I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Stadiums replace beef burgers with venison to cut carbon emissions
Brentford FC and Twickenham among those to have changed menus in move claimed to reduce harmful greenhouse gases by 85 per cent
For decades, the simple beef burger has been a staple part of the match-day diet of the United Kingdom’s sport-loving population. But now its presence at sporting events is under serious threat, as venues across the country are making the switch to wild venison in an attempt to reduce their carbon emissions.
The sustainability push is taking place at venues including Brentford’s Gtech Stadium, Molineux Stadium in Wolverhampton, the Oval cricket ground and the Allianz Stadium in Twickenham. Catering company Levy UK, which has implemented this initiative at more than 20 venues in the UK and Ireland, says it will have a dramatic impact on emissions.
EDITL: For those who don't know, venison is actually cheaper than beef now. The premium prices are for particular cuts and rarity value. If you start ordering by the hundred ton.....
Stadiums replace beef burgers with venison to cut carbon emissions
Brentford FC and Twickenham among those to have changed menus in move claimed to reduce harmful greenhouse gases by 85 per cent
For decades, the simple beef burger has been a staple part of the match-day diet of the United Kingdom’s sport-loving population. But now its presence at sporting events is under serious threat, as venues across the country are making the switch to wild venison in an attempt to reduce their carbon emissions.
The sustainability push is taking place at venues including Brentford’s Gtech Stadium, Molineux Stadium in Wolverhampton, the Oval cricket ground and the Allianz Stadium in Twickenham. Catering company Levy UK, which has implemented this initiative at more than 20 venues in the UK and Ireland, says it will have a dramatic impact on emissions.
EDITL: For those who don't know, venison is actually cheaper than beef now. The premium prices are for particular cuts and rarity value. If you start ordering by the hundred ton.....
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
It seems like a heck of a lot of money to spend on already privileged people. I’m sure there are better uses of the resources
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
I just read on wiki that the shortest length of Erasmus placements is two months. I’ve no idea how many are that short, but they’re definitely not all a year
Stadiums replace beef burgers with venison to cut carbon emissions
Brentford FC and Twickenham among those to have changed menus in move claimed to reduce harmful greenhouse gases by 85 per cent
For decades, the simple beef burger has been a staple part of the match-day diet of the United Kingdom’s sport-loving population. But now its presence at sporting events is under serious threat, as venues across the country are making the switch to wild venison in an attempt to reduce their carbon emissions.
The sustainability push is taking place at venues including Brentford’s Gtech Stadium, Molineux Stadium in Wolverhampton, the Oval cricket ground and the Allianz Stadium in Twickenham. Catering company Levy UK, which has implemented this initiative at more than 20 venues in the UK and Ireland, says it will have a dramatic impact on emissions.
EDITL: For those who don't know, venison is actually cheaper than beef now. The premium prices are for particular cuts and rarity value. If you start ordering by the hundred ton.....
Stadiums replace beef burgers with venison to cut carbon emissions
Brentford FC and Twickenham among those to have changed menus in move claimed to reduce harmful greenhouse gases by 85 per cent
For decades, the simple beef burger has been a staple part of the match-day diet of the United Kingdom’s sport-loving population. But now its presence at sporting events is under serious threat, as venues across the country are making the switch to wild venison in an attempt to reduce their carbon emissions.
The sustainability push is taking place at venues including Brentford’s Gtech Stadium, Molineux Stadium in Wolverhampton, the Oval cricket ground and the Allianz Stadium in Twickenham. Catering company Levy UK, which has implemented this initiative at more than 20 venues in the UK and Ireland, says it will have a dramatic impact on emissions.
EDITL: For those who don't know, venison is actually cheaper than beef now. The premium prices are for particular cuts and rarity value. If you start ordering by the hundred ton.....
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Even were that the case, and I believe Turing ones can be a year too, the numbers still don't stack up.
1/4 of the people at 6x the cost is a 24-fold increase in cost per person.
There are not 24 academic months per semester or year.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
It seems like a heck of a lot of money to spend on already privileged people. I’m sure there are better uses of the resources
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
It was still a bloody fool scheme (with a bloody fool and inappropriate name, as an aside). Given we got far more out of Erasmus than we put in I'm glad we're reversing that mistake.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
Ah. I stand corrected. A month seems far too short a time to actually learn much.
Stadiums replace beef burgers with venison to cut carbon emissions
Brentford FC and Twickenham among those to have changed menus in move claimed to reduce harmful greenhouse gases by 85 per cent
For decades, the simple beef burger has been a staple part of the match-day diet of the United Kingdom’s sport-loving population. But now its presence at sporting events is under serious threat, as venues across the country are making the switch to wild venison in an attempt to reduce their carbon emissions.
The sustainability push is taking place at venues including Brentford’s Gtech Stadium, Molineux Stadium in Wolverhampton, the Oval cricket ground and the Allianz Stadium in Twickenham. Catering company Levy UK, which has implemented this initiative at more than 20 venues in the UK and Ireland, says it will have a dramatic impact on emissions.
EDITL: For those who don't know, venison is actually cheaper than beef now. The premium prices are for particular cuts and rarity value. If you start ordering by the hundred ton.....
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
It was still a bloody fool scheme (with a bloody fool and inappropriate name, as an aside). Given we got far more out of Erasmus than we put in I'm glad we're reversing that mistake.
£570 million is a hell of a lot to be putting in.
What is it delivering that Turing didnt for £100 million?
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
I just read on wiki that the shortest length of Erasmus placements is two months. I’ve no idea how many are that short, but they’re definitely not all a year
In my day, Erasmus placements were generally for a year, though that might be spilt between two countries. I seem to remember this was more typical for language students.
I've struggled to find much information on the relative merits of Erasmus and Turing, save that the Turing scheme seems to have suffered somewhat from poor administration.
US warns Europe against giving frozen Russian billions to Ukraine
As European leaders prepare to meet on Thursday, Washington is pressuring them to abandon plans to seize assets because they ‘are going to have to give it back’
America is probably right about the frozen assets though. I'm surprised the international law and global order enthusiasts are so cavalier about property rights.
It is probably best to invest the lot in TrumpCoin and give the profits to Ukraine, and eventually return the principal to Russia. What could go wrong?
Technically, and actually so in an important way, there is no change to ownership of these assets. Which is why Belgium is up in arms about it. A "loan" is made to Ukraine using these assets as backing. The loan is not required to be repaid until Russia provides reparations to that country. The assets are frozen until such time the reparations are resolved, which is quite likely to be indefinite. Russia doesn't pay reparations and the EU doesn't unfreeze the assets.
