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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,777

    Sky reporting 4 more prisoners are being sought by the police

    Details apparently to follow

    To be honest this is just going to be on repeat virtually everyday

    It has been going on regularly for some years. The media then got interested when a high profile case got released (and, for some outlets, he was an immigrant, so they were more eager to report on him). Now people getting mistakenly released has become the news story du jour.
    Another week, another Moral Panic.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,775

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The guy has lost it.

    He's in a world of his own; owning the libs is irrelevant when you're in charge and failing.

    Trump responds to a question about rising prices and affordability: “The reason why I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that it's far less expensive under Trump…Karoline, could you discuss that question that was asked and how it was asked in such a fake, disgusting manner by the fake news?”
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986864594371895648

    His mental decline should be the lead story, but nobody will report it
    Trump has replaced Biden's portrait in the Whitehouse with a photograph of an auto-pen. With what should the next Democratic President (it might be a while) replace Trump's portrait?
    How about just keeping his portrait and stopping the cycle of twattery, like the Dems removing all the “W’s” in the Whitehouse when Bush was elected. Crazy idea, be grown up, they’re only in charge of a huge nuclear arsenal and giant economy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,569
    edited November 7

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,344

    Sky reporting 4 more prisoners are being sought by the police

    Details apparently to follow

    To be honest this is just going to be on repeat virtually everyday

    It has been going on regularly for some years. The media then got interested when a high profile case got released (and, for some outlets, he was an immigrant, so they were more eager to report on him). Now people getting mistakenly released has become the news story du jour.
    Another week, another Moral Panic.
    I can almost remember when it was Mods on Scooters, or maybe Rockers on Nortons.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,019

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The guy has lost it.

    He's in a world of his own; owning the libs is irrelevant when you're in charge and failing.

    Trump responds to a question about rising prices and affordability: “The reason why I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that it's far less expensive under Trump…Karoline, could you discuss that question that was asked and how it was asked in such a fake, disgusting manner by the fake news?”
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986864594371895648

    His mental decline should be the lead story, but nobody will report it
    Trump has replaced Biden's portrait in the Whitehouse with a photograph of an auto-pen. With what should the next Democratic President (it might be a while) replace Trump's portrait?
    A baboon's arse.
    I expect a fraction more decorum from the next Democratic president.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,260

    Sky reporting 4 more prisoners are being sought by the police

    Details apparently to follow

    To be honest this is just going to be on repeat virtually everyday

    It has been going on regularly for some years. The media then got interested when a high profile case got released (and, for some outlets, he was an immigrant, so they were more eager to report on him). Now people getting mistakenly released has become the news story du jour.
    Another week, another Moral Panic.
    Or for the Labour government, another week, another morale panic.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,839
    The Euroarmy (OK, navy) at work: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv8137q060o

    "EU forces free crew after Somali pirate attack on tanker"

    It was actually Spanish forces, but they're operating as part of an EU operation.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,867
    Oh

    @schmutzie.com‬

    Here's the video of Sam Altman being subpoenaed on stage:

    https://bsky.app/profile/schmutzie.com/post/3m52xnzcdrk2o
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,745
    edited November 7
    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    Haven't the Green's parked their tanks all over Corbyn allotment now if Corbynism is your jam.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The guy has lost it.

    He's in a world of his own; owning the libs is irrelevant when you're in charge and failing.

    Trump responds to a question about rising prices and affordability: “The reason why I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that it's far less expensive under Trump…Karoline, could you discuss that question that was asked and how it was asked in such a fake, disgusting manner by the fake news?”
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986864594371895648

    His mental decline should be the lead story, but nobody will report it
    Trump has replaced Biden's portrait in the Whitehouse with a photograph of an auto-pen. With what should the next Democratic President (it might be a while) replace Trump's portrait?
    A baboon's arse.
    I expect a fraction more decorum from the next Democratic president.
    You may be waiting a long time for that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,019
    A nice piece of trolling, which ought to be good for TSE's trading bet.

    EXCLUSIVE: Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear blasts reports of JD Vance being the 2028 front runner… and praises MTG, who is reportedly considering a run.

    “At least they're speaking up. They're not letting a president simply run over them,” Beshear said at Crooked Con.

    https://x.com/mattberg33/status/1986808872091398297
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752
    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    They may well be completely wasting their time. Polanski has stolen a massive march on them if the Green membership surge is true.

    Corbyn? He was the future once.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,569
    edited November 7

    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    Haven't the Green's parked their tanks all over Corbyn allotment now?
    I need to see more of Zack Polanski, to try to understand why he seems to be the first person to capture some of the Corbynista fervour. I mean, it had to happen eventually, Corbyn is getting on up there unless he wants to run for the US Congress, but I know some people who are getting really excited by the Greens now. It all seems pretty bog standard to me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752
    boulay said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The guy has lost it.

    He's in a world of his own; owning the libs is irrelevant when you're in charge and failing.

    Trump responds to a question about rising prices and affordability: “The reason why I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that it's far less expensive under Trump…Karoline, could you discuss that question that was asked and how it was asked in such a fake, disgusting manner by the fake news?”
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986864594371895648

    His mental decline should be the lead story, but nobody will report it
    Trump has replaced Biden's portrait in the Whitehouse with a photograph of an auto-pen. With what should the next Democratic President (it might be a while) replace Trump's portrait?
    How about just keeping his portrait and stopping the cycle of twattery, like the Dems removing all the “W’s” in the Whitehouse when Bush was elected. Crazy idea, be grown up, they’re only in charge of a huge nuclear arsenal and giant economy.
    Do you mean all the 'w' on keyboards in the WH?

