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Any requests please for 2026 politics specials?Number of by-elections?Number of Prime Ministers?Number of Reform defections?

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  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,014
    Good morning . Would like to see no more new laws until some of the old ones have been fixed.

    Insert your favourite ‘the law is an ass’ here.
  • How many different parties will lead / be above X percent in a BPC poll?

    Not sure where to put X for maximum entertainment. Fifteen and twenty-five would be rather different questions.
  • Australia will again be without Pat Cummins for the second Ashes Test in Brisbane as the captain continues to recover from a back injury.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,970
    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,848
    They played a chunk of an interview with Kemi on Today (approx 6.50am) from a long form with Nick Robinson. She was very engaging, humorous and came across very well. I thought she dealt with his questioning about her budget response tone perfectly.

    If the Tories can resist the idiocy of replacing with Jenrick if results in May aren’t perfect and she gets the chance to really build her profile with the electorate then I think she has a chance of beating reform.

    I think by the next election people will like the no nonsense attitude and I think her attacks on Reform in the clip are the approach to take.

    Other opinions are of course available.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,437
    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,613
    Saratov oil refinery in Russia is on fire again. They still haven’t learned about not smoking there, that must be half a dozen times it’s gone up.

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1994182059959452091
  • IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707
    Sandpit said:

    Saratov oil refinery in Russia is on fire again. They still haven’t learned about not smoking there, that must be half a dozen times it’s gone up.

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1994182059959452091

    Those smokers are literally burning money - money Russia doesn't have.

    Word is money is so tight that their troops aren't being paid. That is really going to piss off the senior officers, if they can't extort money from their troops.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,640
    Sandpit said:

    Saratov oil refinery in Russia is on fire again. They still haven’t learned about not smoking there, that must be half a dozen times it’s gone up.

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1994182059959452091

    They do say smoking is bad for you !
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,437
    edited November 28

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,613

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    All they appear to agree on is a dislike of Israel.

    At some point the LBGTQIA+- are going to fall out with the Islamists.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    A man with nothing to give thanks for this Thanksgiving. (Well, apart from the billions in graft he and his family have bagged in the past year.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707
    Your Party.

    Not. My. Party.
  • Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    A man with nothing to give thanks for this Thanksgiving. (Well, apart from the billions in graft he and his family have bagged in the past year.)
    If I had been saved from an orange jumpsuit and wondering what happened to Melania on visiting day, I would be pretty damn thankful.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,640

    Your Party.

    Not. My. Party.

    And I’ll cry if I want to.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,405
    Good morning, everyone. It's good that the market makers (if that's the term) are seeking input from the market ?players.

  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,451
    boulay said:

    They played a chunk of an interview with Kemi on Today (approx 6.50am) from a long form with Nick Robinson. She was very engaging, humorous and came across very well. I thought she dealt with his questioning about her budget response tone perfectly.

    If the Tories can resist the idiocy of replacing with Jenrick if results in May aren’t perfect and she gets the chance to really build her profile with the electorate then I think she has a chance of beating reform.

    I think by the next election people will like the no nonsense attitude and I think her attacks on Reform in the clip are the approach to take.

    Other opinions are of course available.

    The media pendulum likes to swing from time, usually in response to some sort of prompt in the polls or commons performance. It may be time for a Tory mini revival, at the expense of Reform (and probably Lib Dems).

    This will suit Labour so long as the revival is in helpful locations where they face a Reform threat. It needs a neatly divided right.

    That in turn helps the Greens. They’re an indulgent choice for many voters who don’t think there’s a real risk of the right getting back in. Plaid perhaps, too.

    It will not suit the Lib Dems. Lib Dem seat count is essentially the inverse product of Tory vote share. And Farage is the ultimate bogeyman for Lib Dems supporters.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,640
    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    All they appear to agree on is a dislike of Israel.

    At some point the LBGTQIA+- are going to fall out with the Islamists.
    Thinks that’s already happened, two have quit.

    It’s a fiasco. Corbyn is a dithered and Sultana a liability.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,738
    We won't have any pubs left at this rate.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,405
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    A party of all leaders and no followers. Naturally they want to attract as many followers as possible.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,613

    Sandpit said:

    Saratov oil refinery in Russia is on fire again. They still haven’t learned about not smoking there, that must be half a dozen times it’s gone up.

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1994182059959452091

    Those smokers are literally burning money - money Russia doesn't have.

    Word is money is so tight that their troops aren't being paid. That is really going to piss off the senior officers, if they can't extort money from their troops.
    Some of the stories in the past few days suggest quite the breakdown in discipline among the troops, as well as recruitment and desertion issues. Add to the shortage of both offensive and defensive weapons, and Ukraine’s ability to bomb facilities well inside Russia seemingly at will, and one can only hope that at some point soon the Russians will have to withdraw.

