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Kemi’s improving ratings – politicalbetting.com

The number of Britons seeing Kemi Badenoch as a PM in waiting has increased significantly in the last monthDoes look like PM in waiting: 21% (+9 from 1-3 Nov)Does not look like PM in waiting: 53% (-10)yougov.co.uk/topics/polit…

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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,901
    edited 7:58AM
    First, like Kemi in the queue at a steakhouse
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 21,193
    I think if she's at least won over the remaining voters for her party then it increases the chance that the Tories won't lose more voters over the next year. That provides a basis from which to try to win back the voters previously lost.

    A Tory recovery was always likely to be a long process consisting of many steps. This is step one. Now we'll see if she can take step two.

    Of course the banter heuristic would see Tory MPs ditch her after the elections next spring, returning the party back to the start of the process.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,901
    Robert Jenrick needs to come up with some more ways to undermine Kemi.

    Otherwise he might as well join Reform.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682
    Ooh, a positive Kemi thread!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682
    maaarsh said:

    FPT -

    Sandpit said:

    Live facial recognition cameras planned for every town centre
    Labour proposals would allow police to compare photos of crime suspects against images of 45 million Britons in the passport database

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/04/live-facial-recognition-cameras-planned-for-every-town-cent/ (£££)

    The Telegraph's front page lead. Older PBers will remember the trial rollout in August, which is technically not all that long ago. Still, David Lammy said he wants to speed up trials.

    And it's not just the police: Other public bodies, beyond police, and private companies, such as retailers, could be allowed to use facial recognition technology under the new legal framework. But I expect there will be safeguards to stop it being misused to find runaways from domestic or sexual violence.

    End of jury trials, digital services act, facial recognition, postponement of elections, “assisted” dying, 40-week abortions…

    Is UK turning slowly into China?
    Given the new Chinese Spy centre one can only assume the facial recognition technology is being rolled out for them. Classic Keir selling the country out and not even getting any belt & road money in return.
    How can the government possibly not think that the massive new Chinese spook factory, is a massive new Chinese spook factory?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,088

    Robert Jenrick needs to come up with some more ways to undermine Kemi.

    Otherwise he might as well join Reform.

    That's the afternoon thread.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,482
    Kemi improving so that she ends up like William Hague, smashing the PM all over the place at PMQs?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,088
    maaarsh said:

    FPT -

    Sandpit said:

    Live facial recognition cameras planned for every town centre
    Labour proposals would allow police to compare photos of crime suspects against images of 45 million Britons in the passport database

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/04/live-facial-recognition-cameras-planned-for-every-town-cent/ (£££)

    The Telegraph's front page lead. Older PBers will remember the trial rollout in August, which is technically not all that long ago. Still, David Lammy said he wants to speed up trials.

    And it's not just the police: Other public bodies, beyond police, and private companies, such as retailers, could be allowed to use facial recognition technology under the new legal framework. But I expect there will be safeguards to stop it being misused to find runaways from domestic or sexual violence.

    End of jury trials, digital services act, facial recognition, postponement of elections, “assisted” dying, 40-week abortions…

    Is UK turning slowly into China?
    Given the new Chinese Spy centre one can only assume the facial recognition technology is being rolled out for them. Classic Keir selling the country out and not even getting any belt & road money in return.
    You do realise a lot of those happened under the Tories.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,206

    I think if she's at least won over the remaining voters for her party then it increases the chance that the Tories won't lose more voters over the next year. That provides a basis from which to try to win back the voters previously lost.

    A Tory recovery was always likely to be a long process consisting of many steps. This is step one. Now we'll see if she can take step two.

    Of course the banter heuristic would see Tory MPs ditch her after the elections next spring, returning the party back to the start of the process.

    Note that even with this uptick Badenoch and the Tories are less popular than their worst electoral defeat in 2 centuries, mid term against a deeply unpopular government.

    Things may be looking up, but only because they are flat on their back in a ditch!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,986

    Robert Jenrick needs to come up with some more ways to undermine Kemi.

    Otherwise he might as well join Reform.

    "Oi Bobby J, there's a queue! The other Robert got his papers in first."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,056
    Foxy said:

    I think if she's at least won over the remaining voters for her party then it increases the chance that the Tories won't lose more voters over the next year. That provides a basis from which to try to win back the voters previously lost.

    A Tory recovery was always likely to be a long process consisting of many steps. This is step one. Now we'll see if she can take step two.

    Of course the banter heuristic would see Tory MPs ditch her after the elections next spring, returning the party back to the start of the process.

    Note that even with this uptick Badenoch and the Tories are less popular than their worst electoral defeat in 2 centuries, mid term against a deeply unpopular government.

    Things may be looking up, but only because they are flat on their back in a ditch!
    Labour are in the same ditch.

    A couple of people are wondering about taking Starmer’s spade away…
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,631

    maaarsh said:

    FPT -

    Sandpit said:

    Live facial recognition cameras planned for every town centre
    Labour proposals would allow police to compare photos of crime suspects against images of 45 million Britons in the passport database

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/04/live-facial-recognition-cameras-planned-for-every-town-cent/ (£££)

    The Telegraph's front page lead. Older PBers will remember the trial rollout in August, which is technically not all that long ago. Still, David Lammy said he wants to speed up trials.

    And it's not just the police: Other public bodies, beyond police, and private companies, such as retailers, could be allowed to use facial recognition technology under the new legal framework. But I expect there will be safeguards to stop it being misused to find runaways from domestic or sexual violence.

    End of jury trials, digital services act, facial recognition, postponement of elections, “assisted” dying, 40-week abortions…

    Is UK turning slowly into China?
    Given the new Chinese Spy centre one can only assume the facial recognition technology is being rolled out for them. Classic Keir selling the country out and not even getting any belt & road money in return.
    You do realise a lot of those happened under the Tories.
    Yes I'm aware the entire legacy ruling class are awful.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,551
    Been having certificate errors on Vanilla over the past couple of days.