    I think the reality was it was about a dozen as a prank.

    Meanwhile, thanks to GOP, the entire Republic is falling into the abys.


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,879
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @maxpcohen

    Schumer is expected to lay out the Democratic proposal to end the shutdown, in a show of unity within the caucus

    More on the Dem offer:

    —Clean CR paired with 3-bill minibus
    —Clean one-year Obamacare extension
    —Establish bipartisan committee for long-term Obamacare negotiations

    Schumer says this is a reasonable offer

    Republicans are almost certain to reject it. One R just noted that all this does is force Congress to address it around the midterms next year

    Dream scenario for Dems to be able to talk about health care right before the elections

    https://x.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1986883625426547124

    The Republicans have a majority in both Houses of Congress, so I really don't understand why they can't pass legislation to raise the debt ceiling.
    Don't they need a supermajority of 60?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,513
    Scott_xP said:

    ‪Tragically I know the answer

    @marytylerless.bsky.social‬

    Madre de Dios. A Redditor just asked for help identifying this obscure object.

    https://bsky.app/profile/marytylerless.bsky.social/post/3m52ym5lhj22z

    "You must sign in to view this post"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,569

    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    Haven't the Green's parked their tanks all over Corbyn allotment now if Corbynism is your jam.
    Greens and tanks - I knew they had gone all militaristic when their 2024 manifesto said NATO had an important role and they supported mutual defence alliances.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,879
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    Haven't the Green's parked their tanks all over Corbyn allotment now?
    I need to see more of Zack Polanski, to try to understand why he seems to be the first person to capture some of the Corbynista fervour. I mean, it had to happen eventually, Corbyn is getting on up there unless he wants to run for the US Congress, but I know some people who are getting really excited by the Greens now. It all seems pretty bog standard to me.
    Polanski is on The Last Leg at 10 o'clock on C4.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,224
    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,569
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @maxpcohen

    Schumer is expected to lay out the Democratic proposal to end the shutdown, in a show of unity within the caucus

    More on the Dem offer:

    —Clean CR paired with 3-bill minibus
    —Clean one-year Obamacare extension
    —Establish bipartisan committee for long-term Obamacare negotiations

    Schumer says this is a reasonable offer

    Republicans are almost certain to reject it. One R just noted that all this does is force Congress to address it around the midterms next year

    Dream scenario for Dems to be able to talk about health care right before the elections

    https://x.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1986883625426547124

    The Republicans have a majority in both Houses of Congress, so I really don't understand why they can't pass legislation to raise the debt ceiling.
    Don't they need a supermajority of 60?
    Isn't that why Trump is banging on about the filibuster (which is not a real filibuster) process and how it should be gotten rid of so they can just pass everything with a majority?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,569
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    Haven't the Green's parked their tanks all over Corbyn allotment now?
    I need to see more of Zack Polanski, to try to understand why he seems to be the first person to capture some of the Corbynista fervour. I mean, it had to happen eventually, Corbyn is getting on up there unless he wants to run for the US Congress, but I know some people who are getting really excited by the Greens now. It all seems pretty bog standard to me.
    Polanski is on The Last Leg at 10 o'clock on C4.
    I don't need to see him that urgently.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,745
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    Haven't the Green's parked their tanks all over Corbyn allotment now?
    I need to see more of Zack Polanski, to try to understand why he seems to be the first person to capture some of the Corbynista fervour. I mean, it had to happen eventually, Corbyn is getting on up there unless he wants to run for the US Congress, but I know some people who are getting really excited by the Greens now. It all seems pretty bog standard to me.
    Polanski is on The Last Leg at 10 o'clock on C4.
    I wonder if his appearance will be an iconic as Jezza's?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,879
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    Haven't the Green's parked their tanks all over Corbyn allotment now?
    I need to see more of Zack Polanski, to try to understand why he seems to be the first person to capture some of the Corbynista fervour. I mean, it had to happen eventually, Corbyn is getting on up there unless he wants to run for the US Congress, but I know some people who are getting really excited by the Greens now. It all seems pretty bog standard to me.
    Polanski is on The Last Leg at 10 o'clock on C4.
    I don't need to see him that urgently.
    There's always catch up...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,839
    A Dem politician considering standing for Pelosi's seat has the wonderful name of London Breed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Breed
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752

    A Dem politician considering standing for Pelosi's seat has the wonderful name of London Breed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Breed

    Her brother is called Napoleon says Wikipedia.

    Is this a Martin Amis novel?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The guy has lost it.

    He's in a world of his own; owning the libs is irrelevant when you're in charge and failing.

    Trump responds to a question about rising prices and affordability: “The reason why I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that it's far less expensive under Trump…Karoline, could you discuss that question that was asked and how it was asked in such a fake, disgusting manner by the fake news?”
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986864594371895648

    His mental decline should be the lead story, but nobody will report it
    Trump has replaced Biden's portrait in the Whitehouse with a photograph of an auto-pen. With what should the next Democratic President (it might be a while) replace Trump's portrait?
    Keep Trump's portrait.

    As a warning from history.
    They should keep the ballroom.

    But never use it.

    The whole thing just left to decay as a warning about hubris.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,513

    A Dem politician considering standing for Pelosi's seat has the wonderful name of London Breed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Breed

    Her brother is called Napoleon says Wikipedia.

