    Why can’t they monetise it on a streaming service. Warhammer, the TV series starring Zac Efron and Zooey Deschanel. Or something.
    They have an agreement with Amazon to do that. Henry Cavill is a Warhammer fan who is a producer on the project.

    And new incels are born every day (charmed, I am).

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475

    nico67 said:

    Just imagine the chaos if Kamala had been elected !

    I’d happily pay an extra tax to support the economy so we can tell Trump to go fxck himself .

    And his puppet master Miller now saying if you can’t defend your territory you can’t own it . Essentially how many smaller countries does that mean the USA wants for so called global peace !

    Ireland is fvcked then.
    Yes, pretty much.

    If the Brits come back before the Yanks invade then at least Ireland's food surplus solves Britain's strategic weakness of being a major food importer, but I don't know how you'd do that without creating a pro-Trump insurgency in Ireland.

    One of the Irish journalists did point out that Ireland is in the Western Hemisphere, and the Americans had laid claim to the place, but no-one else seemed to notice.
    Hope they don't define things too literally, or what happens to us given we are split by the Prime Meridian?

    (In fairness very little lies in the Eastern Hemisphere)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,496
    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @reuters.com‬

    US official says EU should consider separating Greenland tariff issue from US trade deal

    WTF does that even mean?
    It means that they don’t like the EU response of suspending the trade talks
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,030
    nico67 said:

    Just imagine the chaos if Kamala had been elected !

    I’d happily pay an extra tax to support the economy so we can tell Trump to go fxck himself .

    And his puppet master Miller now saying if you can’t defend your territory you can’t own it . Essentially how many smaller countries does that mean the USA wants for so called global peace !

    That argument would convince me to accept 3p on income tax. “Piss off Donald” funds.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,951
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
    I looked at it for my small portfolio. Not for me. Dividend cover is very weak for a start and it seems reliant on just Warhammer.

    Surely the incels will tire of it one day.

    Why can’t they monetise it on a streaming service. Warhammer, the TV series starring Zac Efron and Zooey Deschanel. Or something.
    Probably in the works. I know people who are very into the various books, and the number of video games based on the property seems to have soared in the last 10 years.

    Edit:

    I'd be interested in getting into the series, but I see there re 64 books alone in the Horus Heresy sequence, goddamn.
    You can read almost all of them after the first 4 as individual stories so you can choose how far you go through the series.

    For a shorter series which still captures the feel of the 40K Universe I would recommend the Gaunts Ghosts series.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
    I looked at it for my small portfolio. Not for me. Dividend cover is very weak for a start and it seems reliant on just Warhammer.

    Surely the incels will tire of it one day.

    Why can’t they monetise it on a streaming service. Warhammer, the TV series starring Zac Efron and Zooey Deschanel. Or something.
    They have an agreement with Amazon to do that. Henry Cavill is a Warhammer fan who is a producer on the project.

    And new incels are born every day (charmed, I am).

    That’s quite an impressive looking model.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,951
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    It will depend on the inco terms. Unless DDP then importer pays all duties and tariffs. Most trades to US or out of US, for goods (not services) aren’t DDP.

    A commercial decision to reduce prices to offset the tariffs still means the tariff gets paid by the importer (caveat above)

    There is also the currency difference to be considered.

    Games Workshop stock price is up by over 40% last 12 months. They have had a record year. Warhammer seems popular. If they grow their volume then they can easily make up any lost profit.
    GW are opening a Warhammer World in the US in 2027 and already have some of their production over there for the US market. Their exposure to tariffs will be very limited.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,916
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
    I looked at it for my small portfolio. Not for me. Dividend cover is very weak for a start and it seems reliant on just Warhammer.

    Surely the incels will tire of it one day.

    Why can’t they monetise it on a streaming service. Warhammer, the TV series starring Zac Efron and Zooey Deschanel. Or something.
    Probably in the works. I know people who are very into the various books, and the number of video games based on the property seems to have soared in the last 10 years.