    I find Badenoch preposterous. The only, but nevertheless critical, thing going for her is she's better than Farage and Jenrick who would be catastrophic for the country. So long may her relative popularity continue, I guess,?
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 335
    What is it about Kemi you dislike? I've heard people say she can be lazy and tries to wing it, puffed up on her own sense of ability.

    I think the Cons were doing surprisingly well post election, until they selected Kemi, and then we had the Reform-gasm. But she seems to be improving in herself and doing what needs to be done in getting attention.

    I guess the party needs to build a narrative to itself that isnt an ape of Reform, but one that stands for sensible management of the economy and the public finances. This is a less crowded space than it used to be, and surely must be the thing that the Cons can build on.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,933
    Kemi has at least got her approval rating up to the Tories 21% or so standard rating. However the question is can she go beyond that Tory MPs will be answering to squeeze Reform voters as Jenrick might do a bit more or get tactical voters from Labour and the LDs to beat Reform as Cleverly might do a bit more
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 335

    Robert Jenrick needs to come up with some more ways to undermine Kemi.

    Otherwise he might as well join Reform.

    Is he undermining her? He is the shadow brief on law and order, and showing a bit of leg for hangers and floggers type. That is what is expected by the Opposition.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,088
    Optimist.

    This innings feels like it’s going to end with Root on 99 not out. Or possibly with him the last man out, for 99, run out coming back for a third.

    https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/1996493415606112657
  • CumberlandGapCumberlandGap Posts: 335

    Kemi improving so that she ends up like William Hague, smashing the PM all over the place at PMQs?

    Different times, and of course we can't learn from history because history is a unique set of circumstances, but it became clear to Hague that his strategy had to be stabilise the party and stop them losing even more, which he did.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,206

    Robert Jenrick needs to come up with some more ways to undermine Kemi.

    Otherwise he might as well join Reform.

    Is he undermining her? He is the shadow brief on law and order, and showing a bit of leg for hangers and floggers type. That is what is expected by the Opposition.
    Yes, but not traditionally hanging and flogging the judges!

    I think Jenrick is one of Badenochs best assets. The strongest argument for keeping her is the ghastly alternatives.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,901
    HYUFD said:

    Kemi has at least got her approval rating up to the Tories 21% or so standard rating. However the question is can she go beyond that Tory MPs will be answering to squeeze Reform voters as Jenrick might do a bit more or get tactical voters from Labour and the LDs to beat Reform as Cleverly might do a bit more

    You've got your finger on the Tory pulse HY. Do you think Kemi will still be leader this time next year?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,933

    Kemi improving so that she ends up like William Hague, smashing the PM all over the place at PMQs?

    Starmer is far less popular than Blair was then
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,088
    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,118
    HYUFD said:

    Kemi has at least got her approval rating up to the Tories 21% or so standard rating. However the question is can she go beyond that Tory MPs will be answering to squeeze Reform voters as Jenrick might do a bit more or get tactical voters from Labour and the LDs to beat Reform as Cleverly might do a bit more

    If Kemi can at least get the support of Tory supporters, it is bad news for Jenrick. Therefore it is good news for the rest of us.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,422
    Politically, I have a strong and abiding feeling of Not wanting to start from here in almost every situation that can be named.

    Good morning, everybody.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,933

    HYUFD said:

    Kemi has at least got her approval rating up to the Tories 21% or so standard rating. However the question is can she go beyond that Tory MPs will be answering to squeeze Reform voters as Jenrick might do a bit more or get tactical voters from Labour and the LDs to beat Reform as Cleverly might do a bit more

    You've got your finger on the Tory pulse HY. Do you think Kemi will still be leader this time next year?
    Depends on how the Tories do in the local and devolved elections next May
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,206

    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410

    The party of the common man. Or at least the party of the common plutocrat.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 26,781
    Foxy said:

    In response to others, and personal, here's why I support AD. My father was very active in his 80s - still tending his garden and allotment, socialising and so forth. But around 90 his body gave way. He had to leave his house, utter misery for him, and move to a care home. He was immobile and incontinent. He was as miserable as fuck. There was no prospect of recovery. But his brain was still absolutely fine. And he wanted to die, because the quality of his life was absolutely zero. He even asked us, his sons, to dispense with him. Of course we said no. So, he spent the last 2.5 years of his life, which had been absolutely splendid until then, in abject misery. For no good reason.

    That sounds awful and I am sympathetic.

    I am still opposed to the AD bill though. The safeguards against coercion by staff and/or relatives are not robust enough. A lot should be done to improve End of Life and palliative care first. This is a very valid alternative for many, and doesn't leave patients feeling coerced. I also make a distinction between assisted suicide and assisted dying, the latter requiring active medical intervention.

    Bart is being a bigger idiot than usual. Suicide rarely occurs by rational decision in clear consciousness. Very often it is an impulsive act by those with treatable mental disorders.
    Often ≠ always.

    For those with mental health issues, treatment should be available. And there should be points of contact available for that. If someone goes to a doctor to seek assistance to die, and gets signposted to get support that they need first, then that could potentially save a life over that same person feeling they have no choice but to end it on their own.

    But for those who have made a clear, rational choice then that choice should be respected. There should be a safe, humane and clean way to end their life - if that is their careful and considered choice.

    Stepping in front of a train, or jumping off a bridge, or hanging yourself at home, or cutting your wrists in the bathtub, or any of the other multitude of inhumane ways people can end their lives without assistance should NEVER be the solution.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,631
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Kemi has at least got her approval rating up to the Tories 21% or so standard rating. However the question is can she go beyond that Tory MPs will be answering to squeeze Reform voters as Jenrick might do a bit more or get tactical voters from Labour and the LDs to beat Reform as Cleverly might do a bit more

    You've got your finger on the Tory pulse HY. Do you think Kemi will still be leader this time next year?
    Depends on how the Tories do in the local and devolved elections next May
    At the current rate they'll all be cancelled so no worries there
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116

    Optimist.

