Trump: I am not involved in that, I will be probably involved maybe in the decision... I think CNN should be sold because the people that are running CNN right now are either corrupt or incompetent.
Reporter: Will that be a factor in the decision making?
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I don't but I did. It started to be a shithole under Boris and Khan has made it infinitely worse for Londoners. I never go.to London(inner) if I can avoid it.
Thats bollocks. London is a much nicer, cleaner and safer city than it was decades ago.
Leicester has gone downhill over the last couple of decades. The Golden Mile isn't what it was. Our Indian community is now wealthy enough to shop in Gujerat rather than the Belgrave Road. The city centre has lost a lot of anchor stores to the retail park near the motorway.
Happily, sometimes retail parks have a shelf life:
Trump: I am not involved in that, I will be probably involved maybe in the decision... I think CNN should be sold because the people that are running CNN right now are either corrupt or incompetent.
Reporter: Will that be a factor in the decision making?
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
Perhaps if he got stuck halfway up a tripwire Tories would warm to him.
Thing is that a Big City Mayor needs to be able to turn on the kilowatt lightbulb from time to time. My City Is The Best City In The World, that kind of thing. The sort of thing that Andy B does for Manchester, that both Boris and Ken did for London.
Boris's problem is that the lightbulb was on all the bloody time, and it was all he brought to the job. GLA Ken was probably the ideal- able to operate well both front-of-house and backstage to get what he wanted done and make sure that everyone knew about it.
As for Sadiq- citywide ULEZ is a decent legacy, but I suspect he's played out now. But then you look around for a replacement... who is there? The list of defeated rivals- Zac Goldsmith, Shaun Bailey and Susan Hall- doesn't scream 'quality field". Neither does the Labour longlist from 2016.
No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.
But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.
(“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
Some people absolutely hate the idea of a government regulation actually working and having a positive impact. We're already seeing it with renewables - that the transition and all the good that is coming out of that would have happened anyway without meddling woke green-types. We also see it with road safety - claims that the number of fatalities would have fallen anyway without speed limits, EU regulations etc etc
It's not something to be overly worried about tbh - it's a sign that the argument has been won. ULEZ is a good example of a regulation that was announced early (Johnson, 2015), giving time for people to adjust, and a politician putting up with extreme levels of vitriol and criminality to cement the change in place (Khan, 2020). Good work from everyone.
Even Private Eye is being extremely positive about ULEZ.
Here is an image host of a graph of the various air pollutants in london over time: https://ibb.co/pr34v718
No source given. And suspiciously recent.
The joys of AI it can hunt out the information. But you need to have a bit of background on this kind of stuff to make sure it isnt hallucinating, and this trend tends to fit an older piece of data I have.
Sorry, the first is no good at once for ULEZ as it is about 2023. The second isn't any good as it is only real time. And the third makes a point of saying that it's up to date to 2016 for accurate historical map figures.
Plus an average as per the original map is useless - it's the street level figures one needs.
Finally, *anything* proffered by AI is suspect given the politicization of the issue.
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I don't but I did. It started to be a shithole under Boris and Khan has made it infinitely worse for Londoners. I never go.to London(inner) if I can avoid it.
Ok. I mean, I live in inner London and it is much nicer than it used to be, but I suppose I must be imagining the great pubs and brilliant restaurants and beautiful parks like I imagined the improvement in air quality and the fucking huge tunnel I drove through under the Thames. I'm so lucky I have you provincial chaps on here to set me right, when I'd otherwise have to rely on my own eyes to figure out the state of things.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump: I am not involved in that, I will be probably involved maybe in the decision... I think CNN should be sold because the people that are running CNN right now are either corrupt or incompetent.
Reporter: Will that be a factor in the decision making?
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.
But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.
(“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
Some people absolutely hate the idea of a government regulation actually working and having a positive impact. We're already seeing it with renewables - that the transition and all the good that is coming out of that would have happened anyway without meddling woke green-types. We also see it with road safety - claims that the number of fatalities would have fallen anyway without speed limits, EU regulations etc etc
It's not something to be overly worried about tbh - it's a sign that the argument has been won. ULEZ is a good example of a regulation that was announced early (Johnson, 2015), giving time for people to adjust, and a politician putting up with extreme levels of vitriol and criminality to cement the change in place (Khan, 2020). Good work from everyone.
Even Private Eye is being extremely positive about ULEZ.
Here is an image host of a graph of the various air pollutants in london over time: https://ibb.co/pr34v718
No source given. And suspiciously recent.
The joys of AI it can hunt out the information. But you need to have a bit of background on this kind of stuff to make sure it isnt hallucinating, and this trend tends to fit an older piece of data I have.
Air pollution in London, like many kinds of pollution has been quietly falling for years. This is a combination of ratcheting standards, and modern technology.
Lots of steps on the way, and it’s an ongoing process.
For example, the Boris Buses were about reducing pollution from buses, to meet increasing standards - some of the old buses were practically rolling coal.
Another was encouraging minicab drivers to switch from old bangers to Priuses - largely through enforcement on checks for MOT/Insurance/etc.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I don't but I did. It started to be a shithole under Boris and Khan has made it infinitely worse for Londoners. I never go.to London(inner) if I can avoid it.
