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  • eekeek Posts: 31,304
    1st
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Very true Marf, and a nice homage.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    I presume Blair must still have some people who will listen to him with respect, given how successful he was in the past, but it doesn't feel much like it thesedays.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @kle4
    He seemed to bring a hope of change, but they just kept repeating Thatcher's mistakes.
    Depressingly, in essence so do G.O. and Dave.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited February 2015
    FPT
    Flightpath said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flightpath said:

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    You do realise that you do more harm to the Tory cause every time you post.

    Mr Royale would never say or think the views you've just ascribed to him.
    I grow tired of insults to pensioners. Crass rude insults at that...
    But I suppose if you really want me to harm the tory cause with the usual suspects around here then maybe I should repeat my view that Osborne is doing a good job of managing the economy and Cameron is not a bad Prime Minister.
    Glad to see you will never insult a topic or group you dislike or disagree with, and I am sure never have done so in order to be so offended someone might attack pensioners* - a high standard to hold yourself to there.

    I think Osborne has been middling - I am most annoyed at the failure on deficit reduction, but it is not as though anyone else wanted to reduce it by any more than has been achieved, so I'm not furious about it - and I would prefer Cameron to continue on as our PM.

    *which to prevent you from getting upset I will point out I personally have not done.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,935
    Great cartoon, Marf!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    I presume Blair must still have some people who will listen to him with respect, given how successful he was in the past, but it doesn't feel much like it thesedays.

    Blair was very impressive in his time. I saw him speak in 1995 and really charm a slightly sceptical midlands audience. He was also right in realising how crucial Mandelson was, in both 1997 and in baling out Gordon in 2010. I think Mandelson is the reason that we have a coalition rather than a Tory majority.

    Blair is now a liability (apart from Attlee it is reamarkeable how disliked within the party the electorally successful PMs are) but getting Mandelson on board for Ed could make all the difference. The guy is a serpent, but a very successful serpent.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,983
    I would rather catch EBOLA than have an offer of help from Toxic Tony
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,584
    kle4 said:

    FPT

    Flightpath said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Flightpath said:

    SandraM said:

    jayfdee said:

    @Casino_Royale

    OAPs are not only not on youtube, twitter or facebook, they scarcely know what it is.

    A bit patronising,I am a few months away from my state pension and spend far too much time on FB and Youtube,however I give twitter a miss.

    I am a recent pensioner and I find Casino Royale's comments offensive. I have Facebook and twitter accounts and so do many of my age group. The term OAP now can encompass a generation; my mother is a silver surfer but can't be bothered with Facebook and twitter, although she sometimes watches things on YouTube.


    Don't you realise that people like Casino think that ratbag moneybags pensioners like you should be funding the deficit?
    Every week is be nasty to pensioners week on PB.
    You do realise that you do more harm to the Tory cause every time you post.

    Mr Royale would never say or think the views you've just ascribed to him.
    I grow tired of insults to pensioners. Crass rude insults at that...
    But I suppose if you really want me to harm the tory cause with the usual suspects around here then maybe I should repeat my view that Osborne is doing a good job of managing the economy and Cameron is not a bad Prime Minister.
    Glad to see you will never insult a topic or group you dislike or disagree with, and I am sure never have done so in order to be so offended someone might attack pensioners* - a high standard to hold yourself to there.

    I think Osborne has been middling - I am most annoyed at the failure on deficit reduction, but it is not as though anyone else wanted to reduce it by any more than has been achieved, so I'm not furious about it - and I would prefer Cameron to continue on as our PM.

    *which to prevent you from getting upset I will point out I personally have not done.
    Flightpath is the ultimate political hypocrite. Always attacking others for what he claims are insults whilst doing exactly the same thing to his political enemies - which is basically anyone who is not a Cameroon Tory. His false horror at the supposed insults dished out to Pensioners is just another example of this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited February 2015
    foxinsoxuk said:

    kle4 said:

    I presume Blair must still have some people who will listen to him with respect, given how successful he was in the past, but it doesn't feel much like it thesedays.