    This innings feels like it’s going to end with Root on 99 not out. Or possibly with him the last man out, for 99, run out coming back for a third.

    https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/1996493415606112657

    Harry Brook is a great player, but also as daft as a brush.
  • ajbajb Posts: 170
    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    FPT -

    Sandpit said:

    Live facial recognition cameras planned for every town centre
    Labour proposals would allow police to compare photos of crime suspects against images of 45 million Britons in the passport database

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/04/live-facial-recognition-cameras-planned-for-every-town-cent/ (£££)

    The Telegraph's front page lead. Older PBers will remember the trial rollout in August, which is technically not all that long ago. Still, David Lammy said he wants to speed up trials.

    And it's not just the police: Other public bodies, beyond police, and private companies, such as retailers, could be allowed to use facial recognition technology under the new legal framework. But I expect there will be safeguards to stop it being misused to find runaways from domestic or sexual violence.

    End of jury trials, digital services act, facial recognition, postponement of elections, “assisted” dying, 40-week abortions…

    Is UK turning slowly into China?
    Given the new Chinese Spy centre one can only assume the facial recognition technology is being rolled out for them. Classic Keir selling the country out and not even getting any belt & road money in return.
    You do realise a lot of those happened under the Tories.
    Yes I'm aware the entire legacy ruling class are awful.
    It's quite depressing how awful all the main contenders are. If nothing changes, the next election will be the "Faith, Hope, and Charity" election - we get to choose between the party of No Faith, the party of No Hope, and the party of No Charity.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,807

    HYUFD said:

    Kemi has at least got her approval rating up to the Tories 21% or so standard rating. However the question is can she go beyond that Tory MPs will be answering to squeeze Reform voters as Jenrick might do a bit more or get tactical voters from Labour and the LDs to beat Reform as Cleverly might do a bit more

    You've got your finger on the Tory pulse HY. Do you think Kemi will still be leader this time next year?
    The most surprising thing, backed up by this recent polling, is that there is a pulse!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,981
    edited 8:49AM

    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410

    Tice on R4 this am working hard on his second biggest rsole in British politics title. Those folk making claims about Farage's Hitlerjugend act at school are liars and socialists apparently. I hope Mr Harborne was satisfied.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,390
    ajb said:

    maaarsh said:

    maaarsh said:

    FPT -

    Sandpit said:

    Live facial recognition cameras planned for every town centre
    Labour proposals would allow police to compare photos of crime suspects against images of 45 million Britons in the passport database

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/04/live-facial-recognition-cameras-planned-for-every-town-cent/ (£££)

    The Telegraph's front page lead. Older PBers will remember the trial rollout in August, which is technically not all that long ago. Still, David Lammy said he wants to speed up trials.

    And it's not just the police: Other public bodies, beyond police, and private companies, such as retailers, could be allowed to use facial recognition technology under the new legal framework. But I expect there will be safeguards to stop it being misused to find runaways from domestic or sexual violence.

    End of jury trials, digital services act, facial recognition, postponement of elections, “assisted” dying, 40-week abortions…

    Is UK turning slowly into China?
    Given the new Chinese Spy centre one can only assume the facial recognition technology is being rolled out for them. Classic Keir selling the country out and not even getting any belt & road money in return.
    You do realise a lot of those happened under the Tories.
    Yes I'm aware the entire legacy ruling class are awful.
    It's quite depressing how awful all the main contenders are. If nothing changes, the next election will be the "Faith, Hope, and Charity" election - we get to choose between the party of No Faith, the party of No Hope, and the party of No Charity.
    But what about the LibDems?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,088
    Nigelb said:

    Optimist.

    This innings feels like it’s going to end with Root on 99 not out. Or possibly with him the last man out, for 99, run out coming back for a third.

    https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/1996493415606112657

    Harry Brook is a great player, but also as daft as a brush.
    I cannot find the tweet now but I liked this comment

    ‘The best thing you can say about Harry Brook’s dismissal is that he was wearing a helmet.’
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116

    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410

    On brand as the UK version of MAGA.
    We really ought to have some sort of limits on party funding, or we'll go the way of the US. The wealthy already have disproportionate influence; there should be a limit on just how far that extends.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116
    Welcome to this morning's piece of institutionalised sycophancy.

    This morning, the State Department renamed the former Institute of Peace to reflect the greatest dealmaker in our nation's history.

    Welcome to the Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace. The best is yet to come.

    https://x.com/StateDept/status/1996368099160080884
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,260
    There, told you Crawley would come through in this one. Good job he did too. It was looking rocky.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,992
    edited 9:01AM

    I think if she's at least won over the remaining voters for her party then it increases the chance that the Tories won't lose more voters over the next year. That provides a basis from which to try to win back the voters previously lost.

    A Tory recovery was always likely to be a long process consisting of many steps. This is step one. Now we'll see if she can take step two.

    Of course the banter heuristic would see Tory MPs ditch her after the elections next spring, returning the party back to the start of the process.

    The probability is that critical steps in Tory fortunes cannot be assessed until a lot later in the cycle. On current form by 2029 election day the majority of people who could vote Tory will ask themselves, consciously or unconsciously, questions. 'Can the Tories form a government on their own, would the Tories be part of/support a Reform government, would the Tories be part of an anti-Reform alliance, are they clear where they stand on all this or are they split internally'.

    Much depends on the answers. It won't become obvious how important it is to people who don't follow this stuff until nearer the time.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,207

    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410

    Tice on R4 this am working hard on his second biggest rsole in British politics title. Those folk making claims about Farage's Hitlerjugend act at school are liars and socialists apparently. I hope Mr Harborne was satisfied.
    Sadly, he probably is.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,059
    FF43 said:

    Been having certificate errors on Vanilla over the past couple of days.

