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An update on Donald 'no more wars' Trump’s chances of winning the Nobel peace prize

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edited January 3 in General
An update on Donald 'no more wars' Trump’s chances of winning the Nobel peace prize – politicalbetting.com

DEVELOPING: Multiple explosions light up the night sky of Caracas, Venezuela.U.S. officials tell FOX News the U.S. military has attacked Venezuela. pic.twitter.com/Gp3moLrm7G

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,301
    Just popping down the garden to check that the old nuclear bunker is still operational.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,680
    He's sort of a poundland Putin, isn't he.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,206

    Just popping down the garden to check that the old nuclear bunker is still operational.

    How much room do you have?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,478

    Just popping down the garden to check that the old nuclear bunker is still operational.

    My holiday starts Thursday the 12th of February.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,929
    edited January 3
    Maduros renditioned apparently.

    Edit: Say you posted without reading the header without.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,059
    FPT: "Trump has claimed that they've captured Maduro."

    In which case Maduro will be fine. Trump likes to pardon drug dealers...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952
    US President Donald Trump says the US has carried out "large scale strike against Venezuela" and "captured its leader, President Nicolas Maduro" and his wife.
    BBC
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,705
    kinabalu said:

    He's sort of a poundland Putin, isn't he.

    If Madura is captured, then Trump’s SMO is ahead of schedule.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,645
    Pro_Rata said:

    Maduros renditioned apparently.

    Edit: Say you posted without reading the header without.....

    Extraordinary !
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952
    kinabalu said:

    He's sort of a poundland Putin, isn't he.

    With a far more organised and capable military.
    So rather the opposite of poundland.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890
    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952

    Test

    I hope a successful one this time ?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,005
    Upcoming news conference at Mar-a-lago. For some reason that detail is deeply frightening. The man is kicking off a war from the Epstein feeder-house.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952
    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    Try him before Eileen Cannon, or disappear him to El Salvador.
    Maybe both.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,543
    Trump renditions Maduro. Russia claims Ukraine attacked Putin – a (false) false flag to justify taking out Zelensky?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,682

    FPT: "Trump has claimed that they've captured Maduro."

    In which case Maduro will be fine. Trump likes to pardon drug dealers...

    I think the problem might be that Maduro has just lost access to his bank accounts.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,680

    kinabalu said:

    He's sort of a poundland Putin, isn't he.

    If Madura is captured, then Trump’s SMO is ahead of schedule.
    Yes, got one over on him there. Bragging rights next time they meet.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,645
    News conference 11AM, Mar-A-Lago

    I expect one country, Guyana, will be a little relieved as last year Venezuela was threatening to take big chunks of their territory.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,059

    I cannot believe it is January 3rd and Sandpit has already won the 2026 PB Rogerdamus award.

    Gonna be a helluva year!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,345
    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    Trade a few billion in crypto for a "La Catedral" style prison?
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,598
    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    According to Wikipedia, so must be true, he's been 'Maduro was indicted by a US federal court, accused of narcoterrorism and conspiracy to import cocaine to the United States'.

    convict him and jail him seems to be the way forward
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,478
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    Try him before Eileen Cannon, or disappear him to El Salvador.
    Maybe both.
    Maduro is worth a few bob, I think we all know how this works out.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,059

    FPT: "Trump has claimed that they've captured Maduro."

    In which case Maduro will be fine. Trump likes to pardon drug dealers...

    I think the problem might be that Maduro has just lost access to his bank accounts.
    The bigger problem might be that Tump now has access to them...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890
    Taz said:

    News conference 11AM, Mar-A-Lago

    I expect one country, Guyana, will be a little relieved as last year Venezuela was threatening to take big chunks of their territory.

    If I were Guyana, I'd be very worried. Venezuela destabilised further means a new ruler (quite possibly a senior-to-mid ranking army officer) might do a Galtieri on them to (a) demonstrate strength and (b) nick their resources.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,705
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    He's sort of a poundland Putin, isn't he.