    Blair was very impressive in his time.
    Granted I only grew to political awareness in the very late 90s/early 2000s, but Blair always put me off by seeming to be a thoroughly oily and smarmy individual. Frankly at the time I preferred Brown, inasmuch as I was aware of him at any rate. But I cannot but presume you are correct about him, even considering what I'm told was the paucity of effective opposition at the time.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    edited February 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @kle4
    He seemed to bring a hope of change, but they just kept repeating Thatcher's mistakes.
    Depressingly, in essence so do G.O. and Dave.

    And you're different ?

    Youre still haunted by the acts of a dead woman thirty years ago.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,935
    edited February 2015
    "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for that pesky Chilcot Report!"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    bigjohnowls said:

    I would rather catch EBOLA than have an offer of help from Toxic Tony

    Toxic Tony?

    Blair's net rating with Ipsos-Mori when he stood down as PM was minus 27

    Ed's rating last month was minus 35.

    Can you explain how Ed Miliband managed to be even more unpopular than Blair, without lying about invading a foreign country and killing 100,000 natives?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Alanbrooke
    Probably more scarred I would say. ;-)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    I saw Blair speak in New York, sitting at a table full of Americans. They loved him, and genuinely couldn't understand why he was no longer prime minister. While it sounds ridiculous, they regarded him in the same vein of Thatcher, Reagan, or Roosevelt.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    I would rather catch EBOLA than have an offer of help from Toxic Tony

    Toxic Tony?

    Blair's net rating with Ipsos-Mori when he stood down as PM was minus 27

    Ed's rating last month was minus 35.

    Can you explain how Ed Miliband managed to be even more unpopular than Blair, without lying about invading a foreign country and killing 100,000 natives?
    It seems the labour voters this time are voting the policies than voting the man,dangerous times for the tories.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    kle4 said:

    I presume Blair must still have some people who will listen to him with respect, given how successful he was in the past, but it doesn't feel much like it thesedays.

    For me, I don't think it's even the case that Blair is reviled by the public, atleast outside of the hard left. People just see him as completely irrelevant these days, really.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    foxinsoxuk said:

    kle4 said:

    I presume Blair must still have some people who will listen to him with respect, given how successful he was in the past, but it doesn't feel much like it thesedays.

    Blair was very impressive in his time. I saw him speak in 1995 and really charm a slightly sceptical midlands audience. He was also right in realising how crucial Mandelson was, in both 1997 and in baling out Gordon in 2010. I think Mandelson is the reason that we have a coalition rather than a Tory majority.

    Blair is now a liability (apart from Attlee it is reamarkeable how disliked within the party the electorally successful PMs are) but getting Mandelson on board for Ed could make all the difference. The guy is a serpent, but a very successful serpent.
    The tricks work as long as the others don't know it's a trick.
    Everyone knows that Blair and Mandelson are tricksters so the tricks don't work anymore.
    Blair was a very good liar (which made him very successful in politics initially), and Mandelson was very good at controlling the flow and direction of said lies to the old media.

    However times have changed, Blair is in the political gutter for a decade now after the public had had enough of his lies and Newspapers&TV are less dominant in the media, also many of Mandelson's friends have retired so are of no use.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Danny565 said:

    kle4 said:

    I presume Blair must still have some people who will listen to him with respect, given how successful he was in the past, but it doesn't feel much like it thesedays.

    For me, I don't think it's even the case that Blair is reviled by the public, atleast outside of the hard left.
    Maybe. As we see with Thatcher, they can keep that up for a long long time, too. If someone tries to get my vote by trying to scare me or please me by going on about her, I may scream.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,387
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    I would rather catch EBOLA than have an offer of help from Toxic Tony

    Toxic Tony?

    Blair's net rating with Ipsos-Mori when he stood down as PM was minus 27

    Ed's rating last month was minus 35.

    Can you explain how Ed Miliband managed to be even more unpopular than Blair, without lying about invading a foreign country and killing 100,000 natives?
    Blair's rating with Ipsos Mori would be far worse than even Miliband's is now if they asked the question.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    I saw Blair speak in New York, sitting at a table full of Americans. They loved him, and genuinely couldn't understand why he was no longer prime minister. While it sounds ridiculous, they regarded him in the same vein of Thatcher, Reagan, or Roosevelt.

