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edited January 8 in General
You should always check the wording of your bets – politicalbetting.com

The online wager platform Polymarket has angered some gamblers by declaring it will not settle millions of dollars’ worth of bets on a US invasion of Venezuela, arguing that the capture of the then president, Nicolás Maduro, does not qualify.

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,531
    First.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,761
    True
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,761
    There are emerging signs that the US Venezuelan escapade may have been planned months back working with Maduro's deputy - who sounds just as bad a piece of work as he was, but presumably more willing to sell herself to the US?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,711
    Given Trump has managed to leave Maduro’s Vice President in charge of Venezuela, now inaugurated as President, Polymarket may have a point. Maduro has been captured but no sign of regime change in Venezuela yet unless the US really does commit to occupy it
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,154
    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,616
    Agreed re header about checking terms. Obvious examples for pb on recurring politics markets include:-
    • Next party leaders (normally acting leaders are excluded)
    • Next cabinet exits (how are wide-ranging reshuffles settled?)
    • Prime Minister exit dates (normally PMs linger until a replacement is found, which can take days or months)
    The first applies to football as well, where caretaker managers are normally ignored for betting purposes.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,399
    With polymarket and similar worth understanding that disputes are not settled by a team as they would be at Betfair but by voting from tokenholders. Doublespeak is baked in so buyer beware.

    Also not available legally in the UK, not sure the GC would accept such a bet resolution process if they did want to get involved here.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,147
    IanB2 said:

    There are emerging signs that the US Venezuelan escapade may have been planned months back working with Maduro's deputy - who sounds just as bad a piece of work as he was, but presumably more willing to sell herself to the US?

    I suggested this a few days ago and several posters said I was talking shite!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,542

    IanB2 said:

    There are emerging signs that the US Venezuelan escapade may have been planned months back working with Maduro's deputy - who sounds just as bad a piece of work as he was, but presumably more willing to sell herself to the US?

    It’s ludicrous & absurd to suggest she would sell herself to the US.

    Rent at reasonable rates, yes.
    If it floats, flies, or fucks, it is always cheaper to rent than buy outright, that was some advice given to me when I was a callow employee about three months into first ever job.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,616
    IanB2 said:

    There are emerging signs that the US Venezuelan escapade may have been planned months back working with Maduro's deputy - who sounds just as bad a piece of work as he was, but presumably more willing to sell herself to the US?

    It is not America's responsibility to safeguard democracy, despite what radical left RINO Reagan may have told us.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,487
    IanB2 said:

    There are emerging signs that the US Venezuelan escapade may have been planned months back working with Maduro's deputy - who sounds just as bad a piece of work as he was, but presumably more willing to sell herself to the US?

    The more interesting question now is which side will renege first
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,384

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    Isn't that an argument in favour of laying things occurring?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,542
    Head coach Brendon McCullum and director of cricket Rob Key will be given the chance to stay on and show they can improve the England set-up, despite the Ashes defeat in Australia.

    McCullum and Key have come under scrutiny after England surrendered the series with losses in the opening three Tests of the best-of-five series.

    Both men and Test captain Ben Stokes have expressed a desire to remain in their positions – McCullum and Stokes have contracts with England until after the home Ashes in 2027.

    And the management of the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are not minded to impose the sweeping changes that often follow Ashes defeats down under.

    Any decision to remove 44-year-old McCullum in particular would have been complicated by the T20 World Cup in Sri Lanka and India, beginning in February.

    Instead, the future of the hierarchy now seems to rest on their willingness to accept the need for change and their ability to enact it.

    How long they are given to make alterations and improve results is unclear. A poor World Cup would increase pressure, then England's next Test is against New Zealand in June.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cd0yjkvxk43o
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,616

    Head coach Brendon McCullum and director of cricket Rob Key will be given the chance to stay on and show they can improve the England set-up, despite the Ashes defeat in Australia.

    McCullum and Key have come under scrutiny after England surrendered the series with losses in the opening three Tests of the best-of-five series.

    Both men and Test captain Ben Stokes have expressed a desire to remain in their positions – McCullum and Stokes have contracts with England until after the home Ashes in 2027.

    And the management of the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are not minded to impose the sweeping changes that often follow Ashes defeats down under.

    Any decision to remove 44-year-old McCullum in particular would have been complicated by the T20 World Cup in Sri Lanka and India, beginning in February.

    Instead, the future of the hierarchy now seems to rest on their willingness to accept the need for change and their ability to enact it.

    How long they are given to make alterations and improve results is unclear. A poor World Cup would increase pressure, then England's next Test is against New Zealand in June.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cd0yjkvxk43o

    Something something fail upwards nu10k.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,238
    Early footage of Stephen Miller’s career as a psychopath (and with hair).

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/2009141918413000948?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,542
    edited January 8
    So that's why Gabby Logan disappeared mid show from MOTD last night.

    Leeds and Wales legend Yorath dies aged 75

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8e5rg2dyxo

    I tell you what is frightening, when more and more celebrities of a similar age to your parents start dying.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,154

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    Isn't that an argument in favour of laying things occurring?
    But they can play it both ways.

    Betfair introduced the novel approach of not settling until months the event was over. Doesn't matter which side you backed in that case. The serious point punters need to consider is who owns and manages such operations. They are typically owned by Funds and managed by kids with no experience in the business or understanding of its nuances. Try writing to them. In the unlikely event you get past the bots you will encounter an astonishing lack of literacy and the common sense of a house plant.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,399

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    Isn't that an argument in favour of laying things occurring?
    Not sure it makes much sense. There are great opportunities on betting exchanges. The exchanges aren't trying to shaft one side of the bet or the other but to make a commission out of it and keep customers happy. With disputes, we need to understand the process, accept that they won't always get it right/agree with us and take that into account with staking on markets with ambiguity. It seems self defeating to limit staking to zero because of those edge cases.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,699
    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,154
    Scott_xP said:

    IanB2 said:

    There are emerging signs that the US Venezuelan escapade may have been planned months back working with Maduro's deputy - who sounds just as bad a piece of work as he was, but presumably more willing to sell herself to the US?

    The more interesting question now is which side will renege first
    This must be the most tantalising political question since the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact was signed.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,726

    So that's why Gabby Logan disappeared mid show from MOTD.

    Leeds and Wales legend Yorath dies aged 75

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8e5rg2dyxo

    I tell you what is frightening, when more and more celebrities of a similar age to your parents start dying.

    Most celebs of my parents age (90 and 92) are already gone.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,399
    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    It will move the needle by a percent or two, for a month or two.

    People have already chosen their sides and aren't backing down.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,659
    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,154
    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    What makes you think Trump supporters use their eyes on anything that might make them question their beliefs?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,542
    Spurs truly are a comedy club that keeps on giving.

    Tottenham’s Thomas Frank says he did not notice using Arsenal-branded cup before Bournemouth game

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6952136/2026/01/07/thomas-frank-tottenham-arsenal-cup/
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,659
    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    The schools in Aberdeenshire are closed again for the fourth day, our bins were cancelled which meant that our main bins were not collected after being delayed already by Christmas by over three weeks, now told to wait for the next collection....!!