Belgium is concerned that the assets may be unfrozen before Ukraine sees any reparations.
Some of the banks holding assets have expressed concern that they may end up between two legal jurisdictions if the release the assets, rather than just freezing them.
As in understand it, Ukraine will collapse if it doesn't get billions of funding this year and next. Given that, EU members have three choices I think:
1. Let Ukraine collapse 2. Pony up billions on their own account 3. Raise money on Russian assets with a risk they may become liable later
(3) looks a slam dunk to me. The assets can only be unfrozen if an EU court requires it or where almost all members vote to release the assets and where those members are also voting to take on massive new liabilities they wouldn't otherwise have.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
It was still a bloody fool scheme (with a bloody fool and inappropriate name, as an aside). Given we got far more out of Erasmus than we put in I'm glad we're reversing that mistake.
£570 million is a hell of a lot to be putting in.
What is it delivering that Turing didnt for £100 million?
Students from the EU coming here, making a large profit for the university sector and leaving them with an abiding interest in Britain?
(Edit - and of course, if Johnson hadn't pulled out to try and demonstrate his independence, we wouldn't be paying more than about £240 million and would still be getting something like £600 million back. Demonstrating yet again that he is a pig-ignorant fool.)
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
It seems like a heck of a lot of money to spend on already privileged people. I’m sure there are better uses of the resources
PB contributors are in a minority according to the survey and the comments on this thread. Are we: thicker, more curmudgeonly, more Reform adjacent or just don’t want to spend money on anything that benefits others?
US warns Europe against giving frozen Russian billions to Ukraine
As European leaders prepare to meet on Thursday, Washington is pressuring them to abandon plans to seize assets because they ‘are going to have to give it back’
America is probably right about the frozen assets though. I'm surprised the international law and global order enthusiasts are so cavalier about property rights.
It is probably best to invest the lot in TrumpCoin and give the profits to Ukraine, and eventually return the principal to Russia. What could go wrong?
Technically, and actually so in an important way, there is no change to ownership of these assets. Which is why Belgium is up in arms about it. A "loan" is made to Ukraine using these assets as backing. The loan is not required to be repaid until Russia provides reparations to that country. The assets are frozen until such time the reparations are resolved, which is quite likely to be indefinite. Russia doesn't pay reparations and the EU doesn't unfreeze the assets.
Belgium is concerned that the assets may be unfrozen before Ukraine sees any reparations.
Some of the banks holding assets have expressed concern that they may end up between two legal jurisdictions if the release the assets, rather than just freezing them.
As in understand it, Ukraine will collapse if it doesn't get billions of funding this year and next. Given that, EU members have three choices I think:
1. Let Ukraine collapse 2. Pony up billions on their own account 3. Raise money on Russian assets with a risk they may become liable later
(3) looks a slam dunk to me. The assets can only be unfrozen if an EU court requires it or where almost all members vote to release the assets and where those members are also voting to take on massive new liabilities they wouldn't otherwise have.
IIRC the banks said that they wanted legal guarantees from the EU about the action. As in the EU is ultimately liable. See the court cases in such venues as the WTO courts.
The Belgians and others have picked up on this.
Nothing is risk free. Someone has to promise to be bag holder.
Stadiums replace beef burgers with venison to cut carbon emissions
Brentford FC and Twickenham among those to have changed menus in move claimed to reduce harmful greenhouse gases by 85 per cent
For decades, the simple beef burger has been a staple part of the match-day diet of the United Kingdom’s sport-loving population. But now its presence at sporting events is under serious threat, as venues across the country are making the switch to wild venison in an attempt to reduce their carbon emissions.
The sustainability push is taking place at venues including Brentford’s Gtech Stadium, Molineux Stadium in Wolverhampton, the Oval cricket ground and the Allianz Stadium in Twickenham. Catering company Levy UK, which has implemented this initiative at more than 20 venues in the UK and Ireland, says it will have a dramatic impact on emissions.
EDITL: For those who don't know, venison is actually cheaper than beef now. The premium prices are for particular cuts and rarity value. If you start ordering by the hundred ton.....
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
It was still a bloody fool scheme (with a bloody fool and inappropriate name, as an aside). Given we got far more out of Erasmus than we put in I'm glad we're reversing that mistake.
£570 million is a hell of a lot to be putting in.
What is it delivering that Turing didnt for £100 million?
Students from the EU coming here, making a large profit for the university sector and leaving them with an abiding interest in Britain?
(Edit - and of course, if Johnson hadn't pulled out to try and demonstrate his independence, we wouldn't be paying more than about £240 million and would still be getting something like £600 million back. Demonstrating yet again that he is a pig-ignorant fool.)
What is stopping students from the EU coming here today?
I do not see why we need to pay 24x more per person in order to allow that.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
It seems like a heck of a lot of money to spend on already privileged people. I’m sure there are better uses of the resources
PB contributors are in a minority according to the survey and the comments on this thread. Are we: thicker, more curmudgeonly, more Reform adjacent or just don’t want to spend money on anything that benefits others?
Try this - how many training places in the NHS (so that we can turn graduates into doctors) would you get for £570 million?
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
It seems like a heck of a lot of money to spend on already privileged people. I’m sure there are better uses of the resources
PB contributors are in a minority according to the survey and the comments on this thread. Are we: thicker, more curmudgeonly, more Reform adjacent or just don’t want to spend money on anything that benefits others?
I am happy for money to be spent on students.
I am not happy for money to be wasted.
6x the cost for 1/4 of the value does not compute.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
Because the new Erasmus scheme covers up to 100k per annum, and has a complementary focus on Europe, whilst Turing is "the rest of the world".
I don't think offering renewed student exchange Erasmus schemes means much and certainly not the end of Brexit. Even if the Conservatives would have preferred to keep the more limited Turing exchange scheme which also includes students from other parts of the world
Nevertheless the Tories’ describing this as betraying Brexit is a mistake, both tactical (since it will only impress those already of that opinion) and strategic, since if the government succeeds in delivering this to majority public support and without any political backlash, despite the Tories and Reform trying to manufacture one, they will be more confident at taking us back towards fuller integration with the EU.
Listening to PMQ today, Kemi has the wrong end of the wrong shtick.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
It seems like a heck of a lot of money to spend on already privileged people. I’m sure there are better uses of the resources
PB contributors are in a minority according to the survey and the comments on this thread. Are we: thicker, more curmudgeonly, more Reform adjacent or just don’t want to spend money on anything that benefits others?
