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The end of the Keir show is getting closer – politicalbetting.com

This evening several media outlets have published an exclusive (sic) story about how Andy Burnham is planning on becoming an MP so he can succeed Sir Keir Starmer, The Sunday Times report

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,237
    edited December 13
    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,330
    "Sir Keir Starmer also has the nuclear option of making any by-election candidate selection an all-women shortlist which scupper Burnham’s plans"

    Until the political reinvention to Mandy Burnham?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,237
    No_Offence_Alan said:

    Not first, but time to remind people of the first rule of politics: "Things tend not to happen"

    Also, leadership elections in the Labour Party involves Advanced Bistromathics.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,237
    solarflare said:

    "Sir Keir Starmer also has the nuclear option of making any by-election candidate selection an all-women shortlist which scupper Burnham’s plans"

    Until the political reinvention to Mandy Burnham?

    Burham announces that he identifies as a Mavis from Thomas The Tank Engine.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,913
    solarflare said:

    "Sir Keir Starmer also has the nuclear option of making any by-election candidate selection an all-women shortlist which scupper Burnham’s plans"

    Until the political reinvention to Mandy Burnham?

    Mandy would wear less makeup.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,929
    solarflare said:

    "Sir Keir Starmer also has the nuclear option of making any by-election candidate selection an all-women shortlist which scupper Burnham’s plans"

    Until the political reinvention to Mandy Burnham?

    He’s an old hand at the make-up already so not a huge transition needed.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,397
    solarflare said:

    "Sir Keir Starmer also has the nuclear option of making any by-election candidate selection an all-women shortlist which scupper Burnham’s plans"

    Until the political reinvention to Mandy Burnham?

    Under new rules Trans-women can no longer attend Labours Women conference:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,949
    Would Starmer have scrapped the two child cap without the worry of a leadership challenge? I'm not sure.

    I see Burnham has been calling for the end to housing benefit freeze. I think thats sensible. It's surely a false economy when you consider the costs of homelessness.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,486
    boulay said:

    solarflare said:

    "Sir Keir Starmer also has the nuclear option of making any by-election candidate selection an all-women shortlist which scupper Burnham’s plans"

    Until the political reinvention to Mandy Burnham?

    He’s an old hand at the make-up already so not a huge transition needed.
    This is an odd accusation I've always thought. Burnham's bovine lashes don't look in any way helped along to me. Comes off as a bit jealous.

    Starmer isn't really in contention any more, and even someone with his hide of leather will be slowly realising that. If he tries to stop Burnham it'll be because he wants Streeting as the annointed successor.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,814
    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,223
    edited December 13
    A right wing black woman as PM would be the best possible thing for social cohesion in Britain

    🚨 Latest Opinium @ObserverUK poll 🚨

    Kemi Badenoch’s direction may be helping to repair the Conservative Party's brand:

    📈 Knowing what it stands for: now -4 (up 12 pts)
    📈 Having a clear sense of purpose: -10 (up 13 pts)
    📈 Being united: -16 (up 12 pts)

    https://x.com/opiniumresearch/status/1999954985686048868?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,077
    isam said:

    🚨 Latest Opinium @ObserverUK poll 🚨

    Kemi Badenoch’s direction may be helping to repair the Conservative Party's brand:

    📈 Knowing what it stands for: now -4 (up 12 pts)
    📈 Having a clear sense of purpose: -10 (up 13 pts)
    📈 Being united: -16 (up 12 pts)

    https://x.com/opiniumresearch/status/1999954985686048868?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Kemi needs to keep at it and eventually it will tell in the headline VI. She's actually been doing a good job since the budget and it's clear that she's started to make an impact. Given what she inherited and the pressure from Reform I think she may avoid a wipeout in May.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,913
    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    I would have thought that Burnham would be more likely to seek a constituency in the Greater Manchester area, or maybe Merseyside, rather than Tokyo.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,411
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    I would have thought that Burnham would be more likely to seek a constituency in the Greater Manchester area, or maybe Merseyside, rather than Tokyo.
    Though he is prone to nip on any bandwagon

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,237
    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,237
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    I would have thought that Burnham would be more likely to seek a constituency in the Greater Manchester area, or maybe Merseyside, rather than Tokyo.
    Maybe this is a worrying sign - Burnham wants a much bigger living room?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,457
    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,814
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    I would have thought that Burnham would be more likely to seek a constituency in the Greater Manchester area, or maybe Merseyside, rather than Tokyo.
    Oh, if he runs in Tokyo I'll support him, Mancunians are shockingly underrepresented in the Diet.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,457
    Then they came for the golf courses...

