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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,965

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    That thought seemed to give you very little comfort when you were forced to queue with some of them to have your passport checked due to Brexit.
    Just passing through.

    What a fuckin' ludicrous comment. The issue is not the pros and cons of the cosmopolitan people one rubs shoulders with in the also-rans queue but the reality that there was no queue through the Schengen/ EU gate.

    #Brexitidiots
    We should join Schengen while remaining outside the EU.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    That thought seemed to give you very little comfort when you were forced to queue with some of them to have your passport checked due to Brexit.
    I spent some time with the head of border security at Frankfurt airport today. He was spitting about the new system they have introduced and blaming it thoroughly and completely on the European Commission…

    FWIW
    They’re still stamping passports at Hamburg - I thought the electronic system was supposed to be up and running now?
    They are rolling it out airport by airport.

    When I went through Spain they took my data but forgot to save it… which created a duplicate file to confuse the Germans.

    (It was a 3 hour wait to get *out* of Germany today… that was for everyone)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,955
    edited December 10
    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,333

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,965
    Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    I failed a French oral exam with Miss Pronunciation.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,169
    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Overbeating?

    Miss Whippy of St Pancras.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,319

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    Some extremely beautiful people hail from Somalia. Iman Bowie was just one. There have been several wonderful Somalian models.
    That thought seemed to give you very little comfort when you were forced to queue with some of them to have your passport checked due to Brexit.
    Just passing through.

    What a fuckin' ludicrous comment. The issue is not the pros and cons of the cosmopolitan people one rubs shoulders with in the also-rans queue but the reality that there was no queue through the Schengen/ EU gate.

    #Brexitidiots
    Good to see you back 🫡
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,319

    Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    Mister Shot, surely?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063

    Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    Mister Shot, surely?
    We were shooting ford escorts with bazookas…
  • Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    "Toilet Talk" by R Swipe.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,197
    edited December 10
    Jesus invited prostitutes to dine with him and he's seen as the light of the world.

    When I do it I'm 'a perv who is making the staff Christmas party awkward.'
  • Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    This is an actual, an RS teacher i knew (its what they call RE these days), had her three initials spell out the name of a religion and because the lessons are named using the initials of the teacher, it is mildly amusing to see it as "XYZ" RS yr 9
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063
    edited December 10

    Jesus invited prostitutes to dine with him and he's seen as the light of the world.

    When I do it I'm 'a perv who is making the staff Christmas party awkward.'

    He didn’t invite them to eat out?

    (When I was a wee bairn my employer thought it would be a good idea to invite a bus load of blonde Essex girls to the Christmas party. Each of whom had a little ribbon pinned to their breast so they were easily recognisable. The Sunday Times loved that story)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,965
    Sex education classes with Miss Onary-Position
  • Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    I failed a French oral exam with Miss Pronunciation.
    I still smirk when I read French Oral.. That inner 14yr old boy.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,333

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Ok. Yes I thought you'd on reflection feel you'd overerupted there.

    Good call on staying mum about DT btw. We don't want you posting from Alcatraz.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    One thing in, what, 10 years? And my taxes have gone up by the maximum he can each year, while the TfL service gets worse and their losses increase. He’s a useless bureaucrat
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,319
    Chemistry with Al K. Hall

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,063
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Ok. Yes I thought you'd on reflection feel you'd overerupted there.

    Good call on staying mum about DT btw. We don't want you posting from Alcatraz.
    CBP are nice to me.
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 375
    edited December 10

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,043

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Sorry Matt but this is just the Daily Star's Liz Truss lettuce joke rehashed.
    The great Matt is keeping going, but the sustained cheerlessness of the current affairs climate is beginning to tell on him, as it is on the rest of us. Still occasionally does the sheer genius thing of hitting a target that not only would we miss but we couldn't even see until he saw it (11 Oct for example)


    https://x.com/MattCartoonist/status/1977031657225097558


    Happy days long ago when a captionless Matt pictured gendarmes chasing women wearing burkas on a French nudist beach. (His captions have got slightly longer, and so slightly more flabby.)