If those are the only options you've considered, you seem to be putting yourself in category one.
Voters support middle class kids dossing around for a year abroad. 👍
You, and the poll question, are not quite right. It's not just for university students - it includes apprentices and FE college vocational students, many/most of whom are not middle class. In 2018/19 10,000 Erasmus beneficiaries were university students, and 8,000 were from the latter groups. And you may not have noticed, but a lot of university students aren't middle class these days.
Personally, I'm pleasantly surprised by the polling on this.
The polling is worthless without any mention of the cost.
No one is interested in the cost. Big government figures are meaningless. Millions billions shmillions....if only we were all accountants we might give a shit
If we were all accountants we would know the price of everything….. Read PB comments …. oh wait!
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
Because the new Erasmus scheme covers up to 100k per annum, and has a complementary focus on Europe, whilst Turing is "the rest of the world".
I don't think offering renewed student exchange Erasmus schemes means much and certainly not the end of Brexit. Even if the Conservatives would have preferred to keep the more limited Turing exchange scheme which also includes students from other parts of the world
Nevertheless the Tories’ describing this as betraying Brexit is a mistake, both tactical (since it will only impress those already of that opinion) and strategic, since if the government succeeds in delivering this to majority public support and without any political backlash, despite the Tories and Reform trying to manufacture one, they will be more confident at taking us back towards fuller integration with the EU.
Listening to PMQ today, Kemi has the wrong end of the wrong shtick.
That doesn't appear to be the general verdict, but I suppose when you support Keir Starmer, it's all relative.
I don't think offering renewed student exchange Erasmus schemes means much and certainly not the end of Brexit. Even if the Conservatives would have preferred to keep the more limited Turing exchange scheme which also includes students from other parts of the world
Nevertheless the Tories’ describing this as betraying Brexit is a mistake, both tactical (since it will only impress those already of that opinion) and strategic, since if the government succeeds in delivering this to majority public support and without any political backlash, despite the Tories and Reform trying to manufacture one, they will be more confident at taking us back towards fuller integration with the EU.
I don't think offering renewed student exchange Erasmus schemes means much and certainly not the end of Brexit. Even if the Conservatives would have preferred to keep the more limited Turing exchange scheme which also includes students from other parts of the world
Nevertheless the Tories’ describing this as betraying Brexit is a mistake, both tactical (since it will only impress those already of that opinion) and strategic, since if the government succeeds in delivering this to majority public support and without any political backlash, despite the Tories and Reform trying to manufacture one, they will be more confident at taking us back towards fuller integration with the EU.
Petit à petit, l'oiseau fait son nid.
I learned that on Erasmus.
[Gallic shrug] Mais, je ne comprends pas le français!
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
It was still a bloody fool scheme (with a bloody fool and inappropriate name, as an aside). Given we got far more out of Erasmus than we put in I'm glad we're reversing that mistake.
£570 million is a hell of a lot to be putting in.
What is it delivering that Turing didnt for £100 million?
Students from the EU coming here, making a large profit for the university sector and leaving them with an abiding interest in Britain?
(Edit - and of course, if Johnson hadn't pulled out to try and demonstrate his independence, we wouldn't be paying more than about £240 million and would still be getting something like £600 million back. Demonstrating yet again that he is a pig-ignorant fool.)
Johnson can hardly be called a pig-ignorant fool; he knows about Peppa.
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
He was quite important in the development of humanism
I read In Praise of Folly in the sixth form, and really enjoyed it.
IIRC, he wrote the whole thing in the back of a cart as it transported him from Rome to Amsterdam.
Edit to add: my recollection is wrong. He did write it in a week, but it was while staying with Thomas More. Which suggests Thomas More was a terrible host.
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
(I suspect their numbers are pulled out of someone's anus.)
We should spend some of that money sending Daily Mail journalists to Europe, but not the cheap lager and full English places, so that they can see that most Europeans are at least as civilised as us. They may get a surprise.
All of the correspondents with an emergent and burgeoning interest in Erasmus are directed toward this film which is a fairly realistic and amusing portrayal of the experience.
Voters support middle class kids dossing around for a year abroad. 👍
It isn't like that at all. My wife went to the University of Parma on an Erasmus scholarship 35 years ago. She learned all about EU law in relation to the UK ( granted, a waste of time now) and she speaks Italian like an Italian.
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
All of the correspondents with an emergent and burgeoning interest in Erasmus are directed toward this film which is a fairly realistic and amusing portrayal of the experience.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
It was still a bloody fool scheme (with a bloody fool and inappropriate name, as an aside). Given we got far more out of Erasmus than we put in I'm glad we're reversing that mistake.
£570 million is a hell of a lot to be putting in.
What is it delivering that Turing didnt for £100 million?
Students from the EU coming here, making a large profit for the university sector and leaving them with an abiding interest in Britain?
(Edit - and of course, if Johnson hadn't pulled out to try and demonstrate his independence, we wouldn't be paying more than about £240 million and would still be getting something like £600 million back. Demonstrating yet again that he is a pig-ignorant fool.)
They're paying home fees. If that's a profit for the university sector it can only be because of a subsidy, direct or indirect, surely?
The Turing scheme was nowhere near as good for the students as Erasmus is . Bozo thought he could dupe the gullible by sticking the Turing name on it .
As for the right wing papers trashing Erasmus . Talk about mean spirited and unhinged nonsense . The EU hate is just so fxcking pathetic now .
The Turing scheme was nowhere near as good for the students as Erasmus is . Bozo thought he could dupe the gullible by sticking the Turing name on it .
You keep posting this, but you never say why! Do you have a link to a comparison?
All of the correspondents with an emergent and burgeoning interest in Erasmus are directed toward this film which is a fairly realistic and amusing portrayal of the experience.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
It was still a bloody fool scheme (with a bloody fool and inappropriate name, as an aside). Given we got far more out of Erasmus than we put in I'm glad we're reversing that mistake.
£570 million is a hell of a lot to be putting in.
What is it delivering that Turing didnt for £100 million?
Students from the EU coming here, making a large profit for the university sector and leaving them with an abiding interest in Britain?
(Edit - and of course, if Johnson hadn't pulled out to try and demonstrate his independence, we wouldn't be paying more than about £240 million and would still be getting something like £600 million back. Demonstrating yet again that he is a pig-ignorant fool.)
They're paying home fees. If that's a profit for the university sector it can only be because of a subsidy, direct or indirect, surely?
Because the home students are paying home fees, and Erasmus is an attractive element to encourage them in?