    I was staying in a Backpackers hostel in Borneo in 1990 with a group of mostly British and European travellers. The Chinese landlady came in with a shocked expression and announced that Mrs Thatcher had resigned. The place errupted into spontaneous cheers.

    Politicians are often popular overseas long after they have worn out their welcome domestically.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Can't see images because of bandwidth issues.

    I'm sure the cartoon is very funny. I was disappointed not to see Marf's "take" on Let's All Laugh At Lord Ashcroft day, though - surely the most obvious target ever during her residency here?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    I would rather catch EBOLA than have an offer of help from Toxic Tony

    Toxic Tony?

    Blair's net rating with Ipsos-Mori when he stood down as PM was minus 27

    Ed's rating last month was minus 35.

    Can you explain how Ed Miliband managed to be even more unpopular than Blair, without lying about invading a foreign country and killing 100,000 natives?
    Blair's rating with Ipsos Mori would be far worse than even Miliband's is now if they asked the question.
    Maybe not.

    In the last few years, there's been polling showing Blair being the most likeable PM of recent times, and the second best PM after Thatcher
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Danny565 said:

    kle4 said:

    I presume Blair must still have some people who will listen to him with respect, given how successful he was in the past, but it doesn't feel much like it thesedays.

    For me, I don't think it's even the case that Blair is reviled by the public, atleast outside of the hard left. People just see him as completely irrelevant these days, really.
    The Tories hate him because of the social policies he enacted (and the large deficit).
    The Labourites hate him because he steamrolled the party.
    The LD's hate him because of his foreign policy.

    The only people who are left as his fans are John Rentoul, Dan Hodges and George W. Bush.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Speedy
    I dislike him for being a lying duplicitous bastard, and never confronting the irrationality of neo capitalism. Same for Mrs. T.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    I would rather catch EBOLA than have an offer of help from Toxic Tony

    Toxic Tony?

    Blair's net rating with Ipsos-Mori when he stood down as PM was minus 27

    Ed's rating last month was minus 35.

    Can you explain how Ed Miliband managed to be even more unpopular than Blair, without lying about invading a foreign country and killing 100,000 natives?
    Blair's rating with Ipsos Mori would be far worse than even Miliband's is now if they asked the question.
    Maybe not.

    In the last few years, there's been polling showing Blair being the most likeable PM of recent times, and the second best PM after Thatcher
    Major towers over Blair.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,935
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    From 2011 - Ipsos Mori finds Margaret Thatcher is seen as the most capable leader of the last 30 years though Tony Blair is more likeable

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/2819/Most-capablemost-likeable-Prime-Minister.aspx
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    edited February 2015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,935
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though
    Should be fun :)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Why? Is there an election coming up?

    Neglected of Kensington
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    From 2011 - Ipsos Mori finds Margaret Thatcher is seen as the most capable leader of the last 30 years though Tony Blair is more likeable

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/2819/Most-capablemost-likeable-Prime-Minister.aspx

    Yeah, I think people do have memories of the country being in a reasonably OK state when he was leader, foreign policy aside. Very few people are enthusiastic about Blair in the way that many people still are about Thatcher, but I really don't think he has all that many "haters" even though those haters he does have are very vocal.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    I know, I know.

    I'm proud of growing up and living in a seat that has never elected a Labour MP
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    Marginals are very different. We're on our third round of canvassing every street since the last election (though obviously not everyone is in each time, and some are mysteriously never in). It does give a good feel for movements in sentiment - you can feel tides moving in and out. In my experience, around 75% nearly always say the same thing (give or take priods of don't knowing) over a 20-year period, but 25% are genuinely more fluid, and occasionally you get an abrupt switch when someone who was always X suddenly hates X because of one issue, often something quite apparently inconsequential like a supermarket getting planning permission or a councillor not answering a letter.

  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 508
    He's popular still in Ireland, cos of the Good Friday Agreement.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    It's more a reflection that I'm torn on what to do in this election.

    Doing that is probably the only thing that will give me pleasure.

    I'm tempted to register back in the flat in Manchester Central, where my vote won't really count.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 …

  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    It's more a reflection that I'm torn on what to do in this election.