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,384

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    Clearly you have Catholic views.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,484

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
    You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,146

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Of course he is bland. He is a Muslim and a person of colour and the only way he can get elected is to be as inoffensive as possible. Some people are allowed to be colourful characters (eg posh white men)and some people aren't. Even in inoffensive form he still faces daily death threats and has extensive police protection, which presumably further hinders any efforts at sponteneity.
    Bollocks.

    He is a bland, B roll politician.

    That’s who he is.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,608
    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    They in A&E now then.
    You're such a charmer.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,608

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,285

    Roger said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telegraph polling average

    Ref 29.4%
    Con 18.4%
    Lab 18.2%
    Grn 15.5%
    LD 12.7%

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/when-next-election-will-reform-win/

    Do you know which weeks they have used. I'm struggling to find a period of time which matches their figures.

    As it's the Telegraph the figures have probably been produced by some Oxbridge arts grad who can't do averages so had a guess.
    You are FOS
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,484

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    One thing in, what, 10 years? And my taxes have gone up by the maximum he can each year, while the TfL service gets worse and their losses increase. He’s a useless bureaucrat
    He built the Silvertown crossing, how much money did Johnson waste on his pointless Garden Bridge?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,285

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Nasty piece of work.. totally untrustworthy, oblivious to ethnic rape gangs even though he knows its true. About as duplicitious a person you would ever wish not to meet.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,608
    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
    Here you go:



    The tuna ($14) cost as much as all the other ingredients combined. But it was worth it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,608
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
    Here you go:



    The tuna ($14) cost as much as all the other ingredients combined. But it was worth it.
    Especially as I was cooking and took cook's privlege to avail myself of a fair amount of it before it even made it onto the serving plate.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,789
    edited December 10

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
    You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
    Some people absolutely hate the idea of a government regulation actually working and having a positive impact. We're already seeing it with renewables - that the transition and all the good that is coming out of that would have happened anyway without meddling woke green-types. We also see it with road safety - claims that the number of fatalities would have fallen anyway without speed limits, EU regulations etc etc

    It's not something to be overly worried about tbh - it's a sign that the argument has been won. ULEZ is a good example of a regulation that was announced early (Johnson, 2015), giving time for people to adjust, and a politician putting up with extreme levels of vitriol and criminality to cement the change in place (Khan, 2020). Good work from everyone.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,384

    Sex education classes with Miss Onary-Position

    Miss Sian Reposition did it better.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,484
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
    He built an entirely new Thames crossing!
  • Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    This is an actual, an RS teacher i knew (its what they call RE these days), had her three initials spell out the name of a religion and because the lessons are named using the initials of the teacher, it is mildly amusing to see it as "XYZ" RS yr 9
    What? How is XYZ the name of a religion?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,319

    Roger said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telegraph polling average

    Ref 29.4%
    Con 18.4%
    Lab 18.2%
    Grn 15.5%
    LD 12.7%

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/when-next-election-will-reform-win/

    Do you know which weeks they have used. I'm struggling to find a period of time which matches their figures.

    As it's the Telegraph the figures have probably been produced by some Oxbridge arts grad who can't do averages so had a guess.
    You are FOS
    Bit harsh. You been on the sauce?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,991
    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
    You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
    Some people absolutely hate the idea of a government regulation actually working and having a positive impact. We're already seeing it with renewables - that the transition and all the good that is coming out of that would have happened anyway without meddling woke green-types. We also see it with road safety - claims that the number of fatalities would have fallen anyway without speed limits, EU regulations etc etc

    It's not something to be overly worried about tbh - it's a sign that the argument has been won. ULEZ is a good example of a regulation that was announced early (Johnson, 2015), giving time for people to adjust, and a politician putting up with extreme levels of vitriol and criminality to cement the change in place (Khan, 2020). Good work from everyone.
    Even Private Eye is being extremely positive about ULEZ.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,608

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
    He built an entirely new Thames crossing!
    Sure he did.

    Have you actually seen this so called "crossing"?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,991
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
    He built an entirely new Thames crossing!
    Sure he did.