The Turing scheme was nowhere near as good for the students as Erasmus is . Bozo thought he could dupe the gullible by sticking the Turing name on it .
You keep posting this, but you never say why! Do you have a link to a comparison?
That’s an AI brief overview .
Financial Strain: The Turing Scheme's later funding confirmation dates and lack of guaranteed tuition fee waivers or universal travel grants created significant financial uncertainty, disproportionately affecting students from less affluent backgrounds who could not afford upfront costs.
Reduced Opportunities: The lack of inward mobility from EU students meant UK universities lost a significant source of funding and cultural diversity, which also impacted the wider UK economy.
Bureaucracy: The application process for the Turing Scheme was often described as more difficult and complex for universities to manage compared to the established Erasmus system.
Sounds like Trump is confirming Dan Bongino is leaving the FBI as deputy director, telling reporters he did a great job and “wants to go back to his show.”
And yet there are still a few people here who think he was a better option than Harris.
I was amused on the last thread to see that one poster noted the right can get away with everything while the left get criticised for it.
As an example, other posters commented how Buttigieg was ruled out because he didn't clearly say Biden was getting a bit past it, and would thus lose to Vance because of the questions he (Buttigieg) would face about it. While ignoring the significant drawback that Vance is covering up that Trump manifestly has advanced and rapidly progressing dementia.
This isn't undoing Brexit but consolidating it. In the end there will be no reason to rejoin because we'll have negotiated all the things we want anyway.
If you're conceding the single market and freedom of movement, what was the reason for Brexit ?
Voters support middle class kids dossing around for a year abroad. 👍
It isn't like that at all. My wife went to the University of Parma on an Erasmus scholarship 35 years ago. She learned all about EU law in relation to the UK ( granted, a waste of time now) and she speaks Italian like an Italian.
As I said on the previous thread my granddaughter went to Turin University in 2024 from Leeds as part of her Italian language and culture course
She obtained her degree this year and of course speaks fluent Italian alongside other languages
I have no problem with Erasmus but it didn't prevent my granddaughter studying in Turin for the year
I would also suggest rejoining Eramus is simply not the prelude to rejoin the EU as remainers seem to hope
I don't think offering renewed student exchange Erasmus schemes means much and certainly not the end of Brexit. Even if the Conservatives would have preferred to keep the more limited Turing exchange scheme which also includes students from other parts of the world
Nevertheless the Tories’ describing this as betraying Brexit is a mistake, both tactical (since it will only impress those already of that opinion) and strategic, since if the government succeeds in delivering this to majority public support and without any political backlash, despite the Tories and Reform trying to manufacture one, they will be more confident at taking us back towards fuller integration with the EU.
It's also flat out stupid. They might disagree with the policy, but in no universe can it be described as a "betrayal of Brexit".
Sounds like Trump is confirming Dan Bongino is leaving the FBI as deputy director, telling reporters he did a great job and “wants to go back to his show.”
I don't think offering renewed student exchange Erasmus schemes means much and certainly not the end of Brexit. Even if the Conservatives would have preferred to keep the more limited Turing exchange scheme which also includes students from other parts of the world
Nevertheless the Tories’ describing this as betraying Brexit is a mistake, both tactical (since it will only impress those already of that opinion) and strategic, since if the government succeeds in delivering this to majority public support and without any political backlash, despite the Tories and Reform trying to manufacture one, they will be more confident at taking us back towards fuller integration with the EU.
It's also flat out stupid. They might disagree with the policy, but in no universe can it be described as a "betrayal of Brexit".
It is simply not, but sadly you will not stop the extreme of leave and remain supporters trying to win an unwinnable point
The Turing scheme was nowhere near as good for the students as Erasmus is . Bozo thought he could dupe the gullible by sticking the Turing name on it .
You keep posting this, but you never say why! Do you have a link to a comparison?
That’s an AI brief overview .
Financial Strain: The Turing Scheme's later funding confirmation dates and lack of guaranteed tuition fee waivers or universal travel grants created significant financial uncertainty, disproportionately affecting students from less affluent backgrounds who could not afford upfront costs.
Reduced Opportunities: The lack of inward mobility from EU students meant UK universities lost a significant source of funding and cultural diversity, which also impacted the wider UK economy.
Bureaucracy: The application process for the Turing Scheme was often described as more difficult and complex for universities to manage compared to the established Erasmus system.
I see there is no mention of the £570m per year cost in the question.
Instead it mentions 'without paying extra fees'.
According to the BBC there were 9,900 UK students who participated in Erasmus in its last year so if an equivalent number took part that would make it about £57k per student.
Compare with the Turing scheme which seems to be benefitting about 40k students for only £100m.
Once again the EU is exposed as a waste of money and this government yet again shows it couldn't get interest free credit at DFS.
I don't understand the logic of Erasmus.
40k people is considerably more than 9,900.
£100m is considerably less than £570 million.
If we have a half billion pounds lying about to spend on tertiary education, why not give it via Turing which was already helping four times more people at 1/6th of the cost?
I think the Erasmus placements are substantially longer than the Turing placements, that is, a semester or year rather than a month.
Turing placements can be a year
It was still a bloody fool scheme (with a bloody fool and inappropriate name, as an aside). Given we got far more out of Erasmus than we put in I'm glad we're reversing that mistake.
£570 million is a hell of a lot to be putting in.
What is it delivering that Turing didnt for £100 million?
Students from the EU coming here, making a large profit for the university sector and leaving them with an abiding interest in Britain?
(Edit - and of course, if Johnson hadn't pulled out to try and demonstrate his independence, we wouldn't be paying more than about £240 million and would still be getting something like £600 million back. Demonstrating yet again that he is a pig-ignorant fool.)
They're paying home fees. If that's a profit for the university sector it can only be because of a subsidy, direct or indirect, surely?
Because the home students are paying home fees, and Erasmus is an attractive element to encourage them in?
Again, students paying home fees, wherever they hail from, are a net loss to each University. This is why we have so many foreign students and why universities which can't get enough of them are flailing.
(Unless universities are lying to us about that, of course.)
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
The Turing scheme was nowhere near as good for the students as Erasmus is . Bozo thought he could dupe the gullible by sticking the Turing name on it .
You keep posting this, but you never say why! Do you have a link to a comparison?
That’s an AI brief overview .
Financial Strain: The Turing Scheme's later funding confirmation dates and lack of guaranteed tuition fee waivers or universal travel grants created significant financial uncertainty, disproportionately affecting students from less affluent backgrounds who could not afford upfront costs.