    You should tag @rcs1000 re certificate errors, perhaps with more details, like when and where and how and what.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682
    That’s been two good sessions from England, after a very wobbly first half dozen overs. Well recovered, at least we’re going to see more normal scores here than in the 1st Test.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 68,437

    Foxy said:

    In response to others, and personal, here's why I support AD. My father was very active in his 80s - still tending his garden and allotment, socialising and so forth. But around 90 his body gave way. He had to leave his house, utter misery for him, and move to a care home. He was immobile and incontinent. He was as miserable as fuck. There was no prospect of recovery. But his brain was still absolutely fine. And he wanted to die, because the quality of his life was absolutely zero. He even asked us, his sons, to dispense with him. Of course we said no. So, he spent the last 2.5 years of his life, which had been absolutely splendid until then, in abject misery. For no good reason.

    That sounds awful and I am sympathetic.

    I am still opposed to the AD bill though. The safeguards against coercion by staff and/or relatives are not robust enough. A lot should be done to improve End of Life and palliative care first. This is a very valid alternative for many, and doesn't leave patients feeling coerced. I also make a distinction between assisted suicide and assisted dying, the latter requiring active medical intervention.

    Bart is being a bigger idiot than usual. Suicide rarely occurs by rational decision in clear consciousness. Very often it is an impulsive act by those with treatable mental disorders.
    Often ≠ always.

    For those with mental health issues, treatment should be available. And there should be points of contact available for that. If someone goes to a doctor to seek assistance to die, and gets signposted to get support that they need first, then that could potentially save a life over that same person feeling they have no choice but to end it on their own.

    But for those who have made a clear, rational choice then that choice should be respected. There should be a safe, humane and clean way to end their life - if that is their careful and considered choice.

    Stepping in front of a train, or jumping off a bridge, or hanging yourself at home, or cutting your wrists in the bathtub, or any of the other multitude of inhumane ways people can end their lives without assistance should NEVER be the solution.
    With respect your comments in your last paragraph would not be reduced with AD as most are due to mental health issues and not pre planned

    Indeed many of those saved by the rescue services regret their action
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682

    Foxy said:

    In response to others, and personal, here's why I support AD. My father was very active in his 80s - still tending his garden and allotment, socialising and so forth. But around 90 his body gave way. He had to leave his house, utter misery for him, and move to a care home. He was immobile and incontinent. He was as miserable as fuck. There was no prospect of recovery. But his brain was still absolutely fine. And he wanted to die, because the quality of his life was absolutely zero. He even asked us, his sons, to dispense with him. Of course we said no. So, he spent the last 2.5 years of his life, which had been absolutely splendid until then, in abject misery. For no good reason.

    That sounds awful and I am sympathetic.

    I am still opposed to the AD bill though. The safeguards against coercion by staff and/or relatives are not robust enough. A lot should be done to improve End of Life and palliative care first. This is a very valid alternative for many, and doesn't leave patients feeling coerced. I also make a distinction between assisted suicide and assisted dying, the latter requiring active medical intervention.

    Bart is being a bigger idiot than usual. Suicide rarely occurs by rational decision in clear consciousness. Very often it is an impulsive act by those with treatable mental disorders.
    Often ≠ always.

    For those with mental health issues, treatment should be available. And there should be points of contact available for that. If someone goes to a doctor to seek assistance to die, and gets signposted to get support that they need first, then that could potentially save a life over that same person feeling they have no choice but to end it on their own.

    But for those who have made a clear, rational choice then that choice should be respected. There should be a safe, humane and clean way to end their life - if that is their careful and considered choice.

    Stepping in front of a train, or jumping off a bridge, or hanging yourself at home, or cutting your wrists in the bathtub, or any of the other multitude of inhumane ways people can end their lives without assistance should NEVER be the solution.
    The problem becomes, as with the recent transgender trend, that the whole NHS medical establishment becomes set up to “affirm” a decision that’s seen as already made and sacrosanct, rather than the medical professionals offering counselling and support to determine whether the decision was the correct one in the first place.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682

    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410

    Lucky them.

    Farage now needs to set up a proper Shadow Cabinet and research team, as is done by the Official Opposition Tories with MPs and Short Money, and start developing actual departmental policy ahead of the election.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,059
    Zack might have been demoted by the BBC.

    The Green man is no longer listed on tomorrow's HIGNFY (although no replacement is named) after being signed up to tonight's QT.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,059
    Sandpit said:

    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410

    Lucky them.

    Farage now needs to set up a proper Shadow Cabinet and research team, as is done by the Official Opposition Tories with MPs and Short Money, and start developing actual departmental policy ahead of the election.
    Like Labour did.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,551

    FF43 said:

    Been having certificate errors on Vanilla over the past couple of days.

    You should tag @rcs1000 re certificate errors, perhaps with more details, like when and where and how and what.
    Thanks and tagging @rcs1000. The issue is Cypher Mismatch and I'm hitting the issue from two different Android/Chromebook devices. It only applies to Vanilla. Maybe something to do with cache but clearing didn't fix it for me. I can get in now because I'm using a VPN.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,402

    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410

    The oldest question - what does he want in return?
  • isamisam Posts: 43,167
    Foxy said:

    I think if she's at least won over the remaining voters for her party then it increases the chance that the Tories won't lose more voters over the next year. That provides a basis from which to try to win back the voters previously lost.

    A Tory recovery was always likely to be a long process consisting of many steps. This is step one. Now we'll see if she can take step two.

    Of course the banter heuristic would see Tory MPs ditch her after the elections next spring, returning the party back to the start of the process.

    Note that even with this uptick Badenoch and the Tories are less popular than their worst electoral defeat in 2 centuries, mid term against a deeply unpopular government.