    The Trump administration has issued a notice of default to the group that manages Washington’s three municipal golf courses, effectively positioning the president to operate its public golf properties.
    https://x.com/washingtonpost/status/1999879516907282800
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,348
    I wonder what it is with Sir Keir and UK Labour. There's nothing inevitable about a centre-left PM enduring these rock bottom ratings.

    Just look at Mark Carney and Anthony Albanese by way of contrast. Both with commanding leads.

    There must, surely, be lessons to be learnt.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,330
    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,913
    rkrkrk said:

    Would Starmer have scrapped the two child cap without the worry of a leadership challenge? I'm not sure.

    I see Burnham has been calling for the end to housing benefit freeze. I think thats sensible. It's surely a false economy when you consider the costs of homelessness.

    Calling for an end to housing benefit would make more sense.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,295
    edited December 13
    Why didn't Burnham become an MP in 2024?

    Two things seemed likely at that time - Labour would win a huge election victory, and Starmer was a poor leader, unwilling to sell policy to the country.

    It suggests that Burnham has poor judgement over the likelihood of Starmer being a success, so doesn't speak to him knowing what it takes to do the job well.

    I don't hold a candle for Starmer, and he's doing epically badly, but surely the Tory experience is that things can always get worse. There's no point putting someone else in as least unless there's a clear idea of what they will do differently to make things better (which isn't insane).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,397
    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Quite right too Alderaan had a major problem with global warming.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,740
    Wouldn’t it be funny if Burnham lost any future by-election .

    Personally he grates on me . He has this air of thinking he’s the next coming and got trounced in two previous leadership challenges .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,127
    Burnham of course has to be approved to be a Labour candidate by the NEC in the first place and if Starmer thinks he will be a rival if he is that is not a given
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,127
    nico67 said:

    Wouldn’t it be funny if Burnham lost any future by-election .

    Personally he grates on me . He has this air of thinking he’s the next coming and got trounced in two previous leadership challenges .

    Given an autumn poll had a Burnham led Labour 2% ahead of Reform he would likely win a by election in a Gter Manchester seat easily but as below he has to be approved as a candidate first
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,831
    edited December 13
    Next series of The Traitors — 1st January.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,831
    edited December 13
    isam said:

    A right wing black woman as PM would be the best possible thing for social cohesion in Britain

    🚨 Latest Opinium @ObserverUK poll 🚨

    Kemi Badenoch’s direction may be helping to repair the Conservative Party's brand:

    📈 Knowing what it stands for: now -4 (up 12 pts)
    📈 Having a clear sense of purpose: -10 (up 13 pts)
    📈 Being united: -16 (up 12 pts)

    https://x.com/opiniumresearch/status/1999954985686048868?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I can see a lot of centrists voting for her in order to stop Farage entering No 10.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,295
    Malmesbury said:

    Foxy said:

    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Quite right too Alderaan had a major problem with global warming.
    1) Vader was go to guy for getting construction projects sorted (cutting red tape) - “You may dispense with the pleasantries, Commander. I'm here to put you back on schedule".
    2) Vader’s progressive leadership style - making senior staff fuckups choke on their ambitions, as opposed to victimising rank and file - is to be commended.
    3) Vader fixed unemployment, reoffending rates and just about every other stat on Alderan
    4) Vader was known for getting stuck in on a project himself.

    #VaderForPM
    Yeah, but he was a nepotist who turned against his boss. Bit of a worry for KCIII.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,127
    Andy_JS said:

    isam said:

    A right wing black woman as PM would be the best possible thing for social cohesion in Britain

    🚨 Latest Opinium @ObserverUK poll 🚨

    Kemi Badenoch’s direction may be helping to repair the Conservative Party's brand:

    📈 Knowing what it stands for: now -4 (up 12 pts)
    📈 Having a clear sense of purpose: -10 (up 13 pts)
    📈 Being united: -16 (up 12 pts)

    https://x.com/opiniumresearch/status/1999954985686048868?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I can see a lot of centrists voting for her in order to stop Farage entering No 10.
    For Cleverly maybe, Kemi less so, Jenrick none at all
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 132,127
    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,981
    edited December 13
    How it started:

    Boris > Liz > Rishi

    How it ends

    Kier > Angela > Ed (MIliband)

    ....