    Have you actually seen this so called "crossing"?
    It's a tunnel, which explains the difficulty. But you can sort of see it at the ends. Like here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvertown_Tunnel#/media/File:Silvertown_Tunnel_from_Cable_Car,_July_2025.jpg
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,484
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
    He built an entirely new Thames crossing!
    Sure he did.

    Have you actually seen this so called "crossing"?
    I've driven through it.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,684

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Yet he's won three times against the Conservatives (not to mention LDs, Greens et al) so he must have something going for him.

    To be fair, a lot of people were vitriolic in their contempt for both Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair and they both won three elections as well.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,621
    edited December 10

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,319
    ydoethur said:

    Sex education classes with Miss Onary-Position

    Miss Sian Reposition did it better.
    Was she a colleague of Virginia Nomoore?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,991
    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    The OP regference says 'To be described as milk chocolate in the UK a product needs to have at least 20% cocoa solids and 20% milk solids' - not exactly a high bar. The elevenses equivalent of the Great British Banger.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,169
    Tod Maffin (Canadian) on why inherited kings are better than privatised ones:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5L7Jf4bG5uY
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,384
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sex education classes with Miss Onary-Position

    Miss Sian Reposition did it better.
    Was she a colleague of Virginia Nomoore?
    She was closer to Austin Power's friend Alotta Fagina.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,621
    edited December 10
    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    I've made pasta with similar sauce, but I think would work really well with potatoes. Great tip.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,955
    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    Was a fan until they cancelled Fruit Club. See also Dark Chocolate Bounty, Tootie Frooties, Fruit polos, Cadbury Fuse et al.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,472
    edited December 10
    MattW said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Ukrainian maritime drones have hit another Russian shadow fleet tanker, Dashan, under the flag of the Comoros, in the Black Sea.

    #explodey

    good news
    They are getting some blowback from Turkey on these.
    It is probably the Brussels sprouts.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,838

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    I am not entirely sure that he has got his head around asylum as a concept. Not many people are fleeing Norway, Sweden or Denmark in fear of their lives. If we could only find a way to monetize it for him I sure he would be fine.
    Asylum as a universal right is unsustainable in a world of easy global travel. For a long time it was mainly reserved for relatively high-profile dissidents - people like Edward Snowden or Alexei Navalny - and if that were still the case, nobody would be complaining.

    Any large scale migration of people has to be subject to political and democratic control so there is accountablity. Make it discretionary rather than a universal right and it solves the problem. The way we managed Ukrainian refugees should be used as the model for the entire system going forwards.
    Spot on. Pragmatic and common sense.

    The rest is liberal ideology which, unchecked, actually risks the rise of the far Right.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,472
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
    You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
    Some people absolutely hate the idea of a government regulation actually working and having a positive impact. We're already seeing it with renewables - that the transition and all the good that is coming out of that would have happened anyway without meddling woke green-types. We also see it with road safety - claims that the number of fatalities would have fallen anyway without speed limits, EU regulations etc etc

    It's not something to be overly worried about tbh - it's a sign that the argument has been won. ULEZ is a good example of a regulation that was announced early (Johnson, 2015), giving time for people to adjust, and a politician putting up with extreme levels of vitriol and criminality to cement the change in place (Khan, 2020). Good work from everyone.
    Even Private Eye is being extremely positive about ULEZ.
    Oh, well if Private Eye are positive.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,608
    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
    He built an entirely new Thames crossing!
    Sure he did.

    Have you actually seen this so called "crossing"?
    It's a tunnel, which explains the difficulty. But you can sort of see it at the ends. Like here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvertown_Tunnel#/media/File:Silvertown_Tunnel_from_Cable_Car,_July_2025.jpg
    With all due respect, that's a very suspicious angle. Notice how we can't see into the 'tunnel'.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,955
    A publisher emails to let me know I will be getting a payout from Anthropic for training its model on my books without asking. First useful thing AI has done for me. I wonder, will it be more than a pound or less? Hope I get it before they go bust.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,039
    Taz said:

    System said:

    I beg your pardons – politicalbetting.com

    NEW Economist/YouGov Dec 5-8: Presidential pardons% who think President Trump gives out too many | too few pardonsU.S. adult citizens 58% | 4%Democrats 88% | 2%Independents 61% | 2%Republicans 23% | 7%today.yougov.com/politics/art…

    Read the full story here

    I heard that, pardon.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Didn't_Know_You_Cared
  • Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    This is an actual, an RS teacher i knew (its what they call RE these days), had her three initials spell out the name of a religion and because the lessons are named using the initials of the teacher, it is mildly amusing to see it as "XYZ" RS yr 9
    I assume not actually XYZ?