    And absolute tumbleweed from this useless SNP Government and their local MPs this week as they ignore serious Ministerial misconduct from one of their own Cabinet Ministers yet again while voting to penalise Ash Reagan doing far less while doing nothing proactive to help us here this last week! Its been a week, the UK media crews have now been up here reporting, where is John Swinney?!..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,542
    Jules Bianchi’s last go-kart stolen from family home

    Philippe Bianchi, the father of the late Formula One driver Jules Bianchi, said on Tuesday that individuals stole multiple JB17 Forever karting chassis, including the last kart Jules raced.

    Jules died on July 17 2015, aged 25, due to injuries sustained in a crash during the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix nine months prior.


    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6950654/2026/01/07/jules-bianchi-karts-stolen-f1/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,761
    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    One video that may shed some light is the final one in the sequence patched together by CNN, which appears to show the left front wing of the car hitting, at low speed, the leg of the ICE officer who did the shooting, as the driver attempts to manoevre her car out of the situation. This doesn't change the only verdict one can reach, watching all the footage, but may be the reason why in the heat of the moment that officer idiotically over-reacted, with tragic consequences.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119

    Agreed re header about checking terms. Obvious examples for pb on recurring politics markets include:-

    • Next party leaders (normally acting leaders are excluded)
    • Next cabinet exits (how are wide-ranging reshuffles settled?)
    • Prime Minister exit dates (normally PMs linger until a replacement is found, which can take days or months)
    The first applies to football as well, where caretaker managers are normally ignored for betting purposes.
    See also markets in impeachment.
    Which is a multi stage process.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,147
    The good news: Cheap tickets available in the Rail Sale!

    The bad news: Trains cancelled due to Storm Goretti.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119

    Head coach Brendon McCullum and director of cricket Rob Key will be given the chance to stay on and show they can improve the England set-up, despite the Ashes defeat in Australia.

    McCullum and Key have come under scrutiny after England surrendered the series with losses in the opening three Tests of the best-of-five series.

    Both men and Test captain Ben Stokes have expressed a desire to remain in their positions – McCullum and Stokes have contracts with England until after the home Ashes in 2027.

    And the management of the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are not minded to impose the sweeping changes that often follow Ashes defeats down under.

    Any decision to remove 44-year-old McCullum in particular would have been complicated by the T20 World Cup in Sri Lanka and India, beginning in February.

    Instead, the future of the hierarchy now seems to rest on their willingness to accept the need for change and their ability to enact it.

    How long they are given to make alterations and improve results is unclear. A poor World Cup would increase pressure, then England's next Test is against New Zealand in June.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cd0yjkvxk43o

    I listened to Stokes being interviewed on R4 this morning.
    Talked about learning lessons, while making it pretty clear that what he intends is to carry on doing everything much the same, but just do it better.

    So I doubt much will change.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,761
    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Fear not, tonight the snow moves from Scotland into England and Wales, even reaching the Midlands and possibly the Cotswolds; places that even London media folk might know.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,531

    Spurs truly are a comedy club that keeps on giving.

    Tottenham’s Thomas Frank says he did not notice using Arsenal-branded cup before Bournemouth game

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6952136/2026/01/07/thomas-frank-tottenham-arsenal-cup/

    Naughty Arsenal leaving them behind on Saturday...
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,931

    Head coach Brendon McCullum and director of cricket Rob Key will be given the chance to stay on and show they can improve the England set-up, despite the Ashes defeat in Australia.

    McCullum and Key have come under scrutiny after England surrendered the series with losses in the opening three Tests of the best-of-five series.

    Both men and Test captain Ben Stokes have expressed a desire to remain in their positions – McCullum and Stokes have contracts with England until after the home Ashes in 2027.

    And the management of the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are not minded to impose the sweeping changes that often follow Ashes defeats down under.

    Any decision to remove 44-year-old McCullum in particular would have been complicated by the T20 World Cup in Sri Lanka and India, beginning in February.

    Instead, the future of the hierarchy now seems to rest on their willingness to accept the need for change and their ability to enact it.

    How long they are given to make alterations and improve results is unclear. A poor World Cup would increase pressure, then England's next Test is against New Zealand in June.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cd0yjkvxk43o

    I don't think they should go, nor should they change their approach.

    I thought it particularly stupid of Vaughan yesterday to attack the current management and style of play in the way he did when Stokes currently has a better record as Test captain than Vaughan in terms of % of Tests won. In fact Stokes has won a higher % of his tests as Captain than any other England Captain since Brearly more than 40 years ago.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,542
    edited January 8
    Harry Brook clashed with nightclub bouncer hours before captaining England

    Exclusive: Brook is on his final warning after incident where he was struck by nightclub bouncer in build-up to the Ashes


    Harry Brook is on a final warning about his conduct after a late-night altercation with a bouncer just hours before captaining England on the tour that preceded the Ashes.

    Telegraph Sport can reveal that:

    Brook was close to being sacked as white-ball captain after an investigation by the team’s management

    He was struck by a bouncer who would not allow him into a nightclub

    Brook was fined around £30,000, the maximum amount possible by the ECB, for the incident

    England’s conduct during the Ashes, which started shortly after the tour to New Zealand, has been heavily criticised – in particular a mid-series holiday to Noosa where players, including Brook, were pictured drinking.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2026/01/08/harry-brook-on-final-warning-altercation-bouncer-england-nz/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119
    It is also important to note where actions the administration has *already taken* vis-a-vis Denmark stand legally.

    In U.S. law, under the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution, ratified treaties are on the same legal footing as federal statutes. This means they bind the executive. Relevant treaties the United States has signed and the Senate has ratified include:

    1) The UN Charter which, under Article 2(4) forbids the "threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state" and Article 2(1) which establishes the principle of the sovereign equality of all its members.

    2) The North Atlantic Treaty which similarly, in Article 1, commits the parties to "settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

    3) The Convention for Cession of the Danish West Indies, which concerned the sale of what are now the U.S. Virgin Islands. In exchange for the islands, the U.S. government issued a formal declaration (attached to the treaty) stating that it "will not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland."

    4) The U.S.-Danish Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation, which stipulates that the property of nationals (and by extension the state) shall not be taken without "the prompt payment of just compensation" and only for "public purposes," which in international law implies a legal and consensual framework, not a forced or coerced annexation.

    https://x.com/EvansRyan202/status/2008901577508008401
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,931
    Nigelb said:

    Head coach Brendon McCullum and director of cricket Rob Key will be given the chance to stay on and show they can improve the England set-up, despite the Ashes defeat in Australia.

    McCullum and Key have come under scrutiny after England surrendered the series with losses in the opening three Tests of the best-of-five series.

    Both men and Test captain Ben Stokes have expressed a desire to remain in their positions – McCullum and Stokes have contracts with England until after the home Ashes in 2027.

    And the management of the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are not minded to impose the sweeping changes that often follow Ashes defeats down under.

    Any decision to remove 44-year-old McCullum in particular would have been complicated by the T20 World Cup in Sri Lanka and India, beginning in February.

    Instead, the future of the hierarchy now seems to rest on their willingness to accept the need for change and their ability to enact it.

    How long they are given to make alterations and improve results is unclear. A poor World Cup would increase pressure, then England's next Test is against New Zealand in June.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cd0yjkvxk43o

    I listened to Stokes being interviewed on R4 this morning.
    Talked about learning lessons, while making it pretty clear that what he intends is to carry on doing everything much the same, but just do it better.