    If Madura is captured, then Trump’s SMO is ahead of schedule.
    Yes, got one over on him there. Bragging rights next time they meet.
    Which is exactly the kind of crude bullshit that Trump goes for…
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,301
    Whose next then? Mark Carney?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890
    spudgfsh said:

    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    According to Wikipedia, so must be true, he's been 'Maduro was indicted by a US federal court, accused of narcoterrorism and conspiracy to import cocaine to the United States'.

    convict him and jail him seems to be the way forward
    He's been kidnapped, not extradited. Even Bang My Cannon is going to struggle to frame charges on that one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,682

    Trump renditions Maduro. Russia claims Ukraine attacked Putin – a (false) false flag to justify taking out Zelensky?

    Russia has tried and failed repeatedly to take out Zelensky without any attempt at justification.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,133

    Just popping down the garden to check that the old nuclear bunker is still operational.

    My holiday starts Thursday the 12th of February.
    That's optimistic.

    You think we can manage five weeks before the world blows up?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,345

    Whose next then? Mark Carney?

    Sadiq is high on their list!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,059
    edited January 3

    Trump renditions Maduro. Russia claims Ukraine attacked Putin – a (false) false flag to justify taking out Zelensky?

    The CIA has confirmed that "attack" was utter bollocks.

    Even Putin's spokesman was "We don't need to give any evidence. Because...."
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,645
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    News conference 11AM, Mar-A-Lago

    I expect one country, Guyana, will be a little relieved as last year Venezuela was threatening to take big chunks of their territory.

    If I were Guyana, I'd be very worried. Venezuela destabilised further means a new ruler (quite possibly a senior-to-mid ranking army officer) might do a Galtieri on them to (a) demonstrate strength and (b) nick their resources.
    I expect an American puppet ruler will be put in or this woman who won the peace prize.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952
    As far as the Epstein revelations are concerned, not yet.

    CBS Folds Again, Cancels 60 Minutes Segment on Epstein Cover-up After DOJ Pressure
    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2007193664716763481

    CBS well on the way to becoming Fox2.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,682
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    He's sort of a poundland Putin, isn't he.

    With a far more organised and capable military.
    So rather the opposite of poundland.
    A military that learned from its failures to catch Bin Laden in Afghanistan, or Saddam (for nine months) in Iraq.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,705
    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    - semi-sane - warehouse him in a US Jail like ol’ Pineapple Face
    - worse case - make Starmer make Mad’s head of the DfE
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,616
    spudgfsh said:

    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    According to Wikipedia, so must be true, he's been 'Maduro was indicted by a US federal court, accused of narcoterrorism and conspiracy to import cocaine to the United States'.

    convict him and jail him seems to be the way forward
    Thats going to be a very expensive presidential pardon.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,682

    Whose next then? Mark Carney?

    If you were him you'd be scheduling an urgent meeting with your head of security this morning.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952

    Trump renditions Maduro. Russia claims Ukraine attacked Putin – a (false) false flag to justify taking out Zelensky?

    They've been trying to do that since the start of the SMO, so no justification needed.
    Unless you're suggesting that Trump is going to do it ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,680
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    He's sort of a poundland Putin, isn't he.

    With a far more organised and capable military.
    So rather the opposite of poundland.
    Yes, the weapon he's toting is trillion pound land. The guy is armed and extremely dangerous. And no guard rails.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,301
    edited January 3
    ydoethur said:

    He's claiming to have kidnapped the President of Venezuela?

    I mean...seriously?

    All other considerations aside, WTF does he intend to actually do with him?

    Stick him in that El-Salvador super max prison? Trump likes sending people there.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,345

    Whose next then? Mark Carney?

    Possible, but wouldn't make him a banker though.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890
    If Maduro has been kidnapped, does that leave Delcy Rodriguez in charge? Or have they nabbed her too?

    If so, that may be an error by the US. She's a lot brighter than Maduro and much smarter at schmoozing foreign leaders.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,543

    Trump renditions Maduro. Russia claims Ukraine attacked Putin – a (false) false flag to justify taking out Zelensky?

    The CIA has confirmed that "attack" was utter bollocks.