    Edit:

    I'd be interested in getting into the series, but I see there re 64 books alone in the Horus Heresy sequence, goddamn.
    The normal advice is to start with the Inquisitor Eisenhorn trilogy: Xenos, Malleus, Hereticus.

    And there are various lists of the more important books in the Heresy series if you want to stick to the main narrative and avoid all the bloat.
  • Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
    I looked at it for my small portfolio. Not for me. Dividend cover is very weak for a start and it seems reliant on just Warhammer.

    Surely the incels will tire of it one day.

    Why can’t they monetise it on a streaming service. Warhammer, the TV series starring Zac Efron and Zooey Deschanel. Or something.
    I worked on the initial float, in 1994, when it was a much smaller less valuable company. I wish I could say this had allowed me a unique insight into when to buy and when to sell but it hasn't.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,184
    .
    Nigelb said:

    Canadian Twitter is also pissed.

    These fucking tools still don’t get it!? YOU HAD CANADA as your closest most loyal trade partner, coordinating a stance towards China and partnering on continental security! YOU HAD GREENLAND within your sphere of influence, with ALL OF EUROPE ready to have your back, securing continental security! But then your Orange Moron in Chief fucked it ALL by stabbing his allies in the back, launching trade wars against allies which directly contradicted the very trade agreements HE FUCKING NEGOTIATED in the first place! Threatening MILITARY ANNEXATION OF NATO ALLIES (some ‘Peace President!’)! I can’t even with you people - literally screwing over your closest friends and then crying foul when they adjust to the new reality which YOU CAUSED. GET FUCKED!
    https://x.com/ryankatzrosene/status/2012342028919574902

    You can’t really disagree with any of that. Even most of the Republicans in Congress know it.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,916

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    It will depend on the inco terms. Unless DDP then importer pays all duties and tariffs. Most trades to US or out of US, for goods (not services) aren’t DDP.

    A commercial decision to reduce prices to offset the tariffs still means the tariff gets paid by the importer (caveat above)

    There is also the currency difference to be considered.

    Games Workshop stock price is up by over 40% last 12 months. They have had a record year. Warhammer seems popular. If they grow their volume then they can easily make up any lost profit.
    GW are opening a Warhammer World in the US in 2027 and already have some of their production over there for the US market. Their exposure to tariffs will be very limited.
    They shut down their US production ages ago.

    Wargames Atlantic are going to the trouble of shipping moulds back and forth across the Atlantic to do manufacturing on both sides, which I thought was a mad thing no-one would ever do, so perhaps GW will consider it in the future, but they aren't doing it now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    Are they just drowned out by all the noise, or because they are already outraged by a dozen different things it slips through, as I don't recall seeing much from US Democrats getting much billing in reporting. I guess they are inconsequential on this issue since it is only GOP holdouts who matter legislatively.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,184

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    I’m not sure that “melt” is the word I’d use in respect of Greenland…
    The reason why some people around Trump are interested in Greenland is precisely because global climate change is seeing the country melt, allowing access to mineral wealth, so it is perhaps a good choice of word!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    Nigelb said:



    One thing is for sure, and that's appeasing the fucker doesn't work.

    Standing up to bullies is often really terrible specific advice (even though it is good general advice), and surely in geopolitical terms a lot lot more complicated, but there doesn't seem much advantage to agreeing terms on things when an unconnected issue has a high probability of cropping up and derailing everything.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    It will depend on the inco terms. Unless DDP then importer pays all duties and tariffs. Most trades to US or out of US, for goods (not services) aren’t DDP.

    A commercial decision to reduce prices to offset the tariffs still means the tariff gets paid by the importer (caveat above)

    There is also the currency difference to be considered.

    Games Workshop stock price is up by over 40% last 12 months. They have had a record year. Warhammer seems popular. If they grow their volume then they can easily make up any lost profit.
    GW are opening a Warhammer World in the US in 2027 and already have some of their production over there for the US market. Their exposure to tariffs will be very limited.
    They shut down their US production ages ago.

    Wargames Atlantic are going to the trouble of shipping moulds back and forth across the Atlantic to do manufacturing on both sides, which I thought was a mad thing no-one would ever do, so perhaps GW will consider it in the future, but they aren't doing it now.
    Why ship moulds back and forth ? Why not just make some new ones for local production or if they have multiple sets just transfer some ?