    So I doubt much will change.
    Good.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,384

    Jules Bianchi’s last go-kart stolen from family home

    Philippe Bianchi, the father of the late Formula One driver Jules Bianchi, said on Tuesday that individuals stole multiple JB17 Forever karting chassis, including the last kart Jules raced.

    Jules died on July 17 2015, aged 25, due to injuries sustained in a crash during the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix nine months prior.


    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6950654/2026/01/07/jules-bianchi-karts-stolen-f1/

    Shitty behaviour, even for criminals.

    Bianchi and Leclerc almost certainly would've been Ferrari team mates together. Tragic that multiple individual events led to his death (bad weather, another driver spinning off, poor light, heavy vehicle recovering the other car, then Bianchi goes off and hits the heavy vehicle).
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,699

    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    It will move the needle by a percent or two, for a month or two.

    People have already chosen their sides and aren't backing down.
    Trump's slowly declining net approval ratings (now averaging -12%) suggest it isn't as binary as that.

    And let's face it the vast majority of the remaining 42% or so who support him will be white and not racially enlightened, which is why (depressingly) the ethnicity of the victim matters politically. There will be a lot of sympathy towards the victim and anger towards ICE.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,931
    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    The schools in Aberdeenshire are closed again for the fourth day, our bins were cancelled which meant that our main bins were not collected after being delayed already by Christmas by over three weeks, now told to wait for the next collection....!!

    And absolute tumbleweed from this useless SNP Government and their local MPs this week as they ignore serious Ministerial misconduct from one of their own Cabinet Ministers yet again while voting to penalise Ash Reagan doing far less while doing nothing proactive to help us here this last week! Its been a week, the UK media crews have now been up here reporting, where is John Swinney?!..
    Most of the Oil Companies out at Kingswells and Westhill made the decision to shut their offices for the week after the initial falls. They seem to have more sense than the politicians.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,007
    IanB2 said:

    There are emerging signs that the US Venezuelan escapade may have been planned months back working with Maduro's deputy - who sounds just as bad a piece of work as he was, but presumably more willing to sell herself to the US?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77krp7m362o disputes Rodríguez’ involvement. It remains entirely unclear what Venezuela may or may not do at the US’s behest.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    The schools in Aberdeenshire are closed again for the fourth day, our bins were cancelled which meant that our main bins were not collected after being delayed already by Christmas by over three weeks, now told to wait for the next collection....!!

    And absolute tumbleweed from this useless SNP Government and their local MPs this week as they ignore serious Ministerial misconduct from one of their own Cabinet Ministers yet again while voting to penalise Ash Reagan doing far less while doing nothing proactive to help us here this last week! Its been a week, the UK media crews have now been up here reporting, where is John Swinney?!..
    Good luck with the terrible Aberdeenshire weather, hope you’ve got enough supplies in to last a few days if there’s more snow.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,007

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    I don’t think there’s any wriggling going on here. The US has not invaded Venezuela. They did a very successful snatch and grab operation, but they have not remained in the country, they are not occupying any territory, they’re not in control of anywhere. It’s not an invasion.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Nigelb said:

    Agreed re header about checking terms. Obvious examples for pb on recurring politics markets include:-

    • Next party leaders (normally acting leaders are excluded)
    • Next cabinet exits (how are wide-ranging reshuffles settled?)
    • Prime Minister exit dates (normally PMs linger until a replacement is found, which can take days or months)
    The first applies to football as well, where caretaker managers are normally ignored for betting purposes.
    See also markets in impeachment.
    Which is a multi stage process.
    Yes, Trump was impeached twice in his first term.

    But that’s not what most people think the word means, they’re thinking of conviction in the Senate that forces him from office.

    Check your bet terms carefully.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,761
    Ratters said:

    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    It will move the needle by a percent or two, for a month or two.

    People have already chosen their sides and aren't backing down.
    Trump's slowly declining net approval ratings (now averaging -12%) suggest it isn't as binary as that.

    And let's face it the vast majority of the remaining 42% or so who support him will be white and not racially enlightened, which is why (depressingly) the ethnicity of the victim matters politically. There will be a lot of sympathy towards the victim and anger towards ICE.
    And the victim comes from Colorado, which voted for Trump, so there will be media salience well beyond the blue states
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,582
    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Agree with every word. The powers that be don't care one bit about us - and it isn't just now. The funding rigging to central belt councils is just as bad.

    I spent 2 hours yesterday digging my car out as I saw that the main road looked clearer and I hoped we had seen the worst of it. Ran urgently needed supplies to my mum (16 miles away in Macduff) and went to the supermarket which had most of what we needed but no bread. And then drove home to spend another half an hour digging a new parking space. Overnight? Another 9cm.

    I do have to giggle though. Andrew Bowie MP wrote to the First Minister rightly demanding action. But one action that he wanted was for the government to issue guidance via "leaflets". Who was going to deliver bloody leaflets?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,882

    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    It will move the needle by a percent or two, for a month or two.

    People have already chosen their sides and aren't backing down.
    I wonder.

    Is "law abiding Americans" a meaningful thing? Who haven't been paying attention, think borders do need protecting, accept there will be some rough handling as part of that, but would be appalled by men in masks rampaging communities killing random people.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,726

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    Isn't that an argument in favour of laying things occurring?
    Not sure it makes much sense. There are great opportunities on betting exchanges. The exchanges aren't trying to shaft one side of the bet or the other but to make a commission out of it and keep customers happy. With disputes, we need to understand the process, accept that they won't always get it right/agree with us and take that into account with staking on markets with ambiguity. It seems self defeating to limit staking to zero because of those edge cases.
    I've had no serious problems with betfair. Their delay in settling WH20 was irritating but at the same time offered free money. There aren't many times in life you'll get 1.2 on something after it's happened.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,384
    kinabalu said:

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    Isn't that an argument in favour of laying things occurring?
    Not sure it makes much sense. There are great opportunities on betting exchanges. The exchanges aren't trying to shaft one side of the bet or the other but to make a commission out of it and keep customers happy. With disputes, we need to understand the process, accept that they won't always get it right/agree with us and take that into account with staking on markets with ambiguity. It seems self defeating to limit staking to zero because of those edge cases.
    I've had no serious problems with betfair. Their delay in settling WH20 was irritating but at the same time offered free money. There aren't many times in life you'll get 1.2 on something after it's happened.
    I did once with a sportsbook rather than exchange bet. They refused to pay out for a winning bet on Hamilton doing well because he started in the pit lane (which was public knowledge at the time I made my bet). Got fobbed off with a 'free bet'.

    Not used their sportsbook since.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,582
    With Trump's SA goons murdering that woman and people defending the SA, I do wonder if we're rapidly approaching the tipping point. "Get the fuck out of" our city vs SA goons literally shooting people in the head.

    You know that 2nd Amendment? That it mentions militias? Now would be an opportune moment for militias to be formed, to defend themselves against the SA goons murdering people in the street.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,571

    So that's why Gabby Logan disappeared mid show from MOTD last night.