Ok. I mean, I live in inner London and it is much nicer than it used to be, but I suppose I must be imagining the great pubs and brilliant restaurants and beautiful parks like I imagined the improvement in air quality and the fucking huge tunnel I drove through under the Thames. I'm so lucky I have you provincial chaps on here to set me right, when I'd otherwise have to rely on my own eyes to figure out the state of things.
Don't forget the pointy-nosed purple trains. The psychological difference between standing on a Zone 6 platform to go to Liverpool Street and standing on the same platform to go to Tottenham Court Rd or Heathrow is both trivial and massive.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
Trump: I am not involved in that, I will be probably involved maybe in the decision... I think CNN should be sold because the people that are running CNN right now are either corrupt or incompetent.
Reporter: Will that be a factor in the decision making?
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I think he's shit and live in London. He's there because of demographics and no other reason. Though even that might not be enough to save him next time.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.
But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.
(“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
One thing in, what, 10 years? And my taxes have gone up by the maximum he can each year, while the TfL service gets worse and their losses increase. He’s a useless bureaucrat
What taxes has he raised?
I assume you aren't talking about income tax a nd council tax
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
At the same time there were Trump's comments on Paris.
The reality is that the authorities have effectively cancelled the new year celebrations in Paris because of safety concerns. That ought to be giving us pause for thought.
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I think he's shit and live in London. He's there because of demographics and no other reason. Though even that might not be enough to save him next time.
He's there because he was the Labour candidate, and the Conservatives were in power in Westminster.
A one legged donkey wearing a red rosette would have won the London mayoral election in 2016.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I think he's shit and live in London. He's there because of demographics and no other reason. Though even that might not be enough to save him next time.
He's there because he was the Labour candidate, and the Conservatives were in power in Westminster.
A one legged donkey wearing a red rosette would have won the London mayoral election in 2016.
Yes in 2016 I agree. I don't think a non-Muslim candidate can win in London now unless the Muslim opponent it's someone blatantly corrupt like the politicians we see from Tower Hamlets and outer London voters are annoyed enough to do something about it.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I think he's shit and live in London. He's there because of demographics and no other reason. Though even that might not be enough to save him next time.
He's there because he was the Labour candidate, and the Conservatives were in power in Westminster.
A one legged donkey wearing a red rosette would have won the London mayoral election in 2016.
Yes in 2016 I agree. I don't think a non-Muslim candidate can win in London now unless the Muslim opponent it's someone blatantly corrupt like the politicians we see from Tower Hamlets and outer London voters are annoyed enough to do something about it.
Happy to offer you good odds on a non Muslim mayor being elected in the next decade in London. Any size you like.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I think he's shit and live in London. He's there because of demographics and no other reason. Though even that might not be enough to save him next time.
He's there because he was the Labour candidate, and the Conservatives were in power in Westminster.
A one legged donkey wearing a red rosette would have won the London mayoral election in 2016.
Yes in 2016 I agree. I don't think a non-Muslim candidate can win in London now unless the Muslim opponent it's someone blatantly corrupt like the politicians we see from Tower Hamlets and outer London voters are annoyed enough to do something about it.
Interested in the maths here. London, Census 2021:
Muslim 15% Christian 41% No religion 27% Hindu 5% Jewish 2% Sikh 2%
Compared with cities like Birmingham, Bradford etc, London doesn't have a particularly large Muslim population (though compared to the rest of the country, it does).
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I think he's shit and live in London. He's there because of demographics and no other reason. Though even that might not be enough to save him next time.
He's there because he was the Labour candidate, and the Conservatives were in power in Westminster.
A one legged donkey wearing a red rosette would have won the London mayoral election in 2016.
Yes in 2016 I agree. I don't think a non-Muslim candidate can win in London now unless the Muslim opponent it's someone blatantly corrupt like the politicians we see from Tower Hamlets and outer London voters are annoyed enough to do something about it.
Hard to tell when the Conservative standard-bearers since then have been Shaun Bailey and Susan Hall. Neither of them came anywhere near 'semi-plausible candidate to run the nation's capital'. Indeed, Hall gives off very strong 'Middlesex, actually' vibes, which simply isn't going to work for the role she claimed she wanted.
Someone with the right mix of executive skills and showmanship, plus a bit of evidence that they actually want the job, would be hard to beat. But it's really not easy to see who that someone is.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
A good way to test someone's politics is to ask them to name someone they think is a centrist commentator.
If anyone disagrees with "Ian Dunt" as an answer, they are clearly divorced from reality.
The funny thing is my guess is you probably actually believe that. A man who describes himself on bluesky as a liberal extremist.
He's a man who repeatedly describes himself as a centrist. Have you read/listened to anything he's written/said?
He wrote a book called "How to be a liberal". Not "How to be a centrist".
Yes, and where are liberals generally placed in the political spectrum? Is it in the centre? Oh, yes, it is.
That's a tired old formula that suggests it all depends on economic issues. A guy who spends his time on bluesky retweeting James O'Brien and Jonathan Portes sounds more like a metropolitan liberal to me. Nothing wrong with that but I doubt many people across the UK would see him as someone in the middle.
Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London
I think he's shit and live in London. He's there because of demographics and no other reason. Though even that might not be enough to save him next time.
He's there because he was the Labour candidate, and the Conservatives were in power in Westminster.
A one legged donkey wearing a red rosette would have won the London mayoral election in 2016.
Yes in 2016 I agree. I don't think a non-Muslim candidate can win in London now unless the Muslim opponent it's someone blatantly corrupt like the politicians we see from Tower Hamlets and outer London voters are annoyed enough to do something about it.
Happy to offer you good odds on a non Muslim mayor being elected in the next decade in London. Any size you like.
Well, the current one is tiny, isn't he? So I'd probably bet on a bigger one.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
It's the latest bizarre insult among the extremely online right. I guess it includes my kids who wear them at school, as well as their teachers and dinner ladies.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
A Bad Person. A Very Bad Person.
(I am Very Very Bad Person. Not only do I wear a lanyard, I tell students to wear theirs. Come the revolution, I'm due up against the wall in about week seven.)
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
I may not be unique but Trump does tend to attack ethnic minorities more, and in particular those who are women. He denigrates their appearance, intelligence, qualifications and so on, exactly the kind of thing you would expect from a racist misogynist. People shouldn't pretend "Trump's like that with everyone", he's not.
So nobody should be making any excuses for Trump's attacks on Khan. Trump isn't attacking Khan's policies or record, he's attacking the person, and not because of who Khan is (a bland and uninteresting politician in most regards) but because of his ethnicity and religion.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
A Bad Person. A Very Bad Person.
(I am Very Very Bad Person. Not only do I wear a lanyard, I tell students to wear theirs. Come the revolution, I'm due up against the wall in about week seven.)
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
It's the latest bizarre insult among the extremely online right. I guess it includes my kids who wear them at school, as well as their teachers and dinner ladies.
Given how many people there are in the world, statistically there must be at least someone who likes their nudism with added lanyard.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
I may not be unique but Trump does tend to attack ethnic minorities more, and in particular those who are women. He denigrates their appearance, intelligence, qualifications and so on, exactly the kind of thing you would expect from a racist misogynist. People shouldn't pretend "Trump's like that with everyone", he's not.
So nobody should be making any excuses for Trump's attacks on Khan. Trump isn't attacking Khan's policies or record, he's attacking the person, and not because of who Khan is (a bland and uninteresting politician in most regards) but because of his ethnicity and religion.
I guess we all just imagined him calling Biden names for 4 years and the 7 GOP candidates in the run up 2016. Strange collective amnesia among PBers tonight.
Marco Foster @MarcoFoster_ · 2h James Carville on Donald Trump: “He’s done. We’ve just got to butter this toast and slice it and eat it. He’s done. It’s over. You’re a loser dude. You’re losing everywhere and you’re gonna lose more because you my friend are a loser.”
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
People in decent jobs paying high taxes on their earnings. They inhabit that part of society which is not minted enough to generate income from property, but also not desperate enough to consider voting Reform. For reasons that escape me, some people on the right think they are worthy of ridicule rather than their core voting demographic. Weird.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
What is an Islamophobe exactly?
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Marco Foster @MarcoFoster_ · 2h James Carville on Donald Trump: “He’s done. We’ve just got to butter this toast and slice it and eat it. He’s done. It’s over. You’re a loser dude. You’re losing everywhere and you’re gonna lose more because you my friend are a loser.”
I don't even really know what Trump being a loser matters anymore. What, he might find some things harder to do if the GOP lose the midterms? The Supreme Court might not permit him to do absolutely anything? He won't get a third term?
No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.
But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
He is incredibly bland.
Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.
Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.
I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.
Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.
I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
Have forgotten the time Sadiq Khan forced out Cressida Dick?
If I were editing PB that night I would have used the headline 'Sadiq Khan gets Dick out!'
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
What is an Islamophobe exactly?
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
People who insist on interpreting "Islamophobia" (or "homophobia") as having to be a phobia in the sense of, say, arachnophobia are like people saying that Arabs cannot be "anti-Semitic" because they are "Semites".
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
Someone who works in a place where access security matters and doesn't work from home.
Its now used as a sneer by snobs who don't have to work like real people do. A sort of modern version of "Don't you know who I am?"
No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.
But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.
(“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
One thing in, what, 10 years? And my taxes have gone up by the maximum he can each year, while the TfL service gets worse and their losses increase. He’s a useless bureaucrat
What taxes has he raised?
I assume you aren't talking about income tax a nd council tax
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
If someone has genuinely campaigned for muslim candidates I'd find it hard to believe they have an antipathy for everyone of that faith.
'I'm not X, I have X friends' is, to be sure, a cliched dodge, but it's also not impossible to be true.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Don't forget (but I think I'm right in saying) he doesn't believe the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel Palestine conflict has anything to do with antisemitism.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
People in decent jobs paying high taxes on their earnings. They inhabit that part of society which is not minted enough to generate income from property, but also not desperate enough to consider voting Reform. For reasons that escape me, some people on the right think they are worthy of ridicule rather than their core voting demographic. Weird.