    Even Putin's spokesman was "We don't need to give any evidence. Because...."
    Hence the two falses. But it leaves open the question, why?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,358
    I wonder what state the air defences of Tooting are in?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,301
    edited January 3
    When they say history doesn't repeat but it rhymes....US pulled this exact move with Manuel Noriega in Panama under the guise of involvement in drug trafficking.
  • Capturing Maduro, if true, is actually impressive.

    Completely mad, I daren't use the Caracas pun twice in one hour, but impressive.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,543
    Nigelb said:

    Trump renditions Maduro. Russia claims Ukraine attacked Putin – a (false) false flag to justify taking out Zelensky?

    They've been trying to do that since the start of the SMO, so no justification needed.
    Unless you're suggesting that Trump is going to do it ?
    I'm suggesting there must have been a reason for the false false flag and now that snatching leaders is back in fashion...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,345

    Nigelb said:

    As far as the Epstein revelations are concerned, not yet.

    CBS Folds Again, Cancels 60 Minutes Segment on Epstein Cover-up After DOJ Pressure
    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2007193664716763481

    CBS well on the way to becoming Fox2.

    I’m gradually becoming convinced that the documents that Trump is afraid of is details of his being a Cooperating Witness against Epstein.

    Contrary to the movies, such informants are nearly always guilty (see Sonny Gravano), and doing it for a get out of jail card.

    Such a deal would include a signed admission of guilt (by Trump, for whatever he did) and details of the crimes that he committed. Usually including interviews from the informant admitting the crimes they committed.

    This would also explain why it hasn’t leaked already - such things are guarded to the highest degreee.
    Good post. However no US travel for you til 3rd January 2031.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,345
    Omnium said:

    I wonder what state the air defences of Tooting are in?

    Don't fret, Citizen Smith will keep them liberated.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952

    Nigelb said:

    As far as the Epstein revelations are concerned, not yet.

    CBS Folds Again, Cancels 60 Minutes Segment on Epstein Cover-up After DOJ Pressure
    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2007193664716763481

    CBS well on the way to becoming Fox2.

    I’m gradually becoming convinced that the documents that Trump is afraid of is details of his being a Cooperating Witness against Epstein.

    Contrary to the movies, such informants are nearly always guilty (see Sonny Gravano), and doing it for a get out of jail card.

    Such a deal would include a signed admission of guilt (by Trump, for whatever he did) and details of the crimes that he committed. Usually including interviews from the informant admitting the crimes they committed.

    This would also explain why it hasn’t leaked already - such things are guarded to the highest degreee.
    It's a possibility.
    It's becoming increasingly unlikely that Trump isn't heavily implicated, in any event.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,543
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    News conference 11AM, Mar-A-Lago

    I expect one country, Guyana, will be a little relieved as last year Venezuela was threatening to take big chunks of their territory.

    If I were Guyana, I'd be very worried. Venezuela destabilised further means a new ruler (quite possibly a senior-to-mid ranking army officer) might do a Galtieri on them to (a) demonstrate strength and (b) nick their resources.
    I expect an American puppet ruler will be put in or this woman who won the peace prize.
    GOP's Halliburton tendency will be carving up those oilfields already. MAGA isolationists, sorry, it was fun while it lasted. The worst part is having to acknowledge MTG had a point.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,705

    When they say history doesn't repeat but it rhymes....US pulled this exact move with Manuel Noriega in Panama under the guise of involvement in drug trafficking.

    Except that Old Pineapple face

    1) lost the election. Despite cheating like a professional wrestling villain.
    2) murdered the winner
    3) declared war on the US*
    4) US removed him
    5) the elected opposition VP became president.
    6) PF went to prison because he was guilty as fuck

    *No, really, he did.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,680
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    As far as the Epstein revelations are concerned, not yet.

    CBS Folds Again, Cancels 60 Minutes Segment on Epstein Cover-up After DOJ Pressure
    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2007193664716763481

    CBS well on the way to becoming Fox2.

    I’m gradually becoming convinced that the documents that Trump is afraid of is details of his being a Cooperating Witness against Epstein.

