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We need to talk about abolishing the budget – politicalbetting.com

My latest columnIt's time to scrap the BudgetThe annual speculation paralyses the government, business and individualsWhy not just announce policies when they're ready?The Budget carnival has outlived its usefulnessRead here @theipaper: https://t.co/zQDpQZRt4c

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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,821
    edited November 27
    First

    Something to be said for this.

    Perhaps as a continuing plan - Budget as a river, rather than point in time? So the Budget is a continually evolving structure?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,802
    I would keep the Budget. As well as the measures announced it also enables reflection on the state of the economy and the public finances
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 920
    edited November 27
    @Selebian that's not the case with gift aid btw. It's flat rate 'at source' but you can claim the rest back at self assesment (if you can be bothered ofc). Which I agree is bizarre, it makes it cheaper for me to visit things than people on lower rates.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,003
    FPT (as I think it is a useful conversation)
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    Labour in fourth place is, I suspect, something we'll see more frequently in polling, over the next 12 months.

    Social media is full of stories like the one here from the single mom in North London pulling in £6,142 a month (£2,800 wage the rest in benefits) happy she will get more from the state.

    I suspect, in spite the happy clappy ‘isn’t it brilliant’ way it was portrayed on the TV news this is going to go down quite poorly in many parts of the country.

    Cannot see it doing Labour any favours especially as the press seems adept at picking out beneficiary’s who appear anything but deserving for the rage bait.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/skint-pregnant-mum-four-budget-36309267
    Elucidating, without making any judgements, this is the one. It's very much a London article.

    In a good month when UC gives full entitlement, Thea has a total of £6,142.00, from £2,800 in take-home pay and £3,342 in universal credit plus child benefit. Her monthly expenses such as childcare, rent, council tax, energy and food etc are usually around £6000. She says: "So it’s living very much on the edge."

    The strange thing here is that the Benefit Cap does not apply to households earning more than £846 per month after tax. That is, presumably, one of those things designed to encourage people into work.

    That's £40104 per year benefit, and a gross salary of just under £40k for £2800 per month take home. So were she not earning, she would get much less benefit, like £14k less (assuming no adjustments or exemptions, which are usually disability or pension related).

    She will need a 3 bedroom dwelling assuming one child at least over 10 (1 for self, 1 for each sex of children sharing), and be entitled to the appropriate Housing Allowance rate for that, which will be 30th percentile of the market for that type of property, minus rent increases and inflation for however many years it has not been kept up to date (usually updated once every 3-4 years).
    To add an example, in Enfield Borough (one of the lower priced ones in North London) the Housing Allowance is £1690 for a 3 bed need, and £1396 for a 2 bed. You then get that even if the property is larger.

    As a comparison, here in Ashfield (N Notts area), a 3 bed LHA is £585, and 2 bed LHA is £550. Nottingham is £750 and £650. All numbers are per Calendar Month.

    I think the best way to control these costs is to develop a functional housing market, which requires more supply but also never shovelling money at the demand side. That also needs significant reforms, which we have chatted about on PB forever.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 54,131
    Better to have a spring budget. Having it in the autumn is mid tax year so difficult to implement immediately.

    I don't think getting rid entirely is wise, but bringing back budget purdah would be. Its the speculation run riot that is the problem. Yesterday's budget was a bit of a nothing-burger.

    The £26 billion in new taxes (acually mostly years down the line) are a 2% increase in an annual budget of £1 200 billion. It is pretty much a rounding error.
  • On topic:

    Jury service is a goddam nuisance, speaking as someone who's been "called up" twice.

    I've always wanted to do it but never had the chance. Shame you can't volunteer (although I fully understand why it would be a bad idea to allow volunteers who aren't me).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,003

    @Selebian that's not the case with gift aid btw. It's flat rate 'at source' but you can claim the rest back at self assesment (if you can be bothered ofc). Which I agree is bizarre, it makes it cheaper for me to visit things than people on lower rates.

    I think a straightforward answer may be simply to restrict the whole lot to basic rate relief. That would be quite a significant boost to equality, which would fit with "Labour values".
  • I agree - it's distorting.

    It's similar with the way Black Friday, a horrible US import, distorts retail patterns. It's spread widely along with its culture. I heard radio ads for "le Black Friday" in France the other week, not "le vendredi noir".

  • The problem is not the Budget.

    The problem is not the OBR.

    The problem is running permanent budget deficits in the hundreds of billions of pounds and then acting as if all is fine as some artificial rule is being met five years from now, then panicking when anything happens in the next year that throws that off kilter.

    If we were running balanced budgets, with deficits only for swings and roundabouts, countered by budget surpluses also as swings and roundabouts, then the OBR and the rest of the rules malarkey would be moot.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,907
    HYUFD said:

    I would keep the Budget. As well as the measures announced it also enables reflection on the state of the economy and the public finances

    Plus it's a distinct space-time event. You can say what was announced, the date it was announced, and when it is (planned to) come into effect.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,749
    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,749
    Happy Thanksgiving, y’all.
    I shall be eating an elk schnitzel at the Grand Canyon.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,888
    You can drop the budget, but you need to have a finance bill each year.

    Otherwise income tax would expire.

    … hang on a sec… 😏
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,888

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Presumably he thinks that trump wont react as he is distracted by turkey?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,749
    UK expected to scale back plans to limit jury trial, reports FT.

    That was quick.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,821

    You can drop the budget, but you need to have a finance bill each year.

    Otherwise income tax would expire.

    … hang on a sec… 😏

    Next you'll be saying the Napoleonic wars are over.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,631

    Happy Thanksgiving, y’all.
    I shall be eating an elk schnitzel at the Grand Canyon.