    Leeds and Wales legend Yorath dies aged 75

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8e5rg2dyxo

    I tell you what is frightening, when more and more celebrities of a similar age to your parents start dying.

    Even more so when celebrities of a similar age to oneself start dying off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,542
    Oooh err.



    If only they had gotten Travis Head in the picture too.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176

    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    The schools in Aberdeenshire are closed again for the fourth day, our bins were cancelled which meant that our main bins were not collected after being delayed already by Christmas by over three weeks, now told to wait for the next collection....!!

    And absolute tumbleweed from this useless SNP Government and their local MPs this week as they ignore serious Ministerial misconduct from one of their own Cabinet Ministers yet again while voting to penalise Ash Reagan doing far less while doing nothing proactive to help us here this last week! Its been a week, the UK media crews have now been up here reporting, where is John Swinney?!..
    Most of the Oil Companies out at Kingswells and Westhill made the decision to shut their offices for the week after the initial falls. They seem to have more sense than the politicians.
    It really shouldn’t be a difficult decision to close offices for adverse weather, most nonessential workers now have laptops and VPN connections, modern communications tools allow reasonable productivity as we saw during the pandemic.

    No snow days out here, but we did get a couple of rain days in December with official advice to WFH where possible.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,931

    With Trump's SA goons murdering that woman and people defending the SA, I do wonder if we're rapidly approaching the tipping point. "Get the fuck out of" our city vs SA goons literally shooting people in the head.

    You know that 2nd Amendment? That it mentions militias? Now would be an opportune moment for militias to be formed, to defend themselves against the SA goons murdering people in the street.

    The Mayor made a comment about mobilising the Minnesota National Guard to protect against ICE
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,582
    FF43 said:

    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    It will move the needle by a percent or two, for a month or two.

    People have already chosen their sides and aren't backing down.
    I wonder.

    Is "law abiding Americans" a meaningful thing? Who haven't been paying attention, think borders do need protecting, accept there will be some rough handling as part of that, but would be appalled by men in masks rampaging communities killing random people.
    Some people seem to think that masked thugs rampaging communities and killing people IS law enforcement.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119

    Nigelb said:

    Head coach Brendon McCullum and director of cricket Rob Key will be given the chance to stay on and show they can improve the England set-up, despite the Ashes defeat in Australia.

    McCullum and Key have come under scrutiny after England surrendered the series with losses in the opening three Tests of the best-of-five series.

    Both men and Test captain Ben Stokes have expressed a desire to remain in their positions – McCullum and Stokes have contracts with England until after the home Ashes in 2027.

    And the management of the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are not minded to impose the sweeping changes that often follow Ashes defeats down under.

    Any decision to remove 44-year-old McCullum in particular would have been complicated by the T20 World Cup in Sri Lanka and India, beginning in February.

    Instead, the future of the hierarchy now seems to rest on their willingness to accept the need for change and their ability to enact it.

    How long they are given to make alterations and improve results is unclear. A poor World Cup would increase pressure, then England's next Test is against New Zealand in June.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cd0yjkvxk43o

    I listened to Stokes being interviewed on R4 this morning.
    Talked about learning lessons, while making it pretty clear that what he intends is to carry on doing everything much the same, but just do it better.

    So I doubt much will change.
    Good.
    I'm not convinced by that.
    While Stokes is an inspirational leader, and fine player, both he and his team seem unable to adjust to situations which don't favour a one note approach.

    In his interview he talked about England's batsmen being "fooled" by the Australians into playing rash shots. That's just delusional from what I observed.

    England have had pretty good results because they have a handful of outstanding players. But I strongly believe they don't maximise their chances as a team. And certainly not on this tour.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,761
    FF43 said:

    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    It will move the needle by a percent or two, for a month or two.

    People have already chosen their sides and aren't backing down.
    I wonder.

    Is "law abiding Americans" a meaningful thing? Who haven't been paying attention, think borders do need protecting, accept there will be some rough handling as part of that, but would be appalled by men in masks rampaging communities killing random people.
    The administration could easily suffer from their doubling down - it's hard to see how anyone who has seen the video could think describing it as "weaponising her car in a domestic terrorism incident" as in any way reasonable
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,571
    Scott_xP said:

    @robertsaunders.bsky.social‬

    I understand the pressures on the BBC, but Radio 4's coverage of the Minneapolis shooting is an example of "bad balance".

    It's all "the Trump regime says she was a terrorist, but Democrats say it was murder".

    The BBC has the footage. It doesn't have to treat truth and falsehood as equally valid.

    https://bsky.app/profile/robertsaunders.bsky.social/post/3mbvle6eyzc2s

    The well of truth via footage has been poisoned by editing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,819

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    Isn't that an argument in favour of laying things occurring?
    But they can play it both ways.

    Betfair introduced the novel approach of not settling until months the event was over. Doesn't matter which side you backed in that case. The serious point punters need to consider is who owns and manages such operations. They are typically owned by Funds and managed by kids with no experience in the business or understanding of its nuances. Try writing to them. In the unlikely event you get past the bots you will encounter an astonishing lack of literacy and the common sense of a house plant.

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    Isn't that an argument in favour of laying things occurring?
    But they can play it both ways.

    Betfair introduced the novel approach of not settling until months the event was over. Doesn't matter which side you backed in that case. The serious point punters need to consider is who owns and manages such operations. They are typically owned by Funds and managed by kids with no experience in the business or understanding of its nuances. Try writing to them. In the unlikely event you get past the bots you will encounter an astonishing lack of literacy and the common sense of a house plant.
    That is a grotesque and highly offensive statement. Apologise to the house plants immediately.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176

    With Trump's SA goons murdering that woman and people defending the SA, I do wonder if we're rapidly approaching the tipping point. "Get the fuck out of" our city vs SA goons literally shooting people in the head.

    You know that 2nd Amendment? That it mentions militias? Now would be an opportune moment for militias to be formed, to defend themselves against the SA goons murdering people in the street.

    The Mayor made a comment about mobilising the Minnesota National Guard to protect against ICE
    The point where State and Federal police start fighting each other, is the point at which talk of C**** W** gets going.

    Minnesota could well be the epicentre. There is fury about the fraud that’s been uncovered, much of it linked to immigrant communities. There’s also fury about the heavyhandedness of Federal police, and incidents such as we saw yesterday.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,399
    FF43 said:

    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    It will move the needle by a percent or two, for a month or two.

    People have already chosen their sides and aren't backing down.
    I wonder.

    Is "law abiding Americans" a meaningful thing? Who haven't been paying attention, think borders do need protecting, accept there will be some rough handling as part of that, but would be appalled by men in masks rampaging communities killing random people.
    Sure there will be Trump voters who are appalled and want it to change. But the news eco-system is such that they will be more scared of the evil woke Dems by election time, assuming we get fair elections in the first place.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,659
    edited January 8
    IanB2 said:

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Fear not, tonight the snow moves from Scotland into England and Wales, even reaching the Midlands and possibly the Cotswolds; places that even London media folk might know.
    I am so angry now, especially as I now have seen and heard of the severe difficulties of so many who have been literally snowed in and unable to get out of their homes since New Year, I did put a brief post up here last week highlighting the heavy snow we were experiencing up here and then tumbleweed. I cannot highlight enough what a severe snow event we have experienced up here in Aberdeenshire over the last week and how little outside help or support we have had!!