    They cannot be their only set. What if they went astray. They’d be screwed.

    Also, depending on the size of the moulds, the cost of shipping will be expensive too.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,661
    So, what happens next?

    Does the Mad King back down, or does Congress (or SCOTUS) hand him the L?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    edited January 17
    Scott_xP said:

    So, what happens next?

    Does the Mad King back down, or does Congress (or SCOTUS) hand him the L?

    Hmm, the unstoppable force versus the incredibly pliant, movable objects? Hard call.

    (Ok, he does change his mind and chicken out on some threats)
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    Games Workshop, like its customers, is a bit special.
    I looked at it for my small portfolio. Not for me. Dividend cover is very weak for a start and it seems reliant on just Warhammer.

    Surely the incels will tire of it one day.

    Why can’t they monetise it on a streaming service. Warhammer, the TV series starring Zac Efron and Zooey Deschanel. Or something.
    I worked on the initial float, in 1994, when it was a much smaller less valuable company. I wish I could say this had allowed me a unique insight into when to buy and when to sell but it hasn't.
    Well,it’s up,by about 15,000% since then according to Google Finance !!

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,127
    edited January 17
    Steamer should announce we are ready and willing to host a breakaway World Cup if necessary.
    We actually have the infrastructure in place.
    Prepare draft plan with schedule and stadia.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,030
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    It will depend on the inco terms. Unless DDP then importer pays all duties and tariffs. Most trades to US or out of US, for goods (not services) aren’t DDP.

    A commercial decision to reduce prices to offset the tariffs still means the tariff gets paid by the importer (caveat above)

    There is also the currency difference to be considered.

    Games Workshop stock price is up by over 40% last 12 months. They have had a record year. Warhammer seems popular. If they grow their volume then they can easily make up any lost profit.
    GW are opening a Warhammer World in the US in 2027 and already have some of their production over there for the US market. Their exposure to tariffs will be very limited.
    They shut down their US production ages ago.

    Wargames Atlantic are going to the trouble of shipping moulds back and forth across the Atlantic to do manufacturing on both sides, which I thought was a mad thing no-one would ever do, so perhaps GW will consider it in the future, but they aren't doing it now.
    Why ship moulds back and forth ? Why not just make some new ones for local production or if they have multiple sets just transfer some ?

    They cannot be their only set. What if they went astray. They’d be screwed.

    Also, depending on the size of the moulds, the cost of shipping will be expensive too.
    It’s thin margins and moulds/tools representing £10ks of investment, not to mention the skills required to use them properly. Less of an issue if you’re GW, but if you’re GW you can just ship there.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,030
    dixiedean said:

    Steamer should announce we are ready and willing to host a breakaway World Cup if necessary.
    We actually have the infrastructure in place.
    Prepare draft plan with schedule and stadia.

    Not fair on Canada and Mexico. They should just get extra games.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,347

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    You are absolutely right. The PB consensus embarrassing themselves tonight by not understanding the intellectual basis of what Trump is doing.
    Trump's an intellectual??
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,837
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
    You have no idea what you are talking about re Greenland

    It is 9 times the size of the UK with the main population in Nuuk and yes I have been there

    If Trumps wants it no military action will stop him and your idea the Greenlanders would be a Dads Army is ludicous


    Trump not only has to take it and he would immediately be at war with Denmark if he tried, maybe the rest of Nato too, he then has to occupy it with a hostile population who would go out of their way to destroy US infrastructure and kill US troops given the chance.

    Plus he would likely be facing impeachment by Congress at home
    And meanwhile US bases across Europe are put in a rather vulnerable position.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    edited January 17

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I actually think Greenlandschluss will be popular with DJT's base because it's owning the libs/EU, getting them out of NATO and Makes America Great Again.

    Plenty of people in the UK would get behind a similar project if we had the military and economic might to do it.