No, the lanyard wearing class is different. They're the people who wear it outside of their workplace like a badge of honour. Self important busybodies, usually they have nothing jobs in the public sector or third sector actively hindering productivity.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Yes, jumping from Muslim to terrorist is really showing how you're not Islamophobic, Max. Keep it up.
(The nearest I've been to a terrorist attack was being woken up in 1992 by the sound of a bomb exploding that had been set by Catholic terrorists.)
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
I may not be unique but Trump does tend to attack ethnic minorities more, and in particular those who are women. He denigrates their appearance, intelligence, qualifications and so on, exactly the kind of thing you would expect from a racist misogynist. People shouldn't pretend "Trump's like that with everyone", he's not.
So nobody should be making any excuses for Trump's attacks on Khan. Trump isn't attacking Khan's policies or record, he's attacking the person, and not because of who Khan is (a bland and uninteresting politician in most regards) but because of his ethnicity and religion.
I guess we all just imagined him calling Biden names for 4 years and the 7 GOP candidates in the run up 2016. Strange collective amnesia among PBers tonight.
Nobody has forgotten that. It's just not the same. Trump's abuse is qualitatively different when directed at ethnic minorities and women. It's not just being rude to a political opponent, the racism and misogyny comes out as well.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
What is an Islamophobe exactly?
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
People who insist on interpreting "Islamophobia" (or "homophobia") as having to be a phobia in the sense of, say, arachnophobia are like people saying that Arabs cannot be "anti-Semitic" because they are "Semites".
If it's silly to equate X-phobias with being like a phobia maybe we should come up with different labels for them.
That's like when people said Defund the Police didn't have to mean literally defunding the police, which if so made it very silly as a slogan.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Don't forget (but I think I'm right in saying) he doesn't believe the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel Palestine conflict has anything to do with antisemitism.
Me? No, I think that part of the reason for the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel/Palestine conflict is indeed antisemitism.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
I may not be unique but Trump does tend to attack ethnic minorities more, and in particular those who are women. He denigrates their appearance, intelligence, qualifications and so on, exactly the kind of thing you would expect from a racist misogynist. People shouldn't pretend "Trump's like that with everyone", he's not.
So nobody should be making any excuses for Trump's attacks on Khan. Trump isn't attacking Khan's policies or record, he's attacking the person, and not because of who Khan is (a bland and uninteresting politician in most regards) but because of his ethnicity and religion.
I guess we all just imagined him calling Biden names for 4 years and the 7 GOP candidates in the run up 2016. Strange collective amnesia among PBers tonight.
Nobody has forgotten that. It's just not the same. Trump's abuse is qualitatively different when directed at ethnic minorities and women. It's not just being rude to a political opponent, the racism and misogyny comes out as well.
I don't see how you can know that. I think Trump is a generally awful and dislikeable person who will say anything about anyone who opposes him. Is Crooked Hillary any worse than Sleepy Joe or calling Ted Cruz the zodiac killer?
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Don't forget (but I think I'm right in saying) he doesn't believe the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel Palestine conflict has anything to do with antisemitism.
Me? No, I think that part of the reason for the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel/Palestine conflict is indeed antisemitism.
Well I may be wrong but I seem to remember when you wrote a long 'explanation' for it you didn't actually mention antisemitism, something pretty central to the world's two biggest religions.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
Someone who works in a place where access security matters and doesn't work from home.
Its now used as a sneer by snobs who don't have to work like real people do. A sort of modern version of "Don't you know who I am?"
Not that the snobs have much time for WFH.
The real irony is that many of the lanyard class would have been, until really quite recently, a core Conservative demographic. Partly because of doing the sort of jobs where security matters, but also the whole civil order thing. For various reasons, eroded to virtually nothing.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
It's the latest bizarre insult among the extremely online right. I guess it includes my kids who wear them at school, as well as their teachers and dinner ladies.
Your kids have to wear lanyards?
I hate the damn things* - I wore one in my first 'proper' job in civil service, then didn't need one as a student, then in subsequent jobs I've been issued with an access/ID card and lanyard, but have simply kept the card in my wallet (they're all RFID or similar) and opted not to wear it. No one has objected.
*lanyards, not the people - it's aimed at civil service and academia, I guess, but they must be common in all kinds of office
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
Someone who works in a place where access security matters and doesn't work from home.
Its now used as a sneer by snobs who don't have to work like real people do. A sort of modern version of "Don't you know who I am?"
Not that the snobs have much time for WFH.
The real irony is that many of the lanyard class would have been, until really quite recently, a core Conservative demographic. Partly because of doing the sort of jobs where security matters, but also the whole civil order thing. For various reasons, eroded to virtually nothing.
It's funny to me how political parties can be very quick to totally abandon the idea of appealing to rather large demographics and groups (the young, the public sector, whatever), even when not too long ago they used to do well with them.
Of course, the public can be similarly definitive - even accounting for potentially large shifts in an area, the sorts of places that would never now vote Tory/Labour, which have examples of doing just that, are quite stark at times.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Yes, jumping from Muslim to terrorist is really showing how you're not Islamophobic, Max. Keep it up.