    I have not experieced anything like it since the late 1970s when I was growing up in Aviemore and the whole Spey valley was cut off for a week and you could only manage to walk on the deeply snow impacted snow on the main road there to get anywhere because the snow drifts were so big and deep at either side of the road. We also lost power for days, and I still remember one morning waking up and the snow drifts up to our front door and neighbours were so deep we literally had to dig ourselves out of our own homes and we made tunnels in the snow to connect us with us our neighbours to help each other out.

    But that was back before Devolution at Holyrood, and I am not exaggerating, there was not only far earlier acknowledgement but also practical help from the then Westminster Government than we have ever seen in recent years during storm Arwen and now this last week. Not going to lie, we have yet again been shocked at how we have been ignored by the SNP Goverment.

    The Shire was already on its knees with this winter storm on Monday, go google what the SNP Government and the Political lobby at Holyrood were foccusing on and reporting on Monday when people in Aberdeenshire were already trapped in their homes since New Year after a three day amber of heavy snow...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,819

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Agree with every word. The powers that be don't care one bit about us - and it isn't just now. The funding rigging to central belt councils is just as bad.

    I spent 2 hours yesterday digging my car out as I saw that the main road looked clearer and I hoped we had seen the worst of it. Ran urgently needed supplies to my mum (16 miles away in Macduff) and went to the supermarket which had most of what we needed but no bread. And then drove home to spend another half an hour digging a new parking space. Overnight? Another 9cm.

    I do have to giggle though. Andrew Bowie MP wrote to the First Minister rightly demanding action. But one action that he wanted was for the government to issue guidance via "leaflets". Who was going to deliver bloody leaflets?
    I have to ask - were *any* of the actions he demanded the removal of solidified water from the roads ?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,018

    FF43 said:

    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    It will move the needle by a percent or two, for a month or two.

    People have already chosen their sides and aren't backing down.
    I wonder.

    Is "law abiding Americans" a meaningful thing? Who haven't been paying attention, think borders do need protecting, accept there will be some rough handling as part of that, but would be appalled by men in masks rampaging communities killing random people.
    Some people seem to think that masked thugs rampaging communities and killing people IS law enforcement.
    Maybe they watched too many Westerns growing up.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119
    fitalass said:

    IanB2 said:

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Fear not, tonight the snow moves from Scotland into England and Wales, even reaching the Midlands and possibly the Cotswolds; places that even London media folk might know.
    I am so angry now, especially as I now have seen and heard of the severe difficulties of so many who have been literally snowed in and unable to get out of their homes since New Year, I did put a brief post up here last weekI highlighting the heavy snow we were experiencing up here and then tumbleweed. I cannot highlight enough what a severe snow event we have experienced up here in Aberdeenshire over the last week and how little outside help or support we have had!!

    I have not experieced anything like it since the late 1970s when I was growing up in Aviemore and the whole Spey valley was cut off for a week and you could only manage to walk on the deeply snow impacted main road there to get anywhere because the snow drifts were so big and deep at either side of the road. We also lost power for days, and I still remember one morning waking up and the snow drifts up to our front door and neighbours were so deep we literally had to dig ourselves out of our own homes and we made tunnels in the snow to connect us with us our neighbours to help each other out.

    But that was back before Devolution at Holyrood, and I am not exaggerating, there was not only far earlier acknowledgement but also practical help from the then Westminster Government than we have ever seen in recent years during storm Arwen and now this last week. Not going to lie, we have yet again been shocked at how we have been ignored by the SNP Goverment. The Shire was already on its knees with this winter storm on Monday, go google what the SNP Government and the Political lobby at Holyrood were foccusing on and reporting on Monday when people in Aberdeenshire were already trapped in their homes since New Year after a three day amber of heavy snow...
    I went skiing in Aviemore in the 70s as a kid.
    None of us had skied before, and my cousin badly broke his leg within 30sec of first getting on his skis at the top of the slope.
    Pretty good holiday for the rest of us, though.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,212
    fitalass said:

    IanB2 said:

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Fear not, tonight the snow moves from Scotland into England and Wales, even reaching the Midlands and possibly the Cotswolds; places that even London media folk might know.
    I am so angry now, especially as I now have seen and heard of the severe difficulties of so many who have been literally snowed in and unable to get out of their homes since New Year, I did put a brief post up here last week highlighting the heavy snow we were experiencing up here and then tumbleweed. I cannot highlight enough what a severe snow event we have experienced up here in Aberdeenshire over the last week and how little outside help or support we have had!!

    I have not experieced anything like it since the late 1970s when I was growing up in Aviemore and the whole Spey valley was cut off for a week and you could only manage to walk on the deeply snow impacted snow on the main road there to get anywhere because the snow drifts were so big and deep at either side of the road. We also lost power for days, and I still remember one morning waking up and the snow drifts up to our front door and neighbours were so deep we literally had to dig ourselves out of our own homes and we made tunnels in the snow to connect us with us our neighbours to help each other out.

    But that was back before Devolution at Holyrood, and I am not exaggerating, there was not only far earlier acknowledgement but also practical help from the then Westminster Government than we have ever seen in recent years during storm Arwen and now this last week. Not going to lie, we have yet again been shocked at how we have been ignored by the SNP Goverment.

    The Shire was already on its knees with this winter storm on Monday, go google what the SNP Government and the Political lobby at Holyrood were foccusing on and reporting on Monday when people in Aberdeenshire were already trapped in their homes since New Year after a three day amber of heavy snow...
    After the hipsters in Switzerland there just wasn't any room left on the BBC homepage for Aberdeenshire. Ditto Iran.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,582

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Agree with every word. The powers that be don't care one bit about us - and it isn't just now. The funding rigging to central belt councils is just as bad.

    I spent 2 hours yesterday digging my car out as I saw that the main road looked clearer and I hoped we had seen the worst of it. Ran urgently needed supplies to my mum (16 miles away in Macduff) and went to the supermarket which had most of what we needed but no bread. And then drove home to spend another half an hour digging a new parking space. Overnight? Another 9cm.

    I do have to giggle though. Andrew Bowie MP wrote to the First Minister rightly demanding action. But one action that he wanted was for the government to issue guidance via "leaflets". Who was going to deliver bloody leaflets?
    I have to ask - were *any* of the actions he demanded the removal of solidified water from the roads ?
    Yes - with the Army drafted in to assist. That I agree with. The bit that amused me was the demand that the SG "take further steps to inform and reassure the public, through leaflets and online resources"

    https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1265462328733090&set=a.354274456518553

    Let's be very clear. The council workers are under siege with need - we've had council teams in the village clearing and ploughing but there's only so many resources and lots of need. The council contract farmers to clear roads and pull stranded vehicles, but it's chaos. Side roads with man-sized drifts and it comes back as soon as you clear it. Main roads kept open as a single track (I live on the main Peterhead - Banff road and we're just about passable at times.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Still laughing hard at the Russian aircraft engine factory, the one that just elected a new Pope, that’s only 4km from the Kremlin!

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2009144272147370229

    Proof if needed that Ukraine can hit strategic targets in Moscow pretty much at will.