    I’ll be having cheese, charcuterie, and excellent homemade sourdough and a couple of Aldi wines recommended by a YouTube sommelier.

    Cowabunga
  • FPT

    Jury service is a goddam nuisance, speaking as someone who's been "called up" twice.
  • I agree - it's distorting.

    It's similar with the way Black Friday, a horrible US import, distorts retail patterns. It's spread widely along with its culture. I heard radio ads for "le Black Friday" in France the other week, not "le vendredi noir".

    I'm all for Asian Friday :lol:
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,228

    I agree - it's distorting.

    It's similar with the way Black Friday, a horrible US import, distorts retail patterns. It's spread widely along with its culture. I heard radio ads for "le Black Friday" in France the other week, not "le vendredi noir".

    It is confusing. Are we celebrating the 1912 day of police brutality during a general strike in Brisbane Black Friday by having sales, or are we celebrating the 1978 Iranian massacre of protesters Black Friday by having sales? There are a lot of Black Fridays out there! Wikipedia lists 31 of them.
  • Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    The irony meter just exploded!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,228

    I agree - it's distorting.

    It's similar with the way Black Friday, a horrible US import, distorts retail patterns. It's spread widely along with its culture. I heard radio ads for "le Black Friday" in France the other week, not "le vendredi noir".

    It is confusing. Are we celebrating the 1912 day of police brutality during a general strike in Brisbane Black Friday by having sales, or are we celebrating the 1978 Iranian massacre of protesters Black Friday by having sales? There are a lot of Black Fridays out there! Wikipedia lists 31 of them.
    Although this one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story#Production_shutdown , doesn’t really compare with most of them…
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,631

    I agree - it's distorting.

    It's similar with the way Black Friday, a horrible US import, distorts retail patterns. It's spread widely along with its culture. I heard radio ads for "le Black Friday" in France the other week, not "le vendredi noir".

    It is confusing. Are we celebrating the 1912 day of police brutality during a general strike in Brisbane Black Friday by having sales, or are we celebrating the 1978 Iranian massacre of protesters Black Friday by having sales? There are a lot of Black Fridays out there! Wikipedia lists 31 of them.
    Although this one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story#Production_shutdown , doesn’t really compare with most of them…
    I doubt they care.

    Black Friday now seems to apply for weeks !!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,821
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Blimey. I missed in the Budget that DfE will take over all council's SEND spending from 2028.

    £6b a year Guardian is saying.

    That's a really interesting move, and it's one area where there should be room for considerable savings.

    In my neck of the woods, taxis are almost impossible to get at school run time because they are al transporting pupils. If for example I have a hospital appointment involving eye drops (so can't drive), and for some reason I don't want to cycle (eg it would be the no-suspension Brompton over the moonscape in my lane) then it is no taxi between 8:15am and 9:5am, for example.

    If there was a major push on "safe routes to schools" (which means relentlessly for 10-20 years), so kids could cycle, wheel or walk safely, that could be reduced, plus there would be the mental health benefits of 15-45 minutes outdoor exercise morning and evening *.

    "From 2028" sounds as if there will need to be some serious policy co-ordination with the new Councils coming in around then.

    * We have the research for this; it is one reason why active travel projects have such better returns than road projects.
    Yet the claim that buses for such schools continue.

    Despite the fact that they are common around the world. And even exist for many schools, including SEND specialists.

    Years ago, my ex at the time had a child with developmental issues. The child adored her school bus - found the certainty of it as a part of her day appealing,
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,228

    I agree - it's distorting.

    It's similar with the way Black Friday, a horrible US import, distorts retail patterns. It's spread widely along with its culture. I heard radio ads for "le Black Friday" in France the other week, not "le vendredi noir".

    It is confusing. Are we celebrating the 1912 day of police brutality during a general strike in Brisbane Black Friday by having sales, or are we celebrating the 1978 Iranian massacre of protesters Black Friday by having sales? There are a lot of Black Fridays out there! Wikipedia lists 31 of them.
    Although this one, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story#Production_shutdown , doesn’t really compare with most of them…
    What was the most deadly event called Black Friday? 2014 and it’s back to Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(bombing_campaign)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,888

    You can drop the budget, but you need to have a finance bill each year.

    Otherwise income tax would expire.

    … hang on a sec… 😏

    Next you'll be saying the Napoleonic wars are over.
    Peace with France? WTF? Who did that!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,228

    You can drop the budget, but you need to have a finance bill each year.

    Otherwise income tax would expire.

    … hang on a sec… 😏

    Next you'll be saying the Napoleonic wars are over.
    Peace with France? WTF? Who did that!
    England and France agree to withdraw to the 1337 borders…
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,363
    Keep the Budget. Let's just try not to hyperventilate about it so much. Difficult I know when there is a Labour government which is an affront to the natural order of things and so obviously any right-thinking chap is going to want to speculate about a potential slaughter of the first born policy or view a small council tax surcharge as some kind of attack on our very liberty as free born Englishmen. But let's try, eh?
  • PJHPJH Posts: 977
    MattW said:

    FPT (as I think it is a useful conversation)

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Sean_F said:

    Labour in fourth place is, I suspect, something we'll see more frequently in polling, over the next 12 months.

    Social media is full of stories like the one here from the single mom in North London pulling in £6,142 a month (£2,800 wage the rest in benefits) happy she will get more from the state.

    I suspect, in spite the happy clappy ‘isn’t it brilliant’ way it was portrayed on the TV news this is going to go down quite poorly in many parts of the country.

    Cannot see it doing Labour any favours especially as the press seems adept at picking out beneficiary’s who appear anything but deserving for the rage bait.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/skint-pregnant-mum-four-budget-36309267
    Elucidating, without making any judgements, this is the one. It's very much a London article.