    Contrary to the movies, such informants are nearly always guilty (see Sonny Gravano), and doing it for a get out of jail card.

    Such a deal would include a signed admission of guilt (by Trump, for whatever he did) and details of the crimes that he committed. Usually including interviews from the informant admitting the crimes they committed.

    This would also explain why it hasn’t leaked already - such things are guarded to the highest degreee.
    It's a possibility.
    It's becoming increasingly unlikely that Trump isn't heavily implicated, in any event.
    Yes, Epstein isn't bringing down Trump. There's no smoking gun there.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,682

    Nigelb said:

    Trump renditions Maduro. Russia claims Ukraine attacked Putin – a (false) false flag to justify taking out Zelensky?

    They've been trying to do that since the start of the SMO, so no justification needed.
    Unless you're suggesting that Trump is going to do it ?
    I'm suggesting there must have been a reason for the false false flag and now that snatching leaders is back in fashion...
    The reason was to derail the Ukrainian adjustments to the peace plan. The claim emerged straight after Zelensky's most recent meeting with Trump.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,543
    PBers will be relieved to hear I've thought of a new conspiracy theory to explain Operation Smash Up Venezuela.

    In the last few days, Trump became the first foreigner to be awarded the Israel Prize. This has inspired him to follow Bibi in using military action to keep those pesky court appearances at bay.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,009
    I'll confess to not knowing enough about Venezuela or Maduro to really have a view, but I will now research it.

    I've heard he's like another Chavez, but haven't digged into that yet.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,447

    I'll confess to not knowing enough about Venezuela or Maduro to really have a view, but I will now research it.

    I've heard he's like another Chavez, but haven't digged into that yet.

    Was groomed by Chavez as his successor, but actually worse than him
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,447
    The interesting question now is what happens inside Venezuela, if Maduro really has gone.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,645

    I'll confess to not knowing enough about Venezuela or Maduro to really have a view, but I will now research it.

    I've heard he's like another Chavez, but haven't digged into that yet.

    Don’t worry, just read PB, the PB experts (how many people profess to know the inner workings of Trumps mind after all) are now going to pivot onto Maduro, Venezuela and its oilfields.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,554

    Test

    Of the Early Warning System
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,645

    The interesting question now is what happens inside Venezuela, if Maduro really has gone.

    It looks like he has given the US regime are claiming they have him in custody and on a flight out.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890

    The interesting question now is what happens inside Venezuela, if Maduro really has gone.

    I'll be amazed if Rodriguez and her brother don't at least try to take power, and they not only have the institutions but according to rumour the drug cartels on their side. But there might well be an ambitious army officer looking to seize the moment.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,645

    The interesting question now is what happens inside Venezuela, if Maduro really has gone.

    Well if this is correct it looks like the opposition has already mobilised.

    If so were they aware prior to the operation.

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2007390951317348548?s=61
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890
    Taz said:

    I'll confess to not knowing enough about Venezuela or Maduro to really have a view, but I will now research it.

    I've heard he's like another Chavez, but haven't digged into that yet.

    Don’t worry, just read PB, the PB experts (how many people profess to know the inner workings of Trumps mind after all) are now going to pivot onto Maduro, Venezuela and its oilfields.
    There is nobody on PB who claims to understand the workings of Trump's mind.

    That would imply he has one.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,554
    Morning all from the North Pole. Getting out of the village is hard today so why bother.

    I was resurfacing to point at the terrible Tesla sales data and giggle, but then I read that Trumpler has declared war on Venezuela and it doesn't seem to matter as much.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,645
    ydoethur said:

    The interesting question now is what happens inside Venezuela, if Maduro really has gone.

    I'll be amazed if Rodriguez and her brother don't at least try to take power, and they not only have the institutions but according to rumour the drug cartels on their side. But there might well be an ambitious army officer looking to seize the moment.
    You’d like to think saner minds in the US administration have already pre-empted it but past history suggests otherwise,

    Visegrad24 are claiming the opposition has mobilised.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    As far as the Epstein revelations are concerned, not yet.

