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SystemSystem Posts: 12,882
edited January 12 in General
Too many tweets – politicalbetting.com

No doubt Zahawi a big name for Reform & helps with momentum. But his resignation was on what the public see as a clear ‘one rule for them’ type scandal they hate – so a risk this, more than previous switches, could blunt Reform’s appeal as ‘different to usual political class’.

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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,385
    First, and Zahawi is a sack.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,206
    edited January 12
    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,028
    Real Madrid have given Alonso the boot. I’m sure Man United will try and get him but maybe he will hold on and see if Liverpool ditch Slot at the end of the season.
  • boulay said:

    Real Madrid have given Alonso the boot. I’m sure Man United will try and get him but maybe he will hold on and see if Liverpool ditch Slot at the end of the season.

    He wants Liverpool.

    He's the best passer I've ever seen.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,174

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    Hardly. Political parties (and supporters) don't let their own actions or culpability slow them down from making criticisms.

    It can genuinely be odd, as many politicians are very bright, and sometimes they will make the calculation that they can get away with some hypocrisy and be right, but other times they can seem totally blindsided by very obvious things.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,385

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    The reason is that she is actually quite a talented politician, and not stupid.

    I'm pretty sure she feels that she needs Starmer's wisdom too. They don't agree, perhaps never will, but their working together is currently in both their interests (and will be for a while).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284
    Deleting old tweets doesn't help if you are famous, someone will notice and it just looks bad. So don't do before or after, just have a line explaining why you've changed your mind.

    Erasing tax issues is even trickier to do of course (as opposed to erasing tax, which is apparently pretty easy if you know the right accountants).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,414

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    Fairly obvious why. She perfectly fits the bill for the John Prescott role of being best able to connect a centrist Labour PM to the party roots whilst having zero chance of winning a general election if she were leader, so not too much of a threat.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,174
    edited January 12
    Omnium said:

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    The reason is that she is actually quite a talented politician, and not stupid.

    I'm pretty sure she feels that she needs Starmer's wisdom too. They don't agree, perhaps never will, but their working together is currently in both their interests (and will be for a while).
    She would stab him in the back in an instant with a full canteen of cutlery if it would advance her career (although thinking about it, that might take longer than an instant...especially the soup spoons)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,206
    Omnium said:

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    The reason is that she is actually quite a talented politician, and not stupid.

    I'm pretty sure she feels that she needs Starmer's wisdom too. They don't agree, perhaps never will, but their working together is currently in both their interests (and will be for a while).
    Disagree on details, agree on big picture (compared with Con or Ref, say) and each has skills the other doesn't.

    See Blair and Prescott.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,573
    I hate the syntax NZ has used on his tweet. Write in full words, man!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    1.I can't see Starmer surviving this year. 2.I can see her back in the saddle after Starmer falls. 3. She doesn't seem like any kind of a Reform fit, particularly when a RefCon "scoouum" coalition look like the next administration.

    Are you looking forward to a RefCon love-in/bunfight?

    And how the Dickens did you get Wordle in two? With a starting word of "adieu" I got it in three, which is my best for a while.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 831
    edited January 12
    If Reform think that picking up Mad Nad Z is going to help them in Wales or Scotland they are going to be very disappointed.

    Vote Reform - get recycled Tory failures.

    As Sun Tzu said 'never interrupt your enemies when they are making a mistake'
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,385
    isam said:

    I’m becoming a PB Tory! But the Conservatives, in Badenoch, Lam & Jenrick, have more oomph than any of the other parties. They actually seem more normal, which isn’t something you’d have said 2-3 years ago

    You probably aren’t saying it now either, but I am!

    Natural party of government.
  • Cookie said:

    I hate the syntax NZ has used on his tweet. Write in full words, man!

    In those days you were limited to 140 characters, huzzah for brevity.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,342
    edited January 12
    John Rentoul seems to be one of the few people who think this is a positive for Reform

    Trickle of defections will become a flood

    Nadhim Zahawi will not be the last former cabinet minister to defect to Reform. As long as Nigel Farage looks as if he might be prime minister, I think the trickle of Conservative defections will become a flood.

    The Tories are responding in the only way they can, branding Zahawi a “has-been”, but he was the future once – he was a good communicator as vaccines minister – and now he will have an afterlife advising Reform candidates on how to run a government.

    Zahawi wasn’t a great co
    mmunicator at his news conference, telling Tony Diver of the Telegraph he had asked a “really stupid question” when it was a pertinent inquiry about Reform’s embrace of vaccine conspiracy theories.

    But if has-beens of Zahawi’s status see Reform as a rehabilitation of offenders scheme, rising stars will see it, rather than the Tory party, as the path to high office.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,585
    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the Tory carpetbaggers to form a cabal and oust Nigel. I really can't see these people - who cut their teeth in the party of subterfuge and ruthless ambition - adhering to the Reform model: that of Nigel as king who commands gushing loyalty. I suspect secret discussions are already underway.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,206
    IanB2 said:

    It’s quite obvious that policy and ideology played no part in this defection; Zahawi simply expected the Tories to gift him a seat in the Lords in return for his previous service (mostly consisting of f***ing things up and then being moved swiftly on), and when they told him that his scandalous past was a problem, he simply chose to jump horses.