    Doing that is probably the only thing that will give me pleasure.

    I'm tempted to register back in the flat in Manchester Central, where my vote won't really count.
    While not a ukip supporter and a conservative voter in 2010 I could not possibly vote for someone who thought that encryption policy was good. It merely showed the man knows bugger all and it would wreak havoc. It is worse than milibrands energy price cap for its sheer idiocy. The man is an idiot who employs advisors who's stupidity is truly legendary


  • isamisam Posts: 42,632
    edited February 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    I know, I know.

    I'm proud of growing up and living in a seat that has never elected a Labour MP
    You voted to keep a labour police commissioner in rotherham didn't you?

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    08/02/2015 20:52
    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    Ah thank you for the education
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    So what?
    It seems that we are faced with the grim horror of EICIPM.
    Therefore the destruction of the LDs becomes the only small consolation left available on election night. So hurrah for that, at least.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html

    This sort of thing is putting peoples backs up. If the Muslim organisers thought they would be gaining friends and respect, think again. The comments below are livid.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    isam said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    I know, I know.

    I'm proud of growing up and living in a seat that has never elected a Labour MP
    You voted to keep a labour police commissioner in rotherham didn't you?

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    08/02/2015 20:52
    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834
    No I did not.

    Why are you reposting month old stories like they are new and have been denied I think.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    I wonder who else has the files?

    "HSBC bank 'helped clients dodge millions in tax"
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31248913
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited February 2015
    GeoffM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    So what?
    It seems that we are faced with the grim horror of EICIPM.
    Therefore the destruction of the LDs becomes the only small consolation left available on election night. So hurrah for that, at least.
    Surely the fewer LDs are dispatched in the event of EICIPM the better, as it leaves more potential for them to take advantage of a Labour government faster, and thus reduce the odds of it happening again? MOre of them around to undermine him for starters.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    foxinsoxuk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I saw Blair speak in New York, sitting at a table full of Americans. They loved him, and genuinely couldn't understand why he was no longer prime minister. While it sounds ridiculous, they regarded him in the same vein of Thatcher, Reagan, or Roosevelt.

    I was staying in a Backpackers hostel in Borneo in 1990 with a group of mostly British and European travellers. The Chinese landlady came in with a shocked expression and announced that Mrs Thatcher had resigned. The place errupted into spontaneous cheers.

    Politicians are often popular overseas long after they have worn out their welcome domestically.
    Backpackers? - stoned out of their minds?

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    GeoffM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    So what?
    It seems that we are faced with the grim horror of EICIPM.
    Therefore the destruction of the LDs becomes the only small consolation left available on election night. So hurrah for that, at least.
    The LibDems will only be destroyed if the Conservatives occupy the space formerly occupied by them. Otherwise, they shall re-appear, perhaps with a different name, within months of their demise.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Tykejohnno said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 …

    I posted exactly this hours ago. I guess it needs Andrew Neil name to make PBers take notice.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    MikeK said:

    Tykejohnno said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 …

    I posted exactly this hours ago. I guess it needs Andrew Neil name to make PBers take notice.
    The delightful MacShane, too busy producing bogus invoices to notice 1,400 children being raped on his patch.

    Vote Labour, get scum like MacShane
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    MikeK said:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html

    This sort of thing is putting peoples backs up. If the Muslim organisers thought they would be gaining friends and respect, think again. The comments below are livid.

    Surely the real story is:

    "Millions of British Muslims did not go to protest about Charlie Hebdo, and the numbers claimed by organisers for those who would attend were out by a factor of 15."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited February 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    GeoffM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    So what?
    It seems that we are faced with the grim horror of EICIPM.
    Therefore the destruction of the LDs becomes the only small consolation left available on election night. So hurrah for that, at least.
    The LibDems will only be destroyed if the Conservatives occupy the space formerly occupied by them. Otherwise, they shall re-appear, perhaps with a different name, within months of their demise.
    But the space they occupy (economically conservative, but socially liberal and pro-Europe at the same time) has very little support outside of a few metrosexual City bankers.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    It's more a reflection that I'm torn on what to do in this election.

    Doing that is probably the only thing that will give me pleasure.