    TLAs give a whole new field to play with. Does it work with PHSE too?

    Drug Awareness with XTZ.
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
    Here you go:



    The tuna ($14) cost as much as all the other ingredients combined. But it was worth it.
    Especially as I was cooking and took cook's privlege to avail myself of a fair amount of it before it even made it onto the serving plate.
    I was going to ask what happened to the rest of it. Take out the garlic and it's fish and chips spuds.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,285

    Roger said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Telegraph polling average

    Ref 29.4%
    Con 18.4%
    Lab 18.2%
    Grn 15.5%
    LD 12.7%

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/when-next-election-will-reform-win/

    Do you know which weeks they have used. I'm struggling to find a period of time which matches their figures.

    As it's the Telegraph the figures have probably been produced by some Oxbridge arts grad who can't do averages so had a guess.
    You are FOS
    Bit harsh. You been on the sauce?
    Nope
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,100
    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    We have Club biscuits in our office. Someone must still make them
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,070

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    One thing in, what, 10 years? And my taxes have gone up by the maximum he can each year, while the TfL service gets worse and their losses increase. He’s a useless bureaucrat
    What taxes has he raised?

    I assume you aren't talking about income tax a nd council tax
  • carnforth said:

    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    Was a fan until they cancelled Fruit Club. See also Dark Chocolate Bounty, Tootie Frooties, Fruit polos, Cadbury Fuse et al.
    And Topic. Yesterday on pb it was reported the price of cocoa had shot up following bad harvests in West Africa, although there is better news for next year's chocolate. Ah, here we are:-

    Chocolate prices jump by a fifth in run-up to Christmas
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/09/chocolate-prices-jump-by-a-fifth-in-run-up-to-christmas/ (£££)
  • TresTres Posts: 3,276
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
    He built an entirely new Thames crossing!
    Sure he did.

    Have you actually seen this so called "crossing"?
    was actually speaking to someone last night about this, mentioned that even though he is a Green voter he thought having a bus lane through the tunnel was a bit ridiculous
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,838
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
    Khan does fuck all about fuck all.

    He simply inhabits the role, virtues-signals, takes the credit for stuff he's done nothing about and passes the buck for things he's also had nothing to do with.

    So yeah, I guess mediocrity is a generous way of putting it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,384

    Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    This is an actual, an RS teacher i knew (its what they call RE these days), had her three initials spell out the name of a religion and because the lessons are named using the initials of the teacher, it is mildly amusing to see it as "XYZ" RS yr 9
    I assume not actually XYZ?

    TLAs give a whole new field to play with. Does it work with PHSE too?

    Drug Awareness with XTZ.
    The lessons with Fatima U. Khan were quite stimulating.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,621
    edited December 10
    DougSeal said:

    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    We have Club biscuits in our office. Someone must still make them
    I think they relaunched as McVities Club and it's a different biscuit?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,384
    DougSeal said:

    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    We have Club biscuits in our office. Someone must still make them
    McVities.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,899
    From Somali pirates to Smelly pirates.
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 375
    edited December 10
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
    You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
    Some people absolutely hate the idea of a government regulation actually working and having a positive impact. We're already seeing it with renewables - that the transition and all the good that is coming out of that would have happened anyway without meddling woke green-types. We also see it with road safety - claims that the number of fatalities would have fallen anyway without speed limits, EU regulations etc etc

    It's not something to be overly worried about tbh - it's a sign that the argument has been won. ULEZ is a good example of a regulation that was announced early (Johnson, 2015), giving time for people to adjust, and a politician putting up with extreme levels of vitriol and criminality to cement the change in place (Khan, 2020). Good work from everyone.
    Even Private Eye is being extremely positive about ULEZ.
    Here is an image host of a graph of the various air pollutants in london over time:
    https://ibb.co/pr34v718
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,955
    edited December 10
    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    We have Club biscuits in our office. Someone must still make them
    I think they relaunched as McVities Club and it's a different biscuit?
    Seems Club plain is gone too. Now just mint, orange and the new salted caramel. I suppose flavouring the chocolate with mint or orange means it can be very low quality.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 33,472

    MattW said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Ukrainian maritime drones have hit another Russian shadow fleet tanker, Dashan, under the flag of the Comoros, in the Black Sea.