    They lost so many soldiers trying to get to Pokrovsk, said to be over 100,000, that when they arrived they barely had time to put a flag in the town square before they were chased out again by the defenders.
  • Your Party imploding? Who knew that crankies hate crankies more than they hate Tories...?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,451
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    The story of Your Party imploding while the Greens enjoy a surge is pretty much identical to Change UK imploding while the Lib Dems surged in 2018-19. Much easier to build from an established foundation and voter brand than create something entirely new.

    UKIP and its successors are the exception, because there wasn’t an established party the populist right could inhabit at the time they first surged (the Conservatives were still officially a pro-EU party).
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,906
    FPT
    IanB2 said:

    JRF said the average household would be £850 a year worse off by 2029-30 than when Labour had come to power, with those at the top end of the income scale hit hardest, as Reeves targets them with tax rises.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/27/budget-tax-rises-ifs-fiscal-fiction-warning

    Good luck selling that at a GE.

    As I suggested yesterday, so many of the negative changes are backloaded to 2029 that it is hard to believe an election will be called that late - or alternatively that the measures will last through to implementation?
    So you are saying that it is smoke and mirrors rather than a real plan? That’s not very responsible fiscal management…

    (From our perspective if you rule out late spring 29 doesn’t that push an election to autumn 28)? I can’t see them wanting to do an election in the face of upcoming tax rises so not March 29.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,022
    edited November 28

    Your Party imploding? Who knew that crankies hate crankies more than they hate Tories...?

    Nicola Sturgeon has joined the You Party?

    Oh wait, I am thinking about the Krankies, I still cannot get over them being swingers.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,906
    Max/min spread between NOTA (Reform, Green, YourParty) and establishment (Labour, Tory, LibDem)

    Number of times Greens > Lib Dem

    Date of first Green > Labour cross over

    Date of first Tory > Reform cross over

    Number of Cabinet resignations
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,216

    Your Party imploding? Who knew that crankies hate crankies more than they hate Tories...?

    Heretics are always more hated than heathens.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,877

    Your Party imploding? Who knew that crankies hate crankies more than they hate Tories...?

    Nicola Sturgeon has joined the You Party?

    Oh wait, I am thinking about the Krankies, I still cannot get over them being swingers.
    Do they have a camper van?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,906

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
  • Your Party imploding? Who knew that crankies hate crankies more than they hate Tories...?

    Heretics are always more hated than heathens.
    That's a bit like Luke 15:7 in reverse.
  • A lurker has suggested two markets for 2006

    1) The number of times I mention I tipped Ed Milliband at 100/1 to succeed Starmer in PB headers

    and

    2) The number of times I mention I tipped Pierre Poilievre to lose his seat at 14/1 in PB headers

    Can we do the first in a double with Angela Rayner next Prime Minister, or is that a related contingency?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 12,676
    edited November 28

    FPT

    IanB2 said:

    JRF said the average household would be £850 a year worse off by 2029-30 than when Labour had come to power, with those at the top end of the income scale hit hardest, as Reeves targets them with tax rises.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/27/budget-tax-rises-ifs-fiscal-fiction-warning

    Good luck selling that at a GE.

    As I suggested yesterday, so many of the negative changes are backloaded to 2029 that it is hard to believe an election will be called that late - or alternatively that the measures will last through to implementation?
    So you are saying that it is smoke and mirrors rather than a real plan? That’s not very responsible fiscal management…

    (From our perspective if you rule out late spring 29 doesn’t that push an election to autumn 28)? I can’t see them wanting to do an election in the face of upcoming tax rises so not March 29.
    Not necessarily. For whatever reason, the markets seem to tolerate governments simply pushing the problem into the future, and I suspect 2029 will turn into 2030,2031, 2032...

    The OBR are quite weak on this imo - though they don't have much choice but to take the government's word. They do have the famous fuel duty graph which demonstrates that promised increases never materialise, even though their forecasts depend on that happening.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,906

    We won't have any pubs left at this rate.

    What will you do for venison?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,613
    On topic, one request to market makers to offer all potential outcomes on any given market. Nothing worse than a market that offers only one side of a bet.
  • Eabhal said:

    FPT

    IanB2 said:

    JRF said the average household would be £850 a year worse off by 2029-30 than when Labour had come to power, with those at the top end of the income scale hit hardest, as Reeves targets them with tax rises.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/27/budget-tax-rises-ifs-fiscal-fiction-warning

    Good luck selling that at a GE.

    As I suggested yesterday, so many of the negative changes are backloaded to 2029 that it is hard to believe an election will be called that late - or alternatively that the measures will last through to implementation?
    So you are saying that it is smoke and mirrors rather than a real plan? That’s not very responsible fiscal management…

    (From our perspective if you rule out late spring 29 doesn’t that push an election to autumn 28)? I can’t see them wanting to do an election in the face of upcoming tax rises so not March 29.
    Not necessarily. For whatever reason, the markets seem to tolerate governments simply pushing the problem into the future, and I suspect 2029 will turn into 2030,2031, 2032...