    Is this a Martin Amis novel?
    Napoleon Dynamite!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,019

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,970

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    I have only read the tweet, not the article, but my word…

    🚨 INVESTIGATION: The Telegraph has revealed a string of failures at Blackpool Victoria Hospital, including unlawful sedation.

    Nurse Catherine Hudson swapped vile messages with colleague Charlotte Wilmot, boasting of sedating an elderly patient “to within an inch of her life”.

    Read more ⬇️
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/0…

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1986504762913911005?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,495
    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
    Cyclefree is a lady
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,224
    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
    Style of explanation…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,019

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
    Cyclefree is a lady
    So you're saying that simply arguing with her would be "mansplaining" ?

    That's an unusually broad definition.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,867

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The guy has lost it.

    He's in a world of his own; owning the libs is irrelevant when you're in charge and failing.

    Trump responds to a question about rising prices and affordability: “The reason why I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that it's far less expensive under Trump…Karoline, could you discuss that question that was asked and how it was asked in such a fake, disgusting manner by the fake news?”
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986864594371895648

    His mental decline should be the lead story, but nobody will report it
    Trump has replaced Biden's portrait in the Whitehouse with a photograph of an auto-pen. With what should the next Democratic President (it might be a while) replace Trump's portrait?
    Keep Trump's portrait.

    As a warning from history.
    They should keep the ballroom.

    But never use it.

    The whole thing just left to decay as a warning about hubris.
    The ending of Passengers stylee
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,495

    A Dem politician considering standing for Pelosi's seat has the wonderful name of London Breed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Breed

    Her brother is called Napoleon says Wikipedia.

    Is this a Martin Amis novel?
    A Napoleon was US Navy Secretary and Attorney General https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Bonaparte?wprov=sfla1
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,745
    edited November 7
    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    I have only read the tweet, not the article, but my word…

    🚨 INVESTIGATION: The Telegraph has revealed a string of failures at Blackpool Victoria Hospital, including unlawful sedation.

    Nurse Catherine Hudson swapped vile messages with colleague Charlotte Wilmot, boasting of sedating an elderly patient “to within an inch of her life”.

    Read more ⬇️
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/0…

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1986504762913911005?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    A weeks-long Telegraph investigation has uncovered a litany of failures at Blackpool Victoria:

    Eight other deaths on the stroke ward in 2018 are being investigated,
    “Corrupt” nurses were jailed for drugging patients to keep them compliant,
    Powerful medicines went missing,
    A heart surgeon was imprisoned for groping the breasts and bottoms of female colleagues,
    Doctors shared sexist jokes in WhatsApp groups called “cardiac sluts” and “work slags”.

    With no one held accountable for the deaths and a police investigation into corporate failings at the stroke unit still ongoing after two years, the families of several victims told The Telegraph that only a public inquiry could answer their questions.

    Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said the hospital’s failings were “abhorrent” and had no place in the NHS. He also suggested that the lives lost in Blackpool were a “stain on our nation” and a neglect of those most in need.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,019

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
    Style of explanation…
    Sorry to push the point, as it's of considerably less importance than the topic itself, but threadbare argument isn't mansplaining.
    Though the two things will overlap.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,277

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    Not a new thing. Back a bit there was a scandal when hospital patients were found to be drinking the water from the flower vases. They made sure that wouldn't happen again by forbidding flowers in wards.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,839
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
    Style of explanation…
    Sorry to push the point, as it's of considerably less importance than the topic itself, but threadbare argument isn't mansplaining.
    Though the two things will overlap.
    I think Malmesbury was mansplaining the existence of mansplaining to Cyclefree…?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,483

    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    I have only read the tweet, not the article, but my word…

    🚨 INVESTIGATION: The Telegraph has revealed a string of failures at Blackpool Victoria Hospital, including unlawful sedation.

    Nurse Catherine Hudson swapped vile messages with colleague Charlotte Wilmot, boasting of sedating an elderly patient “to within an inch of her life”.

    Read more ⬇️
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/0…

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1986504762913911005?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    A weeks-long Telegraph investigation has uncovered a litany of failures at Blackpool Victoria:

    Eight other deaths on the stroke ward in 2018 are being investigated,
    “Corrupt” nurses were jailed for drugging patients to keep them compliant,
    Powerful medicines went missing,
    A heart surgeon was imprisoned for groping the breasts and bottoms of female colleagues,
    Doctors shared sexist jokes in WhatsApp groups called “cardiac sluts” and “work slags”.

    With no one held accountable for the deaths and a police investigation into corporate failings at the stroke unit still ongoing after two years, the families of several victims told The Telegraph that only a public inquiry could answer their questions.

    Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said the hospital’s failings were “abhorrent” and had no place in the NHS. He also suggested that the lives lost in Blackpool were a “stain on our nation” and a neglect of those most in need.
    The really shocking thing is that I'm not in the least bit shocked.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,879

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
    Style of explanation…
    Sorry to push the point, as it's of considerably less importance than the topic itself, but threadbare argument isn't mansplaining.
    Though the two things will overlap.
    I think Malmesbury was mansplaining the existence of mansplaining to Cyclefree…?
    Are you mansplaing how Malmesbury was mansplaining mansplaining?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,839
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
    Style of explanation…
    Sorry to push the point, as it's of considerably less importance than the topic itself, but threadbare argument isn't mansplaining.
    Though the two things will overlap.
    I think Malmesbury was mansplaining the existence of mansplaining to Cyclefree…?
    Are you mansplaing how Malmesbury was mansplaining mansplaining?
    No. I’m talking to another man, so I can’t be mansplaining. Phew!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,383
    Feeling a bit sorry for Sebastian Payne on Newsnight because his hair seems to have turned grey at the age of 36, lol.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,929
    edited November 7
    A man explaining something to a woman that she already understands at least as well as he does. That's what 'mansplaining' means to me.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,951

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    The guy has lost it.