    #explodey

    good news
    They are getting some blowback from Turkey on these.
    It is probably the Brussels sprouts.
    This was a very funny post, cruelly unacknowledged in its lifetime, but sure to be wondered at decades hence.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,384
    Tres said:

    Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London

    The most prominent of them lives in Washington.

    Which he's described as a crime ridden hellhole that needs loads of National Guards from red states to keep order.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,100
    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    We have Club biscuits in our office. Someone must still make them
    I think they relaunched as McVities Club and it's a different biscuit?
    Ah! Haven’t looked too closely TBH. Makes sense.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,319
    DougSeal said:

    FF43 said:

    Toffee Crisp and Blue Riband can't be called chocolate any more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79x7q325p3o

    Seems almost vaguely dystopian, somehow. But I suppose for that Winston Smith would have to remember a time when the chocolate ration was 30g per person but it was increased to chocolate-flavoured ration of 35g.

    A surprisingly interesting programme about the battle between Penguin and Jacob's Club biscuit in the 1990s. Penguin had the "P-P-P-Pick up a Penguin" ad campaign, so Club went with "If you like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our Club". Which was fine until the price of cocoa shot up and they had to switch to chocolate flavoured coating. Effective end of Club biscuits and they sold the company.

    https://youtu.be/BJl7ENupVdU?si=549Re1QE-PEOTJEb
    We have Club biscuits in our office. Someone must still make them
    Seals need to steer clear of clubs.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,230
    Marco Foster
    @MarcoFoster_
    ·
    2h
    James Carville on Donald Trump: “He’s done. We’ve just got to butter this toast and slice it and eat it. He’s done. It’s over. You’re a loser dude. You’re losing everywhere and you’re gonna lose more because you my friend are a loser.”

    https://x.com/MarcoFoster_/status/1998821761584935112
  • ydoethur said:

    Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    This is an actual, an RS teacher i knew (its what they call RE these days), had her three initials spell out the name of a religion and because the lessons are named using the initials of the teacher, it is mildly amusing to see it as "XYZ" RS yr 9
    I assume not actually XYZ?

    TLAs give a whole new field to play with. Does it work with PHSE too?

    Drug Awareness with XTZ.
    The lessons with Fatima U. Khan were quite stimulating.
    Sarah E. Xavier is able to raise attendance in her lessons.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    He is incredibly bland.

    Central casting for the role of “London Mayor” with one line in the movie.

    Hating him is like hating a stack of printer paper.
    Well, I must admit, I find it difficult to think of anything (positive or negative) to say about Khan because he is (as you say) incredibly bland.

    I mean, what's he done? I can think of no big projects, no significant improvements to infrastucture that he can lay claim too. On the other hand, London has definitely improved since the post-Covid lows: in the last six months, the area around my apartment in Covent Garden has been cleaned up enornmously (which I appreciate it). But then again, it was under his watch in the previous five years that it got a lot worse.

    Not everything is his fault, of course. A lot of the problems with endemic petty crime are because of the cuts to the criminal justice system during the coalition years that we're all paying for.

    I'd rate him a 4/10. But I don't think the words "horrible", "vicious" or "disgusting" are in any way appropriate for what is -at heart- nothing more than unbridled mediocrity.
    Have forgotten the time Sadiq Khan forced out Cressida Dick?

    If I were editing PB that night I would have used the headline 'Sadiq Khan gets Dick out!'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-60340525

  • rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
    Here you go:



    The tuna ($14) cost as much as all the other ingredients combined. But it was worth it.
    Isn't there some rule on PB about the number of pictures you are allowed to post?