    The OBR are quite weak on this imo - though they don't have much choice but to take the government's word. They do have the famous fuel duty graph which demonstrates that promised increases never materialise, even though their forecasts depend on that happening.
    The question the OBR are asked is "will this plan have a decent chance of meeting the fiscal rule?"

    That most of the time they are asked to mark the answer to a silly question is the fault of the question setter, not the marker.
  • A lurker has suggested two markets for 2006

    1) The number of times I mention I tipped Ed Milliband at 100/1 to succeed Starmer in PB headers

    and

    2) The number of times I mention I tipped Pierre Poilievre to lose his seat at 14/1 in PB headers

    Can we do the first in a double with Angela Rayner next Prime Minister, or is that a related contingency?
    Related contingency.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,451
    By-elections showing the usual recent pattern:

    Reform easy gain from Labour in Sunderland, Tories and independents being squeezed further.

    Hetton (Sunderland) Council By-Election Result:

    ➡️ RFM: 45.2% (+34.3)
    🙋 Ind: 25.6% (-3.6)
    🌹 LAB: 22.7% (-23.9)
    🔶 LDM: 4.2% (+1.7)
    🌳 CON: 2.3% (-3.6)

    No GRN (-5.0) as previous.

    Reform GAIN from Labour.
    Changes w/ 2024.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1994194411941474636?s=46

    Comfortable Lib Dem hold in Pendle, increasing share despite Reform surging.

    Barnoldswick (Pendle) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 59.8% (+1.5)
    ➡️ RFM: 26.2% (New)
    🌳 CON: 10.1% (-11.7)
    🌹 LAB: 3.9% (-11.1)

    No GRN (-4.9) as previous.

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2024.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1994195157814489218?s=46
  • Reform win Hetton. Ever been to Hetton-le-Hole? It's not a surprise...
  • We won't have any pubs left at this rate.

    What will you do for venison?
    My local butchers has just had their window Christmas decorated. The design includes a lovely reindeer.

    Whether it is to pull Santa's sleigh or to eat isn't clear.
  • Reform win Hetton. Ever been to Hetton-le-Hole? It's not a surprise...

    I have, it is the birthplace of the greatest manager Britain has ever produced.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,188

    Reform win Hetton. Ever been to Hetton-le-Hole? It's not a surprise...

    I have, it is the birthplace of the greatest manager Britain has ever produced.
    Sorry to correct you but Eddie Howe is from Buckinghamshire
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,960
    TimS said:

    boulay said:

    They played a chunk of an interview with Kemi on Today (approx 6.50am) from a long form with Nick Robinson. She was very engaging, humorous and came across very well. I thought she dealt with his questioning about her budget response tone perfectly.

    If the Tories can resist the idiocy of replacing with Jenrick if results in May aren’t perfect and she gets the chance to really build her profile with the electorate then I think she has a chance of beating reform.

    I think by the next election people will like the no nonsense attitude and I think her attacks on Reform in the clip are the approach to take.

    Other opinions are of course available.

    The media pendulum likes to swing from time, usually in response to some sort of prompt in the polls or commons performance. It may be time for a Tory mini revival, at the expense of Reform (and probably Lib Dems).

    This will suit Labour so long as the revival is in helpful locations where they face a Reform threat. It needs a neatly divided right.

    That in turn helps the Greens. They’re an indulgent choice for many voters who don’t think there’s a real risk of the right getting back in. Plaid perhaps, too.

    It will not suit the Lib Dems. Lib Dem seat count is essentially the inverse product of Tory vote share. And Farage is the ultimate bogeyman for Lib Dems supporters.
    The interests behind the media have decided that Reform has served it's purpose for now, they've dragged a weakly led Labour govt further to the right and disrupted it. So time to rehabilitate the Conservatives and damage Farage, the revelations about his schooldays aren't new, they're just being allowed some airtime.
  • Reform win Hetton. Ever been to Hetton-le-Hole? It's not a surprise...

    I have, it is the birthplace of the greatest manager Britain has ever produced.
    Sorry to correct you but Eddie Howe is from Buckinghamshire
    Come back to me when Eddie wins Europe's top club competition for the first time, let alone for the third time. 13 major trophies in 9 seasons is the sign of greatness.

    Rumours are that if Slot goes we're going for Eddie Howe and he wants to come, he's very good friends with Richard Hughes and Michael Edwards.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,882

    We won't have any pubs left at this rate.

    These rates.
  • Nigelb said:

    We won't have any pubs left at this rate.