    In a good month when UC gives full entitlement, Thea has a total of £6,142.00, from £2,800 in take-home pay and £3,342 in universal credit plus child benefit. Her monthly expenses such as childcare, rent, council tax, energy and food etc are usually around £6000. She says: "So it’s living very much on the edge."

    The strange thing here is that the Benefit Cap does not apply to households earning more than £846 per month after tax. That is, presumably, one of those things designed to encourage people into work.

    That's £40104 per year benefit, and a gross salary of just under £40k for £2800 per month take home. So were she not earning, she would get much less benefit, like £14k less (assuming no adjustments or exemptions, which are usually disability or pension related).

    She will need a 3 bedroom dwelling assuming one child at least over 10 (1 for self, 1 for each sex of children sharing), and be entitled to the appropriate Housing Allowance rate for that, which will be 30th percentile of the market for that type of property, minus rent increases and inflation for however many years it has not been kept up to date (usually updated once every 3-4 years).
    To add an example, in Enfield Borough (one of the lower priced ones in North London) the Housing Allowance is £1690 for a 3 bed need, and £1396 for a 2 bed. You then get that even if the property is larger.

    As a comparison, here in Ashfield (N Notts area), a 3 bed LHA is £585, and 2 bed LHA is £550. Nottingham is £750 and £650. All numbers are per Calendar Month.

    I think the best way to control these costs is to develop a functional housing market, which requires more supply but also never shovelling money at the demand side. That also needs significant reforms, which we have chatted about on PB forever.
    On the one hand this example seems outrageous, but on the other hand I can believe it.

    When my wife left me a few years ago I discovered that I didn't earn enough (on about £70k at the time) to be able to rent where I live, in a similarly priced part of outer London, and have enough left over to support two teenage girls, who stayed with me. Children are expensive.

    I should have gone for a much easier job on half the salary. Never thought of that!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,821

    Keep the Budget. Let's just try not to hyperventilate about it so much. Difficult I know when there is a Labour government which is an affront to the natural order of things and so obviously any right-thinking chap is going to want to speculate about a potential slaughter of the first born policy or view a small council tax surcharge as some kind of attack on our very liberty as free born Englishmen. But let's try, eh?

    Ah yes


  • TresTres Posts: 3,232
    There is no good reason to have it in November and it is completely within the gift of the Government to change it if they choose to. In the past it made more sense for a big announcement in March just before the end of the tax year.
  • You can drop the budget, but you need to have a finance bill each year.

    Otherwise income tax would expire.

    … hang on a sec… 😏

    Next you'll be saying the Napoleonic wars are over.
    Peace with France? WTF? Who did that!
    England and France agree to withdraw to the 1337 borders…
    1420 shurely?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 69,067
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Blimey. I missed in the Budget that DfE will take over all council's SEND spending from 2028.

    £6b a year Guardian is saying.

    That's a really interesting move, and it's one area where there should be room for considerable savings.

    In my neck of the woods, taxis are almost impossible to get at school run time because they are al transporting pupils. If for example I have a hospital appointment involving eye drops (so can't drive), and for some reason I don't want to cycle (eg it would be the no-suspension Brompton over the moonscape in my lane) then it is no taxi between 8:15am and 9:5am, for example.

    If there was a major push on "safe routes to schools" (which means relentlessly for 10-20 years), so kids could cycle, wheel or walk safely, that could be reduced, plus there would be the mental health benefits of 15-45 minutes outdoor exercise morning and evening *.

    "From 2028" sounds as if there will need to be some serious policy co-ordination with the new Councils coming in around then.

    * We have the research for this; it is one reason why active travel projects have such better returns than road projects.
    I just don't understand the whole taxi thing.

    Nobody got a taxi to school when I was a kid forty odd years ago.

    You would have been bullied to near death if you arrived each morning in a taxi.

    I guess we really are in another generation...
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,844
    edited November 27
    Seen this on the BBC budget commentary today - which suggests larger changes to Motobility than Reeves mentioned in the speech - and I think in-line with the comments that have been being made here passim.

    "What you may have missed yesterday - because, indeed, the chancellor did not actually spell it out in her speech - is that she is bringing in some significant changes to the Motability scheme: Not just banning so-called ‘luxury’ cars - which she did mention - but lifting the tax exemption on the insurance included in the lease and adding VAT to the advanced payment a disabled customer may have to pay on a vehicle."

    (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8vz032qgpt)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,751



    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Blimey. I missed in the Budget that DfE will take over all council's SEND spending from 2028.

    £6b a year Guardian is saying.

    That's a really interesting move, and it's one area where there should be room for considerable savings.

    In my neck of the woods, taxis are almost impossible to get at school run time because they are al transporting pupils. If for example I have a hospital appointment involving eye drops (so can't drive), and for some reason I don't want to cycle (eg it would be the no-suspension Brompton over the moonscape in my lane) then it is no taxi between 8:15am and 9:5am, for example.

    If there was a major push on "safe routes to schools" (which means relentlessly for 10-20 years), so kids could cycle, wheel or walk safely, that could be reduced, plus there would be the mental health benefits of 15-45 minutes outdoor exercise morning and evening *.

    "From 2028" sounds as if there will need to be some serious policy co-ordination with the new Councils coming in around then.

    * We have the research for this; it is one reason why active travel projects have such better returns than road projects.
    I just don't understand the whole taxi thing.

    Nobody got a taxi to school when I was a kid forty odd years ago.

    You would have been bullied to near death if you arrived each morning in a taxi.

    I guess we really are in another generation...
    They didn't have so many special schools and most were boarding anyway, maybe?