    Personal animus and thwarted ambition explain a lot more defections than we all like to admit.

    Matters of high principle are pretty low on the list.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,342
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    CON: 19% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    LDM: 11% (-4)

    Via @tweetfreshwater, 9-11 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Nov
    .

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2010764575877026127?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,669
    edited January 12
    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,586
    Oh, dear. Quite the journey he's travelled.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,021

    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the Tory carpetbaggers to form a cabal and oust Nigel. I really can't see these people - who cut their teeth in the party of subterfuge and ruthless ambition - adhering to the Reform model: that of Nigel as king who commands gushing loyalty. I suspect secret discussions are already underway.

    A very good point!
  • MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Today's bright idea from Labour's planet-brains: ban Photoshop.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,206

    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the Tory carpetbaggers to form a cabal and oust Nigel. I really can't see these people - who cut their teeth in the party of subterfuge and ruthless ambition - adhering to the Reform model: that of Nigel as king who commands gushing loyalty. I suspect secret discussions are already underway.

    Is that possible?

    Doesn't Reform still work on the 'one man, one vote, and that man's name is Nigel' basis?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,414

    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the Tory carpetbaggers to form a cabal and oust Nigel. I really can't see these people - who cut their teeth in the party of subterfuge and ruthless ambition - adhering to the Reform model: that of Nigel as king who commands gushing loyalty. I suspect secret discussions are already underway.

    Nige owns the party......
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388
    Omnium said:

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    The reason is that she is actually quite a talented politician, and not stupid.

    I'm pretty sure she feels that she needs Starmer's wisdom too. They don't agree, perhaps never will, but their working together is currently in both their interests (and will be for a while).
    I see the oxymoronic error in your post. "Starmer's wisdom".
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,867
    isam said:

    I’m becoming a PB Tory! But the Conservatives, in Badenoch, Lam & Jenrick, have more oomph than any of the other parties. They actually seem more normal, which isn’t something you’d have said 2-3 years ago

    You probably aren’t saying it now either, but I am!

    Are you really a PB Tory or are you an anti-Labour or anti-"Left" person who has decided the Conservatives, rather than Reform, are now the most likely group to get Labour out of office?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,464
    isam said:

    John Rentoul seems to be one of the few people who think this is a positive for Reform

    Trickle of defections will become a flood

    Nadhim Zahawi will not be the last former cabinet minister to defect to Reform. As long as Nigel Farage looks as if he might be prime minister, I think the trickle of Conservative defections will become a flood.

    The Tories are responding in the only way they can, branding Zahawi a “has-been”, but he was the future once – he was a good communicator as vaccines minister – and now he will have an afterlife advising Reform candidates on how to run a government.

    Zahawi wasn’t a great co
    mmunicator at his news conference, telling Tony Diver of the Telegraph he had asked a “really stupid question” when it was a pertinent inquiry about Reform’s embrace of vaccine conspiracy theories.

    But if has-beens of Zahawi’s status see Reform as a rehabilitation of offenders scheme, rising stars will see it, rather than the Tory party, as the path to high office.

    And how does that help Reform? To be known as the failed Tory retreads party?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284
    Cookie said:

    I hate the syntax NZ has used on his tweet. Write in full words, man!

    I have a particular hate for addressing political opponents with twitter handles when not part of an ongoing discussion. If you're going to attack, say, Trump, there's no need to refer to him as realdonaldtrump or whatever his handle is.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,669

    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the Tory carpetbaggers to form a cabal and oust Nigel. I really can't see these people - who cut their teeth in the party of subterfuge and ruthless ambition - adhering to the Reform model: that of Nigel as king who commands gushing loyalty. I suspect secret discussions are already underway.

    Is that possible?

    Doesn't Reform still work on the 'one man, one vote, and that man's name is Nigel' basis?
    I'm picking up a bit of rumble about it being difficult to leave, from a few people who joined on impulse and want to reverse ferret.

    But that is a thing in various ways with all parties, I think. I still occasionally get a members' mail from the Tories several years down the road.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388
    AnneJGP said:

    Oh, dear. Quite the journey he's travelled.

    From Iraq to Hell via the Tory Party?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284

    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the Tory carpetbaggers to form a cabal and oust Nigel. I really can't see these people - who cut their teeth in the party of subterfuge and ruthless ambition - adhering to the Reform model: that of Nigel as king who commands gushing loyalty. I suspect secret discussions are already underway.

    It's clear from numerous examples that people find it very hard to work with Farage over long periods, but i think we're a long way off that fatally wounding his current prospects.

    If Reform win hundreds of seats a group of untested true believers and proven defectors may be hard for him to handle though, given prior personnel issues.

    And as Boris and Keir could tell him, winning big does not prevent internal troubles entirely.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,028
    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284

    isam said:

    John Rentoul seems to be one of the few people who think this is a positive for Reform

    Trickle of defections will become a flood

    Nadhim Zahawi will not be the last former cabinet minister to defect to Reform. As long as Nigel Farage looks as if he might be prime minister, I think the trickle of Conservative defections will become a flood.