    These rates.
    Does anyone go to pubs these days?

    I generally visit bars in hotels.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,140

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,478
    boulay said:

    They played a chunk of an interview with Kemi on Today (approx 6.50am) from a long form with Nick Robinson. She was very engaging, humorous and came across very well. I thought she dealt with his questioning about her budget response tone perfectly.

    If the Tories can resist the idiocy of replacing with Jenrick if results in May aren’t perfect and she gets the chance to really build her profile with the electorate then I think she has a chance of beating reform.

    I think by the next election people will like the no nonsense attitude and I think her attacks on Reform in the clip are the approach to take.

    Other opinions are of course available.

    Badenoch needs to seize the moment and run with it. If she doesn’t, she won’t likely get another chance to really confidently set out her pitch.

    The budget response seems to have broken through and given her airtime - it seems to be circulating well on social media. If I were advising her I think I’d tell her to keep up the attacking style in Parliament - it gets people talking if nothing else. In another era, Blair often was very combative in his PMQs performances against Major - nothing like as savage as Badenoch was on Wednesday, mind, but times have changed and short clips on social media are the order of the day now.

    She then needs to spend the first quarter of the year going heavy on the economy, and really setting out an alternative. If the Tories win back a modicum of credibility on the economy, even if not to everyone, the political landscape shifts again.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,578
    edited November 28
    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,882

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    This is probably what prompted the stream of demented racism.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/25/minnesota-fight-trump-somalis-tps-order
    In the days since the president said he would be ending a legal immigration status program for Somalis in Minnesota, local elected officials and community members said they will fight back.

    On Truth Social on Friday, Trump wrote that he would be “terminating, effective immediately” temporary protected status for Somalis in Minnesota. Trump wrote that Minnesota was a “hub of fraudulent money laundering activity”. “Send them back to where they came from. It’s OVER!” he wrote.

    Community advocates said the rhetoric smearing all Somalis is inaccurate and puts them at risk. They worry about increased targeting for immigration enforcement and demonization of the Somali community.

    The move comes after several high-profile instances of fraud in state programs including by Somali residents, which rightwing media have amplified. A recent piece alleged these fraudulent activities meant Minnesota taxpayers were funding terrorist groups in Somalia. Minnesota’s Republican members of Congress then elevated that claim in a letter seeking an investigation.

    “If anyone, regardless of their race, religion, or ethnicity, committed fraud, they should be held accountable under the law as individuals,” Khalid Omar, an organizer with interfaith group Isaiah, said. “Collective punishment is wrong and racist, and using the actions of a few people to attack an entire community is un-American.”

    TPS allows people from countries with unsafe or unstable conditions to live legally in the US. An administration can grant or remove it, through the Department of Homeland Security, as the Trump administration has done for countries such as Venezuela since Trump took office in January. The department has so far not removed Somalia from the countries under the status.

    Typically, the removal of TPS would apply nationwide, not just to a single state like Minnesota, making Trump’s promise to remove it solely for the state, and seemingly not related to Somalia’s stability, legally questionable.

    “Obviously, fraud investigations in the United States do not have anything to do with whether conditions in Somalia have stabilized or not,” said Julia Decker, policy director at the Immigrant Law Center of Minnesota.

    Minnesota is home to the nation’s largest Somali population, most of whom are US citizens. Ilhan Omar, a congresswoman and frequent target for Trump and his allies, said in a statement on X, in response to supporters of Trump’s announcement: “I am a citizen and so are majority of Somalis in America. Good luck celebrating a policy change that really doesn’t have much impact on the Somalis you love to hate. We are here to stay.”

    TPS currently protects about 700 people from Somalia residing across the US from deportation..
  • boulay said:

    They played a chunk of an interview with Kemi on Today (approx 6.50am) from a long form with Nick Robinson. She was very engaging, humorous and came across very well. I thought she dealt with his questioning about her budget response tone perfectly.

    If the Tories can resist the idiocy of replacing with Jenrick if results in May aren’t perfect and she gets the chance to really build her profile with the electorate then I think she has a chance of beating reform.

    I think by the next election people will like the no nonsense attitude and I think her attacks on Reform in the clip are the approach to take.

    Other opinions are of course available.

    Badenoch needs to seize the moment and run with it. If she doesn’t, she won’t likely get another chance to really confidently set out her pitch.

    The budget response seems to have broken through and given her airtime - it seems to be circulating well on social media. If I were advising her I think I’d tell her to keep up the attacking style in Parliament - it gets people talking if nothing else. In another era, Blair often was very combative in his PMQs performances against Major - nothing like as savage as Badenoch was on Wednesday, mind, but times have changed and short clips on social media are the order of the day now.