    Most such children just sat at the back of the class in the local school.

    And there were a lot more local schools ...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,821

    You can drop the budget, but you need to have a finance bill each year.

    Otherwise income tax would expire.

    … hang on a sec… 😏

    Next you'll be saying the Napoleonic wars are over.
    Peace with France? WTF? Who did that!
    England and France agree to withdraw to the 1337 borders…
    1420 shurely?
    Yes - high time to force the Treaty of Troyes.

    International law is paramount, yes?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,202

    UK expected to scale back plans to limit jury trial, reports FT.

    That was quick.

    Scaling 5 year Lammy back to 3 year Leveson?
  • Keep the Budget. Let's just try not to hyperventilate about it so much. Difficult I know when there is a Labour government which is an affront to the natural order of things and so obviously any right-thinking chap is going to want to speculate about a potential slaughter of the first born policy or view a small council tax surcharge as some kind of attack on our very liberty as free born Englishmen. But let's try, eh?

    Impose a 6 week purdah on it
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,821



    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Blimey. I missed in the Budget that DfE will take over all council's SEND spending from 2028.

    £6b a year Guardian is saying.

    That's a really interesting move, and it's one area where there should be room for considerable savings.

    In my neck of the woods, taxis are almost impossible to get at school run time because they are al transporting pupils. If for example I have a hospital appointment involving eye drops (so can't drive), and for some reason I don't want to cycle (eg it would be the no-suspension Brompton over the moonscape in my lane) then it is no taxi between 8:15am and 9:5am, for example.

    If there was a major push on "safe routes to schools" (which means relentlessly for 10-20 years), so kids could cycle, wheel or walk safely, that could be reduced, plus there would be the mental health benefits of 15-45 minutes outdoor exercise morning and evening *.

    "From 2028" sounds as if there will need to be some serious policy co-ordination with the new Councils coming in around then.

    * We have the research for this; it is one reason why active travel projects have such better returns than road projects.
    I just don't understand the whole taxi thing.

    Nobody got a taxi to school when I was a kid forty odd years ago.

    You would have been bullied to near death if you arrived each morning in a taxi.

    I guess we really are in another generation...
    In my experience, kids love school buses, if they are available.

    When I was in Cornwall, a while back, a local taxi company was at saturation with school run requests. Not enough drivers, turning away enquiries etc. So the owner rented (and then bought) a big van converted (properly) into a mini bus. Then another….
  • PoodleInASlipstreamPoodleInASlipstream Posts: 606
    edited November 27
    MattW said:

    In my neck of the woods, taxis are almost impossible to get at school run time because they are al transporting pupils. If for example I have a hospital appointment involving eye drops (so can't drive), and for some reason I don't want to cycle (eg it would be the no-suspension Brompton over the moonscape in my lane) then it is no taxi between 8:15am and 9:5am, for example.

    Yes, I've run into that myself. Got out of the eye clinic one afternoon after getting dilation drops, tried to phone a taxi to be told none available because they're all doing school trips. Took two buses and a train to get home.

    I understand some kids with special needs will require individual transport, but surely most can just get on a damn bus like I used to have to do.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,003
    For anyone in the National Residential Landlords Association (NRLA), there's a webinar tomorrow about the budget at 11:00 to 12:00am.

    Register here: https://events.nrla.org.uk/event/dc723881-d076-4f89-b015-dde0038deef9/summary?locale=en-US

    (The general commentary is that the income tax change of +2% will add £20-£40 to monthly rentals in England, dependent on location. To my eye that is based on cost pass-through)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,202

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    I suppose he just means "Ukraine".
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,843
    Nigelb said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

    Well they consider Ukraine to be Russian Territory so demanding no Ukrainian troops.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,631

    You can drop the budget, but you need to have a finance bill each year.

    Otherwise income tax would expire.

    … hang on a sec… 😏

    Next you'll be saying the Napoleonic wars are over.
    Peace with France? WTF? Who did that!
    England and France agree to withdraw to the 1337 borders…
    1420 shurely?
    Yes - high time to force the Treaty of Troyes.

    International law is paramount, yes?
    A mate of mine, the banana lover, got married in Troyes.

    Went over. Great place and the local plonk is decent
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,228
    Nigelb said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

    He means Luhansk and Donetsk, which voted in a completely fair 2014 referendum that no-one can possibly question to join Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,003
    Carnyx said:



    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Blimey. I missed in the Budget that DfE will take over all council's SEND spending from 2028.

    £6b a year Guardian is saying.

    That's a really interesting move, and it's one area where there should be room for considerable savings.

    In my neck of the woods, taxis are almost impossible to get at school run time because they are al transporting pupils. If for example I have a hospital appointment involving eye drops (so can't drive), and for some reason I don't want to cycle (eg it would be the no-suspension Brompton over the moonscape in my lane) then it is no taxi between 8:15am and 9:5am, for example.

    If there was a major push on "safe routes to schools" (which means relentlessly for 10-20 years), so kids could cycle, wheel or walk safely, that could be reduced, plus there would be the mental health benefits of 15-45 minutes outdoor exercise morning and evening *.

    "From 2028" sounds as if there will need to be some serious policy co-ordination with the new Councils coming in around then.

    * We have the research for this; it is one reason why active travel projects have such better returns than road projects.
    I just don't understand the whole taxi thing.

    Nobody got a taxi to school when I was a kid forty odd years ago.

    You would have been bullied to near death if you arrived each morning in a taxi.

    I guess we really are in another generation...
    They didn't have so many special schools and most were boarding anyway, maybe?

    Most such children just sat at the back of the class in the local school.

    And there were a lot more local schools ...
    There were (in England at least) far more special schools back then (meaning 1970s).