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,991

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
    You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
    Some people absolutely hate the idea of a government regulation actually working and having a positive impact. We're already seeing it with renewables - that the transition and all the good that is coming out of that would have happened anyway without meddling woke green-types. We also see it with road safety - claims that the number of fatalities would have fallen anyway without speed limits, EU regulations etc etc

    It's not something to be overly worried about tbh - it's a sign that the argument has been won. ULEZ is a good example of a regulation that was announced early (Johnson, 2015), giving time for people to adjust, and a politician putting up with extreme levels of vitriol and criminality to cement the change in place (Khan, 2020). Good work from everyone.
    Even Private Eye is being extremely positive about ULEZ.
    Here is an image host of a graph of the various air pollutants in london over time:
    https://ibb.co/pr34v718
    No source given. And suspiciously recent.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,478

    Nigelb said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    It's not there yet, since there's now significant pushback, and Trump is more unpopular than he has even been.

    And madder.

    Trump: I said, why is it we only take people from shithole countries, right? Why can’t we have people from Norway, Sweden, Denmark? But we always take people from Somalia — places that are filthy, dirty, and disgusting.
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/1998569434298855662
    Somethings are so objectively true that they are unsayable in polite company.
    US immigration by country, 2025, figures are at https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-immigration-by-country

    Norway + Sweden + Denmark 1560
    Somalia 1230

    So the US already takes more people from Norway, Sweden and Denmark than from Somalia. Countries that the US has more immigrants from than Somalia include the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Russia, Spain and Ireland. Trump's complaint is factually wrong.

    As for the rest of your post, stop being so racist.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,384

    ydoethur said:

    Stereodog said:

    .

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    The sale of pardons is of course an impeachable offence, but as Congress has proven it's incapable of holding the President in check by such means, it would likely be somewhat more effective to remove the unconditional power.

    The US government is now operating much like the Russian government. Laws no long matter for the people at the top as nobody will enforce them, where the law is invoked it is frequently arbitrary and merely follows the wishes of the leadership, everything (laws, permits, regulation, citizenship) is in effect for sale, the inner circle gets rich from very obvious corruption, the whole country is being plundered, and the people are told it's all for their safety and that they are going to become wealthier as a result even as they wonder why nothing much improves.
    And following the precedent proudly set in 2018 for fascistic regimes representing a threat to democracy, they will be hosting the World Cup.
    Fifa have also set it up so that the US will inevitably host it in 2038 as well.
    And let's not forget the Olympics. Hopefully a Somalian superstar will come along and win the 100m, 200m and long jump.
    The Aussies have a 17yo sprinter beating Usain Bolts records who is the son of Sudanese refugees. Possibly the favourite for 2028 sprints, and has a crazy name. Gout Gout.
    Ah yes. Him. Well there we are - there's our Jesse Owens. Go Go Gout Gout!
    What's the opposite of nominative determinism?
    I will just check with my ex English teacher, Miss Nomer.
    Probably a better person to ask than my ex Maths teacher, Miss Take.
    Let's not even get started on RE teacher Miss Conceived.
    I thought her lessons were immaculate.
    I always preferred my Geography teacher Miss Placed
    The Music Teacher Miss Heard...
    The shooting master: Mr R Tillery?
    This is an actual, an RS teacher i knew (its what they call RE these days), had her three initials spell out the name of a religion and because the lessons are named using the initials of the teacher, it is mildly amusing to see it as "XYZ" RS yr 9
    I assume not actually XYZ?

    TLAs give a whole new field to play with. Does it work with PHSE too?

    Drug Awareness with XTZ.
    The lessons with Fatima U. Khan were quite stimulating.
    Sarah E. Xavier is able to raise attendance in her lessons.
    By contrast, Mr Fred Luke Owen Pearce's lessons were not hard.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,955

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
    Here you go:



    The tuna ($14) cost as much as all the other ingredients combined. But it was worth it.
    Isn't there some rule on PB about the number of pictures you are allowed to post?

    Also, this is basically posting porn.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,608

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
    Here you go:



    The tuna ($14) cost as much as all the other ingredients combined. But it was worth it.
    Isn't there some rule on PB about the number of pictures you are allowed to post?