    He's in a world of his own; owning the libs is irrelevant when you're in charge and failing.

    Trump responds to a question about rising prices and affordability: “The reason why I don't want to talk about affordability is because everybody knows that it's far less expensive under Trump…Karoline, could you discuss that question that was asked and how it was asked in such a fake, disgusting manner by the fake news?”
    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986864594371895648

    His mental decline should be the lead story, but nobody will report it
    Trump has replaced Biden's portrait in the Whitehouse with a photograph of an auto-pen. With what should the next Democratic President (it might be a while) replace Trump's portrait?
    A very small, very orange fungus.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,671
    Andy_JS said:

    Feeling a bit sorry for Sebastian Payne on Newsnight because his hair seems to have turned grey at the age of 36, lol.

    Me too! I'm like Steve Martin without all that Genius baggage.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,839
    carnforth said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Feeling a bit sorry for Sebastian Payne on Newsnight because his hair seems to have turned grey at the age of 36, lol.

    Me too! I'm like Steve Martin without all that Genius baggage.
    I still look a decade younger than I am. It can be dashed inconvenient.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,019
    AnneJGP said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.

    Not a new thing. Back a bit there was a scandal when hospital patients were found to be drinking the water from the flower vases. They made sure that wouldn't happen again by forbidding flowers in wards.
    Very much the same story with the majority of the wards my father found himself on in the last decade or so of his life.
    There were exceptions, but the rule was either indifference or outright neglect.

    When he was hospitalised with bacteraemia for a couple of months, he simply would not have survived had we not visited him daily to ensure adequate nutrition and treatment.

    Some others on the ward didn't.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,839
    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.

    Not a new thing. Back a bit there was a scandal when hospital patients were found to be drinking the water from the flower vases. They made sure that wouldn't happen again by forbidding flowers in wards.
    Very much the same story with the majority of the wards my father found himself on in the last decade or so of his life.
    There were exceptions, but the rule was either indifference or outright neglect.

    When he was hospitalised with bacteraemia for a couple of months, he simply would not have survived had we not visited him daily to ensure adequate nutrition and treatment.

    Some others on the ward didn't.
    My Mum in her final weeks had mostly good hospital care, but not always perfect. (My dad and first stepmother died at home, the second stepmother in a home, and all in the US.) My aunt, despite much ill health, continues on and receives excellent care as an outpatient.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,019

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.

    Not a new thing. Back a bit there was a scandal when hospital patients were found to be drinking the water from the flower vases. They made sure that wouldn't happen again by forbidding flowers in wards.
    Very much the same story with the majority of the wards my father found himself on in the last decade or so of his life.
    There were exceptions, but the rule was either indifference or outright neglect.

    When he was hospitalised with bacteraemia for a couple of months, he simply would not have survived had we not visited him daily to ensure adequate nutrition and treatment.

    Some others on the ward didn't.
    My Mum in her final weeks had mostly good hospital care, but not always perfect. (My dad and first stepmother died at home, the second stepmother in a home, and all in the US.) My aunt, despite much ill health, continues on and receives excellent care as an outpatient.
    My dad lived for quite a long time with dementia, and had various other health episodes, so I got a fair amount of experience.

    Elderly patients who don't for whatever reason get visited by family tend also to get neglected by the staff.
  • "The Presidents brain is missing!!

    . . .

    "Oh . . . "
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,263
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Stand-off over £800,000 Your Party membership fees
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wvqk22epyo

    YourParty is going to crash and burn isn't it.

    First line is telling about how it is Corbyn's party just with money raised by Sultana.

    I think enough people want something like it that it won't entirely implode, but creating and running a party is hard, especially when being intractable is a core principle - ideology is one of those things which is necessary in a movement, but you can have way too much of it.
    Haven't the Green's parked their tanks all over Corbyn allotment now?
    I need to see more of Zack Polanski, to try to understand why he seems to be the first person to capture some of the Corbynista fervour. I mean, it had to happen eventually, Corbyn is getting on up there unless he wants to run for the US Congress, but I know some people who are getting really excited by the Greens now. It all seems pretty bog standard to me.
    I'm just impressed that he's managed to make his own path.
  • "I'm sure there is a spare battery somewhere. . . "
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,263
    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    Setting aside the merits or otherwise of the assisted dying argument, why would that be mansplaining ?
    A lot of women don't know what mansplaining means. And I want everyone to know that I'm happy to educate them.

    (And yes, that was a joke.)
  • isamisam Posts: 42,970
    Just watching ‘Annie Lennox at the BBC’ on BBC4. She’s singing ‘Love Song For A Vampire’ and looking just like Bridget Phillipson

    https://youtu.be/eR6eS3oi0GA?si=K8j7i_sCComz1Dpe
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,344
    edited November 7
    The Madre de Deus appeared at the beginning of David Olusaga's Empire on bbc tv this evening

    edit: late comment on something earlier
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.

    Not a new thing. Back a bit there was a scandal when hospital patients were found to be drinking the water from the flower vases. They made sure that wouldn't happen again by forbidding flowers in wards.
    Very much the same story with the majority of the wards my father found himself on in the last decade or so of his life.
    There were exceptions, but the rule was either indifference or outright neglect.

    When he was hospitalised with bacteraemia for a couple of months, he simply would not have survived had we not visited him daily to ensure adequate nutrition and treatment.