    I'm tempted to register back in the flat in Manchester Central, where my vote won't really count.
    While not a ukip supporter and a conservative voter in 2010 I could not possibly vote for someone who thought that encryption policy was good. It merely showed the man knows bugger all and it would wreak havoc. It is worse than milibrands energy price cap for its sheer idiocy. The man is an idiot who employs advisors who's stupidity is truly legendary


    I know a few people who work for a bank's IT department.

    You should hear what they say about Ed Miliband's policy to allow people to transfer their bank sort code/account number between banks.

    They are the view, we're governed by IT illiterates.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,086
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    Vote Labour in Ilford North!

    It's the only worthwhile choice...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,935
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And as Kick-Ass said, "with no power, comes no responsibility" :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    This is why I like Boris, and why he shouldn't written off in the next Tory leadership election.

    He's not ashamed to be a capitalist/on the side of Free enterprise, which ticks the box for a lot of Tory activists.

    Ed Miliband will never understand that capitalism can cure cancer

    Boris Johnson says the risk-taking, profit-seeking investors that Labour scorns are vital to turning scientific breakthroughs into technology that benefits us all

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11398870/Ed-Miliband-will-never-understand-that-capitalism-can-cure-cancer.html
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,935
    murali_s said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    Vote Labour in Ilford North!

    It's the only worthwhile choice...
    You're channelling Pulpstar :)
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    They are vital for creating economic crashes as well, but that entails very little risk.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    It's more a reflection that I'm torn on what to do in this election.

    Doing that is probably the only thing that will give me pleasure.

    I'm tempted to register back in the flat in Manchester Central, where my vote won't really count.
    While not a ukip supporter and a conservative voter in 2010 I could not possibly vote for someone who thought that encryption policy was good. It merely showed the man knows bugger all and it would wreak havoc. It is worse than milibrands energy price cap for its sheer idiocy. The man is an idiot who employs advisors who's stupidity is truly legendary


    I know a few people who work for a bank's IT department.

    You should hear what they say about Ed Miliband's policy to allow people to transfer their bank sort code/account number between banks.

    They are the view, we're governed by IT illiterates.
    Oh, those assholes. The same ones who told us about portable telephone numbers and the Millennium Bomb.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    edited February 2015
    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Can you techies come up with a universal symbol for sarcasm on the internet?

    I mean if we can send humans to the moon...
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 508
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeK said:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html

    This sort of thing is putting peoples backs up. If the Muslim organisers thought they would be gaining friends and respect, think again. The comments below are livid.

    Surely the real story is:

    "Millions of British Muslims did not go to protest about Charlie Hebdo, and the numbers claimed by organisers for those who would attend were out by a factor of 15."
    It was a peaceful protest apparently, so what's the problem? Though it does mention some bullsh1t excuse that "protesters were separated by gender during the protest 'out of respect for the women'".

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Giant Scandal about to blow:
    http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/banking-giant-hsbc-sheltered-murky-cash-linked-dictators-and-arms-dealers

    "The documents obtained by ICIJ are based on data originally smuggled away by a former HSBC employee-turned-whistleblower, Hervé Falciani, and handed to French authorities in 2008. Le Monde obtained material from the French tax authority investigation into the files and then shared the French tax authority’s material with ICIJ with the agreement that ICIJ would pull together a team of journalists from multiple countries that could sift through the data from all angles.

    ICIJ enlisted more than 140 journalists from 45 countries, including reporters from Le Monde, the BBC, The Guardian, 60 Minutes, Süddeutsche Zeitung and more than 45 other media organizations."

    "The reporters found the names of current and former politicians from BRITAIN, Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Kenya, Romania, India, Liechtenstein, Mexico, Tunisia, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Paraguay, Djibouti, Senegal, the Philippines and Algeria, among others."
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Can you techies come up with a universal symbol for sarcasm on the internet?

    I mean if we can send humans to the moon...
    "you techies"

    Policemen starting to look younger TSE?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    The_Woodpecker said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeK said:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html

    This sort of thing is putting peoples backs up. If the Muslim organisers thought they would be gaining friends and respect, think again. The comments below are livid.