    Also proof that the Ukranians are using their missiles on strategic military targets, and not wasting them on residential or public buildings. The two sides in this war are not the same.

    Also Russian bloggers are furious with Trump and the US boarding of the two shadow fleet vessels. They appear to have thought he was bought and paid for, only looking out for Russian interests rather than American interests. Congress has also agreed a bipartisan new sanctions package, which Trump will sign next week!

    https://x.com/lindseygrahamsc/status/2009037587416027479
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,610
    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119
    AnneJGP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @robertsaunders.bsky.social‬

    I understand the pressures on the BBC, but Radio 4's coverage of the Minneapolis shooting is an example of "bad balance".

    It's all "the Trump regime says she was a terrorist, but Democrats say it was murder".

    The BBC has the footage. It doesn't have to treat truth and falsehood as equally valid.

    https://bsky.app/profile/robertsaunders.bsky.social/post/3mbvle6eyzc2s

    The well of truth via footage has been poisoned by editing.
    The administration's statements were pretty blatant lies, and even more blatantly so once you've seen the videos of the incident.

    It's a bit more understandable that they got the reporting wrong when the story broke last night, but it's very disappointing journalism for them to continue to both-sides it this morning.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,487

    With Trump's SA goons murdering that woman and people defending the SA, I do wonder if we're rapidly approaching the tipping point. "Get the fuck out of" our city vs SA goons literally shooting people in the head.

    You know that 2nd Amendment? That it mentions militias? Now would be an opportune moment for militias to be formed, to defend themselves against the SA goons murdering people in the street.

    The problem with that is that the people most likely to keep guns at home to protect them an overbearing government are now the SA goons murdering people in the street.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,487
    MattW said:

    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.

    There is no legal justification for that shooting. A number of lawyers have already opined.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,610

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Agree with every word. The powers that be don't care one bit about us - and it isn't just now. The funding rigging to central belt councils is just as bad.

    I spent 2 hours yesterday digging my car out as I saw that the main road looked clearer and I hoped we had seen the worst of it. Ran urgently needed supplies to my mum (16 miles away in Macduff) and went to the supermarket which had most of what we needed but no bread. And then drove home to spend another half an hour digging a new parking space. Overnight? Another 9cm.

    I do have to giggle though. Andrew Bowie MP wrote to the First Minister rightly demanding action. But one action that he wanted was for the government to issue guidance via "leaflets". Who was going to deliver bloody leaflets?
    Lib Dem activists. After the nuclear war, will it not be them and cockroaches?

    :smiley:
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,018
    Foss said:

    fitalass said:

    IanB2 said:

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Fear not, tonight the snow moves from Scotland into England and Wales, even reaching the Midlands and possibly the Cotswolds; places that even London media folk might know.
    I am so angry now, especially as I now have seen and heard of the severe difficulties of so many who have been literally snowed in and unable to get out of their homes since New Year, I did put a brief post up here last week highlighting the heavy snow we were experiencing up here and then tumbleweed. I cannot highlight enough what a severe snow event we have experienced up here in Aberdeenshire over the last week and how little outside help or support we have had!!

    I have not experieced anything like it since the late 1970s when I was growing up in Aviemore and the whole Spey valley was cut off for a week and you could only manage to walk on the deeply snow impacted snow on the main road there to get anywhere because the snow drifts were so big and deep at either side of the road. We also lost power for days, and I still remember one morning waking up and the snow drifts up to our front door and neighbours were so deep we literally had to dig ourselves out of our own homes and we made tunnels in the snow to connect us with us our neighbours to help each other out.

    But that was back before Devolution at Holyrood, and I am not exaggerating, there was not only far earlier acknowledgement but also practical help from the then Westminster Government than we have ever seen in recent years during storm Arwen and now this last week. Not going to lie, we have yet again been shocked at how we have been ignored by the SNP Goverment.

    The Shire was already on its knees with this winter storm on Monday, go google what the SNP Government and the Political lobby at Holyrood were foccusing on and reporting on Monday when people in Aberdeenshire were already trapped in their homes since New Year after a three day amber of heavy snow...
    After the hipsters in Switzerland there just wasn't any room left on the BBC homepage for Aberdeenshire. Ditto Iran.
    Do you mean the kids and young adults celebrating New Year who died horrifically in Switzerland?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,285
    Ratters said:

    I suspect that the murder of a young, white mother by masked ICE thugs will have a bigger impact on US politics than anything that happens in Venezuela. Especially as Trump has jumped the gun to strongly defend the murderer and cast that mother as a terrorist.

    Yes there will be partisans taking Trump at his word, but most people can use their eyes on the number of videos showing the shooting.

    A young white woman who sides with immigrants is a race traitor, in the eyes of Trump’s supporters. They will think her death is her fault,
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,007
    Scott_xP said:

    With Trump's SA goons murdering that woman and people defending the SA, I do wonder if we're rapidly approaching the tipping point. "Get the fuck out of" our city vs SA goons literally shooting people in the head.

    You know that 2nd Amendment? That it mentions militias? Now would be an opportune moment for militias to be formed, to defend themselves against the SA goons murdering people in the street.

    The problem with that is that the people most likely to keep guns at home to protect them an overbearing government are now the SA goons murdering people in the street.
    Decades ago, it was notable how many gun control laws some states adopted as soon as the Black Panthers used their constitutional rights to turn up armed: https://californialocal.com/localnews/statewide/ca/article/show/4412-california-gun-control-reagan-black-panthers/
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,882
    edited January 8
    Is a UK "Removals Force" funded to the tune of £1.6 billion, operating separately from law enforcement. and modelled on the "successful" US ICE agency still Kemi Badenoch's policy?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,212
    boulay said:

    Foss said:

    fitalass said:

    IanB2 said:

    fitalass said:

    FPT. Surprised the media are not currently even glancing at the unfolding uprising in Iran, and especially the future ramifications if the brutal Regime there finally falls for this country internally as well as the ending of State funded terrorism in at least three other middle countries as well as for the neighbouring country of Iraq where Iran's prescence has been a huge negative for the stability and progress of that country. The implications for change in the Middle East if this happens are huge.

    In local news from Aberdeenshire, I see a major incident was finally declared here, too little and too bloody late after the biggest heaviest dump of snow over a week in my living memory since the late 70s when we were snowed in for a week throughout the whole Spey valley when I was growing up in Aviemore and they had to resort to bringing in essential food supplies by helicopter!

    As with Storm Arwen four years ago, it finally took the media to suddenly notice the increasingly dire conditions for the North East in the days and weeks following it before the fecking SNP Government ever noticed or even acknowledged it never mind doing feck all to respond to it!! It should still be a badge of shame for the SNP Government at Holyrood that Boris Johnson in London was the first party Leader to acknowledge the hardship we were experiencing up here without power and who reached out to the people in the North East of Scotland at that time. Like then, we just feel utterly ignored by this central belt focussed SNP Government at Holyrood, and again like then they have failed us as the enormity of this unfolding week long emergency has left us in dire straights, and it should have had them reaching out to the Westminster Government for army back up to help the people of the North East. But the selfish sods would never dream of doing it because of their tribal politics and so they have simple chosen to ignore and leave us to it up here yet again.