(The nearest I've been to a terrorist attack was being woken up in 1992 by the sound of a bomb exploding that had been set by Catholic terrorists.)
And yet it was two of my family members that had life altering injuries in the terrorist attack in Nairobi by Islamic terrorists.
Aren't you supposed to be a scientist? Isn't science pattern recognition. Are you so far gone that you've turned off your ability to see obvious patterns for fear of being seen as racist? I mean that's really what this boils down to. You don't want to be seen as racist, it's a common white liberal affliction. We've literally had CSE scandals across the country from that sentiment and yet here you are walking that same well trod path to failure.
It’s a shame the US is hosting both the WC and Summer Olympics .
At a time with the most disgusting cesspit administration who lecture us about freedom of speech and then bring in new rules that if Europe replicated against the USA would be met with absolute furore there .
We’ve reached almost North Korean levels of one must not insult the Dear Leader .
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
What is an Islamophobe exactly?
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
People who insist on interpreting "Islamophobia" (or "homophobia") as having to be a phobia in the sense of, say, arachnophobia are like people saying that Arabs cannot be "anti-Semitic" because they are "Semites".
If it's silly to equate X-phobias with being like a phobia maybe we should come up with different labels for them.
That's like when people said Defund the Police didn't have to mean literally defunding the police, which if so made it very silly as a slogan.
Lots of words have silly etymologies. Don't become the person who starts tell using how "gay" used to mean "happy"...
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Yes, jumping from Muslim to terrorist is really showing how you're not Islamophobic, Max. Keep it up.
(The nearest I've been to a terrorist attack was being woken up in 1992 by the sound of a bomb exploding that had been set by Catholic terrorists.)
And yet it was two of my family members that had life altering injuries in the terrorist attack in Nairobi by Islamic terrorists.
Aren't you supposed to be a scientist? Isn't science pattern recognition. Are you so far gone that you've turned off your ability to see obvious patterns for fear of being seen as racist? I mean that's really what this boils down to. You don't want to be seen as racist, it's a common white liberal affliction. We've literally had CSE scandals across the country from that sentiment and yet here you are walking that same well trod path to failure.
I don't know about scientist but very much of the wet market hypothesis.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Don't forget (but I think I'm right in saying) he doesn't believe the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel Palestine conflict has anything to do with antisemitism.
Me? No, I think that part of the reason for the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel/Palestine conflict is indeed antisemitism.
Well I may be wrong but I seem to remember when you wrote a long 'explanation' for it you didn't actually mention antisemitism, something pretty central to the world's two biggest religions.
So, I offer you a choice between my direct statement above, or your vague memory of some past conversation. Feel free to pick which one you would rather go with.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
It's the latest bizarre insult among the extremely online right. I guess it includes my kids who wear them at school, as well as their teachers and dinner ladies.
Your kids have to wear lanyards?
I hate the damn things* - I wore one in my first 'proper' job in civil service, then didn't need one as a student, then in subsequent jobs I've been issued with an access/ID card and lanyard, but have simply kept the card in my wallet (they're all RFID or similar) and opted not to wear it. No one has objected.
*lanyards, not the people - it's aimed at civil service and academia, I guess, but they must be common in all kinds of office
In places that don't have a school uniform, it's the least bad way of regulating at-a-glance who should and shouldn't be on-campus. That's most places post-16, and a small minority of schools lower down the age range.
(Memories of a short story we had read to us at junior school. Kid arrives at a school for their first day, causes utter chaos... 'sorry, I didn't know, I've just moved here...' When the headmaster finally catches up with them at the end of the day, the punchline is 'yes, I've just moved here, and I start at my actual school next week'.)
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
What is an Islamophobe exactly?
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
People who insist on interpreting "Islamophobia" (or "homophobia") as having to be a phobia in the sense of, say, arachnophobia are like people saying that Arabs cannot be "anti-Semitic" because they are "Semites".
If it's silly to equate X-phobias with being like a phobia maybe we should come up with different labels for them.
That's like when people said Defund the Police didn't have to mean literally defunding the police, which if so made it very silly as a slogan.
Lots of words have silly etymologies. Don't become the person who starts tell using how "gay" used to mean "happy"...
I won't, but I think the comparison is silly. Phobia has a more technical meaning that is still in general usage, and it is not absurd for people to object to it being applied to broader, and more general, expressions of hatred. Indeed, I think it is an unhelpful term, since phobia implies a fear or anxiety that may have nothing to do with one's hatred of muslims, jews, gay people, transexuals, or other groups, suggesting an excuse for it (illegitimate though it may be).
I'm not sure what might be the best replacement, but I am sure phobia is presently a poor label, and not one which has lost its initial meaning.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
It's the latest bizarre insult among the extremely online right. I guess it includes my kids who wear them at school, as well as their teachers and dinner ladies.
Your kids have to wear lanyards?
I hate the damn things* - I wore one in my first 'proper' job in civil service, then didn't need one as a student, then in subsequent jobs I've been issued with an access/ID card and lanyard, but have simply kept the card in my wallet (they're all RFID or similar) and opted not to wear it. No one has objected.