    Some others on the ward didn't.
    My Mum in her final weeks had mostly good hospital care, but not always perfect. (My dad and first stepmother died at home, the second stepmother in a home, and all in the US.) My aunt, despite much ill health, continues on and receives excellent care as an outpatient.
    How much of this is down to nurses no longer being 'nurses' with a basic vocation to just care on a basic level whereas now they are expected to be degree-level tick box merchants?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,263

    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    I have only read the tweet, not the article, but my word…

    🚨 INVESTIGATION: The Telegraph has revealed a string of failures at Blackpool Victoria Hospital, including unlawful sedation.

    Nurse Catherine Hudson swapped vile messages with colleague Charlotte Wilmot, boasting of sedating an elderly patient “to within an inch of her life”.

    Read more ⬇️
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/0…

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1986504762913911005?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    A weeks-long Telegraph investigation has uncovered a litany of failures at Blackpool Victoria:

    Eight other deaths on the stroke ward in 2018 are being investigated,
    “Corrupt” nurses were jailed for drugging patients to keep them compliant,
    Powerful medicines went missing,
    A heart surgeon was imprisoned for groping the breasts and bottoms of female colleagues,
    Doctors shared sexist jokes in WhatsApp groups called “cardiac sluts” and “work slags”.

    With no one held accountable for the deaths and a police investigation into corporate failings at the stroke unit still ongoing after two years, the families of several victims told The Telegraph that only a public inquiry could answer their questions.

    Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said the hospital’s failings were “abhorrent” and had no place in the NHS. He also suggested that the lives lost in Blackpool were a “stain on our nation” and a neglect of those most in need.
    The really shocking thing is that I'm not in the least bit shocked.
    I am.

    They actually jailed nurses.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,879
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    I have only read the tweet, not the article, but my word…

    🚨 INVESTIGATION: The Telegraph has revealed a string of failures at Blackpool Victoria Hospital, including unlawful sedation.

    Nurse Catherine Hudson swapped vile messages with colleague Charlotte Wilmot, boasting of sedating an elderly patient “to within an inch of her life”.

    Read more ⬇️
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/0…

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1986504762913911005?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    A weeks-long Telegraph investigation has uncovered a litany of failures at Blackpool Victoria:

    Eight other deaths on the stroke ward in 2018 are being investigated,
    “Corrupt” nurses were jailed for drugging patients to keep them compliant,
    Powerful medicines went missing,
    A heart surgeon was imprisoned for groping the breasts and bottoms of female colleagues,
    Doctors shared sexist jokes in WhatsApp groups called “cardiac sluts” and “work slags”.

    With no one held accountable for the deaths and a police investigation into corporate failings at the stroke unit still ongoing after two years, the families of several victims told The Telegraph that only a public inquiry could answer their questions.

    Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said the hospital’s failings were “abhorrent” and had no place in the NHS. He also suggested that the lives lost in Blackpool were a “stain on our nation” and a neglect of those most in need.
    The really shocking thing is that I'm not in the least bit shocked.
    I am.

    They actually jailed nurses.
    Perhaps Lucy Letby isn't the only one then.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,263
    At LAX:



    Unfortunately, due to Transportation Secretary ordering a 10% reduction in the number of flights, it is increasingly difficult to self deport.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,200
    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Absolutely agree with this. My Gran was in hospital after a fall earlier this year and the treatment she received ranged from indifferent to neglectful. Even with four well educated daughters constantly at her side trying to get answers about her care and treatment was next to impossible. It made her feel very depressed and I have no doubt that if she was offered the option of assisted dying she would have said yes to stop feeling like a burden.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752
    rcs1000 said:

    At LAX:



    Unfortunately, due to Transportation Secretary ordering a 10% reduction in the number of flights, it is increasingly difficult to self deport.

    $1000 ?

    Yippee do wee.

    Who could turn that down?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    Scott_xP said:

    Oh

    @schmutzie.com‬

    Here's the video of Sam Altman being subpoenaed on stage:

    https://bsky.app/profile/schmutzie.com/post/3m52xnzcdrk2o

    Why has he been subpoenaed?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    I have only read the tweet, not the article, but my word…

    🚨 INVESTIGATION: The Telegraph has revealed a string of failures at Blackpool Victoria Hospital, including unlawful sedation.

    Nurse Catherine Hudson swapped vile messages with colleague Charlotte Wilmot, boasting of sedating an elderly patient “to within an inch of her life”.

    Read more ⬇️
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/0…

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1986504762913911005?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    A weeks-long Telegraph investigation has uncovered a litany of failures at Blackpool Victoria:

    Eight other deaths on the stroke ward in 2018 are being investigated,
    “Corrupt” nurses were jailed for drugging patients to keep them compliant,
    Powerful medicines went missing,
    A heart surgeon was imprisoned for groping the breasts and bottoms of female colleagues,
    Doctors shared sexist jokes in WhatsApp groups called “cardiac sluts” and “work slags”.

    With no one held accountable for the deaths and a police investigation into corporate failings at the stroke unit still ongoing after two years, the families of several victims told The Telegraph that only a public inquiry could answer their questions.

    Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said the hospital’s failings were “abhorrent” and had no place in the NHS. He also suggested that the lives lost in Blackpool were a “stain on our nation” and a neglect of those most in need.
    The really shocking thing is that I'm not in the least bit shocked.
    I am.

    They actually jailed nurses.
    Perhaps Lucy Letby isn't the only one then.
    The one who was sedating patients got 7 years
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,879
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.