    Things may be looking up, but only because they are flat on their back in a ditch!
    There is a somewhat flaky, or at least new and untested, party in the lead though, so potential for a fair chunk of that vote to come back
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,390

    New: Former Conservative donor Christopher Harborne has given Reform UK £9 million.

    It's the largest ever donation by any individual to any British political party, excluding money left in wills


    https://x.com/hzeffman/status/1996496294404309410

    The oldest question - what does he want in return?
    Cynic

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,787
    Nigelb said:

    Welcome to this morning's piece of institutionalised sycophancy.

    This morning, the State Department renamed the former Institute of Peace to reflect the greatest dealmaker in our nation's history.

    Welcome to thDestined to be pulled down in a e Donald J. Trump Institute of Peace. The best is yet to come.

    https://x.com/StateDept/status/1996368099160080884

    A sign destined to be pulled down in a mass of broken concrete, like a post-war swastika or a post fall of the Soviet Union bust of Lenin...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,787
    Sandpit said:

    That’s been two good sessions from England, after a very wobbly first half dozen overs. Well recovered, at least we’re going to see more normal scores here than in the 1st Test.

    Until Australia bat...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,787
    I see Labour are pushing back elections until they think they might not get smashed by the voters.

    How very Trumpian...
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,990
    fitalass said:

    OMG, this site really has become the bitchy centrist left wing dads club! You really cannot admit it, Kemi Badenoch who you had all written off and ditched has grown into the role of a strong Leader of the Opposition and she is currently knocking it out of the park in the House of Commons and enjoying it while she rips Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves a new one every week!

    Her own backbenchers were chanting more yesterday at PMQs. A few months ago she quietly reorgnanised her back room team and the results speak for themselves. TSE talks about his Conservative Westminster mole who clearly does not like her and who has continually briefed against her very negatively, but that does not mean they are going to recognise the very clear shift in opinion among both the lobby and the electorate as a result in the last few weeks.

    Kemi took on the toughest gig in politics when she became the leader of the Conservative party after the last GE, no one wanted to give the party a hearing never mind a favourable nod over the last year, but here we are with her setting the political agenda and all over the media with Farage and Reform nowhere to be seen for the first time in a nearly a year. No wonder Farage has panicked and is now aiming his guns at Kemi Badenoch and the Conservative party right now instead of the incumbent and failing Labour party, but he and his party has stalled in the polls and are now going backwards. Hence the yeah, but no, but yeah but no briefings about a future pact with the Conservatives but only in a deal that subjugates them into the junior partners.

    By the way, where has Farage been in recent weeks, and apart from his week day show on GB news...?


    Nice to hear from you Fitalass.

    This bitchy centrist left wing Dad kind of agrees with. I wouldn't overegg, but she has definitely improved.

    Now if something similar could be done with the Party....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,420
    edited 9:31AM
    Australia on course to bowl 76 overs in the day (& night), utterly pathetic.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,703
    Good grief the latest Construction PMI is abysmal .

    39.4

    That’s well into contraction territory .
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682

    I see Labour are pushing back elections until they think they might not get smashed by the voters.

    How very Trumpian...

    Yes it’s not difficult to imagine the reaction here if Trump said he was postponing the mid-term elections!

    There really should be some sort of constitutional methodology by which local elections can’t be postponed. The re-organisation of local government shouldn’t be a reason not to give the People their say on who governs them at a local level.

    Perhaps the Lords can have their say, as they undoubtedly will on a number of other legislative actions that weren’t in the manifesto.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,118

    fitalass said:

    OMG, this site really has become the bitchy centrist left wing dads club! You really cannot admit it, Kemi Badenoch who you had all written off and ditched has grown into the role of a strong Leader of the Opposition and she is currently knocking it out of the park in the House of Commons and enjoying it while she rips Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves a new one every week!

    Her own backbenchers were chanting more yesterday at PMQs. A few months ago she quietly reorgnanised her back room team and the results speak for themselves. TSE talks about his Conservative Westminster mole who clearly does not like her and who has continually briefed against her very negatively, but that does not mean they are going to recognise the very clear shift in opinion among both the lobby and the electorate as a result in the last few weeks.

    Kemi took on the toughest gig in politics when she became the leader of the Conservative party after the last GE, no one wanted to give the party a hearing never mind a favourable nod over the last year, but here we are with her setting the political agenda and all over the media with Farage and Reform nowhere to be seen for the first time in a nearly a year. No wonder Farage has panicked and is now aiming his guns at Kemi Badenoch and the Conservative party right now instead of the incumbent and failing Labour party, but he and his party has stalled in the polls and are now going backwards. Hence the yeah, but no, but yeah but no briefings about a future pact with the Conservatives but only in a deal that subjugates them into the junior partners.

    By the way, where has Farage been in recent weeks, and apart from his week day show on GB news...?


    Nice to hear from you Fitalass.

    This bitchy centrist left wing Dad kind of agrees with. I wouldn't overegg, but she has definitely improved.

    Now if something similar could be done with the Party....
    Maybe it needs Jenrick and his ilk to defect en masse to Reform, so that the remaining Conservatives can re establish themselves as a competent and united party.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682
    Pulpstar said:

    Australia on course to bowl 76 overs in the day (& night), utterly pathetic.

    Captains used to get fined for unduly slow bowling.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,118
    nico67 said:

    Good grief the latest Construction PMI is abysmal .

    39.4

    That’s well into contraction territory .

    We can get rid of some planners and consultants then, as there is no longer enough work for them.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,981
    I see Christopher Harborne lives in Thailand. I'm sure he's one of those patriots who flies a Union flag in his luxury compound.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,059

    I see Christopher Harborne lives in Thailand. I'm sure he's one of those patriots who flies a Union flag in his luxury compound.

    I expect there will be a great deal of media interest from those who could not give a damn while he was a Tory donor.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,420
    Sandpit said:

    I see Labour are pushing back elections until they think they might not get smashed by the voters.

    How very Trumpian...