    Buying Greenland is popular with Republicans as the poll I showed earlier said (but not invading it), US voters overall though are opposed once Democrats and Independents are included
    Realistically speaking any US invasion of Greenland is going to be over as soon as anyone hears that it is happening, and so there's going to be nothing for US voters to oppose.

    Once the deed has been done I don't see many Republican voters being in favour of withdrawing with their tail between their legs.
    You would also have to occupy it and plenty of Greenlanders would be willing to form an armed resistance, perhaps even with arms supplied by the Danes and then the US bodybags would start.

    Democrats and Independents and therefore most Americans would be opposed anyway and there would certainly be enough Republicans in Congress willing to break lines to join them and impeach Trump and maybe even convict
    Armed resistance? The population of Greenland is about that of a small British town, roughly that of Canterbury (just the settlement proper, not even the wider district) so we’re not taking a huge number of potential Maquisards.
    So? It is a vast land to hide out in and take potshots at invading troops, blow up their infrastructure etc and then melt back into the icy tundra and igloos
    You can't really hide out in most of Greenland. It's a vast ice sheet 3km tall. It would be a bit like trying to fight a guerilla war on the surface of Mars.
    Trump can take it at will whenever he wants as resistance would be futile

    Never mind, John Swinney expects a majority SNP Holyrood in May and will demand a referendum on independence

    @HYUFD will have all his time taken up on his tank invasion of Scotland from Epping !!!!
    You are pathetic some times BigG, rant about Trump and would then let him walk all over you when it actually comes to it.

    If he did invade it before he was impeached and convicted by Congress Greenlanders would of course fight the invasion and he would also be at war with Denmark as it is Danish land.

    Swinney can expect what he wants, the UK government will refuse an indyref2 and he can do sod all about it legally as the UKSC affirmed (not that many polls give an SNP majority anyway)
    You have no idea what you are talking about re Greenland

    It is 9 times the size of the UK with the main population in Nuuk and yes I have been there

    If Trumps wants it no military action will stop him and your idea the Greenlanders would be a Dads Army is ludicous


    Trump not only has to take it and he would immediately be at war with Denmark if he tried, maybe the rest of Nato too, he then has to occupy it with a hostile population who would go out of their way to destroy US infrastructure and kill US troops given the chance.

    Plus he would likely be facing impeachment by Congress at home
    And meanwhile US bases across Europe are put in a rather vulnerable position.
    At least when we give up Chagos to Mauritius it spares the theoretical blushes when the Americans 'take' it from us.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389
    edited January 17
    kle4 said:

    Are they just drowned out by all the noise, or because they are already outraged by a dozen different things it slips through, as I don't recall seeing much from US Democrats getting much billing in reporting. I guess they are inconsequential on this issue since it is only GOP holdouts who matter legislatively.

    The truth is probably that they've not yet had time to coordinate much if a response, but quite a few are pushing back.

    For example.

    He’s a mad king, increasingly disinhibited, surrounded by yes men. He’s driving up the cost of everything in order to finance his ego trips and angry fantasies. People want affordable food and electricity and housing and healthcare and this isn’t entertaining anymore.
    https://x.com/brianschatz/status/2012614075004440959

    Take note: the take it or leave it demands Trump is issuing America’s own treaty allies over Greenland are harsher than most anything he has said or threatened to Putin and Russia.
    https://x.com/jimsciutto/status/2012626848325243233

    Troops from European countries are arriving in Greenland to defend the territory from us. Let that sink in. And now Trump is setting tariffs on our allies, making you pay more to try to get territory we don’t need. The damage this President is doing to our reputation and our relationships is growing, making us less safe. If something doesn’t change we will be on our own with adversaries and enemies in every direction. Republicans in Congress need to stand up to Trump.
    https://x.com/SenMarkKelly/status/2012649018183049506


  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,127
    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Steamer should announce we are ready and willing to host a breakaway World Cup if necessary.
    We actually have the infrastructure in place.
    Prepare draft plan with schedule and stadia.