    Not a new thing. Back a bit there was a scandal when hospital patients were found to be drinking the water from the flower vases. They made sure that wouldn't happen again by forbidding flowers in wards.
    Very much the same story with the majority of the wards my father found himself on in the last decade or so of his life.
    There were exceptions, but the rule was either indifference or outright neglect.

    When he was hospitalised with bacteraemia for a couple of months, he simply would not have survived had we not visited him daily to ensure adequate nutrition and treatment.

    Some others on the ward didn't.
    My Mum in her final weeks had mostly good hospital care, but not always perfect. (My dad and first stepmother died at home, the second stepmother in a home, and all in the US.) My aunt, despite much ill health, continues on and receives excellent care as an outpatient.
    My dad lived for quite a long time with dementia, and had various other health episodes, so I got a fair amount of experience.

    Elderly patients who don't for whatever reason get visited by family tend also to get neglected by the staff.
    That isn't always true, but regular visitors are good for patient morale as well as for keeping up care standards.

    Bad care can get normalised very quickly. It is a feature of institutionalisation.

    This review article looks at problems of neglect in different care systems in UK, North America, Continental Europe and Scandanavia and South Africa.

    https://bmchealthservres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1472-6963-13-156

  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,915
    Caption competition. Spoken by the Orange person direct to camera.

    "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590

    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    I have only read the tweet, not the article, but my word…

    🚨 INVESTIGATION: The Telegraph has revealed a string of failures at Blackpool Victoria Hospital, including unlawful sedation.

    Nurse Catherine Hudson swapped vile messages with colleague Charlotte Wilmot, boasting of sedating an elderly patient “to within an inch of her life”.

    Read more ⬇️
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/0…

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1986504762913911005?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    A weeks-long Telegraph investigation has uncovered a litany of failures at Blackpool Victoria:

    Eight other deaths on the stroke ward in 2018 are being investigated,
    “Corrupt” nurses were jailed for drugging patients to keep them compliant,
    Powerful medicines went missing,
    A heart surgeon was imprisoned for groping the breasts and bottoms of female colleagues,
    Doctors shared sexist jokes in WhatsApp groups called “cardiac sluts” and “work slags”.

    With no one held accountable for the deaths and a police investigation into corporate failings at the stroke unit still ongoing after two years, the families of several victims told The Telegraph that only a public inquiry could answer their questions.

    Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said the hospital’s failings were “abhorrent” and had no place in the NHS. He also suggested that the lives lost in Blackpool were a “stain on our nation” and a neglect of those most in need.
    For all those of you discussing Blackpool Victoria Hospital, this has been going on for several years. See

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q="Blackpool+Victoria+Hospital"
    https://www.google.com/search?q="Blackpool+Victoria+Hospital"&tbm=nws&source=lnms
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752
    Trump: "The Dems are good at a few things: cheating on elections and conning people with facts that aren't true"

    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986862569202520167



    Every fucking time. Projection.

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,573
    viewcode said:

    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.



    I have only read the tweet, not the article, but my word…

    🚨 INVESTIGATION: The Telegraph has revealed a string of failures at Blackpool Victoria Hospital, including unlawful sedation.

    Nurse Catherine Hudson swapped vile messages with colleague Charlotte Wilmot, boasting of sedating an elderly patient “to within an inch of her life”.

    Read more ⬇️
    telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/0…

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/1986504762913911005?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    A weeks-long Telegraph investigation has uncovered a litany of failures at Blackpool Victoria:

    Eight other deaths on the stroke ward in 2018 are being investigated,
    “Corrupt” nurses were jailed for drugging patients to keep them compliant,
    Powerful medicines went missing,
    A heart surgeon was imprisoned for groping the breasts and bottoms of female colleagues,
    Doctors shared sexist jokes in WhatsApp groups called “cardiac sluts” and “work slags”.

    With no one held accountable for the deaths and a police investigation into corporate failings at the stroke unit still ongoing after two years, the families of several victims told The Telegraph that only a public inquiry could answer their questions.

    Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said the hospital’s failings were “abhorrent” and had no place in the NHS. He also suggested that the lives lost in Blackpool were a “stain on our nation” and a neglect of those most in need.
    For all those of you discussing Blackpool Victoria Hospital, this has been going on for several years. See

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q="Blackpool+Victoria+Hospital"
    https://www.google.com/search?q="Blackpool+Victoria+Hospital"&tbm=nws&source=lnms
    I remember going to visit a friend who'd been admitted for depression. All the people on the ward just referred to the 'medication shuffle'. Big queue, hobble along, get some tablets shoved down your throat, OPEN!, to check you'd swallowed them, then back to bed.

    Repeat - until discharged, or death or suicide.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 56,513
    rcs1000 said:

    At LAX:



    Unfortunately, due to Transportation Secretary ordering a 10% reduction in the number of flights, it is increasingly difficult to self deport.

    [Terminator voice] "I cannot self-deport. You must help me."
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,573
    isam said:

    Just watching ‘Annie Lennox at the BBC’ on BBC4. She’s singing ‘Love Song For A Vampire’ and looking just like Bridget Phillipson

    https://youtu.be/eR6eS3oi0GA?si=K8j7i_sCComz1Dpe

    I came across this live version of Sweet Dreams a while back :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7COyixiQh1U

    She does the Elvis look pretty well.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,752
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.

    Not a new thing. Back a bit there was a scandal when hospital patients were found to be drinking the water from the flower vases. They made sure that wouldn't happen again by forbidding flowers in wards.
    Very much the same story with the majority of the wards my father found himself on in the last decade or so of his life.
    There were exceptions, but the rule was either indifference or outright neglect.