    The Tories are responding in the only way they can, branding Zahawi a “has-been”, but he was the future once – he was a good communicator as vaccines minister – and now he will have an afterlife advising Reform candidates on how to run a government.

    Zahawi wasn’t a great co
    mmunicator at his news conference, telling Tony Diver of the Telegraph he had asked a “really stupid question” when it was a pertinent inquiry about Reform’s embrace of vaccine conspiracy theories.

    But if has-beens of Zahawi’s status see Reform as a rehabilitation of offenders scheme, rising stars will see it, rather than the Tory party, as the path to high office.

    And how does that help Reform? To be known as the failed Tory retreads party?
    If they seem to be the right wing option winning support and galvanising people then being the home for the failed and disaffected is still a net positive. The Tories can dismiss the individual cases, but if no one is going the other way one looks strong the other weak.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,669
    Minnesota needs to join Canada:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1jPn8psjkr0
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,585
    Wow. I see that Nadhim is now stating that under Labour Britain is turning into Baathist Iraq!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,414
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
    The world would be more interested in censoring the internet if it were flooded with naked images of Donald rather Melania.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,385

    Omnium said:

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    The reason is that she is actually quite a talented politician, and not stupid.

    I'm pretty sure she feels that she needs Starmer's wisdom too. They don't agree, perhaps never will, but their working together is currently in both their interests (and will be for a while).
    I see the oxymoronic error in your post. "Starmer's wisdom".
    Ah but it is just the perceived wisdom from Angela's view.

    But anyway, I see Starmer as Labour's 2nd greatest ever PM. Apart from him making a dog's dinner of everything, I think his heart is in the right (Tory) place.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,271
    MattW said:

    ...Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse"...

    That's an appallingly phrased sentence. Interpreted strictly it states or implies that Kendall believes that AI-generated pictures of children in states of undress are OK provided the child consents. It also implies that Kendall believes that AI-generated pictures of men in states of undress are OK even if the man does not consent. I assume (or at least I hope!) that she does not believe these things.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,118

    isam said:

    John Rentoul seems to be one of the few people who think this is a positive for Reform

    Trickle of defections will become a flood

    Nadhim Zahawi will not be the last former cabinet minister to defect to Reform. As long as Nigel Farage looks as if he might be prime minister, I think the trickle of Conservative defections will become a flood.

    The Tories are responding in the only way they can, branding Zahawi a “has-been”, but he was the future once – he was a good communicator as vaccines minister – and now he will have an afterlife advising Reform candidates on how to run a government.

    Zahawi wasn’t a great co
    mmunicator at his news conference, telling Tony Diver of the Telegraph he had asked a “really stupid question” when it was a pertinent inquiry about Reform’s embrace of vaccine conspiracy theories.

    But if has-beens of Zahawi’s status see Reform as a rehabilitation of offenders scheme, rising stars will see it, rather than the Tory party, as the path to high office.

    And how does that help Reform? To be known as the failed Tory retreads party?
    I think the happiest person today might just be Kemi Badenoch...
  • isamisam Posts: 43,342
    stodge said:

    isam said:

    I’m becoming a PB Tory! But the Conservatives, in Badenoch, Lam & Jenrick, have more oomph than any of the other parties. They actually seem more normal, which isn’t something you’d have said 2-3 years ago

    You probably aren’t saying it now either, but I am!

    Are you really a PB Tory or are you an anti-Labour or anti-"Left" person who has decided the Conservatives, rather than Reform, are now the most likely group to get Labour out of office?
    I wouldn't say I was anti-Labour or anti-left. I spent a great deal of my life voting Labour, and have sympathy with the left, including the Green Party and Jeremy Corbyn. I think it's best to be true to myself, and vote for the party I agree with most at a particular time rather than support a team in the way I support Arsenal, who I want to win whether I agree with the manager and his tactics or not
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,693

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    Because it makes it a bit harder for her to topple him.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,693
    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    CON: 19% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    LDM: 11% (-4)

    Via @tweetfreshwater, 9-11 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Nov
    .

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2010764575877026127?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Terrrrible day for Reform.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,174

    Wow. I see that Nadhim is now stating that under Labour Britain is turning into Baathist Iraq!

    Starmer = Saddam?

    Nah...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,929
    isam said:

    John Rentoul seems to be one of the few people who think this is a positive for Reform

    Trickle of defections will become a flood

    Nadhim Zahawi will not be the last former cabinet minister to defect to Reform. As long as Nigel Farage looks as if he might be prime minister, I think the trickle of Conservative defections will become a flood.

    The Tories are responding in the only way they can, branding Zahawi a “has-been”, but he was the future once – he was a good communicator as vaccines minister – and now he will have an afterlife advising Reform candidates on how to run a government.

    Zahawi wasn’t a great co
    mmunicator at his news conference, telling Tony Diver of the Telegraph he had asked a “really stupid question” when it was a pertinent inquiry about Reform’s embrace of vaccine conspiracy theories.