    Not fair on Canada and Mexico. They should just get extra games.
    OK.
    Then consult with Canada and Mexico for a possible arrangement.
    Neither country has enough suitable stadia. We do.
    Get on it. Stat.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,389
    Never in my life have I so thoroughly sided with Europe in a disagreement with the United States. They are right and America is in the wrong here. The White House is behaving dishonorably, and the legislators who know it but do nothing are cowards.
    https://x.com/JonahDispatch/status/2012651478020739276
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989
    edited January 17
    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    It will depend on the inco terms. Unless DDP then importer pays all duties and tariffs. Most trades to US or out of US, for goods (not services) aren’t DDP.

    A commercial decision to reduce prices to offset the tariffs still means the tariff gets paid by the importer (caveat above)

    There is also the currency difference to be considered.

    Games Workshop stock price is up by over 40% last 12 months. They have had a record year. Warhammer seems popular. If they grow their volume then they can easily make up any lost profit.
    GW are opening a Warhammer World in the US in 2027 and already have some of their production over there for the US market. Their exposure to tariffs will be very limited.
    They shut down their US production ages ago.

    Wargames Atlantic are going to the trouble of shipping moulds back and forth across the Atlantic to do manufacturing on both sides, which I thought was a mad thing no-one would ever do, so perhaps GW will consider it in the future, but they aren't doing it now.
    Why ship moulds back and forth ? Why not just make some new ones for local production or if they have multiple sets just transfer some ?

    They cannot be their only set. What if they went astray. They’d be screwed.

    Also, depending on the size of the moulds, the cost of shipping will be expensive too.
    It’s thin margins and moulds/tools representing £10ks of investment, not to mention the skills required to use them properly. Less of an issue if you’re GW, but if you’re GW you can just ship there.

    It’s WarGames Atlantic doing it.

    Well if they ship back and forth clearly both sides have the skill to not only use them but service and maintain them. They won’t just ship from factory A to factory B and run perfectly. They will have been packed for transport so will need stripping and reassembling.

    If they are the only set then it’s a massive risk if they go astray. Still I guess they must do risk mitigation on these things and deemed it not an issue.

    The investment in the tooling can be depreciated over the life of the product, several years. Paid upfront from the tooling budget but depreciated over several years.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,030
    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Steamer should announce we are ready and willing to host a breakaway World Cup if necessary.
    We actually have the infrastructure in place.
    Prepare draft plan with schedule and stadia.

    Not fair on Canada and Mexico. They should just get extra games.
    OK.
    Then consult with Canada and Mexico for a possible arrangement.
    Neither country has enough suitable stadia. We do.
    Get on it. Stat.
    Well we could make it easier to host by reducing the number of countries….
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,989
    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    biggles said:

    dixiedean said:

    Steamer should announce we are ready and willing to host a breakaway World Cup if necessary.
    We actually have the infrastructure in place.
    Prepare draft plan with schedule and stadia.

    Not fair on Canada and Mexico. They should just get extra games.
    OK.
    Then consult with Canada and Mexico for a possible arrangement.
    Neither country has enough suitable stadia. We do.
    Get on it. Stat.
    Well we could make it easier to host by reducing the number of countries….
    48 now.

    Nearly a quarter of the worlds nations.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,577
    dixiedean said:

    Steamer should announce we are ready and willing to host a breakaway World Cup if necessary.
    We actually have the infrastructure in place.
    Prepare draft plan with schedule and stadia.

    Football's coming home.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,031
    Maybe we should ban social media for everyone, not just under 16s.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,577

    OSINTtechnical
    @Osinttechnical
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    1h
    The crisis has escalated to the point where EU politicians are meeting on a Sunday.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,661


    OSINTtechnical
    @Osinttechnical
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    1h
    The crisis has escalated to the point where EU politicians are meeting on a Sunday.

    If they were smart, Republicans would also be meeting tomorrow to see if they can solve their own problem
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,127
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe we should ban social media for everyone, not just under 16s.

    I certainly think the over 60's are far less savvy users than the under 16's.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    edited 12:15AM
    Scott_xP said:


    OSINTtechnical
    @Osinttechnical
    ·
    1h
    The crisis has escalated to the point where EU politicians are meeting on a Sunday.