    She then needs to spend the first quarter of the year going heavy on the economy, and really setting out an alternative. If the Tories win back a modicum of credibility on the economy, even if not to everyone, the political landscape shifts again.
    And not to fall down the anti woke hole chasing Reform. You can’t out Reform reform, let others do that stuff, jenrick is good at it.
    It’s the economy, it’s tax, it’s future stability. It’s the Tories pitch and the government’s weakness.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,882
    edited November 28
    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,216
    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    Would Vance be worse? He seems to have a bizarre hatred of Ukraine.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,970
    On topic, market on next kippery pol to be fingered for Russian connections? I'm going for Coburn.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn09x11yr7ro
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,592
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    I think there are at least three unreconcilable factions, represented by Sultana (modern progressive left), Corbyn (old fashioned patriarchal left) and the Gaza Independents (representing a lot of people who aren't even socialists, eg multiple HMO landlords). As you say, united only by Gaza and, in many cases, antisemitism
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,267
    Number of Your Party MPs at the beginning of 2026
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,882
    The BBC continues to sanewash Trump's statements.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxweyy157go

    The notion that it's biased against him is utterly laughable.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,592
    edited November 28

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    I just let saw him on telly talking about the National Guardswoman's death. I thought he was going to do the Parrot Sketch. "Has passed away, is no longer with us, is looking down on us, has fallen off her perch..." Does no-one in the USA use the D-word any more?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,124
    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    He is a sociopath

    @RpsAgainstTrump

    Asked if he’ll attend the funeral of West Virginia National Guard member Sarah Beckstrom, Trump said:

    “It’s certainly something I can conceive of… I won West Virginia by one of the biggest margins of any president anywhere.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1994228073760276785?s=20
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,188

    Reform win Hetton. Ever been to Hetton-le-Hole? It's not a surprise...

    I have, it is the birthplace of the greatest manager Britain has ever produced.
    Sorry to correct you but Eddie Howe is from Buckinghamshire
    Come back to me when Eddie wins Europe's top club competition for the first time, let alone for the third time. 13 major trophies in 9 seasons is the sign of greatness.

    Rumours are that if Slot goes we're going for Eddie Howe and he wants to come, he's very good friends with Richard Hughes and Michael Edwards.
    You can have him for £125m
  • Its Black Friday, and that means the fukers launch their new party black shirt! With a gold pin badge! An arrow pointing to 18/AH!

    Comedy on TwiX as fuker fans try to justify why a black shirt and a gold party badge and 18 are not fascist. We truly are waiting for the worms...

    Coming soon! Hugo Boss leather trenchcoats. And fetching thigh-length leather boots.
  • Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Coincidentally, I am currently re-reading Andrew Gimson's biography of the great man. If I type Boris into my Kindle's search bar, it brings up seven books – two by him, five about him – including Sebastian Payne's The Fall of Boris Johnson which you mention. I'd be rich if I could stop spending on Conservative politicians.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,906

    We won't have any pubs left at this rate.

    What will you do for venison?
    My local butchers has just had their window Christmas decorated. The design includes a lovely reindeer.

    Whether it is to pull Santa's sleigh or to eat isn't clear.
    Is it dressed or not?
  • Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    Would Vance be worse? He seems to have a bizarre hatred of Ukraine.
    Which is worse?

    Vance having direct power, or Vance having power behind the throne of a blob of orange jelly with a massive ego?

    Not a cheerful thought for a Friday morning, but there you are.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,906
    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,267
    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    Snopes article on it: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ilhan-omar-marry-brother/
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,960

    A lurker has suggested two markets for 2006

    1) The number of times I mention I tipped Ed Milliband at 100/1 to succeed Starmer in PB headers

    and

    2) The number of times I mention I tipped Pierre Poilievre to lose his seat at 14/1 in PB headers

    Can we do the first in a double with Angela Rayner next Prime Minister, or is that a related contingency?
    Related contingency.
    Is it time to cash out on Ed M?
    I see that cash out is currently at 15/2 (I was on at 100+) and wish I'd put more on
  • Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament



  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,267

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    MAGA Republicans are not very well connected to reality.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,124

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    Would Vance be worse? He seems to have a bizarre hatred of Ukraine.
    Which is worse?

    Vance having direct power, or Vance having power behind the throne of a blob of orange jelly with a massive ego?

    Not a cheerful thought for a Friday morning, but there you are.
    Vance doesn't have power now and the cult of Trump dies with him
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,216

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament



    It seems legitimate to worry a Government that's delayed making decisions will, indeed, continue to delay making decisions.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,960

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament



    Desperately hoping for an economic upturn that allows them to soften them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,882

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    Would Vance be worse? He seems to have a bizarre hatred of Ukraine.
    Quite possibly.