    Yes it’s not difficult to imagine the reaction here if Trump said he was postponing the mid-term elections!

    There really should be some sort of constitutional methodology by which local elections can’t be postponed. The re-organisation of local government shouldn’t be a reason not to give the People their say on who governs them at a local level.

    Perhaps the Lords can have their say, as they undoubtedly will on a number of other legislative actions that weren’t in the manifesto.
    Reorganisation going on with Nottinghamshire, which actually I'm in favour of (Long term a simpler structure is better I think) - neither Rushcliffe nor Gedling want to be part of Nottingham City, who want another proposal where they'll absorb certain wards of current neighbouring district councils but neither Gedling nor Rushcliffe in it's entirity. Notts CC want Rushcliffe within their orbit which might carry the most weight amongst the differing councils opinions.
    Presumably the SoS for local Gov't (Steve Reed) or more likely one of his Whitehall flunkies now makes the final call - but when ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 34,059
    OT just had a brief power cut, two actually.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,703
    I hope you’re all ready for the WC draw tomorrow where Infantino will fellate Trump by awarding him a Peace prize !
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,168
    Sandpit said:

    I see Labour are pushing back elections until they think they might not get smashed by the voters.

    How very Trumpian...

    Yes it’s not difficult to imagine the reaction here if Trump said he was postponing the mid-term elections!

    There really should be some sort of constitutional methodology by which local elections can’t be postponed. The re-organisation of local government shouldn’t be a reason not to give the People their say on who governs them at a local level.

    Perhaps the Lords can have their say, as they undoubtedly will on a number of other legislative actions that weren’t in the manifesto.
    Good morning one and all..
    Still working from ‘spare’ device since Safari on my desktop can’t open ‘pb’.

    I can see the point of not electing the District Councils, since we don’t yet know the structure., certainly in Essex.But we know the overall boundaries of the Mayoral districts…… the current counties, so why not elect the mayors and let them participate in the discussions?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,056
    nico67 said:

    Good grief the latest Construction PMI is abysmal .

    39.4

    That’s well into contraction territory .

    If you stop new projects in an industry, then the industry stops.

    It’s about choices.

    Huge chunks of the cost of construction are from regulation. The idea that regulation is cost free, so is always an undiluted benefit is deep rooted, in many places.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,420
    edited 9:47AM
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Australia on course to bowl 76 overs in the day (& night), utterly pathetic.

    Captains used to get fined for unduly slow bowling.
    Can't see it getting much quicker, Green the all rounder is their 5th bowling option - so no spinners, not even a Root option unless Smith dobs in a few overs.

    Edit: "Ohhh dear" as my daughter sometimes pipes up when things have gone wrong..
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,088
    Shit the bed.

    #TheAshes
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,168
    Two wickets in FOUR balls! Duck for Smith!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,155
    Good job England bat deep....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,420

    nico67 said:

    Good grief the latest Construction PMI is abysmal .

    39.4

    That’s well into contraction territory .

    If you stop new projects in an industry, then the industry stops.

    It’s about choices.

    Huge chunks of the cost of construction are from regulation. The idea that regulation is cost free, so is always an undiluted benefit is deep rooted, in many places.
    *Cough, splutter*

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3k7xdy193o
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,088

    Good job England bat deep....

    Joe Root’s never getting that century in Australia.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,787
    Pulpstar said:

    Australia on course to bowl 76 overs in the day (& night), utterly pathetic.

    A slow cavalcade of English batsmen taking their time to get to the crease?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,420
    Yorkshire playing well today.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682
    Jamie Smith what were you thinking?

    Quack quack quack, that’s a long walk back!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116
    Sandpit said:

    I see Labour are pushing back elections until they think they might not get smashed by the voters.

    How very Trumpian...

    Yes it’s not difficult to imagine the reaction here if Trump said he was postponing the mid-term elections!

    There really should be some sort of constitutional methodology by which local elections can’t be postponed. The re-organisation of local government shouldn’t be a reason not to give the People their say on who governs them at a local level.

    Perhaps the Lords can have their say, as they undoubtedly will on a number of other legislative actions that weren’t in the manifesto.
    It is slightly more nuanced than simply cancelling elections, since the mayoralties won't actually exist until they are elected.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjg2r7z9zo
    ..The new DPPs were intended to provide "sweeping" powers for councils to fast-track growth in regions outside London and, at the time, the government said the new positions would be created "at pace".
    Now, all six of those new devolution priority programme (DPP) areas have announced they will delay their mayoral elections, originally planned for May 2026.
    The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG) announced the first mayoral election in Cumbria had been pushed back a year in July, with councils saying combining the mayoral with planned local elections in 2027 would "save significant resources".
    Cheshire & Warrington followed suit in September, pushing back its first mayoral election from to May 2027 to fit in with full council elections beinhg held at the same time.
    An urgent question has been lodged at parliament by Conservative MP and shadow local government minister David Simmonds.
    A formal announcement is expected later, and the government will argue that the areas need more to time to complete their local government reorganisation, which maintain the existing councils but see them working together on decisions impacting the entire county or regional area.
    The body representing district councils warned at the time that the plans could spark "turmoil" and argued "mega-councils" could undermine local decision-making...


    But I am otherwise in complete agreement. The excuse for postponing the reorganisation, and with it the mayoral elections, is at best threadbare, and looks very much like simple political calculation.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,986

    nico67 said:

    Good grief the latest Construction PMI is abysmal .

    39.4

    That’s well into contraction territory .

    If you stop new projects in an industry, then the industry stops.

    It’s about choices.

    Huge chunks of the cost of construction are from regulation. The idea that regulation is cost free, so is always an undiluted benefit is deep rooted, in many places.
    But less than the cost of no regulation which is why they exist
  • isamisam Posts: 43,167
    I just popped to the shops to get some milk and, as I went to leave, thought “We’ll probably be six down by the time I get back”

    Et voila!