Reduced Opportunities: The lack of inward mobility from EU students meant UK universities lost a significant source of funding and cultural diversity, which also impacted the wider UK economy.
Bureaucracy: The application process for the Turing Scheme was often described as more difficult and complex for universities to manage compared to the established Erasmus system.
Oh dear.
Oh dear what ! That’s a brief overview which is accurate . Yes I know it’s AI !
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
The callous comments some have made under this disgust me, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Why? It’s their idiotic choice. No one is forceably starving the idiots.
The past history of hunger strikes in the Maze, by suffragettes and various independence is that they are strong recruiting motivators for their cause.
Either bailing them or fixing trial dates seems reasonable. I think though that the government is afraid of the PA activists. A jury is likely to acquit them.
At some point we need to meet fire with fire, like hacking Russian TV and showing footage on all channels of Putin getting rogered senseless by fantastically well endowed porn stars wearing Stalin facemasks.
Belgian politicians and finance bosses targeted by Russian intelligence over seized assets
Exclusive: Key figures at frozen assets depository among targets of intimidation campaign, say European intelligence agencies
Belgian politicians and senior finance executives have been subject to a campaign of intimidation orchestrated by Russian intelligence aimed at persuading the country to block the use of €185bn assets for Ukraine, according to European intelligence agencies.
Security officials indicated to the Guardian that there had been deliberate targeting of key figures at Euroclear, the securities depository holding the majority of Russia’s frozen assets, and leaders of the country.
EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday are debating whether to approve the lending of urgently needed funds for Ukraine secured on Russian central bank assets, critical to maintain Kyiv’s war effort through 2026 and 2027.
Officials believe the campaign is the responsibility of Russia’s GRU military intelligence, though there is a debate about the degree of threat. “They have been engaged in the tactics of intimidation for sure,” one European official said.
At some point soon Starmer needs to tell the country that we are effectively at war. Get sensible and stop focussing on fripperies. We have become so removed from that mentality - I remember how the phone books as a child had guidance pages of what to do when a nuclear war starts - this isn’t about telling people to hide under a table and you will be fine when the bomb drops. It’s about a national mindset change where people stop thinking about being influencers and start looking outwards at a world where they might have to fight. If you like a ruck on a night out join up. The whole country needs to start thinking about getting their shit together. Start being serious.
Sounds like Trump is confirming Dan Bongino is leaving the FBI as deputy director, telling reporters he did a great job and “wants to go back to his show.”
Dan is going to be sharing some REALLY interesting insights from inside the White House for his new show.
2. Permission for additional buildings on existing plots, so long as they take no more than twice the footprint of the original house. This will allow densification with mid-rise blocks of flats in back gardens . Here’s an example before and after from the Croydon design guide:
Sounds like Trump is confirming Dan Bongino is leaving the FBI as deputy director, telling reporters he did a great job and “wants to go back to his show.”
Dan is going to be sharing some REALLY interesting insights from inside the White House for his new show.
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
The callous comments some have made under this disgust me, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Why? It’s their idiotic choice. No one is forceably starving the idiots.
The past history of hunger strikes in the Maze, by suffragettes and various independence is that they are strong recruiting motivators for their cause.
Either bailing them or fixing trial dates seems reasonable. I think though that the government is afraid of the PA activists. A jury is likely to acquit them.
Hmm. Are we conflating people who have held up signs about Palestine action and the ones arrested for actual criminal behaviour? I doubt it’s the former on hunger strike.
At least with the IRA we were involved. It’s not U.K. troops blowing up schools/Hamas bases (delete as appropriate) in Gaza. I get people have strong passions, but that doesn’t mean governments should just change policy.
At some point we need to meet fire with fire, like hacking Russian TV and showing footage on all channels of Putin getting rogered senseless by fantastically well endowed porn stars wearing Stalin facemasks.
Belgian politicians and finance bosses targeted by Russian intelligence over seized assets
Exclusive: Key figures at frozen assets depository among targets of intimidation campaign, say European intelligence agencies
Belgian politicians and senior finance executives have been subject to a campaign of intimidation orchestrated by Russian intelligence aimed at persuading the country to block the use of €185bn assets for Ukraine, according to European intelligence agencies.
Security officials indicated to the Guardian that there had been deliberate targeting of key figures at Euroclear, the securities depository holding the majority of Russia’s frozen assets, and leaders of the country.
EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday are debating whether to approve the lending of urgently needed funds for Ukraine secured on Russian central bank assets, critical to maintain Kyiv’s war effort through 2026 and 2027.
Officials believe the campaign is the responsibility of Russia’s GRU military intelligence, though there is a debate about the degree of threat. “They have been engaged in the tactics of intimidation for sure,” one European official said.
At some point soon Starmer needs to tell the country that we are effectively at war. Get sensible and stop focussing on fripperies. We have become so removed from that mentality - I remember how the phone books as a child had guidance pages of what to do when a nuclear war starts - this isn’t about telling people to hide under a table and you will be fine when the bomb drops. It’s about a national mindset change where people stop thinking about being influencers and start looking outwards at a world where they might have to fight. If you like a ruck on a night out join up. The whole country needs to start thinking about getting their shit together. Start being serious.
“Starmer’s Vietnam” will go viral before he even finishes the speech.
Tell the country that we’re at war with Russia over the Ukraine and watch support for the Ukraine collapse. Give or buy them kit and quietly help the Poles get the bomb.
At some point we need to meet fire with fire, like hacking Russian TV and showing footage on all channels of Putin getting rogered senseless by fantastically well endowed porn stars wearing Stalin facemasks.
Belgian politicians and finance bosses targeted by Russian intelligence over seized assets
Exclusive: Key figures at frozen assets depository among targets of intimidation campaign, say European intelligence agencies
Belgian politicians and senior finance executives have been subject to a campaign of intimidation orchestrated by Russian intelligence aimed at persuading the country to block the use of €185bn assets for Ukraine, according to European intelligence agencies.
Security officials indicated to the Guardian that there had been deliberate targeting of key figures at Euroclear, the securities depository holding the majority of Russia’s frozen assets, and leaders of the country.
EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday are debating whether to approve the lending of urgently needed funds for Ukraine secured on Russian central bank assets, critical to maintain Kyiv’s war effort through 2026 and 2027.
Officials believe the campaign is the responsibility of Russia’s GRU military intelligence, though there is a debate about the degree of threat. “They have been engaged in the tactics of intimidation for sure,” one European official said.