    But if has-beens of Zahawi’s status see Reform as a rehabilitation of offenders scheme, rising stars will see it, rather than the Tory party, as the path to high office.

    On balance I think a positive for Reform. Firstly because it's a negative for the Conservatives, for all their normal "good riddance". No party likes high profile defectors and Zahawi is such even if Sleaze is his middle name.

    Secondly because it supports a narrative of movement to Reform when it has currently plateaued, albeit high plateau.

    I think the "Tory retreads" argument is overstated. Most people in Reform including supporters are Tory retreads themselves. It also doesn't help the Conservatives by association, unless accompanied by a cleaning of the stables, which clearly isn't happening under Badenoch. It just reminds people, "Ah yes, Zahawi, he was the Tory CoE who fiddled his tax."

    Having said all that, I don't think it will make a big difference in the scheme of things either.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,693

    Wow. I see that Nadhim is now stating that under Labour Britain is turning into Baathist Iraq!

    Starmer = Saddam?

    Nah...
    Similar habit of getting into holes, but Starmer tends to keep digging when he's in one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,174

    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the Tory carpetbaggers to form a cabal and oust Nigel. I really can't see these people - who cut their teeth in the party of subterfuge and ruthless ambition - adhering to the Reform model: that of Nigel as king who commands gushing loyalty. I suspect secret discussions are already underway.

    They will form something as appealling as the bottom of a long-ignored vegetable drawer in the fridge....
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,538
    isam said:

    John Rentoul seems to be one of the few people who think this is a positive for Reform

    Trickle of defections will become a flood

    Nadhim Zahawi will not be the last former cabinet minister to defect to Reform. As long as Nigel Farage looks as if he might be prime minister, I think the trickle of Conservative defections will become a flood.

    The Tories are responding in the only way they can, branding Zahawi a “has-been”, but he was the future once – he was a good communicator as vaccines minister – and now he will have an afterlife advising Reform candidates on how to run a government.

    Zahawi wasn’t a great co
    mmunicator at his news conference, telling Tony Diver of the Telegraph he had asked a “really stupid question” when it was a pertinent inquiry about Reform’s embrace of vaccine conspiracy theories.

    But if has-beens of Zahawi’s status see Reform as a rehabilitation of offenders scheme, rising stars will see it, rather than the Tory party, as the path to high office.

    Conversely, the more Conservative defections to Reform, the less likely it is that Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388

    Wow. I see that Nadhim is now stating that under Labour Britain is turning into Baathist Iraq!

    Starmer = Saddam?

    Nah...
    Apparently Saddam had some redeeming features.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,280
    Cookie said:

    I hate the syntax NZ has used on his tweet. Write in full words, man!

    Ndhm Zhwi is a twt?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,751

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
    Perhaps it's because they aren't horrible people?
    Is the correct answer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    CON: 19% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    LDM: 11% (-4)

    Via @tweetfreshwater, 9-11 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Nov
    .

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2010764575877026127?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Terrrrible day for Reform.
    Peak?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388

    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the Tory carpetbaggers to form a cabal and oust Nigel. I really can't see these people - who cut their teeth in the party of subterfuge and ruthless ambition - adhering to the Reform model: that of Nigel as king who commands gushing loyalty. I suspect secret discussions are already underway.

    They will form something as appealling as the bottom of a long-ignored vegetable drawer in the fridge....
    Talking of magic beans, the Rubicon will be well and truly crossed when Brave Sir Boris takes to the briny onboard the good ship Farage.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,889

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
    Perhaps it's because they aren't horrible people?
    The problem that they may or may not recognise is that it's not just Grok.

    We are now into the world of local text-to-video "AI". Some can run on your computer. Some will automatically buy compute time on the cloud (Amazon etc). More and more, they are being made easy to setup - I saw a test app (for mobile) that just needs you to setup a cloud account with Amazon, and it does the rest.

    So they are going to fall down the rabbit hole of chasing freeware on the internet. See the War On Encryption and the nascent War On VPNs.

    There is no clear answer here - stopping this technology is now nearly impossible. Too put meaningful speed bumps out there would require intrusion on a scale that would make the Chinese State giggle - we are talking about the state having full, continuous, access to your devices.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,751
    isam said:

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    I’m becoming a PB Tory! But the Conservatives, in Badenoch, Lam & Jenrick, have more oomph than any of the other parties. They actually seem more normal, which isn’t something you’d have said 2-3 years ago

    You probably aren’t saying it now either, but I am!

    Are you really a PB Tory or are you an anti-Labour or anti-"Left" person who has decided the Conservatives, rather than Reform, are now the most likely group to get Labour out of office?
    I wouldn't say I was anti-Labour or anti-left. I spent a great deal of my life voting Labour, and have sympathy with the left, including the Green Party and Jeremy Corbyn. I think it's best to be true to myself, and vote for the party I agree with most at a particular time rather than support a team in the way I support Arsenal, who I want to win whether I agree with the manager and his tactics or not
    Not to tempt fate but the Arse are looking good for the title this season. West Ham fans otoh are being sorely tested. Relegation beckons unless they pull their socks up.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,647

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Today's bright idea from Labour's planet-brains: ban Photoshop.
    And oil paints? If we banned everything that could be used for a crime, we wouldn't have much left.