    Sure.

    But there's also the golden rule.

    He who pays the gold (server bills), makes the rules.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,478
    stodge said:

    Late afternoon all :)

    The general economic malaise reported by some on here has even reached the reselling market with one of Mrs Stodge's friends calling it "much quieter" than the past couple of years.

    Again, only anecdotal evidence but I suspect it's going to be another poor Christmas for retailers as well.

    It's probably worth remembering Khan leads Trump 3-2 in elections won (so far).

    I think Khan won elections 6 times as a councillor and then MP before becoming Mayor, so that's put him at 9-2 versus Trump.
  • MattW said:

    malcolmg said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Ukrainian maritime drones have hit another Russian shadow fleet tanker, Dashan, under the flag of the Comoros, in the Black Sea.

    #explodey

    good news
    They are getting some blowback from Turkey on these.
    It is probably the Brussels sprouts.
    This was a very funny post, cruelly unacknowledged in its lifetime, but sure to be wondered at decades hence.
    I liked it Lucky.

    We are both ahead of our time.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,285
    edited December 10
    Tres said:

    Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London

    I don't but I did.
    It started to be a shithole under Boris and Khan has made it infinitely worse for Londoners.
    I never go.to London(inner) if I can avoid it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,955
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
    Here you go:



    The tuna ($14) cost as much as all the other ingredients combined. But it was worth it.
    Isn't there some rule on PB about the number of pictures you are allowed to post?

    Sure.

    But there's also the golden rule.

    He who pays the gold (server bills), makes the rules.
    Is serving static images still expensive these days? Or is it Vanilla overcharging?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,244

    Marco Foster
    @MarcoFoster_
    ·
    2h
    James Carville on Donald Trump: “He’s done. We’ve just got to butter this toast and slice it and eat it. He’s done. It’s over. You’re a loser dude. You’re losing everywhere and you’re gonna lose more because you my friend are a loser.”

    https://x.com/MarcoFoster_/status/1998821761584935112

    Many thought he was finished after 6 January 2021 (perhaps myself included). So I wouldn't write him off too easily. And even if he isn't so popular at the ballot box he might not be beyond finding ways to get the results he needs.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,333
    Tres said:

    Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London

    Perhaps if he got stuck halfway up a tripwire Tories would warm to him.
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    No. It’s not. I despise Khan. I think he’s useless and incompetent and a horrible mayor.

    But he’s not vicious or disgusting, words which speak to him as a person rather than his performance as an elected official
    If you "despise" Sadiq Khan what word would you reach for to sum up your feelings about Donald Trump?
    I’m flying to the US next week so I might plead the 5th.

    (“Despise” may be a little strong but he’s redolent of a political class that is self interested, careerist and ineffective. We deserve better leaders. Unfortunately the voters don’t like people who tell them the truth.)
    Khan took a brave stance on clean air - the ULEZ extension was unpopular and he faced concerted opposition but he did it because he thought it was the right thing and it has worked - the air in London now meets international health standards. I can't think of another recent UK politician who has taken that kind of brave, non-populist stance. Call him what you want, but he is neither ineffective nor some kind of shallow careerist.
    The recent air quality improvements in London are more to do with the euro 6 engine, and, thats about it. Its the cleanest for hundreds of years and most of that improvement happened decades ago.
    You don't think that a measure designed to incentivise the take up of cleaner engines might have played a role at all? The earlier ULEZ extension led me to sell my Euro 5 diesel and buy a Euro 6 diesel. The air quality improvement in London was significantly greater than outside London. Of course ULEZ was important. I find it staggering that people can't credit Khan for his success here.
    Some people absolutely hate the idea of a government regulation actually working and having a positive impact. We're already seeing it with renewables - that the transition and all the good that is coming out of that would have happened anyway without meddling woke green-types. We also see it with road safety - claims that the number of fatalities would have fallen anyway without speed limits, EU regulations etc etc