*lanyards, not the people - it's aimed at civil service and academia, I guess, but they must be common in all kinds of office
Yeah, they have different coloured ribbons so the teachers know what year they're in. I don't think the kids mind wearing them, they don't realise they might be mistaken for third sector busybody productivity wreckers by angry rightwingers. The innocence of youth!
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Yes, jumping from Muslim to terrorist is really showing how you're not Islamophobic, Max. Keep it up.
(The nearest I've been to a terrorist attack was being woken up in 1992 by the sound of a bomb exploding that had been set by Catholic terrorists.)
And yet it was two of my family members that had life altering injuries in the terrorist attack in Nairobi by Islamic terrorists.
Aren't you supposed to be a scientist? Isn't science pattern recognition. Are you so far gone that you've turned off your ability to see obvious patterns for fear of being seen as racist? I mean that's really what this boils down to. You don't want to be seen as racist, it's a common white liberal affliction. We've literally had CSE scandals across the country from that sentiment and yet here you are walking that same well trod path to failure.
I am sorry to hear of your family members' injuries.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
It's the latest bizarre insult among the extremely online right. I guess it includes my kids who wear them at school, as well as their teachers and dinner ladies.
Your kids have to wear lanyards?
I hate the damn things* - I wore one in my first 'proper' job in civil service, then didn't need one as a student, then in subsequent jobs I've been issued with an access/ID card and lanyard, but have simply kept the card in my wallet (they're all RFID or similar) and opted not to wear it. No one has objected.
*lanyards, not the people - it's aimed at civil service and academia, I guess, but they must be common in all kinds of office
Yeah, they have different coloured ribbons so the teachers know what year they're in. I don't think the kids mind wearing them, they don't realise they might be mistaken for third sector busybody productivity wreckers by angry rightwingers. The innocence of youth!
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
It's the latest bizarre insult among the extremely online right. I guess it includes my kids who wear them at school, as well as their teachers and dinner ladies.
Your kids have to wear lanyards?
How else does one keep track of, I presume, their own children? You pass out labels for child 1, child 2, child 3, and so on.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
Someone who works in a place where access security matters and doesn't work from home.
Its now used as a sneer by snobs who don't have to work like real people do. A sort of modern version of "Don't you know who I am?"
Not that the snobs have much time for WFH.
The real irony is that many of the lanyard class would have been, until really quite recently, a core Conservative demographic. Partly because of doing the sort of jobs where security matters, but also the whole civil order thing. For various reasons, eroded to virtually nothing.
It's funny to me how political parties can be very quick to totally abandon the idea of appealing to rather large demographics and groups (the young, the public sector, whatever), even when not too long ago they used to do well with them.
Of course, the public can be similarly definitive - even accounting for potentially large shifts in an area, the sorts of places that would never now vote Tory/Labour, which have examples of doing just that, are quite stark at times.
At one time people of working age in white collar jobs were a natural Tory demographic in both public and private sectors. Those days are long gone. Blue collar workers are increasingly Reform, but the only natural Tory vote is now the retired homeowner. An important demographic electorally, but one that shrinks by about 200 000 per year.
Where are the new Tory voters to come from? It isn't obvious.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
Lol, I genuinely think you need help. You're so liberal to the point that when the nice Islamic terrorist decides to behead you that you'll be pleased that you weren't "islamophobic".
Don't forget (but I think I'm right in saying) he doesn't believe the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel Palestine conflict has anything to do with antisemitism.
Me? No, I think that part of the reason for the disproportionate attention devoted globally to the Israel/Palestine conflict is indeed antisemitism.
Well I may be wrong but I seem to remember when you wrote a long 'explanation' for it you didn't actually mention antisemitism, something pretty central to the world's two biggest religions.
So, I offer you a choice between my direct statement above, or your vague memory of some past conversation. Feel free to pick which one you would rather go with.
I'll trust my memory thanks. And the real test is whether you would have mentioned antisemitism unprompted. I suspect not.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
What is an Islamophobe exactly?
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
People who insist on interpreting "Islamophobia" (or "homophobia") as having to be a phobia in the sense of, say, arachnophobia are like people saying that Arabs cannot be "anti-Semitic" because they are "Semites".
If it's silly to equate X-phobias with being like a phobia maybe we should come up with different labels for them.
That's like when people said Defund the Police didn't have to mean literally defunding the police, which if so made it very silly as a slogan.
Lots of words have silly etymologies. Don't become the person who starts tell using how "gay" used to mean "happy"...
And yet that over-literalism is precisely what you are doing in insisting that lanyard wearing class means anyone who has to wear a lanyard for work, as opposed to a more specific meaning eg those who choose to wear eg rainbow etc lanyards out of choice to signify messages.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
What is an Islamophobe exactly?
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
People who insist on interpreting "Islamophobia" (or "homophobia") as having to be a phobia in the sense of, say, arachnophobia are like people saying that Arabs cannot be "anti-Semitic" because they are "Semites".
If it's silly to equate X-phobias with being like a phobia maybe we should come up with different labels for them.
That's like when people said Defund the Police didn't have to mean literally defunding the police, which if so made it very silly as a slogan.