    When he was hospitalised with bacteraemia for a couple of months, he simply would not have survived had we not visited him daily to ensure adequate nutrition and treatment.

    Some others on the ward didn't.
    My Mum in her final weeks had mostly good hospital care, but not always perfect. (My dad and first stepmother died at home, the second stepmother in a home, and all in the US.) My aunt, despite much ill health, continues on and receives excellent care as an outpatient.
    My dad lived for quite a long time with dementia, and had various other health episodes, so I got a fair amount of experience.

    Elderly patients who don't for whatever reason get visited by family tend also to get neglected by the staff.
    That isn't always true, but regular visitors are good for patient morale as well as for keeping up care standards.

    Bad care can get normalised very quickly. It is a feature of institutionalisation.

    This review article looks at problems of neglect in different care systems in UK, North America, Continental Europe and Scandanavia and South Africa.

    https://bmchealthservres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1472-6963-13-156

    Have you read 'What is a Doctor' by Phil Whitaker?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    edited 12:02AM
    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    edited 12:22AM
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...it could eat thru the hull..."
    "...don't get any on your arm..."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,224

    Nigelb said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @TOPPING (fpt)

    "Let me help. Most of them - units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication.

    I challenge everyone on PB to ask 10 friends about treatment an elderly relative has received at the hands of the NHS and a significant proportion of them will have shocking stories. But of course the ones that have received great care (and of course plenty do) will write letters, call phone-in programmes and bang saucepans to say how marvellous the NHS is.
    "

    And into this system the government proposes to introduce an AD law which will create an obvious, glaring and gigantic conflict of interest and multiple opportunities (pressures even) for its staff to "suggest" or "coerce" (because who will find out - all effective external scrutiny having been removed) such people into suicide to save money for the NHS. For those who think I am exaggerating listen to the answers Stephen Kinnock, the Palliative Care Minister, has been giving to the House of Lords Committee this week. As well as lying about what the Equality Impact Assessment said, his answers are utterly chilling in their lack of humanity for precisely the people @TOPPING is describing and, indeed, people like me with a terminal illness.

    Don’t worry.

    Some men will be along shortly, to mansplain that the actual things that have happened in Canada and the Netherlands can’t happen.

    I could try anger. But I just smiled at the doctors who were dehydrating my father. And politely asked them to put him on a drip for the eleventh time.
    "units dealing with elderly patients - are fucking useless. Because actually, they don't really care whether the elderly patient survives or not. Not really. Of course there are individuals who are great in the NHS but institutionally perhaps because there is precious little accountability (and then only when something "obvious" has gone wrong), it doesn't matter if your 85-yr old aunt lives or dies. Or is neglected. Or isn't fed properly. Or whose bed isn't changed regularly. Or who is or isn't given the correct medication."

    And the end of the day though why is this up to the institution? Individual nurses deal with individual patients. If they can't be fucking arsed to hydrate them as seems to be often the case these days then they are morally responsible as human beings imho.

    Not a new thing. Back a bit there was a scandal when hospital patients were found to be drinking the water from the flower vases. They made sure that wouldn't happen again by forbidding flowers in wards.
    Very much the same story with the majority of the wards my father found himself on in the last decade or so of his life.
    There were exceptions, but the rule was either indifference or outright neglect.

    When he was hospitalised with bacteraemia for a couple of months, he simply would not have survived had we not visited him daily to ensure adequate nutrition and treatment.

    Some others on the ward didn't.
    My Mum in her final weeks had mostly good hospital care, but not always perfect. (My dad and first stepmother died at home, the second stepmother in a home, and all in the US.) My aunt, despite much ill health, continues on and receives excellent care as an outpatient.
    How much of this is down to nurses no longer being 'nurses' with a basic vocation to just care on a basic level whereas now they are expected to be degree-level tick box merchants?
    My father had a whole collection of specialists wander by - never the same twice, it seemed. All were somewhat unclear on why not give an obviously dehydrating patient a drip.

    It took two days - until a carefully worded communication was sent to the head of the trust.

    Then suddenly the whole cast appeared, including two Big Consultants. They ran out of chairs in the ward… Guess what dad was on, within minutes?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,224
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Oh

    @schmutzie.com‬

    Here's the video of Sam Altman being subpoenaed on stage:

    https://bsky.app/profile/schmutzie.com/post/3m52xnzcdrk2o

    Why has he been subpoenaed?
    AI companies have been… borrowing online content to train their systems.

    The legality of the… borrowing is rather contentious.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,907

    rcs1000 said:

    At LAX:



    Unfortunately, due to Transportation Secretary ordering a 10% reduction in the number of flights, it is increasingly difficult to self deport.

    $1000 ?

    Yippee do wee.