    Nigel!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,457
    edited December 13
    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Darth's only here for the LOLs.
    A guy needs a break from galactic domination every so often.

    So long as he doesn't drop by to give Elon a few tips we should be fine.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,679
    GIN1138 said:

    How it started:

    Boris > Liz > Rishi

    How it ends

    kier > Angela > Ed (MIliband)

    ....

    Nigel!

    It's a shame her rise will come too late for a Merkel-Rayner summit of the Angelas.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,659
    isam said:

    A right wing black woman as PM would be the best possible thing for social cohesion in Britain

    🚨 Latest Opinium @ObserverUK poll 🚨

    Kemi Badenoch’s direction may be helping to repair the Conservative Party's brand:

    📈 Knowing what it stands for: now -4 (up 12 pts)
    📈 Having a clear sense of purpose: -10 (up 13 pts)
    📈 Being united: -16 (up 12 pts)

    https://x.com/opiniumresearch/status/1999954985686048868?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Kemi's scores are bloody awful! They might have tried to dress them up but the relevant ones 'fit to govern etc' are in the toilet. I thought briefly she had improved and then saw her interviewed on Ch4 and her faults are endemic. She was agressive and dogmatic and lacked charm to a disturbing degree. The Tory poll ratings with the same pollster are no better than last Septembers
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,237
    LostPassword said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Foxy said:

    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Quite right too Alderaan had a major problem with global warming.
    1) Vader was go to guy for getting construction projects sorted (cutting red tape) - “You may dispense with the pleasantries, Commander. I'm here to put you back on schedule".
    2) Vader’s progressive leadership style - making senior staff fuckups choke on their ambitions, as opposed to victimising rank and file - is to be commended.
    3) Vader fixed unemployment, reoffending rates and just about every other stat on Alderan
    4) Vader was known for getting stuck in on a project himself.

    #VaderForPM
    Yeah, but he was a nepotist who turned against his boss. Bit of a worry for KCIII.
    Well, he’s loyal until you try electrocuting his son. In front of him.

    Talk about a hostile work environment.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,708
    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    May I introduce you to one of my favourite Armchair Theatre episodes?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dqWwddi1Gw

    "Night Conspirators (1962) An elderly man is rescued from Iceland. Why would an elderly man need to escape from Iceland? Unless of course its Adolf Hitler."

    Some very familiar faces in the cast.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,237
    Nigelb said:

    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Darth's only here for the LOLs.
    A guy needs a break from galactic domination every so often.

    So long as he doesn't drop by to give Elon a few tips we should be fine.
    As it happens, Elon is planning ever large satellites, with more and more power.

    Supposedly for AI.

    But they have lasers on them…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,457
    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Darth's only here for the LOLs.
    A guy needs a break from galactic domination every so often.

    So long as he doesn't drop by to give Elon a few tips we should be fine.
    As it happens, Elon is planning ever large satellites, with more and more power.

    Supposedly for AI.

    But they have lasers on them…
    Time to arrest and interrogate Binface, clearly.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,554
    No_Offence_Alan said:

    Not first, but time to remind people of the first rule of politics: "Things tend not to happen"

    A lot of people have predicted Starmer’s, and Reeves’, departures, but they’re both still here.

    Of course, the second rule of politics is: “… until they do.”
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,659
    Can you imagine Bandenoch V Burnham?

    I'd sooner have Corbyn or Truss
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,904
    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,708
    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Darth's only here for the LOLs.
    A guy needs a break from galactic domination every so often.

    So long as he doesn't drop by to give Elon a few tips we should be fine.
    As it happens, Elon is planning ever large satellites, with more and more power.

    Supposedly for AI.

    But they have lasers on them…
    For any radio drama fans, I re-listened to these recently :

    https://archive.org/details/steve-gallagher-0-2-hunters-moon

    (It's archive.org - therefore I'm sure 100% legal). The first "Last Rose of Summer" episodes are very good for it's time 'AI Takeover' fare.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,861
    Roger said:

    Can you imagine Bandenoch V Burnham?

    I'd sooner have Corbyn or Truss

    Now that's a rosy picture of the past if I've ever seen one.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,457
    Given the massive development speed advantages of these vaccines over older conventional vaccine development, it's utterly stupid to be slowing their development.

    https://x.com/jakescottMD/status/1999586439286391171
    New in @NEJM: Pfizer's mRNA flu vaccine beat the standard flu shot in a phase 3 trial. 34.5% better. Statistically superior, not just noninferior.