Lots of words have silly etymologies. Don't become the person who starts tell using how "gay" used to mean "happy"...
I won't, but I think the comparison is silly. Phobia has a more technical meaning that is still in general usage, and it is not absurd for people to object to it being applied to broader, and more general, expressions of hatred. Indeed, I think it is an unhelpful term, since phobia implies a fear or anxiety that may have nothing to do with one's hatred of muslims, jews, gay people, transexuals, or other groups, suggesting an excuse for it (illegitimate though it may be).
I'm not sure what might be the best replacement, but I am sure phobia is presently a poor label, and not one which has lost its initial meaning.
It's a silly etymology, yes, but that battle has been lost and we are where we are.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
What point are you trying to make here? "Trump is a racist, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt: maybe this particular case of name-calling directed at a brown Muslim is just pettiness." Really?
No, I have absolutely no benefit of the doubt for Trump.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I guess Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe were actually black lesbian transgenders in the lanyard wearing world.
What is a lanyard wearer?
It's the latest bizarre insult among the extremely online right. I guess it includes my kids who wear them at school, as well as their teachers and dinner ladies.
Your kids have to wear lanyards?
I hate the damn things* - I wore one in my first 'proper' job in civil service, then didn't need one as a student, then in subsequent jobs I've been issued with an access/ID card and lanyard, but have simply kept the card in my wallet (they're all RFID or similar) and opted not to wear it. No one has objected.
*lanyards, not the people - it's aimed at civil service and academia, I guess, but they must be common in all kinds of office
In places that don't have a school uniform, it's the least bad way of regulating at-a-glance who should and shouldn't be on-campus. That's most places post-16, and a small minority of schools lower down the age range.
(Memories of a short story we had read to us at junior school. Kid arrives at a school for their first day, causes utter chaos... 'sorry, I didn't know, I've just moved here...' When the headmaster finally catches up with them at the end of the day, the punchline is 'yes, I've just moved here, and I start at my actual school next week'.)
Ah, well if they get to trade the tie for a lanyard, then sign me up!
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.
I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.
People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
Oh maaaaaaaate
Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.
Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?
If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
Is it political name-calling or racism? Well, it was Trump, someone who has been obviously racist for decades, and has said multiple clearly explicitly racist comments in the last few weeks, so I'm guessing the latter.
Trump is racist, I agree, but he also is pathetically petty and calls anyone and everyone by stupid names.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
It's funny, I'd never normally vote for Khan.
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
I feel like none of Khan's opponents have ever really had a handle on how to attack him. I don't live in London so I'd have no advice on what might resonate with the voters best, but IIRC at least twice the Tories have tried to paint him as an extremist, and it clearly hasn't been very persuasive.
The only way to win will be to draw Muslim voters away from Khan. That's his inbuilt demographic advantage, Jews and Hindus are far outnumbered by Muslims in London and any candidate that beats Khan next time if he runs will be Muslim.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
There are more atheists and more Christians in London than there are Muslims, which rather undermines your theory. We know you hate Muslims, but loving or hating Muslims is not the main determinant of how most people in London vote.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't hate Muslims. I have a severe dislike of Islam, I think it is a barbaric religion that oppresses women and minorities wherever it exists as a majority. I know and like plenty of Muslim people and I went out and campaigned for plenty of Muslim Tory candidates across London and supported Sajid Javid as candidate for the leadership.
"I'm not an Islamophobe, I've got Muslim friends," appears to be the gist of your answer.
What is an Islamophobe exactly?
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
People who insist on interpreting "Islamophobia" (or "homophobia") as having to be a phobia in the sense of, say, arachnophobia are like people saying that Arabs cannot be "anti-Semitic" because they are "Semites".
If it's silly to equate X-phobias with being like a phobia maybe we should come up with different labels for them.
That's like when people said Defund the Police didn't have to mean literally defunding the police, which if so made it very silly as a slogan.
Lots of words have silly etymologies. Don't become the person who starts tell using how "gay" used to mean "happy"...
And yet that over-literalism is precisely what you are doing in insisting that lanyard wearing class means anyone who has to wear a lanyard for work, as opposed to a more specific meaning eg those who choose to wear eg rainbow etc lanyards out of choice to signify messages.
If an insult needs glossing like that, it's a bad insult. Especially if you are an electoral politician and it causes people who might give you half the time of day to think that you hate them on general principles.
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Reporter: What changes do you want to see at CNN?
Trump: I am not involved in that, I will be probably involved maybe in the decision... I think CNN should be sold because the people that are running CNN right now are either corrupt or incompetent.
Reporter: Will that be a factor in the decision making?
Trump: In my mind, but I can be talked out of it
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1998860067890933844
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgz3927kqyo
Boris's problem is that the lightbulb was on all the bloody time, and it was all he brought to the job. GLA Ken was probably the ideal- able to operate well both front-of-house and backstage to get what he wanted done and make sure that everyone knew about it.
As for Sadiq- citywide ULEZ is a decent legacy, but I suspect he's played out now. But then you look around for a replacement... who is there? The list of defeated rivals- Zac Goldsmith, Shaun Bailey and Susan Hall- doesn't scream 'quality field". Neither does the Labour longlist from 2016.