    It's not something to be overly worried about tbh - it's a sign that the argument has been won. ULEZ is a good example of a regulation that was announced early (Johnson, 2015), giving time for people to adjust, and a politician putting up with extreme levels of vitriol and criminality to cement the change in place (Khan, 2020). Good work from everyone.
    Even Private Eye is being extremely positive about ULEZ.
    Here is an image host of a graph of the various air pollutants in london over time:
    https://ibb.co/pr34v718
    No source given. And suspiciously recent.
    The joys of AI it can hunt out the information. But you need to have a bit of background on this kind of stuff to make sure it isnt hallucinating, and this trend tends to fit an older piece of data I have.

    https://uk-air.defra.gov.uk/assets/documents/annualreport/air_pollution_uk_2023_issue_1.pdf
    and
    https://aqicn.org/city/london/
    and
    https://www.londonair.org.uk/LondonAir/Default.aspx
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,478
    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
    Oh maaaaaaaate

    Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
    Oh maaaaaaaate

    Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
    Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
  • rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    PB cooking update: crushed new potatoes with garlic anchovy butter and tuna



    Family rating: 9/10

    Then my first ever attempt at chocolate souffle, using a Swiss meringue base. Sadly I over whipped the base, which I will learn from.



    Still everyone said it was delicious and all was eaten.

    Personal rating: 6/10

    Deets on the tuna please? You trailed it as fancy yesterday but gave no brand...
    Here you go:



    The tuna ($14) cost as much as all the other ingredients combined. But it was worth it.
    Isn't there some rule on PB about the number of pictures you are allowed to post?

    Sure.

    But there's also the golden rule.

    He who pays the gold (server bills), makes the rules.
    We need to set up a crowdfunder to pay for the server/vanilla costs and also pay for my shoe budget.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,478
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
    Oh maaaaaaaate

    Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
    It is bizarre , any non gushing opinion on a non white person and they come out of the woodwork shouting racist.
    Malc, that's bollocks. This isn't about a "non gushing opinion". It's about Trump calling Khan "horrible vicious disgusting".
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,484
    kinabalu said:

    Tres said:

    Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London

    Perhaps if he got stuck halfway up a tripwire Tories would warm to him.
    Or wasted millions of pounds on some pointless bridge that nobody wanted and never got built.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,319

    Tres said:

    Quite clear that all the people moaning about Khan dont actually live in London

    I don't but I did.
    It started to be a shithole under Boris and Khan has made it infinitely worse for Londoners.
    I never go.to London(inner) if I can avoid it.
    Thats bollocks. London is a much nicer, cleaner and safer city than it was decades ago.

    Leicester has gone downhill over the last couple of decades. The Golden Mile isn't what it was. Our Indian community is now wealthy enough to shop in Gujerat rather than the Belgrave Road. The city centre has lost a lot of anchor stores to the retail park near the motorway.
  • Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
    Oh maaaaaaaate

    Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
    Taz said:

    Ratters said:

    Nigelb said:

    About those Epstein files.

    President Trump, "In my opinion many European countries will not be viable countries any longer"

    "If you take a look at Paris, it's a much different place to what it was"

    "If you take a look at London, you have a Mayor named Khan, he's a horrible mayor. An incompetent mayor. But he's a horrible vicious disgusting mayor"

    https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1998493091230257357

    Arguably true....
    In which case can you give three examples where Sadiq has been vicious? As opposed to from a different political party.....
    Anyone attacking Khan in such terms is simply outing themselves as a racist.

    I live and work in London, and the main negative adjective I would use for him is being invisible. Not really doing anything of note. Which is obviously much better than a Mayor doing lots of harm, and not as good as a Mayor who delivers lots of positive initiatives.

    People like Trump using overly strong adjectives about Khan are saying more about themselves than him.
    Oh maaaaaaaate

    Criticising Sadiq Khan - racism 😂
    Come on, Taz, that's not what he said. It's calling Khan "vicious" and other "overly strong adjectives" that's racist.
    Pretty sure his predecessor was called comparable names though.

    Is it racism, or just petty and stupid political name-calling?

    If it were only him being called names, then yes it would be, but his predecessor was called stuff life that too and so have many other politicians. Most famous politicians get called all sorts, and much of it not very polite.
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