    Down here, the policy has been for decades to encourage integration. I'm not sure when the trend switched - it could have been as far back as the 1980s.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,003
    kinabalu said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    I suppose he just means "Ukraine".
    He'll mean the bits that he "annexed" to Russia, surely? That is, the 4 provinces (oblasts? counties?).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,821
    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:



    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Blimey. I missed in the Budget that DfE will take over all council's SEND spending from 2028.

    £6b a year Guardian is saying.

    That's a really interesting move, and it's one area where there should be room for considerable savings.

    In my neck of the woods, taxis are almost impossible to get at school run time because they are al transporting pupils. If for example I have a hospital appointment involving eye drops (so can't drive), and for some reason I don't want to cycle (eg it would be the no-suspension Brompton over the moonscape in my lane) then it is no taxi between 8:15am and 9:5am, for example.

    If there was a major push on "safe routes to schools" (which means relentlessly for 10-20 years), so kids could cycle, wheel or walk safely, that could be reduced, plus there would be the mental health benefits of 15-45 minutes outdoor exercise morning and evening *.

    "From 2028" sounds as if there will need to be some serious policy co-ordination with the new Councils coming in around then.

    * We have the research for this; it is one reason why active travel projects have such better returns than road projects.
    I just don't understand the whole taxi thing.

    Nobody got a taxi to school when I was a kid forty odd years ago.

    You would have been bullied to near death if you arrived each morning in a taxi.

    I guess we really are in another generation...
    They didn't have so many special schools and most were boarding anyway, maybe?

    Most such children just sat at the back of the class in the local school.

    And there were a lot more local schools ...
    There were (in England at least) far more special schools back then (meaning 1970s).

    Down here, the policy has been for decades to encourage integration. I'm not sure when the trend switched - it could have been as far back as the 1980s.
    It was a social policy.

    Some may remember a campaign by an aggrieved father, during the Coaltion years, so that his son (and others) be sent to a “normal” school.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840

    Nigelb said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

    He means Luhansk and Donetsk, which voted in a completely fair 2014 referendum that no-one can possibly question to join Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums
    Well he can shove that up his fundament.
  • MattW said:

    kinabalu said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    I suppose he just means "Ukraine".
    He'll mean the bits that he "annexed" to Russia, surely? That is, the 4 provinces (oblasts? counties?).
    Maybe he means the small part of Russia occupied by Ukraine (part of Kursk Oblast).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,202
    edited November 27
    MattW said:

    kinabalu said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    I suppose he just means "Ukraine".
    He'll mean the bits that he "annexed" to Russia, surely? That is, the 4 provinces (oblasts? counties?).
    Yes, I was just joking. Although he does consider Ukraine in its entirety to be a phony construct and rather an impertinence.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,511
    Nigelb said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

    They annexed Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia under Russian law although they don't currently occupy all of it, so he's saying that Ukraine should give up more territory.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,487

    Nigelb said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

    They annexed Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia under Russian law although they don't currently occupy all of it, so he's saying that Ukraine should give up more territory.
    Indeed: and he's trying to frame it in a way that means that Trump goes "well that sounds like a reasonable request. ooohhh... cookies"
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,631

    Nigelb said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

    They annexed Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia under Russian law although they don't currently occupy all of it, so he's saying that Ukraine should give up more territory.
    Two words, second off.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,003
    edited November 27

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:



    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Blimey. I missed in the Budget that DfE will take over all council's SEND spending from 2028.

    £6b a year Guardian is saying.

    That's a really interesting move, and it's one area where there should be room for considerable savings.

    In my neck of the woods, taxis are almost impossible to get at school run time because they are al transporting pupils. If for example I have a hospital appointment involving eye drops (so can't drive), and for some reason I don't want to cycle (eg it would be the no-suspension Brompton over the moonscape in my lane) then it is no taxi between 8:15am and 9:5am, for example.

    If there was a major push on "safe routes to schools" (which means relentlessly for 10-20 years), so kids could cycle, wheel or walk safely, that could be reduced, plus there would be the mental health benefits of 15-45 minutes outdoor exercise morning and evening *.

    "From 2028" sounds as if there will need to be some serious policy co-ordination with the new Councils coming in around then.

    * We have the research for this; it is one reason why active travel projects have such better returns than road projects.
    I just don't understand the whole taxi thing.

    Nobody got a taxi to school when I was a kid forty odd years ago.

    You would have been bullied to near death if you arrived each morning in a taxi.

    I guess we really are in another generation...
    They didn't have so many special schools and most were boarding anyway, maybe?

    Most such children just sat at the back of the class in the local school.

    And there were a lot more local schools ...
    There were (in England at least) far more special schools back then (meaning 1970s).

    Down here, the policy has been for decades to encourage integration. I'm not sure when the trend switched - it could have been as far back as the 1980s.
    It was a social policy.

    Some may remember a campaign by an aggrieved father, during the Coaltion years, so that his son (and others) be sent to a “normal” school.
    Reading the history there have been swings both ways, 2001 Education Act in England encouraged inclusion in mainstream schools (there are two groups here - Disabled and SEN which are not entirely coterminus). But things like worrying about league tables helped reverse the trend to an extent.

    I first ran into these questions when I was very young, and my mum was Head Physio at a special school.

    The trend to a "you are part of society, not something else" approach to disability has its roots in national policy back in the 1980s. That is adopting the "social model" of disability, not the "medical model". An simple example would be "make transport systems usable by everyone" rather than "get them a special taxi".