    The only way I want Trump defanged is by a Democratic landslide next year. But it's looking increasingly possible that age will catch up with him first.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,478

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament



    That is exactly the tactic.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,882

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    "They're eating cats and dogs."
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 33,977
    edited November 28
    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    The President is almost 80 so some decline is unsurprising. Notwithstanding occasional brain freezes and speculation about everything from cancer to dementia, my own worthless amateur diagnosis is congestive heart disease, which goes with his obesity, swollen legs, the disguised hand-bruising that might be from insertion of stents. And has he switched from Coke to Diet Coke? The MRI could be for anything.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,188
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    Would Vance be worse? He seems to have a bizarre hatred of Ukraine.
    Which is worse?

    Vance having direct power, or Vance having power behind the throne of a blob of orange jelly with a massive ego?

    Not a cheerful thought for a Friday morning, but there you are.
    Vance doesn't have power now and the cult of Trump dies with him
    Wishful thinking. Just wait until Vance marries Erica Kirk in the wedding of the century to become the MAGA anointed ones.
  • Dopermean said:

    A lurker has suggested two markets for 2006

    1) The number of times I mention I tipped Ed Milliband at 100/1 to succeed Starmer in PB headers

    and

    2) The number of times I mention I tipped Pierre Poilievre to lose his seat at 14/1 in PB headers

    Can we do the first in a double with Angela Rayner next Prime Minister, or is that a related contingency?
    Related contingency.
    Is it time to cash out on Ed M?
    I see that cash out is currently at 15/2 (I was on at 100+) and wish I'd put more on
    Yes.
  • Dopermean said:

    A lurker has suggested two markets for 2006

    1) The number of times I mention I tipped Ed Milliband at 100/1 to succeed Starmer in PB headers

    and

    2) The number of times I mention I tipped Pierre Poilievre to lose his seat at 14/1 in PB headers

    Can we do the first in a double with Angela Rayner next Prime Minister, or is that a related contingency?
    Related contingency.
    Is it time to cash out on Ed M?
    I see that cash out is currently at 15/2 (I was on at 100+) and wish I'd put more on
    Yes.
    It is never too early to take a profit, is the old saying.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,882

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    The President is almost 80 so some decline is unsurprising. Notwithstanding occasional brain freezes and speculation about everything from cancer to dementia, my own worthless amateur diagnosis is congestive heart disease, which goes with his obesity, swollen legs, the disguised hand-bruising that might be from insertion of stents. And has he switched from Coke to Diet Coke? The MRI could be for anything.
    I'm not saying it's inevitable.
    But I think it's worth making a market on.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,906

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    MAGA Republicans are not very well connected to reality.
    True, although most of them usually have some kind of tenuous link to reality that is then stretched, twisted and extrapolated. This doesn’t seem to have any basis whatsoever
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    Would Vance be worse? He seems to have a bizarre hatred of Ukraine.
    Which is worse?

    Vance having direct power, or Vance having power behind the throne of a blob of orange jelly with a massive ego?

    Not a cheerful thought for a Friday morning, but there you are.
    Vance doesn't have power now and the cult of Trump dies with him
    Wishful thinking. Just wait until Vance marries Erica Kirk in the wedding of the century to become the MAGA anointed ones.
    Nah. The economy will be down the pan with Trumponomics. Plus he's on the wrong side of opening up the Epstein files.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707

    Nigelb said:

    On topic - 25th Amendment to be invoked ?

    Trump: I had an MRI and the result was outstanding.

    Reporter: Was it your brain?

    Trump: I have no idea what they analyzed, but whatever they analyzed, they analyzed it well.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1989514749504360781

    The President is almost 80 so some decline is unsurprising. Notwithstanding occasional brain freezes and speculation about everything from cancer to dementia, my own worthless amateur diagnosis is congestive heart disease, which goes with his obesity, swollen legs, the disguised hand-bruising that might be from insertion of stents. And has he switched from Coke to Diet Coke? The MRI could be for anything.
    He should be telling the American public what the MRI was for. He's clearly in denial about what it was for. (Or just plain bonkrs....)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,140

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament

    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    Deferring all the fiscal pain to the next parliament was the Sunak/Hunt strategy, so perfectly fair game to return the favour.

    The risk is that Labour might win that election, unlikely as that seems. More likely Reform collapses in true "Your Party" style.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,906
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    "They're eating cats and dogs."
    Wasn’t there something like a couple of cats had gone missing from a house that some immigrants lived next to?

    Ie no evidence for the accusation but some sort of event that they could build on
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,267

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    MAGA Republicans are not very well connected to reality.
    True, although most of them usually have some kind of tenuous link to reality that is then stretched, twisted and extrapolated. This doesn’t seem to have any basis whatsoever
    Michelle Obama and Brigitte Marcon are actually men, would be another example of how MAGA conspiracy theories can have zero relationship with reality.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008
    boulay said:

    They played a chunk of an interview with Kemi on Today (approx 6.50am) from a long form with Nick Robinson. She was very engaging, humorous and came across very well. I thought she dealt with his questioning about her budget response tone perfectly.