    The timing is brutal. 🧵...

    ...5/ In August, @HHSGov terminated 22 mRNA vaccine programs under BARDA, including Moderna's $766 million bird flu program.
    The rationale: mRNA vaccines don't stop transmission and don't provide durable protection...
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,815
    LostPassword said:

    Why didn't Burnham become an MP in 2024?

    Two things seemed likely at that time - Labour would win a huge election victory, and Starmer was a poor leader, unwilling to sell policy to the country.

    It suggests that Burnham has poor judgement over the likelihood of Starmer being a success, so doesn't speak to him knowing what it takes to do the job well.

    I don't hold a candle for Starmer, and he's doing epically badly, but surely the Tory experience is that things can always get worse. There's no point putting someone else in as least unless there's a clear idea of what they will do differently to make things better (which isn't insane).

    Good question. Really poor judgement on Burnham's part, since he clearly covets the leadership. And its not the only example of poor judgement that's blighted his chances of the Labour leadership. The other was a decade ago, when in 2015 in the months after Labour's defeat he failed to resign from Harriet Harman's shadow cabinet, which opened the door to Corbyn to stand to his left.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,651
    FWIW: There is a small town in Washington state named "Vader".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vader,_Washington
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,457
    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
    Also still doing thoughts and prayers are the policy makers.

    Terrible news out of Rhode Island this evening. We're all monitoring the situation and the FBI stands ready to do anything to help.

    We're all thinking of and praying for the victims tonight.
    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1999991781191237975
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,001
    Andy_JS said:

    Next series of The Traitors — 1st January.

    I'm a bit suss on you mate.
    Just putting out names...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,310
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Next series of The Traitors — 1st January.

    I'm a bit suss on you mate.
    Just putting out names...
    Good morning, everyone.

    Is The Traitors just Among Us/Lycans in TV format, basically? Or Witch Hunt, if we're going further back?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,295
    Possibly two Russian oil refineries hit overnight.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,295
    LostPassword said:

    Possibly two Russian oil refineries hit overnight.

    Ah no. One refinery and an oil depot.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,132
    AnneJGP said:

    I can sympathise with anyone feeling they could do a better job than SKS, but my feeling is that Mr Burnham's self-confidence is misplaced.

    A very low bar
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,132
    GIN1138 said:



    How it ends

    Kier > Angela > Ed (MIliband)

    ....

    Nigel!

    More likely SKS > Wes > Nigel or whoever is Tory leader in 2029
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,421
    edited December 14
    Meanwhile, Brendon McCullum confirms England will lose the third test:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/cj9yrzzg9vmo

    On topic, flim flam. There's actually more chance of Corbyn returning as Labour leader than Burnham, because Corbyn is an MP (so would only have to rejoin the party) while Burnham isn't.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,759
    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,759
    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,067
    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    I lent my One Nation Tory vote to Labour last time. Labour is still the least worst option among a bad set. Burnham as leader would probably lose that position. SFAICS only Streeting is politically serious for the large homeless centre ground.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,397
    Nigelb said:

    Given the massive development speed advantages of these vaccines over older conventional vaccine development, it's utterly stupid to be slowing their development.

    https://x.com/jakescottMD/status/1999586439286391171
    New in @NEJM: Pfizer's mRNA flu vaccine beat the standard flu shot in a phase 3 trial. 34.5% better. Statistically superior, not just noninferior.

    The timing is brutal. 🧵...

    ...5/ In August, @HHSGov terminated 22 mRNA vaccine programs under BARDA, including Moderna's $766 million bird flu program.
    The rationale: mRNA vaccines don't stop transmission and don't provide durable protection...

    Big study here on mRNA vaccinations for Covid in France::

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305?utm_source=bluesky&utm_campaign=content-shareicons&utm_content=article_engagement&utm_medium=social&utm_term=121325

    25% fewer deaths than the unvaccinnated even when you exclude covid deaths, despite the vaccinnated being older and having more chronic diseases.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,759
    LostPassword said:

    LostPassword said:

    Possibly two Russian oil refineries hit overnight.

    Ah no. One refinery and an oil depot.
    There’s a Christmas song in there somewhere.