    Strictly speaking, Stokes was run out as I was walking to the front door, but close enough
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,613
    I've just spotted the Laffer curve in the wild. Well, on my desk. Twice, in two days.

    1) I've just had my business rates evaluation for 2026 through. £5k increase. If it had been £500, I would have shrugged my shoulders and paid it. As it is, I've just had a specialist business rates surveyor out who is challenging my listing for me. He gets 25% of whatever we reduce the bill by for the next 3 years, and seems reasonably confident that he can challenge the VOA's very dubious assumptions (the VOA have decided my ratable value twice my actual rent, which is pretty much bang on the market rate), and quite likely get my ratable value reduced below the SBR threshold again (at which point my bill is zero).

    2) Following on from the 2% increase in dividend rates, I've just had a conversation with my accountant. I've a stonking directors loan account in my favour (i.e. I've previously brought forward tax to turn company money into my money whilst the rates are reasonable). I'm unlikely now to pay any more dividend tax for the foreseeable future (i.e. longer than the life of this government). I'll only draw a £12570 tax free wage, and charge the company interest on my (very large) directors loan, means I get the first £17,750 tax free, and if I need to I can top up beyond that at only 22% tax (providing the interest rate I chose to charge is reasonable, which it will be), or just draw down some of my directors loan balance.

    I won't be the only small business owner thinking on the same lines (my accountant said he's had half a dozen such conversations already this week).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116

    Two wickets in FOUR balls! Duck for Smith!

    And that's now three England wickets - Pope, Brook, and Stokes - which were almost entirely, and unnecessarily self-inflicted.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116

    Shit the bed.

    #TheAshes

    Zero prep for playing in conditions they're not accustomed to is taking its toll.
    Whatever the official line might be.

    By the third test, they might actually be competitive.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,088
    Nigelb said:

    Shit the bed.

    #TheAshes

    Zero prep for playing in conditions they're not accustomed to is taking its toll.
    Whatever the official line might be.

    By the third test, they might actually be competitive.
    Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116
    A senior employee of General Dynamics UK has posted comments on social media suggesting that crews bear responsibility for several problems associated with the British Army’s Ajax armoured vehicle. Click image for more.
    https://x.com/UKDefJournal/status/1996460269157953868
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116
    Jeez, I wonder why we might do that ?

    U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau on Wednesday slammed European NATO allies for prioritizing their own defense industry over American arms suppliers, according to three NATO diplomats.
    https://x.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1996309465105055876
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,477
    FPT

    IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    Starmer to delay new Mayoral elections for 2 years

    Has he been talking to Trump

    Some of the areas requiring reorganisations will take more time that their rather ambitious timetable would allow for. But there are other areas which are pretty ready to go, so I'm a little surprised it'd all be delayed.
    In Hampshire they are only now consulting on the new council boundaries, before which no work can be done on council size, ward boundaries, etc. There is no way that elections to these councils can take place next year - it was always inevitable that those areas faced with reorganisation would see a further postponement to 2027. The surprise in this story - if the papers the Indy has “seen” are accurate - is the further delay to 2028.
    The reorganisations have been known about for ages. Why didn’t they do the work before now?
    One answer- councils don't like to vote themselves out of existence.

    Another answer- councils have civic pride and local knowledge which is why they don't think the size rules apply to them.

    Ceremonial Hampshire is 1.92 million people. From what the government has said about size, that's either 3 districts or 4.

    Four gives you councils centred on Portsmouth, Southampton, Winchester and Basingstoke. Three gives you Portsmouth, Southampton and the rest. Those are the options. Pick one. Next item.

    (There's a bit of a question of whether to shift the southern bits of Winchester and East Hants into Solent City districts, to reflect where people live, but even that's a quick ultralocal consultation.

    But basically, turkeys asked to vote on Christmas options will drag it out.
    The councils have actually worked quite quickly to produce these options among themselves - inevitably what was originally one option permed into two and eventually into four, but the essential decision is as you say - either Winchester and Basingstoke get combined or they don't, with consequential changes elsewhere depending on which route is chosen.

    The consultation with stakeholders and the public needs a bit of time, underway now.

    The really hard job is abolishing the existing councils and constituting new ones, and dealing with the shedload of legal, finacial, staffing, property, organisational and service delivery issues that such a huge unheaval will involve. During which at some point the 'new' councillors will be elected - hopefully early enough that they can have some input to the final structures for their council, rather than having the whole thing designed and implemented by administrators - but not so early that they are elected to a council that doesn't actually exist, physically or in law.

    Anyone here from an area that went through a similar major change during the Tory years? (when elections were also postponed)
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,551
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Been having certificate errors on Vanilla over the past couple of days.

    You should tag @rcs1000 re certificate errors, perhaps with more details, like when and where and how and what.
    Thanks and tagging @rcs1000. The issue is Cypher Mismatch and I'm hitting the issue from two different Android/Chromebook devices. It only applies to Vanilla. Maybe something to do with cache but clearing didn't fix it for me. I can get in now because I'm using a VPN.
    Exact error: ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682
    Nigelb said:

    A senior employee of General Dynamics UK has posted comments on social media suggesting that crews bear responsibility for several problems associated with the British Army’s Ajax armoured vehicle. Click image for more.
    https://x.com/UKDefJournal/status/1996460269157953868

    Let’s send a handful to Ukraine then, with GDUK trainers, and see what those actually fighting a war think of them.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Been having certificate errors on Vanilla over the past couple of days.