    CBS Folds Again, Cancels 60 Minutes Segment on Epstein Cover-up After DOJ Pressure
    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2007193664716763481

    CBS well on the way to becoming Fox2.

    I’m gradually becoming convinced that the documents that Trump is afraid of is details of his being a Cooperating Witness against Epstein.

    Contrary to the movies, such informants are nearly always guilty (see Sonny Gravano), and doing it for a get out of jail card.

    Such a deal would include a signed admission of guilt (by Trump, for whatever he did) and details of the crimes that he committed. Usually including interviews from the informant admitting the crimes they committed.

    This would also explain why it hasn’t leaked already - such things are guarded to the highest degreee.
    It's a possibility.
    It's becoming increasingly unlikely that Trump isn't heavily implicated, in any event.
    Yes, Epstein isn't bringing down Trump. There's no smoking gun there.
    There very likely is.

    Epstein, along with a bunch of other shit, isn't bringing down Trump because the DOJ is staffed by his personal lawyers. Not a few of whom were involved in Epstein's original plea deal and coverup.
  • Trump's done the world a favour getting rid of Maduro. There is at least a fair chance that Venezuela re-joins the community of nations after this.
  • Taz said:

    The interesting question now is what happens inside Venezuela, if Maduro really has gone.

    Well if this is correct it looks like the opposition has already mobilised.

    If so were they aware prior to the operation.

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2007390951317348548?s=61
    Improbable.

    More likely, if true, they are seizing an opportunity.

    Many will try.

    The military leaders are probably most likely to succeed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952
    Taz said:

    I'll confess to not knowing enough about Venezuela or Maduro to really have a view, but I will now research it.

    I've heard he's like another Chavez, but haven't digged into that yet.

    Don’t worry, just read PB, the PB experts (how many people profess to know the inner workings of Trumps mind after all) are now going to pivot onto Maduro, Venezuela and its oilfields.
    Inner workings ?
    That's an optimistic assessment.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,952
    This morning, the State Department renamed the former Institute of Peace to reflect the greatest dealmaker in our nation's history.

    Welcome to the Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace. The best is yet to come.

    https://x.com/StateDept/status/1996368099160080884
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,645
    Did @TheScreamingEagles write this headline

    BREAKING:

    U.S. helicopters are POUNDING the Venezuelan military complex Fuerte Tiuna in Caracas

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2007351965437796353?s=61
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,116

    Trump's done the world a favour getting rid of Maduro. There is at least a fair chance that Venezuela re-joins the community of nations after this.

    If a plane crashes on the border of Ukraine and Afghanistan, where do we bury the survivors?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,825
    Taz said:

    The interesting question now is what happens inside Venezuela, if Maduro really has gone.

    Well if this is correct it looks like the opposition has already mobilised.

    If so were they aware prior to the operation.

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2007390951317348548?s=61
    Trump won't get the government he wants in Venezuela unless he occupies the country with American soldiers. ie Iraq.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,705
    Taz said:

    I'll confess to not knowing enough about Venezuela or Maduro to really have a view, but I will now research it.

    I've heard he's like another Chavez, but haven't digged into that yet.

    Don’t worry, just read PB, the PB experts (how many people profess to know the inner workings of Trumps mind after all) are now going to pivot onto Maduro, Venezuela and its oilfields.
    Maduro is Chavez 2.0 - without the subtly.

    His “victory” in the last election was basically what Trump was trying to achieve the time he lost.

    You’d have thought he & Trump would have been friends - shared interests on corruption, electoral fraud, attacking opponents with the powers of the state etc…
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,638

    Whose next then? Mark Carney?

    Please!

    Gonzalez gets to return from Spain then?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890
    Taz said:

    Did @TheScreamingEagles write this headline

    BREAKING:

    U.S. helicopters are POUNDING the Venezuelan military complex Fuerte Tiuna in Caracas

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2007351965437796353?s=61

    So it wasn't just about nicking Maduro?

    The whole situation sounds like a great big mess.