    Five Russian planes
    Four air defences
    Three ammo factories
    Two shadow ships
    And an oil refinery.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,397
    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,196
    YouTube channels spreading fake, anti-Labour videos viewed 1.2bn times in 2025
    More than 150 anonymous channels using cheap AI tools to spread false stories about Keir Starmer, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,461
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    YouTube channels spreading fake, anti-Labour videos viewed 1.2bn times in 2025
    More than 150 anonymous channels using cheap AI tools to spread false stories about Keir Starmer, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025

    I've got to the stage where I don't believe anything.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,759
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,659
    I'm not sure what voters have against Starmer that would be answered by Burnham. He came 3rd or 4th against the Milliband- Balls and then lost to Corbyn.

    Do we know where he stands on anything? He doesn't seem to have Badenoch's belligerence but she's not the competition. More than likely it'll be Cleverley who strikes me as a much smarter operator and a cooler head. If and and when he takes over from Badenoch it could be a game changer
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,397
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
    So its your imaginary Labour activist chats.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,929
    ohnotnow said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Darth's only here for the LOLs.
    A guy needs a break from galactic domination every so often.

    So long as he doesn't drop by to give Elon a few tips we should be fine.
    As it happens, Elon is planning ever large satellites, with more and more power.

    Supposedly for AI.

    But they have lasers on them…
    For any radio drama fans, I re-listened to these recently :

    https://archive.org/details/steve-gallagher-0-2-hunters-moon

    (It's archive.org - therefore I'm sure 100% legal). The first "Last Rose of Summer" episodes are very good for it's time 'AI Takeover' fare.
    I’ve been listening to one called “The White Vault” - I never really was into radio drama/fiction podcasts but I have been really enjoying it. The general idea is that a team are put together by a mining company to go and solve a problem with a remote monitoring station in Svalbard in the middle of the winter. They have a guide/expert, a company rep, a tech guy, a doctor and a geologist and they have to battle a storm etc but find a mysterious cave structure. Anyway without spoiling it things are very wrong.

    The story is effectively done by a mysterious narrator introducing passages of recordings from the bunker’s system, their phones, laptops and notebooks etc.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,826
    edited December 14
    rkrkrk said:

    Would Starmer have scrapped the two child cap without the worry of a leadership challenge? I'm not sure.

    I see Burnham has been calling for the end to housing benefit freeze. I think thats sensible. It's surely a false economy when you consider the costs of homelessness.

    The trouble with LHAs (set at the 30th percentile of local rents, but now frozen since 2023-24) is that the difference between that rate and actual rates changes at different rates across the country - the difference is already very stark in Edinburgh, but not in Glasgow. I think it's a big issue in Wales for some reason too.

    (And the Lothian BRMA is a great example of a part of the UK with a very high rate of housebuilding (20%ish increase in dwellings in last decade), and also massive increases in rents (80%ish). The "build more" solution is doing a splendid job of draining the west coast of population and providing more STLs)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,004
    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    YouTube channels spreading fake, anti-Labour videos viewed 1.2bn times in 2025
    More than 150 anonymous channels using cheap AI tools to spread false stories about Keir Starmer, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025

    I've got to the stage where I don't believe anything.
    Its not going to stop until the Social Media companies are held liable as publishers.

    I note many were Russian operators.

    Social Media is killing itself with AI Slop. I don't expect many mourners at the funeral.
    Au contraire, my vulpine pal.

    There will be millions of mourners. It's just that they will all have uncanny valley faces, the wrong number of fingers and the ability to be utterly confident about spouting plausible untruths.

    On topic, maybe Labour should install one of them as party leader and PM.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,102
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
    Not according to Sandy Kemp in the Peggie case.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,037
    bigjohnowls said:

    GIN1138 said:



    How it ends

    Kier > Angela > Ed (MIliband)

    ....

    Nigel!

    More likely SKS > Wes > Nigel or whoever is Tory leader in 2029
    Very interested in what odds people think Farage gets in to number 10. I think he never will so at the right price I'd seriously look at that bet.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,196
    This is why the Royal Navy would devastate the French fleet in an ocean battle
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaWholhdTtc

    Binkov's Battlegrounds has a new video!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,826
    edited December 14
    Stuartinromford said:

    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    YouTube channels spreading fake, anti-Labour videos viewed 1.2bn times in 2025
    More than 150 anonymous channels using cheap AI tools to spread false stories about Keir Starmer, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025

    I've got to the stage where I don't believe anything.
    Its not going to stop until the Social Media companies are held liable as publishers.