    Who could turn that down?
    Depends where you are going.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
    "...GET OUT OF THE WAY, LAMBERT. GET OUT OF THE WAY..."
    "...i can't..."
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
    "...GET OUT OF THE WAY, LAMBERT. GET OUT OF THE WAY..."
    "...i can't..."
    "Danger. The Emergency Destruct System is now activated..."
    "...The ship will detonate in t-minus 10 minutes...
    ...The option to override will expire in t-minus five minutes..."
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
    "...GET OUT OF THE WAY, LAMBERT. GET OUT OF THE WAY..."
    "...i can't..."
    "Danger. The Emergency Destruct System is now activated..."
    "...The ship will detonate in t-minus 10 minutes...
    ...The option to override will expire in t-minus five minutes..."
    "...MOTHER. TURN THE COOLING UNITS BACK ON..."
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
    "...GET OUT OF THE WAY, LAMBERT. GET OUT OF THE WAY..."
    "...i can't..."
    "Danger. The Emergency Destruct System is now activated..."
    "...The ship will detonate in t-minus 10 minutes...
    ...The option to override will expire in t-minus five minutes..."
    "...MOTHER. TURN THE COOLING UNITS BACK ON..."
    (...running, flashing sirens, smoke everywhere, sirens, strobe lighting, panicked breathing...)
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
    "...GET OUT OF THE WAY, LAMBERT. GET OUT OF THE WAY..."
    "...i can't..."
    "Danger. The Emergency Destruct System is now activated..."
    "...The ship will detonate in t-minus 10 minutes...
    ...The option to override will expire in t-minus five minutes..."
    "...MOTHER. TURN THE COOLING UNITS BACK ON..."
    (...running, flashing sirens, smoke everywhere, sirens, strobe lighting, panicked breathing...)
    "...you now have one minute to abandon ship. The ship will automatically self destruct in one minute..."
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
    "...GET OUT OF THE WAY, LAMBERT. GET OUT OF THE WAY..."
    "...i can't..."
    "Danger. The Emergency Destruct System is now activated..."
    "...The ship will detonate in t-minus 10 minutes...
    ...The option to override will expire in t-minus five minutes..."
    "...MOTHER. TURN THE COOLING UNITS BACK ON..."
    (...running, flashing sirens, smoke everywhere, sirens, strobe lighting, panicked breathing...)
    "...you now have one minute to abandon ship. The ship will automatically self destruct in one minute..."
    "...Ten. Nine. Eight. Seven. Six. Five. Four. Three. Two. One..."
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
    "...GET OUT OF THE WAY, LAMBERT. GET OUT OF THE WAY..."
    "...i can't..."
    "Danger. The Emergency Destruct System is now activated..."
    "...The ship will detonate in t-minus 10 minutes...
    ...The option to override will expire in t-minus five minutes..."
    "...MOTHER. TURN THE COOLING UNITS BACK ON..."
    (...running, flashing sirens, smoke everywhere, sirens, strobe lighting, panicked breathing...)
    "...you now have one minute to abandon ship. The ship will automatically self destruct in one minute..."
    "...Ten. Nine. Eight. Seven. Six. Five. Four. Three. Two. One..."
    "....you are my lucky star. you are my lucky star..."
    "....lucky, lucky, lucky, star..."
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    "Alien" on iPlayer expires in about two hours time, so slap it on if you want to see one of the few of my favourite films not disfigured by a Director's Cut. Oh OK, yes there is one, but IIUC the BBC is the 1979 original cut.

    They've just clambered onto the space jockey podium. The shot is fun when you know the spacesuits are smaller and worn by children to make the scale larger
    "...eggs, or something..."
    "...wait a minute...there's movement..."
    "...It seems to have life. Organic life..."
    "...inner hatch open..."
    "...I think you should have a look at Kane..."
    "...where's it gone?..."
    "...DON'T TOUCH IT! DON'T TOUCH IT!..."
    "...I've designed this tracking device. It detects moving objects..."
    "...come on Jonesey. Here kitty, here kitty..."
    "...hiss..."
    "...what are my chances?..."
    "...does not compute..."
    "...It's moving right towards you..."
    "Um"
    "...Move Dallas, move. GET OUT OF THERE..."
    "...All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable..."
    "...How do we kill it Ash..."
    "...You don't..."
    "...You don't know what you're dealing with. The perfect organism"
    "...You admire it..."
    "...I admire its purity..."
    "...GET OUT OF THE WAY, LAMBERT. GET OUT OF THE WAY..."
    "...i can't..."
    "Danger. The Emergency Destruct System is now activated..."
    "...The ship will detonate in t-minus 10 minutes...
    ...The option to override will expire in t-minus five minutes..."
    "...MOTHER. TURN THE COOLING UNITS BACK ON..."
    (...running, flashing sirens, smoke everywhere, sirens, strobe lighting, panicked breathing...)
    "...you now have one minute to abandon ship. The ship will automatically self destruct in one minute..."
    "...Ten. Nine. Eight. Seven. Six. Five. Four. Three. Two. One..."
    "....you are my lucky star. you are my lucky star..."
    "....lucky, lucky, lucky, star..."
    "...This is Ripley. last survivor of the Nostromo. Signing off..."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,590
    And there you go. The perfect film. No futzing around with reinserted deleted scenes. The shot with the Alien hanging from chains was omitted (or I missed it, or it's in another cut) but not a shot wasted, nothing you could easily remove, lovely. I'll do some work for about the next 30-60 mins then go beddy-byes. Sweet dreams, children

  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,944
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    At LAX:



    Unfortunately, due to Transportation Secretary ordering a 10% reduction in the number of flights, it is increasingly difficult to self deport.

    So wait. I'm in the US now. Does that mean if I stay until my permission expires and then use their app I can pocket a grand tax free AND get a free flight home?
  • TazTaz Posts: 22,023
    Fishing said:

    rcs1000 said:

    At LAX:



    Unfortunately, due to Transportation Secretary ordering a 10% reduction in the number of flights, it is increasingly difficult to self deport.

    So wait. I'm in the US now. Does that mean if I stay until my permission expires and then use their app I can pocket a grand tax free AND get a free flight home?
    Doubt you’d get a first class trip,back, old chap,
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