    If the Tories can resist the idiocy of replacing with Jenrick if results in May aren’t perfect and she gets the chance to really build her profile with the electorate then I think she has a chance of beating reform.

    I think by the next election people will like the no nonsense attitude and I think her attacks on Reform in the clip are the approach to take.

    Other opinions are of course available.

    I am minded to agree. Its taken time for her to find her feet but there have been positive signs recently. At the same time the gloss is coming off Farage more than a bit and he's not getting any younger. Hopefully, by the next election, the populists will have lost some ground back to the centre. I'd wish the same thing to happen between the Greens and Labour too but that is looking less likely right now. The polling for Reeves was truly awful (although no worse than she deserves).
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,267
    TimS said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Out this morning - the Guardian on the latest YP chaos:

    ‘We had six MPs and four factions’: inside Your Party’s toxic power struggles

    At an early meeting to set the path for what would become Your Party, participants quickly agreed on one thing: given the cliches about leftwingers forever falling out, at all costs they must avoid a descent into factionalism.

    Six months on and the Liverpool venue hosting this weekend’s inaugural Your Party conference has been warned to expect potential disruption, including stage invasions by disgruntled members representing particular wings. Extra security guards have been hired.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/28/your-party-rifts-power-struggles-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana

    Even by the standards of fringe parties (see also, all those Re- parties on the right), Your Party is shaping up to be a corker of a fiasco. Any theories as to why it's so bad?

    (Mine, apart from hating SKS not being a solid foundation for any party, is that tech makes it too easy to arrange the surface features of a movement when there's nothing underneath.)
    I suspect it is some combination of divisions over small policy differences that often fixate the far left, the fundamental contradiction between a socially progressive party and a muslim party (note the reference in the article to trans issues already being a flashpoint), and the characters of Corbyn and Sultana being diametrically opposite personalities in almost every respect?

    As a brand new outfit, there is 'everything to fight for' in terms of both its platform and who gets what job and hence where the organisational power lies. And it isn't being formed because of a strong, single imperative (for example the SDP originated from counter-reaction to Labour's opposition to Europe), so they don't have much to unite around other than Gaza.
    The story of Your Party imploding while the Greens enjoy a surge is pretty much identical to Change UK imploding while the Lib Dems surged in 2018-19. Much easier to build from an established foundation and voter brand than create something entirely new.

    UKIP and its successors are the exception, because there wasn’t an established party the populist right could inhabit at the time they first surged (the Conservatives were still officially a pro-EU party).
    Has anyone ever asked the Change UK lot what they thought would happen with the LibDems? Did they think LibDem MPs would flock to Change UK and the party just dissolve itself? Did they think there would just be two centrist parties competing for votes? Did they think they would merge with the LibDems at some later date?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008

    Its Black Friday, and that means the fukers launch their new party black shirt! With a gold pin badge! An arrow pointing to 18/AH!

    Comedy on TwiX as fuker fans try to justify why a black shirt and a gold party badge and 18 are not fascist. We truly are waiting for the worms...

    Coming soon! Hugo Boss leather trenchcoats. And fetching thigh-length leather boots.

    Come on, you know you are tempted by the boots.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,230

    We won't have any pubs left at this rate.

    Pubs on the brain at 7 in the morning. Danger sign.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,645
    "Starmer facing Labour backlash over ‘sellout’ U-turn on employment rights bill – UK politics live"

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/nov/28/workers-rights-bill-unfair-dismissal-uk-politics-latest-news-updates-labour-budget-keir-starmer
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 58,613

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament
    So they’re taking the political hit now, yet not raising any money until well into the future, while also giving people time to plan around the changes.

    Worst of all worlds.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,140
    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    They played a chunk of an interview with Kemi on Today (approx 6.50am) from a long form with Nick Robinson. She was very engaging, humorous and came across very well. I thought she dealt with his questioning about her budget response tone perfectly.

    If the Tories can resist the idiocy of replacing with Jenrick if results in May aren’t perfect and she gets the chance to really build her profile with the electorate then I think she has a chance of beating reform.

    I think by the next election people will like the no nonsense attitude and I think her attacks on Reform in the clip are the approach to take.

    Other opinions are of course available.

    I am minded to agree. Its taken time for her to find her feet but there have been positive signs recently. At the same time the gloss is coming off Farage more than a bit and he's not getting any younger. Hopefully, by the next election, the populists will have lost some ground back to the centre. I'd wish the same thing to happen between the Greens and Labour too but that is looking less likely right now. The polling for Reeves was truly awful (although no worse than she deserves).
    I am unimpressed by Badenoch, but she still has that trump card that won her the leadership. She isn't Bobby J.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,008
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament

    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    Deferring all the fiscal pain to the next parliament was the Sunak/Hunt strategy, so perfectly fair game to return the favour.