    I note many were Russian operators.

    Social Media is killing itself with AI Slop. I don't expect many mourners at the funeral.
    Au contraire, my vulpine pal.

    There will be millions of mourners. It's just that they will all have uncanny valley faces, the wrong number of fingers and the ability to be utterly confident about spouting plausible untruths.

    On topic, maybe Labour should install one of them as party leader and PM.
    When they briefly revealed the account creation location, it wasn't much of a shock to find many of the vitriolic anti-cycling/anti-renewables accounts weren't actually from Scotland.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,037
    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Not to mention health and safety.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,310
    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    YouTube channels spreading fake, anti-Labour videos viewed 1.2bn times in 2025
    More than 150 anonymous channels using cheap AI tools to spread false stories about Keir Starmer, study finds
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025

    I've got to the stage where I don't believe anything.
    Its not going to stop until the Social Media companies are held liable as publishers.

    I note many were Russian operators.

    Social Media is killing itself with AI Slop. I don't expect many mourners at the funeral.
    I saw an interesting video a while ago by a science/technology YouTube channel (Kyle Hill, I think) on this subject, arguing we'll see a retreat from 'public' social media into curated, specific niches (like Discord channels or, dare I say it, an old-fashioned forum) just to get away from the slop.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,297
    Should Burnham connive his way to a by election in what should be a safe seat he'll not have an easy ride.

    Firstly the electorate don't really like that sort of thing - even though it might unsettle an unpopular PM I think he'll not be able to count on many.

    Then he's got the other parties to worry about. The Greens and Your party will surely both run, and Reform will of course too. So Burnham gets his vote squeezed and faces a real competitor.

    And then of course David Miliband might decide to run too as he fears that Burnham's shenanigans might propel a certain someone he has a bit of a grudge against to PM.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,102
    Cicero said:

    solarflare said:

    Nigelb said:

    Malmesbury said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    Malmesbury said:

    First

    The slight problem here is that it’s Andy Burnham.

    Vs Starmer

    I forsee the following -

    1) Starmer tries to impose an all women shortlist to block Burnham.
    2) this ends up in the Supreme Court
    3) Burham stands and loses to Count Binface.

    Speaking as the last remaining member of the Labour Party, if Burnham tries this in my constituency I am voting for Count Binface or whoever the most viable non-fascist not-Burnham candidate is.
    Probably turn out that Count Binface is actually the defrosted Adolf Hitler from that episode of the New Avengers.

    No, I’m not a fan of this timeline.
    Unlikely; better sense of humour than Hitler.
    More likely it's just Darth Vader cosplaying a British politician for a bit of fun.
    You'd never get the Death Star built with our planning regulations and Nimbyism.
    Not to mention health and safety.
    I don't think its impossible but you would need to pay the private education of every child of every planning lawyer in the country first. And with the VAT added that might take even longer than usual.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,759
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
    Not according to Sandy Kemp in the Peggie case.
    That judgement appears to be a total mess.

    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/sandie-peggie-tribunal-hit-formal-36392646

    It’s almost as if the process is the punishment for Peggie, one hopes that she ends up with her costs in full.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,995
    Yesterday, the Election Maps GB Polling Average briefly showed CROSSOVER!!! between Con and Lab and between Green and LD.

    However, with the addition of the latest Opinium both crosses have uncrossed.

    Essentially, we are now neck and neck for second and neck and neck for fourth.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,132
    LostPassword said:

    Why didn't Burnham become an MP in 2024?

    Two things seemed likely at that time - Labour would win a huge election victory, and Starmer was a poor leader, unwilling to sell policy to the country.

    It suggests that Burnham has poor judgement over the likelihood of Starmer being a success, so doesn't speak to him knowing what it takes to do the job well.

    I don't hold a candle for Starmer, and he's doing epically badly, but surely the Tory experience is that things can always get worse. There's no point putting someone else in as least unless there's a clear idea of what they will do differently to make things better (which isn't insane).

    Wouldnt have been shortlisted not right wing or Zionist enough.

    Candidates effectively hanx picke by the right wing Cabal SKS alloeed to run things.

    Hence Luke Akehurst MP, Mike Tapp MP etc etc etc
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,124
    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
    Also still doing thoughts and prayers are the policy makers.

    Terrible news out of Rhode Island this evening. We're all monitoring the situation and the FBI stands ready to do anything to help.