    Just define X as a publisher and hold them liable.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,280

    Wow. I see that Nadhim is now stating that under Labour Britain is turning into Baathist Iraq!

    Starmer = Saddam?

    Nah...
    Who plays the role of Kuwait?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,888
    Zahawi is the biggest Tory beast so far to defect to Reform, a former holder of a great Office of State no less as Chancellor and a member of both Johnson and Truss' Cabinets. As TSE and the tweets show though, his tax affairs and his former attacks on Farage and Reform have muted the damage for Kemi and the Conservatives and created potential problems for Reform
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,526

    Cookie said:

    I hate the syntax NZ has used on his tweet. Write in full words, man!

    Ndhm Zhwi is a twt?
    The 'a' is significant and cannot be skipped. He's more than just a twit.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,707
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
    I think South Park already did that with Trump himself...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,280

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    CON: 19% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    LDM: 11% (-4)

    Via @tweetfreshwater, 9-11 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Nov
    .

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2010764575877026127?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Terrrrible day for Reform.
    "Reform is the Tory Party that Britain deserves, but not the one it needs right now."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388
    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
    Plenty of genuine ones of Melania if you are interested.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,888
    edited January 12

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    CON: 19% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    LDM: 11% (-4)

    Via @tweetfreshwater, 9-11 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Nov
    .

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2010764575877026127?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Terrrrible day for Reform.
    "Reform is the Tory Party that Britain deserves, but not the one it needs right now."
    Reform is the Tory Party of Alan B'Stard for real! If he was still alive, B'Stard would definitely have joined Farage's team by now
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388
    Ratters said:

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
    I think South Park already did that with Trump himself...
    I thought the depiction of a tiny willied bedmate of Satan was genuine. Thanks for the heads up.
  • BREAKING Peers have voted 201 to 169 in favour of a "regret" motion over the Government's Chagos deal.

    This is a formal parliamentary procedure for members to express strong disapproval or concern about the Chagos treaty without actually stopping it from becoming law.

    It sounds like peers have NOT tabled a kill motion which would have stopped the treaty stone dead. This would have been very rare in Parliamentary terms.

    Rumour is the Conservatives did not want a kill motion. Speculation that they may not have wanted to set a precedent for if/when they get back into power. More on @GBNEWS.


    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2010769929440518459
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388
    HYUFD said:

    Zahawi is the biggest Tory beast so far to defect to Reform, a former holder of a great Office of State no less as Chancellor and a member of both Johnson and Truss' Cabinets. As TSE and the tweets show though, his tax affairs and his former attacks on Farage and Reform have muted the damage for Kemi and the Conservatives and created potential problems for Reform

    When Jenrick finally jumps ship the label of "big beast" might not count as he is allegedly just 5ft5.
  • Farage has run for political office SIX times and been an MEP for FIFTEEN yrs - he's as establishment as they come. #leadersdebate

    https://x.com/nadhimzahawi/status/583738777169952768
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284

    BREAKING Peers have voted 201 to 169 in favour of a "regret" motion over the Government's Chagos deal.

    This is a formal parliamentary procedure for members to express strong disapproval or concern about the Chagos treaty without actually stopping it from becoming law.

    It sounds like peers have NOT tabled a kill motion which would have stopped the treaty stone dead. This would have been very rare in Parliamentary terms.

    Rumour is the Conservatives did not want a kill motion. Speculation that they may not have wanted to set a precedent for if/when they get back into power. More on @GBNEWS.


    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2010769929440518459

    Unusually thoughtful of them.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,028

    BREAKING Peers have voted 201 to 169 in favour of a "regret" motion over the Government's Chagos deal.

    This is a formal parliamentary procedure for members to express strong disapproval or concern about the Chagos treaty without actually stopping it from becoming law.

    It sounds like peers have NOT tabled a kill motion which would have stopped the treaty stone dead. This would have been very rare in Parliamentary terms.

    Rumour is the Conservatives did not want a kill motion. Speculation that they may not have wanted to set a precedent for if/when they get back into power. More on @GBNEWS.


    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2010769929440518459

    I would imagine the Chagos deal is moot now as in the new world order I would think Trump would just say it needs to be signed over to the US or he will invade. Sell it to the US.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388
    edited January 12

    Farage has run for political office SIX times and been an MEP for FIFTEEN yrs - he's as establishment as they come. #leadersdebate

    https://x.com/nadhimzahawi/status/583738777169952768

    Although, and this might be crucial, he doesn't possess a Coutts and Co bank account.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,862
    isam said:

    I’m becoming a PB Tory! But the Conservatives, in Badenoch, Lam & Jenrick, have more oomph than any of the other parties. They actually seem more normal, which isn’t something you’d have said 2-3 years ago

    You probably aren’t saying it now either, but I am!