    For background.
    https://www.specialneedsjungle.com/disability-history-inclusive-education-reality/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,511
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

    They annexed Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia under Russian law although they don't currently occupy all of it, so he's saying that Ukraine should give up more territory.
    Indeed: and he's trying to frame it in a way that means that Trump goes "well that sounds like a reasonable request. ooohhh... cookies"
    It might give him ideas. He could make Canada the 51st state unilaterally and then arrest their military.
  • Nigelb said:

    Putin appears to be giving a speech rejecting any deal with Zelensky and that no peace is possible unless Ukraine withdraws its troops from Russian territory.

    Wut ?

    They annexed Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia under Russian law although they don't currently occupy all of it, so he's saying that Ukraine should give up more territory.
    Ukraine has occupied a small bit of Kursk Oblast over the years.
  • Obviously we are not getting rid of the budget, nor should we.

    However the incessant briefing for months in advance of this one, was incredibly damaging to UK PLC. As far as I can tell it was with the connivance of Reeves and Treasury for political reasons.

    A shameful way to operate.

    This article highlighted in the header is interesting: https://www.politico.eu/article/inside-the-uk-great-budget-guessing-game/ Ultimately what is HMT supposed to do? If they don't prepare the pitch you risk the markets having an allergic reaction. If you don't respond to speculation then folk think something is going to happen that isn't.

    In some ways this years Budget is a victim of its timing. I think it is about as late as can be as HMT wanted OBR to produce a forecast that took into account some of the recent changes - in essence they were hoping to get a bit more "headroom." That meant there was a long time between conference season and the budget, and lots of journalists with very little to write about. So you had the endless cycle of telegraph "exclusive" - which as we know largely turned out to largely be way off beam.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,631
    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,751
    edited November 27
    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Been discusse don the last thread.

    Nothing to do with the budget as far as I can see. Just normal rates reassessments plus no more covid relief.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,349

    I agree - it's distorting.

    It's similar with the way Black Friday, a horrible US import, distorts retail patterns. It's spread widely along with its culture. I heard radio ads for "le Black Friday" in France the other week, not "le vendredi noir".

    I'm all for Asian Friday :lol:
    What would that entail? I'm up for a curry!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Actually, it sees its rates payable go up from somewhere around £9000 in 2023, to c. £31,600 next year.

    Last year it would have been around £22,000.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Been discusse don the last thread.

    Nothing to do with the budget as far as I can see. Just normal rates reassessments plus no more covid relief.
    The decision to fully withdraw that relief was effectively part of the budget, TBF.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,751
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Been discusse don the last thread.

    Nothing to do with the budget as far as I can see. Just normal rates reassessments plus no more covid relief.
    The decision to fully withdraw that relief was effectively part of the budget, TBF.
    That late? Thanks, I didn't realise.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,989

    Obviously we are not getting rid of the budget, nor should we.

    However the incessant briefing for months in advance of this one, was incredibly damaging to UK PLC. As far as I can tell it was with the connivance of Reeves and Treasury for political reasons.

    A shameful way to operate.

    It never used to be as bad as this. Usually one or two policies would leak a few days in advance but Labour have got themselves into a state of saying "taxes will go up" then not saying which ones so it begins a press parade of speculation, leaks from the government, leaks from MPs, leaks from the OBR/Treasury and it all turns into a shit show of companies scaling back investment, HNWs leaving the country and people taking advance action to avoid taxes that might never materialise but once into an avoidance scheme few people leave them.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,989
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Actually, it sees its rates payable go up from somewhere around £9000 in 2023, to c. £31,600 next year.

    Last year it would have been around £22,000.
    Plus 5-7% on the wage bill to cover the new minimum wage rise. More young people out of work I think. This government is a disaster.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Been discusse don the last thread.

    Nothing to do with the budget as far as I can see. Just normal rates reassessments plus no more covid relief.
    The decision to fully withdraw that relief was effectively part of the budget, TBF.
    That late? Thanks, I didn't realise.
    It was always due to end in March next year, but the hope was that it would be extended.
    The budget extinguished that hope, hence my "effectively" comment.

    The new full rates charges for RHL properties come in from April next year, I think.
    (At the same time the multiplier will be reduced from 49.9 p to 43p.)
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,631
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Been discusse don the last thread.

    Nothing to do with the budget as far as I can see. Just normal rates reassessments plus no more covid relief.
    I do apologise for being out but not seeing it. But I had a lovely walk at Gibside.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,751
    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Been discusse don the last thread.

    Nothing to do with the budget as far as I can see. Just normal rates reassessments plus no more covid relief.
    I do apologise for being out but not seeing it. But I had a lovely walk at Gibside.
    Very sensible.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,540
    Does anyone do a 12 month budget in their personal life?
    I don't. I have a six month rolling forecast and decide what I can afford as I go along.
    I think the government should have a five year rolling forecast, updated monthly, with adjustments in forward spending and tax as required to keep within fiscal rules.
    It's like driving a car. You make adjustments as you go along depending on what turns up and what you can see ahead of you.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Good.

    Senior officials in the Trump Administration believe that the leaked call in October between U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top foreign policy aide, Yuri Ushakov, that was published in an article yesterday by Bloomberg, was recorded and leaked to the news organization by a foreign intelligence agency - likely one based in Europe - that was targeting a phone utilized by Ushakov, according to the Wall Street Journal.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1993898531510472921

    Our intelligence services aren't useless, after all.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,540
    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    Hopefully this will fire up Trump.
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,631
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Been discusse don the last thread.

    Nothing to do with the budget as far as I can see. Just normal rates reassessments plus no more covid relief.
    I do apologise for being out but not seeing it. But I had a lovely walk at Gibside.
    Very sensible.
    It was awful yesterday but the weather today has been lovely. It was around 11 degrees. Lovely weather for a walk
  • glwglw Posts: 10,629
    Nigelb said:

    Good.