    Surely the real story is:

    "Millions of British Muslims did not go to protest about Charlie Hebdo, and the numbers claimed by organisers for those who would attend were out by a factor of 15."
    It was a peaceful protest apparently, so what's the problem? Though it does mention some bullsh1t excuse that "protesters were separated by gender during the protest 'out of respect for the women'".

    You see the pictures in the paper. Count the protesters. That was exactly how many people who went. There are no protesters out of shot.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    MikeK said:

    Tykejohnno said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 …

    I posted exactly this hours ago. I guess it needs Andrew Neil name to make PBers take notice.
    No. But Neil has more impact than you outside of PB and not everyone reads all the posts and will have missed yours.

    The point to be made is how the EC had a small role in the scandal. One man's love of the EC distracted him from his main job. It led him to raise money illegally to fund his EC work and he overlooked a letter from the people he should have cared about.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Can you techies come up with a universal symbol for sarcasm on the internet?

    I mean if we can send humans to the moon...
    "you techies"

    Policemen starting to look younger TSE?
    I thought you worked in the IT profession, my apologies if you don't.

    That said I am going through an age related crisis.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Danny565 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    GeoffM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    So what?
    It seems that we are faced with the grim horror of EICIPM.
    Therefore the destruction of the LDs becomes the only small consolation left available on election night. So hurrah for that, at least.
    The LibDems will only be destroyed if the Conservatives occupy the space formerly occupied by them. Otherwise, they shall re-appear, perhaps with a different name, within months of their demise.
    But the space they occupy (economically conservative, but socially liberal and pro-Europe at the same time) has very little support outside of a few metrosexual City bankers.
    They are in the main not economically conservative, what is traditionally called classic liberals (such as Thatcher). The clique running the LDs are, but they are a minority. Most of the LD party are state interventionist bordering on socialism, aka "social democrats" closer to New Labour (economically). The question is whether New Lab joins the LDs or the 2/3 social LDs join Labour?
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Worked up does not even begin to cover my contempt for the encryption policy he announced. The man is a moron and advised by morons. Why would I vote for such a contemptible little shit


  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Can you techies come up with a universal symbol for sarcasm on the internet?

    I mean if we can send humans to the moon...
    "you techies"

    Policemen starting to look younger TSE?
    I thought you worked in the IT profession, my apologies if you don't.

    That said I am going through an age related crisis.
    I don't, but I have no problem being described as a techie!

    Just your exclusionary usage of "you" as if you could do it yourself!
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    nigel4england said:

    MikeK said:

    Tykejohnno said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 …

    I posted exactly this hours ago. I guess it needs Andrew Neil name to make PBers take notice.
    The delightful MacShane, too busy producing bogus invoices to notice 1,400 children being raped on his patch.
    Vote Labour, get scum like MacShane
    Yes a man distracted by his love for the EC.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,114
    They have the right to peaceful protest, as distasteful as I find it.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeK said:


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html

    This sort of thing is putting peoples backs up. If the Muslim organisers thought they would be gaining friends and respect, think again. The comments below are livid.

    Surely the real story is:

    "Millions of British Muslims did not go to protest about Charlie Hebdo, and the numbers claimed by organisers for those who would attend were out by a factor of 15."
    You could give audreyanne a run for her money in the art of being, simultaneously, patronising and wrong. The "real story" is something that happened, not one of the infinite number of vaguely similar things that didn't happen. Would you have regaled us with the news that the "real story" was that millions of men have not walked on the moon today? Was the "real story" that over 99% of the buildings in New York's financial centre have not been struck by an airliner today?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Worked up does not even begin to cover my contempt for the encryption policy he announced. The man is a moron and advised by morons. Why would I vote for such a contemptible little shit


    Say what you really mean, don't keep it bottled in.
  • ZenPaganZenPagan Posts: 689
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Worked up does not even begin to cover my contempt for the encryption policy he announced. The man is a moron and advised by morons. Why would I vote for such a contemptible little shit


    Say what you really mean, don't keep it bottled in.
    heh I rarely do
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Speedy
    Top story on the Beeb and it seems to be being serialized in the Guardian to co-inside with the Panorama programme.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    nigel4england said:

    MikeK said:

    Tykejohnno said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 …

    I posted exactly this hours ago. I guess it needs Andrew Neil name to make PBers take notice.
    The delightful MacShane, too busy producing bogus invoices to notice 1,400 children being raped on his patch.
    Vote Labour, get scum like MacShane
    Yes a man distracted by his love for the EC.
    Ummm: if McShane had been - say - a big tennis fan, would you be posting about how distracted he was by his love of tennis?