    Incidentally when you refer to 'saner minds in the US administration' I can only admire your optimism.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,705

    Trump's done the world a favour getting rid of Maduro. There is at least a fair chance that Venezuela re-joins the community of nations after this.

    If a plane crashes on the border of Ukraine and Afghanistan, where do we bury the survivors?
    No - if it crashes on the border of Ukraine and the Republic of China.

    FFS….
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890
    Nigelb said:

    This morning, the State Department renamed the former Institute of Peace to reflect the greatest dealmaker in our nation's history.

    Welcome to the Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace. The best is yet to come.

    https://x.com/StateDept/status/1996368099160080884

    Which is quite funny when you remember one of the blizzard of EOs he signed was to close it.

    https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/trump-signs-order-shuttering-four-government-entities

    Only to be blocked later by a judge...

    https://www.npr.org/2025/05/19/g-s1-67681/judge-block-trump-takeover-us-institute-of-peace
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,818
    FPT...

    I hadn't seen the news Maduro has been captured. Analogous to the seizure of Noriega in 1989.

    Whether you think Maduro's election was fair or fraudulent (and there's certainly evidence to suggest the latter) he is the de jure head of state and I'm not sure abducting him is an act with which I feel comfortable.

    It doesn't mean the collapse of the regime unless the regime feels it has no option but to dissolve and then you have the issue of what comes next, how it comes next and what it means for the citizens of Venezuela.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,682
    Apparently the US suffered zero casualties. That would seem to be hard to achieve without help from inside the Presidential Palace, or simply zero will to resist.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,682
    edited January 3
    stodge said:

    FPT...

    I hadn't seen the news Maduro has been captured. Analogous to the seizure of Noriega in 1989.

    Whether you think Maduro's election was fair or fraudulent (and there's certainly evidence to suggest the latter) he is the de jure head of state and I'm not sure abducting him is an act with which I feel comfortable.

    It doesn't mean the collapse of the regime unless the regime feels it has no option but to dissolve and then you have the issue of what comes next, how it comes next and what it means for the citizens of Venezuela.

    It demonstrates the power of the United States and the concentration of that power should always cause a degree of discomfort, particularly when it is in the hands of someone like Trump.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,735
    Nigelb said:

    As far as the Epstein revelations are concerned, not yet.

    CBS Folds Again, Cancels 60 Minutes Segment on Epstein Cover-up After DOJ Pressure
    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2007193664716763481

    CBS well on the way to becoming Fox2.

    Or as they say in your clip.........'*Remember kids CBS has lost the C...now just BS".
  • The capture of Maduro seems to be confirmed, as Rodriguez is demanding proof of life.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,818
    I was idly wondering if Maduro and his wife might end up as the Ceaucescus de nos jours but I suspect not.

    The Venezulean VP seems to be quite rightly seeking assurances Maduro and his wife haven't met with any problem and it's far too early to tell if any kind of regime collapse is in progress. I commented last night external intervention in domestic political events often supports the Government as it rallies people to the flag however much they might detest the regime.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,680
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    As far as the Epstein revelations are concerned, not yet.

    CBS Folds Again, Cancels 60 Minutes Segment on Epstein Cover-up After DOJ Pressure
    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2007193664716763481

    CBS well on the way to becoming Fox2.

    I’m gradually becoming convinced that the documents that Trump is afraid of is details of his being a Cooperating Witness against Epstein.

    Contrary to the movies, such informants are nearly always guilty (see Sonny Gravano), and doing it for a get out of jail card.

    Such a deal would include a signed admission of guilt (by Trump, for whatever he did) and details of the crimes that he committed. Usually including interviews from the informant admitting the crimes they committed.

    This would also explain why it hasn’t leaked already - such things are guarded to the highest degreee.
    It's a possibility.
    It's becoming increasingly unlikely that Trump isn't heavily implicated, in any event.
    Yes, Epstein isn't bringing down Trump. There's no smoking gun there.
    There very likely is.