    We're all thinking of and praying for the victims tonight.
    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1999991781191237975
    Would “anything” [to help] include restricting access to guns?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,659
    bigjohnowls said:

    LostPassword said:

    Why didn't Burnham become an MP in 2024?

    Two things seemed likely at that time - Labour would win a huge election victory, and Starmer was a poor leader, unwilling to sell policy to the country.

    It suggests that Burnham has poor judgement over the likelihood of Starmer being a success, so doesn't speak to him knowing what it takes to do the job well.

    I don't hold a candle for Starmer, and he's doing epically badly, but surely the Tory experience is that things can always get worse. There's no point putting someone else in as least unless there's a clear idea of what they will do differently to make things better (which isn't insane).

    Wouldnt have been shortlisted not right wing or Zionist enough.

    Candidates effectively hanx picke by the right wing Cabal SKS alloeed to run things.

    Hence Luke Akehurst MP, Mike Tapp MP etc etc etc
    Who would you vote for who has any realistic chance of being in a position to change things in a direction you would approve of?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,132
    Cicero said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    GIN1138 said:



    How it ends

    Kier > Angela > Ed (MIliband)

    ....

    Nigel!

    More likely SKS > Wes > Nigel or whoever is Tory leader in 2029
    Very interested in what odds people think Farage gets in to number 10. I think he never will so at the right price I'd seriously look at that bet.
    Hopefully you are right.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,302
    ydoethur said:

    Meanwhile, Brendon McCullum confirms England will lose the third test:

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/cj9yrzzg9vmo

    On topic, flim flam. There's actually more chance of Corbyn returning as Labour leader than Burnham, because Corbyn is an MP (so would only have to rejoin the party) while Burnham isn't.

    "Bazball" has not changed England's standard practice of shuffling the bowlers after the batters fail.
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 494
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
    Not according to Sandy Kemp in the Peggie case.
    That judgement appears to be a total mess.

    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/sandie-peggie-tribunal-hit-formal-36392646

    It’s almost as if the process is the punishment for Peggie, one hopes that she ends up with her costs in full.
    She won't. This is an employment tribunal. They don't award costs and nor does the Employment Appeal Tribunal, which is the next stop. However, she has a rich backer who is apparently willing to fund her as far as necessary, so that isn't a problem for her.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,759
    prh47bridge said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Labour activists will tell you that a woman is anyone who says they are a woman, so no issues with that clause.

    I don't know how many Labour activists you chat with in the Sandpit, but it isn't true here.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/06/trans-women-barred-main-labour-womens-conference-2026
    That’s from after the Supreme Court judgment, that told them that what they were doing previously was illegal.
    Not according to Sandy Kemp in the Peggie case.
    That judgement appears to be a total mess.

    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/sandie-peggie-tribunal-hit-formal-36392646

    It’s almost as if the process is the punishment for Peggie, one hopes that she ends up with her costs in full.
    She won't. This is an employment tribunal. They don't award costs and nor does the Employment Appeal Tribunal, which is the next stop. However, she has a rich backer who is apparently willing to fund her as far as necessary, so that isn't a problem for her.
    Jo Rowling?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,457
    StillWaters said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
    Also still doing thoughts and prayers are the policy makers.

    Terrible news out of Rhode Island this evening. We're all monitoring the situation and the FBI stands ready to do anything to help.

    We're all thinking of and praying for the victims tonight.
    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1999991781191237975
    Would “anything” [to help] include restricting access to guns?
    Vance got in an X spat about this around six months ago, saying of course he wasn't just offering thoughts&prayers.

    Since then nothing in the way of action or policy.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,310
    Nigelb said:

    StillWaters said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mass shooting at Brown University -breaking sadly

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/5614615980001

    I never got over to Providence, but Mrs Rata spent a couple of semesters at Brown, so I pray a little more than I would at other times for the safety of those still involved.
    Also still doing thoughts and prayers are the policy makers.

    Terrible news out of Rhode Island this evening. We're all monitoring the situation and the FBI stands ready to do anything to help.

    We're all thinking of and praying for the victims tonight.
    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1999991781191237975
    Would “anything” [to help] include restricting access to guns?
    Vance got in an X spat about this around six months ago, saying of course he wasn't just offering thoughts&prayers.

    Since then nothing in the way of action or policy.
    I, for one, am shocked that crossing your fingers doesn't stop shootings.
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