    The risk is that Labour might win that election, unlikely as that seems. More likely Reform collapses in true "Your Party" style.
    The really weird thing (well, one of them,) is that Reeves has not postponed the tax raising to the next Parliament but she has end loaded the tax into the latter part of this Parliament. The traditional approach was to squeeze the pips in the early years and then hand out some sweeties as the election approaches. Reeves is doing the reverse which has the attraction of novelty but is poor politics.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,624

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament
    Truss came into office after the Conservatives had been in power for more than a decade - it wasn't as though she won a General Election and became Prime Minister with a mandate - the only one she had was from Conservative Party members.

    To conflate her circumstances with those of Starmer and Reeves is ridiculous.

    If anything, the "slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence" could, if I were callous, be described as Continuity Sunak and Hunt and I agree that's the problem. There is the same timidity among this Labour Government as there was with Blair after 1997 but he inherited (thanks to Ken Clarke) as strong an economy as you could wish and Brown followed Clarke's spending until 1999 when, to general agreement, spending started to rise.

    Reeves has an understand of the enormity of the problem, no doubt, but she is as bereft of solutions as most other western Governments at this time who are likewise struggling with the post-pandemic inheritance of demographic, technological, socio-economic and geopolitical changes, all of which combine to negate economic growth.

    Truss and Kwarteng failed, in part, because their proposals bumped up against people's notion of "fairness" which is not what it was. The perception of encouraging economic growth by making the very wealthy even wealthier and making the poorest and those dependent on Government largesse even poorer might be economically "sound" for growth but it doesn't work politically as all the polling suggests.

    Reeves also faces the economic and political conundrum which, simply put, is you can increase everyone's taxes but not mine and you can cut everyone else's services but not the ones I and my family use. Magnify that by 50-60 million and you have the current Gordian Knot which is strangling politics and economics alike.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,267

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    "They're eating cats and dogs."
    Wasn’t there something like a couple of cats had gone missing from a house that some immigrants lived next to?

    Ie no evidence for the accusation but some sort of event that they could build on
    There was a Facebook post where someone claimed their neighbour said that her daughter's friend's cat went missing and it was then discovered that the Haitians next door had eaten it. The neighbour was tracked down by the media and said that, no, it wasn't her daughter's friend, it was just a rumour she had heard from a friend of a friend. So, it was just people on social media repeating an "urban myth".
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,970

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Stream of dementia-addled consciousness or peristalsis, hard to tell.

    https://x.com/meidastouch/status/1994273599344050523?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What’s that about IIhan Omar marrying her brother?!
    Its a longstanding slur by the alt-right. Omar's husband is really her brother brought to the USA as a fake marriage.
    I figured out that from googling, but it’s just so implausible
    "They're eating cats and dogs."
    Wasn’t there something like a couple of cats had gone missing from a house that some immigrants lived next to?

    Ie no evidence for the accusation but some sort of event that they could build on
    Vance admitting that it was unlikely that Haitians were eating cats and dogs but it was a necessary lie to illustrate the greater truth of the USA being swamped by immigrants tells you all you need to know about MAGA: cynical sociopaths riling up the naive and the deluded.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,707

    We won't have any pubs left at this rate.

    What will you do for venison?
    My local butchers has just had their window Christmas decorated. The design includes a lovely reindeer.

    Whether it is to pull Santa's sleigh or to eat isn't clear.
    I had reindeer in Oslo once, just before Christmas. It came with a single cherry tomato - I assumed to represent Rudolph's nose....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,818

    Roger said:

    I've just listened to the audiobook "The Falll of Boris Johnson" by Sebastian Payne. It simply does what it says on the cover. No great revelations but what it describes is a Party and membership in disarray. It's easy to forget when you watch Starmer and Reeves struggle quite how disfunctional their predecessors were.

    Truss was adored. The right wing press thought she was the Messiah. The Mail doted on her. Crazies like Dorries and Rees Mogg are everywhere. Anyone wishing for a Tory renaissance anytime soon ought to read it.

    Good morning

    The lesson labour should learn is the Tories got rid of Truss in just 6 weeks not an 18 month slow burn of economic tragedy and incompetence delivered by Starmer and Reeves

    I note the markets are expressing concern that because of the back loading of the tax increases towards the next GE the government may attempt to defer the pain until the next parliament



    Truss crashed the markets as she and Kwarteng cut tax but not spending.

    Starmer and Reeves didn't as they funded their increased spending, especially on welfare, with higher taxes, especially on property, savings, shares and private pensions. Even if some of those taxes don't come in until 2029
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