    Rotherham was a failure of political correctness, a failure of the Labour council, a failure of good people to speak up, a failure of elected representatives to listen.

    This is one of the few things that was truly not a failure of the EU/EC.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    GeoffM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    I thought you were going to vote Tory if I vote Tory in Ilford North!
    I will.

    I could topple Nick Clegg though.

    As Uncle Ben said, "with great power, comes great responsibility"
    And help Labour win the seat

    So what?
    It seems that we are faced with the grim horror of EICIPM.
    Therefore the destruction of the LDs becomes the only small consolation left available on election night. So hurrah for that, at least.
    All 4 main UK parties are too much "broad churches" overlapping each other with "power" the only thing keeping them together.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Can you techies come up with a universal symbol for sarcasm on the internet?

    I mean if we can send humans to the moon...
    "you techies"

    Policemen starting to look younger TSE?
    I thought you worked in the IT profession, my apologies if you don't.

    That said I am going through an age related crisis.

    "That said I am going through an age related crisis."

    Puberty? :wink:

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Smarmeron said:

    @Speedy
    Top story on the Beeb and it seems to be being serialized in the Guardian to co-inside with the Panorama programme.

    Ed Miliband's attack on offshore tax havens wasn't an accident, someone from the Guardian must have informed him what was coming.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    This penalty shoot out between Ghana and Côte d'Ivoire is awful.

    Is like if England had to take on England in a penalty shoot out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,792
    MarkHopkins said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    Grandiose said:

    ZenPagan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I live in a safe Con seat... Nobody cares about me! :(

    I feel your pain. I only got 1 leaflet from Con last time, 2 from the LDs, 1 from UKIP, and nothing from Labour. I'm hopeful even though it is not a target seat for them I get some more UKIP activity this time, they were pretty active for the Euro elections and I even missed a canvasser from them a few months back! I was shattered to have missed it, given no-one has ever bothered before.
    After only living in safe seats and a Labour shitehole, I now live in the key marginal of Sheffield Hallam

    AND IT IS BLOODY EXCITING.

    My vote finally counts.
    Speaking as someone who fell into the trap last time, whatever you do don't vote tactically for the LibDems!
    I think I'm going to spoil my ballot and write" "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists, mostly" next to UKIP
    And what will you write against the tory candidate. Racist because he supports an immigration policy that favours white europeans? Fruitcake and loon because he supports Camerons idiotic encryption policy?

    DNFTT
    Maybe I am naive but DFNTT does not translate to me

    "Do not feed the trolls"

    TSE clearly does not plan to actually do that, he's just trying to get a reaction.
    You need a sense of humour.
    Don't worry TSE!

    I get it, but Zen did sound worked up...
    Can you techies come up with a universal symbol for sarcasm on the internet?

    I mean if we can send humans to the moon...
    "you techies"

    Policemen starting to look younger TSE?
    I thought you worked in the IT profession, my apologies if you don't.

    That said I am going through an age related crisis.

    "That said I am going through an age related crisis."

    Puberty? :wink:

    That's a few years off.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The Giant Scandal is here:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31248913
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/08/hsbc-files-expose-swiss-bank-clients-dodge-taxes-hide-millions
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-names-in-hbsc-bank-s-secret-files-1.2096001
    http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-others/hsbc-sheltered-murky-cash-linked-to-dictators-arms-dealers/

    And many many other newspapers and media outlets throughout the world.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    rcs1000 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    nigel4england said:

    MikeK said:

    Tykejohnno said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 …

    I posted exactly this hours ago. I guess it needs Andrew Neil name to make PBers take notice.
    The delightful MacShane, too busy producing bogus invoices to notice 1,400 children being raped on his patch.
    Vote Labour, get scum like MacShane
    Yes a man distracted by his love for the EC.
    Ummm: if McShane had been - say - a big tennis fan, would you be posting about how distracted he was by his love of tennis?
    Rotherham was a failure of political correctness, a failure of the Labour council, a failure of good people to speak up, a failure of elected representatives to listen.
    This is one of the few things that was truly not a failure of the EU/EC.
    1. MacShane required extra money to fund his european wanderings. He got that from the expense frauds that he was convicted of.
    2. MacShane clearly focused his main attention on the EC when in Parliament or away visiting europe. He would gladly write articles against eurosceptics or speak up in any debate on that subject. Or even fly off on european meetings even after he was not the Europe Minister.
    So whilst engaged in all these things he was distracted by the EC and overlooked the cesspit of abuse going on in his constituency.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Speedy said:

    Ed Miliband's attack on offshore tax havens wasn't an accident, someone from the Guardian must have informed him what was coming.

    Did they also prompt him to instigate a diplomatic incident?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,285
    TCPB/Danny565 An economically and socially liberal party is one in which Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson, Alan Milburn, Nick Clegg, Danny Alexander, David Laws, George Osborne, Michael Portillo and Ed Vaizey would all feel at home. However, it would be unlikely to get more than 10-15% of the vote, which is why it will never happen unless we get PR!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Scott_P said:

    Speedy said:

    Ed Miliband's attack on offshore tax havens wasn't an accident, someone from the Guardian must have informed him what was coming.

    Did they also prompt him to instigate a diplomatic incident?
    If Bermuda was given the right of representation to parliament then it would have been a different matter.
    It's fair game during a general election since they don't have a seat.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,437
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    rcs1000 said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    nigel4england said:

    MikeK said:

    Tykejohnno said:


    Andrew Neil ✔ @afneil

    Rotherham -- it gets worse
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/exclusive-mp-and-home-office-failed-to-act-on-rotherham-grooming-11-years-ago-1-6913834 …

    I posted exactly this hours ago. I guess it needs Andrew Neil name to make PBers take notice.
    The delightful MacShane, too busy producing bogus invoices to notice 1,400 children being raped on his patch.
    Vote Labour, get scum like MacShane
    Yes a man distracted by his love for the EC.
    Ummm: if McShane had been - say - a big tennis fan, would you be posting about how distracted he was by his love of tennis?
    Rotherham was a failure of political correctness, a failure of the Labour council, a failure of good people to speak up, a failure of elected representatives to listen.
    This is one of the few things that was truly not a failure of the EU/EC.
    1. MacShane required extra money to fund his european wanderings. He got that from the expense frauds that he was convicted of.
    2. MacShane clearly focused his main attention on the EC when in Parliament or away visiting europe. He would gladly write articles against eurosceptics or speak up in any debate on that subject. Or even fly off on european meetings even after he was not the Europe Minister.
    So whilst engaged in all these things he was distracted by the EC and overlooked the cesspit of abuse going on in his constituency.
    I'm sorry, that is a ridiculous stretch.

    If he'd been defence minister, would you have blamed the army?

    In any case, Rotherham was a failure on so many levels. It wasn't just the result (however pathetic be was ) of one mp being distracted.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2015
    HYUFD said:

    TCPB/Danny565 An economically and socially liberal party is one in which Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson, Alan Milburn, Nick Clegg, Danny Alexander, David Laws, George Osborne, Michael Portillo and Ed Vaizey would all feel at home. However, it would be unlikely to get more than 10-15% of the vote, which is why it will never happen unless we get PR!

    May I suggest a name for it?
    "Chernobyl Democrats"
    Or
    "Irwin Allen Alliance"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,935
    Eddie Redmayne :)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,198
    HYUFD said:

    TCPB/Danny565 An economically and socially liberal party is one in which Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson, Alan Milburn, Nick Clegg, Danny Alexander, David Laws, George Osborne, Michael Portillo and Ed Vaizey would all feel at home. However, it would be unlikely to get more than 10-15% of the vote, which is why it will never happen unless we get PR!

    Really? I don't think most of those would be interested in a properly liberal state, ie you can do wtf you like as long as it doesn't harm others.

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