At some point soon Starmer needs to tell the country that we are effectively at war. Get sensible and stop focussing on fripperies. We have become so removed from that mentality - I remember how the phone books as a child had guidance pages of what to do when a nuclear war starts - this isn’t about telling people to hide under a table and you will be fine when the bomb drops. It’s about a national mindset change where people stop thinking about being influencers and start looking outwards at a world where they might have to fight. If you like a ruck on a night out join up. The whole country needs to start thinking about getting their shit together. Start being serious.
But effectively at war with Russia also means effectively at war with Trump. Starmer and Rutte are in a competition over who will stay most faithful to Daddy D.
This kind of statement would once be made inside the most rarified councils of state, some ultralimited Special Group, wherein POTUS & his most trusted advisors would commit to never putting anything in writing yet some handwritten archival scrap excavated 50 years later would reveal the truth.
Trump on Venezuela: "Getting land, oil rights, whatever we had -- they took it away because we had a president that maybe wasn't watching. But they're not gonna do that. We want it back. They took our oil rights. We had a lot of oil there. They threw our companies out. And we want it back."
At some point we need to meet fire with fire, like hacking Russian TV and showing footage on all channels of Putin getting rogered senseless by fantastically well endowed porn stars wearing Stalin facemasks.
Belgian politicians and finance bosses targeted by Russian intelligence over seized assets
Exclusive: Key figures at frozen assets depository among targets of intimidation campaign, say European intelligence agencies
Belgian politicians and senior finance executives have been subject to a campaign of intimidation orchestrated by Russian intelligence aimed at persuading the country to block the use of €185bn assets for Ukraine, according to European intelligence agencies.
Security officials indicated to the Guardian that there had been deliberate targeting of key figures at Euroclear, the securities depository holding the majority of Russia’s frozen assets, and leaders of the country.
EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday are debating whether to approve the lending of urgently needed funds for Ukraine secured on Russian central bank assets, critical to maintain Kyiv’s war effort through 2026 and 2027.
Officials believe the campaign is the responsibility of Russia’s GRU military intelligence, though there is a debate about the degree of threat. “They have been engaged in the tactics of intimidation for sure,” one European official said.
At some point soon Starmer needs to tell the country that we are effectively at war. Get sensible and stop focussing on fripperies. We have become so removed from that mentality - I remember how the phone books as a child had guidance pages of what to do when a nuclear war starts - this isn’t about telling people to hide under a table and you will be fine when the bomb drops. It’s about a national mindset change where people stop thinking about being influencers and start looking outwards at a world where they might have to fight. If you like a ruck on a night out join up. The whole country needs to start thinking about getting their shit together. Start being serious.
Well we can't count on these poppy wearing borscht eating surrender monkeys:
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
The callous comments some have made under this disgust me, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Why? It’s their idiotic choice. No one is forceably starving the idiots.
The past history of hunger strikes in the Maze, by suffragettes and various independence is that they are strong recruiting motivators for their cause.
Either bailing them or fixing trial dates seems reasonable. I think though that the government is afraid of the PA activists. A jury is likely to acquit them.
Good thing Lammy is dealing with that Jury problem then...
At some point we need to meet fire with fire, like hacking Russian TV and showing footage on all channels of Putin getting rogered senseless by fantastically well endowed porn stars wearing Stalin facemasks.
Belgian politicians and finance bosses targeted by Russian intelligence over seized assets
Exclusive: Key figures at frozen assets depository among targets of intimidation campaign, say European intelligence agencies
Belgian politicians and senior finance executives have been subject to a campaign of intimidation orchestrated by Russian intelligence aimed at persuading the country to block the use of €185bn assets for Ukraine, according to European intelligence agencies.
Security officials indicated to the Guardian that there had been deliberate targeting of key figures at Euroclear, the securities depository holding the majority of Russia’s frozen assets, and leaders of the country.
EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday are debating whether to approve the lending of urgently needed funds for Ukraine secured on Russian central bank assets, critical to maintain Kyiv’s war effort through 2026 and 2027.
Officials believe the campaign is the responsibility of Russia’s GRU military intelligence, though there is a debate about the degree of threat. “They have been engaged in the tactics of intimidation for sure,” one European official said.
At some point soon Starmer needs to tell the country that we are effectively at war. Get sensible and stop focussing on fripperies. We have become so removed from that mentality - I remember how the phone books as a child had guidance pages of what to do when a nuclear war starts - this isn’t about telling people to hide under a table and you will be fine when the bomb drops. It’s about a national mindset change where people stop thinking about being influencers and start looking outwards at a world where they might have to fight. If you like a ruck on a night out join up. The whole country needs to start thinking about getting their shit together. Start being serious.
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
The callous comments some have made under this disgust me, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Why? It’s their idiotic choice. No one is forceably starving the idiots.
The past history of hunger strikes in the Maze, by suffragettes and various independence is that they are strong recruiting motivators for their cause.
Either bailing them or fixing trial dates seems reasonable. I think though that the government is afraid of the PA activists. A jury is likely to acquit them.
Good thing Lammy is dealing with that Jury problem then...
Plus this is arguably assisted dying. And who need safeguards for that?
2. Permission for additional buildings on existing plots, so long as they take no more than twice the footprint of the original house. This will allow densification with mid-rise blocks of flats in back gardens . Here’s an example before and after from the Croydon design guide:
Starmer might have to avoid Brighton hotels for the next few years.
Palestine Action hunger strikers ‘set to die unless minister acts’
David Lammy, the justice secretary, has refused to meet lawyers for eight protesters refusing food while they await trials scheduled for months away
Palestine Action activists on hunger strike are likely to die in prison if the justice secretary does not intervene, lawyers for the eight protesters have claimed.
On Wednesday two of the group reached day 46 of their protest — the point at which Martin Hurson, 24, became the sixth of ten IRA hunger strikers to die in 1981. A third is on day 45.
In a letter sent to David Lammy, the justice secretary and deputy prime minister, on Tuesday the activists’ lawyers said that without intervention their deaths were “increasingly more than a mere possibility. It is a likelihood.”
Qesser Zuhrah, 20, who is on remand in HMP Bronzefield in Surrey, has been refusing food since November 2. She collapsed “a few nights ago” with her legs shaking uncontrollably, her lawyers said.
The callous comments some have made under this disgust me, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Why? It’s their idiotic choice. No one is forceably starving the idiots.
The past history of hunger strikes in the Maze, by suffragettes and various independence is that they are strong recruiting motivators for their cause.
Either bailing them or fixing trial dates seems reasonable. I think though that the government is afraid of the PA activists. A jury is likely to acquit them.
Good thing Lammy is dealing with that Jury problem then...