    There have been people trapped in their homes since New Year and unable to get to the shops even for food essentials, a friend told me about a serious emergency two streets down from them yesterday where a resident needed an ambulance and it took the whole neighbourhood to clear their street of snow enough for the ambulance to get nearby access to the patient and then they had to dig out the ambulance when it got stuck trying to leave to get them back onto the main route again so they could get the patient to Aberdeen!

    We finally got out of our driveway yesterday after the brief overnight thaw and we grabbed the chance to get to the nearest 40 mile round trip to a supermarket despite the local roads remaining extemely difficult, needs must! And then only to find there was not even a loaf bread to be had, luckily we managed to get milk, but the shelves were empty of many other usual fresh essential foods. And then we got home and the temperatures dropped again, and then the heavy snow started until the early hours...

    Fear not, tonight the snow moves from Scotland into England and Wales, even reaching the Midlands and possibly the Cotswolds; places that even London media folk might know.
    I am so angry now, especially as I now have seen and heard of the severe difficulties of so many who have been literally snowed in and unable to get out of their homes since New Year, I did put a brief post up here last week highlighting the heavy snow we were experiencing up here and then tumbleweed. I cannot highlight enough what a severe snow event we have experienced up here in Aberdeenshire over the last week and how little outside help or support we have had!!

    I have not experieced anything like it since the late 1970s when I was growing up in Aviemore and the whole Spey valley was cut off for a week and you could only manage to walk on the deeply snow impacted snow on the main road there to get anywhere because the snow drifts were so big and deep at either side of the road. We also lost power for days, and I still remember one morning waking up and the snow drifts up to our front door and neighbours were so deep we literally had to dig ourselves out of our own homes and we made tunnels in the snow to connect us with us our neighbours to help each other out.

    But that was back before Devolution at Holyrood, and I am not exaggerating, there was not only far earlier acknowledgement but also practical help from the then Westminster Government than we have ever seen in recent years during storm Arwen and now this last week. Not going to lie, we have yet again been shocked at how we have been ignored by the SNP Goverment.

    The Shire was already on its knees with this winter storm on Monday, go google what the SNP Government and the Political lobby at Holyrood were foccusing on and reporting on Monday when people in Aberdeenshire were already trapped in their homes since New Year after a three day amber of heavy snow...
    After the hipsters in Switzerland there just wasn't any room left on the BBC homepage for Aberdeenshire. Ditto Iran.
    Do you mean the kids and young adults celebrating New Year who died horrifically in Switzerland?
    It wasn't a three day liveblog event. If it had been four thousand miles east it'd have slipped off the front page in hours.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,491
    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.

    There is no legal justification for that shooting. A number of lawyers have already opined.
    Legal schmegal.

    It was imo 44% justified. She could have been going round him she could have been going for him. Wheels were just - just - as if she was going round but he might have thought for. And he couldn't see the wheels in any case.

    Using lethal force vs a woman in a car moving at 4mph to me seems wrong but I wasn't the guy in a tense situation believing my life was at risk.

    Maybe 40%. But I can see it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,610
    kinabalu said:

    So that's why Gabby Logan disappeared mid show from MOTD.

    Leeds and Wales legend Yorath dies aged 75

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce8e5rg2dyxo

    I tell you what is frightening, when more and more celebrities of a similar age to your parents start dying.

    Most celebs of my parents age (90 and 92) are already gone.
    There's still Judge Hellerstein, who is doing the Maduro case in New York.

    I wonder who will get the Melania Trump vs Michael Wolff one. It seems that to avoid being served with paperwork she has turned into the Scarlet Pimpernel, and is separately trying to get it transferred to Judge Cannon in the town of Corruption, Florida.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,250
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    I think the politicians who stoked a climate of hysteria about the federal government enforcing immigration laws and encouraged people to stand in the way of ICE officers doing their jobs need to accept their share of responsibility for what happened.

    I wish the mods would ban this bot.
    I don't. I value WilliamGlenns alternative viewpoints, even when I don't agree with them.

    It's disappointing that a post personally abusing him for this got so many likes overnight. And I don't think that's to this site's credit.
    There are a few things here.

    William regularly cheerleads a president whose rhetoric is constantly suffused with both personal and general abuse.

    People are understandably angry when he seeks to justify what looks very like murder by a member of the largest and least trained coercive federal agency in history.

    I agree with those who say william should not be banned.

    But I am not going to pretend that he is not defending what is rapidly descending into fascism.
    If we ban William having already lost Leon this site's days representing all viewpoints would be over and it may as well be renamed LDbetting
    There is definitely something of a blind spot on this site when it comes to US politics. Trying to put across the other side frequently results in personal abuse in return. We should be able to debate without the hyperbole that affects many other sites.

    To be fair, this also represents the situation in the US itself, where the two sides are extremely polarised, consume totally different media, and often talk straight past each other while misrepresenting the opposing position.

    The mid-terms are likely to be a turnout war, both parties are historically unpopular.

    Edit: Yes the situation in Minnesota could get worse before it gets better, the population is absolutely furious at the fraud that’s been uncovered.
    Trying to defend what is a blatant murder is a pretty poor show though. You would have to be blind to be taken in.
    Personally I try and avoid commenting on incidents such as we saw yesterday. Far too many times has the video been carefully edited to show one particular point of view, or we see only the beginning or the end of a larger incident, with the full video showing a different story once the media has moved on.
    That's very sensible - and you should be piling on Trump for doing exactly that.
    I try and avoid “piling in” on anyone, but have no problem criticising Trump if he messes up. I genuinely don’t think much of him, but I also don’t think he’s Hitler.

    Top officials such as presidents and ministers probably get their first version of events passed up the chain from the police on the ground, rather than from watching CNN.

    It wouldn’t be a surprise to find out later that either we saw only the last few seconds of a much longer incident, or that a policeman messed up and reached for their gun too hastily. It’s not as if there isn’t a long history of both in the US.
    Shame on PB's Dopey Donald supporters! :lol:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,667
    MattW said:

    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.

    ICE are not police and only have jurisdiction over immigration.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Tone-deaf “StarmerBot 26” just woke up.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/2009174530779172891

    I won’t apologise for lifting almost half a million children out of poverty.

    I won’t apologise for putting money back in people’s pockets.

    That's why we are scrapping the two-child limit.


    Whoever is running social media in No.10 appears to be living in a very big bubble, scheduling posts well in advance and ignoring what’s actually going on in the real world.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119
    TOPPING said:

    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.

    There is no legal justification for that shooting. A number of lawyers have already opined.
    Legal schmegal.

    It was imo 44% justified. She could have been going round him she could have been going for him. Wheels were just - just - as if she was going round but he might have thought for. And he couldn't see the wheels in any case.

    Using lethal force vs a woman in a car moving at 4mph to me seems wrong but I wasn't the guy in a tense situation believing my life was at risk.

    Maybe 40%. But I can see it.
    There's no legal justification for ICE putting themselves in that situation.

    And they refused to let doctor on the scene attend to her.

    Spoke on background with two attorneys who have defended officer involved shootings.

    Both have always taken their cases to trial.

    After reviewing the events today, both said if it were their client they’d advise:

    -Seek a plea deal
    -Be willing to plead guilty to a lesser crime or a lower sentence
    -Accept anything that isn’t de jure LWOP (life with out parole)

    In other words, the guys who defend police officers shooting for a living, think this case is unwinnable.