Plus an average as per the original map is useless - it's the street level figures one needs.
Finally, *anything* proffered by AI is suspect given the politicization of the issue.
I'm going to bring it all in house at some point.
Name-calling by Trump is hardly unique to minorities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Gateway_Bridge
Lots of steps on the way, and it’s an ongoing process.
For example, the Boris Buses were about reducing pollution from buses, to meet increasing standards - some of the old buses were practically rolling coal.
Another was encouraging minicab drivers to switch from old bangers to Priuses - largely through enforcement on checks for MOT/Insurance/etc.
The subtext of this is Starmer is preparing to give them guns and the Falklands? Perhaps guns in lieu of cash…
But Trump's wildly over the top criticism suddenly makes me think quite kindly of him. If Trump hates him that much, he can't be all bad.
Back then it was "you're fired" now its "you're freed".
No need to worry about political votes or public opinion or bond markets or economic stats.
The reality is that the authorities have effectively cancelled the new year celebrations in Paris because of safety concerns. That ought to be giving us pause for thought.
A one legged donkey wearing a red rosette would have won the London mayoral election in 2016.
But equally he is pathetic enough that name-calling is par for the course for him. If he were only name-calling against minorities then yes that would be [another] example of racism, but when he goes for stupid and OTT names for everyone he dislikes regardless of race, then no it isn't.
I also think directly elected executive politicians should have term limits.
Political labels are often useful shorthand, but they have their limitations.
ETA:
Dunt, clearly a bit left. I assumed bondegezou's comment was in jest!
Muslim 15%
Christian 41%
No religion 27%
Hindu 5%
Jewish 2%
Sikh 2%
Compared with cities like Birmingham, Bradford etc, London doesn't have a particularly large Muslim population (though compared to the rest of the country, it does).
Someone with the right mix of executive skills and showmanship, plus a bit of evidence that they actually want the job, would be hard to beat. But it's really not easy to see who that someone is.
(I am Very Very Bad Person. Not only do I wear a lanyard, I tell students to wear theirs. Come the revolution, I'm due up against the wall in about week seven.)
So nobody should be making any excuses for Trump's attacks on Khan. Trump isn't attacking Khan's policies or record, he's attacking the person, and not because of who Khan is (a bland and uninteresting politician in most regards) but because of his ethnicity and religion.
https://x.com/newrepublic/status/1828776816829411681?s=46
I might meet the definition of phobia for quite a few religious denominations.
Small mercies, to those who dislike him.
1 Got rid of Cressida Dick
2 pre-covid sorted out TfLs finances
3 Pushed through ULEZ
4 Kept fares down
5 Free school meals
In essence, he's about reducing pollution and cost of living. Low profile and competent.
Its now used as a sneer by snobs who don't have to work like real people do. A sort of modern version of "Don't you know who I am?"
'I'm not X, I have X friends' is, to be sure, a cliched dodge, but it's also not impossible to be true.
(The nearest I've been to a terrorist attack was being woken up in 1992 by the sound of a bomb exploding that had been set by Catholic terrorists.)
That's like when people said Defund the Police didn't have to mean literally defunding the police, which if so made it very silly as a slogan.
The real irony is that many of the lanyard class would have been, until really quite recently, a core Conservative demographic. Partly because of doing the sort of jobs where security matters, but also the whole civil order thing. For various reasons, eroded to virtually nothing.
I hate the damn things* - I wore one in my first 'proper' job in civil service, then didn't need one as a student, then in subsequent jobs I've been issued with an access/ID card and lanyard, but have simply kept the card in my wallet (they're all RFID or similar) and opted not to wear it. No one has objected.
*lanyards, not the people - it's aimed at civil service and academia, I guess, but they must be common in all kinds of office
Of course, the public can be similarly definitive - even accounting for potentially large shifts in an area, the sorts of places that would never now vote Tory/Labour, which have examples of doing just that, are quite stark at times.
Aren't you supposed to be a scientist? Isn't science pattern recognition. Are you so far gone that you've turned off your ability to see obvious patterns for fear of being seen as racist? I mean that's really what this boils down to. You don't want to be seen as racist, it's a common white liberal affliction. We've literally had CSE scandals across the country from that sentiment and yet here you are walking that same well trod path to failure.
At a time with the most disgusting cesspit administration who lecture us about freedom of speech and then bring in new rules that if Europe replicated against the USA would be met with absolute furore there .
We’ve reached almost North Korean levels of one must not insult the Dear Leader .
(Memories of a short story we had read to us at junior school. Kid arrives at a school for their first day, causes utter chaos... 'sorry, I didn't know, I've just moved here...' When the headmaster finally catches up with them at the end of the day, the punchline is 'yes, I've just moved here, and I start at my actual school next week'.)
With a headline that is hilarious as most think it’s a turd that should have been flushed away .
The DE proclaims .
“They Cannot Be Trusted With Brexit “.
I'm not sure what might be the best replacement, but I am sure phobia is presently a poor label, and not one which has lost its initial meaning.
The rest of your comments speak for themselves.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrdxzx2e1jo
Where are the new Tory voters to come from? It isn't obvious.