Its a matter of joining the dots as to why Lammy floated this now.
2. Permission for additional buildings on existing plots, so long as they take no more than twice the footprint of the original house. This will allow densification with mid-rise blocks of flats in back gardens . Here’s an example before and after from the Croydon design guide:
We had exactly this debate with @BartholomewRoberts a while ago when he was arguing that this should be allowed.
I'm sure the landlord owner of the house at the back of my garden (a rapacious landlord with over 200 similar houses for rent apparently) would love to knock down the one storey extension and replace it with a "mid-rise" block of flats!!!
At some point we need to meet fire with fire, like hacking Russian TV and showing footage on all channels of Putin getting rogered senseless by fantastically well endowed porn stars wearing Stalin facemasks.
Belgian politicians and finance bosses targeted by Russian intelligence over seized assets
Exclusive: Key figures at frozen assets depository among targets of intimidation campaign, say European intelligence agencies
Belgian politicians and senior finance executives have been subject to a campaign of intimidation orchestrated by Russian intelligence aimed at persuading the country to block the use of €185bn assets for Ukraine, according to European intelligence agencies.
Security officials indicated to the Guardian that there had been deliberate targeting of key figures at Euroclear, the securities depository holding the majority of Russia’s frozen assets, and leaders of the country.
EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday are debating whether to approve the lending of urgently needed funds for Ukraine secured on Russian central bank assets, critical to maintain Kyiv’s war effort through 2026 and 2027.
Officials believe the campaign is the responsibility of Russia’s GRU military intelligence, though there is a debate about the degree of threat. “They have been engaged in the tactics of intimidation for sure,” one European official said.
At some point soon Starmer needs to tell the country that we are effectively at war. Get sensible and stop focussing on fripperies. We have become so removed from that mentality - I remember how the phone books as a child had guidance pages of what to do when a nuclear war starts - this isn’t about telling people to hide under a table and you will be fine when the bomb drops. It’s about a national mindset change where people stop thinking about being influencers and start looking outwards at a world where they might have to fight. If you like a ruck on a night out join up. The whole country needs to start thinking about getting their shit together. Start being serious.
But effectively at war with Russia also means effectively at war with Trump. Starmer and Rutte are in a competition over who will stay most faithful to Daddy D.
True, but hopefully reality will prevail. I hate being serious, I’m a very unserious person, but I have an 18 month niece who I love to bits, I don’t have children and won’t and she is as close as it will get but I feel very strongly that I would, despite my decrepitude, fight and suffer to ensure her life is good. I used to think I would fight for the country but she is what I would go for (would probably be done over within a minute by a land mine whilst following a cute dog however).
I would just like the majority of the population to be a bit more thoughtful about the fact that they might be having their kick offs with people who want to kill them rather than some guy who looked at their bird. Would like people to start thinking that their devotion to posting their outfits on socials might have to wait.
We are a very unserious country but need to be serious for a while. Joey Essex isn’t saving us.
All of the correspondents with an emergent and burgeoning interest in Erasmus are directed toward this film which is a fairly realistic and amusing portrayal of the experience.
At some point we need to meet fire with fire, like hacking Russian TV and showing footage on all channels of Putin getting rogered senseless by fantastically well endowed porn stars wearing Stalin facemasks.
Belgian politicians and finance bosses targeted by Russian intelligence over seized assets
Exclusive: Key figures at frozen assets depository among targets of intimidation campaign, say European intelligence agencies
Belgian politicians and senior finance executives have been subject to a campaign of intimidation orchestrated by Russian intelligence aimed at persuading the country to block the use of €185bn assets for Ukraine, according to European intelligence agencies.
Security officials indicated to the Guardian that there had been deliberate targeting of key figures at Euroclear, the securities depository holding the majority of Russia’s frozen assets, and leaders of the country.
EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday are debating whether to approve the lending of urgently needed funds for Ukraine secured on Russian central bank assets, critical to maintain Kyiv’s war effort through 2026 and 2027.
Officials believe the campaign is the responsibility of Russia’s GRU military intelligence, though there is a debate about the degree of threat. “They have been engaged in the tactics of intimidation for sure,” one European official said.
At some point soon Starmer needs to tell the country that we are effectively at war. Get sensible and stop focussing on fripperies. We have become so removed from that mentality - I remember how the phone books as a child had guidance pages of what to do when a nuclear war starts - this isn’t about telling people to hide under a table and you will be fine when the bomb drops. It’s about a national mindset change where people stop thinking about being influencers and start looking outwards at a world where they might have to fight. If you like a ruck on a night out join up. The whole country needs to start thinking about getting their shit together. Start being serious.
Thanks v much. It’s not serious joining Azov. I have posted before that I tried to join our TA equivalent - I have absolutely no problem with doing that, being trained and useful rather than arriving in Ukraine, joining Azov and just being thrown in pointless with a bunch of Walt’s. I know you are completely cynical and anti- everything but maybe you can still see an element of balance.
Trump on Venezuela: "Getting land, oil rights, whatever we had -- they took it away because we had a president that maybe wasn't watching. But they're not gonna do that. We want it back. They took our oil rights. We had a lot of oil there. They threw our companies out. And we want it back."
Trump on Venezuela: "Getting land, oil rights, whatever we had -- they took it away because we had a president that maybe wasn't watching. But they're not gonna do that. We want it back. They took our oil rights. We had a lot of oil there. They threw our companies out. And we want it back."
Wasn't Trump president for much of this time he's wittering on about?
At some point we need to meet fire with fire, like hacking Russian TV and showing footage on all channels of Putin getting rogered senseless by fantastically well endowed porn stars wearing Stalin facemasks.
Belgian politicians and finance bosses targeted by Russian intelligence over seized assets
Exclusive: Key figures at frozen assets depository among targets of intimidation campaign, say European intelligence agencies
Belgian politicians and senior finance executives have been subject to a campaign of intimidation orchestrated by Russian intelligence aimed at persuading the country to block the use of €185bn assets for Ukraine, according to European intelligence agencies.
Security officials indicated to the Guardian that there had been deliberate targeting of key figures at Euroclear, the securities depository holding the majority of Russia’s frozen assets, and leaders of the country.
EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Thursday are debating whether to approve the lending of urgently needed funds for Ukraine secured on Russian central bank assets, critical to maintain Kyiv’s war effort through 2026 and 2027.
Officials believe the campaign is the responsibility of Russia’s GRU military intelligence, though there is a debate about the degree of threat. “They have been engaged in the tactics of intimidation for sure,” one European official said.