    The polling bears your analysis out:



    They do, however, have a very difficult set of local election results this year to navigate. If they can manage that, and if Kemi and co can continue to be heard (unlike six months ago), then it is far from impossible they could continue their resurgence.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,930
    IanB2 said:

    It’s quite obvious that policy and ideology played no part in this defection; Zahawi simply expected the Tories to gift him a seat in the Lords in return for his previous service (mostly consisting of f***ing things up and then being moved swiftly on), and when they told him that his scandalous past was a problem, he simply chose to jump horses.

    The extent of careerism in changing parties is probably underestimated, especially when the parties aren't all that different in terms of definite policies. Zahaw clearly wasn't going to go anywhere with the Tories, so he's having a go with Reform, where he might even end up as Chancellor. If Reform stood irrevocably for anything in particular that he strongly disagreed with, that would probably be different, but they, and he, don't.

    But it's good news for Reform that the traffic continues one way and keeps them in the news.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,342

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
    Perhaps it's because they aren't horrible people?
    The problem that they may or may not recognise is that it's not just Grok.

    We are now into the world of local text-to-video "AI". Some can run on your computer. Some will automatically buy compute time on the cloud (Amazon etc). More and more, they are being made easy to setup - I saw a test app (for mobile) that just needs you to setup a cloud account with Amazon, and it does the rest.

    So they are going to fall down the rabbit hole of chasing freeware on the internet. See the War On Encryption and the nascent War On VPNs.

    There is no clear answer here - stopping this technology is now nearly impossible. Too put meaningful speed bumps out there would require intrusion on a scale that would make the Chinese State giggle - we are talking about the state having full, continuous, access to your devices.
    Could the advancement of AI have the effect of pushing people back into more real world interactions? It will be nigh on impossible to verify that online interactions are with real people soon, if it isn't already. I have a feeling this will make going out and meeting people more popular.

    In the same way, I think that smartphones have had the side effect of making teenagers behave better, by acting as a kind of maiden aunt.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    I’m becoming a PB Tory! But the Conservatives, in Badenoch, Lam & Jenrick, have more oomph than any of the other parties. They actually seem more normal, which isn’t something you’d have said 2-3 years ago

    You probably aren’t saying it now either, but I am!

    The polling bears your analysis out:



    They do, however, have a very difficult set of local election results this year to navigate. If they can manage that, and if Kemi and co can continue to be heard (unlike six months ago), then it is far from impossible they could continue their resurgence.
    That chart is fascinating: almost exactly 12 months ago, Reform passed the Conservatives and since then the two lines look like a mirror image of each other. And since August, the Green-Labour shares have looked equally inversely correlated.
    With the LDs pootling along doing their own thing.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,043
    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    CON: 19% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    LDM: 11% (-4)

    Via @tweetfreshwater, 9-11 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Nov
    .

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2010764575877026127?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Terrrrible day for Reform.
    "Reform is the Tory Party that Britain deserves, but not the one it needs right now."
    Reform is the Tory Party of Alan B'Stard for real! If he was still alive, B'Stard would definitely have joined Farage's team by now
    Too chavvy for B'Stard I feel.

    The perfect analog for the Fukkers is the 'The Party of the Average Man' in Nabokov's Bend Sinister. The party leader, Paduk, is even nicknamed the 'The Toad' and Farage has distinctly batrachian features.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,586
    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    That's good, but are these tools specific enough to be banned? Tools can generally be used to create more things than one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,174
    boulay said:

    BREAKING Peers have voted 201 to 169 in favour of a "regret" motion over the Government's Chagos deal.

    This is a formal parliamentary procedure for members to express strong disapproval or concern about the Chagos treaty without actually stopping it from becoming law.

    It sounds like peers have NOT tabled a kill motion which would have stopped the treaty stone dead. This would have been very rare in Parliamentary terms.

    Rumour is the Conservatives did not want a kill motion. Speculation that they may not have wanted to set a precedent for if/when they get back into power. More on @GBNEWS.


    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2010769929440518459

    I would imagine the Chagos deal is moot now as in the new world order I would think Trump would just say it needs to be signed over to the US or he will invade. Sell it to the US.
    We could have gifted it to Trump.

    He'd have loved it.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,250
    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    A pedant notes that the provisions of the Easter Act 1928 are not yet in force but is still unrepealed. I also doubt whether 98 years will be the current record for non-operative legislation.

  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,707
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    I’m becoming a PB Tory! But the Conservatives, in Badenoch, Lam & Jenrick, have more oomph than any of the other parties. They actually seem more normal, which isn’t something you’d have said 2-3 years ago

    You probably aren’t saying it now either, but I am!

    The polling bears your analysis out:



    They do, however, have a very difficult set of local election results this year to navigate. If they can manage that, and if Kemi and co can continue to be heard (unlike six months ago), then it is far from impossible they could continue their resurgence.
    That chart is fascinating: almost exactly 12 months ago, Reform passed the Conservatives and since then the two lines look like a mirror image of each other. And since August, the Green-Labour shares have looked equally inversely correlated.
    I remain convinced of the Tory half life theory.