    You should tag @rcs1000 re certificate errors, perhaps with more details, like when and where and how and what.
    Thanks and tagging @rcs1000. The issue is Cypher Mismatch and I'm hitting the issue from two different Android/Chromebook devices. It only applies to Vanilla. Maybe something to do with cache but clearing didn't fix it for me. I can get in now because I'm using a VPN.
    Exact error: ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH
    That could be a browser issue, see this article.
    https://thegeekpage.com/err_ssl_version_or_cipher_mismatch/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    A senior employee of General Dynamics UK has posted comments on social media suggesting that crews bear responsibility for several problems associated with the British Army’s Ajax armoured vehicle. Click image for more.
    https://x.com/UKDefJournal/status/1996460269157953868

    Let’s send a handful to Ukraine then, with GDUK trainers, and see what those actually fighting a war think of them.
    There are more developments on this story.
    There's a suggestion out there (disclaimer - unproven so far) that GDLS is actively preparing to fraudulently blame the army for the problems with the system.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,862
    edited 10:13AM
    IanB2 said:

    FPT

    IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    Starmer to delay new Mayoral elections for 2 years

    Has he been talking to Trump

    Some of the areas requiring reorganisations will take more time that their rather ambitious timetable would allow for. But there are other areas which are pretty ready to go, so I'm a little surprised it'd all be delayed.
    In Hampshire they are only now consulting on the new council boundaries, before which no work can be done on council size, ward boundaries, etc. There is no way that elections to these councils can take place next year - it was always inevitable that those areas faced with reorganisation would see a further postponement to 2027. The surprise in this story - if the papers the Indy has “seen” are accurate - is the further delay to 2028.
    The reorganisations have been known about for ages. Why didn’t they do the work before now?
    One answer- councils don't like to vote themselves out of existence.

    Another answer- councils have civic pride and local knowledge which is why they don't think the size rules apply to them.

    Ceremonial Hampshire is 1.92 million people. From what the government has said about size, that's either 3 districts or 4.

    Four gives you councils centred on Portsmouth, Southampton, Winchester and Basingstoke. Three gives you Portsmouth, Southampton and the rest. Those are the options. Pick one. Next item.

    (There's a bit of a question of whether to shift the southern bits of Winchester and East Hants into Solent City districts, to reflect where people live, but even that's a quick ultralocal consultation.

    But basically, turkeys asked to vote on Christmas options will drag it out.
    The councils have actually worked quite quickly to produce these options among themselves - inevitably what was originally one option permed into two and eventually into four, but the essential decision is as you say - either Winchester and Basingstoke get combined or they don't, with consequential changes elsewhere depending on which route is chosen.

    The consultation with stakeholders and the public needs a bit of time, underway now.

    The really hard job is abolishing the existing councils and constituting new ones, and dealing with the shedload of legal, finacial, staffing, property, organisational and service delivery issues that such a huge unheaval will involve. During which at some point the 'new' councillors will be elected - hopefully early enough that they can have some input to the final structures for their council, rather than having the whole thing designed and implemented by administrators - but not so early that they are elected to a council that doesn't actually exist, physically or in law.

    Anyone here from an area that went through a similar major change during the Tory years? (when elections were also postponed)
    ALmost all of Scotland did, twice over. To a two (mostly) tier effective 1985, and then to the current unitary system effective in 1996. But then they had to do what the SoSfS said, including fiddling to break up Glasgow city and save the posh folk of certain suburbs from being lumped in with the Jimmies in the Saltmarket.

    Also, for ther record, the postponement of the Holyrood elections when Westminster decided it wanted the slot - in 2016 I think but memory is hazy.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,481
    Good job England bat deep.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116
    isam said:

    I just popped to the shops to get some milk and, as I went to leave, thought “We’ll probably be six down by the time I get back”

    Et voila!

    Strictly speaking, Stokes was run out as I was walking to the front door, but close enough

    You're as bad as Sandpit and his meetings.
    No more milk for you.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,682
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    A senior employee of General Dynamics UK has posted comments on social media suggesting that crews bear responsibility for several problems associated with the British Army’s Ajax armoured vehicle. Click image for more.
    https://x.com/UKDefJournal/status/1996460269157953868

    Let’s send a handful to Ukraine then, with GDUK trainers, and see what those actually fighting a war think of them.
    There are more developments on this story.
    There's a suggestion out there (disclaimer - unproven so far) that GDLS is actively preparing to fraudulently blame the army for the problems with the system.
    Sounds like they know they’ve messed it up, and are scrambling around to find a way to make sure they still get paid.

    There was an article linked here the other day that suggested they need serious chassis modifications to meet the Army’s spec.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116
    edited 10:18AM
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    A senior employee of General Dynamics UK has posted comments on social media suggesting that crews bear responsibility for several problems associated with the British Army’s Ajax armoured vehicle. Click image for more.
    https://x.com/UKDefJournal/status/1996460269157953868

    Let’s send a handful to Ukraine then, with GDUK trainers, and see what those actually fighting a war think of them.
    There are more developments on this story.
    There's a suggestion out there (disclaimer - unproven so far) that GDLS is actively preparing to fraudulently blame the army for the problems with the system.
    Sounds like they know they’ve messed it up, and are scrambling around to find a way to make sure they still get paid.

    There was an article linked here the other day that suggested they need serious chassis modifications to meet the Army’s spec.
    Yes, that was a load of bollocks.
    What it was really saying is that the system isn't fit for purpose, and they're trying to get another billion or so to make unproven modifications.

    The example they gave (the US Booker, which is based around the same, unbuilt Spanish design) has had the program cancelled by the US in June this year.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,168
    On topic… is that allowed …. there are five Council by-elections today so that might give some small indication. One Tory defence, one Indie and no less than three LibDems.
    None of them in Tory-led Councils though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 84,116
    Fascinating read from @WSJ

    Ousted SOUTHCOM Commander Admiral Holsey “had initial concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, according to former officials aware of the discussions.”
    Shortly after taking over Southern Command, Hegseth told Admiral Holsey: “You’re either on the team or you’re not,” according to notes from a participant on the VTC. “When you get an order, you move out fast and don’t ask questions.”

    https://x.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1996403225260359797

    The actual law which governs the military chain of command says otherwise.
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