    Epstein, along with a bunch of other shit, isn't bringing down Trump because the DOJ is staffed by his personal lawyers. Not a few of whom were involved in Epstein's original plea deal and coverup.
    But standards have become debauched. That's one of his biggest impacts. Eg it's already known that he's a sleazeball and a misogynist. I doubt there's any gamechanging revelations to come out of this. And he's not running again anyway.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,890

    Apparently the US suffered zero casualties. That would seem to be hard to achieve without help from inside the Presidential Palace, or simply zero will to resist.

    It is possible his (Maduro's) bodyguards were fed up too. Massive inflation, perennial shortages and a feeling the whole country hates you can't be good for morale.

    But it's also possible they were simply caught completely by surprise.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,705
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Did @TheScreamingEagles write this headline

    BREAKING:

    U.S. helicopters are POUNDING the Venezuelan military complex Fuerte Tiuna in Caracas

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2007351965437796353?s=61

    So it wasn't just about nicking Maduro?

    The whole situation sounds like a great big mess.

    Incidentally when you refer to 'saner minds in the US administration' I can only admire your optimism.
    If you simply steal Maduro, the next in line in his party will try and take over.

    Even Trump can join those dots
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,638

    The capture of Maduro seems to be confirmed, as Rodriguez is demanding proof of life.

    Not sure they're in any position to make demands.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,705

    The capture of Maduro seems to be confirmed, as Rodriguez is demanding proof of life.

    Question.

    Will Trump go for

    - Finger in the mail?
    - Blurry Polaroid of Maduro holding up the NYT?
  • ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Did @TheScreamingEagles write this headline

    BREAKING:

    U.S. helicopters are POUNDING the Venezuelan military complex Fuerte Tiuna in Caracas

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/2007351965437796353?s=61

    So it wasn't just about nicking Maduro?

    The whole situation sounds like a great big mess.

    Incidentally when you refer to 'saner minds in the US administration' I can only admire your optimism.
    If you simply steal Maduro, the next in line in his party will try and take over.

    Even Trump can join those dots
    That's optimistic.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,682
    Nigelb said:

    As far as the Epstein revelations are concerned, not yet.

    CBS Folds Again, Cancels 60 Minutes Segment on Epstein Cover-up After DOJ Pressure
    https://x.com/Kaos_Vs_Control/status/2007193664716763481

    CBS well on the way to becoming Fox2.

    Could you not argue that CBS is worse than FoxNews now?

    CBS is regime-controlled media.
    FoxNews is independent pro-regime media.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,374
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    This morning, the State Department renamed the former Institute of Peace to reflect the greatest dealmaker in our nation's history.

    Welcome to the Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace. The best is yet to come.

    https://x.com/StateDept/status/1996368099160080884

    Which is quite funny when you remember one of the blizzard of EOs he signed was to close it.

    https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/trump-signs-order-shuttering-four-government-entities

    Only to be blocked later by a judge...

    https://www.npr.org/2025/05/19/g-s1-67681/judge-block-trump-takeover-us-institute-of-peace
    This is the situation in US after one year. How many years is it going to take for the US to become a (fairly) sane country again. At this rate it'll have no friends or allies by 2029.
    Not that Trump thinks it needs any, of course.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,550

    Taz said:

    I'll confess to not knowing enough about Venezuela or Maduro to really have a view, but I will now research it.

    I've heard he's like another Chavez, but haven't digged into that yet.

    Don’t worry, just read PB, the PB experts (how many people profess to know the inner workings of Trumps mind after all) are now going to pivot onto Maduro, Venezuela and its oilfields.
    Maduro is Chavez 2.0 - without the subtly.

    His “victory” in the last election was basically what Trump was trying to achieve the time he lost.

    You’d have thought he & Trump would have been friends - shared interests on corruption, electoral fraud, attacking opponents with the powers of the state etc…
    I doubt whether Mr Trump has any real friends.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,019

    Trump renditions Maduro. Russia claims Ukraine attacked Putin – a (false) false flag to justify taking out Zelensky?

    The CIA has confirmed that "attack" was utter bollocks.

    Even Putin's spokesman was "We don't need to give any evidence. Because...."
    And Trump now knows unequivocally that Putin was telling him a bunch of pork pies.
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