    The longer it's been since the Tories left office (the radioactive material in this analogy), the less toxic they become.

    And thus the higher the proportion of the Tory-Reform vote they get in the polls.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,174

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    1.I can't see Starmer surviving this year. 2.I can see her back in the saddle after Starmer falls. 3. She doesn't seem like any kind of a Reform fit, particularly when a RefCon "scoouum" coalition look like the next administration.

    Are you looking forward to a RefCon love-in/bunfight?

    And how the Dickens did you get Wordle in two? With a starting word of "adieu" I got it in three, which is my best for a while.
    Try "CRATE"...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,888

    HYUFD said:

    Zahawi is the biggest Tory beast so far to defect to Reform, a former holder of a great Office of State no less as Chancellor and a member of both Johnson and Truss' Cabinets. As TSE and the tweets show though, his tax affairs and his former attacks on Farage and Reform have muted the damage for Kemi and the Conservatives and created potential problems for Reform

    When Jenrick finally jumps ship the label of "big beast" might not count as he is allegedly just 5ft5.
    He won't, he wants to unite the Tories and Reform under his leadership, the best place to do that is staying in the Tories and hoping Farage loses the next GE
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 100,284
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Zahawi is the biggest Tory beast so far to defect to Reform, a former holder of a great Office of State no less as Chancellor and a member of both Johnson and Truss' Cabinets. As TSE and the tweets show though, his tax affairs and his former attacks on Farage and Reform have muted the damage for Kemi and the Conservatives and created potential problems for Reform

    When Jenrick finally jumps ship the label of "big beast" might not count as he is allegedly just 5ft5.
    He won't, he wants to unite the Tories and Reform under his leadership, the best place to do that is staying in the Tories and hoping Farage loses the next GE
    The Tories need an improvement now, not waiting 3 years.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,669
    isam said:

    boulay said:

    MattW said:

    Apologies if I missed this earlier, however a fairly decisive move on Musk / Grok and similar. A provision from the OSA may come into force as soon as this week. *

    The UK will bring into force a law which will make it illegal to create non-consensual intimate images, following widespread concerns over Elon Musk's Grok AI chatbot.

    The Technology Secretary Liz Kendall said the government would also seek to make it illegal for companies to supply the tools designed to create such images.

    Speaking to the Commons, Kendall said AI-generated pictures of women and children in states of undress, created without a person's consent, were not "harmless images" but "weapons of abuse".
    ...
    It is currently illegal to share deepfakes of adults in the UK, but until now legislation which would make it a criminal offence to create or request them has not been enforced, despite passing in June 2025.

    Kendall said she would also make it a "priority offence" in the Online Safety Act.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq845glnvl1o

    * This is I think normal. There are provisions from the Equality Act 2010 which are still not in force in England, unlike Wales and Scotland.

    I’m surprised that those who hate Musk, Trump, Miller and co haven’t just been flooding the internet with naked fake images of Melania, Ivanka, Mrs Miller, Mrs Vance, Nazi Barbie etc generated by Grok so that those senior politicians have to face what is being enabled and suddenly might not find that it falls under free speech.
    Perhaps it's because they aren't horrible people?
    The problem that they may or may not recognise is that it's not just Grok.

    We are now into the world of local text-to-video "AI". Some can run on your computer. Some will automatically buy compute time on the cloud (Amazon etc). More and more, they are being made easy to setup - I saw a test app (for mobile) that just needs you to setup a cloud account with Amazon, and it does the rest.

    So they are going to fall down the rabbit hole of chasing freeware on the internet. See the War On Encryption and the nascent War On VPNs.

    There is no clear answer here - stopping this technology is now nearly impossible. Too put meaningful speed bumps out there would require intrusion on a scale that would make the Chinese State giggle - we are talking about the state having full, continuous, access to your devices.
    Could the advancement of AI have the effect of pushing people back into more real world interactions? It will be nigh on impossible to verify that online interactions are with real people soon, if it isn't already. I have a feeling this will make going out and meeting people more popular.

    In the same way, I think that smartphones have had the side effect of making teenagers behave better, by acting as a kind of maiden aunt.
    I think one thing we will see from Ofcom is a comparison of policies of Grok vs Oher AI.

    Wired, for example, report that Grok is far more lax.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 36,388

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    1.I can't see Starmer surviving this year. 2.I can see her back in the saddle after Starmer falls. 3. She doesn't seem like any kind of a Reform fit, particularly when a RefCon "scoouum" coalition look like the next administration.

    Are you looking forward to a RefCon love-in/bunfight?

    And how the Dickens did you get Wordle in two? With a starting word of "adieu" I got it in three, which is my best for a while.
    Try "CRATE"...
    Hmm. Risky. Only two vowels. If I could find a five letter word with five vowels I'd try that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,888
    edited January 12
    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    CON: 19% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    LDM: 11% (-4)

    Via @tweetfreshwater, 9-11 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Nov
    .