At some point soon Starmer needs to tell the country that we are effectively at war. Get sensible and stop focussing on fripperies. We have become so removed from that mentality - I remember how the phone books as a child had guidance pages of what to do when a nuclear war starts - this isn’t about telling people to hide under a table and you will be fine when the bomb drops. It’s about a national mindset change where people stop thinking about being influencers and start looking outwards at a world where they might have to fight. If you like a ruck on a night out join up. The whole country needs to start thinking about getting their shit together. Start being serious.
Thanks v much. It’s not serious joining Azov. I have posted before that I tried to join our TA equivalent - I have absolutely no problem with doing that, being trained and useful rather than arriving in Ukraine, joining Azov and just being thrown in pointless with a bunch of Walt’s. I know you are completely cynical and anti- everything but maybe you can still see an element of balance.
He's not anti-everything! He's pro-Putin and pro-Trump!
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1/4 of the people at 6x the cost is a 24-fold increase in cost per person.
There are not 24 academic months per semester or year.
What is it delivering that Turing didnt for £100 million?
I've struggled to find much information on the relative merits of Erasmus and Turing, save that the Turing scheme seems to have suffered somewhat from poor administration.
1. Let Ukraine collapse
2. Pony up billions on their own account
3. Raise money on Russian assets with a risk they may become liable later
(3) looks a slam dunk to me. The assets can only be unfrozen if an EU court requires it or where almost all members vote to release the assets and where those members are also voting to take on massive new liabilities they wouldn't otherwise have.
(Edit - and of course, if Johnson hadn't pulled out to try and demonstrate his independence, we wouldn't be paying more than about £240 million and would still be getting something like £600 million back. Demonstrating yet again that he is a pig-ignorant fool.)
Which is massively cheap.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15391323/Britain-rejoin-EU-Erasmus-student-exchange-scheme-Labour-Brexit.html
(I suspect their numbers are pulled out of someone's anus.)
The Belgians and others have picked up on this.
Nothing is risk free. Someone has to promise to be bag holder.
I do not see why we need to pay 24x more per person in order to allow that.
I am not happy for money to be wasted.
6x the cost for 1/4 of the value does not compute.
Petit à petit, l'oiseau fait son nid.
I learned that on Erasmus.
IIRC, he wrote the whole thing in the back of a cart as it transported him from Rome to Amsterdam.
Edit to add: my recollection is wrong. He did write it in a week, but it was while staying with Thomas More. Which suggests Thomas More was a terrible host.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Auberge_espagnole
ENG subtitles available for leavers that never did Erasmus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_o_O7v1ews
As for the right wing papers trashing Erasmus . Talk about mean spirited and unhinged nonsense . The EU hate is just so fxcking pathetic now .
So here is a trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCs6AzLeNQI
I suspect half of the critics are so old they hate the young. As if the youngsters wouldn't be shagging their heads off at Teesside U or Fenland Poly.
Financial Strain: The Turing Scheme's later funding confirmation dates and lack of guaranteed tuition fee waivers or universal travel grants created significant financial uncertainty, disproportionately affecting students from less affluent backgrounds who could not afford upfront costs.
Reduced Opportunities: The lack of inward mobility from EU students meant UK universities lost a significant source of funding and cultural diversity, which also impacted the wider UK economy.
Bureaucracy: The application process for the Turing Scheme was often described as more difficult and complex for universities to manage compared to the established Erasmus system.
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/25701628.police-stop-driver-balancing-sofa-car-hand/
Sounds like Trump is confirming Dan Bongino is leaving the FBI as deputy director, telling reporters he did a great job and “wants to go back to his show.”
As an example, other posters commented how Buttigieg was ruled out because he didn't clearly say Biden was getting a bit past it, and would thus lose to Vance because of the questions he (Buttigieg) would face about it. While ignoring the significant drawback that Vance is covering up that Trump manifestly has advanced and rapidly progressing dementia.
She obtained her degree this year and of course speaks fluent Italian alongside other languages
I have no problem with Erasmus but it didn't prevent my granddaughter studying in Turin for the year
I would also suggest rejoining Eramus is simply not the prelude to rejoin the EU as remainers seem to hope
They might disagree with the policy, but in no universe can it be described as a "betrayal of Brexit".
This is the most brutal, I think:
https://x.com/inversedad/status/2001394531292385552
(Unless universities are lying to us about that, of course.)
Either bailing them or fixing trial dates seems reasonable. I think though that the government is afraid of the PA activists. A jury is likely to acquit them.
The Wheels on the Bus...are falling off...
The new planning laws/guidance being proposed:
YIMBY Alliance
@yimbyalliance
2. Permission for additional buildings on existing plots, so long as they take no more than twice the footprint of the original house. This will allow densification with mid-rise blocks of flats in back gardens . Here’s an example before and after from the Croydon design guide:
https://x.com/yimbyalliance/status/2000942947290800136
https://x.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/2001390700642927001?s=20
How bad must the evidence be if he's willing to start a war to distract from it? Him being the "President of Peace" and all.
At least with the IRA we were involved. It’s not U.K. troops blowing up schools/Hamas bases (delete as appropriate) in Gaza. I get people have strong passions, but that doesn’t mean governments should just change policy.
Tell the country that we’re at war with Russia over the Ukraine and watch support for the Ukraine collapse. Give or buy them kit and quietly help the Poles get the bomb.
This kind of statement would once be made inside the most rarified councils of state, some ultralimited Special Group, wherein POTUS & his most trusted advisors would commit to never putting anything in writing yet some handwritten archival scrap excavated 50 years later would reveal the truth.
@atrupar.com
Trump on Venezuela: "Getting land, oil rights, whatever we had -- they took it away because we had a president that maybe wasn't watching. But they're not gonna do that. We want it back. They took our oil rights. We had a lot of oil there. They threw our companies out. And we want it back."
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ma7kr5oa5d2c
https://bsky.app/profile/joniaskola.bsky.social/post/3ma24zo6xh22q
https://www.azov.international/join
I would just like the majority of the population to be a bit more thoughtful about the fact that they might be having their kick offs with people who want to kill them rather than some guy who looked at their bird. Would like people to start thinking that their devotion to posting their outfits on socials might have to wait.
We are a very unserious country but need to be serious for a while. Joey Essex isn’t saving us.
Trump on Venezuela: "Getting land, oil rights, whatever we had -- they took it away because we had a president that maybe wasn't watching. But they're not gonna do that. We want it back. They took our oil rights. We had a lot of oil there. They threw our companies out. And we want it back."