    They would try to defend his actions, they’d just try and lower the impact of the outcome.

    Their main sticking point were:

    -“I could argue shot number one and hope for an acquittal or a hung jury - but I can’t get there on shots 2 and 3”

    -“A jury will not get passed the turning of the wheels”

    -“Denying medics throws self defense out the window”

    https://x.com/adamscochran/status/2009111755260060128
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,610
    edited January 8
    Quite an interesting conversation between someone still out hanging flags on lamp posts from "Raise the Colours", and a "lefty vicar". It's of interest to me because the "vicar" is an Elim Pentecostal Pastor, which is one of the original Pentecostal denominations created in the UK from 1915.

    It's a contrast to the Trump-supporting position of a majority of 'white evangelicals' in the USA, and is more typical of the majority position in the UK.

    (There's some lefty commentary around it.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDxtmkIYqV0
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,238
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.

    ICE are not police and only have jurisdiction over immigration.

    'That woke antifa lesbo was immigrating towards my foot'
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,018
    TOPPING said:

    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.

    There is no legal justification for that shooting. A number of lawyers have already opined.
    Legal schmegal.

    It was imo 44% justified. She could have been going round him she could have been going for him. Wheels were just - just - as if she was going round but he might have thought for. And he couldn't see the wheels in any case.

    Using lethal force vs a woman in a car moving at 4mph to me seems wrong but I wasn't the guy in a tense situation believing my life was at risk.

    Maybe 40%. But I can see it.
    Maybe she wouldn’t have felt the need to scoot out of there if his masked mate hadn’t been pulling at her door trying to open it beforehand - they aren’t police and have no right to stop her so I can understand a woman being somewhat panicked and out of control of her vehicle with a masked agent attempting to get into her car.

    Before he started trying to open her door (with no justification or authority) she is clearly trying to reverse and get out of the area. I’m definitely no woke lefty but can clearly see this was a result of ICE believing they have powers they don’t and being trigger happy when they should have just let her go and if they believed she had committed an offence then they could have reported her to the police and let them deal with it.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,222

    The good news: Cheap tickets available in the Rail Sale!

    The bad news: Trains cancelled due to Storm Goretti.

    Currently on my way from my South Coast lair to Birmingham U. Apart from negotiating the Tube during rush hour, everything is going smoothly. Train is exceptionally quiet which I would put down to the weather hype. So many wimps about
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,481
    Apropros of nothing, Vanilla ICE is playing in Indiana on sunday.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,825

    Polymarket appear to have learnt from the Betfair playbook. This is why I personally would no longer bet serious money with a betting exchange. They are as likely as any Insurance Company to try and wriggle out of of paying up on a winner.

    Polymarket (or rather their program on the blockchain, they don't hold the stakes themselves) will have to pay the one side or the other, so "wriggle out of paying up" doesn't really describe what they could do.

    However the tricksy part with Polymarket is that they reserve the right to redefine the terms of the market whenever they like, and presumably some insiders in Polymarket know when they're going to do this before they do it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,610
    edited January 8
    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.

    There is no legal justification for that shooting. A number of lawyers have already opined.
    Legal schmegal.

    It was imo 44% justified. She could have been going round him she could have been going for him. Wheels were just - just - as if she was going round but he might have thought for. And he couldn't see the wheels in any case.

    Using lethal force vs a woman in a car moving at 4mph to me seems wrong but I wasn't the guy in a tense situation believing my life was at risk.

    Maybe 40%. But I can see it.
    Maybe she wouldn’t have felt the need to scoot out of there if his masked mate hadn’t been pulling at her door trying to open it beforehand - they aren’t police and have no right to stop her so I can understand a woman being somewhat panicked and out of control of her vehicle with a masked agent attempting to get into her car.

    Before he started trying to open her door (with no justification or authority) she is clearly trying to reverse and get out of the area. I’m definitely no woke lefty but can clearly see this was a result of ICE believing they have powers they don’t and being trigger happy when they should have just let her go and if they believed she had committed an offence then they could have reported her to the police and let them deal with it.
    The officer has "qualified immunity", which requires certain levels of threat to exist, and I think varies by state.

    The legal outcome will depend on the actual regulations in the particular place. So I have no hope whatsoever of guessing what will happen !
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119
    And note, the Capitol Police are actual police and would have had rather more legal justification.

    If the Capitol Police had abided by the standards of MAGA commentators on the Minneapolis ICE shooting, half the January 6 protesters would have been shot to death.
    https://x.com/ThaddeusRussell/status/2009031175130788188
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,176
    Pulpstar said:

    Apropros of nothing, Vanilla ICE is playing in Indiana on sunday.

    Does that mean the Feds will, by Monday, be showing videos of thousands of people singing along to “ICE ICE Baby” on their social media?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 85,119
    MattW said:

    boulay said:

    TOPPING said:

    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    The footage with the Senior Officer's commentary is here on the BBC:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cx2ypz4zjvxo

    To my eye the officer could have stepped out of the way, on top of the vehicle moving round him at a modest speed, rather than stand and shoot through the windscreen.

    I think there is a cultural issue around aspects of the US policing, and various legal and organisational loopholes that facilitate it far too easily.

    There is no legal justification for that shooting. A number of lawyers have already opined.
    Legal schmegal.

    It was imo 44% justified. She could have been going round him she could have been going for him. Wheels were just - just - as if she was going round but he might have thought for. And he couldn't see the wheels in any case.

    Using lethal force vs a woman in a car moving at 4mph to me seems wrong but I wasn't the guy in a tense situation believing my life was at risk.

    Maybe 40%. But I can see it.
    Maybe she wouldn’t have felt the need to scoot out of there if his masked mate hadn’t been pulling at her door trying to open it beforehand - they aren’t police and have no right to stop her so I can understand a woman being somewhat panicked and out of control of her vehicle with a masked agent attempting to get into her car.

    Before he started trying to open her door (with no justification or authority) she is clearly trying to reverse and get out of the area. I’m definitely no woke lefty but can clearly see this was a result of ICE believing they have powers they don’t and being trigger happy when they should have just let her go and if they believed she had committed an offence then they could have reported her to the police and let them deal with it.
    The officer has "qualified immunity", which requires certain levels of threat to exist, and I think varies by state.

    The legal outcome will depend on the actual regulations in the particular place.
    Qualified immunity does not apply if criminal charges are brought. It is a potential defence only against civil litigation.
    Which is probably why the ICE agent has fled the jurisdiction.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,857
    Battlebus said:

    The good news: Cheap tickets available in the Rail Sale!

    The bad news: Trains cancelled due to Storm Goretti.

    Currently on my way from my South Coast lair to Birmingham U. Apart from negotiating the Tube during rush hour, everything is going smoothly. Train is exceptionally quiet which I would put down to the weather hype. So many wimps about
    East Midlands Railway states the qualifying period for tickets starts on January 13th (that may be them, I don't know) so it's likely no one travelling today will be on a discounted ticket but that will vary from operator to operator.

    As for the impacts of the coming storm, hard to know at this stage - further north and higher up would be the places for snow I'd imagine - only expecting cold rain here in downtown East London.
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