    Senior officials in the Trump Administration believe that the leaked call in October between U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top foreign policy aide, Yuri Ushakov, that was published in an article yesterday by Bloomberg, was recorded and leaked to the news organization by a foreign intelligence agency - likely one based in Europe - that was targeting a phone utilized by Ushakov, according to the Wall Street Journal.
    https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1993898531510472921

    Our intelligence services aren't useless, after all.

    Ha ha! So we are about to get sanctioned by Trump for spying on Russia?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Barnesian said:

    Does anyone do a 12 month budget in their personal life?
    I don't. I have a six month rolling forecast and decide what I can afford as I go along.
    I think the government should have a five year rolling forecast, updated monthly, with adjustments in forward spending and tax as required to keep within fiscal rules.
    It's like driving a car. You make adjustments as you go along depending on what turns up and what you can see ahead of you.

    How many times a year do you want government to fiddle with taxes, though ?

    The budget is largely irrelevant most years to altering the shape of the economy (though there are exceptions), and it's particularly irrelevant this year, but it, or something very like it is an administrative necessity, I think ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,631
    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    If true Trump needs to realise he’s being dicked about and tell Putin to swivel
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    Hopefully this will fire up Trump.
    For all of 24 hours, at best.

    The guy now has the attention span and memory of a gnat, so is to a large extent the plaything of the last administration member who saw him and managed to tickle the right set of baked in prejudices.

    Which is why Witkoff's piece of treachery with the Russians was so effective.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,739
    edited November 27
    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    Look, I'm not taking that little squirt Putin seriously unless he demands all of:

    Ukraine
    Belarus
    Moldova
    Estonia
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Georgia
    Armenia
    Azerbaijan
    Turkmenistan
    Uzbekistan
    Kazakhstan
    Tajikistan
    Kyrgyzstan
    Alaska (Russian till 1867)
    Finland (Russian till 1918)
    The central part Poland (Congress Poland*, Russian till 1918)

    * approximating to today's Voivodeships (regions) of Mazovia, Podlachia, Lodz, almost all of Lublin, and parts of: Warmia-Masuria (tiny bit), Kuyavia_Pomerania, Great Poland, Opole (tiny part), Silesia, Little Poland, and Carpathian Foothills (tiny part).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    If true Trump needs to realise he’s being dicked about and tell Putin to swivel
    Since he's surrounded very largely by individuals hostile to Ukraine, from the VP down, that is extremely unlikely.
    Rubio, for all his faults, seems to be one of the few senior members of the administration still with some sort of commitment to European security,
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,228

    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    Look, I'm not taking that little squirt Putin seriously unless he demands all of:

    Ukraine
    Belarus
    Moldova
    Estonia
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Georgia
    Armenia
    Azerbaijan
    Turkmenistan
    Uzbekistan
    Kazakhstan
    Tajikistan
    Kyrgyzstan
    Alaska (Russian till 1867)
    Finland (Russian till 1918)
    The central part Poland (Congress Poland*, Russian till 1918)

    * approximating to today's Voivodeships (regions) of Mazovia, Podlachia, Lodz, almost all of Lublin, and parts of: Warmia-Masuria (tiny bit), Kuyavia_Pomerania, Great Poland, Opole (tiny part), Silesia, Little Poland, and Carpathian Foothills (tiny part).
    What about that chunk of Iran they effectively controlled in the early '40s?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,284

    On topic:

    Jury service is a goddam nuisance, speaking as someone who's been "called up" twice.

    I've always wanted to do it but never had the chance. Shame you can't volunteer (although I fully understand why it would be a bad idea to allow volunteers who aren't me).
    I’ve done one Sheriff Court trial that collapsed halfway through and one harrowing decades in the past rape trial and both were an education. I’d still support the fullest involvement of jury trials and participate without reservation if called again.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Visit England’s best pub of 2024 sees its business rates go up from £18K to £73.5K

    Well done Rachel.

    Growth agenda

    https://x.com/laraincornwall/status/1993749174404444230?s=61

    Actually, it sees its rates payable go up from somewhere around £9000 in 2023, to c. £31,600 next year.

    Last year it would have been around £22,000.
    Plus 5-7% on the wage bill to cover the new minimum wage rise. More young people out of work I think. This government is a disaster.
    Just be grateful they didn't bring in the proposed new landfill tax.

    This government is a huge disappointment to anyone who had any great hopes for it (not really me), but it's not yet a full on disaster.
    I can see that pub landlords would disagree, of course.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,363

    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    Look, I'm not taking that little squirt Putin seriously unless he demands all of:

    Ukraine
    Belarus
    Moldova
    Estonia
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Georgia
    Armenia
    Azerbaijan
    Turkmenistan
    Uzbekistan
    Kazakhstan
    Tajikistan
    Kyrgyzstan
    Alaska (Russian till 1867)
    Finland (Russian till 1918)
    The central part Poland (Congress Poland*, Russian till 1918)

    * approximating to today's Voivodeships (regions) of Mazovia, Podlachia, Lodz, almost all of Lublin, and parts of: Warmia-Masuria (tiny bit), Kuyavia_Pomerania, Great Poland, Opole (tiny part), Silesia, Little Poland, and Carpathian Foothills (tiny part).
    What about that chunk of Iran they effectively controlled in the early '40s?
    I can't really get my head around the Russian attitude. They already have literally the largest country in the world. And they can't run that with any degree of competence! Why don't they just stick to what they have, maybe try to run it a bit better so its population isn't in terminal decline, the few remaining people perpetually drunk and depressed. Once they manage that maybe we can talk about handing over chunks of other people's countries for them to fuck up.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    Hopefully this will fire up Trump.
    For all of 24 hours, at best.