    If they were smart, Republicans would also be meeting tomorrow to see if they can solve their own problem
    They don't believe there is a problem.

    What are allies but targets for American punishments?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,951

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    It will depend on the inco terms. Unless DDP then importer pays all duties and tariffs. Most trades to US or out of US, for goods (not services) aren’t DDP.

    A commercial decision to reduce prices to offset the tariffs still means the tariff gets paid by the importer (caveat above)

    There is also the currency difference to be considered.

    Games Workshop stock price is up by over 40% last 12 months. They have had a record year. Warhammer seems popular. If they grow their volume then they can easily make up any lost profit.
    GW are opening a Warhammer World in the US in 2027 and already have some of their production over there for the US market. Their exposure to tariffs will be very limited.
    They shut down their US production ages ago.

    Wargames Atlantic are going to the trouble of shipping moulds back and forth across the Atlantic to do manufacturing on both sides, which I thought was a mad thing no-one would ever do, so perhaps GW will consider it in the future, but they aren't doing it now.
    I understand they are looking at reopening it. And as I say they are planning on opening a Warhammer World in the US in 2027.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,951
    Taz said:

    biggles said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    trump to Europe: "Give US Greenland or I will make Americans pay more for your goods".

    He still seems to think we pay the tariffs rather than the importer.
    FTSE100 company and exporter of goods manufactured in Britain to the US, Games Workshop, has absorbed 100% of the cost of tariffs charged on their exports to the US. That represents 2% off their profit margin, averaged over their global sales.

    That's less profit returned to investors in dividends, less tax paid to the Exchequer.

    The same is true for lots of companies selling goods to the US.
    It will depend on the inco terms. Unless DDP then importer pays all duties and tariffs. Most trades to US or out of US, for goods (not services) aren’t DDP.

    A commercial decision to reduce prices to offset the tariffs still means the tariff gets paid by the importer (caveat above)

    There is also the currency difference to be considered.

    Games Workshop stock price is up by over 40% last 12 months. They have had a record year. Warhammer seems popular. If they grow their volume then they can easily make up any lost profit.
    GW are opening a Warhammer World in the US in 2027 and already have some of their production over there for the US market. Their exposure to tariffs will be very limited.
    They shut down their US production ages ago.

    Wargames Atlantic are going to the trouble of shipping moulds back and forth across the Atlantic to do manufacturing on both sides, which I thought was a mad thing no-one would ever do, so perhaps GW will consider it in the future, but they aren't doing it now.
    Why ship moulds back and forth ? Why not just make some new ones for local production or if they have multiple sets just transfer some ?

    They cannot be their only set. What if they went astray. They’d be screwed.

    Also, depending on the size of the moulds, the cost of shipping will be expensive too.
    It’s thin margins and moulds/tools representing £10ks of investment, not to mention the skills required to use them properly. Less of an issue if you’re GW, but if you’re GW you can just ship there.

    It’s WarGames Atlantic doing it.

    Well if they ship back and forth clearly both sides have the skill to not only use them but service and maintain them. They won’t just ship from factory A to factory B and run perfectly. They will have been packed for transport so will need stripping and reassembling.

    If they are the only set then it’s a massive risk if they go astray. Still I guess they must do risk mitigation on these things and deemed it not an issue.

    The investment in the tooling can be depreciated over the life of the product, several years. Paid upfront from the tooling budget but depreciated over several years.

    Its a shame they moved away from spin moulding in metal. That is easy. You just spin up a set of masters and send them across the pond. Making up new production moulds is simple and cheap. Still the way the majority of figure manufacturers work (including me). I must admit I don't like plastics or the sorts of resins that Warlord make. Definitely metals for me still.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,475
    I am shocked - shocked - that some people on a political message board are also so knowledgable about Warhammer40k
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,425
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    So, what happens next?

    Does the Mad King back down, or does Congress (or SCOTUS) hand him the L?

    Hmm, the unstoppable force versus the incredibly pliant, movable objects? Hard call.

    (Ok, he does change his mind and chicken out on some threats)
    I don't think the GOP understand what a spine is.
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