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2010764575877026127?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Who are the LD to Reform defectors? Do they actually follow the policies of the parties they support at all?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,751
    edited January 12

    boulay said:

    BREAKING Peers have voted 201 to 169 in favour of a "regret" motion over the Government's Chagos deal.

    This is a formal parliamentary procedure for members to express strong disapproval or concern about the Chagos treaty without actually stopping it from becoming law.

    It sounds like peers have NOT tabled a kill motion which would have stopped the treaty stone dead. This would have been very rare in Parliamentary terms.

    Rumour is the Conservatives did not want a kill motion. Speculation that they may not have wanted to set a precedent for if/when they get back into power. More on @GBNEWS.


    https://x.com/christopherhope/status/2010769929440518459

    I would imagine the Chagos deal is moot now as in the new world order I would think Trump would just say it needs to be signed over to the US or he will invade. Sell it to the US.
    We could have gifted it to Trump.

    He'd have loved it.
    What I'd like us to gift President Trump, after due consideration of all the potential consequences, is the finger.
  • @TSE - I know this is a bit embarrassing to talk about in public, but have you ever... in your weaker moments... contributed to the bedsore on the backside of the legal profession that is rollonfriday ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,174

    Going to make it much harder for Reform to condemn Big Angie R's comeback if/when it happens. (it's a when, isn't it?)

    It's a when. Starmer feels he needs her by his side, for reasons unfathomable.

    She'd be a better fit in dodgy Reform.
    1.I can't see Starmer surviving this year. 2.I can see her back in the saddle after Starmer falls. 3. She doesn't seem like any kind of a Reform fit, particularly when a RefCon "scoouum" coalition look like the next administration.

    Are you looking forward to a RefCon love-in/bunfight?

    And how the Dickens did you get Wordle in two? With a starting word of "adieu" I got it in three, which is my best for a while.
    Try "CRATE"...
    Hmm. Risky. Only two vowels. If I could find a five letter word with five vowels I'd try that.
    T and R are very useful though. RATES is quite good too.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,043
    HYUFD said:

    isam said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+2)
    LAB: 19% (=)
    CON: 19% (=)
    GRN: 12% (=)
    LDM: 11% (-4)

    Via @tweetfreshwater, 9-11 Jan.
    Changes w/ 28-30 Nov
    .

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2010764575877026127?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Who are the LD to Reform defectors? Do they actually follow the policies of the parties they support at all?
    Big Glenno's a trendsetter.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,888
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Zahawi is the biggest Tory beast so far to defect to Reform, a former holder of a great Office of State no less as Chancellor and a member of both Johnson and Truss' Cabinets. As TSE and the tweets show though, his tax affairs and his former attacks on Farage and Reform have muted the damage for Kemi and the Conservatives and created potential problems for Reform

    When Jenrick finally jumps ship the label of "big beast" might not count as he is allegedly just 5ft5.
    He won't, he wants to unite the Tories and Reform under his leadership, the best place to do that is staying in the Tories and hoping Farage loses the next GE
    The Tories need an improvement now, not waiting 3 years.
    And Kemi is giving that improvement
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,414
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Zahawi is the biggest Tory beast so far to defect to Reform, a former holder of a great Office of State no less as Chancellor and a member of both Johnson and Truss' Cabinets. As TSE and the tweets show though, his tax affairs and his former attacks on Farage and Reform have muted the damage for Kemi and the Conservatives and created potential problems for Reform

    Who can forget one of the all time farcical moments of recent UK politics. Zahawi accepting CoE from Boris then the very next day (!) asking him to resign. That tells all you need to know about him. Pure unadulterated chancer. Reform should suit him very well.
    Sources tell me that Chris Pincher is standing by.

    Nige has gotta keep up the momentum!

  • @TSE - I know this is a bit embarrassing to talk about in public, but have you ever... in your weaker moments... contributed to the bedsore on the backside of the legal profession that is rollonfriday ?

    Not directly.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,888

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Zahawi is the biggest Tory beast so far to defect to Reform, a former holder of a great Office of State no less as Chancellor and a member of both Johnson and Truss' Cabinets. As TSE and the tweets show though, his tax affairs and his former attacks on Farage and Reform have muted the damage for Kemi and the Conservatives and created potential problems for Reform

    Who can forget one of the all time farcical moments of recent UK politics. Zahawi accepting CoE from Boris then the very next day (!) asking him to resign. That tells all you need to know about him. Pure unadulterated chancer. Reform should suit him very well.
    Sources tell me that Chris Pincher is standing by.

    Nige has gotta keep up the momentum!

    Charlie Elphicke and Imran Ahmed Khan also ready for an announcement...
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,414

    HYUFD said:

    Zahawi is the biggest Tory beast so far to defect to Reform, a former holder of a great Office of State no less as Chancellor and a member of both Johnson and Truss' Cabinets. As TSE and the tweets show though, his tax affairs and his former attacks on Farage and Reform have muted the damage for Kemi and the Conservatives and created potential problems for Reform

    When Jenrick finally jumps ship the label of "big beast" might not count as he is allegedly just 5ft5.
    I've encountered him. While he's not a giant, he's certainly not that short.
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