    The guy now has the attention span and memory of a gnat, so is to a large extent the plaything of the last administration member who saw him and managed to tickle the right set of baked in prejudices.

    Which is why Witkoff's piece of treachery with the Russians was so effective.
    Actually, he's now in Florida for Thanksgiving, so will have no memory of any of it by Monday.

    Trump departed for Florida without taking questions, amid breaking news that leaked phone calls are throwing scrutiny on Witkoff’s pro-Kremlin positions.
    https://x.com/ralakbar/status/1993457284761223598
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,423
    edited November 27
    HYUFD said:

    I would keep the Budget. As well as the measures announced it also enables reflection on the state of the economy and the public finances

    A very rare piece of wisdom from our HY. Plus, it keeps a lot of economic speculation out of the news, enabling politicians to say “wait for the budget” whenever they are pressed about plans for tax and spend. Do we really want the recent pre-budget shitshow all year round?

    Plus, as our country continues to throw away its hard influence among the world’s major powers, being able to stage a spectacle remains our USP. Thankfully I will be long gone by the time we’ve sunk to becoming merely a theme park that Americans and Asians will visit to watch us performing our funny rituals in funny costumes.
  • The problem is not the Budget.

    The problem is not the OBR.

    The problem is running permanent budget deficits in the hundreds of billions of pounds and then acting as if all is fine as some artificial rule is being met five years from now, then panicking when anything happens in the next year that throws that off kilter.

    If we were running balanced budgets, with deficits only for swings and roundabouts, countered by budget surpluses also as swings and roundabouts, then the OBR and the rest of the rules malarkey would be moot.

    Balanced budgets are not really a British thing. The left would want more spending and the right would be agitating for tax cuts.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,632
    Three cheers for the Australian Labor government which has banned social media for the under-16s. The best thing that's happened for a long time imo.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crrkw1p14eqo
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,840
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    If true Trump needs to realise he’s being dicked about and tell Putin to swivel
    Since he's surrounded very largely by individuals hostile to Ukraine, from the VP down, that is extremely unlikely.
    Rubio, for all his faults, seems to be one of the few senior members of the administration still with some sort of commitment to European security,
    I take it back about Rubio.

    BREAKING: Rubio Announces Bold New Strategy, Says Ukraine Must Reach Peace Before Receiving the One Thing That Would Help Them Reach Peace

    Politico reports that Marco Rubio has informed European allies that the United States wants a peace deal before offering any security guarantee to Ukraine, a plan experts describe as “giving someone a parachute after they hit the ground.”

    Diplomats were left blinking in confusion as Rubio explained that Ukraine must first negotiate a peace agreement without the security guarantee that is literally the entire reason anyone signs a security guarantee...

    https://x.com/Microinteracti1/status/1993930142993805594
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 17,228
    Andy_JS said:

    Three cheers for the Australian Labor government which has banned social media for the under-16s. The best thing that's happened for a long time imo.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crrkw1p14eqo

    The European Parliament is calling for the same: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/26/social-media-ban-under-16s-european-parliament-resolution
  • Nigelb said:

    Putin says it’s impossible from a legal standpoint to sign any agreement with Ukraine because it doesn’t have a legitimate government. There we go again.
    https://x.com/yarotrof/status/1994062033684152808

    Look, I'm not taking that little squirt Putin seriously unless he demands all of:

    Ukraine
    Belarus
    Moldova
    Estonia
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Georgia
    Armenia
    Azerbaijan
    Turkmenistan
    Uzbekistan
    Kazakhstan
    Tajikistan
    Kyrgyzstan
    Alaska (Russian till 1867)
    Finland (Russian till 1918)
    The central part Poland (Congress Poland*, Russian till 1918)

    * approximating to today's Voivodeships (regions) of Mazovia, Podlachia, Lodz, almost all of Lublin, and parts of: Warmia-Masuria (tiny bit), Kuyavia_Pomerania, Great Poland, Opole (tiny part), Silesia, Little Poland, and Carpathian Foothills (tiny part).
    What about that chunk of Iran they effectively controlled in the early '40s?
    Iranian Azerbaijan and Iranian Kurdistan? Well, they weren't officially part of the Soviet Union, and Iranian forces recaptured the area by 1946.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,423

    On topic:

    Jury service is a goddam nuisance, speaking as someone who's been "called up" twice.

    I've always wanted to do it but never had the chance. Shame you can't volunteer (although I fully understand why it would be a bad idea to allow volunteers who aren't me).
    You seem to be a similar position to the young men who were eager to be sent to the trenches during the early years of WW1. Enthusiasm untempered by knowledge can be very dangerous.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,888

    You can drop the budget, but you need to have a finance bill each year.

    Otherwise income tax would expire.

    … hang on a sec… 😏

    Next you'll be saying the Napoleonic wars are over.
    Peace with France? WTF? Who did that!
    England and France agree to withdraw to the 1337 borders…
    Bring back Burgundy!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 53,423

    The problem is not the Budget.

    The problem is not the OBR.

    The problem is running permanent budget deficits in the hundreds of billions of pounds and then acting as if all is fine as some artificial rule is being met five years from now, then panicking when anything happens in the next year that throws that off kilter.

    If we were running balanced budgets, with deficits only for swings and roundabouts, countered by budget surpluses also as swings and roundabouts, then the OBR and the rest of the rules malarkey would be moot.

    An under-commented aspect of the budget is that much of the pain has been postponed until 2029. Which is when the election falls due. Maybe this is a betting opportunity, since Labour really can’t afford to be going to the polls in 2029 with its current budget plans; either they intend to go earlier, or those plans will be shredded before 2029 arrives?
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